Who created this skin for the TMCL_Zorro mesh?

[Zorro]

I used to know, but over the years I've lost the emails which could have pointed me to who made the skin for me.  Anyway, I'll post it and see if anyone claims it as a skin they created.  Without further ado, here it is:

[Zorro]

I'm giving this a certain amount of time before I claim ownership of it by default.  So, if someone out there created this skin, you have until the end of September 5th to claim it.  I'm not going to sit by and wait forever.  After that, whoever says they made it will have to contest it by explaining why they took longer than the listed 30 days to come forward.

[Previsionary]

Ok, in the nicest way possible [for me],

A) How is it your right to put others on a time limit for something you didn't create?
B) The person that did the skin/mesh/whatever may not be available for a plethora of reasons.
C) If the person doesn't respond for whatever reason, it is not your right to take something you did not create and lay claim to it for whatever reason.
D) It is not in your say to lay claims on anything you do not personally own.

[tommyboy]

I think Previsionary covered it all nicely, but I really can't help myself...
Someone is good enough to make something for you, for free, and you presume to order them about and then take ownership of their work?
The forum rules forbid me from telling you what I think of you.
Suffice to say, delete anything of mine that you have, because I don't want you "claiming ownership" of MY work in a year or two.

[XPTO]

I'm giving this a certain amount of time before I claim ownership of it by default.  So, if someone out there created this skin, you have until the end of September 5th to claim it.  I'm not going to sit by and wait forever.  After that, whoever says they made it will have to contest it by explaining why they took longer than the listed 30 days to come forward.

You´re kidding right???? its better you understand what you have just said because you are offending all the authors out there with this ultimatum.

Don´t even try to post others work as your own because this happened to me once with a UT2003/4 skin i made, some guy posted my work at skincity just with a diferent portrait (wich sucked) and claimed it his work, not nice at all!!!! I flamed him with all reason because it was my work, so don´t go that way. He thought ppl woulnd´t notice or what??

Dude return to the light  :angry:

[XLR8er]

yeah man thats like claiming texasjack's work

[the_ultimate_evil]

dude seriously not cool, actually quite pathetic really

[AfghanAnt]

Is that even the original skin or did you edit it?

Regardless, you've been around these parts long enough to post 300 times and still you would post something so tasteless. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Blkcasanova247]

I'm giving this a certain amount of time before I claim ownership of it by default.  So, if someone out there created this skin, you have until the end of September 5th to claim it.  I'm not going to sit by and wait forever.  After that, whoever says they made it will have to contest it by explaining why they took longer than the listed 30 days to come forward.

That post was such a "BAD" idea on your part dude....really!  :thumbdown: :huh: Everyone...enjoy the meal!

[Zorro]

For those who decided they know everything about a situation they weren't there for while I was:

I traded something of value way back when for the rights to it.
That is how I can claim it.
Is that so hard to understand?
That is why I can put a time limit on it.
I did not like how some of you came and pm'ed me and literally said I'm a THIEF.
How dare you when you weren't there and I was for the deal that was made.
Instead of insinuating that I'm a criminal, like some people already have, how about you ask nicely to find out before you figure you know the entire situation.

Thank you.

[Previsionary]

For those who decided they know everything about a situation they weren't there for while I was:

I traded something of value way back when for the rights to it.
That is how I can claim it.
Is that so hard to understand?
That is why I can put a time limit on it.
I did not like how some of you came and pm'ed me and literally said I'm a THIEF.
How dare you when you weren't there and I was for the deal that was made.
Instead of insinuating that I'm a criminal, like some people already have, how about you ask nicely to find out before you figure you know the entire situation.

Thank you.

Here's the deal:

No, we werent there, but look at how you worded that post. I'm sorry that we don't live in your head and we don't know all the facts, but did you offer them either? Trading something or not, that's not how you ask for something in the least bit. Also, I would think if you gave up something to get the "possible" rights for something, you'd keep all that stuff in a safe haven...but that's just me. I don't think I'll mention the rest of my thoughts otherwise I'll come off as trying to be a "know it all" or something.

[Zorro]

Okay, instead of pointing the finger and yelling that I'm a thief over and over again and not saying why you think that, how about we all act like grown men and you explain why you think the way you do and I won't rant and rave and say things that I shouldn't say.  Is this acceptable for all of us to agree to?

I've had some time to think, although the post time won't show it, and what you'd say would be along the lines of this:  Say, for an example, that I buy a computer game, any computer game, and take it home with me.  I make copies of it and send it to friends or whoever.  Have I just stolen?  I guess in that case I have and if it's put into context of the skin, it would seem to apply there too.

What can I do to apologize to all of you?  I won't expect to be forgiven or for afghanant or tommyboy to want me to share his stuff with those who ask for meshes/skins or with tommyboy to allow me to use his stuff for my enjoyment (or anyone else I passed over in this thread that I didn't read).  Yes, I see what I did was stupid.  What more can I do?

[Jakew]

Hey Zorro,

By "claiming ownership" of the skin, did you mean you were going to claim it as your own work / that you created it? If so ... why? I'm puzzled.

[Tomato]

Err... Instead of egging this on with more emoness, I think we all just let this thing burn itself out. Everything that really needs to be said has been, and all that's going to happen is that someone is going to burst a blood vessle for no good reason.

Zorro, next time just say "hey, does anybody know who skinned this?" and don't ever use the word "claim" anywhere in the post.

[stumpy]

Agreed.

(BTW, "emoness"?  :D)

[Zorro]

I should have said, for that line(s), Jakew, that I was just going to "whatever word is better than using claim" it as far as the rights for sharing it with others by having someone put it up on their site or yahoo group.  I had been having a IM or email or whatever it's called session with Murs47 about hosting it before all of this came about on this thread.  Again, it might have saved much pain on the part of many had I shared that info and my real intentions instead of leaving it so much up to interpretation.  I definitely should do a rough draft of what I'm saying first and then type up the "corrected and clearer" version on here.

Stumpy - I don't understand.  What's emoness?

Tomato - Yes, tonight I found out the hard way that it's best to not use the word "claim".  I was just thinking, obviously not saying out here, that I was saying it was mine as far as sharing with the community.  I needed to step back and try to figure out what was going on here before I ruined my relations on here with everyone.  At the time I didn't understand why people said I was stealing.  I had to go back and do what we often tell others to do...read.

[Zorro]

I hope murs47 doesn't mind if I share this to show what my intentions were from the beginning on this.


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« Sent to: murs47 on: July 25, 2007, 02:28:47 PM »
Someone gifted me a green lantern version of my avatar for something I did a couple years back.  Would you mind if I released it to you?

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« Sent to: murs47 on: July 25, 2007, 07:13:24 PM »
Release it to you = That would mean to give it to you to put on your yahoo group or website to make it available to others.

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« Sent to: murs47 on: July 25, 2007, 08:32:09 PM »
It was done a couple years ago, so I have no clue as to who gave it to me.  Also, after the revisions done to freedomreborn, I also no longer have the mail I saved that would have been able to remind me of who it was.   

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« Sent to: murs47 on: August 03, 2007, 02:24:37 PM »
Okay, I tried the print screen idea while in game to take a picture of Zorro GL.  Anyway, do you have any ideas of the most likely folder the picture went to?

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« Sent to: murs47 on: August 03, 2007, 04:43:35 PM »
Okay, I tried it with MS Paint and it didn't work.  The next thing I did was try to paste on MS Word and it worked there.  I now have a picture.  How would I post the picture on here?

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« Sent to: murs47 on: August 03, 2007, 04:51:54 PM »
Okay, I tried with MS Paint again and now it does work on there.  Strange.

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« Sent to: murs47 on: August 03, 2007, 07:28:21 PM »
Thank you.  If you'd like to have a look at the ZorroGL skin, go look on the Freedom Force Discussion board and look for the topic "Who created this skin for the TMCL_Zorro mesh?".  Anyway, now comes the waiting.



I hope this clears up a few other things that might not have been too clear before.

[stumpy]

Thanks for clearing things up a bit.

Stumpy - I don't understand.  What's emoness?

It's a new one to me, too. Tomato would be a more definitive source here, but I am guessing that it refers to the state or quality that is characteristic of being "emo". Although, I also kind of like the concept of some lower planes creature who is more emotional than demonic...  :P

[Zorro]

Oh, okay.  I just asked you first, stumpy, since I noticed your usage of the word before seeing it elsewhere (looking from the bottom of the thread to the top).

[Tomato]

Well, personally I meant it (in this particular case) in reference to the point where an argument ceases to have anything to do with anything, and descends into the inevitable territory because people take stuff waaaay too personally... People were overreacting to your post and just bashing you without knowing full details (granted, you didn't know all the details, but the way you jumped on him I don't think you really gave him a chance eithor) because we tend to become a gang of sorts wheb it comes to concept of ownership, and in responce you made a "ZOMG you all suck and my life is so horrible and you don't understand" post, which frankly was (though I know you didn't mean it that way) about as mature as I am then you take away my soda.

Whatever, I don't really see a problem with you releasing it since you did get it as part of a deal, just put something in there to the effect of "if anyone knows who skinned this, contact me and I'll add credit" or whatever. That way it's released, everyone is happy, and if the skinner really wants s/he can ask you to take it down.

[Zorro]

That makes sense, tomato.  Thank you.  I'll use notepad or some such and follow your advice on that.  I'll also take a look at someone else's skin/mesh notice to see how people normally go about giving out credit where I'm able to provide and any other applicable information.

[style]

Umm...Do you guys know where the bathroom is? No. OK! :rolleyes:

[Boalt92]

IPS,

With all due respect, the original author can relinquish "ownership" if he/she so chooses.  You are absolutely right when it comes to "authorship".  I can purchase the Mona Lisa (well, I can't, but you get the idea).  I own it.  I can sell it, give it away, loan it or (heaven forbid) pee on it.  What I can't do is claim to have created it.....i.e. claim "authorship".

If the original author did, in fact, grant Zorro ownership rights in exchange for whatever consideration they agreed on, then the skin is Zorro's.  He cannot claim to have created it, but he can distribute it as he sees fit.

The true question is, "what was the original agreement?"  Zorro admits to not being the best record-keeper, which counts heavily against him in this situation.  Nevertheless, a verbal agreement is also binding in many circumstances, and, unless the original author challenge's Zorro's version of events, you almost have to take him at his word (or try to prove otherwise). 

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck towards you, IPS, because I love your work and I respect your opinion.  I just see people get screwed time and time again (heck, sometimes I screw 'em myself) over details like these, and I want to remind everybody, particularly the artists, to put EVERYTHING in writing.  Whatever the exchange, whatever the contract...put your intentions in writing and protect yourself and your work.

OK.  I'm done.

B92

(disclaimer): just my opinion, not a legal judgement, not an attack on anyone, not a defense of anyone.

[murs47]

Here's a brand new skin for Zorro. I here by give Zorro permission to do whatever he wants with it. Kitbash it, sell it, trade it, upload and host it........anything......even pee on it :o I wouldn't recommend it cause it'll ruin your monitor, but if you really have to....go for it. :lol:

[Night Dragon]

 And with that post I am locking this thread. If folks still need to say anything, take it to PM.