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The X-men Thread (spoilers)
« on: October 26, 2007, 05:17:14 PM »
So I've been seeing rumors around the net that Adjectiveless X-men is pretty much canceled after the next event and I wanted to see how you guys felt about that? I personally think the core books have been on a pretty good upswing ignoring the many many many many delays of astonishing.

[edit] With the messiah complex main event over, This thread can now be used to be talked about the aftermath and any other X-related comic.  ;)

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 09:30:59 PM »
Yep it's all but official, X-Men ends after Messiah Complex. Mike Carey will be moving on to another X-project supposedly a mini series rumored to be either a Xavier or Magneto solo book.

I've been quite happy with the X-books lately, and I'm looking forward to next week's Messiah Complex start. I'm holding out judgement on X-Men's end until we know more.

In other news Chris Yost and Craig Kyle are confirmed as the writers of X-Force. The Cable writer was revealed too, but I don't remember his name.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 10:48:22 PM »
Just an update, Carey's X-Book is called X-Men: Legacy and starts someone who's been around since the beginning, with a large supporting cast.

http://www.livewireworld.com/review/interviews.htm

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2007, 02:01:44 AM »
Are Yost and Kyle staying on New X-Men? Better yet, is New X-Men still going to be around after Messiah Complex?

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2007, 05:40:42 AM »
Are Yost and Kyle staying on New X-Men? Better yet, is New X-Men still going to be around after Messiah Complex?

No one knows. There's been alot of baseless speculation either way but Marvel hasn't really said anything, except Mike Carey saying the the story of the kids would continue post MC. What that means exactly is unknown.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2007, 11:58:45 AM »
I do find it really interesting, that just when almost all of the x-men books are quite good (excluding Exiles & Excalibur, which are in the crapper) Marvel's going to have a "big event" and shake everything up.  New X-men might or might not continue, Adjectiveless is gone; Cable & Deadpool is ending, and I think X-factor is getting "retooled" as well. 

But we're getting new X-force and Cable books, so that makes it worthwhile *heaviest sarcasm possible*.  At least Astonishing gets to basically ignore this stuff until Whedon finishes his run, and I hope Warren Ellis gets that same get-out-of-the-continuity-quagmire free card when he takes over the title. 

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2007, 12:49:01 PM »
I didn't expect adjectiveless to get canceled because it's in a really good place right now and the x-men need another book to house the other part of their team, but i may change my mind on that after MC so we'll see. Heck, maybe cyclops will finally remember that his father died and his brothers + daughter are in a space war before the book finishes its run...one can dream.

As for suckxiles and crotch shotcaliburs (see the crossover for that reference), exiles is being relaunched with a new writer (if i remember correctly) as new exiles with a fairly different team (as in most of the new crew claremont brought in + sage...which I hope is false) which means Blink, T-bird, and TJ get the shaft and New excalibur will possibly be renamed into Excalibur with Cornell writing in 2008.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2007, 01:12:43 PM »
I've got bad news Prev. Exiles is being re-launched and Claremont will still be the writer. :thumbdown: :banghead: :doh:

Let's join and look deep into the mind of Joe-Q:

"Hmmm, X-Men is doing really well, let's cancel it. But Exiles, it's doing horribly. I think we'll relaunch it but keep Claremont writing it. I'm such a genius!"

Honestly, I think I'm going to write Chris Claremont a letter. What do you think of this?

"Dear Mr. Claremont,

Are you even trying anymore?

With Utmost Sincerity,
murs47 of the Freedom Reborn forum"



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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2007, 08:58:22 PM »
"Dear Mr. Claremont,

Are you even trying anymore?

With Utmost Sincerity,
murs47 of the Freedom Reborn forum"

LOL! The funny thing is there still are some die hard Claremont fans out there loving his stuff.

Keep in mind that X-Men was pretty terrible before Mike Carey came on and he's leaving the book so there's no guarantee the next creative team would have been any good.

This whole X-shakeup had to do with Axel Alonso becoming the new head X-editor. He wants each book clearly defined and of there's 3 books that really only differ by the creative team and lineup (Uncanny, Astonishing and X-Men). New X-Men has a confusing title so there's rumors it's getting another name change.

The X-books have been pretty good lately so I'm not worried about the changes just yet. I'll need more information first.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2007, 10:48:56 AM »
X-Men is NOT cancelled. I'm not sure where the original interview is at the moment, but this thread has quotes from Jim McCain, one of the X-Editors: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5721774&postcount=38

So it appears Carey will still be writing an altered version of X-Men...

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 10:49:49 AM »
X-Men is NOT cancelled. I'm not sure where the original interview is at the moment, but this thread has quotes from Jim McCain, one of the X-Editors: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5721774&postcount=38

So it appears Carey will still be writing an altered version of X-Men...

Music to my ears! ^_^

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 10:56:22 AM »
very good. Now...if only New exiles didn't hurt my heart!

*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 11:50:24 AM »
very good. Now...if only New exiles didn't hurt my heart!

*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

I used to be an X-Men fan, but Chris Claremont cured me of it...

...twenty years ago. That's when I thought he got burned out on mutants.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2007, 12:42:25 PM »
very good. Now...if only New exiles didn't hurt my heart!

*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

i've been trying to keep as spoilered free until i can start reading MC.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 04:28:44 PM »
very good. Now...if only New exiles didn't hurt my heart!

*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

i've been trying to keep as spoilered free until i can start reading MC.

Which starts tomorrow! yay!

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2007, 06:03:15 PM »
*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

Oh, I'm an X-Men fan but I've been spending most of my time reading the comics with my fingers over my eyes on certain titles because they seem to butcher my characters more and more instead of actually making them "grow up". New X-Men: Academy X and Astonishing X-Men were the light at the end of a dark tunnel after DeciMation which had it's good moments and bad moments. I loved seeing some elements from Age Of Apocalypse enter the titles in some fashion (most the designs for Sunfire and Rogue) and the return of the Marauders (which held some WTF? moments of betrayal from certain team members).

I'm hoping that Messiah Complex finally gives all the X-Titles some direction without making me refer to uncannyxmen.net every issue because I can't seem to follow the overall storyline of this "big arc" they made for TPB sales. I so really want to see an X-Team that finally has some battle scars and shown they haved learned something that actually sticks to the characters longer then a few months or until the writer gets bored using his handbook to make sure they are not acting out of character.

New Exiles is just Chris Claremont getting saddled with Exiles and New Excalibur then deciding to just put both titles in a blender on frappee until they no longer make any sense at all. As much as I like the UK angle that Claremont keeps putting in Excalibur it doesn't belong in the Exiles and pulling a "Destroy The Green Lan.. oops..Britian Corps." angle on things to justify a team reshuffling for a post-Messiah tie-in just makes me roll my eyes.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 09:15:55 PM »
very good. Now...if only New exiles didn't hurt my heart!

*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

i've been trying to keep as spoilered free until i can start reading MC.

Which starts tomorrow! yay!

Along with New X-Men #43. JOY! ^_^

EDIT: For some reason I'm a bit nervous about MC. Not out of the possibility of it being poorly done. More along the lines of how much is it going shake up the x-universe. Civil War did quite a number on the rest of the Marvel U, do you think MC will leave the same drastic effects?


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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 03:26:05 AM »
I'll be happy to buy Messiah Complex which I look forward to, but let it be known I hate New X-Men, at least the Kyle/Yost incarnation. I've liked work by the two, specificly their writing on superhero cartoons like X-Men Evolution, Ninja Turtles and Fantastic Four, but I think thier comic work on the book is terrible for a number of reasons including content, pace, and accessibility. I liked #42, but only because for maybe the second time in the entire run they put charactarization first and mile-a-minute action last. I expect I'll like #43 and hate the Messiah Complex crossover issues of it. Time will tell.

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 07:43:45 AM »
*it seems we're the only 4 x-men fans on FR ...*gasps**

I read X- Factor... does that count...?

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Re: X-men: Cancelled?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 04:57:10 PM »
So....what did all 3 of you think of the MC one-shot?

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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2007, 05:10:11 PM »
The thread got a name change, so if we all could (even if there's only...3 of us?) keep the MC event in this thread and keep the spoilers behind tags, that'd be great.

My thoughts on MC (since i havent read New X-men yet):

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P.S. Yes, Hitman. X-factor counts. :D

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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2007, 05:59:42 PM »
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Also, I should hope X-Factor counts. I've been buying it longest of all the X-books (I don't usually buy Uncanny, but I will pick up the crossover issues) It's also my favourite X-Book.

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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 01:04:45 AM »
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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2007, 03:03:51 PM »
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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2007, 10:00:01 PM »
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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2007, 10:53:09 PM »
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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2007, 11:21:29 PM »
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With the spoilers out of the way, can anyone confirm whether or not the young avengers will go looking for wanda? I remember there being talks about that happening and I figured now would probably be a good time since wanda's location is no longer a secret...how everyone found out her location (exaggerated) is another story in itself.

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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 01:21:06 PM »
Back in YA #12 (the last issue of the series before it's excrutiating hiatus...that was my favourite book at the time), they said their next big goal was to find Wanda. They got distracted because the Zodiac attacked the UN and they went to fight them. Then Civil War started, at which they were a little busy. Now the team's seperated, with some on the run, anti-reg, and most became registered dogs of the military. The upcoming mini doesn't seem like it will be about that because each issue focuses on a single member of the team. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2007, 11:50:19 PM »
I guess I haven't put up my thoughts on MC1 yet. I've been reading pretty much all the interviews and preview put out over the last couple of months for this event so honestly I knew pretty much everything that was going to happen in this issue. There wasn't any real surprises for me, and I honestly wasn't expecting to like it much at all.

But actually I thought it was pretty good. Nothing spectacular, but a decent story. I liked how effective the X-Men were; they got in, helped the survivors and got to the bottom of things nice and quick. Cyke was taking charge like he should. However, there wasn't much to the plot, I knew this coming in and I'm giving the issue a free pass on this because it's the prologue, I expect more from the rest of the chapters.

From the previews I didn't expect to like the art but I found it didn't really bother me when I actually read the issue. It wasn't anything that I went back and stared at in amazement, but it didn't really detract for me either. However Silvestri butchered my beloved Cat-Beast :(

I'd give it a loaded 7/10. It's spared potential negative points because I expected worse. It's probably more of a 6/10 maybe even a 5/10, but I felt it was a good start that showed the seriousness of the situation.

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Re: Messiah Complex...
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2007, 12:20:10 PM »
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