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Title: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Glitch Girl on May 09, 2008, 06:29:08 AM
Figured since it was finally back in production, there should be a new thread for the eventual rumor mill.

Tidbit of news I spotted this morning...
Speedy new character debuts on new season of NBC's `Heroes'  (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_en_tv/tv_heroes;_ylt=Amg3jeVwLEnBsFjDNVDYuvNxFb8C)

QuoteMeet Daphne, the speedy new character on NBC's "Heroes," who plans to give the show's superhumans — especially time traveler Hiro and his sidekick, Ando — a run for their money when she debuts on the popular NBC series' upcoming third season, which went back into production last week.

Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 09, 2008, 07:12:41 AM
Nice!  A superspeedster, and a foil for Hiro, both of which I approve of.

That's actually a pretty good power to him up against.  Someone who could potentially move faster than he can freeze time.  He he.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on May 09, 2008, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 09, 2008, 07:12:41 AM
Nice!  A superspeedster, and a foil for Hiro, both of which I approve of.

That's actually a pretty good power to him up against.  Someone who could potentially move faster than he can freeze time.  He he.

Does he stop time or slow it down really really slow? Because it it's the first, they'll have to find some new reason why he won't use his full potential. Either way, I'm so incredibly giddy about Heroes coming back!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 09, 2008, 07:48:25 AM
Remember, it takes him a bit of time to actually make the decision and active his powers to freeze time.  Even if it's only a fraction of a second, that's all a super speedster might need.

EDIT:  Hmm, apparently, season 3 sees the return of "Save the cheerleader, save the world."
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Conduit on May 09, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
Yeah, Hiro has to do that "scrunchy face" thing and concentrate really hard to stop time.  Even for Future Hiro, that took a few seconds.  More than enough time for a super speedster to get him.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 09, 2008, 07:48:25 AM
EDIT:  Hmm, apparently, season 3 sees the return of "Save the cheerleader, save the world."

Really?  Didn't they do this a little in season 2 too?  It's getting a bit tired at this point.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Protomorph on May 11, 2008, 04:30:48 PM
I heard that the new season is dealing more with villains than heroes.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 11, 2008, 06:06:20 PM
Well, it does have to do with a whole bunch of villains coming on the scene, but that doesn't mean the focus will leave the main heroes.  It just means there will be more adversaries.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: JeyNyce on May 12, 2008, 06:08:19 AM
The promo:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=7188
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on May 12, 2008, 07:27:39 AM
That was spectacularly uninformative, other than that the season premiere would be 3 hours (though I'd bet money they're going to cheat- 1 hour recap special and normal 2 hour premiere)
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on May 12, 2008, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: bredon7777 on May 12, 2008, 07:27:39 AM
That was spectacularly uninformative, other than that the season premiere would be 3 hours (though I'd bet money they're going to cheat- 1 hour recap special and normal 2 hour premiere)

30 minute recap, 1 hour of new stuff, 1.5 hours of "limited commercial interruption" brought to you by ONE commercial!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 12, 2008, 10:23:36 AM
According to wikipedia, it is going to be a 1 hour recap followed by two hours of newness.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: JeyNyce on May 12, 2008, 10:47:01 AM
What's wrong with a 1-hour recap?  It's been so long I wouldn't mind a recap of some of the stuff that went on last season.  It would have been wrong to have a 2 hour show with a 1 hour recap.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on May 12, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
ok, I want to go on the record with a few predictions (especially after seeing the promo)

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Outcast on May 13, 2008, 03:36:04 AM
Quote from: Conduit on May 09, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
Yeah, Hiro has to do that "scrunchy face" thing and concentrate really hard to stop time.  Even for Future Hiro, that took a few seconds.  More than enough time for a super speedster to get him.

It's funny you mentioned Hiro's "scrunchy face" thing, it reminded me of this old video i saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVV2ft4-2xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVV2ft4-2xk).
Anyways, I was under the impression that by the end of season 2, Hiro has somewhat mastered stopping time and teleporting in just a blink of an eye (or in some cases Ando's eye). So i think a speedster would have a hard time being Hiro's rival. Unless of course Hiro is taken by surprise. That's how Adam did it.  Or if Hiro would to charge recklessly with his sword like he did with Peter. :P
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 13, 2008, 06:44:26 AM
Oh he's quicker, but it still takes time.  Besides, even a blink of an eye is plenty of time for a speedster.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Conduit on May 13, 2008, 01:05:01 PM
Yeah, he has gotten quicker at it, especially teleporting.  If I remember right, he usually takes about a second to teleport near the end of season 2, whereas it took him several seconds in early Season 1.  He didn't stop time as often in Season 2, but I believe it took a similar amount of time.  The point still stands, though.  The article describes her covering hundreds of feet in the time it takes Hiro to stop time.

[spoiler]
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on May 12, 2008, 05:09:00 PM

  • There is talk that the "big crisis" this season will come from "outside The Company".  I wager that before all is said and done that certain members of "The Company" will be working with the "good guys".

I remember reading that spoiler a while back.  Judging from when it was released and the way it was worded (something like "we will know about the big disaster that the heroes have to prevent at the beginning of Volume 3 and it will involve something other than the Company this time"), I think it might have been referring to the virus outbreak that was planned to happen in Volume 3 before the writer's strike.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Outcast on May 17, 2008, 07:03:04 PM
Quote from: Conduit on May 13, 2008, 01:05:01 PM
Yeah, he has gotten quicker at it, especially teleporting.  If I remember right, he usually takes about a second to teleport near the end of season 2, whereas it took him several seconds in early Season 1.  He didn't stop time as often in Season 2, but I believe it took a similar amount of time.  The point still stands, though.  The article describes her covering hundreds of feet in the time it takes Hiro to stop time.

Then i guess it's just a matter of who gets the jump on who. :P It'd be interesting to see what kind of fight scenes the writers would come up for them in the show. Any ideas? I have this funny idea that whenever Hiro decides to stop time, he'd be suprise to see his rival just an inch away to punching his lights out. :P

Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on May 12, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
[spoiler]

  • Although Nathan will be back for Season 3, he will die by the end of the season for good before the season is over.

It would be good to see Nathan back for Season 3. Although i thought they decided to kill him at the end of the season because there was already another flyer in the show. :P

[/spoiler]


Quote from: Protomorph on May 11, 2008, 04:30:48 PM
I heard that the new season is dealing more with villains than heroes.

Sounds great. More villains for sylar to get his hands on. Bwahahaha. :rolleyes:

So when are they going to start Season 3?

Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on September 22, 2008, 05:01:39 AM
*ARISE* (Figured there's no point in making a second thread about this)

Just a reminder, Heroes: Season 3 starts up tonight at 9pm, with an  hour intro at 8pm.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Outcast on September 22, 2008, 07:48:20 AM
I saw some preview scenes.

[spoiler]Sylar was waking up Peter from some lab table or something. Peter was shocked to see him of course and wary of him. But Sylar says he wants to help Peter.

Then there was another scene where Claire (all dressed in black) is holding a gun and is pointing it at Peter.

And there is the scene with Hiro and the new speedster character, where Hiro is sort of asking her about her powers. She eventually punches Hiro's lights out. :P

Edit: Sorry. Didn't check the previews were already on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJxBw3uc5cU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJxBw3uc5cU) :doh:[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 22, 2008, 08:11:04 AM
There's also the scene shown on the Tonight Show.

[spoiler]
Bob scolds Ellie for letting Sylar get away, stating that he has killed Claire and stolen her power making him near impossible to stop.
[/spoiler]

Also a bit from an interview with Masai

[spoiler]
He stated that Future Hiro is back, although not from the same future timeline, so not exactly the same Future Hiro.  He calls him Future Hiro 2.0.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Panther_Gunn on September 22, 2008, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: The Hitman on September 22, 2008, 05:01:39 AMJust a reminder, Heroes: Season 3 starts up tonight at 9pm, with an  hour intro at 8pm.

*suddenly remembers he didn't set the VCR to record that first hour*  :o

Was there going to be anything new in that intro, or just a rehash of last season?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on September 22, 2008, 08:06:09 PM
Recorded the intro but didn't watch it. From what I can gather it's a recap with previews of the upcoming season.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on September 22, 2008, 08:50:36 PM
Well watched it. I have mixed feelings. Some stuff I liked, some I didn't.
Still love Hiro and Ando.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on September 22, 2008, 10:59:01 PM
Overall, I liked it.  I fully expect some of you to nit pick it to death but its was not bad and a definite improvement over Season 2.  There were a couple of things that didn't make sense, though. 
[spoiler]
How did present Peter get put inside that level 5 villain's head by future Peter?

Wouldn't Hiro of all people know that the "future Ando" he saw is not the definitive future but rather one that would be if they don't get that formula back?

Claire's birthmom was creepy in that scene.
[/spoiler]


Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on September 22, 2008, 11:26:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on September 22, 2008, 10:59:01 PM
Overall, I liked it.  I fully expect some of you to nit pick it to death but its was not bad and a definite improvement over Season 2.  There were a couple of things that didn't make sense, though. 
[spoiler]
How did present Peter get put inside that level 5 villain's head by future Peter?

Wouldn't Hiro of all people know that the "future Ando" he saw is not the definitive future but rather one that would be if they don't get that formula back?

Claire's birthmom was creepy in that scene.
[/spoiler]



There's an obvious answer to your one question:
[spoiler]Future Peter has gained some power between now and then that can place people in other bodies. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on September 23, 2008, 04:10:55 AM
OKay, I liked it. There were some silly parts, but it was a strong start to the third season
[spoiler]
I got a kick out of some of the little jokes. The preview line from Elle was classic, "Shrinks diagnosed me as a sociopath with paranoid delusions. But, they were just out to get me because I threatened to kill 'em."  :lol:

I also chuckled even at the product placement line when Parkman was in the desert, "No service here. Should've gone with Sprint."  :rolleyes:

There were a few clarifications and some questions:

1) Sylar does not physically eat the brains. Thank heavens. That line also was hilarious: "Claire, that's disgusting!"

2) So Claire's blood has some sort of one-time healing effect and, as an added bonus, brings the (recently) dead back to life.

3) Is Linderman a ghost, an hallucination, or is he just invisible?

4) Ummm. So it present time Peter brain-swapped with Jessie (Francis Capra) and Peter's body is somewhere else, or did future Peter transform him into the new body and hide the other Jessie, or what? We are sort of missing a body somewhere...

5) Sylar is pretty bright, but he still repeated that "We only use a fraction of our brainpower" nonsense that always makes me cringe. (http://home.graffiti.net/stumpyanker:graffiti.net/emoticons/eyebrow.gif)

6) We already knew this from last season's end, but I was kind of hoping Sylar would have to re-acquire his powers. But, it looks like he got them all back with the anti-viral drug. That makes sense for his character, of course, but I sorta like the reboot idea. Oh, well.

7) Umm, so Mrs. Petrelli is (or is claiming to be) Sylar's mom and is releasing him? I can't say that I saw that coming. Or that the release makes any sense to me.  :unsure:

It was a little odd to see Kristen Bell and Francis Capra in the same scene. I miss Veronica Mars. (http://home.graffiti.net/stumpyanker:graffiti.net/emoticons/bye2.gif)

Are they really ripping off The Fly with Mohinder? I have to say, that whole scene when he is back in his lab, drinking milk (or juice or whatever) out of the carton and climbing up walls and *ahem* showing Maya his etchings was all right out of the movie. Then when he was in front of the mirror and he did the skin peeling trick, I was thinking, "This is definitely a dream. He's going to wake up and see The Fly playing on TBS or something." But, it looks like they are really doing it.

I have the feeling we haven't seen the last of The Greatest American Hero. Maybe he can turn to water and Trikky froze him, but he'll re-congeal in that drain or something. And, I'll admit I would be thrilled if his editor or something were played by Robert Culp.  :P

So, where did they send Molly?

A couple things I could do without:

1) Please, please, please tell me we aren't going to spend the season with Claire whining about her power and how hard it is for her to feel human. "My awesome superpower makes me feel different from other people and I have so little self-esteem that uniqueness frightens me." Sooooo tired already.

2) I think they went a little overboard with all the flowery speeches. No offense, but Mohinder's narration was enough. The "connection between all human beings" schmaltz from Nathan was kinda making me gag.

3) They are setting a real tangled ball of thread on the table with all of the time travel. Not that I am complaining already, but if they do this all season it will be confusing.
[/spoiler]

Anyway, they planted plenty of seeds for things to come in this season opener and, though I was a little worried, the pacing was excellent. It looks like I will be turning on my TV on Mondays again.  :)
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on September 23, 2008, 08:49:12 AM
I enjoyed the opener, but this is still the show where supposedly smart people do the dumbest things imaginable.

[spoiler]

Case 1, Mohinder, King of the Dumb Smart-People: "I know, I'll inject myself with this super-power granting stuff I made in twenty minutes and have barely have had time to examine, much less study in-depth!  That's a great idea!"

Case 2, Future Peter: "I know, I'll swap my past self into the body of a super-powered serial killer locked up in jail!  That makes so much more sense than just locking my past self up somewhere!"

Case 3, Peter & Nathan's Mother: "I know, I'll let an nigh-unkillable serial killer out of jail to go after people with super-powers!  Of course he'll do what he's told!"

If Current Peter was actually swapped into that prisoner's body, it's particularly dumb.  That implies that the prisoner is in his much more powerful body, and also locked up somewhere.  I hope it turns out to be something different, like a semi-permanent illusion & power null put over him.

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Adamence on September 23, 2008, 09:21:59 AM
Definitely a good couple episodes that I enjoyed a lot, that had me saying "cool" and "neat" from the start interlaced with a whole lot of "huhs?" "whats" and "how does that works."

Definitely got left with a bunch of questions...

[spoiler]What's up with present Peter in Jesse's body?  Is he really brain swapped, or did Future Peter move Jesse somewhere else and is just using his Candace-like power to make it look like Peter is Jesse, because in all the reflections he saw of himself, he was Peter and not Jesse.  And when Elle and Noah were around on level 5, why didn't Peter do a better job of trying to convince them of who he was.  Perhaps something like "Hey Elle, remember when I was locked in that other facility and you were giving me daily doses of pills to keep my powers in check before I escaped and ended up in Ireland." instead of just saying "I'm Peter Petrelli."  Just a small point, but really, I know it's something I'd try.

And did Sylar since Volume 2 end get a nice little travel power?  He seems to be zipping around pretty darn fast.  He was in New York at the end of Volume 2 since that's where Isaac's loft is.  Nathan was shot and while Claire is just finding out about that (which would have been quite quick since it was all over the news,) Sylar is now in California to get the power from Claire.  Then from California, Sylar gets to back to the Company's facility (Hartsdale, NY I believe it was) to kill Bob and get pwned by Elle.  He really seems to be moving around at quite a good clip, considering we haven't seen him at any point get anything like that.

And I'm left with suspicions that future Ando wasn't really Ando.  Maybe it was Future Peter and using his Candace-like power... or maybe it was Ando and he used Mohinder's power giving drug to get that power.

And on a nit-picky side, I know I've complained in the past about them killing off characters too much, which is true, but when they're dead, that's it, they should be done with.  With Claire's blood and "divine intervention" both Noah and Nathan have been saved from death.  It's definitely a tad frustrating when death is completely meaningless in the show.  I mean, if someone dies, they're saved.  And on a similar note, now if someone wants a power, they can have it.  With Mohinder's drug, anyone who wants a power can have one, which I don't really care for.  So death is meaningless, and not having a power is meaningless, because either way, you can switch to the other team with a simple shot.

On a positive note...
Quote from: stumpy on September 23, 2008, 04:10:55 AM
It was a little odd to see Kristen Bell and Francis Capra in the same scene. I miss Veronica Mars. (http://home.graffiti.net/stumpyanker:graffiti.net/emoticons/bye2.gif)

Gotta say, I loved that part and hope to get to see them together more.  I miss VM too.  *sighs a little*
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: JeyNyce on September 23, 2008, 09:39:35 AM
It was a great opener for the new season and while I was left with a lot of "cool", "what?" and "huhs?" I'm sure that the writers will answers these question with some reasonable sense and not just BS.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Sgt. Friday on September 23, 2008, 11:24:14 AM
Over all, a strong opening.

It does leave one with a lot of questions though
[spoiler]
Like, so, is Mohinder going to turn into a scaly, puss-covered version of the Beast?

Does each of Nikki's different persona's have a different power? For example, is this current one the ability to freeze stuff?

Over all, I must say it's pretty intriguing. The one thing that did bother me was that they seemed to bump up the "adult content" up some from the last couple of seasons. I mean, it was present in the first two, but this opening is way more explicit then anything I remember from before. Not exactly a trend I would like to see continue, but that's just me.[/spoiler]

I'll be excited to follow it as much as I can, though.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Kholdstare89 on September 23, 2008, 08:47:17 PM
I loved it.  I can't wait to see more of the new villains, though, I'm also excited to see who else Sylar takes powers from.  He's my favorite character (yeah, I know a lot of people hate him).  I'm interested in seeing if Adam makes a return as well.  Man, I hate Mohinder. I hope he gets killed in the most brutal un-revivable way possible.  I actually sort of liked him in the first season because he seemed like he was at least capable of making one logical choice out of ten, but this season they threw that out the window.  Now, I expect him to crawl on the ceiling and rotate his head.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 23, 2008, 08:53:54 PM
Adam will be returning according to some of the future episode's synopsis.

As for Niki:

[spoiler]I don't think that is one of Niki's personalities.  The power never changed with personalities and it would make no sense that it would here.  Don't forget that Niki had an identical twin.  Just because the original Jessica is supposed to be dead doesn't mean she actually is. . .[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on September 24, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
Wow, that was great! I loved it! Now I can complain about it for some reason (maybe we should do the two thread thing again).

[spoiler]Mohinder is so stupid. I don't even think he's a real scientist. If you don't have something to do with a character, just put them in a lesser role. As far as The Fly-ness of his situation, I'm going to think of it as more of a tribute. Maya is a useless character as well. What should happen: He finds a way to cure them both, and that leads to them having a cure which they could use to defeat Sylar and Co.

Claire-Bear is SO whiny. She finds out she's immortal and now she doesn't feel pain? I'll trade my feeling human with her if she promises to stop complaining. I don't mind being awesome. BOO HOO. What should happen: she joins her dad and they form a posse with other heroes who have less to do and they stop the inmates, perhaps joining Nathan Petrelli.

Noah has become one of my favorites, he's actually NOT stupid. I predict more awesomeness from him.

Escaped villains: Lame stuff so far. Fire, magnetism, sonar? Do something that hasn't been done so much. Sucking out people's fear to boost strength? Ok that's even worse, stick with the same-ol'.

Parkman is in the desert with a new Issac Mendez. I always liked him as a good cop who could read minds. I'm interested in what happens to him, perhaps he can go to a theater with his friend and watch Eagle Eye and then call someone on a Sprint phone and tell them about it and then have a bag of Doritos.

Evil Peter is so evil. But both Peters are SO STUPID. I mean you have the worlds awesomest and most beautiful hair, why do you want to have a short cut? GROW IT BACK PLEASE! Scarface manages to mess everything up and can't control the butterfly effect. Present Peter who is now a fat bald guy should have stopped the inmates but I guess he lost all his other powers since he has a new body? So is he just some kind of Black Canary-type now? I have no idea what either of them are going to do aside from possibly their niece :/.

I thought Elle exploded herself, I could've sworn I saw chunks before the commercial. Oh well, I'm actually starting to like her but I would've thought she would kill Momtrelli after getting fired. She should join Noah, and her and Claire could have teenage girl thrall-fights.

Sylar's such a good villain. Great stuff from him as always. I also thought it was interesting that he's a Petrelli brother, he does look like one. I knew when she was releasing him like the dumbass that she is that that's what she was going to say. Either that or she was about to make out with him. She's creepy, I hope he kills her.

Hiro and Ando are good fun and always a break from the seriousness. I guess it's good to take a while before they get into a more important role.

The "speedster" (which I can't believe she actually said) character was SO LAME, GOD! I hope Hiro cuts her head off. I swear, she almost made me miss Nikki.

Nikkisiccacy: Never mind, I still really hate her. What was the point of the ice powers? Why couldn't she have just killed him with her strength and been surprised? And why is she SO ugly?

Nathan: Invisible Linderman? What's with that? I kinda like the direction he seems to be taking, and I'd like to see him as some kind of big hero doing the right thing.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on September 24, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
Regarding Nikki, Jessica and Tracy:

[spoiler]
Nikki, Jessica, and Tracy are triplets and not the same character.  Despite the whole Nikki/Jessica thing first season, there was a Jessica and there was a Nikki at some point.  Tracy is their triplet.  That's why she knows nothing about Jessica and Nikki Sanders.  She was separated at birth from them by "The Company". 

Their biological father?  Adam Monroe who was using the alias Richard Sanders at the time.

[/spoiler]



Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: kkhohoho on September 24, 2008, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on September 24, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
Regarding Nikki, Jessica and Tracy:

[spoiler]
Nikki, Jessica, and Tracy are triplets and not the same character.  Despite the whole Nikki/Jessica thing first season, there was a Jessica and there was a Nikki at some point.  Tracy is their triplet.  That's why she knows nothing about Jessica and Nikki Sanders.  She was separated at birth from them by "The Company". 

Their biological father?  Adam Monroe who was using the alias Richard Sanders at the time.

[/spoiler]





Is this fact or a prediction?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on September 24, 2008, 03:52:23 PM
I agree that this was a good start.  It wasn't great, but good.

[spoiler]What's up with Maya and bad men?  First she makes whoopie with Sylar and now Molhinder.  No wonder she has emotional issues.
Sylar being the third brother....oooookkkkkaaayyyy.  That's an interesting revelation.  I suppose he will have to stop evil Peter?
I think the Nathan/Linderman thing will play out like Tyler Durden.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on September 24, 2008, 11:50:19 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 24, 2008, 03:52:23 PM[spoiler]I think the Nathan/Linderman thing will play out like Tyler Durden.[/spoiler]

That is the impression that I got from those episodes.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on September 25, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: MJB on September 24, 2008, 11:50:19 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 24, 2008, 03:52:23 PM[spoiler]I think the Nathan/Linderman thing will play out like Tyler Durden.[/spoiler]

That is the impression that I got from those episodes.

-MJB
[spoiler]I thought Linderman was the one who healed Nathan. How could that be if he isn't real?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 25, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
[spoiler]
For that matter, how come nobody else can see him if he is?

No matter what, something odd is going on here.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on September 25, 2008, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on September 24, 2008, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on September 24, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
Regarding Nikki, Jessica and Tracy:

[spoiler]
Nikki, Jessica, and Tracy are triplets and not the same character.  Despite the whole Nikki/Jessica thing first season, there was a Jessica and there was a Nikki at some point.  Tracy is their triplet.  That's why she knows nothing about Jessica and Nikki Sanders.  She was separated at birth from them by "The Company". 

Their biological father?  Adam Monroe who was using the alias Richard Sanders at the time.

[/spoiler]

Is this fact or a prediction?


[spoiler]Combination of something I read on another site and some speculation.  I believe in one of the online comics Adam is listed as having used the alias Richard Sanders.  The Heroes Wiki had links to some articles about the matter and clearly stats that Tracy is not Nikki or Jessica.  Those articles could be wrong though.  I assume that The Company is involved with why Tracy was separated from Nikki and Jessica.  There is also a scene in the opener where Tracy is standing with Adam and the other villains as Sylar comes up behind Mrs. Petrelli.  The only other option is that Tracy is the mystery bride of Adam but that would explain why she looks like Nikki and Jessica. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Raptor on September 26, 2008, 07:51:53 PM
I really enjoyed the premiere episodes, lots of new questions to be answered throughout the course of the upcoming season.  First a response to a point brought up here...

Quote from: BWPS on September 25, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
[spoiler]I thought Linderman was the one who healed Nathan. How could that be if he isn't real?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Linderman was not the one who healed Nathan, it was Future Peter using another new power.  When Nathan was dead on the operating table and Future Peter kissed him on the forehead, it healed him.  The evidence I am using to support this is that Peter didn't look at all surprised to see his dead brother take a breath and sit up, which tells me he knew it was going to happen.[/spoiler]

Now, one thing that I am surprised that noone else has mentioned, and I'm starting to think that noone saw it because it aired BEFORE the intro hour leading up to the start of the first episode.  When I saw it I literally yelled "WTF??!" out loud to the tv when I saw it...

[spoiler]It looked like it was a scene that takes place AFTER the end of episode 2, where Momtrelli is talking to a captured Sylar while he is strapped to a table. 

Momtrelli looks toward the door and says "Bridgette, won't you join us please?"

An attractive brunette walks in wearing business attire, obviously part of the company and says "You wanted to see me?"

Momtrelli looks back at Sylar and says with a smile "This is Bridgette and she has a very special ability.  Any object she touches she can see its history.  Everywhere its been, everyone who's ever touched it."

Sylar says "What's she going to do to me?"

Momtrelli leans in and pulls the oxygen tube loose from Sylar's nose and whispers "Feed you."

The next shot shows Momtrellit walking down the hallway away from Sylar's cell and in the background you hear a woman screaming.

So Momtrelli just offered up this poor girl for Sylar to kill without even batting an eye?[/spoiler]

Also, I liked how the writers used the first couple episodes to address a lot of hotly debated fan questions from previous seasons 1 & 2. 
The question of whether Sylar eats his victim's brains to absorb their powers.
[spoiler]As a side note on this question, I remember reading an interview with the writers where they were asked if Sylar ate the brains and their immediate response was "That's disgusting."  I'm almost certain that's where Sylar's line to Claire came from[/spoiler]

Also, they finally clearly stated what Momtrelli's power is.

I know there are more, I just can't think of them without going back and watching the episodes over.  I just thought it was neat to see them throwing little bones to the fans like that. 
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on October 04, 2008, 10:42:29 PM
I just saw this past week's episode, and I'm surprised no one has commented on it.

[spoiler]
I liked that we see some significant movement rather than pattern-holding for sweeps: Peter gets out of the body he's stuck in, not a body-swap but an actual, physical co-habitation, Not-Nikki meets Micah, and then a suspicious doctor involved with them - someone doing experiments on people with powers perhaps? - and HRG & Sylar taking on Fear-Strength Man & Ugly Male Black Canary.

Now, that's not to say it was great: Hiro & Ando seem to be acting like children - with everything they've done so far, shouldn't they have grown up a little? - and the speedster's personality is starting to bug me.  Claire's whining.  Yet another person who can paint the future, including possibly Matt.  Momtrelli "manipulating" Sylar.  And most of all, HRG saying he'll keep Sylar around until he finds his weakness while talking to Sylar's fricking weakness!  The Haitian negates powers.  While Sylar is power-negated, HRG shoots him, and feeds him through a woodchipper.  Then he throws the Sylar-mulch into a furnace.  Problem solved.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 04, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
[spoiler]Which reminds me, does HRG know that Momtrelli is also SylarSire (or is at least pretending to be)? It seems like HRG would be smart enough to know that you don't tell someone's mom that you are biding your time until you can reduce the number of Mother's Day cards she'll be getting. That's especially true given how much of a family man HRG is.

BTW, Momtrelli, for having sort of a low- to mid-range power, is parent to the two most powerful characters on the show. Do we know what Poptrelli could do?

This is a minor thing, but does it seem odd to anyone that Tracy isn't concerned about being the special aide to someone who slept with someone who looked just like her a year ago? It seems like that would be a "second thoughts" moment, both on a personal level and because there is no way that sort of thing is going to stay secret in the political limelight...

I am also a little skeptical that a smart player in New York politics, like Nathan, has apparently never seen the governor's top aide. Meanwhile, Tracy is giving up that top aide position to take up with someone she has at least some reason to believe is a bit of a nut.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 05, 2008, 05:06:45 AM

[spoiler]I'm assuming that the governor was elected at the same time as Nathan's first election Season 1, and was a bit too busy being drunk between seasons, and dealing with things season 2 to notice.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Another Monday, another episode of Heroes!

[spoiler]
They've really decided to keep things interesting this season - unlike last year, I at least feel that stuff is happening in every episode.  Not always intelligent or rational stuff, but the point stands.

I thought this version of the future was pretty interesting.  Why Fear-Strength Man, Daphne & Evil Claire are a team, I don't really understand, and neither do I understand why Future Peter doesn't just regenerate as soon as the Haitian is out of range. 

Sylar - Gabriel - as a doting father was an interesting twist, though he seems to be a strangely ineffective fighter while good.  I mean, with the number of powers that Peter & Sylar have between them, Evil Claire with a handgun, Daphne & Fear-Strength Man seem like they're terribly outclassed, but the fight didn't really go that way. 

I'm also curious how almost everyone survived a point-blank nuclear detonation.  I don't care how well you regenerate - Peter & Claire, I'm looking in your direction - if you're vapour, which you would be, you aren't coming back from that.  Also, why would Daphne run across the country to die on her own doorstep, rather than a much closer hospital?

Oh, and Mohinder is totally re-enacting the Jeff Goldblum version of the Fly.  There's no doubt about it now.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 06, 2008, 11:41:33 PM
Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
[spoiler]I thought this version of the future was pretty interesting.  Why Fear-Strength Man, Daphne & Evil Claire are a team, I don't really understand, and neither do I understand why Future Peter doesn't just regenerate as soon as the Haitian is out of range. [/spoiler]

[spoiler]The explanation I picked up is that they were teamed up to prevent Future Peter from causing the timeline they were currently in. Killing Past Peter would just help their cause.

As why Future Peter didn't regenerate I feel there is something that hasn't been revealed yet. Either Peter can only use X amount of powers at 1 time or there's something about Future Claire's gun.[/spoiler]

Quote[spoiler]Sylar - Gabriel - as a doting father was an interesting twist, though he seems to be a strangely ineffective fighter while good.  I mean, with the number of powers that Peter & Sylar have between them, Evil Claire with a handgun, Daphne & Fear-Strength Man seem like they're terribly outclassed, but the fight didn't really go that way.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Outclassed? What did Past Peter have in his arsenal that would help him in a fight against an unknown Daphne? He didn't know she was super fast and wasn't aware that Hiro's abilities make her "normal".

As far as Gabriel is concerned he didn't want to use his abilities. He was adamantly against it since it would flare up his "hunger" for knowledge (ie killin' super folks). He took all he could until his son, Noah, was killed by Fear Dude.[/spoiler]

Quote[spoiler]I'm also curious how almost everyone survived a point-blank nuclear detonation.  I don't care how well you regenerate - Peter & Claire, I'm looking in your direction - if you're vapour, which you would be, you aren't coming back from that.  Also, why would Daphne run across the country to die on her own doorstep, rather than a much closer hospital?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]How did everyone survive? I have no clue. I hope that we will find out how sooner or later.

Why would Daphne go home? That's simple, what mother would go to a hospital before checking in with her family?[/spoiler]

Quote[spoiler]Oh, and Mohinder is totally re-enacting the Jeff Goldblum version of the Fly.  There's no doubt about it now.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]The writers revealed in an interview with cbr.com that it was no coincidence that Mohinder seems to be re-enacting The Fly. Heroes will and does contain quite a few nods to other pop culture media.[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 07, 2008, 01:27:30 AM
One more thing to say...

[spoiler]WTH is Nathan thinking?! This is the second time he has cheated on his wife and kids. WTH is going through his head??[/spoiler]

-MJB


Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: kkhohoho on October 07, 2008, 05:39:59 AM
Quote from: MJB on October 07, 2008, 01:27:30 AM
One more thing to say...

[spoiler]WTH is Nathan thinking?! This is the second time he has cheated on his wife and kids. WTH is going through his head??[/spoiler]

-MJB




Why, that's simple. Linderman is going through his head.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 07, 2008, 06:27:18 AM
Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Another Monday, another episode of Heroes!

[spoiler]

I'm also curious how almost everyone survived a point-blank nuclear detonation.  I don't care how well you regenerate - Peter & Claire, I'm looking in your direction - if you're vapour, which you would be, you aren't coming back from that.  Also, why would Daphne run across the country to die on her own doorstep, rather than a much closer hospital?

[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
More likely than not... Peter grabbed Claire and teleported out. At least thats what I think.  How he ended up on the table...????[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on October 07, 2008, 09:14:06 AM
[spoiler]
When you're out-numbered and one of your opponents has a child hostage, the ability to stop time would be brilliant, regardless of what Peter knew about their various abilities. 

About Nathan - didn't his wife divorce him?  I know she at least left him.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 07, 2008, 03:16:16 PM
Yes, some very interesting revelations indeed.

[spoiler]
So, it seems that only some of the characters are natural specials.  The company apparently created a bunch of them.  If you saw the preview for next week, Nathan was apparently a normal originally, possible all of the Petrellis brothers.

Also, good call to whoever said that Nicki and new girl were part of a triplet set.  Although it seems the original Jessica was not part of that set.  Come to think of it, the show never said they were identical twins, and I'm not even sure it said they were twins at all, just that they were sisters.

With the revelation that the mysterious formula is the correct version of Mohinder's, there seems no point to Mohinder's storyline at all, as he apparently never did get it right.

I'm guessing Matt's seeing the future is from the African Isaac's powers.  Isaac did die long before he really has a chance to develop them, so perhaps the ability to cause others to see the future as well is part of it.  Interestingly enough, the new character uses to crutch like Isaac to activate his powers, but at least it's something harmless this time around.  Also, am I the only one who finds him more interesting than Isaac was?

The concept of The Hunger is interesting, as is the view of Sylar as a victim of his own powers.  Of course, with Peter now having the same Hunger, this is bound to make things more interesting, even making it possible that the two will switch roles this season.  (Peter as the villain, Sylar/Gabriel as the hero)

Adam returns--we all saw that coming.  Not that that's a complaint, I rather liked him as a villain. Or hating him, however you prefer to put it.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 07, 2008, 08:19:26 PM
Enjoying this season. Much better and more interesting than last year. Also any scene with Hiro and Ando makes me smile.

[spoiler]I do have one question about last night's episode. Peter goes to absorb Gabriel's ability, but shouldn't he already have it? In the past he's always automatically had the abilities of anyone he's been in contact with. And he's ran into Sylar plenty of times, I'm pretty sure he grabbed his TK from him.

This season is really making Sylar interesting.

Also I love that Molly showed up and was with Parkman. I always liked Molly and her family bonds to him and Mohinder. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 07, 2008, 08:24:35 PM
[spoiler]The way I understood it he could only absorb the power if Sylar was using it at the time. Then again I could be wrong.[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 07, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
According to the writers, MJB is correct, that being a unique case.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 07, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 07, 2008, 08:24:35 PM
[spoiler]The way I understood it he could only absorb the power if Sylar was using it at the time. Then again I could be wrong.[/spoiler]

-MJB

Hmm that seems reasonable. I'd have to go over the series to check if it really makes sense though.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 08, 2008, 06:08:10 AM
[spoiler]
Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMThey've really decided to keep things interesting this season - unlike last year, I at least feel that stuff is happening in every episode.  Not always intelligent or rational stuff, but the point stands.

I agree with that, including the qualifier.

Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMI thought this Why Fear-Strength Man, Daphne & Evil Claire are a team, I don't really understand,

Yeah. It is very hard to keep track of which alliances have changed as we jump from various maybe-futures. And Claire seems to be a straight out villain in this four year version. Of course, I am not exactly buying that Nathan goes from being an appointed senator to president in less than four years, either. I wonder if they are trying to compress too much into a short span to avoid having to age everyone.

Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMand neither do I understand why Future Peter doesn't just regenerate as soon as the Haitian is out of range. 

Agreed. Unless he was maybe shot with the de-powering virus, I don't really see why he can't come back from that.

Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMSylar - Gabriel - as a doting father was an interesting twist, though he seems to be a strangely ineffective fighter while good.  I mean, with the number of powers that Peter & Sylar have between them, Evil Claire with a handgun, Daphne & Fear-Strength Man seem like they're terribly outclassed, but the fight didn't really go that way.   

Totally agree. There really shouldn't be any way for a "normal" superpower to beat Peter or Hiro if he has a second to think. Claire is just a kid with a gun, she's nothing to Peter, and the speedster might be able to take him, but he showed that he copied her power earlier in that scene, so she really shouldn't be able to get the drop on him either. Either way, for someone who can freeze time, it's going to be pretty instinctive to try that whenever some fast moving threat is afoot, whether or not he fully understands what it is. Ditto for any hostage situation.

I am assuming that Gabriel was resisting the use of his powers to avoid the 'hunger', but it seems like he should know that his (or Claire's or maybe Peter's) blood would have healed young Noah. I know there's the stress-of-the-moment crutch, but he has always seemed like a pretty quick thinker under pressure and there is no way any parent with that power wouldn't have at least thought about whether he would use it to save his child, should the need arise.

Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMI'm also curious how almost everyone survived a point-blank nuclear detonation.  I don't care how well you regenerate - Peter & Claire, I'm looking in your direction - if you're vapour, which you would be, you aren't coming back from that.  Also, why would Daphne run across the country to die on her own doorstep, rather than a much closer hospital?

We know that the others were there when Gabriel started to go nuclear, but we don't really know how long they stayed. I would have said Peter had time to teleport away before he was vaporized, possibly taking Claire with him (for whatever reason). And, we already know that the healing powers on the show can pretty much do anything, including heal severe radiation burns with both Claire and Nathan.

Quote from: Talavar on October 06, 2008, 10:42:24 PMOh, and Mohinder is totally re-enacting the Jeff Goldblum version of the Fly.  There's no doubt about it now.

Yup. Too bad. I liked The Fly, but it's a bit over the top in this context.

Quote from: Podmark on October 07, 2008, 08:19:26 PMI do have one question about last night's episode. Peter goes to absorb Gabriel's ability, but shouldn't he already have it? In the past he's always automatically had the abilities of anyone he's been in contact with. And he's ran into Sylar plenty of times, I'm pretty sure he grabbed his TK from him.

I agree with what others have said that he may never have been near enough when Sylar was using the ability. In addition, there is also the issue of training, where some powers may require more than just an instinctive desire to activate. I think that was sort of what Gabriel was doing when he had him fix the watch; he was having Peter do a training exercise to get a feel for the power.

I am glad Adam is back. He is a good baddie.

I also like Matt's Isaac stand-in. However, although Matt has put on some weight, I don't think the other guy needs to keep calling him "Pac Man". :lol:

On a more serious note, I know they are trying to keep things interesting with Peter potentially morphing into a villain. I am iffy on the idea. For one thing, there is already one Sylar and I don't know that we need another. Also, the bit where the 'hunger' takes him and Peter uses the TK saw on Nathan seemed fairly goofy. Not only does Peter already have Nathan's power, but he wouldn't need to do Sylar's little brain dissection trick even if he didn't. If he's developed a lust for killing, then fine; he has at least a dozen ways to kill someone.

I do hope they follow up on that call that Tracy made to the police about the reporter's death. Calling the police isn't an anonymous activity, especially from a phone that is left off the hook when the handset breaks.

I hope they haven't lost track of Elle.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Tortuga on October 08, 2008, 02:26:51 PM
Madam T and I missed our weekly Heroes episode to go to a concert on Monday night.  Can anyone gimme a brief rundown so that episode 4 will make sense?

Thanks
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: kkhohoho on October 08, 2008, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Tortuga on October 08, 2008, 02:26:51 PM
Madam T and I missed our weekly Heroes episode to go to a concert on Monday night.  Can anyone gimme a brief rundown so that episode 4 will make sense?

Thanks

Can't you see it online?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 08, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
The full episode and a quick 2 minute recap are available at NBC.com.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Adamence on October 08, 2008, 03:00:39 PM
I must say, that was a very good episode, I don't really have much to say about it except I can't wait to see where it's going. 

[spoiler]
Quote from: stumpy on October 08, 2008, 06:08:10 AM
Of course, I am not exactly buying that Nathan goes from being an appointed senator to president in less than four years, either. I wonder if they are trying to compress too much into a short span to avoid having to age everyone.
It could happen... probably more likely to happen if he was a Governor from Alaska though...

Quote from: stumpy on October 08, 2008, 06:08:10 AM
I hope they haven't lost track of Elle.
She still has some episodes left on her guest star contract, so I'm certain she'll be back... hopefully en route to becoming a series regular.  *sighs dreamily thinking about Kristen Bell*

And one thing I've always kind of thought about this show, that's kind of echoed by the Isaac replacement in the latest episode, is that you can't really change destiny.  A friend of mine and I were having a discussion about how she feels they're just rehashing the same stuff as the first season, world in crisis with a big explosion and changing the past to change the future, and I pointed out that it's kind of like he was talking with destiny.  You can change some stuff in the past, like Hiro did to try and save Charlie, but in the future, you're still going to pretty much end up where you were going anyways, but maybe with some small changes (ie: Charlie still dies, Nathan still becomes president, there's still a giant explosion killing tons of people.)  I kind of like that idea, every future should be somewhat similar, but still slightly different that way, which will keep things interesting.
[/spoiler]

And also..

Quote from: MJB on October 08, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
The full episode and a quick 2 minute recap are available at NBC.com.

For those in Canada, you can watch them online at globaltv.com since NBC.com won't let you watch them (since they don't have distribution rights in Canada.)
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 08, 2008, 05:37:56 PM
I saw Ep 4 and I was....unimpressed.  It just bothers me that Peter is so foolish. [spoiler] Why doesn't he just stop time and take care of business?  Why does he need to "feed" if he can copy anyone's power just by being around them?  Sylar's power is supposed to be knowing how things work and how to put pieces together...so wouldn't that mean that Peter can just unlock abilities he may not even know he has?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Tortuga on October 08, 2008, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 08, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
The full episode and a quick 2 minute recap are available at NBC.com.

-MJB

Not to viewers outside the US, it seems.  :angry:
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 08, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: Tortuga on October 08, 2008, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 08, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
The full episode and a quick 2 minute recap are available at NBC.com.

-MJB

Not to viewers outside the US, it seems.  :angry:

As Adamence pointed out you can catch it on Global's site: http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/heroes/video/index2.html
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 09, 2008, 01:11:40 AM
Whatever you do don't point out that Adamence is "right". He just can't handle that kind of pressure.

If anything say that you think Adamence could be right but he is so fundamentally wrong that you don't believe that to be the case.

In any respect I hope that Tort can find his video.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 09, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 08, 2008, 05:37:56 PM[spoiler] Why doesn't he just stop time and take care of business?  Why does he need to "feed" if he can copy anyone's power just by being around them?  Sylar's power is supposed to be knowing how things work and how to put pieces together...so wouldn't that mean that Peter can just unlock abilities he may not even know he has?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I feel that the "Peter needs to feed" plot is a poor attempt at character development.[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Tortuga on October 09, 2008, 09:25:47 AM
Huzzah!  Thanks for the tip about Global.  We'll watch that later tonight.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on October 09, 2008, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 09, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 08, 2008, 05:37:56 PM[spoiler] Why doesn't he just stop time and take care of business?  Why does he need to "feed" if he can copy anyone's power just by being around them?  Sylar's power is supposed to be knowing how things work and how to put pieces together...so wouldn't that mean that Peter can just unlock abilities he may not even know he has?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I feel that the "Peter needs to feed" plot is a poor attempt at character development.[/spoiler]

-MJB

[spoiler]
No, the 'needing to feed' is another mistake they've made in handling Sylar.  It was a mistake to make him a regular, it was a bigger mistake to give him Claire's ability, and now they're compounding their mistake by attempting to "redeem" him; "Aww, poor Gabriel - it wasn't his fault. 'The Hunger' made him do it - even saintly Peter Petrelli nearly killed his own brother because of 'The Hunger'".   

Where's that barfing smiley?

There needs to be a knock-down, drag out between Sylar and Peter, and then Sylar needs to GO AWAY. For at least a full season, probably longer. You don't have to kill him, (though I'd prefer it if you did; or at the very least make him interesting again by having someone else get stuck inside his body), but these people need to find other challenges.

That said, I do like that they've expanded the power somewhat- it appears that Sylar can use his abilities to see not just how powers work, but how people work- what they intend to do, and what the consequences of their actions will be.  And Zach Quinto is a heck of an actor - he almost sold me on this storyline (despite my firm conviction that Sylar is a tired and massively overexposed villian). [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on October 09, 2008, 11:16:44 PM
Quote from: bredon7777 on October 09, 2008, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 09, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 08, 2008, 05:37:56 PM[spoiler] Why doesn't he just stop time and take care of business?  Why does he need to "feed" if he can copy anyone's power just by being around them?  Sylar's power is supposed to be knowing how things work and how to put pieces together...so wouldn't that mean that Peter can just unlock abilities he may not even know he has?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I feel that the "Peter needs to feed" plot is a poor attempt at character development.[/spoiler]

-MJB

[spoiler]
No, the 'needing to feed' is another mistake they've made in handling Sylar.  It was a mistake to make him a regular, it was a bigger mistake to give him Claire's ability, and now they're compounding their mistake by attempting to "redeem" him; "Aww, poor Gabriel - it wasn't his fault. 'The Hunger' made him do it - even saintly Peter Petrelli nearly killed his own brother because of 'The Hunger'".   

Where's that barfing smiley?

There needs to be a knock-down, drag out between Sylar and Peter, and then Sylar needs to GO AWAY. For at least a full season, probably longer. You don't have to kill him, (though I'd prefer it if you did; or at the very least make him interesting again by having someone else get stuck inside his body), but these people need to find other challenges.

That said, I do like that they've expanded the power somewhat- it appears that Sylar can use his abilities to see not just how powers work, but how people work- what they intend to do, and what the consequences of their actions will be.  And Zach Quinto is a heck of an actor - he almost sold me on this storyline (despite my firm conviction that Sylar is a tired and massively overexposed villian). [/spoiler]


[spoiler]That may be the problem that causes his overexposure. HRG and Sylar are by far the best actors on the show, followed probably by Hiro and Ando but it's kinda hard to tell with them because they have accents and speak Japanese a lot. They probably write him into the show so much because he's the best actor on the cast.[/spoiler]

My Pops told me that he knew Linda Crow in college, who plays Claire's mom and is married to the guy who played The Exploding Man in real life. Of course he's always saying stuff like that "I was in Norma Rae! See that guy in the brown shirt walking in the background? That's me! I won an Oscar." "Dad, just because you were an extra in the movie doesn't mean you get to share the Oscar." "Shows what you know! I was GOING PLACES back in the late 70s!" "Dad, you work security for a fiberglass plant." "Shaddyup you, I'll cane you good, Boy!" "You don't even have a cane!"
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 10, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on October 13, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
Ok, the level of sheer WTF-erey is getting almost too high even for me, here.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 13, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
[spoiler]Did - Did Hiro just KILL Ando?!  :([/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: kkhohoho on October 13, 2008, 08:49:10 PM
Quote from: Podmark on October 13, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
[spoiler]Did - Did Hiro just KILL Ando?!  :([/spoiler]

I think it's just an act.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on October 13, 2008, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Podmark on October 13, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
[spoiler]Did - Did Hiro just KILL Ando?!  :([/spoiler]

[spoiler]
I'm fairly sure he's rationalizing "I can go to the past, and make sure Ando lives."; despite SWEARING never to go into the past again three episodes ago.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on October 13, 2008, 10:38:06 PM
[spoiler]try adam's blood healing ando.  that is if Ando is still gonna be around.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on October 14, 2008, 12:47:40 AM
Um...I may not be up to speed on this series (I've only seen a very few episodes), but none of these people strike me as heroic...I'm getting the feeling the series is mistitled.  I saw an episode tonight and it didn't make much sense to me...But everyone was trying to kill each other or thinking about killing another character...Not very heroic.

Dana
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 14, 2008, 01:24:11 AM
Quote from: bredon7777 on October 13, 2008, 07:01:28 PMOk, the level of sheer WTF-erey is getting almost too high even for me, here.

Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on October 14, 2008, 12:47:40 AMnone of these people strike me as heroic...

Well said, on both counts.

I am trying to think if there is a single person I actually even like at this point in the season... Joan, but she's been gone for most of it. At least Sylar/Gabriel is somewhat interesting.

[spoiler]BTW, I think Hiro did kill Ando. It's utterly out of character. Properly written, Hiro wouldn't be able to go through with the act of physically killing Ando, even if he did think he could retcon him back.[/spoiler]

I am really hoping they start to turn this around.


So... When is Lost back on the air?

Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2008, 08:06:08 AM
Just saw this episode, and most of it I like.  Most, I do have the same major problem as most of you.

[spoiler]
Maury Parkman as behind Linderman is a good revelation. I makes sense and it works.  The revelation that Mr. Petrelli is behind the whole thing is interesting too, and works.

Not so sure I like what they've done to Mohinder.  He was our everyman, our brilliant professor, and the person other characters could go to.  Now he's some kind of super-powered freak.  Why destroy a good character so needlessly?

I'm fine with Sylar's reform and Peter's struggles, but I do think Peter should not become a straight out villain.  Also, this adds the further problem of the two biggest powerhouses in the Heroes universe not being against each other, but the writers seem to have solved this problem by making them both oddly vulnerable to the weakest opponents.  Bascially, whenever they seriously outclass anyone they are going against and are supposed to have a fight, they suddenly become grossly incompetent, only to be seen as madly powerful the next scene over.  I mean, in earlier episodes Sylar takes on three of the badest villain around without even trying, then loses to one of them by himself a few scenes later.  What?

Hiro's stabbing Ando really takes the cake, though.  Hiro would never, ever do that.  Even the suspiciousness he's shown for Ando would never lead him their.  He'd say something about how heroes never sacrifice innocents or something of the sort.

Anyway, I'm still enjoying this in spite of some misgivings, and am interesting in what happens with Parkman/Petrelli's supergroup.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: JeyNyce on October 14, 2008, 08:49:26 AM
Does anybody like the fact that/ or How do you feel about:

[spoiler]They fact that some of the Heroes/ Villains got their powers from experiments instead of being born with them?  If I getting this right, the first generation of heroes (adam, Parkman,peter & Nat's parents) were born with their powers and from there they try to recreate powers in their kids from experiments? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
Not exactly.

[spoiler]Mrs. Petrelli's revelation to Nathan indicates that their children sometimes, or maybe even usually, did inherit powers, just that he didn't.  Also, the formula hasn't been used for some time, so the younger powers are all natural.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on October 14, 2008, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
[spoiler]Mrs. Petrelli's revelation to Nathan indicates that their children sometimes, or maybe even usually, did inherit powers, just that he didn't.  Also, the formula hasn't been used for some time, so the younger powers are all natural.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]To be more precise about the inheritance of powers vs. giving them. The only people who we DO know were experimented on were Nathan and the Sanders sisters.[/spoiler]

I think there will be a lot of "switching sides" this season.  It's be said in interviews by the creators and even in the preview at the start of the season that all of the regular characters will be exhibiting "heroic" and "villainous" qualities.  Furthermore, I suspect that Angela and Arthur Petrelli are going to be the respective heads of two rival factions and by time volume 3 ends that there will be a lot of clear lines drawn between several characters that we have not expected before.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: USAgent on October 14, 2008, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on October 14, 2008, 12:47:40 AM
Um...I may not be up to speed on this series (I've only seen a very few episodes), but none of these people strike me as heroic...I'm getting the feeling the series is mistitled.  I saw an episode tonight and it didn't make much sense to me...But everyone was trying to kill each other or thinking about killing another character...Not very heroic.

Dana

Well this season's series IS titled "Villains"
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
No, the first half of this season is "Villains."  We're halfway through that.  Volume 4 is the second half, and it is title "Fugitives" which sound like something's going to change at the end of Villains which ain't going to be so fun for some of the characters.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on October 14, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
[spoiler]WHY HIRO WHY?

I'M well aware that dying is meaningless in the show (unless you get vortex'D, but that will probably not happen very often now), YOU seem to of suddenly figured out that dying is meaningless in your show, BUT YOU CAN'T ZARKING STAB ANDO!
Why would he do this? Surely saying that he doesn't want to kill his partner isn't going to completely give away that he can't be trusted. And that fear-strength guy who has the worst powers ever isn't going to be even close to a match for him. I hope we're not supposed to believe that Hiro was so worried that Future Ando would kill him that he seriously stabbed Ando with no plans to bring him back. And I don't think that he was under mind control. So basically that was just stupid and out of character. Way to fail at writing Hiro, Writers. A good episode other than that. Though it kinda sucks that we don't have even ONE white knight character. Everyone either was evil, is evil, is being tricked by someone evil, did something evil, or will become evil in the future. In a show like this, I like to have someone that I can totally pull for because they're powerful, but always good, like Batman or Superman or Rorschach. Usually Hiro and Peter filled this role, and while it's interesting to see a dark side to them, now Sylar or Nathan is the nicest person on the show. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 14, 2008, 09:23:07 PM
[spoiler]Hiro and Ando make the show for me, this was really evident in season 2 when they were separated for so long, so I'm very concerned about the latest development. Plus it's widely out of character on a few levels.

I actually don't have a problem with all the characters being bad to some degree as long as it's interesting, but Hiro just doesn't work as a bad guy. He's just too innocent and pure hearted.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on October 15, 2008, 01:08:09 AM
I agree...To me, Hiro seemed the most heroic of every character (besides the police officer) among the cast...I guess not so much now.

Dana
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: USAgent on October 15, 2008, 04:05:41 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
No, the first half of this season is "Villains."  We're halfway through that.  Volume 4 is the second half, and it is title "Fugitives" which sound like something's going to change at the end of Villains which ain't going to be so fun for some of the characters.

[spoiler]Ah, never the less this season is still meant to be anything but heroic.

I did enjoy the fact that Linderman didnt really come back to life or has some other power to talk to people evev though he is dead, and having Parkman Sr. behing the Linderman illusions was a good idea. Since he can read minds he might be the only one that can communicate with Mr.Petrelli (other than Angela in her dreams) who seems to be in some kind of awake coma and can't function.  Its going to be interesting to see how or who put Petrelli Sr. in that state.  And speaking of Parkman we found out that Matt also can get people to think what ever he wants them too as well.

I was dissapointed to see Vortex guy leave, he was actually the only one that showed goodness in him in this episode (well and Claire). He really made me nervous with that type of power he has, he seems extremly powerfull and can do in about anyone.  I hope he can pull himself out of his own vortex, he seems like someone who will come back and save the day sometime.

Ando and Hiro? Its gotta be some kind of trickery.  Not enjoying Mohinder's story line right now, I crindge every time I see him and I can't believe Miya's death filed couldnt take him down once he attacked her.

And is Nathan and his with divorced? Because for a guy who claims to have found and talked with God he sure has a cheatin heart! hmm...I wonder if his two sons were ever tampered with after they were born as well???[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 15, 2008, 06:29:11 AM
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QuoteI wonder if his two sons were ever tampered with after they were born as well???
Um, no. It's quite clear that the formula has not been used for a very long time.  I think it's safe to say that anyone much younger than Nathan was not experimented on.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 15, 2008, 09:19:08 AM
Wow... am really finding some of your comments to be quite interesting.  I'm so far really enjoying this season and the pace. 
[spoiler]
- Well for those of us who don't follow all the extras out side of the show... the suspicions that the big baddie was papa Petrelli is good to know.

- I don't believe for one moment that Hiro would just kill Ando.  I'm certain that they are faking it... having already known what would happen.

- There was always speculation about how the company knew that Claire (and a couple others) would develop powers before they did makes sense now.  I'm also pretty sure that in one of the episodes this season that the future conflict between the 'supers' was divided between the ones who were natural and the ones who were made.  So I'm going to assume everyone who was on the side of Claire and speed girl were all 'made'.  Also... any one who Petrelli goes after as well.  As it seams that he may have been the main person behind the experiments in the first place.

- The creepy fly story line is... well... freaky and IMO actually an interesting subplot.  It shows how a desire for power can really go wrong... tragically so. 

- I don't believe Peter will become a villain... he is just going through some... issues.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 17, 2008, 12:54:13 AM
Was anyone else ticked off at the fact that NBC ruined the shock ending of last weeks episode with their promos?

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 17, 2008, 07:47:07 AM
This was  really good episode except...

[spoiler]I didn't like the ending.  Visions of Linderman?  That just seems like they're doing something really terrible.  I always suspected Papa was alive so it wasn't a huge surprise because he's mentioned too much to not be added into the story.  However, the way his powers seem to work could mean that Parkman is the 4th brother or at least a cousin..sigh! 

This show is getting too complicated and it really may have been better if they had just given the fans a showdown between Peter and Sylar insteod of all these twists and turns.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 17, 2008, 10:15:22 AM
Okay, lots of confusion here. I may be able to help you guys out a bit.

[spoiler]
Quote- Well for those of us who don't follow all the extras out side of the show... the suspicions that the big baddie was papa Petrelli is good to know.

Actually, it wasn't a suspicion, since he is quite clearly shown to be the one in the bed at the end of the show, that is, within the show itself.  No outside extras needed.

Quote- There was always speculation about how the company knew that Claire (and a couple others) would develop powers before they did makes sense now.  I'm also pretty sure that in one of the episodes this season that the future conflict between the 'supers' was divided between the ones who were natural and the ones who were made.  So I'm going to assume everyone who was on the side of Claire and speed girl were all 'made'.  Also... any one who Petrelli goes after as well.  As it seams that he may have been the main person behind the experiments in the first place.

Again, it's quite clear that the formula has been put away for many years.  I am fairly confident that it has been locked away since long before Claire was born.  The conversation with Mrs. Petrelli seems to indicate that they didn't use it for very long.

QuoteI always suspected Papa was alive so it wasn't a huge surprise because he's mentioned too much to not be added into the story.  However, the way his powers seem to work could mean that Parkman is the 4th brother or at least a cousin..sigh!

That wasn't Papa doing that, did you miss Maury Parkman sneaking around and reporting to Papa Petrelli?  Maury's the one doing everything right now and he clearly stated that he produced the Linderman illusions.

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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Adamence on October 17, 2008, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 17, 2008, 12:54:13 AM
Was anyone else ticked off at the fact that NBC ruined the shock ending of last weeks episode with their promos?

-MJB

There's a reason I don't watch the promos for the following week...my roommate laughs when I immediately change the channel going la-la-la-la-la... but I like not knowing.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 17, 2008, 11:41:58 PM
Even during season 1, they had a bad habit of putting major spoilers in the promo--or putting in scenes that wouldn't appear for weeks, or sometimes not at all.   At least they seemed to have dropped the last two.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 20, 2008, 08:49:34 PM
All I want to say is:

[spoiler]Yay for Hiro! Was very concerned about Hiro 'killing' Ando, but it turned out it was awesome.
Also seeing Hiro get hit by a shovel twice was funny.

Also papa Patrelli he's got another variation of Peter and Sylar's powers. Kinda like it, but kinda hate it. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2008, 08:03:09 AM
Well:

[spoiler]
All I have to say about Hiro and Ando is
:lol:
Well, not all I have to say.  The whole fake killing was well handled, which I was skeptical they could pull of well.  The highlight of the show, though, was Hiro going back in time only to get hit with the shovel again.  I couldn't stop laughing!
I still think Mr. Africa Isaac is quite cool.

Now on to other things

It looks like I wasn't the only one who thought it wasn't good to have two titans of the Heroes world on the same side, 'cause we just lost one of them.  Well, we don't know if Papa stole Peter's original absorption power or just the ones he aquired.   This also means the who hunger thing is a non issue, hopefully, because Papa should have it now.

I was kinda sorry to see Adam go, though.  I thought he made a good villain and I think it's a shame for him to be gone like this.  Oh well.

Even though Peter vs Gabriel was short, I thought it was well done, and at least Peter actually won this time.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 21, 2008, 09:08:09 AM
what happened to Adam? I missed the 1st 5 mins.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on October 21, 2008, 09:11:23 AM
[spoiler]
Mr. Petrelli mind- forced Adam to grab his hand. Petrelli stole Adam's healing power, and since it was the only thing keeping him alive, Adam crumbled into 400- year- old dust.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2008, 09:12:41 AM
Missing part of your spoiler tag buddy.

Anyhow, I was wondering the difference between him and the other guy, but that explanation works.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Conduit on October 21, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
This is the first episode of this season that I've seen.  I missed the first few episodes, and I wasn't interested in what I had heard about them.  All the confusing time travel, revelations that didn't make much sense, and weird characterization.  But this episode was pretty good.  It didn't make a whole lot of sense, but it was pretty entertaining.  I might stick around a little longer.

[spoiler]
Hiro's encounter with African Isaac was great.  Everything from "They all look alike to me.  That's racist." to, of course, Hiro travelling back in time only to get whacked over the head again.

Claire's storyline with the pupper master guy was really good and intense.  I was honestly a little tense in the Russian Roulette scene.

I don't like how they killed off Adam.  Especially since I've heard that they only brought him back one or two episodes ago.  The major villain of last season, has a good amount of unused potential, then he's dug up only to turn him to dust one episode later.  Not that he should have been kept on forever like Sylar, but I would have liked to see him get a little more to do this season.

So Papa Petrelli is the major villain this season?  This could be interesting.

To those who have seen the previous episodes, have they ever explained what happened to Caitlyn from last season, or even mentioned her?  How about the last scene of Volume 2, which implied that Angela was involved with Nathan's shooting or at least knew about it?
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on October 21, 2008, 09:44:30 AM
[spoiler]
Caitlyn is trapped in an alternate future. The end. I think it would be a mistake to bring in the notion of parallel worlds. It's too much for the casual watcher. Plus, as good looking as she is, she did nothing for the story.

I'm sure Momtrelli knew about the shooting, with her prophetic dreams and such. I'd like to believe that, since it was obvious she didn't know who the shooter was, she believed that Bob sent the guy. What it probably was, the writers decided to go in a different direction between the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 3.

And about the Adam thing, if they really want him back, they could by explaining that if Poptrelli is killed, which I bet he is by the end of the season, all of the stolen powers will go back to their original owners, so Adam's dust would re- congeal and poof- Adam's back
[/spoiler]

Hey, I remembered the Spoiler Tags this time!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2008, 10:22:15 AM
[spoiler]
Caitlyn's storyline was part of the original Volume 3, which no longer exists, won't be filmed ever, which pretty much means she's gone.

QuoteHow about the last scene of Volume 2, which implied that Angela was involved with Nathan's shooting or at least knew about it?
Well, she did tell Future Peter that she knew about him because of her dreaming ability.  Even if she didn't know exactly who was responsible, she may have dreamed it happening.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 21, 2008, 11:59:14 AM
So, is anybody else getting tired of Peter doing stupid stuff? Man, he's the cause of almost 3 disatrous events in the world.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 21, 2008, 07:32:06 PM
[spoiler]
Quote from: The Hitman on October 21, 2008, 09:44:30 AM
And about the Adam thing, if they really want him back, they could by explaining that if Poptrelli is killed, which I bet he is by the end of the season, all of the stolen powers will go back to their original owners, so Adam's dust would re- congeal and poof- Adam's back

Also, a variation is that Poptrelli absorbs powers and then they slowly fade from him. That's something that occurred to me when wondering how he ended up with almost no powers in that bed, particularly since he would likely have been the most powerful of the "parent generation" heroes.

As an aside, Adam's death was sort of unecessary, plot-wise, since Poptrelli could have tricked Peter into touching him even in bed and he would have gotten Peter's Claire-derived healing power that way.[/spoiler]

Quote from: thanoson on October 21, 2008, 11:59:14 AMSo, is anybody else getting tired of Peter doing stupid stuff? Man, he's the cause of almost 3 disatrous events in the world.

I tend to agree that people in the show do lots of dumb things that aren't really congruent with normal (Peter) or exceptional (Mohinder) intelligence.
[spoiler]BTW, is the premise that the reason Mohinder is kidnapping an increasing number of people (specials and non-specials) that he needs them for his powering/depowering research? Or is it that he also has some uncontrollable urge that he is satisfying by trapping them? It just seems stupid because most of those people (Maya, Nathan, Tracy) would have given him blood/tissue samples if he just asked.

Meanwhile, he knew that Tracy could freeze things, but he kept her "secured" with cuffs that normal strength could break when embrittled by cold? Yeesh. Of course, they coul be playing pretty fast and loose with the physics there...[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 21, 2008, 07:41:58 PM
BTW, I did get a good chuckle out of
[spoiler]Daphne's "This is getting kind of stalky..." line at the airport when Matt was telling her how he knew about a future together with her. I mean, look at what she's doing and she calls him "stalky"? Helloooo. Irony much?  :lol:[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2008, 10:16:22 PM
Oh, there were some great lines.  Actually, there was a lot of humor in this episode, even with a couple of more intense things going on.  Really well balanced.

[spoiler]And the puppeteer is so far the creepiest of the villains.  Even though I knew exactly what would happen once the Russian roulette thing started, it was a still a very well done part of the episode.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on October 21, 2008, 10:37:49 PM
Daphne = :thumbdown:
[spoiler]Daphne has already used the terms "precog" and "speedster", which totally don't belong in this show. I hate her. Also she wears too much makeup, which is hard to do on TV because everyone wears a lot of makeup, even men. [/spoiler]
This show is so great to me. I'm so willing to suspend my disbelief of  and the fact that Peter and Mohinder seem to be playing Idiot Ball catch while they're both Too Dumb To Live. Rule of Cool in action! And I just wasted another 30 minutes of my life on TV tropes. DAMMIT!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on October 21, 2008, 10:46:26 PM
BWPS-
[spoiler]
Why don't precog and speedster belong in the show? It's been well established that comic books exist in the show, I can only assume that sci-fi literature does as well. Those are fairly common terms in the genre, and its likely that anyone who is well read would know them, so Im not sure aht your objection is

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2008, 10:51:28 PM
And even in real life, when something similar to something fictional becomes reality, it simply takes on the name given to it in fiction.  There's no reason why superhero terms and power titles wouldn't be passed on to people who really had them.  It only makes sense, actually.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Sevenforce on October 22, 2008, 05:14:26 AM
Psst...sarcasm. His posts are laced with it like sarcasmite  :P
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on October 22, 2008, 06:51:25 AM
They don't belong in comic books either. They just sound so stupid to me to have little nicknames for different powers. Its ok for people who are talking about comic books or shows, but I don't like when the characters actually use them. I think it's because it takes away the coolness of the power. "He's one of probably 3 known people who have ever been able to actually see the future, yknow, just one of those precogs!" It seems like they're saying it to be cool and appeal to comic book geeks, but it sounds stupid to me because I'm painfully aware of that. It's almost as bad as the Product Placement Precog - "I'm painting the future, Mr. Pacman, it's a message: be... sure... to... drink... your... ovaltine..."
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 22, 2008, 07:30:08 AM
But people DO come up with nicknames for everything.  It's in our nature.  The fact is, they DO belong in comic books, you DO need a name for common powers, and people WILL give names for everything whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 22, 2008, 08:44:04 AM
Yep, people call some magic users mentalist, hypnotist, etc.... As soon as we saw her use super speed, we all called her speedster. Why wouldn't she? SHe's got to be at least as hip as some of us. However, there is one flaw to her I don't like. Why does she use super speed when in a full room where everyone can see? Wouldn't that cause suspicion on her part?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on October 22, 2008, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 22, 2008, 07:30:08 AM
But people DO come up with nicknames for everything.  It's in our nature.  The fact is, they DO belong in comic books, you DO need a name for common powers, and people WILL give names for everything whether you like it or not.
I know this. I'm just saying I really don't like it. It annoys me and she annoys me. If I'm the only one who is annoyed by it, that's a good thing. I really don't expect them to change anything.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 22, 2008, 10:18:02 AM
QuoteHowever, there is one flaw to her I don't like. Why does she use super speed when in a full room where everyone can see? Wouldn't that cause suspicion on her part?

She doesn't seem the type to really care, especially as she goes to places so far away from where she actually lives.  In addition, it has been shown that she moves so fast that normal people can't even see her, just notice an usual gust of wind.  Even when someone does see her, they probably have no idea what happened, and just brush it off as something wierd.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: USAgent on October 22, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 22, 2008, 10:18:02 AM
  Even when someone does see her, they probably have no idea what happened, and just brush it off as something wierd.

And that is exactly what you saw people in the background at the airport terminal doing, they gave a quick sideways glance when she bolted, then shrugged it off.  (And after what she saw happen at the end of the show, ya just know it is going to be her turning point into a hero)
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 23, 2008, 12:07:57 AM
[spoiler]Sucks the way Adam died.  Why put in all that back story to kill him off like that?  It doesn't even make sense.  If he just had his powers removed wouldn't he just become mortal?  Maybe this whole thing was done because the writers knoew they'd written themselves into a trap with the who "hunger" thing and they didn't want to go back to using "the healing blood"[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 23, 2008, 12:17:14 AM
[EDIT: Haha. While I went back to slow-mo that scene a few times, thalaw2 made the point for me. Great minds... :)]

Another thing on Adam
[spoiler]
Quote from: The Hitman on October 21, 2008, 09:11:23 AMMr. Petrelli mind- forced Adam to grab his hand. Petrelli stole Adam's healing power, and since it was the only thing keeping him alive, Adam crumbled into 400- year- old dust.

When I saw that scene, it wasn't what I thought had happened, though now I agree that is probably what they meant.

[nitpick]
This goes back to one of my peeves about how rapid aging is depicted. I don't think it makes much sense that Adam's power was actively keeping him from experiencing 400 years of decay. After all, it's a power that heals him by repairing cell damage and such, not a power that stops time just for him (otherwise it wouldn't heal macroscopic damage, nevermind issues with the time-stopping itself). Once his power was removed, he should have aged at a one physiological year per one temporal year rate. Otherwise, if removing his power undoes all its past effects, he should have died instantly of myriad sword wounds, oxygen deprivation while entombed, falling off buildings, and who knows what all else instead of visibly decaying while basically alive over the course of several seconds.

And, once again, hair. Adam's hair was shown turning gray in that scene. I've said this in another thread, but hair itself is dead and doesn't change color because the hair outside the follicle changes color, but because the follicle loses the ability to add pigment as the hair grows. So, if Adam's follicles were aging, his visible hair would stay the same color because it had pigment when it left his scalp.
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BTW, if Adam's power really was holding back 400 years of aging instead of just regenerating him to yesterday's age every day, then Adam would have died if he ever had his power nulled (not even stolen) for a minute, for instance by someone like the Haitian.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 23, 2008, 12:56:01 AM
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Quote from: stumpy on October 23, 2008, 12:17:14 AMBTW, if Adam's power really was holding back 400 years of aging instead of just regenerating him to yesterday's age every day, then Adam would have died if he ever had his power nulled (not even stolen) for a minute, for instance by someone like the Haitian.
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I have a theory...

[spoiler]Perhaps the Haitian's power only suspends the owners use of said power. This would explain why the Haitian could suspend the use and Poptrelli can take them permanently.[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Conduit on October 23, 2008, 08:43:12 AM
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I've heard some theories that the Haitian can only prevent the use of active powers.  So, for instance, he can stop Elle from shooting out lightning or Sylar from using telekinesis, but he can't stop Ted when he's losing control (see Company Man from season 1).  I have no idea how well that theory has held up, but it would at least explain why Adam didn't lose his regeneration and die whenever he got close to the Haitian.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2008, 10:42:29 AM
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Except he did block Peter's regeneration in the future, but Peter is a little different.  Or rather, was.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 23, 2008, 03:52:19 PM
[spoiler]Technically regeneration isn't Peter's power.  You stop his ability to 'mimic' you stop everything with him.  The Haitian seams to suppress active usage of abilities by some form of broadcast mental manipulation. Even though the powers are suppressed... any previous physiological benefits of the power would remain.

And if that don't make sense... ehhh... its sci-fi... not sci-fact... just roll with it.

I'm more interested in identifying the four faces the precog had painted as the villains.  Petrilli is obvious... the fear guy and the other convict speedy freed are pretty clear too....... but who was the guy on the upper right?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 23, 2008, 04:14:44 PM
[spoiler]But, if Peter's healing (meaning, indirectly, Claire's) worked like Adam's, then the Haitian stopping it from functioning by any means would have undone the healing as it undid the healing of Adam's aging.

Just another case to consider: When Claire's healing ability was temporarily disabled by that branch in her brain, all of the healing from her other injuries (jumping off of high scaffoldings, etc.) wasn't undone. Ditto for Peter when he had that glass in his head, though I don't recall how extensive his other accumulated healed injuries had been at that point. But Claire had definitely sustained injuries that would be immediately apparent and we didn't see them.

Meanwhile, HRG was brought back from the dead when Claire's blood healed his injuries* I assume that the healing was only active for a short period after the transfusion; in other words, he doesn't still have a healing power. But, if the effects of past healing go away when the power is turned off, then he should be dead again without continuing transfusions.

(*The "healing blood" is another odd thing. If the power to heal is in her blood, then why do certain brain injuries stop her from healing? If she donates some blood and then takes another stick through the skull, would her blood still heal someone else while she was out? And, assuming it would, then why wouldn't it heal her? I suppose her blood could activate the recipient's brain in a way that causes them to heal. That way, only recipients with uninjured brains would heal. Though, even that is sorta weak considering HRG died of a bullet to the head...)

Of course, there's no proof that Adam's power works the same way Claire's does. But, I really don't like the idea that his healing was some sort of weird temporal power that was actively reversing the effects of all the damage he had accumulated over his life. As little as it appeals to me, I would much prefer that Poptrelli's power is what I originally thought: He can steal powers by touch, but he can also go further and steal general life force if he wants and that's what he chose to do with Adam (for whatever reason) and why he left Peter alive. Honestly, even though I think they really went with a screwy healing model, I am leaving the alternate Poptrelli theory on the table unless the show gives more definitive info.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 23, 2008, 05:25:52 PM
 :blink:  [spoiler]Stumpy.... I suggest to just roll with it.  No show will ever give you absolute and scientific explanation for all things which are impossible as we know them.  That limits the writers ability to develop the characters.  Its kinda how when Marvel made the mistake of saying 'x' character can lift 'y' amount.... then every time a writer made character ''x' exceed 'y' amount for story purposes... readers complained. 

Most things are done for dramatic effect over scientific reason.  All that can be done is to speculate and even then you're probably thinking more about the hows and whys than the writers them selves.  Almost every power on the show can be dissected and nit picked to death if you try to apply sci-fact to how they work.

It really doesn't matter to much how and why... but for dramatic effect it was cool to see adam get sucked dry... instantly age and turn to dust[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 23, 2008, 05:36:55 PM
[spoiler]I have to agree with Stumpy.  The "dramatic effect" isn't enough to hide the whole healing thing for me.  It stops us from putting rules into the universe that the story operates in if the logic is inconsistent.  Having consistent rules in the universe a writer creates is what makes the story interesting.  If you don't believe me then read some Shakespeare..hehe.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 23, 2008, 08:08:36 PM
[spoiler]Yeah I'm not happy they just killed Adam like that. Seemed like a waste and a tease. Plus instead of this confusing rapid aging thing, couldn't they have just shot him? That'd show that his powers are gone, killed him off, and then you can still show Papa Petrelli heal. Same result less fuss. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 23, 2008, 08:14:48 PM
[spoiler]Once again, thalaw2 makes my point.

HQ, I certainly don't expect any kind of scientific purity from my sci-fi shows. I can live with Elle being able to direct arcs of electricity through the air, her father being able to add mass to the universe, etc. My baseline assumption for watching a show like this is that such things are possible.

But, it does bug me a little when things aren't consistent even within the show. Part of the fun of a show featuring super powers is figuring out what the powers are doing. Regeneration isn't such a wild leap, since humans already heal and plenty of animals do it to a greater extent than we do. All Claire and Adam (and Linderman) add to the concept is speed, which is fine.

And, I can handle the idea that Adam's regen works differently than Claire's, if it worked in some way that made sense. And, I don't mean real, scientific sense. I just mean, sort of pseudo-scientific common sense so that we can have the fun of knowing what's going on. If Adam turns to dust when his power is disabled, that seems to mean that his power works differently than Claire's, but it also has some weird implications mentioned before that I don't think fit very well within the show's internal scheme. I agree that there will be some of that by necessity, but here I suspect that they did it just to use a special effect which muddied the water, instead of just killing (now mortal) Adam in any of a thousand ways.

Then again, it's also possible that Poptrelli did something different, as I speculated last time. The show hasn't really ruled that out, though I'm not taking any bets on it. I think that sort of speculation is part of the fun of discussing the episodes.

Anyway, I mentioned at the outset that this was a nitpick. I generally enjoyed the episode. When I was watching, I spent a lot more time being amused by Hiro's antics and thinking about who the other two Big Bads are than worrying about the nature of Adam's demise. I just mentioned it here to see what other people's thoughts are because I enjoy the discussion about that stuff and someone may have an interesting explanation or theory about it.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Part of the problem here, I think, is that the show was so unusually consistent in its first season that even small inconsistencies now just rub certain people who grew to like that they wrong way.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Jakew on October 24, 2008, 02:50:33 AM
I gave up trying to qualify the "logic" of the powers as soon as they introduced a character who gets stronger by "absorbing fear".  :rolleyes: So, I can accept Adam.

The writers are obviously playing fast and loose for the sake of the story. Which isn't a bad thing (Season Three has been an improvement on a few fronts, not the least Sylar actually being an interesting, multi-dimensional character), but I really liked the seeming "reality" and quasi-science of the first season, as opposed to the show becoming even more heavily comic-inspired.

Still enjoying the show, though  :D
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 24, 2008, 04:31:43 AM
[spoiler]I do understand that you said you were nit picking and all... but when you say...

"I can handle the idea that Adam's regen works differently than Claire's, if it worked in some way that made sense. And, I don't mean real, scientific sense. I just mean, sort of pseudo-scientific common sense so that we can have the fun of knowing what's going on."

The fun isn't always in the knowing but in the mystery of guessing. I don't think they will ever get into concrete explanations that make sense.  At least not to every one.  I really feel  the vast majority of those who watch the show don't go into the how and whys so much as they do the end effects.  Sometimes powers are not going to make sense to any one but the person who created the character in the first place.  This is a very 'comic book' way of doing powers.  As soon as you think you know how a chars powers work... the writer throws a new wrinkle in.   In this particular instance, I've seen many... MANY... examples through other sci-fi and comics where someone 'immortal' suddenly loses the ability that was keeping them alive.   The suddenly age to dust thing is not new.  I guess that is why I instantly assumed that he swiped his power and then dust to dust... and just left it at that.

How Adam's and Claire's powers work have been total speculation to this point... is it regeneration?  is it immortality?  Is it something else...?  We already know that powers on the show are not limited to just the mental and physiological manifestations... they delve into time, space and extra dimensional as well.   We also know that a lot of people have secondary powers or their powers haven't developed to their full manifestations yet.  In this case, while both of their blood obviously have healing properties... the blood and even their own healing are likely just secondary effects of greater power yet undefined.  Furthermore... how they actually heal is very up in the air.  Remember... Claire's blood didn't just heal.... it resurrected HRG.  This season Claire's powers have obviously advanced in some way.  She no longer feels pain for instance.  Sylar eluded to the fact he couldn't kill her if he tried.  Mom Petrelli knows Sylar can't be killed because he has her powers.  HRG has said he needs to figure out how to kill Sylar.  My guess is this knowledge comes from dealing with Adam.  Also Mom made it an issue to get Adam in the first place... thus in spite of appearances... I'm not certain we've seen the last of him. 

Another point is instead of focusing on Adam... why not Pops Petrelli.  We are even less sure of the exact nature of his powers.  He obviously is some sort of power or life force leech.  He may have the ability to simply... take what he needs and if he takes everything... dust is all that would remain.  He may well have known that Adam would be a treat so he sucked him ... dry... like dust dry.  Because I'm sure he knew that he only needed his blood to heal.  But Peter is his son still... and thus he just sucked enough to absorb the powers... not enough to kill him.  It looked painful.  And I don't believe that his transfer is permanent.  I would think that a person like him would not have been layed up with the potential for powers he may have had through out the years.

Also Petrilli didn't mind force Adam to grab his hand.  He gave him some sort of mental impression that made him scarred (like I'm about to suck you dry)... a powered up fearboy grabbed Adam and forced him to Petrelli and he then grabbed Adams wrist.

I can say that they have been consistently inconsistent.

Daphne is another curiosity.  When Hiro tried to time freeze her before... all he did was slow her up.   This time he was able to actually freeze her while he made preparations for their charade.  Of course some one who buys a trick sword will get a rude surprise.  Also Daphne must be able to transfer speed as well... seeing as I don't think she could carry the guy she freed on her back... and they both speed out of there.

And how in the heck did they manage to keep people prisoner in Section 5 so long...?  It looks like a pretty easy place to get in and out of.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 24, 2008, 07:28:27 AM
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I think we agree on quite a bit of this.

Quote from: House Quake on October 24, 2008, 04:31:43 AMThe fun isn't always in the knowing but in the mystery of guessing.
It's in both, IMO. The guessing is fun in coming up with a theory of how something works based on observations from the show. Just like in real life, nothing is 100%; when you have a theory that seems to consistently explain what you are seeing, you call that knowledge, but it's always subject to revision if it doesn't explain new observations. The problem is when new observations seem to require too much of a wacky theory to explain them.

For instance, the operating theory for Claire's power has been pretty straightforward. She heals like many animals do, only to a greater extent and very fast. The coming-back-from-the-dead thing seems sorta out there at first, but it's not so much of a stretch when you consider that the cellular decay that keeps things dead in the real world doesn't really apply to her because of her power.

I think most of us were using that same theory to explain Adam. But, if he disintegrated because his healing was gone, then now they writers seem to be saying that all the damage he had taken over the years (and aging is just damage) was somehow still hanging around him and waiting for his power to fail. To me, that seems more magical than pseudo-scientific and magic-based super powers aren't really the premise of the show. That's why I prefer the idea that what happened to him is more an artifact of what Poptrelli can do than of Adam's healing power just being gone.

Quote from: House Quake on October 24, 2008, 04:31:43 AMIn this particular instance, I've seen many... MANY... examples through other sci-fi and comics where someone 'immortal' suddenly loses the ability that was keeping them alive.   The suddenly age to dust thing is not new.  I guess that is why I instantly assumed that he swiped his power and then dust to dust... and just left it at that.
It's very common in magical characters or in stories where rapid aging takes place because a lot of time is passing for that character at once. It's not really common for characters with genetically accelerated healing.

Quote from: House Quake on October 24, 2008, 04:31:43 AMAnother point is instead of focusing on Adam... why not Pops Petrelli.  We are even less sure of the exact nature of his powers.  He obviously is some sort of power or life force leech.  He may have the ability to simply... take what he needs and if he takes everything... dust is all that would remain.  He may well have known that Adam would be a treat so he sucked him ... dry... like dust dry.  Because I'm sure he knew that he only needed his blood to heal.  But Peter is his son still... and thus he just sucked enough to absorb the powers... not enough to kill him.
I think we are on exactly the same page there. :)  To wit,
Quote from: stumpy on October 23, 2008, 04:14:44 PMI would much prefer that Poptrelli's power is what I originally thought: He can steal powers by touch, but he can also go further and steal general life force if he wants and that's what he chose to do with Adam (for whatever reason) and why he left Peter alive.


BTW, I am sort of interested if they are consistent with Claire's not-feeling-pain bit. It seemed like a convenient accessory to her emotional storyline. I have a feeling that they will bring back a pain reaction to some injuries because it looks weird on camera to see someone get hurt and have no reaction to it. And, let's face it, despite what she said, she never really felt that much pain anyway, otherwise she wouldn't have been throwing herself off of buildings, cutting off her own toe, or smiling as she walks out of a house with severe radiation burns on her face.


Good point that apparently Hiro can now stop time completely enough to fool even Daphne. Or, possibly, she isn't always in super speed mode as she was when they first met. Maybe she has to have her power "turned on" to be able to interact with Hiro's "ultra slow-mo" time stoppage.

And, I forgot already where Daphne moved someone else at super speed. When was that?


Good point on the "security" on Level 5. At one point, I thought that Primatech had some device or whatever that created sort of a "Haitian Effect" by nulling the powers of the prisoners. It seemed like in season one we saw prisoners unable to use their powers even when they weren't doped up and when the Haitian wasn't (or didn't seem to be) nearby. But, now we have seen people in Level Five using their powers (notably Peter) and it wasn't during a power failure or anything like that. So I am not sure what is going on there, or what was supposed to be going on in season one.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 24, 2008, 07:40:24 AM
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QuoteGood point that apparently Hiro can now stop time completely enough to fool even Daphne. Or, possibly, she isn't always in super speed mode as she was when they first met. Maybe she has to have her power "turned on" to be able to interact with Hiro's "ultra slow-mo" time stoppage.
I will point out that even the scene where she broke the time freeze, Hiro still had her frozen at first, even her speed wake was frozen in time until she apparently noticed him moving around very fast and sped herself up to interact with him.  Hiro didn't have time frozen nearly that long this time so she likely didn't even notice.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 24, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
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Quote from: stumpy on October 24, 2008, 07:28:27 AM
And, I forgot already where Daphne moved someone else at super speed. When was that?

When she goes to break out Sylar and he refuses to go... she zips into the cell to get the 'blue flame' throwing guy and 'they' speed away. 

I'm now wondering if her power is actually superspeed and she has the ability to 'lend' speed as well.  Or is it a variance of Hiro's power in that she isn't completely freezing time or teleporting instantly through time and space like Hiro can... but rather 'warping' time and space around herself and anyone she touches inside of that field to move outside normal space........... ie hyperspace or warp 1 Scotty.  I actually believe this is more the case since when they did interact the first time... she wasn't running... but rather standing there talking to hiro.

I know some people surmised that Hiro doesn't completely freeze time... but I think he still does .... with her warp field up... she was traveling out side of time space.  It was enough for Hiro to perceive her

All theory... but just more example of powers that make you go... hmmmm...???   :banghead: [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 24, 2008, 07:25:59 PM
Hiro can freeze time, but there is time within time.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 28, 2008, 09:28:31 AM
Well,

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Sylar seems wierdly inconsistent to me.  First he's completely devoted to Mom, then turns against her as soon as Dad tell him too.  Now there might be some evidence he showed him which might make that clear.

The part I can't get, though, is Sylar rushing in to save Peter only to try to kill Peter by tossing him out a window.  The scene between Sylar and Popa P. seems to indicate that it was Poppa who saved Peter.  I would rather Peter be right and it be the other way around as it would be at least more consistent.

This power stealing ability seems in some ways a convenient way for the writers to remove boxes they have/will write themself into.  Both Titans of the Heroes world on the same side?  Take his powers away and give them to a bad guy.  Need to get rid of Maya and end her storyline?  Have him take her powers.  Want to get rid of Adam after having built him up as unkill-able?  He's the solution to that too.  I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that he may have been given the power just for the convience of the writers.  On the other hand, on power collector being the father of the other two does seem to make a sort of sense.

Also, is Papa's story about Sylar really the truth?  I have my doubts, although it is at least plausable.

Why I like having a rival Company around, it seems like nearly everyone's going over to the new side.  I'd rather see a more or less even split.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 10:55:33 AM
[spoiler]Is it just me or are they wiping out all the season 2 characters? Bob Bishop, Parkman's dad, Adam. Got a bad feeling about Elle and Maya. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 28, 2008, 11:03:27 AM
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It looks like Maya's gone anyway.  She may not be dead, but she's out of the show.

Elle wasn't in the future group, so you may have a point there.

Also, I'm thinking Claire may have been saved from her dark future self in this ep.  Peter was brought there by a chain of events caused by time traveling, so his falling kept her from entering the building and joining Pinehearst.  It is very possible that future for her has already been changed.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 11:11:40 AM
[spoiler]Yeah but is Maya gone gone? She's on the main cast, seems odd to only use her (sparingly) in the first seven episodes.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 28, 2008, 02:04:39 PM
Ok, got to see maybe 10 minutes of the  ending last night. Can someone do a summary of what happened last night?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 28, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
[spoiler]I don't buy for one bit that Sylar has 'turned' against Mom Petrelli so easily.  If one thing has been consistent about him and that is he is pretty bright and has shown the ability to fool people to gain their confidence.  I don't see any difference now.  And I'm reasonably certain Sylar did what he came to do.... save Peter.  But with Peter powerless and/or Gabriel's desire to control his hunger... he may want to hang around Arthur for ulterior reasons.

I also believe that we are seeing some people bite the bullet or lose powers... but ultimately a lot of what has happened may get erased.  Hiro's story seams to be flirting with the idea of him going back in time.  So a few of Arthur Petrelli's actions may ultimately get erased. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 28, 2008, 06:45:23 PM
[spoiler]I agree with HQ about Sylar and Poptrelli. I didn't see anything to indicate that it wasn't Sylar who saved Peter, although either one of them could have done it. But, Sylar is smart and he knows that Poptrelli has mind-reading ability via Peter, so Sylar should want to avoid looking suspicious and being found out. And, the dialogue between Sylar and Poptrelli after the fall already made it seem like Poptrelli was hinting that he knew Sylar saved Peter.

We don't know what the limits on Poptrelli are so far. Can he use more than one power at a time? Was he correct in that the powers he steals are necessarily gone for good? Can he steal powers like the Haitian's, which AFAIK Peter never picked up? Does he have all the abilities that Peter (and others) had or just the ones Peter exhibited in his presence? If he got all of them (including flight, mind-reading, and Hiro's powers), he really is pretty godlike at this point.

It's just and observation, but the existence of characters like Poptrelli, Peter, and Sylar really increases the value of someone like the Haitian.

The question I had last time remains, about how the level 5 prisoners are prevented from using their powers. And, there's a new wrinkle in that it apparently doesn't work on Sylar now, and maybe not on Momtrelli either, though it's tough to tell if it should have affected her, since she was dream projecting and not physically there.

I am really curious what hold Poptrelli has over Daphne. Why bother sending Mr. Fear to harass Matt and Daphne just to gain Matt's confidence? It seems like she already had it after she aborted the "hit" on him.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
[spoiler]Yeah the Haitian could be the game breaker here. Is his power always active or does he have to use it? I want to say it's always active. If so is it possible for Poptrelli or Peter to take his powers?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 28, 2008, 09:00:44 PM
[spoiler]
QuoteDoes he have all the abilities that Peter (and others) had or just the ones Peter exhibited in his presence?
He used telekinesis a couple of times this episode, which Peter did not use in his presence.  Besides, he wasn't using any of them when he hugged Poppa.  Also Poppa himself said he all of Peter's powers, at least that's the way I heard it.

Which leads to the question, if powers are based on blood chemistry, as Suresh said, then does that mean that the formula would restore Peter's original power?  I'm kind of surprised he didn't escape AFTER he was injected.

QuoteYeah the Haitian could be the game breaker here. Is his power always active or does he have to use it? I want to say it's always active.
I don't know how official this is, but in his origin comic, he couldn't seem to shut it off even when it was causing several problems for his father.  Of course, he was a lot younger then.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on October 28, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
[spoiler]I think the Haitian's power is primarily passive. Back in season one, it was blocking Matt from reading minds when he and that fed (Clea DuVall) were stacking out Primatech and the Haitian didn't know Matt was there.

(A worthwhile note on that scene was that Matt was eventually able to penetrate the nulling power, at least a little...)

But, I guess that doesn't mean that the Haitian can't increase or focus the power deliberately, as he does his mind-wipe power.

Also, Claire's power has been shown to be passive (it heals her even when she isn't concentrating on it) and Peter absorbed that, so passive powers can be absorbed. And, we don't know that Poptrelli's power is limited in the same way that Peter's is.

I would think that it's sort of the nature of the Haitian's power that makes it unabsorbable, if it is. Sort of how you can't grab hold of a vacuum.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: stumpy on October 28, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
[spoiler]
I would think that it's sort of the nature of the Haitian's power that makes it unabsorbable, if it is. Sort of how you can't grab hold of a vacuum.[/spoiler]


[spoiler]Yeah I didn't mean to say that because he's power was active it couldn't be absorb. The Haitian neutralizes powers, and if it's always active then anyone who comes into range would lose their abilities. So Peter and Poptrelli shouldn't be able to absorb powers. And I would say Sylar wouldn't be able to either since he couldn't use his ability to understand their brain.

Also presumably the Haitian would be one of the few capable of killing anyone with one of those unbeatable healing factors (Claire, Adam, Sylar, Poptrelli, and Peter). Unless the healing power would just kick in once he left.

Actually mentioning the brain makes me wonder, what is the source of these powers? Is it blood brain, or what? I'm not too worried about it but it's just a curiosity. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mystik on October 28, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: stumpy on October 28, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
[spoiler]
I would think that it's sort of the nature of the Haitian's power that makes it unabsorbable, if it is. Sort of how you can't grab hold of a vacuum.[/spoiler]


[spoiler]Yeah I didn't mean to say that because he's power was active it couldn't be absorb. The Haitian neutralizes powers, and if it's always active then anyone who comes into range would lose their abilities. So Peter and Poptrelli shouldn't be able to absorb powers. And I would say Sylar wouldn't be able to either since he couldn't use his ability to understand their brain.

Also presumably the Haitian would be one of the few capable of killing anyone with one of those unbeatable healing factors (Claire, Adam, Sylar, Poptrelli, and Peter). Unless the healing power would just kick in once he left.

Actually mentioning the brain makes me wonder, what is the source of these powers? Is it blood brain, or what? I'm not too worried about it but it's just a curiosity. [/spoiler]


I just tell myself that its the brain that tells the body how to produce superpowered blood
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 28, 2008, 10:55:29 PM
[spoiler]think I mentioned it in a post before.  In season one... in the presence of he Haitian... Nathan flew away.  So I'm not inclined to think that hs power is passive at all or works all of the time.  He can definitely broadcast it as a general defense.. but he may be able to focus it so that it can effect only one person and turn it off totally if he wills it.  Not entirely sure.

The thing about Peter is that he seams to mimic both active and passive powers... but with the exception of a few powers which activated instinctively or were a little out of control when he first got them.... having the power does not mean he knows how to use the power.. or how to use it as well as the person he got it from.  Nor does it mean he even knows he has the power.  Seeing a person use the power in his presence of course helps him to access the power caiuse he knows what the nature of the power is.  For instance,  I'm sure he always had Sylars ability... but just never knew how to access it.

I am also sure he has the Haitians base ability... but he doesn't know it.  But even if he did.. he probably only has the Haitians ability at its rawest form.   IIRC they said the Haitians base ability when discovered as a child was the power to manipulate memories.  And like Parkman's for example his power likely grew.  

Another note on Arthur Petrelli... there is no evidence how and or when he gained TK.  And I think that it would be a very wise limit on him if he has to pretty much know what it is he is absorbing as far as the active powers go.  i'm pretty sure if he knew he had Matts telepathy, Hiro's time/space abilities along with  mom Petrelli's and Isaac's precognition....... he would use it!  As of right now.... he probably knows he took Peter's mimic powers and the power Peter displayed while in his presence..... but doesn't know what he has past that or how to access the powers.
[/spoiler]  
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on October 29, 2008, 10:18:53 AM
[spoiler]
Concerning The Haitian, I always considered it to be an active power, because of when Nathan flew away in Season 1.

Also, I'm of the opinion that the power suppression is an extension of his memory loss ability, like he makes the target's brain temporarily "forget" how to use the power. But that's neither here nor there.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on October 29, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
When Nathan flew away from the Haitian he may just have been out of range - we don't have firm evidence of how far is power extends or can extend out from him.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 29, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
But, he negated both Daphne and Hiro when he was coming to get the serum. He didn't even know they were there.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on October 29, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Perhaps this is just a case of the writers changing how things work 2 years later? I dunno.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 29, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 29, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Perhaps this is just a case of the writers changing how things work 2 years later? I dunno.

-MJB

That's exactly the problem with the show...the powers aren't consistent.  [spoiler]Why did Pophave to touch Maya to take her power...if has Peter's powers couldn't he have done it just by being in her vicinity?  [/spoiler]

I find that I'm enjoying Knight Rider more than Heroes now....
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Gremlin on October 29, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 29, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: MJB on October 29, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Perhaps this is just a case of the writers changing how things work 2 years later? I dunno.

-MJB

That's exactly the problem with the show...the powers aren't consistent.  [spoiler]Why did Pophave to touch Maya to take her power...if has Peter's powers couldn't he have done it just by being in her vicinity?  [/spoiler]

I find that I'm enjoying Knight Rider more than Heroes now....

[spoiler]He can mimic her powers by being near her, but he can't remove the powers from her unless he touches her. Which is what he wanted.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 29, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: Talavar on October 29, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
When Nathan flew away from the Haitian he may just have been out of range - we don't have firm evidence of how far is power extends or can extend out from him.

The Haitian was standing right in front of him then..whoosh.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 29, 2008, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 29, 2008, 05:51:55 PM


That's exactly the problem with the show...the powers aren't consistent.  [spoiler]Why did Pophave to touch Maya to take her power...if has Peter's powers couldn't he have done it just by being in her vicinity?  [/spoiler]

I find that I'm enjoying Knight Rider more than Heroes now....

[spoiler]Its how his powers work specifically.  He touches and apparently absorbs them... completely.  Not just mimc like Peter.   The point at the time was to absorb them in order to sway Molhinder to stay and help.

Also we still don't know the full extent of how his powers work.  Assuming we ever will.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 29, 2008, 10:31:40 PM
As to The Hatian, we've already seen several characters be able, with enough effort, to break through his or other forms of power blocking, the only exception being the virus, which was the whole point of having it.

Nathan, in an extreme moment of stress, may just have broken through the blocking.  It would have only taken a second for him to get out of range anyway.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on October 30, 2008, 04:22:02 AM
So, why are the Pettrelli boys so impatient and headstrong? Seriously, Nathans gonna go busting down the door?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on October 30, 2008, 07:01:33 AM
Maybe the Haitian can't block synthetic powers?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on October 30, 2008, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: thanoson on October 30, 2008, 04:22:02 AM
So, why are the Pettrelli boys so impatient and headstrong? Seriously, Nathans gonna go busting down the door?

Look at thier mama and daddy.  :cool:
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 02, 2008, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Podmark on October 28, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Actually mentioning the brain makes me wonder, what is the source of these powers? Is it blood brain, or what? I'm not too worried about it but it's just a curiosity.

According to the Heroes Alternate Reality Game it's the adrenal glands. This was stated in a recent feature, Mohinder's Journal,  that was added to coincide with the recent episodes.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Conduit on November 02, 2008, 12:34:02 PM
As far as the Haitian goes, I believe that it works like this: his "power supression field" is on by default, but he can turn it off if he wants, or even allow certain abilities while blocking others (see FYG from season 1, where he keeps Hiro from teleporting but allows Matt to read his mind).  So it's sort of both passive and active.  When Nathan flew away in his presence in Season 1, the Haitian may have let Nathan go out of loyalty to Angela Petrelli.  Or it could have been part of the plan (Linderman was running the Company at that point, and the attempted kidnapping might have been to confirm his ability had manifested, or just get him out of the room, or something).

Of course, I doubt the writers are thinking about these things in this kind of detail, but it's fun to try to figure out how things work.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on November 02, 2008, 09:05:49 PM
Loeb and Alexander are out:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18664
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on November 03, 2008, 06:39:57 AM
I'll reserve judgment until I see who replaces them, but my first reaction is "uh-oh".
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 03, 2008, 08:03:47 AM
The series is in trouble, and this is NBC's attempt to try to fix what used to be their greatest success and cash cow in many years.

Ratings for the third season are at an all-time low, and apparently fans are still whining about the direction of the show.  I think they'll whine anyways.  Season 2 was too similar to 1 and 3 is too different, so they just can't win.  In any case NBC is not happy with the way the show is going, so they suits are getting rid of these folks in an attempt to salvage the show.  They've already finished work on Volume 3, however, so don't expect any changes until volume 4 in January.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on November 09, 2008, 05:15:13 AM
I was sitting in my favorite thinking room....taking care of bidness...when something crossed my mind.  If Poptrelli can drain powers then use them as his own then why would he be able to drain the same power twice?  [spoiler]For example, if he got healing from Adam why would he also take it from Peter?  Likewise, if he has Peter's ability to mimic powers in the vicinity then how could he "re-acquire" Maya's power? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on November 09, 2008, 01:26:57 PM
[spoiler]Maybe he can still use his draining power on characters with powers he already has, but he still only gets the power once, or maybe it enhances it for him in some way.

I mean, we really know next to nothing about the details of Poptrelli's power. On top of the earlier discussion of whether he can also drain more general life force as well as specific powers, he may even be able to drain a power without absorbing it himself.

BTW, that's something I would like to see explored with the character as he is eventually defeated. I mean, we haven't seen too many yet, but it's certainly possible that someone could have a power that would be a huge disadvantage. The good guys, if they ever start acting the part, could trick Poptrelli into absorbing a disadvantageous power that he can't turn off. Maybe the power makes the character a ghost, or makes everyone in the room (including allies) hate him, or makes him vulnerable to air, or whatever.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Sgt. Friday on November 09, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
Something that just hit me the other day....

[spoiler]
Whatever happened to that Muscle Memory girl from Vol. 2? Last I remember, she was tied up in a basement on fire.
I kinda liked her, and thought that she could have had some really good potential as a character, at very minimum, being one of the few characters who actually "liked" have powers (ok, Hiro does, but most of the other characters either hate their power, or just don't seem to care).[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 09, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
[spoiler]
Niki died pulling her out at the end of Season 2.  Presumably she's still alive and taking care of Micah.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 11, 2008, 09:42:03 AM
So basically, this whole episode was one giant retcon.  Not that I particularly mind.

One thing I didn't like, though

[spoiler]They killed Africa Isaac!  Noooooo![/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on November 12, 2008, 03:34:06 AM
A good episode that left a lot of questions....as always for me. 
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on November 12, 2008, 11:39:30 AM
[spoiler]I wondered where they were going with all that background information. I still don't really know how much of it was necessary or relevant, except of course the stuff about Pops' story. I already felt bad for Sylar. And I'm not really worried about anyone's powers. They'll all get them back somehow or there's no show. I'm looking forward to a showdown between Nathan and Father (I can't remember his name!), I hope its not disappointing. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 12, 2008, 09:30:53 PM
One possible implication of this episode:

[spoiler]
The powers he uses in the flashback are identical to Matt and his father. (possibly the Hatian too) This may indicate that the power loss caused by his taking powers is only temporary. Of course, he may have just stolen from someone similar to Maury.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mystik on November 12, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
also to note

[spoiler]Sylars powers were described by HRG as the ability to transfer powers from one vessel to another[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on November 12, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: Mystik on November 12, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
also to note

[spoiler]Sylars powers were described by HRG as the ability to transfer powers from one vessel to another[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I think he was saying that in more general terms. He knew Sylar had stolen powers from someone else but not how, so he was currently assuming that was what his power was. It's still the ability to understand how things work. I do think it is very possible for him to give others powers just as he does himself though. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on November 17, 2008, 08:09:30 PM
Not much time for a synopsis of tonight's episode, but I will say that, if I didn't know better, it looks like they're trying to wrap up the series.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on November 17, 2008, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: The Hitman on November 17, 2008, 08:09:30 PM
Not much time for a synopsis of tonight's episode, but I will say that, if I didn't know better, it looks like they're trying to wrap up the series.

I doubt it. These episodes would have been filmed a while ago and after firing Loeb and Alexander I expect they're planning to retool and give the show one last shot.

It wouldn't make sense to fire two core writers if you were just going to wrap things up shortly anyways.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 17, 2008, 09:54:31 PM
No, they definitely want to save the show if they can.  It was too popular season one. It actually managed to beat the 24 premiere that year.

So, yeah, worth saving, if they can.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: GhostMachine on November 18, 2008, 05:51:28 AM
I think I'm kind of over Heroes. I saw all of season one and missed maybe two episodes of season two, but this season I've more or less quit watching. Missed the one where future Peter took Peter into the future, only saw the last ten minutes or so of last week's, and didn't bother watching this week's episode and have no plans to catch the re-run on G4.

The writing has gotten a bit stupid - Mohinder's behavior regarding wanting powers made no sense, and now I guess he's a rip-off of the Fly - and I hope the cannings lead to vast improvements.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on November 18, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 17, 2008, 09:54:31 PM
No, they definitely want to save the show if they can.  It was too popular season one. It actually managed to beat the 24 premiere that year.

So, yeah, worth saving, if they can.

Oh, I know. I just meant that if I were a casual viewer, with little to no comic book background, the low ratings, the writer layoffs, and the way the story is progressing (no spoilers), I'd start to suspect the show is headding for the chopping block.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 18, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Well, I'm still enjoying the show at least.

[spoiler]
Any thoughts on Gabriel's new way of taking powers?  His real power is kind of vaguely defined anyway, and since it is figuring out how something works and fixing things, I guess I can see the whole empathy thing.  It's just a different way of figuring out how it's working.

The two sides are drawn, which I like.  We now have our two parallel teams, with child Hiro out of the game for now.  The actor said another version of Future Hiro would appear, so I'm wondering if he'll come along to help his younger self.  What I don't get is why Papa didn't take Hiro's powers away.  He may already have them through Peter, but making sure Hiro can't intervene wouldn't be a bad thing.  Even being rendered childlike isn't a real solution, and Matt could potentially fix that anyway.

Is it me, or is depowered Peter doing a Batman thing now?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on November 18, 2008, 10:18:21 AM
I'm enjoying it too. What I gave was actually my dad's take on the series right now.

[spoiler]
I kind of like Gabe's new way of using his ability. I'd wager a bet that Poptrelli's was at one time more similar to Gabe's "hunger" than Pete's "just think about the person that uses the power," if that makes any sense.

I like the way the teams are split no as well. But where does HRG and... I can't think of her name, the fire lady, fit? What about Claude? He has to show up at some point. And Micah et al in Louisiana? Hiro being regressed to a kid is hilarious.

And do you know what I'd like to see? A flashback to when the "original" team was together. Or at least see Richard Roundtree come back for n episode.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 18, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
QuoteAnd do you know what I'd like to see? A flashback to when the "original" team was together.

If you mean the Company founders, that was part of the canceled Volume, and the writers pretty much said it is never going to happen now.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on November 18, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 18, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
QuoteAnd do you know what I'd like to see? A flashback to when the "original" team was together.

If you mean the Company founders, that was part of the canceled Volume, and the writers pretty much said it is never going to happen now.

Well, that's a bummer.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on November 19, 2008, 06:05:29 AM
Someone want to have a go at fanwaking Poptrellis motivations in the last episode?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 25, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
Nothing shocking this episode, but interesting.

[spoiler]
Somebody wondered about invulnerability as a power, now we find out about The Hatian's brother, who has that exact power.  Well, invulnerable skin, anyways.

HRG teaching Claire was good.  10-year-old Hiro is still a hoot.  I also really loved that scene in the comic book store.  I have to wonder where all these new issues are coming from, though.  We know Isaac had some done before his death, but they would have likely all been out by now, at least, I would think they would.

Anyway, my bit of speculation: when the eclipse effect is over, Peter's powers will reset, allowing him to absorb abilities over again.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on November 25, 2008, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 18, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
QuoteAnd do you know what I'd like to see? A flashback to when the "original" team was together.

If you mean the Company founders, that was part of the canceled Volume, and the writers pretty much said it is never going to happen now.

From this week's 'Behind the Eclipse' (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931)...

Quote"Will we ever get to actually see the stories you guys had intended for Season 2, like the '1977' episode you guys keep mentioning?"

Not this season. But, there is a chance that we will see it after the "Fugitives" arc. In the Meantime, please direct all letters to Michael Green, c/o "Kings."

For those who are confused, the proposed "1977" would have been about the Company founders.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 25, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
[spoiler]Anyway, my bit of speculation: when the eclipse effect is over, Peter's powers will reset, allowing him to absorb abilities over again.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]The only problem I have with that is that Peter showed some powers in the future that he had absorbed from currently dead characters. If they hit the 'reset' button he won't have those powers any longer. Aside from re-introducing all new characters with the exact same powers I don't know how they'll fill that gap. That being said this wouldn't be the first time the Heroes writers left a loop hole.[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on November 25, 2008, 09:26:32 AM
Actually, it would not be a loophole.

[spoiler]It's been said that "everything has changed" since Peter came back and altered things.  Angela has mentioned this, Arthur has and Peter has.  My guess is that Peter will get his base power back but not until "The Fugitives" storyarc and not simply as a result of the Eclipse having passed. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 25, 2008, 09:42:50 AM
I agree with Hamrick

[spoiler]Any inconsistencies between the future timeline and the current one can simply be assumed to be the Butterfly Effect in action.  I. E.  You change one thing, you change everything.  So just assume in the original future timeline, Peter did not have all his abilities stolen by Pop.

Also, consider that if Peter does regain his original abilities, he may be able to re-absorb all the powers he once had from Pop.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Dr.Volt on November 25, 2008, 01:28:38 PM
[spoiler]I rather hope that after the eclipse clear that there are some significant differences that occur.  For example, it would be nice to see Sylar's powers, for example altered significantly and not be so uber powerful.  He served the role of the arch baddy...but now that they are changing his role in the story it seems fitting to alter his powers as well.  And it would be nice if Saresh would just disappear all together!  Ha!

Oh, btw, the best line from the week before last's episode was:

Hiro: Captain America died! Spider-Man revealed his secret identity! And the Hulk is red!?[/spoiler]

Btw, do we know what happened to the girl with muscle memory powers from New Orleans???  Last I remember she was in a scrape with some gang toughs...and then....I just don't remember.  I liked the concept for her character.  Just seemed like she had potential.

Oh...has anyone watched the Santiago storyline (y'know the hero created with audience input) on the Heroes web page?  Is it any good?  Yay or nay?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 25, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
QuoteBtw, do we know what happened to the girl with muscle memory powers from New Orleans???  Last I remember she was in a scrape with some gang toughs...and then....I just don't remember.  I liked the concept for her character.  Just seemed like she had potential.

After spending an entire season doing absolutely nothing useful, Niki pulls her out of a fire, and she presumably is taking care of Micah.  Her powers have potential, but the character just did not.  Maybe she'll come back at a later time.

Quotey'know the hero created with audience input

You mean a couple of really vague options to choose from that are so vague that the writers can still make the character whatever they want no matter what choices were made?  Yeah, some input.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Dr.Volt on November 25, 2008, 04:47:11 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 25, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
QuoteBtw, do we know what happened to the girl with muscle memory powers from New Orleans???  Last I remember she was in a scrape with some gang toughs...and then....I just don't remember.  I liked the concept for her character.  Just seemed like she had potential.

After spending an entire season doing absolutely nothing useful, Niki pulls her out of a fire, and she presumably is taking care of Micah.  Her powers have potential, but the character just did not.  Maybe she'll come back at a later time.

Quotey'know the hero created with audience input

You mean a couple of really vague options to choose from that are so vague that the writers can still make the character whatever they want no matter what choices were made?  Yeah, some input.

LOL!  That's kind of what I thought!  Thanks for reply Cat!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on November 26, 2008, 02:10:04 AM
I am still very much liking this show.  But from the interviews in 'Behind the Eclipse' am I the only one here who noticed...
[spoiler]
When someone asked them about what Arthur brain wiping Hiro...
"It was not Arthur's intent to turn Hiro into a 10-year-old. Arthur was in the process of using the Haitian's ability to mind-wipe all the things Hiro learned from his spirit walk in the "Villains" episode."

Ummm... if Arthur was using the Haitian's ability... and we know for the most part... the Haitian still has his abilities... wouldn't that indicate that Arthur's absorption power isn't permanent?  The powers can be returned somehow?

Or that he maybe using another power to suppress the abilities which can be undone?  Maybe a power similar to the Haitians which requires touch?

Arthur is certainly worried about the Haitian and has shown no signs of having the Haitian's 'null power' field.  i know for certain the Haitian's original power was the memory manipulation... he had that as a kid.  This is probably when Arthur absorbed his powers... ie before he developed the power null thing.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The_Baroness on November 26, 2008, 04:58:18 AM
or got it from peter.... like isaac's painting....
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on November 26, 2008, 05:33:20 AM
Quote from: House Quake on November 26, 2008, 02:10:04 AM
I am still very much liking this show.  But from the interviews in 'Behind the Eclipse' am I the only one here who noticed...
[spoiler]
When someone asked them about what Arthur brain wiping Hiro...
"It was not Arthur's intent to turn Hiro into a 10-year-old. Arthur was in the process of using the Haitian's ability to mind-wipe all the things Hiro learned from his spirit walk in the "Villains" episode."

Ummm... if Arthur was using the Haitian's ability... and we know for the most part... the Haitian still has his abilities... wouldn't that indicate that Arthur's absorption power isn't permanent?  The powers can be returned somehow?

Or that he maybe using another power to suppress the abilities which can be undone?  Maybe a power similar to the Haitians which requires touch?

Arthur is certainly worried about the Haitian and has shown no signs of having the Haitian's 'null power' field.  i know for certain the Haitian's original power was the memory manipulation... he had that as a kid.  This is probably when Arthur absorbed his powers... ie before he developed the power null thing.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]There are many ways for this to happen.... Arthur could have traveled back in time to a point when the Haitian wasn't using his abilities, then used Peter's ability to get the power just be being around the guy....then travel back to the present to mind wipe Hiro.   Likewise he could have traveled to the future to do the same thing.

Let's see what the writers go with.  I hope it's not too lame.
[/spoiler]

This last episode is saving the season for me.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on November 27, 2008, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on November 26, 2008, 05:33:20 AM
[spoiler]There are many ways for this to happen.... Arthur could have traveled back in time to a point when the Haitian wasn't using his abilities, then used Peter's ability to get the power just be being around the guy....then travel back to the present to mind wipe Hiro.   Likewise he could have traveled to the future to do the same thing.

Let's see what the writers go with.  I hope it's not too lame.
[/spoiler]

This last episode is saving the season for me.
[spoiler]
As far as how he got the Haitians power to mind wipe... I'm just going to assume the easiest route that we know of which was that the Haitian had been with the company since he was a boy and the mind wiping was his original ability which Arthur somehow got then.

Baroness... i'm pretty positive that Arhtur isn't using Isaac's power but rather the African's.

Also... as far as Arthur, Gabriel and Peter goes... I appears that when they absorb/mimic another person abilities... they only gain the ability at its base level.  ie they don;t automatically gain control of the ability to the level that some of the people have developed thiers.

ex
Peter reads minds like matt... but that's it.  Peter practiced how to use Hiro's powers of time travel after doing it initially on accident.  Arthur may have Hiro's power via Peter... but apparently he can't time travel else it would have made more sense for him to go to the future and see what would happen first hand rather than draw it out with premonition.  And I say may have.. because we know he teleported.. but its not a certainty where the teleportation came from.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on November 27, 2008, 05:28:59 AM
Quote from: House Quake on November 27, 2008, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on November 26, 2008, 05:33:20 AM
[spoiler]There are many ways for this to happen.... Arthur could have traveled back in time to a point when the Haitian wasn't using his abilities, then used Peter's ability to get the power just be being around the guy....then travel back to the present to mind wipe Hiro.   Likewise he could have traveled to the future to do the same thing.

Let's see what the writers go with.  I hope it's not too lame.
[/spoiler]

This last episode is saving the season for me.
[spoiler]

As far as how he got the Haitians power to mind wipe... I'm just going to assume the easiest route that we know of which was that the Haitian had been with the company since he was a boy and the mind wiping was his original ability which Arthur somehow got then.

Baroness... i'm pretty positive that Arhtur isn't using Isaac's power but rather the African's.

Also... as far as Arthur, Gabriel and Peter goes... I appears that when they absorb/mimic another person abilities... they only gain the ability at its base level.  ie they don;t automatically gain control of the ability to the level that some of the people have developed thiers.

ex
Peter reads minds like matt... but that's it.  Peter practiced how to use Hiro's powers of time travel after doing it initially on accident.  Arthur may have Hiro's power via Peter... but apparently he can't time travel else it would have made more sense for him to go to the future and see what would happen first hand rather than draw it out with premonition.  And I say may have.. because we know he teleported.. but its not a certainty where the teleportation came from.[/spoiler]


[spoiler]Which then begs the question, why didn't he just absorb Hiro's powers?  Why leave a guy who can time travel and teleport intact and behead a precog.?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 27, 2008, 09:06:02 AM
[spoiler]
We know that the ten year old thing was apparently an accident.  Also, Poptrelli may not have been aware of Hiro's intention to act as a mole.  He may have  been intending to still use Hiro as one of his agents, after removing the information he didn't want Hiro to know.  The precog, on the other hand, was acting as a mastermind against him and was clearly influencing Hiro, giving other characters knowledge he didn't want them to have.  He was entirely unusable.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on December 02, 2008, 03:12:53 AM
[spoiler]I tend to agree that Poptrelli wasn't trying to drain Hiro, since he already had Hiro's power through Peter. (In addition, Poptrelli should now have Peter's primary ability to absorb powers at a distance, though presumably not to drain them.)

If, as noted, Poptrelli was using the Haitian's ability to erase Hiro's memories, then we know that the Haitian's ability can be absorbed, by some means. Of course, there is the question of where Poptrelli got it. If it can be copied, I don't think we knew that before, since Peter never used it. Kind of too bad, really. I would prefer that some characters not be copyable and the Haitian's would be a good candidate for that.

Having seen the end of tonight's episode, Nathan is sort of a dope. There are a few powers that may be a straightforward boon to humanity if everyone had them, like healing or invulnerability. But it seems like people having basically random powers as they do in the show, and often offensive random powers like lightning bolts, flame projection, etc., would lead to lots of potential problems that someone with any brains would hesitate to want on the loose. And, any significant fraction of the population with Hiro's power and you'd have utter chaos.

HRG is sort of a voyeur. He ha a clear shot at Sylar and Elle when they first kissed and waited until they... umm... "finished kissing" before firing a shot...

If it turns out that Sylar isn't really part of the Petrelli clan, it's interesting that both Momtrelli and Poptrelli used the same psychological tack to manipulate him.

Assuming that Isaac is still dead, who is publishing 9th Wonders? There would have to be an awful lot of posthumous issues to get us this far along in the storyline. Not completely outside of possibility, but it had me groaning a little.

At least we can kind of infer that the comic is pretty popular, since it was on sale in both Japan and Nebraska and Oz and his buddy were following along. And, that's sort of the only way it would be published like that is if it had a pretty strong following.

It gets a little surreal with Hiro and Ando reading 9th Wonders to find out what to do next. I mean, at the very least, just finish reading up through the present issues. Isn't that pretty much the first thing anyone would do if they knew the comics were predictive?

Anyway, the whole eclipse device was sort of holding pattern material. I loved regressed Hiro. But, we are basically covering old ground with Sylar and Maya. We are getting yet another repeat of the Claire and HRG dynamic, though there is a possibility that she will actually learn something from her 16-years-ago trip. We'll have to see how that goes. And, we have kind of a repeat of Sylar deciding to be a villain again. If, as it seemed, Sylar was killing Elle at the end, then the Hunger can't really just be about gaining powers.

Also, I will be watching for what Hiro does with his father. It seems hard to believe that someone with an age-ten mind could know how and basically when his father was going to die and not try to go back in time to prevent it or warn him. Remember that Young Hiro doesn't have Hiro's experience with the dangers of trying to alter the past...[/spoiler]

Anyway, some ups and some downs, but I am still watching.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Dr.Volt on December 02, 2008, 06:32:14 AM
Ok small rant:

[spoiler]It does appear that Sylar killed Elle.  I liked her character and am pretty ticked.  Yeah silly...I know.  And I guess it's not much that she died or even was murdered...but it's the way in which she was murdered.  Not new for Sylar.  Not new the show.  It just offended me.  I'll probably keep watching though as I still really like the over all story and some of the other characters like Matt and Hiro and Peter.  Just some times honestly the violence get's a little too much for me.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on December 02, 2008, 08:15:49 AM
[spoiler]Ok, but was that really violent? They really didn't show us the killing.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 02, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Um, this show started off with a teenager purposely killing herself, then as the show went for the next couple of episodes, she was cut open at one point, while we kept seeing people lying bleeding with heads cut open.  How was this any more violent than any of that?  This show has ALWAYS been like that.  Sheesh.

[spoiler]
The parts with Hatian, Peter, and Nathan were all pretty good, I thought.  Nathan's reasons for switching sides weren't that unplausible.  Somewhat flawed, but still.

The scenes at the comic book shop were just pure awesomeness.  What comic book fan wouldn't like to have their favorite character walk right in on them?  Also, we now know what the deal with the posthumous issues is, and that this is the last one.  I also like how Isaac's handing off of his sketchbook in Season 1 is now a major plot point.

Hiro also proves just how powerful he is.  In my own mind, I group the more powerful characters in Giant and Titan status.  Titan is only reserved for power collectors like Sylar, Peter, and Poptrelli, but Hiro definitely is a Giant, as he proves in this episode.

The Gabriel suddenly snapping back into Sylar thing I don't find believable though.  The whole possibly being lied to by everone thing was a good reason for it to happen, but not so suddenly. Give him an episode to wonder and try to find out, then have him snap back into his Sylar persona when he discovers that Bennet is right.  Not just suddenly for such a stupid reason as I got my powers back and know who I really am.  Sheesh.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on December 02, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
[spoiler]

I don't think Gabriel reverting to Sylar was too "quick" per se.  The previous episode set up the reversion with Elle's conversation to him about how they can be normal.  It continued it with both HRG's comment about "Gabriel isn't special anymore" and Elle's talk about how both of them have changed.  With the "revelation" that Sylar is not a Petrelli, one that I doubt HRG would know from the file (will explain why below) then the only thing holding Gabriel back is . . . nothing.   Gabriel's attempt to move away from being "Sylar" was prompted by the revelation that he was one of the Petrelli family to begin with. 

Now with regards to rather or not HRG was lying about Sylar not being a Petrelli.  I think HRG was blowing smoke out his tail.  The information would not have been in the file.  Why?  The file was compiled based on the knowledge readily available on "Gabriel Gray" aka "Sylar".  Any information about him being a part of the Petrelli family would not have been in there more than likely as it didn't seem to be "public knowledge".   HRG seemed to be trying to turn Sylar against Poptrelli or simply gain a measure of revenge on him.  I came away from this episode and last episode with a little less respect for HRG.  He has been becoming slightly more reckless this season and has managed to endanger Claire, nearly get Claire killed, endanger his wife, cost his side an ally in Sylar (arguably) and get Elle killed just in the past two episodes alone.

Regarding Daphne, I am really enjoying her character and how it has developed over the course of the season.  Has a few of the second season characters been developed that well then they would probably still be around. 

As for the 9th Wonders thing, it was very clearly stated in the issue that the present issue (the one Hiro and Ando got from Seth and Brecken) was the last issue.  They used it as the building point for the plot point about the sketchbook.

Hiro and Claire go back in time . . . this could be interesting.  Hiro and Claire have not been on screen much together nor have they interacted much during the course of the series. 

Of course Nathan's reasons for switching were flawed.  Most of Nathan's motivations have been flawed throughout the whole series.  His character and Peter's both have similar flaws.  They both have good intentions but the execution of their intentions don't always result in the best success. 

Remember Peter's good intentions created some of this whole mess.  His heart is in the right place but he doesn't realize the way other events might be affected by his actions.

Nathan's intentions are noble but he doesn't think about the ramifications of his actions.  Last season, he was out to reveal the existence of their powers and got shot.  Now, by supporting his father's goal of giving everyone powers, who knows what catastrophe he will cause.  He thinks about stuff more than Peter but his thinking is often short sighted.

Yep, plenty of flaws for both characters.

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on December 02, 2008, 10:58:19 AM
[spoiler]Well I predicted it a while ago. Elle is dead. That leaves Maya of the remaining season 2 characters right? She'll be gone soon enough.
Disappointed they killed Elle, I liked her.

Otherwise a decent episode. Nathan is probably an idiot though.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Adamence on December 02, 2008, 12:34:19 PM
[spoiler]I really hope hope Elle isn't dead.  I mean, we didn't see her clearly die, and it looked to me as if Sylar stopped before he finished the job, so I'm definitely holding out hope.  She was without a doubt one of my favourite characters, and not just because she was being played by Kristen Bell.  She was introduced last season, and since then, through this season and the flashbacks from this season, we've seen so much character growth from her, if they just killed her off like that then I'm definitely ticked.  The way the writers just off characters really annoys me, and it would be especially annoying here, given how powerful Elle has proven to be (ie: when she stopped Sylar's attack in the cell block.)  So, again, here's hoping...if not...I'm pretty sure it'll be the last straw for me and this show...which sucks because...

Other than that, I really enjoyed the episode.  Hiro and Ando at the comic book store was just hilarious, especially with Hiro "not wanting to grow up" and just wanting to eat junk food and read comics.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BentonGrey on December 02, 2008, 12:37:24 PM
Hey man, I just want to eat junk food and read comic books....don't we all?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Dr.Volt on December 02, 2008, 01:21:29 PM

[spoiler]I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm primarily ticked that it appears that they have offed Elle. Period.  And I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one.  I do hope that she's not dead.  And as an optimist I'll go ahead and say that it's possible.  Not probable...but there is a chance.  I hould say though that overall I did like this episode.  In fact, if it weren't for the last like 5 minutes of the show (yes, the scene with Elle's inferred murder) I would have thought the show rocked.  The scenes with a 10 year old minded Hiro were indeed really fun.  And I love the way that he pops in and teleports a super nasty like Sylar out of the scene like he's nothing.[/spoiler]

Here's to comic books and junk food!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: captmorgan72 on December 02, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
[spoiler]I just read in the newest tv guide that Elle does in fact die in the Dec 8th episode. This sucks, I really loved the fact that they had  Gabriel redeem himself with Elle. Now they are going to make him evil again? This might make me stop watching it.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: detourne_me on December 03, 2008, 05:22:03 AM
I think Dr. Volt is referring more to violence against women... from a trusted partner... Completely agree with you there doc.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Dr.Volt on December 03, 2008, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: detourne_me on December 03, 2008, 05:22:03 AM
I think Dr. Volt is referring more to violence against women... from a trusted partner... Completely agree with you there doc.

Thanks for the great summary, Detour_me. 

Cap, yeah I'm with you...
[spoiler]That is, having trouble with this side flipping Sylar.  You can't just build the guy up as an ultra-nasty serial killer, try to sell him as a good guy, and then flip him back.  It doesn't wash.  [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 03, 2008, 06:54:56 AM
[spoiler]
They could have sold it, I think, if they had taken some time, built up Sylar as feeling betrayed by all those who had swayed him to the good, or at least non serial killerish, side as having lied and manipulated him, thus convincing him that there are no such things as heroes and he might as well destroy them for the good of everyone.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on December 03, 2008, 07:40:52 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 03, 2008, 06:54:56 AM
[spoiler]
They could have sold it, I think, if they had taken some time, built up Sylar as feeling betrayed by all those who had swayed him to the good, or at least non serial killerish, side as having lied and manipulated him, thus convincing him that there are no such things as heroes and he might as well destroy them for the good of everyone.
[/spoiler]

I agree and believe that's the way it should've been done.  Even if it was built up in the remaining two episodes of the "volume"/"season", it would've played out better than that.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on December 03, 2008, 07:45:14 AM
cat-

[spoiler]
No. They never could've sold it, because they could never sell Sylar as a good guy.  Even Zachary Quinto's talent never made it belivable, especially since they never addressed him killing a bunch of people while he was powerless in Season 2.

I'm glad that particular storyline is over, so I can stop throwing things at the tv, but I'm ticked it came at the expense of Kristen Bell.  Especially since Sylar shouldve died, or gone into hiding at the end of season one.

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 03, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
bredon:

[spoiler]
There's a huge difference between selling him becoming a good guy, which I agree with you is full of holes to begin with, and selling him becoming a bad guy again.  The latter they could have done a very solid job with.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Ajax on December 03, 2008, 08:08:34 PM
Saw this in the Diamondback today, which is University of Marylands student paper. Heroes needs a savior. (http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/media/storage/paper873/news/2008/12/03/Diversions/Heroes.Needs.A.Savior-3566283.shtml)
Quote
Villains," the third volume of the NBC sci-fi drama, Heroes, is hurtling toward a stunning conclusion. In just five days, we will finally learn whether anyone can thwart the evil Arthur Petrelli (Robert Forster) and save the world from his grasp.

It's all very exciting - or it would be, if the show was still worth watching.

For the rest of the article click on the link. Agree? Disagree?
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on December 03, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
An EW article has confirmed:
[spoiler]Elle is dead, and not coming back. Kristen Bell was never going to be on long term.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/ask-ausiello-sp.html?iid=top25[/spoiler]

Gave the article a quick read. I agree with all but one thing:
"Nowadays, only three things have made it worth flipping to NBC on Monday nights at 9 p.m.: Hayden Panettierre, Brea Grant and Bell."
It's missing Masi Oka and James Kyson Lee. If Hiro was killed off I'd be gone probably. Also I don't really like Claire that much.

Now while I agree the series has serious problems, that doesn't mean I don't like it. Smallville has historically been a terribly plotted show, but I've always enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 04, 2008, 04:43:18 AM
[spoiler]Am I the only one who is happy Elle is out?  I never liked her.  I don't like Daphne either.  Something about the acting of the actresses just makes them tedious for me.  I was happy when their scenes were over.  However, I like Claire and Mrs. Bennett.  I wish Ma Bennett had a larger role.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on December 04, 2008, 02:49:38 PM
[spoiler]I liked Elle enough as a pseudo-villain trying to please her father and then trying to go straight. And, I respect Kristen Bell enough to think that the shortcomings in the character on screen are the fault of the writers, which is in line with how I look at most of the parts of the show that aren't up to snuff.

Daphne I generally like as well, but I was disappointed in the last episode's depiction of her as someone who apparently grew up with a disability but just fell apart when it came back. "I didn't want you to see me like this." What the heck? I've known some people with physical disabilities and I don't think any of them are ashamed of who they are. It might be more believable if she had never been that way before, but she clearly had. It just seemed like it was written from the perspective of a kid who didn't know anything about people with disabilities.

I also kind of wonder if that's supposed to be the whole hold that Poptrelli has on her; that he can take away her power and she'll need braces again. Is that it? If so, I am not really buying that. Before he got Peter's powers, she probably could have pretty easily escaped from him. Probably still could, if she were willing to go underground. And, before he got the healing ability, she could have killed him before anyone knew it.

BTW, wasn't it shown earlier that she had won track trophies (the one Hiro threatened to take)? I am not sure if her timeline is supposed to be that she was a track star, then she was crippled, then she got her powers; or if she was crippled, then she got her powers, then she became a track star.


Also, in an unrelated note, I really wish the show hadn't gone there with the "eclipse temporarily removes the special's powers" gimmick. We try to ignore common sense science as much as possible in the show, but making such a big deal out of the eclipse is just begging those questions. There really isn't anything special about an eclipse except that it's dark in some parts of the Earth and we see the characters using their powers at night all the time. Would Daphne have lost her powers if she had run to Alaska (where the eclipse would have been far less than total) instead of Kansas? Hiro can teleport anywhere on Earth (and presumably that includes off planet), so would he have been affected if he were elsewhere?

At least they were sort of careful in showing the power loss in people who were in the continental US and Haiti, who might (stretching things) all experience a mostly-total eclipse within the same several hour period. But, the idea that lack of sunlight has that effect on the specials is really weak. And, I know there are ways to claim silliness like gravitational alignment (which is similarly weak) or that the moon blocks certain non-visible light not blocked at night (which is nonsense). Whatever. As I've said before, I never expect the science to be rock solid; it's not going to be. But the pseudo-science ought be consistent and withstand common sense. Oh well. I just wish they had come up with a better gimmick if they needed to turn everyone's powers off for a while.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 04, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
I really want to like Heroes and that's what keeps me watching.  It's just that all the inconsistencies make it hard to like it as much as I would like to. 

When there was a Paradox in Star Trek it was cool and interesting, but the ones in Heroes are...not so much so.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Mr. Hamrick on December 04, 2008, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: stumpy on December 04, 2008, 02:49:38 PM
[spoiler]
Daphne I generally like as well, but I was disappointed in the last episode's depiction of her as someone who apparently grew up with a disability but just fell apart when it came back. "I didn't want you to see me like this." What the heck? I've known some people with physical disabilities and I don't think any of them are ashamed of who they are. It might be more believable if she had never been that way before, but she clearly had. It just seemed like it was written from the perspective of a kid who didn't know anything about people with disabilities.

I also kind of wonder if that's supposed to be the whole hold that Poptrelli has on her; that he can take away her power and she'll need braces again. Is that it? If so, I am not really buying that. Before he got Peter's powers, she probably could have pretty easily escaped from him. Probably still could, if she were willing to go underground. And, before he got the healing ability, she could have killed him before anyone knew it.

BTW, wasn't it shown earlier that she had won track trophies (the one Hiro threatened to take)? I am not sure if her timeline is supposed to be that she was a track star, then she was crippled, then she got her powers; or if she was crippled, then she got her powers, then she became a track star.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler]The Daphne thing was briefly explained in the episode (like mentioned in one line) and further mentioned in the online comic.  It doesn't make a lot of sense, though.  When her powers first manifested, she could walk then she could run.  This doesn't make a lot of sense given the amount that all of this was suppose to have occurred in but that's the going story for now.

As for Daphne's reaction, its not common but its something that does occur in rare circumstances.  Especially if the person is able to hide their disability under most circumstances.  A very famous case of this was President Franklin D. Roosevelt.  There were great lengths taken at times to downplay and even cover up the extent to which he had polio when he first took office. 
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Kholdstare89 on December 08, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
[spoiler]Now that's my Sylar!  I'm in love with him all over again![/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on December 08, 2008, 11:52:57 PM
 :angry:[spoiler]I've tried to be the objective viewer. I've attempted to defend this show. When my comic book impaired Girlfriend and I watched the latest episode we both threw our hands up and cursed about 1 thing...

How in the world did Arthur Petrelli know where in time Hiro & Claire was? Out of the XXX million years of history and the XXX millions of days how did he predict what one Hiro & Claire would be at? To top it all off how did Arthur know what country/state/town/building he was in/on? HUGE plot hole or "dues ex machina". You decide.  :thumbdown:[/spoiler]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 09, 2008, 12:12:15 AM
Don't forget:

[spoiler]
Poptrelli's been using Isaac's powers extensively.  In addition, Hiro's already demonstrated that seeing the place and time, even in an illusration, is enough to pinpoint the time and place.  Even if poptrelli just had the same comic pic Hiro say, he'd be able to track them easily enough.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on December 09, 2008, 02:09:58 AM
Quote from: MJB on December 08, 2008, 11:52:57 PM
:angry:[spoiler]I've tried to be the objective viewer. I've attempted to defend this show. When my comic book impaired Girlfriend and I watched the latest episode we both threw our hands up and cursed about 1 thing...

How in the world did Arthur Petrelli know where in time Hiro & Claire was? Out of the XXX million years of history and the XXX millions of days how did he predict what one Hiro & Claire would be at? To top it all off how did Arthur know what country/state/town/building he was in/on? HUGE plot hole or "dues ex machina". You decide.  :thumbdown:[/spoiler]

-MJB


[spoiler]Remember Pop-trelli 'had' the precog powers of Isaac and/or the African.  Just as Matt, Daphne and Ando was able to see Hiro trapped in the past based on old drawings from Isaac... Pop very likely used the power to try and figure out where Claire had gone.  And thus new exactly where and when to find Hiro and Claire.  And he probably saw Hiro receive the catalyst.

But eve though I am over all enjoying the show still... there has been some bad writing.  I'm not surprised that a couple of the writers are gone.  They have built up to man situations this season which basically ended in.. 'what was the point'

What was the point of making Claire the catalyst or giving it to Hiro...?  If all Arthur would do is pop in and take it from whom ever? 

There have been a few to many 'pointless' sub plots going on.  i hope when the show comes back ain February after the next episode, the writing improves and all of the plots with out purpose cease. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on December 09, 2008, 03:10:17 AM
According to the rumors I've heard, firing the executive producers will not yield any changes until the late 2009 (volume 5) season of Heroes.

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 09, 2008, 03:45:40 AM
[spoiler]So...why doesn't Poptrelli heal and get up off the floor?  It doesn't make sense that being shot in the brain killed him since Clair had a branch stuck in her brain and didn't die...maybe Sylar got his "Wanted" on and bent the bullet to hit a crucial part of the brain? 

Why didn't Sylar want the Haitian's powers?  Perhaps, deep down he knows there needs to be a way to stop him.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on December 09, 2008, 08:13:37 AM
[spoiler]

Claire didn't come alive again until the branch was removed, remember?  As long as the bullet is lodged in that "special place", Poptrelli is SOL.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 09, 2008, 08:41:48 AM
Heroes is also regaining the writers it lost to Pushing Daisies, which should hopefully make a big difference.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on December 09, 2008, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: MJB on December 09, 2008, 03:10:17 AM
According to the rumors I've heard, firing the executive producers will not yield any changes until the late 2009 (volume 5) season of Heroes.

-MJB

They are getting new (or old.. depending on how you look at it) writers for the upcoming sequence in Feb.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on December 09, 2008, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on December 09, 2008, 03:45:40 AM
[spoiler]So...why doesn't Poptrelli heal and get up off the floor?  It doesn't make sense that being shot in the brain killed him since Clair had a branch stuck in her brain and didn't die...maybe Sylar got his "Wanted" on and bent the bullet to hit a crucial part of the brain? 

Why didn't Sylar want the Haitian's powers?  Perhaps, deep down he knows there needs to be a way to stop him.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Both Claire( tree branch) and Peter (shard of glass)... have demonstrated that they will not heal if the obstruction to the brain is not removed.   They didn't heal until after some one removed the object from their heads.  As long as no one removes the bullet from Arthur's head.. he should stay dead.  How long they can remain like that...???

As far as Sylar and the Haitian... how could he get them?  The Haitian was using all of his power to control Arthur.  Sylar knew there was no way to kill Arthur if the Haitian released control.  And he wasn't going to risk the Haitian blocking his own powers by making any move against him.  The risk of Arthur being released was too great to try any funny biz.   And as soon as Arthur was down... Sylar got out of there rather than wait for the Haitian to block his powers and blow his head off with a gun.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on December 10, 2008, 08:14:57 PM
Some Heroes news:
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-bryan.html
Bryan Fuller takes over starting with episode 19.

And casting news involving Sylar:
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/john-glover-cas.html
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 10, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I'm liking what Fuller has to say.  Here's hoping the show can revive for season 4.  It seems likely that they show will get a season 4, at any rate.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Jakew on December 10, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
I thought Season 4 was already being filmed???  :huh:
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on December 10, 2008, 11:06:12 PM
Quote from: Jakew on December 10, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
I thought Season 4 was already being filmed???  :huh:

No the second half of season 3 is being filmed right now. Each volume doesn't correspond to a new season, they just break up storylines.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on December 10, 2008, 11:17:33 PM
Sounds like he has a good grasp of what has been going wrong with the writing.

[spoiler]In the episode where Hiro and Ando were in Africa and they were shown the 'faces' of the Villians painting... I had identified Arthur, fear boy and fire guy... but never could make a connection to who the fourth was.

If it turns out to be Sylar's father... that would fit.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on December 11, 2008, 06:02:57 AM
I love Sylar. He was all like, "Cake?". Hilarious!
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: bredon7777 on December 11, 2008, 06:33:20 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 10, 2008, 08:59:14 PM
I'm liking what Fuller has to say.  Here's hoping the show can revive for season 4.  It seems likely that they show will get a season 4, at any rate.

Still not worth losing Pushing Daises for, IMO
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 11, 2008, 09:14:30 AM
Nobody said it was.  Apparently you're the only one thinking that way.

Pushing Daisies or no Pushing Daisies, him returning to the show is a good thing.  Whatever happened to the other show has nothing to do with Heroes, other than the fact the Fuller needed something else to do.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on December 11, 2008, 10:13:50 PM
Spoilers!

Here are some minor spoilers about Monday's Volume 3 finale. Courtesy of Comic Book Resources.

Click here for the article with short video snippet links. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19144)

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Removed 2 links due to double posting.
[/EDIT]

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Podmark on December 11, 2008, 11:04:34 PM
lol MJB I posted those first two links above.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: MJB on December 13, 2008, 12:11:01 AM
Well the last one was new. :P

-MJB
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 16, 2008, 05:36:07 AM
Well, it was a decent ending after all.

Also, Star Trek actor #3!
[spoiler]
It does look like Claire has become similar to her future self, if still a good guy so far.

I figured Peter would be re-powered sooner or later, and it does look like he has his original ability, although whether he regained all the abilities has had before is up in the air.  He has two abilities at least, and should have no trouble picking up Claire's again.

The ending surprised me.  Nathan does seem to have made an about face far more than I think quite believable at this point.
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Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: robinka on December 16, 2008, 04:51:18 PM
[spoiler]Did hiro get his power back? I'm so confused. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: The Hitman on December 16, 2008, 07:06:36 PM
[spoiler]
No, Hiro didn't get his powers back. Ando used his new ability to supercharge Daphnie's superspeed, allowing her to run faster than time. they went back, grabbed Hiro, and then "ran" to the future.

On a related note, I think Hiro will get his power back by the end of Chapter 5, either directly as a formula, or indirectly, like if Ando can give normals powers as long as he's holding on to them.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on December 18, 2008, 08:50:32 PM
[spoiler]I am not clear on how Hiro, Ando, and Daphne got back to the present, after rescuing Hiro from Sulu's katana in the past. In the previous 'supercharged' use of her power, Daphne ran to the past, but had to wait for that time to pass again to regain the present. Which sort of makes pseudo-science sense. She normally runs so fast that she is almost moving while time is slowed for everyone else (that's how she could interact with Hiro when he was trying to freeze time), so the amped-up power goes further than just slowing time and reverses it. How she goes from that to running directly into the future, I don't know.

BTW, I really like Quinto's acting for Sylar. His scenes are fun to watch.

I agree with HQ that there seem to be too many spinning-their-wheels arcs where it sort of made no difference whether or not the arc happened.

Also, so we are to assume that the Haitian's nullification power can be focused on one person? I had previously gotten the impression that it was sort of an area-effect deal. But, clearly, Sylar was using his power while Poptrelli was nulled...

We didn't see just how he escaped, but I wonder what Mohinder's new power will be. And, I wonder just what sort of stupid things he will do with Tracy.

FWIW, I stand by my earlier statement that Nathan is sort of a dope.  <_<[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 18, 2008, 09:05:15 PM
[spoiler]
Why would Mohinder get new powers?  He already had powers, just a deadly mutation along with it.  My impression is that the correct formula merely canceled out the flaw in his cruder version, which should result in no change powerwise.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on December 18, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
[spoiler]The deadly aspects were still part of the same mutation that gave him the enhanced strength, etc. Maybe the newer formula kept the cosmetic effects to a minimum and left the beneficial effects the same. I guess that would be fine, though I can't say I am a fan of the whole Mohinder-as-The-Fly gimmick.

The reason I wondered if he would have a new power is that they talked about giving specific people specific powers. And, that would make sense if they were planning to give powers to a group of soldiers because giving them random powers could be disastrous (e.g. Ted). But, the same batch of formula apparently gave a completely new (to the show) power to Ando, it gave strength to the soldier, and it returned Peter's powers to him.

Makes me wonder if Mohinder will go all Chitin City again if Ando touches him... I am also wondering if Ando's power might be able to sort of negate the Haitian's?

BTW, I hope they drop this business Daphne was speculating about that people sort of get whatever power they wish for. I mean... enough already. At some point, things slip even past the bounds of pseudo-science and are just magic.

As a final aside, time travel is obscuring the course of events again. Hiro swiped the formula from his father's safe and it eventually came to the future. Yet, somehow Mohinder recreated the formula that Poptrelli infused with catalyst. Do I even want to wonder how all that happened? Not that there aren't a dozen possible ways, but basically we don't know, now...

(And, it would be totally plausible that, despite Hiro tearing up the paper, Mohinder would still know how to recreate that formula, except maybe for the catalyst, which was sort of the magic fairy dust in the mix.)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 18, 2008, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: stumpy on December 18, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
[spoiler]

BTW, I hope they drop this business Daphne was speculating about that people sort of get whatever power they wish for. I mean... enough already. At some point, things slip even past the bounds of pseudo-science and are just magic.

As a final aside, time travel is obscuring the course of events again. Hiro swiped the formula from his father's safe and it eventually came to the future. Yet, somehow Mohinder recreated the formula that Poptrelli infused with catalyst. Do I even want to wonder how all that happened? Not that there aren't a dozen possible ways, but basically we don't know, now...

(And, it would be totally plausible that, despite Hiro tearing up the paper, Mohinder would still know how to recreate that formula, except maybe for the catalyst, which was sort of the magic fairy dust in the mix.)[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I was thinking OMG they made the formula the Monkey's Paw. 
I wonder how Daphne was able to navigate time and space...and how does hitting a table/cabinet reveal Ando's powers?  Did he give the table/cabinet super durability for an instant?  I guess next season it will be explained if his powers affect people or people and objects or people, animals, and objects....

I'm not going to touch the part about Hiro ripping up the formula or why it would be that Claire didn't want to be the catalyst....if Sylar did see that she was or had the catalyst when he looked at her brain then that timeline would be negated...so what did Sylar see now? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: BWPS on December 19, 2008, 01:01:55 AM
Quote from: stumpy on December 18, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
[spoiler]The deadly aspects were still part of the same mutation that gave him the enhanced strength, etc. Maybe the newer formula kept the cosmetic effects to a minimum and left the beneficial effects the same. I guess that would be fine, though I can't say I am a fan of the whole Mohinder-as-The-Fly gimmick.

The reason I wondered if he would have a new power is that they talked about giving specific people specific powers. And, that would make sense if they were planning to give powers to a group of soldiers because giving them random powers could be disastrous (e.g. Ted). But, the same batch of formula apparently gave a completely new (to the show) power to Ando, it gave strength to the soldier, and it returned Peter's powers to him.

Makes me wonder if Mohinder will go all Chitin City again if Ando touches him... I am also wondering if Ando's power might be able to sort of negate the Haitian's?

BTW, I hope they drop this business Daphne was speculating about that people sort of get whatever power they wish for. I mean... enough already. At some point, things slip even past the bounds of pseudo-science and are just magic.

As a final aside, time travel is obscuring the course of events again. Hiro swiped the formula from his father's safe and it eventually came to the future. Yet, somehow Mohinder recreated the formula that Poptrelli infused with catalyst. Do I even want to wonder how all that happened? Not that there aren't a dozen possible ways, but basically we don't know, now...

(And, it would be totally plausible that, despite Hiro tearing up the paper, Mohinder would still know how to recreate that formula, except maybe for the catalyst, which was sort of the magic fairy dust in the mix.)[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Hiro didn't tear up the paper, he just tore it in half, Daphne and Ando nonsensed him away before he finished tearing it so it was still perfectly usable as indicated when Sulu held the pieces together.

I hope Hiro never gets back his powers, and I hope Daphne dies. I hate the way they write time travel. I hope the next volume takes place a few months later. They don't write this show very well. Everyone has powers now, and everyone has the same thing holding them back: extreme stupidity. Why did Hiro go back in time with Claire to have both of them meet their parents and break the first rule of time travel? Better ideas: Kill Papa Petrelli when he's a baby, kill him while he's in the hospital, kill him in the present, kill him before he erases your memory. Kill Sylar. Kill Nathan. Or Daphne can go kill them. Or Matt could tell them to kill themselves. Or Matt could tell himself to stop being so lame. Do something useful with your powers, retards. If I'm watching a show every week hoping that the bad guy kills every other character, ur doin it wrong. It's a show about superheroes, so of course I watch it, and I do enjoy it. I just feel like there are a lot of writers out there who I'm sure would be willing to make this show make some kind of sense and they really deserve the chance. It really doesn't need a total reboot, just have everyone do that thing where they ignore stuff that happened.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 19, 2008, 01:10:05 AM
[spoiler]Um...Hiro tore some paper to shreds at the closing of the episode[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 19, 2008, 07:28:40 AM
[spoiler]
When Hiro was in the past, he only tore the formula into two halves, the same two halves it was already in at the beginning of the season.

He didn't rip it to shreds until he was back in the present, when he and Daphne stole it from Mohinder, so the time line is still intact in that way.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: stumpy on December 19, 2008, 10:18:34 AM
[spoiler]
Quote from: BWPS on December 19, 2008, 01:01:55 AMDo something useful with your powers, retards.

Bwahaha! :lol:   I have had that same thought many times. That, and stop whining about how terrible it is to have an awesome super power.  :rolleyes: [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 19, 2008, 10:41:17 AM
[spoiler]I can think of three characters who think their powers were totally awesome.  One is dead, one was dropped from the show, and the third was depowered.  :unsure:[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: captmorgan72 on December 19, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
[spoiler]Wasn't Matt's dad killed by PopaTrelli? He suddenly came back to take on Sylar thanks to HRG.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Talavar on December 19, 2008, 12:03:20 PM
And...I'm done.  I've had the rest of the Heroes season on my PVR from I think episode 8 on, and I've been meaning to watch them, but I just can't bring myself to actually do it.  Maybe if word on the second half of the season is better I'll come back, but other wise, that's it for you, Heroes.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thanoson on December 19, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: captmorgan72 on December 19, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
[spoiler]Wasn't Matt's dad killed by PopaTrelli? He suddenly came back to take on Sylar thanks to HRG.[/spoiler]

That wasn't Matt's dad. That was the creepy puppet guy that trapped Claire and her two moms.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: House Quake on December 20, 2008, 02:28:09 AM
Quote from: Stumpy[spoiler]The deadly aspects were still part of the same mutation that gave him the enhanced strength, etc. Maybe the newer formula kept the cosmetic effects to a minimum and left the beneficial effects the same. I guess that would be fine, though I can't say I am a fan of the whole Mohinder-as-The-Fly gimmick.

The reason I wondered if he would have a new power is that they talked about giving specific people specific powers. And, that would make sense if they were planning to give powers to a group of soldiers because giving them random powers could be disastrous (e.g. Ted). But, the same batch of formula apparently gave a completely new (to the show) power to Ando, it gave strength to the soldier, and it returned Peter's powers to him.

Makes me wonder if Mohinder will go all Chitin City again if Ando touches him... I am also wondering if Ando's power might be able to sort of negate the Haitian's?

BTW, I hope they drop this business Daphne was speculating about that people sort of get whatever power they wish for. I mean... enough already. At some point, things slip even past the bounds of pseudo-science and are just magic.

As a final aside, time travel is obscuring the course of events again. Hiro swiped the formula from his father's safe and it eventually came to the future. Yet, somehow Mohinder recreated the formula that Poptrelli infused with catalyst. Do I even want to wonder how all that happened? Not that there aren't a dozen possible ways, but basically we don't know, now...

(And, it would be totally plausible that, despite Hiro tearing up the paper, Mohinder would still know how to recreate that formula, except maybe for the catalyst, which was sort of the magic fairy dust in the mix.)[/spoiler]

Daphne may have been more on the money than you think

[spoiler]In each case the formula did exactly what the person wanted most... which isn't always what some one thinks they want. 

- The soldier... he wanted to have the strength to have made a difference... he got it.

- Peter simply needed a re-set to get back his powers... he's straight forward.

- Ando wanted most to be helpful... a person with real value to help others.  He though he needed time traveling ... bit his character always wanted to be helpful.... and that is exactly the power he got. a power which augments the powers of others... the perfect side kick.

- And then there is Mohinder.... he also got exactly what he wanted.  I'm shocked you guys missed this.  Nathan in the limo at the end with 'Worf'... was three weeks passed.  They looked at Mohinder's file 'Activating Evolution'!  He was driven to learn how to give people powers... and now possibly he can.  This was too big of a 'hint' for that to not be the case. 



A note on Daphne

I (we) speculated before that Daphne's powers were not pure 'superspeed'... esp considering that by holding onto someone they zip right along with her.  This little boast of powers from Ando confirms in my head that what she does is a variation of Hiro's powers of manipulation of time and space.... a better known sci-fi term would be as warping.  She creates a warp field around her which in allows her to move from point A to B in fractions of time while covering great distances (space).  Hiro's mastery of time and space is significantly greater... but her powers work on a similar concept

Even though I don't quite get how she would have mastered her enhanced ability so quickly... but in the realm of sci-fi we have all seen manipulation of warp fields used to move back and forward through time (Star Trek).

And yes ... Hiro tore the formula into two pieces in the past and left it there.  Tearing the formula into two pieces in the past was probably the most logical and straight forward of all this chapters myriad of subplots going no where with no point.  He didn't rip it up until the present.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: captmorgan72 on December 20, 2008, 07:44:13 AM
Quote from: thanoson on December 19, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: captmorgan72 on December 19, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
[spoiler]Wasn't Matt's dad killed by PopaTrelli? He suddenly came back to take on Sylar thanks to HRG.[/spoiler]

That wasn't Matt's dad. That was the creepy puppet guy that trapped Claire and her two moms.

I thought that puppet guy WAS Matt's dad, man now I'm really confused.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 20, 2008, 07:50:25 AM
No, the puppeteer is a new character.  Matt's dad was introduced last season.  Other than both being large guys, they don't even look similar.
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: Raptor on December 20, 2008, 11:47:21 AM
Matt's dad controlled people mentally (like Matt), the puppeteer guy just controlled people physically (i.e. he could control Claire's mom's body but could never make her love him)
Title: Re: Heroes Season 3
Post by: thalaw2 on December 20, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
I admit i was also mixed up by Matt's dad and the puppet guy too.   :lol:  I just didn't open my mouth about it.