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Title: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 24, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
Consider this a spin-off of the X-thread  (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=44997.0)courtesy of Murs.

Tis close to Christmas so Happy Holidays to all of you. New forum, new thread, and I guess, according to murs, we could condense this into a general Marvel thread. If you don’t agree, let me know and blame Murs. :P. It’s not a heavy X-week and I wasn’t planning to review anything else until next year, but there’s only one main universe X-book and I think I can take it. So, let’s jump in and start this off.

Wolverine Origins #31:

For the last few issues, the book has been in a minor crossover with X-men: Legacy to help flesh out Daken and Wolverine’s history, to alleviate Xavier of his retconned guilt, and to expand on Ms. Sinister and her new partnership with Shaw. As I said in the original X-thread, it’s a perfectly good read and since the trades come out in January, I urge you to check it out even if you don’t like Daniel Way, Legacy, Daken, or Wolverine. It’s a solid read and you don’t need to know anything about Daken, Wolverine: Origins, or Legacy to read it.

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This was a very quick read. It was ok, but I feel a little let down after Original Sin. I’m not sure why exactly, but I think it’s because of the dynamic between Logan and Daken. It’s just a bit weird for me. It’s a 2.5-3 worthy book for me. I am glad to see that Daken isn’t completely smitten with Wolverine and that there’s some obvious tension. Other than that, I got nothing much to say about the book.

Ultimatum #2:

Last issue, a flood broke out and took out most of New York and other parts of the world. People died, latveria froze, and angst was at an all time high. In UFF, Reed attacked Namor and took off to find help and Ben joined up with the mole man. In UXM, Rogue rejoined Vindicator and went out to get her own revenge as the original class of X-men headed off to kill Magneto. In Spider-man…well…that tie in begins today and I haven’t read it, but we now know how Gwen got back.

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Um…this book played to a lot of twists and shocks. Some were disturbing and some things didn’t really make sense. For example, in UXM and Ultimatum #1, there were several X-men left at the mansion, this issue they’re nowhere around. I suppose that’ll make sense in the next UXM issue since some religious zealots did attack the school, but Xavier seemed too nonchalant about it. I don’t know, it’s like I said before…all the different tones is making it hard to judge this event. This issue was ok…but without all the twists and all the plot jumping around, you’d easily realize that not a lot progressed and that Loeb just glossed over explaining some stuff he should have…and I’m sorry, but that Jan scene was disturbing. 2.5 out of 5. The art was very nice for the most part, so those extra points are for Finch’s work. Oh, Death Count this issue...3

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And there ya go...let the reviews pour in if you got anything.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on December 25, 2008, 02:11:32 AM
I thought Ultimatum was utter trash and I really want my 3.99 back. I  mean oh my god was it bad. The deaths were stupid. I am really hating actual God of Thunder, Thor (why couldn't he stay just a crazy guy with a hammer). And the deaths, my God what a cheap way to shock the reader especially the whole people getting eaten.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 25, 2008, 02:51:48 AM
I thought Ultimatum was utter trash and I really want my 3.99 back. I  mean oh my god was it bad. The deaths were stupid. I am really hating actual God of Thunder, Thor (why couldn't he stay just a crazy guy with a hammer). And the deaths, my God what a cheap way to shock the reader especially the whole people getting eaten.

This...I agree with. I still think it's "2" worthy as there's some entertainment value in it if you don't think about it at all and the art was pretty good, but other than the shock value...it has nothing going for it. I mean, Magneto got a major power boost to do what he did, Spider-man's appearance amounted to nothing, and if Maggie could do what he did at the end of the issue so easily, then why did he have so much trouble with the X-men in the first place? Not to mention Reed's deadset mindset that Namor tried to hurt Susan...a lot of it just didn't add up.
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New Avengers #48:

Look, I’m branching out…and the book includes Wolverine so it still has ties to the old X-thread requirement. Hey, hey, hey. Fresh off the heels of Secret Invasion, the book finally returns to being a team book and not a partial backstory fill out. The team is BACK in action and this book is said to touch on quite a few open danglers that SI #8 should’ve touched on, but left open. It’s no secret that I don’t think highly of SI, but maybe Bendis can make me like him again as I do think he works better on a smaller scale where his decisions don’t change the course of the entire [Marvel] universe.

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I was actually impressed by the book. It touched on a lot of things and revealed that people still remember Norman as the GG…but it doesn’t explain why they would put him in a governmental position so easily and quickly. Several of the Avengers get a story push, and oddly, Logan seems to be shown as a leader more and more these days. My only problem is that I don’t recall Bucky doing much at all…in fact, I don’t remember Spidey doing all that much either. Also of note, a certain comment Spidey made about Bucky seemed a little off to me, but I’m probably over thinking it. 3.5 out of 5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on December 25, 2008, 03:26:10 AM
This...I agree with. I still think it's "2" worthy as there's some entertainment value in it if you don't think about it at all and the art was pretty good, but other than the shock value...it has nothing going for it. I mean, Magneto got a major power boost to do what he did, Spider-man's appearance amounted to nothing, and if Maggie could do what he did at the end of the issue so easily, then why did he have so much trouble with the X-men in the first place? Not to mention Reed's deadset mindset that Namor tried to hurt Susan...a lot of it just didn't add up.

I thought the power boost was because of Thor's hammer?

I agree with you on New Avengers. I liked the previous two teams but this team works well and finding the baby works really well for me. The ending actually had me sort of shocked.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 25, 2008, 03:42:50 AM
I believe it is, but it's still a pretty major one, imo. I'd think a major rise in power like that with no practice or build up would be more hazardous than, "get what you want on the first try!". That hammer deal is another issue for me as I don't know why it'd provide him with said power boost. A lot of details surrounding it escape me, but I don't think Magneto would be deemed worthy to control or even manipulate that hammer. So...it raises more questions for me and I hope it's actually explained in the book and not months down the line.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on December 25, 2008, 04:39:04 AM
I believe it is, but it's still a pretty major one, imo. I'd think a major rise in power like that with no practice or build up would be more hazardous than, "get what you want on the first try!". That hammer deal is another issue for me as I don't know why it'd provide him with said power boost. A lot of details surrounding it escape me, but I don't think Magneto would be deemed worthy to control or even manipulate that hammer. So...it raises more questions for me and I hope it's actually explained in the book and not months down the line.

I didn't think there was the worthiness spell on this hammer. Also what happened to Thor? His hammer and costume changes and we are told why? Was his awesome costume before just illusion? There are so many plot holes in this universe lately.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 25, 2008, 06:02:41 AM
Ultimatum makes Rulk look good. There, I said.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: herodad1 on December 26, 2008, 04:23:27 PM
this is why i dont collect comics anymore.i do buy the new thor books but thats it.the powers at marvel have destroyed the spirit of the marvel universe.i guess all the stories in the last couple years have been shots in the dark and drawing straws.writers are running out of GOOD ideas.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 26, 2008, 07:07:15 PM
I didn't think there was the worthiness spell on this hammer. Also what happened to Thor? His hammer and costume changes and we are told why? Was his awesome costume before just illusion? There are so many plot holes in this universe lately.

*shrugs* I expect plot holes and tons of errors from Loeb, so THAT'S not surprising. I mean, he did retcon the savage lands to tie it into Wanda's powers for no particular reason at all. As for the hammer, that's my point. Nothing about it has really been explained and nothing about Magneto and his plan has been built up to. I just hope it's all laid out somewhere "soonish" because if anyone can wield Thor's hammer that happens to be able to control magnetism (like Maggie and Lorna) or happens to be a "god"/"asgardian" (Valkyrie?), then it should be told before this event ends and not after in an annual. In fact, what Magneto did and how he did it so effectively and effortlessly should be shown either in UXM or Ultimatum before the finale of this "event", imo.
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this is why i dont collect comics anymore.i do buy the new thor books but thats it.the powers at marvel have destroyed the spirit of the marvel universe.i guess all the stories in the last couple years have been shots in the dark and drawing straws.writers are running out of GOOD ideas.

Appreciate your contribution to the thread, but I really want to avoid this becoming a bashing thread. Especially when you're critiquing the whole universe when GOOD stories are right within reach if you go looking for them and try something new. It's horrible, imo, that so many people bash the entire universe and its collective writers when there are awesome writers out there releasing great stuff but aren't getting noticed. Since I'm very partial to writing and they get the harder time and the sullied reputations, I'm just gonna stick up for them in this instance and say, "No, not all the writers have run out of great ideas, some people just blindly accuse the whole line of being worthless because they haven't experienced the writers or stories yet." Now, if it doesn't APPEAL to you, that's a different complaint and doesn't mean you throw down the whole line with the exclusion of what you read and liked. That's my opinion, of course. Feel free to disagree and such. ^^
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She-Hulk #36:

It really bothers me that this book is being canceled as I have been enjoying the ride. She-hulk isn’t like most female heroes and it’s sad that Marvel doesn’t have a lot of female solo/team books. At least DC has two or so female oriented books that aren’t lovey dovey, Marvel doesn’t now that Spider-girl and She-hulk are being canceled again. Anyway, for the last few issues, She-hulk and the Lady liberators have joined up to help a bunch of people in Marinmer who need aid but aren’t receiving it. The basic thinking is that if the women heroes do it, the government and higher profiled male heroes will also be shamed into being more helpful. Does it work out the way Shulkie planned? Are you serious…this is Jennifer Walters, of COURSE not!

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I skipped a few good tibits in my review because I didn’t really feel like writing, but I have a quota to meet, holiday or not, darn it! It’s a good read and some interesting stuff went on, but a certain segment bothered me which I’ll detail below as an afterword or some such. Some interesting developments took place within the book between Sue and Jenn and Jenn having to struggle with morality is good stuff. The other Liberators did very little and Thundra, after a few big appearances in the other issues, didn’t even share a word this issue. In fact, I don’t remember seeing her at all outside of the cover and summary page…well, at least she was in Red Hulk…*explodes*. This book is a 3 for me. I gotta say that I liked the ending a lot. The way they dealt with the Pres. was pretty unique.
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AFTERWORD:

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And that’s it…discuss? Disagree? Agree? No opinion? Ok then.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on December 26, 2008, 11:18:10 PM
Thor 12:  So it's confirmed:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 28, 2008, 06:07:28 AM
I like that we've made this a general Marvel thread. Seems like a good move. I read Nova this week, but Christmas has obliterated the details. It was pretty good though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 30, 2008, 12:49:34 AM
I read New Avengers, finally. :blink: It was a good issue, the ending was great. And I agree, the direction it's going in is promising.

What else did I finally read...I'll get back to that later. :unsure:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 01, 2009, 08:26:57 PM
Latest She Hulk.
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 02, 2009, 12:49:35 AM
Latest She Hulk.
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That happened in Hulk, not Shehulk. Also, you're talking about Loeb...continuity isn't his strong point as of late. *points to Ultimatum, Ultimates V3, and Heroes*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 02, 2009, 02:08:11 AM
Oops. You're right. Still, it was the last issue.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 02, 2009, 05:28:39 AM
I read some X-books this week:

X-Force 10:
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I give this issue a solid 4/5 of the prev-o-meter.

I also read Young X-Men #9
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I'll give this issue a 2.5/3 on the prev-o-meter. I did enjoy it, and the art is decent but it certainly has it's problems.

Also I think Cipher is:
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Also of note Young X-Men is apparently cancelled as of issue 12. This has been reported to be in the print version of Marvel previews but has yet to be confirmed.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 02, 2009, 05:37:21 AM
thanks for reviews, Pod. No reviews from me as I won't get anything until tomorrow if even then. :P

From the sounds of it, I made a good decision to not read anymore Young X-men. Ink sounds like a vulcan to me...too much power, way too fast.

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In other news...wasnt Mutant zero revealed this week?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 02, 2009, 05:50:45 AM
In other news...wasnt Mutant zero revealed this week?

Yes. I haven't read the issue yet but hopefully will tomorrow, there was a mix up at the shop.
I pretty much knew who M0 was already and went ahead and spoiled that part of the issue to myself already.
She is:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 03, 2009, 04:09:09 AM
X-men: Worlds Apart #3:

Doing some quick reviews as it’s what I do. Last issue, Storm and Nehzno escaped into the wilderness and had to fight for their lives. Meanwhile, Cyclops was en route to kill his lover, Emma Frost, thanks to some mental suggestions by Shadow King. Will Storm and Nehzno finally restore the King to his rightful mind? Will Cyclops survive being blasted out of the sky by a thunderbolt? Let’s find out!

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Love it. I think I liked the Cyclops part more than the Storm part, but only because Cyclops wasn’t his typical self and actually addressing things no other book is at the moment. I can’t wait for the finale and it’s sad that it’s so close now as I doubt Storm and Nehzno will get this type of attention for quite some time. I love that Yost remembered some old details about Storm such as her keeping locks in her hair. After rereading the Phoenix saga recently, it was just nice to see it referenced in some capacity. But yeah, quite a few good scenes this issue and I highly recommend it. 3.5 out of 5.

Incredible Hercules #124:

I don’t know if I’ve said it here, but Hercules has become one of my favorite heroes of late and I always look forward to his book. For the past few issues, Cho has been trapped and trying to find a way out of his predicament and Hercules has been forced to work alongside Namor and his lovely cousin.

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Action heavy issue. I enjoyed it. Namora and her wish kind of disturbed me, but I found almost everything in this issue enjoyable and I can’t wait for the next issue. There’s a certain Atlas scene that literally made me laugh out loud. Not many books make me do that. The only thing I would complain about is the opening pages as I don’t think I understood the relevance of them. That’s probably my fault for forgetting something, but it’s still a good book. So good, that it’s a 4 out of 5.

Magneto: Testament #4

This book sits firmly at a 3/average for me, so I’m hoping it can really push its way to greatness in the final two issues. As you should know by now, this book aims to flesh out and give a concrete look at Magneto’s past. Last issue, Magneto began to show his first sign of having powers just after his family was shot down around him.

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Very interesting read that’s full of some powerful scenes, I think. Magneto having to witness so much at his young age and seeing the people that tried to help and protect him get taken away from him is a pretty powerful motivator for his later actions as a super villain. I really do think this book would be a much better read in trade form than in its monthly…well…whenever it’s released form, but this issue was fairly good. Will Murs like it…that’s the question. I give it a 3.2.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on January 04, 2009, 03:02:16 AM
Will Murs like it…that’s the question. I give it a 3.2.

So that's the question is it? :lol:

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Very interesting read that’s full of some powerful scenes, I think.

Absolutely. That pretty much sums up the issue without giving any details. I'm not sure what score to give it exactly but at least a four, if not a near 5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 04, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
As far as X-force goes, I actually quite enjoyed Warpath's little excursion. The inclusion of Ghost rider was just great. From what I hear Marvel is trying to include X-men more into the rest of the universe, and I really appreciate little things like this.
This book remains one of my most anticipated each month.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 04, 2009, 09:22:35 AM
Old Man Logan- Wow! So now we know why he won't pop the claws. I wasn't expecting that in the least.
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Ultimate Hulk- So Power Princess is more powerful than Hulk? Who would have thunk? I liked this story. It was very fun.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on January 07, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
Old Man Logan- Wow! So now we know why he won't pop the claws. I wasn't expecting that in the least.
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Wow, that's a neat trick, when you take into account how powerful Wolverine's senses are.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 08, 2009, 01:47:14 AM
Cable #10:

This book is the epitome of slow in my eyes. This book has had 11 issues?over 260 pages to tell a story and we?re not very far into the story and we?ve learn very little about Cable, the girl, or his wife. It?s a struggle staying interested in this book as it?s so completely average. I hope the crossover provides the spark it needs because it?ll be a sad day if yet another Cable book gets canceled so soon. Anyway, last issue, Bishop tricked the X-men and took them out while X-force was miles away. In the future, Cable and his family were fighting bugs before escaping the city.

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The book is sped up minimally and I didn?t care about a lot in the book. It?s just all there for me right now. This arc was mostly used to set up Bishop?s plan, limit Cable?s moving area, to name the little girl, and to set up the crossover. It took too many issues to get all that set up especially when most of it came in this issue. Talk about padding. 2 out of 5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 08, 2009, 04:36:39 AM
The girl FINALLY got a name? YAY!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 08, 2009, 07:24:22 PM
Indeed, she did. It'll probably be changed again in Messiah War. :P
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X-men Noir #2:

Last issue, Jean Grey was killed and Peter learned that his father wasn?t so honorable. Meanwhile, the original Angel tried to meet up with the X-men and it all went to hell.

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This is yet another good read. It?s full of X-men references, but no one in the story is a mutant. You see, they all get their nicknames through abilities that link them to their original incarnations. Let?s take, for example, Rogue. They brought a whole new meaning to her ability to absorb powers and personalities. In this universe, she?s basically a chameleon. She can fit in anywhere just by ?absorbing? the traits around her and using them to fit in with her crowd. It?s a very interesting idea. Of course, the Magnus/Xavier relationship shows up in this book and even the Wanda/Peter relationship gets touched on. This issue is slightly better than issue 1, but the art was a bit rougher. Xavier looked weird to me and he was mostly hidden in shadows. In fact, he didn?t look like he did in issue 1, iirc. It?s a very good read and if you don?t plan on buying it monthly, at least consider the trades. I say this early, but I have faith in the book at this point. If it falters near the end, you?ll surely know from me. Oh, the backup "script" focuses on Nimrod, sentinels, and Rachel. It's an ok read and brings in quite a few more characters such as the morlocks and Bastion. It?s a 3.5 out of 5. It loses points for the art.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: herodad1 on January 08, 2009, 11:28:22 PM
dont read any of these books but interested in power princ. thing about being stronger than hulk? no one stronger than hulk!!!RRrrr!!!  :angry:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 09, 2009, 07:33:08 PM
Amazing Spider-man: Fear Itself:

I?m not sure what brought this about, but I?ve learned a long time ago not to question crossovers especially when it?s between a mostly unused character and a popular one. I?d have more of an opening, but I just don?t have much to say about a Spider-man/Man-thing crossover. Oh, this book takes place in the BND Spider-man verse though it does reference back to a very young Pete.

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I left out some parts, but that small paragraph behind the spoiler tag IS the whole story. While I was reading this story, I wondered why this was needed?why was it made. Not only did Pete basically talk about Aunt May the whole issue and how he couldn?t bear to lose her (because these are things any Spidey reader knows), but Man-Thing was just one giant plot device the whole way through. Peter TOLD pretty much every plot development in this story and we didn?t get to SEE any of it really happen. Everything just seemed rush except Peter constantly going on about his Aunt May. I didn?t like the art much either, but it gave it a pretty good feel. Just not my cup of tea. I?m rating this a 1.5. You need to be really hardcore for one of the characters involved to even want to own it. I dunno if I?m the only one that thinks this but, what?s the point of having Doc Connors in the story trying to figure out something?if he figures out the problem and solution all in three pages flat? If this were a mini-series, it may have worked, but as a one-shot?no go.

Invincible Ironman #9:

Things have really begun to change for Tony Stark. His closest friends don?t all exactly trust him, he?s been replaced by Norman Osbourne, and he?s basically about to wage war with Norman because of the information he contains. Should be very interesting even if you don?t like the direction MOST writers wrote Tony in?because that?s ultimately the problem with his character. More writers (JMS) wrote him in a completely negative light than those that made him likable but with another point of view?one of many problems of Civil War. But that?s not the point of this issue. Last time, Tony was removed from power as head of SHIELD and Norman was ushered in. Tony may have been humiliated, but he made sure to get the last laugh by downloading all the registered heroes information into his head.

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This is really just a set up book. It?s putting everything into place for future storylines. If Dark Reign continues to be set up like this, I might actually have a better hope in it succeeding  Fraction?s run on this book has been pretty good?you could say exceptional. If you haven?t liked Ironman since Civila War, this is a good time to pick up this book and test out this version. He?s not the jerk some writers made him out to be and he actually has a soul again. I like the Maria Hill fight scenes and it?s nice to see how far Tony will go to protect his fellow super heroes and friends even if they don?t know anything about his sacrifices. It?s a good read and I enjoyed it a lot. This?from a person that doesn?t really like Ironman in general. 3.5 out of 5.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 15, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
Hopefully someone other than me reviews this week. :P

Captain Britain and the MI13 #9:

New thread, another opening to push Captain Britain into all of your lives. This has quickly become one of my favorite books probably just behind Incredible Hercules. It?s a very good book that does the Capt right. If you want to see him and his team in some nice adventures without referring much to Claremont?s?run, then this is for you. Over the last few issues, Plotka has been creating ?mindless ones? by trapping people in dream voids. The MI13 catch on to this and try to stop him only to be betrayed by an old friend. Meanwhile, Capt realizes he may not be with the real Meggan and his crazy brother might actually be there to help him.

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This wasn?t as big of an ending that I was anticipating, but it was still pretty good overall. I LOVE that a certain character is coming back after she was sent off into limbo almost three-four years ago. I also think I might like this current line up a bit more once Cornell really starts to work on their dynamic. Unfortunately, Blade, Spitfire, Dane, and Faiza barely did anything and some parts felt a bit rushed or something. It?s a 3 for me. Still a good read, but let me down a bit.

X-Infernus #2:

Well, I?m straining to remember what really happened last issue and truth be told, I don?t REALLY remember anything of importance happening. Most of issue 1 was online on myspace, so I guess I should have went over there to look at it or grabbed the book from my shelf or something, but I?m kinda lazy sometimes. ^^. Last time, Magik found the location of her soul sword and went to get it. That?s the important information. Moving on.

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So um?I want to like this book more, but it?s such an incredibly quick read with not a lot happening in it. I guess I just want more substance and not just a bunch of fight scenes. It?s adequate and it?s nice to see Colossus doing something other than mope about like he is in Uncanny. Not to mention that NC actually gets to lead a team again and some New X-men are included, but I just didn?t enjoy this as much as I probably should. I?m also a bit mixed on some characterizations, but it wasn?t a big enough deal for me to deduct any more points. 2.5 out of 5.

CW: HoM #5:

This has been a fairly good series, but nothing has been uber amazing as of yet. This is the final issue and I hope it ends on an incredible high note. I doubt it will, but I?m hoping for a big, amazing finale that?ll make the series a must read. Last issue, Magneto watched as Xavier passed away thanks to a co-ordinated attack by Bucky and his team and Wanda began showing signs of her uber hexing magic.

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4! This book finally hit home with me. I enjoyed quite a few scenes and I loved the small character moments between Lorna and Magneto, QS and Magneto, and even Wanda and Magneto. That?s what I wanted from the beginning and it?s a shame it came so late.  I also loved how highly Magneto continued to think of Charles regardless of their beef throughout the earlier issues. The ending scenes and a few of the fight scenes were my favorite parts and I think I might actually have to reread this book all together. *gasp*. Anyway, if you want to see Magneto in a different setting, sane, fighting for a cause, and coming out on top?this is for you. If you want to see how Magneto and his kids get along, this won?t really be for you, but you?ll enjoy the ride anyway. :P

Deadpool #6:

I don?t like Way?s Deadpool, but people, like Murs, seem to love it. Wait, sorry, I forgot what role I was playing. REDO! I LOVE Way?s Deadpool and people like Murs seem to hate it. Loser. Anyway, last issue, DP fought off some huge breasted zombie women who didn?t like his taste. This issue ties into Dark Reign and features Tigershark.

The book opens with DP hallucinating something fierce. As he?s giving this fake interview with this fake interviewer, a kid pokes him in the eye with a stick. That?s it. You want more? FINE!

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As much as I don?t want to say it, this issue was actually decent. Also?the final two pages actually made me glad. I?ll just say someone Murs loves returned. While I might have enjoyed the issue more than the last?um?5, I still don?t really care for it that much. 2. Too me, it just a whole bunch of nothing that continues to happen in the series in its current incarnation and this issue was a great example of that. Maybe the Thunderbolts crossover can turn Way around like he did in the Wolverine/Legacy crossover.
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In other news, I hear Psylocke will be in Uncanny X-men soon, so she effectively escapes Exiles! Yay. Also, I've seen people say that Messiah War (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11365) is part two of a three part event...and that there's an X-men/New Avengers crossover. This year seems to be very busy and event heavy for Marvel's merry mutants.

Black Panther trailer (http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/comments/marvel_comics_blank_panther_trailer_debut/) -- haven't watched it yet. :P

Uncanny Annual preview (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6593)

Dark Avengers #1 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/943/943754p1.html)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 17, 2009, 07:03:45 AM
BUMP! Did no one read anything this week or is the thread just dying? Anyway, the post above this one got a few reviews added + some previes, so check those out.

X-men/Spider-man #3:

This series is ultimately interesting minus some minor problems like continuity. It’s a team up between Spider-man and the X-men through several decades. When I say decades, I mean our time…it’s probably been…1.5 years Marvel time. :P. Last issue, Pete and the Australian-esque X-men (minus-Psylocke) joined together to figure out what exactly Kraven was up to and they battle the Marauders down in the Morlock tunnels. This issue, Ben Reilly returns.

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Fairly quick read and it’s nice to see Ben again even though this issue revolved around more clones. I’m not really excited to read this book from week to week especially when I compare it to the last two things I read by Gage, but it’s still nice book to have if you want to see the X-men and Spidey interacting since it rarely happens. The art could be better, but it’s passable. I’d rate it another 2.5.

Amazing Spider-girl #28:

Sad that I’m starting to review this book so far down the line. I mean, it’s literally two issues from cancellation. Lame. Over the past few issues, the book has been toying with the clone saga, but this time, it’s not a mess of a storyline that dragged on for a while. It’s actually fairly good! Go figure. The clone from the 90s storyline has finally reshown itself and May is left wondering if she’s the real deal or the fake. Meanwhile, Peter is dealing with the same problem in his own way and MJ knows nothing. Eventually, May and Arana switch bodies and…know what? Just buy a trade. :p

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This continues to be a good read. It was a little tough to start reviewing this in the middle of a complex arc…but I figured someone would find it interesting. This is looking to be one heck of a finale and it’s tying up several storylines. I’ve really grown to like May and her methods as Spider-girl, especially in this issue, kind of remind me of some of Peter’s classic methods…you know, when he regularly had to rely on his brains. Too bad it’s ending, but I’m sure the transition to “Amazing Spider-man family” will be almost as good…almost. 4 out of 5. Yay.


Secret Warriors #2 preview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26519
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: chuckles on January 17, 2009, 07:27:57 AM
I remember that storyline, for a brief moment I thought marvel was bringing back Ben (Scarlet Spider) Riley, my favorite web-slinger.

As I'm living in such an isolated area, it's great to have someone reviewing books. I think I'll try a few of the ones you've mentioned.
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
Yeah, I'm not that impressed with X-Infernus, it's really not that great. It has a very strong encompassing feel of 'meh'. It also doesn't feel like enough is happening for a 4 issue mini.

Also Phil Urich is not the Hobgoblin, he's the Green Goblin. The orange threw you off didn't it? Yeah, I think he's color scheme's pretty awful myself.

In other news, Deadpool is getting a mini series by a different writer, Mike Benson:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April)

I personally find it very hard to get excited about Deadpool these days, which is a shame because I used to love looking forward to his books every month. Well, at least there's Weapon X First Class. Those DP pages that were posted here a while back were great!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 18, 2009, 01:21:16 AM
Yeah, I'm not that impressed with X-Infernus, it's really not that great. It has a very strong encompassing feel of 'meh'. It also doesn't feel like enough is happening for a 4 issue mini.

I think it'll probably do a bit better in trade form. Maybe. The series doesn't have a lot going on in the first two issues beyond a lot of fighting and colossus angst. Maybe the latter issues will fix this problem.

Also Phil Urich is not the Hobgoblin, he's the Green Goblin. The orange threw you off didn't it? Yeah, I think he's color scheme's pretty awful myself.

Ack, yeah...also, I wrote that before heading out and the first name that popped into mind was hobby. :p. My bad, thanks for telling me. *fixes*

In other news, Deadpool is getting a mini series by a different writer, Mike Benson:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April)

I personally find it very hard to get excited about Deadpool these days, which is a shame because I used to love looking forward to his books every month. Well, at least there's Weapon X First Class. Those DP pages that were posted here a while back were great!

Indeed. I hope this series does well as I dislike the current DP a lot. I'm still trying to figure out what the people who do like it see in it. I mean, there's only so much of DP talking to himself I can take.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 22, 2009, 03:12:26 AM
Picked up Mighty Avengers today.
Big Spoiler:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 22, 2009, 05:00:14 AM
I do a Mighty summary:

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I thought it was an excellent first issue. This feels like the Avengers I've been missing since Busiek left the book. Slott is one of my favorite writers right now, and the art is pretty good with some rough spots. Khoi Pham is all over the place in terms of style though, I can see bits of Cheung, Yu, Copiel, and even JR jr in his work. His pretty new to this though and in a year or so I think he'll be a solid artist.

If you're a Hank Pym fan this book is for you. He's the star of this issue really, and Slott has a good handle on the character. Pym is my favorite Avenger so I'm very happy. Jarvis and Cho also shine in this issue too. Herc doesn't quite speak as I'd expect, seems a little too down to earth. And Slott is actually making me like Jocasta.

I give this issue a 4.5/5 it loses points for heavy use of magic - and I hate magicy stuff. Also the art has some rough spots. I had high expectations for this issue and it matched them.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on January 22, 2009, 07:06:30 AM
All I'm going to say is, because I haven't read the book, that I've seen pics of Hank's new costume and it looks absolutely idiotic. Bleech.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 22, 2009, 09:14:52 AM
No sumviews this week for me. I think I'm done with those for awhile. *gasp*. Anyway, these are all reviews and some contain spoilers...hence the tags.

Mighty Avengers #21:

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Spider-man Noir #2:

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X-men Legacy #220:

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Astonishing X-men #28:

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Uncanny Annual #2:

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X-men: Manifest Destiny #5:

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Dr. Doom and the Masters of Evil #1:

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Wolverine Origins #32:

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Dark Avengers #1:

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http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19645 - Paul Cornell talks vampires in his next story-arc of CB&MI13

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19556 - Stryfe is back...and X-force may be in trouble!

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=11571 - Ultimate Spider-man...over?

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=11630 - Ultimate She-hulk...she exists?!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2009, 04:13:08 PM
I loved the UXM Annual, I hated Mighty Avengers ( I just thought it was too on the nose and I am ticked about how the Young Avengers have been treated), I liked Astonishing X-Men and I'm sure I will think Dark Avengers is ok but hate a lot of it secretly.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Xenolith on January 22, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
I gotta say that I really like X-Men/Spider-Man.  The artist reminds me of a cross between Golden and Windsor-Smith for some reason.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 22, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
What word of Emma's didn't she keep from Whedon's run on Astonishing?

I think Dark Avengers is weird.  It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros.  Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character.  And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull?  And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe?  Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?

Manifest Destiny was largely pointless.  I'm so sick of Mystique - I mean, she can look like other people and she'd psychotic, and that's somehow a defence against Iceman, probably one of the most powerful X-men?  She should have been dead & stayed dead after the recent Wolverine storyline, at least for a few years.

Mighty Avengers bugged me too - the Young Avengers have been getting the short end of the stick for some time, the Scarlett Witch is another character I've always hated, and Hank Pym doesn't do much for me either (so this issue's little love-fest for him fell flat).  Hercules & Amadeus Cho weren't nearly as well-written as in Incredible Hercules, and what does USAgent bring to the team - a shield?  Because in what other ways is he like Cap?  At least the Hulk is out from under Loeb's thumb a little, even if he is retconned back into idiocy.  I'm not a big fan of magic super-villains either because it's usually just an excuse for logic & reason to get thrown out the window.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 22, 2009, 07:59:33 PM
What word of Emma's didn't she keep from Whedon's run on Astonishing?

Final arc of his run, and I brought this up in the last thread as well, Emma promised Danger that if it/she helped them, she'd take her/it to Xavier. It didn't happen. Unresolved.

So, Carey picked it back up with Rogue in the place of Emma.

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Manifest Destiny was largely pointless.  I'm so sick of Mystique - I mean, she can look like other people and she'd psychotic, and that's somehow a defence against Iceman, probably one of the most powerful X-men?  She should have been dead & stayed dead after the recent Wolverine storyline, at least for a few years.

See Pod! Someone else does agree with me! :P
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I'm surprised no one responded to Ultimate Spidey possibly being canceled (and relaunched...). I'd also like to comment on X-factor, but I probably won't until next week. Twas quite an issue though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2009, 08:00:28 PM
I think Dark Avengers is weird.  It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros.  Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character.  And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull?  And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe?  Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?

What what what! Noh Varr isn't a villain. The implies he's done something evil (which he most certainly has not)! Yeah so what he tried to conquer the Earth (he's like the US, we mean well by destroying other people's government but at our core we think we are spreading our awesome ideas!) but he's a young man and like all men his age he was confused when he came into contact with a foreign people).

Ares hasn't been a true villain in a while (since before his mini). Yeah so what he fights with Herc (Havok and Cyke use to fight all the time but neither is seen as villain) and he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and fought the Avengers (Wolverine has a huge death toll and he's even fought the X-Men a few times) but he's a God and Gods are above good and evil, especially ones who govern over war. I mean come on, Thor fought for the Nazis and no one calls him "evil" which we all know Nazis most certainly were.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: crimsonquill on January 22, 2009, 08:05:59 PM
Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?

That's part of Osbourne's plan... He was given the keys of the kingdom for being a "war hero" so he is playing up the fact that he revamped The Avengers under his banner while on the other hand declares the originals are pretenders (or Skrull imposters if he has to push for a "Wanted: Dead Or Alive" warrent for them later). As far as the government and general public know the Thunderbolts are locked away in their cells until he needs the old team in public view again. And by making Venom appear as Spider-Man in public he can unleash him in a crowd against a villian but score revenge points on the real hero by declaring that his unheroic actions are just living up to the "menace" that The Bugle always declared he was. ("My apologies that 34 people were hurt during Spider-Man's battle with Zzax.. HAMMER will make sure the damage is repaired and pay for the medical bills of those injured. He will be punished for his bad decisions during the operation and will be dealt with severly. I will not have anyone on my team acting irresponsible or using bad judgement.")
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 22, 2009, 08:43:28 PM
Even though I enjoyed mighty avengers, I have to agree with those who're saying the Young Avengers are getting the shaft time and again. They're by far my favorite superteam, and I wish somebody would get his act together and bring back their own series.
My youthful idealism, though, gives me hope that perhaps with the return of Wanda, it could lead into a new YA series, or at least more of a spotlight on Wiccan (possibly Hulkling by extension?) and Speed.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on January 22, 2009, 09:53:43 PM
You're right dude...  like whats up with Young X-men, Nick's Secret Avenger's Avenger's Initiative, etc. when the Young Avengers aren't getting enough page time(screen time, etc)  they're a solid group of characters that took the derivative character and challenged it in an innovative way.  yet they get the shaft again and again... the runaways are like this too.  but i feel they work better in their own continuity.  Young Avengers deserve better.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
You're right dude...  like whats up with Young X-men, Nick's Secret Avenger's Avenger's Initiative, etc. when the Young Avengers aren't getting enough page time(screen time, etc)  they're a solid group of characters that took the derivative character and challenged it in an innovative way.  yet they get the shaft again and again... the runaways are like this too.  but i feel they work better in their own continuity.  Young Avengers deserve better.

While I have no problem with Secret Avengers (I see them as the Outsiders of Marvel) and Initiative (like the Titan run from the early 2000's old mentors Astro and a few others teaching the noobs about powers but in this case they are force to learn rather than hilarious mishaps that would happen if someone that age had powers), I am a little annoyed with Young X-Men (thank Ares it is canceled). It felt so forced and the cast stunk.

I think the deal with YA is well they are waiting on Allen and Jimmy. It was there baby and hopefully one day they will come back and work on it again.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 23, 2009, 03:55:25 AM
I think the deal with YA is well they are waiting on Allen and Jimmy. It was there baby and hopefully one day they will come back and work on it again.

Yep that's it.
The Young Avengers has been on hold since issue 12 of their series. It is the most annoying and frustrating thing I've probably seen in comics but Marvel decided to wait for Heinberg. In the interim we get little mini-series and guest appearances with little or no development for any of the characters.

But there's hope. Marvel has stated that Heinberg and Cheung are doing a 'Marvel Universe Project' starring the Young Avengers and involving Kang (Iron Lad). Sadly there's no announced timeline on this thing but I'm expecting it in late 2009 to early 2010 (or you know, never). Honestly I'm hoping once it's done that Marvel lets another writer do a new ongoing. Obviously Heinberg is completely unable to work in monthly comics.

So yeah there won't be any true Young Avengers content for a long while.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 23, 2009, 04:17:28 AM
I think Dark Avengers is weird.  It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros.  Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character.  And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull?  And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe?  Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?

What what what! Noh Varr isn't a villain. The implies he's done something evil (which he most certainly has not)! Yeah so what he tried to conquer the Earth (he's like the US, we mean well by destroying other people's government but at our core we think we are spreading our awesome ideas!) but he's a young man and like all men his age he was confused when he came into contact with a foreign people).

Ares hasn't been a true villain in a while (since before his mini). Yeah so what he fights with Herc (Havok and Cyke use to fight all the time but neither is seen as villain) and he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and fought the Avengers (Wolverine has a huge death toll and he's even fought the X-Men a few times) but he's a God and Gods are above good and evil, especially ones who govern over war. I mean come on, Thor fought for the Nazis and no one calls him "evil" which we all know Nazis most certainly were.

Well, I guess Noh-varr isn't a villain (I forgot about him in my first post actually), and Ares isn't one anymore (questionable).  The point stands - it's basically the premise of Thunderbolts.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 24, 2009, 02:55:42 AM
I just read X-Factor, and can't say I particularly enjoyed it.  I don't want to spoil it necessarily, but it felt needlessly cruel, and based on a sketchy interpretation of Madrox's powers.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 24, 2009, 04:51:19 AM
I agree that it was cruel, but based on the fact that the opening pages asked us not to spoil this issue, or the next couple issues, I'm really hoping this is leading up to something really interesting, and this is just the tip of it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 29, 2009, 06:00:48 AM
I find it hilarious that we don't have a DC thread  :lol:

Quickie reviews today:

X-Force:
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Young X-Men:
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Avengers: The Initiative:
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Amazing Spider-Man Extra 2
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Well that's my week. How was yours?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Vertex on January 29, 2009, 02:25:47 PM


Well that's my week. How was yours?



I read Nova  :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

I'M NOT HAPPY!!!!!

They have 1 issue to rectify this, or there will be a new Marvel invasion series. Vertex invades the Marvel offices!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 29, 2009, 06:22:19 PM
So umm.... something happened in Nova?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 30, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
I just read Incredible Hercules this week, and...did Marvel just kill Wonder Woman?

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on January 31, 2009, 05:06:26 AM
So I finally got around to reading Deadpool #6. What took so long, right?

I loved it. I "lol'd" about 3-5 times. True Story.

Life is good again. ^_^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: crimsonquill on January 31, 2009, 05:31:28 AM
They have 1 issue to rectify this, or there will be a new Marvel invasion series. Vertex invades the Marvel offices!

Based on the fact that Nova and Darkhawk are going to tie into "War Of Kings" I'm pretty sure that things will work out for the better in the end... however previews of upcoming covers are showing that Nova is going on a slight detour after the aftermath of the upcoming issue before he enters the big battle.

- CQ
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 19, 2009, 12:01:23 PM
Am I really that needed to keep this thread afloat?

Black Panther V5 #1:

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Bottom line: Pass on this issue. It’s really not worth it. 1.5 out of 5. The art kind of saves it…but then again, this was billed as double sized which is a bit misleading. The story is regular size with a bunch of extra stuff (previews) thrown in.

New Exiles #18:

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I…I just don’t know what to make of this…so…0 out of 5. Very disappointing…even for Claremont. Explosive final issue my butt. I recommend that you avoid this book like you’d avoid a virus.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on February 19, 2009, 04:19:47 PM
I read some books yesterday, but I'll just do quicky reviews

Young X-Men
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Story is about as good as you can get with this title. Nothing too outrageous like Phoenix Ink but it's nothing special. I really liked the art though. Sandoval does the present day scenes and Acuna does the future. Both do a great job.
3/5

X-Factor
No spoilers, except to say that something happens that people have been waiting a while for.
Art's good, story is ok, it's the type of thing you should expect out of X-Factor.
3/5
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on February 20, 2009, 04:11:09 AM
X-Men Kingbreaker 3
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Dark Avengers 2
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: crimsonquill on February 20, 2009, 05:27:04 AM
Why is Morgan Le Fay mad at Dr. Doom?  I'm not really sure.

For the last few years Doom had been seeing Morgan romantically and it was hardly noticed by readers who didn't recognize her right off the bat. Apparently Doom was using her to get access to her spellbooks and her inside knowledge of magics that he never really tried to harness for himself before plus it was a great place to hide out and crash while he was planning to take back his kingdom. Now Morgan figured out she was being used and he never planned on keeping his promises to her when he reappeared as part of the Cabal.. and "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

- CQ
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on February 20, 2009, 11:20:23 AM
I found Dark Avengers rather...lite.
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I give it 2 out of 5, for the art.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on February 20, 2009, 07:58:13 PM
Okay....What in Hell is wrong with Bendis?...

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on February 20, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
...Is this Bendis' job at Marvel?..To sucker people into buying Avengers books that have nothing substantial in them at 3.99 a pop?

Actually... yes.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on February 22, 2009, 04:54:20 AM
X-Factor 39 & 40  Peter David asked readers not to spoil these issues, but nuts to him.  If you don't want to know, don't click the spoiler tag.
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 22, 2009, 05:27:04 AM
X-Factor 39 & 40  Peter David asked readers not to spoil these issues, but nuts to him.  If you don't want to know, don't click the spoiler tag.
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I find it a bit amusing that more people spoke out against what Pete David did in X-factor than what he did in She-hulk a few issues ago during the Lady Libs arc. ^^. Anyway, X-factor 39 is passed the expiration date, but issue 40 is still fresh, so I'll stay vague. Issue 40 was very mediocre and dark until the final page. If it wasn't for that final page, I don't know if I could recommend the last two issues because I'm very wary of books that rely too heavily on twist endings and shockers. Sure, it may get you to talking...but it also feels cheap.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on February 22, 2009, 05:39:05 AM
I'm about of a mind that when the day comes that Joe Q is no longer in charge, if someone sane takes over as EIC, the first thing they need to do is say "Okay, EVERYTHING that happened under that moron fanboy who proceeded me NEVER happened!". The second thing? Fire Bendis, or ban him from working on anything outside the Ultimate line.


Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: bearded on February 22, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
I find it a bit amusing that more people spoke out against what Pete David did in X-factor than what he did in She-hulk a few issues ago during the Lady Libs arc. ^^. Anyway, X-factor 39 is passed the expiration date, but issue 40 is still fresh, so I'll stay vague. Issue 40 was very mediocre and dark until the final page. If it wasn't for that final page, I don't know if I could recommend the last two issues because I'm very wary of books that rely too heavily on twist endings and shockers. Sure, it may get you to talking...but it also feels cheap.
i've been trying to find this ref, what did he do in she hulk during the ll arc?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on February 22, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
She Hulk, Jazinda, Sue Storm, Valkyrie?, and some nutcase named Thundra band together to take care of a humanitarian aid problem. She Hulk literally gets captured and tied to the villain's bed..... somehow he'd managed to come up with a (daterapeish) drug that could subdue her and used it as a gas grenade. she then had to hope Jazinda rescued her before something happened.....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 22, 2009, 12:18:08 PM
i've been trying to find this ref, what did he do in she hulk during the ll arc?

What Marhawk said...but I wrote a whole post (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=48952.msg668347#msg668347) on it earlier in this thread. Just check that out.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on February 22, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
Hmm *reads* actually the reverse has been done in the past. It's just that it doesn't seem to have quite the same impact...
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on February 22, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
Ok, what about poor Hulk during the Maestro storyline? He was paralyzed and the Betty lookalike slave had her, umm... way with him as he was helpless. I believe Peter David was responsible for that too?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on February 22, 2009, 05:02:24 PM
The difference between X-factor 39 and the recent She-hulk storyline is that, as horrible as a sexual assault would be, is that it's not just happening to her give the actual main character something to do - She-hulk is the main character.

By bringing up Women in Refridgerator syndrome, I'm not saying fiction shouldn't ever deal with bad things that may happen to women, I'm saying that they shouldn't be used so often as simple devices to move the plot along for another, male, character.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 23, 2009, 08:52:44 PM
My point was that whatever you may think of Siryn's storyline (which was used to finally answer a question related to Jamie from early on), Pete's She-hulk story (where he made a normie more powerful by adding an extra dimension that was not needed to push a point home) was worse scene-wise, imo. Both were cruel-worthy, but at least what happened to Siryn served a purpose in some regards and helped forward some part of the x-factor lore. What did She-hulk's scene really serve storywise? I had more written, but it enters heavy territory, so I'll save it.
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On the light side, previews:

NC: Quitting time (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6982) - This interview does nothing for me. It actually makes me dislike the idea a bit more than I already did.

Messiah War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/955/955579p1.html)

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on February 24, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Actually I thought the "answer" was STUPID! Um, seriously the child is half Siryn. How do you absorb someone else?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on February 24, 2009, 07:49:35 PM
Actually I thought the "answer" was STUPID! Um, seriously the child is half Siryn. How do you absorb someone else?

Exactly!  And really, a child is genetically half the mother, but physically about 99.99% contributed by the mother.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BentonGrey on February 24, 2009, 11:03:08 PM
*Pulls out his classic X-Men and goes back to ignoring modern comics* :wacko:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 25, 2009, 04:02:42 AM
eh, when it comes to scientific matters in non-scientific books, I tend to ignore it unless it's really pushing the boundaries of common sense. I mean, we're arguing about a guy that can pop out a clone with different personality traits. A guy that has produced a clone in someone before...but for killing purposes. But then again, I did say I was wary of books that rely on shockers and twist endings, which is what PAD is skirting on as of now. When he finishes tying up all his plots, then I'll have more definite thoughts on his storylines, ramifications, character development, and specifically, this Jamie/Siryn/M situation.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on February 25, 2009, 02:08:20 PM
The Layla one sounds cool.  this one was not. :(
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on February 26, 2009, 04:38:43 AM
Read some comics today.

X-Force 12:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I enjoyed the issue. A new scary threat, insight into Bastion and his cabal, tying into the rest of the X-line (as poor as the rest may be). And some good art. A solid 4/5.
Next month Hellion guest stars; possibly for the last time...

Avengers: The Initiative 22:
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Enjoyed this too. It's mostly just a big fight scene, but basically the whole cast appears and we get little tidbits here and there for most of the main-er characters - which is the type of thing I like about this book.

Another thing I realized reading this book is that a big fight scene with a guy like Chor is so much more tense to read in a book like this. None of these guys are A-list characters, it's so much easier for a writer to kill or maim any of them that I'm honestly worried turning each page about what could happen. And that's a good thing in my book. I pretty much love the whole cast here from Justice down to Gorilla Girl - I don't want anything to happen to them.

Art is by Ramos, it's funky, but I like it. 4/5

Mighty Avengers 22:
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Didn't enjoy this issue as much as the first. The art is worse, and Pham was inconsistent to begin with. Also it's all about magic gobbledygook - which I'm rarely a fan of. Still I'm enjoying the team interaction and I'm sure I'll enjoy this book alot more when we're out of the magic stuff. 3/5
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on February 26, 2009, 02:29:24 PM
By all rights, I should have really enjoyed Mighty Avengers #22 a lot more than I did. Just because it's not Bendis writing it. But I too felt the art was a bit lacking, it felt sketchy and like layouts rather than full art some of the time. It was serviceable enough, I guess, I could tell who was who and what was happening, but it didn't really appeal to me.
The story was OK, but felt oddly disconnected from current Marvel continuity somehow, even though they had definite points to establish it in continuity.
I should be a lot more excited by a "proper" avengers book. But the new wasp looks wrong to me and seems to be exactly the same powerset as yellowjacket was, so it's just pointless and a little creepy, almost like Hank was wearing Jan's old costumes. Jocasta seems off somehow, maybe that's her new character but I don't quite know who she is or what she can do anymore. USAgent was last seen in Omega flight but that seems completely forgotten about now, I can't remember much about it, anyway. I have no idea about the Hulk anymore, and he seems "unreal" somehow. Is he WWHulk? Red Hulk? Dumb Old Hulk? I don't know. Iron Man I've pretty much come to loathe as an autocratic corrupt incompetent. Quicksilver and the Scarlet witch have been pretty much ruined and diluted to the point where I have no idea what their powers and characters are anymore. Stature is OK but I don't care about her one way or the other and her powers are a redundancy with Pym on the team. Hercules and Cho I'm OK with.
Now, none of these minus points about the characters are down to Slott himself. I absolve him of blame for the fact that I no longer know about or care about 90% of the Marvel Universe. And he is starting to make me want to read an Avengers book again (Initiative doesn't count as an Avengers book to me).
It does feel different to the Bendis era, and better. Maybe it will take a longer period of time to wash away the bad memories.
Of course, Busiek and Perez did it in their first issue, and I liked Slott's first issue, but Pham is no Perez, by a long long way.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 26, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
I didn't particularly enjoy Mighty or New Avengers and it really hurts the story for me to see dialogue and scenes repeated week after week. I understand the point of it...but for the same scenes from a week or two ago to still be playing out this week is a bit annoying for me personally. Regardless, Mighty Avengers was very meh for me (3) only because Hercules's voice is still a bit off and it's not very engaging as of the moment. I'm not so sure that the book should have started off with this plot especially considering QS has been off panel since his one shot where he randomly got his original powers back. I think he needed more time to expand before being thrust back into a story where he ends up trapped/body kidnapped. I guess the same thing could be said about Scarlet Witch who hasn't been touched on since.........development wise, Beast and Hawkeye sought her out...storywise, Young Avengers presents. As for the Hulk situation, I think that should have been handled a long time ago. It should have been done in his book...unfortunately, he shares half of that book with Red Hulk and Banner basically gets no plot outside of "chasing Red Hulk".

As for New...um...I don't really remember the bulk of it except the New Avengers standing around watching the broadcast from...2 weeks ago? Well, I remember the basic plot, but I wasn't impressed by it. At the very least, everyone will know about Daken (Wolverine's son) much quicker than I imagined they would. Seeing Daken actually interact with other villains and attempt to get along with them (considering how that has worked out in the past) could be interesting...if anyone ever gets around to giving him his own personality and not just "angst-ridden Logan lite". This is also a 3 for me. Oh, I guess Clint's media speech at the end of the book about Norman and his regime could make some people happy.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on February 26, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
Count me in as let down by both New & Mighty Avengers.  For a 50th issue, New Avenger was nothing special (they fight Hood's gang again - yay?), and Mighty Avengers just seems...scattered.  The team is all over the place, with power-redundancies & sketchy character choices, characterization seems flat, and the plot just isn't doing it for me.

Of more enjoyment was Nova 22
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Edit: and is it just me, or does Runaways suck now?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 27, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
She-Hulk #38:

"Book's canceled." The fact that PAD worked that into the final page is a plus! The final issue was good. It wasn't perfect, but it was a much better read than the final issue of New Exiles...but that's not saying much. It's really nice to see how strong Shulk and Jazinda's friendship is and it's even better to see the book end on a positive note with the core team of the Lady Liberators (depending on how you see the Red Hulk version of the LL's). There's not much to say without spoiling the book, but it was a fun ride while it lasted. Maybe one day the book will be relaunched...for the 900th time. The only slight against it, I guess, would be that the art/colors could be a bit better, but it is still worthy of a 3 out of 5!
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Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk #3...yes, it does still exist!: CLICK (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20194)

Deadpool: Suicide King: Click (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7034.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Deadpool~colon~_Suicide_King_%231)

War of the Kings #1: Click (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19832)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on February 27, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
I didn't mind New Avengers bad because I honestly like the way Luke and Jessica are written and I like the Hood. The Initiative was ok.

I did however find Dark Avengers and Mighty Avengers hard to enjoy especially since I love Ares and Marvel Boy...I mean Captain Marvel. I'm still confused why Noh-Varr would join this team. Ares makes sense but Noh-Varr should be either trying to discover his way (especially after the Captain Skrull-vell thing) instead he hangs out with twisted version of good characters. If that is the path they want to take Noh-Varr to it would be completely against who the character is. He isn't a villain despite his attempt at conquering New York, he's a confused, Kree youth who has no place to go but wants to live up he barely understands. Also does he have new powers now because he should be eating garbage and spitting mind-control toxins are people.

Also I demand a Thor versus Ares comic drawn by Oliver Coipel!

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on February 28, 2009, 09:04:46 PM
Wolverine Origins #33:

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Um...no. This book works fine for what it is, but all the retconning of Wolverine's history to now tie it into the Hudsons (a secret revealed in this book is that Wolverine and his son are Hudsons and his mother was Elizabeth Hudson...so it ties him in more with Alpha Flight as well) and Romulus is complicated. Sometimes things work better with a simpler approach and I see this reveal being retconned like all the other Wolverine reveals/history flubs. My major problem rests solely on Daken though. Way and the rest of the writers that touch him aren't even trying to make him an interesting "NEW" character. For all purposes, he's just a younger, worse-looking, Wolverine...a mere clone with actual Logan DNA. He should have been the one to bite the dust instead of Sabretooth. I said it. :P Tis a 2...out of 5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on March 02, 2009, 07:00:47 PM
well, they said something about Daken wanting Adamantium and "sort of" getting it, but not quite the way he wanted. Maybe this means he won't actually get the sword?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on March 03, 2009, 04:57:36 AM
Eh, Sabretooth biting the dust was long overdue - but that doesn't mean that Daken shouldn't join him on the scrap heap.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on March 04, 2009, 06:09:57 PM
It's too early to kill Daken. He needs to simmer for a while. Maybe get semi written off temporarily.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on March 05, 2009, 09:07:40 AM
I didn't mind New Avengers bad because I honestly like the way Luke and Jessica are written and I like the Hood. The Initiative was ok.

I did however find Dark Avengers and Mighty Avengers hard to enjoy especially since I love Ares and Marvel Boy...I mean Captain Marvel. I'm still confused why Noh-Varr would join this team. Ares makes sense but Noh-Varr should be either trying to discover his way (especially after the Captain Skrull-vell thing) instead he hangs out with twisted version of good characters. If that is the path they want to take Noh-Varr to it would be completely against who the character is. He isn't a villain despite his attempt at conquering New York, he's a confused, Kree youth who has no place to go but wants to live up he barely understands. Also does he have new powers now because he should be eating garbage and spitting mind-control toxins are people.

Also I demand a Thor versus Ares comic drawn by Oliver Coipel!



As far as Noh-Varr goes, I assume the name change is a result of 1) Osborn wanting to portray a more powerful and experienced image, and 2) because Mavel Boy (Bob Grayson) is currently active with the Agents of Atlas.
Also, if you've read Ms. Marvel, (i believe) she confronted Noh-Varr and questioned him about his adoption of the Captain Marvel mantle, as well as his involvement with Osborn. His somewhat cryptic responses seem to indicate that he knows all about Osborn and that he's not in it to be his puppet, so hopefully that aspect will be played up.

Also, I completely agree about Thor vs. Ares.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on March 05, 2009, 07:24:25 PM
Secret Warrriors 2
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War of Kings 1
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on March 06, 2009, 03:05:10 PM
SW2 is ridiculous, but I think that Strucker wasn't intending to kill everyone, just destroy the base.

WoK has shown quite vividly that Vulcan is Nuts. Then again he was always nuts.... He was raised by a maniac after all....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on March 06, 2009, 03:15:59 PM
WoK has shown quite vividly that Vulcan is Nuts. Then again he was always nuts.... He was raised by a maniac after all....

He was artificially aged and raised a slave.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Xenolith on March 06, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
I liked War of Kings #1, but I'm a fan of Abnett and Lanning's work.  Check out their Warhammer 40K novels if you have the chance.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 09, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
Highlight on...Namor

It’s been awhile since I’ve actually done an indepth review, so pardon me if I’m rusty. I just finished reading all the issues back to back, so I think I can actually talk about this book now since the last issue came out last week. So…let’s go!

Sub-Mariner: The Depths #1-5

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_cover-large.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=cover-large.jpg)

Though his name may hold the title, make no mistake, as this is not a Namor led story. It’s about a man, Dr. Randolph Stein, as he joins a crew of “deep sea men” in the search of Atlantis. Not because he has any interest in finding it, but because he specializes in disproving myths and legends such as that of the legendary abominable snowman. In this Marvel Knights title by Peter Milligan of X-force fame and Art by Esad Ribic, whom you might know from Wolverine, Loki, or Silver Surfer fame, we learn that Namor is not the heroic, but arrogant, man we know of from WWII, but is seemingly a horrible underwater myth. He’s a creature of the night that will do anything to protect his underwater kingdom of Atlantis. And so it begins…

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In the end, one would think that a book named “Sub-Mariner” would feature more…”Sub-Mariner”. It doesn’t and, considering the tone and themes, it works. This isn’t really a book about Namor, but a book about an initially sympathetic character and his self-appointed job of dispelling myths and legends. When he can no longer do his job and all his rationality starts to cave in on him, what’s a man to do but question his own beliefs and morality? Tis a 4.5 out of 5. Go get it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 12, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
NC: Quitting time/Manifest Destiny: NC

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This book didn't make sense. I understand the premise and it's nice to see NC doing stuff again and actually being efficient, but him feeling useless because of Pixie makes no sense and it was really forcing it with the final few pages just to show NC he has a place even if it's combat teleporting. He does have more skills than that, it's just writers don't utilize him as an effective character anymore. Also, I'm always wary of Mephisto and magic showing up around NC. It's a 1 out of 5. It probably will hold no type of relevance beyond this oneshot. Oh, yeah, the art was not very good at all. The book is completely forgettable in every sense of the word and that's disappointing for one of the best X-men characters still around and kicking. Also, it's unforgivable that a "quitting" issue doesn't give us an actual insight on NC nor does it allow us to see how his friends appreciate him. A scene with just Cyclops at the beginning is not enough. Skip the issue.

As a side note, James Asmus wrote the issue and I have no recollection of him as a writer. Has he written anything before?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on March 12, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
Hmm... the art was the only thing I enjoyed from this story.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 12, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
Hmm... the art was the only thing I enjoyed from this story.

*shrugs* I found most of it to be ok, but certain areas were rough and off to me. Nothing that I found to be very impressive, but that's just me.

Previews:

Ultimatum 3: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2214&disp=table

Wolverine: Weapon X #1: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2213&disp=table

X-men Forever: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/030911-X-Men-Forever01.html
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Mystik on March 12, 2009, 11:18:28 PM
the new mutants
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14320999/img_6538516.html (http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14320999/img_6538516.html)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on March 13, 2009, 07:12:04 AM
Hmm... Why is Legion in the pic?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Troll on March 13, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
And where is Rahne?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on March 13, 2009, 06:55:42 PM
Hmm... Why is Legion in the pic?

Legion is part of the first arc.

And where is Rahne?

She's on X-Force. She won't be a regular character in New Mutants.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on March 13, 2009, 07:23:03 PM
Doug has weird cracks all over his suit and looks a bit odd, is he some kind of zombie?  Have Dani's powers returned? 

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on March 13, 2009, 10:47:32 PM
Doug has weird cracks all over his suit and looks a bit odd, is he some kind of zombie?  Have Dani's powers returned? 

Dana

Yeah I noticed that about Doug. Not sure what's up, have to wait for the series.

Dani is currently still powerless.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on March 13, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on March 14, 2009, 04:25:26 AM
amazing costume designs in my opinion
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on March 14, 2009, 05:37:52 AM
Maybe Dani just uses a bow now? I do like the costume design too.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on March 14, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
I just like that Warlock is in this. I have a soft spot for weird alien robots, so sue me.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 14, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
I just like that Warlock is in this. I have a soft spot for weird alien robots, so sue me.

*sues you*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on March 14, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.

Truth in most of your points about Bobby, but he has flown before under his own power.  I also don't know why CC keeps getting work (at least on X-books)...He really should try another type of book, maybe he'd be able to actually have some fresh, different ideas?

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 14, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.

Truth in most of your points about Bobby, but he has flow before under his own power.  I also don't know why CC keeps getting work (at least on X-books)...He really should try another type of book, maybe he'd be able to actually have some fresh, different ideas?

Dana

Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.

Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on March 14, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.

Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p

hasn't Claremont written the FF book in the past?  I think he actually worked previously on all of the books/characters you named above, Prev.

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 14, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.

Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p

hasn't Claremont written the FF book in the past?  I think he actually worked previously on all of the books/characters you named above, Prev.

Dana

Indeed he has, just not a major presence. He's returned to all the books that made him big, he wasn't big anywhere else (and he used Spidey to bring Captain Britain state wise). So, if he were to finally leave the X-verse, where would he go? He doesn't have a big pull anywhere else. ^^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on March 19, 2009, 04:35:15 AM
I guess I should review some comics...

X-Force:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'll give the issue a 4/5. The art is sometimes murky, funky, and somewhat inconsistent but I like it, and the plot maybe could use a bit more meat but I felt a real sense of suspense waiting to see the fates of the captured mutants, and frustration with how it ended.

Young X-Men finale:
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I'm going to give this a 2.5/5. I actually quite liked the present day stuff, the teams reactions to Dust's death were very good. Was less impressed by the one off return at the end, just seemed random to just bring them back like that. I love the art. Sandoval is great, he gets a little rough near the end though, and Acuna is great for the future sequence (I probably would have disliked his art if it was the present, but it works this way).
The future sequence drags the issue down. I just found it mostly useless. Dust is kinda cliched and I think it's just a poor idea for a number of reasons. If someone picks it up maybe it'll work out, but I have my doubts. And if no one picks it up half the issue was wasted for nothing.
I might have given this a 4 if not for the future sequence.

X-Factor:
Madrox meets up with Layla and we catch up with the rest of the cast. Not going to go into much more than that, PAD's on his no spoilers rampage.
It's an good read, but I wanted a bit more, felt kinda like a heres what everyone is doing issue. I really wanted more of Layla, the issue didn't really give much answers there. Art's good but De Landro is just missing an extra ooph. Might be colouring, it's a little drab for my tastes.
I'll give it a 3.5/5.

Spider-Girl:
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This is the final issue, but the series continues online and in Spider-Man family. I give it a 3.5/5. I found the issue rehashed some old ideas, like the mental fight which a similar thing was used in Spider-Girl 100 and somehow things seemed a little too easy in the end, but it's still a decent read. I really liked how they resolved the whole Brand New May stuff, didn't expect it to end like that. Also I thought Frenz did a good job recreating the old scenes.

Spider-man and Extra 3
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I'll give these two a combined 3. I really liked New Ways to Die but Character Assassination never really clicked the same way. Spidey going to prison didn't quite work out for me. Still it's an ok read and really ties up most of the ongoing plots of BND. I've mostly enjoyed BND but it's a mixed bag, some stuff I really like others are very meh. I'd prefer a tighter plot development, too many one off stories after New Ways to Die. The Extra is kinda a giant subplot issue. We get Flash coming back, Harry dealing with his issues, Vin's situation, and check in on Kraven. I love that kinda stuff, but none of the stories really stand out that strongly. Art is just ok. Wasn't feeling JRjr like I sometimes do, And Jimenez was ok but there's not much in the story to get excited about.


Anyone got Ultimatum spoilers? I want to see what Loeb's newest abomination is.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 19, 2009, 10:34:08 AM
Thanks, Pod. I haven't read X-force yet, so I skipped the spoiler. Young X-men sounds... X-factor, I'm a little tired of PAD's online persona. Nothing all that "shocking" or dramatic even happened in this issue except for, perhaps, the return of someone from a recent one shot? Still...nothing to be all that guarded about.

I said I was going to try and keep up with Ultimatum, but I literally forgot about it until I read USM...and then I forgot again. Doesn't help that it never comes out on time. :P.
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X-men Legacy #222:

Last issue, Gambit and Xavier were still looking for Rogue, but had no idea where she could be. Meanwhile, Rogue found herself in mortal danger as a gun was pointed at her head and the book ended just after it was fired.

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It’s an average read. Nothing really stood out in this issue as exciting or all that interesting. It’d be fun getting this insight on characters if we hadn’t already traveled this road before with Rogue. If this arc leads to her finally getting a new purpose or sense of worth, I’ll be fine with it, but if it’s just going to be a rehash, I’ll be disappointed. However, it was nice seeing some old scenes repeated in this book and I think this is the first Astonishing V3/Whedon flashback, so maybe the book is finally about to find its way into its new function as a “non team, but X-related” book…thing. It’s a 3.

Ultimate X-men #100:

I haven’t bought this book in awhile and I don’t even recall looking up information for issue #99, but this is the big finale and Ultimatum tie in. It’s no secret that this series has been very bad for a few years, but maybe Heroes’ writer, Aron Coleite, can finally give us something worthy as I haven’t liked anything by him since the first issue he did. Also, it’s odd seeing Beast on the cover as I was sure he was dead, but hey, just a cover.

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This, um…the ending was very subpar and so very little *significant* action actually happened. Back when this series started, I would have NEVER expected an ending like this. I did, actually, like the idea of how chaotic an evil Jamie could be, but this book didn’t do much with it. I guess part of the problem with Ultimate Jamie is that I have no connection to him and he was never really expanded on. He was just a rarely used Brotherhood member. I just didn’t ever really connect with the story because nothing really mattered. Part of this is because of Ultimatum, but most of it comes from how far all these characters have fallen. NOTHING was resolved in this book. It’s the finale of the ongoing (I’m ignoring requiem and Ultimatum) and, for the most part, everything just rushed by. Trying to put all this development into Jamie last minute isn’t going to make me care about him. Having the team discuss Xavier’s death at the beginning of the book didn’t do anything for me. It felt distant and unmoving. I was hoping for something much stronger…something that would push this team to consider and do things they had never thought of before. The scene we got was flat. I guess that can’t be helped as Xavier had just died 10 or so issues before, but still…this time he’s really dead and there needed to be some type of emotion from these kids. It’s a 2. The book was too rushed in several aspects and, despite some action shots, nothing really stood out to me. It’s quite an unfitting end to a book that USED to outdo the mainstream X-men. Sad.

Uncanny X-men #507:

Last issue, Beast and his team of nerds landed on an island overrun with creatures to save a scientist long thought dead and Colossus had finally begun to take down a mob boss from his past, and surprisingly, Emma Frost was willing to help him.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This book was pretty blah for the most part. There was no central plot, it just jumped all over the place picking and tying up things on a whim instead of doing it naturally. I’m sure at least a day passed somewhere in the middle of the book. I mean, it’s good that it FINALLY touched on things such as Colossus’s grief, Magneto/High Evolutionary, Emma/Shaw/Namor from the annual, and Beast finding out about Warren’s secret, but it could have been done in a much more effective manner. 2 out of 5. Just to note, the art was a little off in some points and the book was the definition of rushing some plots to their ending. Also, I don’t know what going on with this nice softer Emma and then “real/current” Emma coming off later in the book, but they need to find a middle ground with her already.

Wolverine Origins #34:

Last issue, Wolverine and Nick Fury teamed up to stop Daken from obtaining a sword and Cyclops and the Aston—Unca—the X-men went to threaten Daken with said sword because Cyclops is a great leader these days.

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It was an adequate read and actually had a better team than what Uncanny typically gives us. Still, the Daken/Wolverine thing is getting a bit bleh as these stories currently aren’t connected with the rest of the Marvel universe or even the X-verse. What’s of particular interest is the continuous dissolving of Emma and Cyclops's trust and commitment to each other, as well as Beast’s and Cyclops’s relationship. In fact, Cyclops new stance on the mutant race may end up distancing him from all his core group of friends because even Wolverine found himself pleading with Scott to hand over Daken. And as much as I may not like Daken, seeing him effectively take out the entire team of X-men not by using brutal force, but instead advanced planning, was quite a great few panels. Because of this, I consider this a 3. The art was fairly good as well. Way is certainly better at handling Wolverine and Daken than he was pre-Legacy crossover...that does not extend to most of the other characters in this book though.

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Previews:

Messiah War- IGN (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p1.html)- updated every day until the 26th
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7185.Watcher_World_Premiere~colon~_New_Avengers_%2351)- Marvel
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7112.Watcher_World_Premiere~colon~_Ult_Wolvie~slash~Hulk_%234)- Marvel 2
Messiah War Prologue (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2255&disp=table)


Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on March 19, 2009, 02:56:08 PM
I did a bad bad thing i got ultimatium 3 today and i have one question





WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 20, 2009, 01:58:38 AM
I did a bad bad thing i got ultimatium 3 today and i have one question

WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE?

Ultimatum #3:

Last issue, stuff happened, people died. This is for you, Pod, even though I swore to destroy you/Canadia after some comment or something.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I’m not rating this and I have no after thoughts.  It would be nice if the plot would, you know, MOVE.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on March 20, 2009, 03:11:58 AM
OMG I just can't believe Ultimatum. Bites off his head?! Who would do that?! Nobody!

Thanks for the spoilers Previsionary, but I'll be on my guard of you. No one threatens my precious Canadia and gets away with it!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on March 20, 2009, 03:20:44 AM
Heh. But I didn't even show you this pic!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_SW.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=SW.jpg)

Isn't that a great picture? Scarlet Witch/Mystique makes Emma look like a nun!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on March 21, 2009, 04:58:02 AM
Did anyone else find this a particularly crappy week in comics?

Dark Avengers 3 was a chore.  Seriously.  I intended to at least give it one story arc, but I don't think I'm gonna make it. 
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None of the X-books really did much for me either.  The X-men taken down by Daken in Wolverine Origins seemed poorly thought out, Uncanny was a mishmash of plot threads, Legacy feels like a rerun, and X-force bugged me with the wonky time-travel logic.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on March 27, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
I'm not bothering to review any comics this week, but did anyone else find it supremely stupid that...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on March 31, 2009, 01:32:01 AM
RE: Messiah War
I am so stoked.
Actually I really like this idea better than Messiah Complex.
Here are a few reasons why:
1. I started (heavily) reading comics in the early 90's
2. X-Force, Deadpool, and Cable were my favourites at the time
3. Domino and Cable together again
4. "Your scratching my brain, a little to the left please."
5. Dayspring Goodness! Waiting to see some As'kani Son references
Although I do feel that they've ruined Bishop beyond all reconciliation... the same has been said of Gambit and Archangel in the past. (and I think Wolverine may have killed more people than Bishop)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 01, 2009, 06:45:03 PM
So GOTG...what did anyone else think?

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 02, 2009, 03:06:24 AM
Haven't been reading GOTG but I have read Nova.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on April 02, 2009, 05:21:04 PM
OK... tell me what THIS is:

http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/12768.htm/#comments

Huh?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 02, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
Dark X-Men?
Loks like Emma, Xavier, Namor, Cloak and Dagger, Mimic, Daken and some Omega guy.
It's either a new series, or part of the Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men crossover I'd think.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 03, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
SO Cloak and Dagger are Dark X-Men now and Ty has become Hispanic possibly Indian? I'm a lot annoyed and confused.

Also Daken is a Avenger and X-Men? He really is his father's son.

EDIT: I don't think it is Cloak and Dagger after all, it is more likely Exodus and Dazzler.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 03, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
lol, AA, Hitman and I said something similar in the shack. Also, I wish Emma would lose her wolverine-esque trait of appearing everywhere.

I don't think that's Dazzler. Costume doesn't match and she hasn't really done anything since New Excalibur, and all she managed to do there was die a lot (putting Jean to shame).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 03, 2009, 02:26:22 PM
lol, AA, Hitman and I said something similar in the shack. Also, I wish Emma would lose her wolverine-esque trait of appearing everywhere.

I don't think that's Dazzler. Costume doesn't match and she hasn't really done anything since New Excalibur, and all she managed to do there was die a lot (putting Jean to shame).



I really have a feeling is it Dazzler. She's been in UXM doing nothing and Exodus and Dazzler were a couple and AOA and they as seen with Sunfire, Marvel isn't afraid to reuse 10 year old ideas. Plus why would Dagger be without Cloak yet again and what happened to the Cloak and Dagger comic? http://savetherobot.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/cloak-and-dagger-get-new-series-in-2009/
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 03, 2009, 05:22:48 PM
I'm wondering if the 2-april thing is a coincidence.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 04, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
SO Cloak and Dagger are Dark X-Men now and Ty has become Hispanic possibly Indian? I'm a lot annoyed and confused.

Also Daken is a Avenger and X-Men? He really is his father's son.

EDIT: I don't think it is Cloak and Dagger after all, it is more likely Exodus and Dazzler.

I've seen speculation that these might not be who they appear to be too.
Either way too early to be annoyed as we really have no idea what this could be. Marvel is tricky like that sometimes.

I'm really expecting this to be part of the Dark Avengers/Uncanny crossover.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Spectre Lad on April 04, 2009, 11:08:24 PM
I am looking forward to Ultimatum 4. Loeb is out Loebing himself.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on April 06, 2009, 09:49:21 AM
The "Cloak" in the pic does indeed, look very much like Exodus...But "Dagger" doesn't look at all like Dazzler (wrong hair color/length and nothing of the costume suggests it's Dazzler...You'd think there would be some clue)...It would be funny if it was Darkstar back from the dead.

I wonder why Emma would be wearing black, though?  She's never worn black, has she?

It's got to be the ever-whiney, Weapon Omega in the red and white (behind "Emma").  He's floating and too small of frame to be Omega Red (as some folks have suggested on other boards)...And thank dog he's not in Canada and in the Guardian uniform, anymore...Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Daken is of course, easy to spot if his claws (or tattoos) are showing...Typical of Marvel to start having Daken on various teams...Like father, like son? 

I'm also guessing that's Mimic in the back as folks have suggested...I doubt it's Warren.

Maybe "Xavier" is really Lex Luthor?  LOL!

Speculating is fun, but in the end...The only book I'm getting lately is GOTG.

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on April 06, 2009, 01:57:23 PM
my guesstimations:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Spectre Lad on April 06, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
I am pretty sure those aren't sideburns just shadow/inking on Xavier.

Also Dazzler is currently shorting long hair blonde hair just like the female in the preview: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Dazzler_wiki.png

I personally think it is Dagger though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 06, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later

As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 06, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later

As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.

Unless Emma let him out. That might be her on the team.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 06, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later

As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.

Unless Emma let him out. That might be her on the team.

Perhaps, but she seemed particularly mad at him at the time (ignoring the way her personality seems to fluctuate). Not to mention that Namor WOULDN'T work with Shaw and would be particularly cross at Emma for deceiving him. Also, I don't know if Daken would willingly work with Sebastian Shaw again considering their last meeting in the crossover. Speaking of, where's Ms. Sinister been of late?
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Annnnnyway, no one reviewed X-infernus #4 which sets up the "new" new mutants. All that happened was that Megan lost another part of her soul and Illyana was convinced to stay with the X-men at the very end.

Now, onto claremont's latest offering of: X-men: Sword of the Braddocks.

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It was a bleh story. I don't particularly care for her new rivalry with Slaymaster, though I did like the flashback to her time as Captain Britain when she first met Slaymaster. Um, Brian was particularly pointless in the book and I'm not a huge fan of Psylocke being all lovey dovey with AOA Sabre. All I can say is, "thank the heavens this storyline is finished and she can return to 616 without claremont soon." 1.5 out of 5. The backup story was mildly entertaining...to a degree.
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Exiles #1 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27038) preview by Jeff Parker.
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2334&disp=table)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on April 07, 2009, 03:50:29 AM
I am pretty sure those aren't sideburns just shadow/inking on Xavier.

Also Dazzler is currently shorting long hair blonde hair just like the female in the preview: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Dazzler_wiki.png

I personally think it is Dagger though.

I also think it's probably Dagger.

Dazzler is and always was a strawberry blond (except when she had the pink dye job), the lady in the Dagger outfit has light blond hair, almost platimunm blonde (hence my comment about being the wrong color)...I have to ask why the heck would Dazzler join a group of villains and anti-heroes, though?  Some of them are murderers and I don't see Allison hanging out with them.  Dagger on the other hand has been more of a vigilante, she and Cloak have even killed criminals, I believe (I could be mistaken about that, though).

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 07, 2009, 04:13:31 AM
LITG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20702) has reported that Cloak and Dagger are "joining the X-books as regular team characters".
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 07, 2009, 09:27:01 PM
Yeah, as if Exodus would resort to playing second fiddle to Emma, Namor, or Osborn...
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
The Dark Avengers cover has been confirmed as the cover to Uncanny 513.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20717

It mentions a book called Dark X-Men written by Mike Carey but the context makes it unclear. It sounded to me like Fraction might've been waving away speculation.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 08, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
seems mildly interesting, though I hope the "sex scenes" comment was a joke, because I've gotten more than my fill of Emma and Cyclops. ^^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on April 08, 2009, 12:49:55 AM
Naw they will make a new spin off series called "Emma does Marvel"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 08, 2009, 03:13:48 AM
Ha.

CB&MI13 #12 Preview: CLICK (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/12387187598031.htm)

Jeff Parker's take on his Exiles team (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/040209exiles.html).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 08, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
LITG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20702) has reported that Cloak and Dagger are "joining the X-books as regular team characters".

It doesn't confirmed enough for me and Rich is notorious for getting his information wrong. He could be running with the whole that's Cloak and Dagger because a bunch of noobs said so. I'm at least standing by that being Exodus and it possibly being Dazzler or someone who isn't Dagger. For me it doesn't make sense that they would use Dagger without Cloak again. Also where is Cloak!?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on April 08, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
If the team is full of (possible) villians, could the gal in the Dagger suit be Vertigo?

EDIT: Nevermind, just remembered she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Whatever.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 08, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
EDIT: Nevermind, just remembered she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Whatever.

Bah that means nothing:
1) Maruaders have been cloned multiple times
2) In X-Force a couple Vertigo clones showed up (and died)
3) Supposedly there's a second Vertigo that lives in the Savage Land, I'm not sure of her status though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 08, 2009, 05:08:58 PM
Actually it's never been clear whether or not the original Vertigo EVER worked for Sinister.

I think it's Cloak because it's absurd to have Exodus actually join someone else's team.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on April 08, 2009, 06:35:29 PM
Picked up my comics today, and the only Marvel book in my box was Avengers/Invaders #9. (The only other Marvel title I am reading at the moment is Captain America) I haven't had time to sit down and read it yet, but if you're not reading Avengers/Invaders, I highly recommend picking up the eventual TPB.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on April 08, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
That is Daggers outfit, btw.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on April 09, 2009, 03:59:42 AM
...And since when does Cloak run around without his hood up?  It looks like Exodus to me.

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 09, 2009, 04:04:53 AM
Well I don't know who "Cloak" (it's probably Donald Pierce again :P) but I do know that Dark X-Men is not the new version of X-Men: Legacy, or so Mike Carey would have us believe in the latest X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20735).

Also Zeb Wells talks New Mutants here (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7528.New_Mutants_Week_Q%26A~colon~_Zeb_Wells) and here (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7545.New_Mutants_Week~colon~_Cannonball) featuring new preview art.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 09, 2009, 04:45:45 AM
Previews are nice and all, but where're the reviews, peeps! :p
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Exiles V2 (3?) #1:

This is the book I’ve been looking forward to for a long while. It’s no surprise that Exiles slowly began to die after Mimic literally died, but the Claremont double run was excruciatingly horrible, imo. Not just horrible, but almost pointless for several issues of the run, as he didn’t even feel the need to establish and develop his characters until the final few arcs. As it stands, the old Exiles team is apparently still together (according to Betsy’s book), so I hope that’s explained away soon. Regardless, this is Jeff’s time to shine on a more mainstream book (B/C list) after his X-men First Class book had been canceled.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Being completely honest, this book didn’t do it for me. It was mediocre and was largely a jumping in issue, which I can’t knock. I didn’t enjoy the art much at all and I feel that it could be of a much higher caliber, but I think that mostly falls onto the coloring. You don’t get much on the characters, but I feel you get enough on a few of them to really know how they’ll come across for the first few issues. Having Lorna and SW on a team, already knowing they’re related, fighting Magneto (and Lorna/SW of that world) should be interesting and I loved the return of fun Morph. Not to mention that I’m pretty sure Magneto was also part of the first arc of Exiles, so that’s a nice throwback. I have high expectations for this book, so I hope Jeff can find his groove. For now, however, this is a 2.5. You’ll appreciate it more as a new reader than someone who’s already associated with the premise of the ORIGINAL team.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 09, 2009, 04:51:15 AM
So Morph's still around. That's great. Whatever happened with the whole Morph/Proteus thing?

Only books I read this week were DC ones and they don't belong in this thread.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 09, 2009, 04:59:27 AM
The Morph/Proteus thing was handled in an annual by Claremont I didn't bother to pick up. It apparently ended well since Morph was in the final issue of New Exiles and in Betsy's one shot. According to wiki, Morph regained control of his body and shares it with Proteus as he now wanted to do good instead of bad. So...lame. :p
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Continuing on with the Exiles relaunch, I think I was pretty lenient on it as I suspect several things to be answered sometime this arc, but I truly wouldn't recommend it to anyone but new readers right now. *dagger*. Things such as 'why this incarnation of the team was needed', 'why these group of people were chosen to make up the team', and 'why the sudden revamp after Morph and his team already have control over the crystal palace' weren't answered at all. It was basically just a "back to form" with the return of the tallus to Blink and Morpheus playing the timebroker. Also, Beast's costume...suckage. ^_^
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Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #4
:

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For a book that has Wolverine and Hulk as its namesake, the two characters only appear for a few panels on 2-3 pages at the very end. So, we’re all caught up on the backstory and it should be all forward momentum from here. I’m not very keen on the art in this book (mostly coloring), but it’s a average, quick read. 3 out of 5. The Civil War joke was nice. Hulk rat...could do without.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 10, 2009, 04:55:33 AM
*ahem* If anyone picked up Savage She-hulk, you now know who the green Thundra is...

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*ahem* For a universe that used the argument that having children aged their characters, they probably should limit the amount of offsprings they fill the universe with. I'm just sayin'.  ;)
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Uncanny #508 preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2384&disp=table): the return of Kwannon? Good heavens, I hope not!

Captain America #49 preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2371&disp=table)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 11, 2009, 04:29:13 AM
Kwannon's return could mean Psylocke getting her old body back!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on April 12, 2009, 05:10:50 AM
Kwannon's return could mean Psylocke getting her old body back!

But will she still be a Ninja? :P

'Cause, ya know, they lost Shadowcat.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 12, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
Why not?

I think the Exiles' new mission is the same as the old. Fix the Multiverse. Or die trying. They didn't quite manage to fix it in the last series.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Discoking090 on April 13, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 13, 2009, 03:05:43 AM
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??

After House of M when Scarlet Witch used her reality wrapping powers to take away the powers of 90% (ish) of the world's mutants Xavier was one of them. In some kind of taste of irony he lost his powers but his legs were restored. He's since regained his powers as well.

Also just for the record I prefer Xavier walking. Especially while Elixir's around.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on April 13, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??

After House of M when Scarlet Witch used her reality wrapping powers to take away the powers of 90% (ish) of the world's mutants Xavier was one of them. In some kind of taste of irony he lost his powers but his legs were restored. He's since regained his powers as well.

Also just for the record I prefer Xavier walking. Especially while Elixir's around.

Agreed. I've actually really enjoyed the more proactive Prof X that's been in X-men Legacy lately. It's a nice middle ground between the (frankly boring) squeaky clean Xavier who, despite being the worlds most powerful telepath just sits around using his powers to talk to people from a distance and the overwhelming jerk Xavier who's mind-wiping and manipulating people all over the place.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 16, 2009, 12:18:45 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well I guess it is Cloak and Dagger...
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 16, 2009, 04:28:14 AM
Heh. AA, you're finally accepting. This...is a good step. I don't really feel like reviewing right now, but I will spoil the psylocke scenes in Uncanny because, w/e, I want to. Also, Northstar and Aurora rejoin the X-men...and Logan was a bit weird to me in the issue. I will not speak on Emma and the cuckoos and how a panel looked repeated and how wide their mouths are able to open.

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Apparently, if that's supposed to be psylocke, she went back to her old costume. Fun. Fun. Also, I've seen some theories that:

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which makes me go..."*ahem* Good heavens, no!"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 16, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
Double post, but here are some previews/hints about upcoming storylines I actually found interesting enough to post here.
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Spider-man

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X-men

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Avengers/Associates

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Captain Britain

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Other

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Fan4/Tbolts

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 16, 2009, 12:59:03 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

EDIT: Also...hell YES to her return!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 16, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
I'm guessing that they revived Kwannon for reasons that have not been explained yet. (other than they're all insane)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 16, 2009, 10:35:03 PM
It's been reported that Fraction said Psylocke won't be replaced with Kwannon. With this news, I can tolerate this storyline a bit more, but I still don't like the majority of Fraction's work on X-men and I think it's time he's replaced. Not only are his storylines uber slow and break-up the stories in odd ways (X-club? Logan's reaction to Kwannon being dug up?), but they're so completely mediocre that I actually find myself wanting Brubaker back.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2009, 12:27:48 AM
Ok, I just read the issue and are you sure Kwannon is returned? The way I read it, it seems like Psylocke's being would be "filling up" Kwannon's (Betsy's original) body.

Also the whole your new body comment. Why would Kwannon think of it as a new body. I really hope it's Psylocke back in her english body with telepathy and butterflies. That is the way I fell in love with her and I would really like it to return to that way. Also how cool was Revanche's Arabian sword?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 17, 2009, 12:36:40 AM
Ok, I just read the issue and are you sure Kwannon is returned? The way I read it, it seems like Psylocke's being would be "filling up" Kwannon's (Betsy's original) body.


I don't have any solid opinions on what went on with Psylocke. What I posted above was a common theory I saw online.

I will say that this book is really making my continuity senses tingle. Why, you ask? Here's why!

1. Last time Psylocke was in 616, a week ago, she was still in her New Exiles costume. Someone will need to get around to explaining why she randomly returned in her old 616 gear.

2. Her body should be hard to manipulate thanks to Jamie. It was only a plot point Claremont ran with since her initial return and beyond.

3. I'm not particularly sure why Maddie would want Psylocke/Kwannon back in any form.

4. Why did Wolverine go to Northstar moments after learning Kwannon had been dugged up from his X-force teammate? I'd have thought he'd alert someone, but apparently...

5. He's taking after Cyclops who still hasn't alerted anyone that he saw Maddie. -_-. You know...a potential threat he might want to investigate?
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About the new body. It "was" a new body. It was completely new. Revanche/Psylocke's old body was eyeless, worn down, and decaying. Technically, this newer, younger body "would" be new to both.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:

Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2009, 01:14:03 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:

Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.

I thought the same thing about X-Men Legacy's recent issue. What a snoozer.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 01:27:51 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:

Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.

I thought the same thing about X-Men Legacy's recent issue. What a snoozer.

I was really hoping Legacy would become a new team book like Carey's earlier run, or maybe a student book, but it looks like it's going to be a Rogue solo book. Which could be good, or it could be more of the same. It's not that I think Legacy is bad, it's just...not exciting.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 17, 2009, 01:53:20 AM
I agree. The current arc is just a bit too long with very little interesting things happening. Legacy's current format comes to an end at issue #225 and it involves Professor Xavier and the acolytes. The description from the previews makes it seem like Prof might take on the role as their new leader.
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In other news: Matt Fraction on Uncanny- http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846

He talks about the Red Queen and her relationship to Maddie, and more importantly, what's going on with Psylocke.

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The result of the ritual performed by the Red Queen and the Sisterhood appeared to have returned the spirit of Psylocke to her original body, which had been deceased. Also known as Betsy Braddock, Psyclocke hadn’t been seen in the pages of “Uncanny X-Men” for several years, and Fraction wanted to bring her back to the title for a number of reasons. “It’s also part of that initiative to bring in more strong and powerful female characters. That's really been our agenda,” Fraction said. “Plus Psylocke is great. She’s got a rich and complicated history and she provided stuff that no one else on the team had in terms of character, power set, and the complications her return brings about. Those complications made for an intriguing problem and I’ve got a lot of affection for the character. When she first came into 'Uncanny' was sort of my prime era of reading the book as a fan.”

As Fraction mentioned, Psylocke brings with her a complicated back-story that involves switching bodies with a Japanese woman named Kwannon, a death, a resurrection, and a stint protecting alternate realities with her former teammates the Exiles. “Our mission with her is really to simplify as much as possible,” Fraction said. “We’re trying to bring her back in a way that satisfies people who know who she is and where she’s been, but at the same time present this character to people who don’t have any idea of who she is. Without blowing where the rest of the arc is going things become clearer in issue #509. She is a very important canary in the coal mine. She’s a test run if you will. What they do with Psylocke, they want to do to someone else.”

Unfortunately, Matt Fraction also thinks the team needs a speedster even though he used Cannonball very badly and had Storm and Angel (two very fast fliers) basically doing nothing. How embarrassing...and they weren't part of alpha flight. -_-
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As for the Dark X-men. Many thought it was Xavier leading the team. Well, the truth is:

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When fans meet Emma Frost's Dark X-Men, the team is fully formed and was handpicked by Norman Osborn -- with the exception of one member who's been placed on the team at Emma Frost's insistence. Unlike Osborn's Avengers, the majority of his X-Men are in the dark as to his current criminal agenda and believe him to be a reformed villain and hero of the Skrull invasion. “You've got to remember what we as readers know the world doesn't, and what Norman did to the Avengers he's now looking to do with the X-Men,” Fraction stated. “There is a profound public crisis and what Norman did worked, so he's thinking why wouldn't it work for the X-Men?”
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2009, 03:03:25 AM
I am happy that Psylocke after almost 20 years is English again but I have a serious problem with Matt's writing.

Also Emma obviously choses Namor as her ace in the hole.

EDIT: Don't drink and write.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Torch on April 17, 2009, 03:10:27 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:

Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Yes.  But isn't (wasn't) Secret Invasion a Marvel Universe event (not just X-Men) kinda like Civil War?  If so, I'm wondering if the overall storyline is interesting at all.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 03:21:48 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading?  Should I wait for a graphic novel of it?  :huh:

Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Yes.  But isn't (wasn't) Secret Invasion a Marvel Universe event (not just X-Men) kinda like Civil War?  If so, I'm wondering if the overall storyline is interesting at all.

Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev  <_<).

Yeah Secret Invasion was a Marvel U event. I didn't read the main mini so someone else will have to fill you in.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 17, 2009, 03:51:44 AM
Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev  <_<).

*gasp* How dare you! How dare you speak to me in such a manner! Never again speak to me as you have decided to speak to me. You will speak to me in a manner that all must speak to me, sir, and that speech that you must use to speak to me must be the speak I find acceptable to be spoken to me! Learn this and I will return Canadia! ^^

*ahem* Secret Invasion itself is very mediocre and drawn out like a typical Bendis event. I'm not going to retread that area, but instead, I'll just give you a link: I'm a Skrull (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46613.30), which is the only thread I can find with some thoughts about the event. Strange, I was sure there were more. But yeah, my opinion of, "mediocre, but some of the tie-in books were superior" remains.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 04:21:14 AM
Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev  <_<).

*gasp* How dare you! How dare you speak to me in such a manner! Never again speak to me as you have decided to speak to me. You will speak to me in a manner that all must speak to me, sir, and that speech that you must use to speak to me must be the speak I find acceptable to be spoken to me! Learn this and I will return Canadia! ^^

I lost you after the third "speak".
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 23, 2009, 05:25:49 PM
I lost you after the third "speak".

I'll lose you after speak! Bah!
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X-force #14:

Over the last few issues of this mini-event, we’ve mostly gotten backstory and very little action of any kind. With the addition of Deadpool and Stryfe to the story, things should really get moving, and become fairly bloody, when the protags and antags finally come head to head and perhaps Bishop will get a new purpose post this event. Anyway, outside of X-force and Cable coming together and the re-introduction of Stryfe as a sneaky partner to Bishop, there’s not much to actually recap.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I think my only complaint about this book was some panels where the art and gritty tone didn’t come off very well. It was nice to see the team in action again and I also enjoyed the minor scenes of the team interacting with one another. For some reason, Marvel has been really pushing Deadpool this year and this book was no exception. Not only did he get a bunch of screen time over the last [few?] issue(s), but this issue he also makes quite the impressive feat and upstages ALL of X-force with very little effort. This book gets a 4 out of 5. It actually makes up for all those slow issues.

Wolverine Origins #35:

Sometimes I wonder why I keep reading this book, but I can honestly tell you that I’ll probably replace it with the superior “Wolverine: Weapon X” by Jason Aaron. *PLUG*. *ahem* I can’t recall if it’s this book or the main Wolverine book that’s going to be replaced with Dark Wolverine starring Daken, but…yeah. Last issue, Daken took out the X-men and got his hands on a special sword.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Uh…this book has returned to being a chore to read. I initially liked the idea of Daken being able to one-up the X-men through pre-planning, but STILL doing it in this book when they all *should* know what they’re facing, Wolverine-lite + sword, is a bit ridiculous. Not only that, but they all disappeared after their scenes except for Cyclops who advises Wolverine to kill his son. Ignoring how Cyclops is with his own “kids”, I don’t know if that’s advice I can really see coming from even current Cyclops. The last few pages would have probably been much more interesting if they took up the bulk of the story and the X-fight had been cut shorter. Oh, Way, when will you learn? 2.5 out of 5.

Guardians of the Galaxy #13:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


I left out a few parts in the actual summary, but it was a good read, me thinks. Phyla getting a new codename might be a little unneeded though, but we’ll see how that goes. The only problem I really have with this book is how big the cast is + with WoK, it’s even bigger. Another thing, I think the debriefings/log panels shouldn’t be used during big scenes as it kind of draws me out of the story. I’m specifically talking about the Adam Warlock one before his final scene. Still, this is a 3.5 out of 5.
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With sumviews out of the way, some preview pages!

Uncanny X-men: http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27525

-I’m sorry, but when a book makes me want Claremont and his general wackiness back (I say this knowing Dino Rachel was the most ridiculous thing ever written), I think that’s a problem. Not only are they all uber happy with wide mouths (O_O), but general inconsistencies in this book are major turnoffs to me (looks at nehzno). Also, I like how Dazzler and Iceman have done nothing but be random cardboard cutouts since their returns. Nice, Fraction. Though, should the X-force crew be in this book at all at the moment? I figured they’d be in the future and their spots would be replaced until Messiah War was over.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 23, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 25, 2009, 08:50:25 AM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.

You're correct in saying there's no reason that they shouldn't show up, but it'd help if they didn't as it'd show that Messiah War is/has taken place in some form outside of the two books it occupies. Perhaps it's me coming from a writer perspective, but anything to show when a story is taking place AND that it has some sort of importance or effect always sits better with me. *shrugs*. Of course, this point is moot if it happens before Messiah War, but that doesn't explain the other inconsistencies away, which is one of the major reasons Fraction disappoints me on Uncanny.
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Astonishing X-men #29

Three months later, this book finally comes out. I can sum up what happens in this book in a few lines, so I'm not going to bother with a spoiler tag or a summary. This is the warning, so if you read pass this point...your bad. ^^


The issue was basically a giant info dump and the book REALLY needed it. Sadly, I don't remember the 6 issues that came before this one that revolved around this arc. I'm not going to keep picking on the art, but Storm's face was missing for a whole panel. I found it odd. Almost as odd as some of the panel shapes that I'm still trying to adjust to. On the writing side, some things just didn't make sense to me. There was a heavy dropping of Forge's name and Ellis managed to paint the man in the most unfavorable light I've seen in awhile. Forge apparently is a borderline villain, slightly off mentally, and is basically a major screw-up now. Moving from him, we land on Cyclops. Cyclops, Mr. brooding, dark leader, was written as being petty enough to consider framing Storm for the death of the mutate she beat up ONLY because she called him out on his new stance on killing. I wouldn't even remember this conversation if I hadn't written a review on it and I hadn't read the superior "Worlds Apart" mini that also had this conversation. Regardless, it never crossed my mind that Cyclops would even consider doing something like that to a long time friend. This book is completely acceptable, but it has a notable absence of some common sense (I'm not sure why he's under-utilizing Emma's abilities) and even the group interaction is more bleh than the last few issues. It may seem like I'm being hard on the book, and maybe I still am, but it's just "there" at the moment to me and I think it could be much better than it has been. So, this book...3 out of 5.

*This particular visit was from Endangered Species, and Beast seems to have a twisted memory of it. Regardless, that "shouldn't" be the last time Beast met Forge unless this book completely forgot about Messiah Complex.*

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 25, 2009, 08:10:47 PM
Really Marvel should add duplication to Wolverine in every title. I mean how could he be in NYC with the New Avengers, having solo adventures, fighting mutate with the Astonishing team, and be in the future fighting with X-Force?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 25, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
Really Marvel should add duplication to Wolverine in every title. I mean how could he be in NYC with the New Avengers, having solo adventures, fighting mutate with the Astonishing team, and be in the future fighting with X-Force?

Well the good news is he won't be in Wolverine er Dark Wolverine anymore.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Torch on April 25, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250).  The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'.  Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).

I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it?  :stupor
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 25, 2009, 11:41:00 PM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250).  The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'.  Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).

I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it?  :stupor

Personally I'd say you were missing out on some really good writing and amazing art by Jim Cheung.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 25, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
Bendis isn't a bad writer, per se, he just has writing glitches and his events usually end averagely. As far as Illuminati goes, it's really just a selection of retcons that Bendis created that was also used to front and build up to other events such as World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, Civil War, and New Avengers stories. If you plan on reading any of those events, or seeing some of the things Bendis added into continuity such as Beyonder being a mutant inhuman, then it's probably worth the read. It's definitely not an "event" book if that's what's worrying you.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on April 26, 2009, 01:27:55 AM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250).  The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'.  Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).

I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it?  :stupor

You've missed nothing of any value, interest or merit. Good choice.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 26, 2009, 04:23:53 AM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250).  The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'.  Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).

I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it?  :stupor

You've missed nothing of any value, interest or merit. Good choice.

Not even the pretty pictures?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on April 26, 2009, 08:41:35 AM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.

You're correct in saying there's no reason that they shouldn't show up, but it'd help if they didn't as it'd show that Messiah War is/has taken place in some form outside of the two books it occupies. Perhaps it's me coming from a writer perspective, but anything to show when a story is taking place AND that it has some sort of importance or effect always sits better with me. *shrugs*. Of course, this point is moot if it happens before Messiah War, but that doesn't explain the other inconsistencies away, which is one of the major reasons Fraction disappoints me on Uncanny.
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Astonishing X-men #29

Three months later, this book finally comes out. I can sum up what happens in this book in a few lines, so I'm not going to bother with a spoiler tag or a summary. This is the warning, so if you read pass this point...your bad. ^^

  • Storm single-handedly, and quite viciously, beats down a mutate to get some information from him. This beat down includes several stabbings and, when her powers return, a tornado.
  • Beast tells Cyclops about his last visit with Forge*
  • Cyclops has Wolverine interrogate another fallen mutate while Emma mentally probes the mutate Storm beat down to make sure the stories match
  • The team regroup, head to the X-jet, and fly off to meet Forge on Mount Wundagore
  • Oh, right, Forge can create his own mutants/mutates/whatever you want to call them.

The issue was basically a giant info dump and the book REALLY needed it. Sadly, I don't remember the 6 issues that came before this one that revolved around this arc. I'm not going to keep picking on the art, but Storm's face was missing for a whole panel. I found it odd. Almost as odd as some of the panel shapes that I'm still trying to adjust to. On the writing side, some things just didn't make sense to me. There was a heavy dropping of Forge's name and Ellis managed to paint the man in the most unfavorable light I've seen in awhile. Forge apparently is a borderline villain, slightly off mentally, and is basically a major screw-up now. Moving from him, we land on Cyclops. Cyclops, Mr. brooding, dark leader, was written as being petty enough to consider framing Storm for the death of the mutate she beat up ONLY because she called him out on his new stance on killing. I wouldn't even remember this conversation if I hadn't written a review on it and I hadn't read the superior "Worlds Apart" mini that also had this conversation. Regardless, it never crossed my mind that Cyclops would even consider doing something like that to a long time friend. This book is completely acceptable, but it has a notable absence of some common sense (I'm not sure why he's under-utilizing Emma's abilities) and even the group interaction is more bleh than the last few issues. It may seem like I'm being hard on the book, and maybe I still am, but it's just "there" at the moment to me and I think it could be much better than it has been. So, this book...3 out of 5.

*This particular visit was from Endangered Species, and Beast seems to have a twisted memory of it. Regardless, that "shouldn't" be the last time Beast met Forge unless this book completely forgot about Messiah Complex.*



o.O wtf? Cyclops? Why...?

I'd say he needs to get laid, but knowing his and Emma's tract record, maybe a break is more needed. I donno. :banghead:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 26, 2009, 02:19:21 PM
*ahem* Secret Invasion itself is very mediocre and drawn out like a typical Bendis event. I'm not going to retread that area, but instead, I'll just give you a link: I'm a Skrull (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46613.30), which is the only thread I can find with some thoughts about the event. Strange, I was sure there were more. But yeah, my opinion of, "mediocre, but some of the tie-in books were superior" remains.
Yeah, I wish I could disagree, but I can't. It'd have been more interesting if the goals of the Skrulls didn't fail so utterly.... It'd have also been more interesting if the skrulls hadn't gotten slaughtered like cannon fodder. >_< I mean really, it's a classic case of humans matter aliens don't. The story was pretty cool until the end. The ending was a smplistic military victory, oh and we found all the people the skrulls replaced. I'm still hoping they didn't kill Veranke off, but I don't really think the character will be seen again. :(
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Not even the pretty pictures?

POD loves Jim Cheung's art.
FCBD is going to be a treat; Cheung art for free should be a crime.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 26, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
Not even the pretty pictures?

POD loves Jim Cheung's art.
FCBD is going to be a treat; Cheung art for free should be a crime.

And he draws Thor!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 27, 2009, 02:56:30 AM
I also love Jim Cheung's art. I loved it on YA when it first came out, and I think if anything, it's only gotten better in the years since.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on April 27, 2009, 09:02:32 PM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
I'm hoping that's it. I just can't seem to visualize them actually killing off that many characters.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 30, 2009, 01:51:36 AM
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #5:

Yay for this book finally coming out on a regular schedule as its one of the only remaining bright spots in this universe. Last issue focused on She-hulk and how exactly she came to be. If you read the book, you know Ultimate She0hulk IS NOT Jennifer Walters, but someone else entirely.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ultimately, this was somewhat of an interesting read. It wasn’t bad by any means, but I wasn’t really into the flashback portions and parts of it seemed a little surreal. A certain scene with Wolverine was a bit ridiculous even by his standards and the art seemed a bit off. I know people like Leinil Yu, but I have never been a huge fan of his style, as I think he focuses too much on drawing and pulling attention to the eye ducts of the characters. I don’t particularly want to see that in every close-up panel. Anyway, this is less of a Hulk/She-hulk book, which was last issue admittedly, and more of a Wolverine book with a few interesting concepts. It’s a 3 for me. Though, I have to admit, the first few pages really got my attention...in a good way.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on April 30, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #5:

Yay for this book finally coming out on a regular schedule as its one of the only remaining bright spots in this universe. Last issue focused on She-hulk and how exactly she came to be. If you read the book, you know Ultimate She0hulk IS NOT Jennifer Walters, but someone else entirely.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ultimately, this was somewhat of an interesting read. It wasn’t bad by any means, but I wasn’t really into the flashback portions and parts of it seemed a little surreal. A certain scene with Wolverine was a bit ridiculous even by his standards and the art seemed a bit off. I know people like Leinil Yu, but I have never been a huge fan of his style, as I think he focuses too much on drawing and pulling attention to the eye ducts of the characters. I don’t particularly want to see that in every close-up panel. Anyway, this is less of a Hulk/She-hulk book, which was last issue admittedly, and more of a Wolverine book with a few interesting concepts. It’s a 3 for me. Though, I have to admit, the first few pages really got my attention...in a good way.


A X-Men/Wolverine book opening with Wolverine sitting down, in the buff, meditating? Gee, that's never happened before. :rolleyes: Granted, the Shadowcat/Jubilee conversation over said naked meditating Wolverine was awesome.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 30, 2009, 05:37:29 PM
yes, but did it include a random panda spirit guide and was it a hallucination of a disembodied head? Was it? No? So it wasn't nearly as unique! :P
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Uncanny X-men #509:

I don’t think I need to point out my feelings on this book, so I won’t. However, I hope this title, which is supposed to be the flagship outside of Astonishing that stole the shine for a few years, picks up speed by the time the Avengers/X-men crossover comes into play because lately it’s just been a lifeless tread through the mud to me. If you came into this issue hoping to find out anything about Psylocke, move on.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I’m still not feeling the book and I have to wonder why Cyclops all of a sudden had a breakdown. It wasn’t alluded to beforehand, so his scene here was just random to me. Pixie drinking was also random as she isn’t even legal. Granted, I don’t know the exact age of Pixie (I assume she’s 15), but having Dazzler and Northstar allowing her to drink at a concert seems a little disheartening, and I already dislike Dazzler these days. The Psylocke parts of this issue didn’t feel very important to me, as nothing was really gone into with any amount of detail. We now know how she was captured, what happened to her body, and why, but I wasn't very impressed by any of it. Another thing that bothers me in this book is the constant smiling and the “we’re in San Fran and everything is better!” montages we’ve been getting since Fraction took over the book. We know they’re in San Fran, quit reminding us! It’s worse than when Spider-man kept getting web jams in his first few arcs of BND. Another thing I didn’t like was the art. Of course, it was Greg Land, but this seemed a little below par even for him.

Now that I think on it, this book had a lot going on in it in some form, but none of it felt especially gripping. Sometimes I read this book and it feels like it’s just another “by the numbers” story with several cameo shots AND THEN 3 plot advancements when it suits the book. The X-men don’t really feel like a close family or even real characters to me in this book, but instead pawns. I should care about someone in some form and I think Fraction is failing on that end. I don’t even care that Psylocke is back and she’s been one of my favorite characters since she was Captain Britain. Anyway, I feel like I bashed this book to high heavens (deserves it) and I should try to compliment it to give it a bit of balance. So, I was taught, if you don’t have anything particularly nice to say, just skip it. :P. 2 out of 5. BTW, I remember the days when the X-men were a somewhat effective team...what happened?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 30, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
Pixie was 14 during New X-Men. It's conceivable she's 15 now. It's also conceivable that Fraction and especially Land don't know that.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 30, 2009, 05:57:48 PM
They mention she is drinking age in Wales and Canada so I'm guessing she's 18 now. Also having Psylocke on the cover was a bait and switch and I really did not appreciate that at all.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on April 30, 2009, 06:00:08 PM
Pixie was 14 during New X-Men. It's conceivable she's 15 now. It's also conceivable that Fraction and especially Land don't know that.

I believe Fraction knows (they do have editors that should keep up with that stuff) as he did bring up her being legal in Wales and Canada, which, unless my knowledge fails me, is incorrect without parental permission.

AA ninja'd me!
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Pixie reminds me that I don't think she should even be in this book. NC and Colossus did bring up X-infernus and I don't recall her teleporting back with them because she ran off before Magik did her spell/created a teleporting disc.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on April 30, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
So 4 years have passed since Messiah Complex  :rolleyes: Wow Marvel time has really sped up.

I did notice in the preview pics that Pixie has her new soul dagger.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on April 30, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
Gee, was Northstar panting over a shirtless Cyclops? Or do we think he's still hung up over Iceman?

I love Northstar on the X-Men. Juggernaut too. Hell, all of the Northstar/Juggernaut team ups were awesome. Twp guys who probably shouldn't have gotten along, and they did.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 01, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Nope. Northstar was too drunk with bestie Dazzler and underaged Pixie to care about Cyclops. Pixie was obsessed with him though and Dazzler thought Scott and Emma were like, the perfect couple. Obviously they all hit their heads. :P

Northstar and Iceman were actually in one panel together and shared no dialogue. This is probably because Northstar has a slightly different personality and he has a boyfriend.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on May 01, 2009, 03:53:12 AM
Pixie was obsessed with him though

Actually Pixie has always had a crush on Cyclops. It was first established in the New X-Men Yearbook.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 01, 2009, 04:11:10 AM
Pixie was obsessed with him though

Actually Pixie has always had a crush on Cyclops. It was first established in the New X-Men Yearbook.

I...didn't say she didn't [have a crush]. I said she was obsessed (with shirtless cyclops) in the issue. ^^.

Silly, Canadian. This is why I constantly threaten to destroy you.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 02, 2009, 03:04:54 AM
Twofer:

Just read Cornell's blog, so I figured I'd post some updates:

Dark Reign: Young Avengers  (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7666.Young_Avengers~colon~_Children_at_Work)

- I expect Pod or AA to keep us up to date on this book.

Quote from: Cornell
But the other two are new developments.  Thor and Hercules: Encyclopedia Mythologica is a guidebook put together by Anthony Flamini, covering all of Marvel's mythological worlds, during which he consulted with myself, Fulsome Fred Van Lente and Gregarious Greg Pak.  (Did I get those nicknames right?)  My own contribution doesn't really deserve cover billing, since it just consisted of me looking at pages concerning Cap and saying they were awesome.  But Dark X-Men: The Beginning #1 is me doing actual comics work.  It's a miniseries anthology of Dark X-Men stories, covering how this team came together, and the plan at the moment is for me to have a story in every issue (or all but one, we're still working that out).  Anyhow, I'm rather looking forward to July

- Emphasis added by myself. Hopefully, Dark X-men is much better than that other anthology attempt that was "X: Manifest Destiny"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 02, 2009, 03:16:20 AM
I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on May 03, 2009, 08:07:49 PM
Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers.

Also New Mutants returns this week. Will it be good...or bad? Tune in later this week.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 07, 2009, 03:02:35 AM
War of Kings #3:

Over the last few books, we have seen the war play out between the Inhumans/Kree, the Sh’iar, the Guardians, and the Starjammers. Empress Lilandra was kidnapped and the Starjammers aimed to retrieve her and the Inhumans rallied the Kree forces and Blackbolt refused Starlord’s/Peter’s request to quell the war.

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This was a mediocre read to me and I can’t help but notice how many participants are in this book (and the tie ins) and how hard it is for me to keep track of them from time to time. The ending, I think, wasn’t anything special as I saw it coming long ago. I suppose it’s nice to get it out of the way. The trick Raccoon tried to pull on Gladiator during the middle of the book was a pretty smart move, but it brought my mind directly to a storyline that has yet to be explain…how strong is a certain red head at the moment and where did her facial marks come from. I was intrigued during the Inhuman/Ronan parts of the book because so many different things seemed to be at play. I do question why Crystal is so devoted to Ronan and the Kree considering she didn’t even want to marry him in the first place, but most of my interest happens to fall with Medusa, Black Bolt, and Maximus. I have to wonder just what is going on there and how will It all blow up in their collective faces in the future. I sense future family drama just over the horizon. Anyway, 3 out of 5. I like how they actually pointed out how ineffective Vulcan seems to be without actually saying so. I really have nothing to say about the art. It’s just there to me.

Exiles #2
:

Last issue left me lukewarm at best, so I’m hoping Jeff Parker can really pull me in with this issue. Previously, the new team were gathered together and sent on a mission to help Wolverine overthrow Magneto. Oh, one catch, Wolverine is a head on a stick. What to do, what to do?

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This book was a definite step up. Parker still has a lot to explain as far as to what happened to the last team of Exiles and where they are now, but I can hold off on that for a while. I loved the interaction between Black Panther and Forge. I also enjoyed how the each member of the team reacted to his or her alternate self. Even more intriguing to me is the contrast between both sets of Magneto’s kids. Though, I think the setup itself was very similar to Civil War: House of M. In fact, Parker seemed to be poking fun at a bunch of continuities and he even got a sly Mystique/sex joke in. Also, I must, must, must point out the Forge fight scene only because it was unique…and a bit funny…and I missed the funny. 4 out of 5.


Mmmk, Come on through with New Mutants #1, Pod. And who will hit Cable? Oh Noes!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 07, 2009, 05:31:27 AM
I really enjoyed both War of Kings and Exiles.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 07, 2009, 02:13:45 PM
Cable #14:

Last issue, in X-force, Stryfe finally caught up with the team and managed to get his hands on Hope and Warpath as the others watched on in horror. Meanwhile, Archangel flew off to meet with the source of the voice in his head…Apocalypse. Before jumping into the summary and review portions, I want to note how difficult it is to jump from X-force art to the stylized, significantly less detailed, pale, yet semi-bright (in comparison to X-force) art of Cable.

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Excluding the art, this was a good read. The last few issues have been expository heavy, and as a result, it amounted to them just standing around the majority of the time. These past two issues have broken that stagnation and has given us action and good interaction from all those involved. I can’t wait to see how Stryfe will use his looks to his advantage and I must wonder what will happen between Bishop, Wolverine, and Cable once they’re in the same room again. Of course, that action might be sidelined until the end of the event. Makes me wonder though, why is Forge all of a sudden the crazy one (Ellis) when Bishop out-crazies him? Silly X-books. 4 out of 5. BTW, Yost hinted that Josh Foley/Elixir would be earning his stripes soon. Whatever could that mean!?!

New Mutants #1:

This is one of the books many of you/us have been looking forward to…the return of Magik and the return of the New Mutants. Will it be a book worthy of continuing pass the first arc or will it end up in flop heaven like Young X-men? Only time and fan reaction can predict the future of this book. So, I suppose we should start that ship to sailing to see if it’ll sink or float, right?

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Before I give my opinion on the writing, I want to say that the art wasn’t really that impressive to me. Neves did the art in X-men: Worlds Apart and I thought it, and the coloring, were superior in comparison to this book. Now, onto the writing. It was nice seeing the team interact again. They’ve done so little of that over the past few years that nostalgia was sweeping in while reading it. I loved the scenes between Magik and Amara, Sam and Rob, and I liked the Amara and Empath scene. I do have a problem with how Cyclops was portrayed, but considering how he’s been of late (practically none caring about the majority of things), it wasn’t all that far off the mark. Regardless, I think it was a good scene between him and Sam and probably something that Uncanny needs to make use of. Cyclops is the leader of the X-men, but he rarely comes off as such in Uncanny, imo. Also, Pixie was in this book when Magik showed up, but not a word was said from her and all she managed to do was charge up her new dagger and disappear from every other panel. Overall though, it was quite the first issue and I’m giving it a 3.5 out of 5. If you’re a fan of the old book, you’ll most likely like this issue. Though, I don’t know if it’s new reader friendly as of now. Oh, if you want to see the new costumes, click the spoiler tag below.

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Now…who will skin them? :P

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on May 07, 2009, 05:33:28 PM
Mmmk, Come on through with New Mutants #1, Pod. And who will hit Cable? Oh Noes!

Yeah, sorry, didn't get online last night.

I thought Cable and New Mutants were both very good. They'd be 4/5 both for me. Loved all the continuity nods in New Mutants, but I think Neves has no sense of fashion.

Now…who will skin them? :P

I really want to, but gotta finish X-Force first.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 07, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
Final review of this week for me as it just about wraps up my writing quota:

Amazing Spider-man #593:

Breaking up the X-posts because they’re abundant and this is the Marvel Thread…not the X-thread! Last issue, Peter stayed in his Spider-man costume for a few days fighting crime to smite JJJ and walked in on his Aunt May getting her wild 'n out on…because 60 is the new 20.

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Ummmm, the new Vulture was…I really don’t have a comment on that guy. It’s nice to see Peter get over Aunt May and her love life so easily and we also got another reason as to why Pete decided to don his costume for, um, 2-3 days non-stop. Nothing in the book especially gripped me and I think, at this point, I’d rather see Toomes over his replacement. I will say that the ending has me interested to see what will happen with Peter considering what happened to him should last longer than an issue. So this issue, I consider it a 3. I will now return to picking up this book whenever I don’t have another book out I want to buy.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 12, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
Dark Reign: Young Avengers #1 preview: http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?gid=1022
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 17, 2009, 06:24:09 AM
Captain Britain and the MI13 #13:

I know I haven’t been reviewing this book as much, but I was trying to spread the love a bit more. Over the past few issues, the MI13 have found themselves in a war with Dracula, who has decided to make a deal with Dr. Doom. This war is personal with Blade, and it becomes even more personal when Blade realizes that Spitfire might have been taken from him. Although the team managed to repel Dracula from invading Britain, they find their plan falling apart as the lord of the vampires outsmarts them.

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This, people, is how an invasion should go down. The characters doing the invading shouldn’t look like overhyped wimps, which is how I feel Bendis and the majority of the SI writers portrayed the skrulls. They should be cunning, destructive, and evil. They should literally give the heroes a fight that makes you feel like someone might not survive. I find it odd that the Skrulls, with all their planning, couldn’t pull it off as effectively as Dracula and his hordes of Vampires. Of course, this book only affects Britain, so Cornell has more leeway, but I think the general feeling of “they might lose” is something that was missing from SI as a whole. Anyway, this book was a very strong read although the art was a little lower in quality to me. There are quite a few moments in the book that stood out to me, but for the most part, those stand out moments revolved around Blade, Spitfire, and Faiza. I give this issue a mighty 4 out of 5. It’s nice to see the MA Avengers in this book for a scene or two considering the MI13 appeared in their book a few weeks ago.

X-factor #43:

Last issue, Longshot may or may not have stopped an assassination attempt on a woman that wanted to sleep with him, Madrox and Layla fought a sentinel in the future with Ruby Summers, and PAD continued with his persistent snarky ‘tude which finds its way into this issue as well. As SS would say, “don’t spoil mah books!” Moving on.

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This issue was moderately good and all the interaction and character development was very good. I have never been a major fan of Longshot, but I somewhat find his friendship with Darwin very enduring. I never really expected Darwin or Longshot to be doing much of anything once they came back into play, so I suppose it’s nice to see PAD using them effectively. I think my favorite scenes in this book revolved around Guido and Rictor if only because PAD took the time to flesh them out more and not leave them in their templates. I’m all for character development. The last page reveal is…whatever.  We’ll see how that plays out. 3.5 out of 5.

Wolverine #73:

Last issue…stuff happened that I can’t report on because it has yet to come out. Old Man Logan wasn’t a mini because…why? Anyway, this issue is a collaborative effort between Jason Aaron of “Get Mystique”/"Wolverine: Weapon X" fame and Daniel Way of “…” fame. Eventually, this book will be turned into Dark Wolverine, so this is more or less a buildup to the change.

Jason Aaron portion:

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Daniel Way portion:

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If this book was just Jason Aaron or if Aaron had written the majority of it, I’d be singing praises. However, that’s not the case with this issue. Jason Aaron’s portion was good. Jason took a gripe we have all talked about—“Wolverine appearing in so many places at once”—and made it into a cameo driven story that showed how worn out that lifestyle was leaving Wolverine. Even better, the cameos in this book worked out more effectively than anything I’ve seen by Fraction in Uncanny, so maybe someone needs to ask for tips. I mean, Iceman appeared in this book, had several lines of dialogue, had a brief fight scene, and was much more enjoyable than whatever Fraction has him doing…which is usually having Bobby standing awkwardly. And while it wasn’t a very complex story or even all that strong, I just found it enjoyable and it confirmed a few things. Mystique survived her MD fall and the X-men now know she’s alive, and Juggernaut is fully on the evil path. Now, Way’s portion was just same ol’, same ol’. I really could have done without it, and I wasn’t a fan of the art style. I don’t even have anything to say about it because I stopped reading it halfway in. If I could just judge Aaron’s portion, it’d be a 3…but with Way’s portion, it’s a low 2.

I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.

Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers

*emphasis mine*

DA: Young Avengers #1:

I wasn’t supposed to review this. Pormark, AA…where y’all at, huh? This is totally your book and you don’t even review it? Get out of my reality. :P

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This book was all right. I enjoyed some of the character moments, and I think it’s interesting that Cornell decided to add in a racist character. It certainly helps to build a different dynamic and she seems to love robots like a certain crazy witch. Um, there’s not much more to say about the book, as it was fairly low key and focused on character moments more so than action or plot advancement. There’s nothing particularly bad to say about it except it lacked the YA, but there’s also nothing particularly great to point out either. So, it’s a mild 3. If it helps anyone form a decision about whether or not to pick up this book, I will say that in this issue the team didn’t come off as evil. Flawed, yes; directly evil, no.

Black Panther V5 #4:

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While this book may be getting better to a degree, it’s still very slow. Four issues in and we still don’t really know who the new BP will be. I guess my problem with this arc is that it’s soooooo strrrrreeeettttccchhheeeddd out and it doesn’t necessarily seem like it needs all this space to get to the point. Anyway, it’s an improvement and I rate it a 3. At least Storm does things here and comes off as powerful in comparison to her Uncanny portrayal…*see preview*
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Uncanny X-men 510: http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124224662886829.htm
Ultimate revamped covers: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21235
  -Spidey looks younger via the cover...

Speaking of spidey, can someone cover USM #132?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on May 17, 2009, 06:53:34 PM
Captain Britain and the MI13 #13:
I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.

Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers

*emphasis mine*


Well POD hasn't been home in over a week and has only had light internet use  &lt;_&lt;
I'll largely agree with your review of DR:YA but it's a setup issue and I think the rest might be stronger.
Also POD is a big fan of Mark Brooks! :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 18, 2009, 05:44:12 PM
I was preparing for a wedding! but yeah I finally picked up a copy of DR:YA yesterday and I was sort of meh and here is why:

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 19, 2009, 07:31:05 PM
Pre won't like this:

http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html (http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 19, 2009, 08:57:21 PM
Pre won't like this:

http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html (http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html)

What the heck is this crap? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOooOOOOO! Why...Why, SS, why? *explodes violently*
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Now that the dramatics are over, at least Cornell got to complete his run the way he saw fit even if he only got 3-4 arcs + an annual. If Marvel is contempt with keeping  horrible books on the shelves while ending and barely promoting good books, then that's fine with me. They just get less of me money. ^^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on May 19, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
Aug! Captain Britain is one of my top books right now, this is so frustrating.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 20, 2009, 07:01:19 PM
A little while ago, there was speculation as to whether Emma and Prof were actually part of the Dark X-men. Well, Solicits confirm it is and we should learn how she got Namor on the team and how exactly Prof came into play.

Quote from: http://jasoneaaron.blogspot.com/2009/05/solicitations-for-august.html
DARK X-MEN: THE BEGINNING #3 (of 3)
Written by PAUL CORNELL, JASON AARON & OTHERS
Penciled by HUMBERTO RAMOS, JOCK & OTHERS
Cover by JAE LEE
The conclusion to the anthology that illustrates the conception of the Dark X-Men. If you’re reading UTOPIA and think you know the whole story, think again. In this issue, Emma Frost convinces Namor to join the team. And learn where Professor X fits into UTOPIA. Also, witness the first Marvel Comic with art by JOCK (Losers, Green Arrow: Year One)!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on May 20, 2009, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: http://jasoneaaron.blogspot.com/2009/05/solicitations-for-august.html
In this issue, Emma Frost convinces Namor to join the team.

"Convinces." Right.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 20, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
Someone needs to explain to the Dodsons that Cloak is not a Pimp Named Slickback. He should not have a silk perm and his cloak does not double as a spot for johns to do their business with Dagger.

I swear after someone commented about the Cloak's perm that is the only thing I could think. I mean they were living on the streets since they were teenagers and it wouldn't be that far from reality (though I hope Marvel never adds that on as some secret history of Cloak and Dagger).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 02:08:04 AM
Uncanny X-Men 510 (for a real review wait for Prev's but this one has two pictures!)
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 21, 2009, 03:07:40 AM
AA beat me. My Sumview of Uncanny isn't much brighter.

Wolverine: Weapon X #2:

Jason Aaron was given his own Wolverine book and this is the result of it. Last issue, Wolverine found out from Maverick that the Weapon X files and their adamantium process has been stolen by something known as the Blackguard, and this shady corporation has already begun to use the adamantium process on others.

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I felt this issue was an ok read. While nothing really progressed, I enjoyed Jason Aaron making another joke about Wolverine’s overexposure. I wasn’t really sold on the art, but it was completely passable. I mean, there were a few panels that stood out to me as being really good, but the majority of it was just mediocre, imo. As for the enemies in this book, I really don’t know how I feel about the advancements the villains undertook in this issue. I mean, laser claws? No. This probably comes from me seeing it done before the “admantium men” in Ultimate X-men, but it’s really not a concept I dig. Regardless, good read by an author that really seems to understand Logan better than the other current Wolverine writers. I’m thinking two Wolvie books could be canceled and this one could fill the void at the moment, and we’re only 2 issues in. Big words, Prev, big words. 3 out of 5.

Uncanny X-men #510:


Last issue, the sisterhood surprise attacked the X-men and took out every awake member, I was left wondering why Storm is in Uncanny while she’s fighting for her husband’s life, and Pixie got drunk with her best friends, Dazzler and Northstar.

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I really tried to go into this book being open, but so many problems are piling up every arc we go into. Ignore Psylocke in this arc, she’s not even important. Ignore Storm, Dazzler, NC, Colossus, X23, and Armor; they’re just cameos for the most part. There were so many things bugging me in this issue that I literally wanted to bang my head into a wall. Emma being able to use her telepathy in diamond form is a big “no-no” right off the back.  The Psylocke/Wolverine double showdown looked remarkably similar both times the splash pages showed up. In fact, why was Psylocke even ordered to fight Wolverine when Lady D. was doing an adequate job last issue? Heck, she just ended up back in the fight anyway…only to be defeated off-panel, along with Psylocke, when Maddie walked into Wolverine’s room for the object she wanted. The Three Cuckoos, and their creepy smiling because that’s EXACTLY what they’re known for (-_-), were fighting Chimera and spouting out lines about tantric sex. They’re like 15. I know they’re related to Emma, but that’s pushing it. Oh, didn’t I say something about cameos? Martinique was in exactly one panel in this issue. She’s a sisterhood member, right? Shouldn’t she be doing something? And finally, who…who goes through all the effort they went through to get such a small item? This book was a bunch of crazy plot issues that I refuse to endorse.  I’m glad Beast wasn’t around hogging pages with his boring X-club story, but still, I wish Fraction would at least attempt to understand the characters he writes. I mean, it’s no one’s fault but his own that he chose to fill the whole base up with strong characters and then have them all taken out off panel. I’m so uninterested in this run now that I don’t even care what happens to Psylocke anymore. I’ll pick this up again when the crossover starts. Maybe. 2 out of 5. I was so stuck on the plot points that I didn’t even get to mention art. I’ll do that now. It was full of teeth and mediocre panels. Done.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 03:51:39 AM
Oh one more thing about Uncanny X-Men -

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on May 21, 2009, 05:57:46 PM
I think that is yet another point for my theory of her being the X-Man's Maddie/Jean Grey. I would be overjoyed if Nate Grey returned somehow.
[/spoiler]

Emo Nate, or Shaman Nate? Both had their ups and downs. Though seeing Shaman Nate talking to Cable about everything that happened around the begining of Cable/Deadpool could be awesome. "Wait, you did what?"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 22, 2009, 07:31:09 AM
[rant] I needed a superior book to sumview to erase my thoughts about Uncanny...which i now find unintentionally funny. Like how Land copied the Cuckoos in every panel or how odd Pixie's arms looked in a panel or two. Let's not forget the amazing Fraction Captions that so many review sites want to praise him for, yet never seem to praise other writers for doing the exact same thing! I'll never understand how some reviewers can rate Fraction's Uncanny run as great in comparison to his Ironfist and Ironman runs. Better reads than anything he put out on Uncanny. [/rant]

Captain America #50:

Last issue focused entirely on Sharon Carter and on how she was dealing with Cap’s death and her own kidnapping/supposed abortion. It also brought back evil 50s cap and Sharon’s aunt.

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I somewhat enjoyed this issue. It was nothing big or deep; it was just a story about a boy who hasn’t had a great birthday in years. The whole theme of this issue more or less revolved around it and the relationship Bucky had with Steve and some of the other characters around him. It’s more or less a feel good issue with a happy ending. Nothing wrong with that before the big #600. If you needed a jumping on point for this series, this is the issue for you. Most of it is a giant, “here’s what you need to know to catch up,” info dump including the backups. Some would call this a filler issue, and I guess you’d be correct, but it’s more accurately labeled as a character-building issue. A bit slow and not as important to the overall arc, but not completely pointless or without merit. I give this issue a 3.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 24, 2009, 10:49:34 AM
Incredible Herc/Hulk solicits (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8017.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_August_2009_Smashing_Previews)

Looks like Greg Pak is returning to Hulk for issue 601 AND it has a she-hulk back-up by ex-Wolverine First Class/Marvel Zombies 3 writer, Fred Van Lente. Though, one question, what's with the shield, Banner? Also, can anyone explain to me why Red Hulk is 4 dollars when every issue so far is guest appearances and Red Hulk trashing, or killing, them? I refuse to be sucked in by X-force and Deadpool guest-starring in said book.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on May 24, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
But why? x-force is AWESOME!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 24, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
But this is Jeph Loeb we're talking about here. He'll find some way to screw them up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Torch on May 27, 2009, 05:41:52 PM
Hey Prev - I really like this thread.  Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue?  So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?

For example:

Captain America #50 (B+):

Last issue focused entirely on Sharon Carter and on how she was dealing with Cap’s death and her own kidnapping/supposed abortion. It also brought back evil 50s cap and Sharon’s aunt....
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It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 27, 2009, 09:20:22 PM
Hey Prev - I really like this thread.  Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue?  So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?

For example:

(SNIP)
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It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)


My ratings appear at the end of the "sumview," and I use a 5 point scale. Do you mean putting the rating beside the comic title instead of in my summary/opinion section?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on May 27, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
Bring back the Prev-O-Meter!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Torch on May 28, 2009, 02:49:05 AM
Hey Prev - I really like this thread.  Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue?  So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?

For example:

(SNIP)
______________________________
It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)


My ratings appear at the end of the "sumview," and I use a 5 point scale. Do you mean putting the rating beside the comic title instead of in my summary/opinion section?
Yes.  Though the bolding where they are also helps.  The point is, if I see it as 4 out of 5 at the top, I may just read the book and not spoil it by reading the entire review.  Then come back after I read it and check out your summary.  If you give it a 1 out of 5, I'll probably just read your summary and not bother with the book.  Either way, it is nice of you to post your opinions in the first place so I am happy either way.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 29, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #6 (3):

Here’s the final issue of the series that took years to make! Last issue, Wolverine found himself with his head cut off, freeing Forge from prison, and inadvertently leading Fury to Hulk’s location.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I’m a little mixed on the ending of this series. Sure it had a lot of action in this particular arc, finally tied up a missing part of the storyline, and concluded its run years down the line, but I’m left with a, “was it worth it?” feeling. That’s probably not a feeling a book should leave you with. I mean, the majority of the later issues played “flashback,” and there was very little Hulk vs. Wolverine action in any issue past issue 3. A problem I had with this book was how fast-forwarded everything was. Wolverine was all over the place in this issue and I can’t help but think that if the previous issues weren’t so full of flashbacks, some of this could have been culled out or, at the very least, written with more forward momentum. I did find it odd that Lindelof wrote in song lyrics to a Kanye West song that came out, I think, last year, but I’ll consider it a joke. I’ll rate this issue a 3 and the overall series a 3. It’ll probably be the last good book of the original Ultimates line, but is that really a compliment at this point? Also, the ending of this particular book wasn’t the most original or true to form piece of writing I’ve seen. It might possibly let some of you down if you had too high expectations.

X-men Legacy #224 (3):

Last issue, Rogue was fighting for her life in Danger room scenarios, and Xavier and Gambit found themselves betrayed by the Sh’iar.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This issue was better than the last one, methinks, but still remains in that vaguely mediocre area. If you don’t have a love for Gambit, Xavier, Rogue, or Danger, this arc just won’t impress you. Rogue, of course, was reset to her status quo—no more mystique—but she’s also on her way to fine-tuning her powers. I did find it odd that Carey stated she has never experienced control in her powers because I’m pretty sure she has (X-treme X-men) in one form or another. Perhaps not a natural control but that’s beside the point. This issue is a 3. If you’re a Rogue fan, this is the issue and arc for you.
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USM #133: Final issue preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2708&disp=table)
Ultimatum #4: Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2709&disp=table)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on May 29, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
About time they finally resolved that dangling plotline.... It's taken what? 50 years?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on May 29, 2009, 08:46:51 AM
About time they finally resolved that dangling plotline.... It's taken what? 50 years?

Meh, Scott is the same way. Difference is, he asked Emma to put his mental blocks back up. Said he wasn't ready for the control, or something along those lines.

Btw, Does Gambit still look like a Drow? Or is he back to normal? 'cause, seriously. I can't look at "Death" Gambit and not think "Wtf? It's a dark elf!"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 29, 2009, 09:47:15 AM
Yeah, Gambit hasn't looked like that in a long while. I'm pretty sure by the time he appeared in Carey's X-Men as part of Sinister's Marauders the Death look was gone for good.  He definitely doesn't look like that in Legacy.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on May 29, 2009, 06:44:22 PM
Maybe he'll suddenly realize he can do like warren and switch back and forth at will. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 30, 2009, 06:02:46 AM
Astonishing X-men #30: preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21398)

Anyway, is anyone going to review/summarize GotG or X-force?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 30, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
I haven't actually read Guardians yet. X-Force sorta goes like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I was fairly disappointed with this issue. It suffered from a consistent problem with this crossover, i.e. that the events are progressing too slowly. Writing the summery for the issue really hit home the fact that very little of note really happened in the issue. In addition to that, Clayton Crain's usually striking artwork was murky, and at times hard to follow, definitely not on par with his work before the crossover started.

I give it a 2 on the Prevo-Meter (that's out of 5 right?)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on May 30, 2009, 07:36:46 PM
am i the only one who read amazing spider-man 595 got to the last page and though ohh for *@?" sake
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on May 30, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
I was fairly disappointed with this issue. It suffered from a consistent problem with this crossover, i.e. that the events are progressing too slowly. Writing the summery for the issue really hit home the fact that very little of note really happened in the issue. In addition to that, Clayton Crain's usually striking artwork was murky, and at times hard to follow, definitely not on par with his work before the crossover started.

I give it a 2 on the Prevo-Meter (that's out of 5 right?)

Correct, it's out of 5. I feel similarly to you, though you did cut out some parts of Angels very small subplot...or B-story...or whatever. I think X-force is ultimately suffering from crossing over with Cable because the book is forced to slowdown for Cable to keep up and contribute to the plot. It doesn't help that this crossover is 7 or so issues. Hopefully it'll have a strong ending that will build up intrigue for Messiah...whatever.

am i the only one who read amazing spider-man 595 got to the last page and though ohh for *@?" sake

I actually bought this issue for Joe Kelly. Though I wasn't fond of that final page, I'm more than willing to give Joe a chance to explain his 5 part story.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 05, 2009, 12:27:01 PM
Previews for next week: Click (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21476)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on June 05, 2009, 07:35:35 PM
I really should review things again, but so little time...
I read four comics Secret Six, Amazing Spider-Man, Mighty Avengers, and New Mutants. All I'd give a 3/5. Worst was probably Mighty because of irritating art and a contrived plot with Hank saying "bring it, b#tch!" to Reed (ugh). My favorite was Amazing though.

Yay for quick unhelpful reviews!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 06, 2009, 01:40:21 AM
thanks for the quickies, Poddy. I decided not to review things this week. I will comment on three books:

Amazing Spider-man:

I like Joe Kelley's run thus far. It makes me miss him on Deadpool because this is probably one of the few times I have found the book to have any real sense of humor. However, I do question the inclusion of a street walker in an all ages book, and a certain scene with Venom wasn't really all that appropriate with the vibe it was giving off. Also, while I can accept the mentioning of Gwen "true love" Stacy, I always find myself becoming cautious when they mention her.

Mighty Avengers:

Between this book and New Avengers, I don't find either very entertaining. New Avengers has a habit of focusing on a few characters while everyone stands around and Mighty Avengers has a habit of mis-characterizing certain characters such as Hercules. The Reed/Hank fight may have been amusing, but I didn't exactly understand the point of it. Hank has made up for his misdeeds several times and, as of this moment, Reed is the bigger screw-up and everyone should be wary of him and Tony having big toys. Regardless, this book and New Avengers just aren't all that great to me at the moment.

Ultimate Spider-man Finale (kinda)
:

This isn't the real finale as the story officially ends in USM: Requiem. This was a silent issue, but as I read it, I realized that Bendis made a mistake in making it silent. Most of the issue didn't lend itself out to that genre. Since I didn't read ultimatum, the verdict is still out on whether or not Peter is truly dead. I, personally, don't care anymore. Anyway, I found it unusual that "chatty" Bendis would even attempt a silent issue. I think he pulled it off well enough; however, the book's own atmosphere and action didn't make very good use of it. Also, I find it a bit jarring that Bendis resulted to using dumb Hulk just because Loeb is. It's even harder to take in logically when a mini-series just ended explaining that Banner can control his Hulk side better. Whatever.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on June 07, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
The silent ultimate spider-man "finale" didn't really work for me; since they're re-starting this series, unless it's titled Ultimate Spider-(wo)man, I think they need the main character among the living, and wordless comics are more of a gimmick.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on June 07, 2009, 04:42:01 PM
thanks for the quickies, Poddy. I decided not to review things this week. I will comment on three books:

Amazing Spider-man:

I like Joe Kelley's run thus far. It makes me miss him on Deadpool because this is probably one of the few times I have found the book to have any real sense of humor. However, I do question the inclusion of a street walker in an all ages book, and a certain scene with Venom wasn't really all that appropriate with the vibe it was giving off. Also, while I can accept the mentioning of Gwen "true love" Stacy, I always find myself becoming cautious when they mention her.



for me personally replace the word cautious with the words mind numbingly bored
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 11, 2009, 12:23:04 AM
Not reviewing today, but I read Uncanny X-men: First Class. I loved it. The Wolverine portion of the book was at Deadpool levels of humor. In fact, I have pics. Spoilers pics below.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on June 11, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Read the latest Warmachine. Cool! I like the American Eagle guy. Not much happened, but there was a really cool scene that illustrated why Knights would raise their face shield as a form of salute.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 11, 2009, 04:12:31 AM
Having read Uncanny now, I reeeeeallly want to see what AA thinks. AA, please post this week. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 11, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
I read it at 1am last night and I have to say it was the most anti-climatic end issue ever and here's why:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Glitch Girl on June 11, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
Prev, I want to thank you for posting those pages.  I hadn't planned on picking up the book, but after seeing those, I might just (or at least wait for the trade).  You're right, that's pure Kelly Deadpool there.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 11, 2009, 03:22:28 PM
AA, your post amuses me! I will now give my thoughts on this issue. In fact, it's time for a mini.

HIGHLIGHT ON: Sisterhood- The Fallacy Report

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ultimately, if I look at this Uncanny X-men storyline as a giant arc of unintentional funny moments, it's not bad. The problem comes when you actually begin to look for anything resembling a story, character development, theme, or plot. It doesn't help that Land drew the art. This isn't a slight against him because of his infamous art practices; it's a slight against him because of how many art related problems are strewn throughout each issue. If Fraction was trying to show us how not to write several characters and how not to write certain storylines, then he succeeded. Other than that, well... .
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No worries, GG. I think the book is really worth the 4 dollars (giant sized special, the actual series hasn't begun yet). You get around 40 pages of story split between each character in the book minus Jean. Each story has a different art and writing style, and each character has their moment. Basically, it's a framing story + 5 smaller stories within it it + a few extras. Pretty good read, me thinks. In other news, I have also heard that Claremont's X-men: Forever started off well.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 11, 2009, 03:36:59 PM
AA, your post amuses me! I will now give my thoughts on this issue. In fact, it's time for a mini.
I had to edit the heck out of that. I should not post when I just wake up.

OHMYGAWD PREV! Your thoughts amused me.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on June 11, 2009, 07:15:34 PM
But what about Deadpool vs Bullse....err, Hawkeye? This was frickin hilarious. Prev, please enlighten the folks.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on June 11, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Adding to the Uncanny X-men 511 fallacy report: in this issue Scott pegs Mach 5 at about 300 mph.  Um, that's not even Mach 1, the speed of sound (about 700 mph, depending on altitude & temperature).  Mach 5 is literally 5 times faster; getting something like that wrong is just lazy writing.

Also, since Northstar can apparently go lightspeed, wouldn't it have been faster for him to go to the Mansion first rather than fly in the plane?  I mean, crossing North America at the speed of light is basically teleporting.  I guess if one thought the speed of sound is 300 mph one might also be grossly misinformed about how fast the speed of light is.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 12, 2009, 05:25:16 PM
But what about Deadpool vs Bullse....err, Hawkeye? This was frickin hilarious. Prev, please enlighten the folks.

Enlighten the people to what? I don't find Way's "he's beating our meat!" DP all that amusing, so I don't think I'm the person for the job. ^^.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on June 12, 2009, 09:15:33 PM
Aww... I thought this issue was great for laughs. The call to the radio station really makes Bullseye seem as crazy as Deadpool. Plus, I like the interaction between the two because Bullseye actually relates to Wade in that one scene of the flashbacks. Isn't that meat reference something Deadpool would say? Well, in his own mind at least. What is it about the writing you don't like?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Outcast on June 13, 2009, 04:28:18 AM
Bullseye vs Deadpool!  Looks and sounds  :cool:.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on June 13, 2009, 05:21:50 AM
Okay...just no. I cry myself to sleep every night because of Way's handling of the title.

The art is brilliant. Almost worth the cover price alone...almost.

I feel like Deadpool is now written by a substance abuser for other substance abusers. There is no other possible answer for its positive reviews. I now contemplate substance use, if not alcohol consumption, prior to reading an issue so I don't waste three dollars every month. But then, that would cost me more money...

*explodes*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on June 13, 2009, 05:36:18 AM
Bullseye vs Deadpool!  Looks and sounds  :cool:.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I thought that was awesome. I'm no expert like Murs or Prev is at Wade, but I like this stuff that's coming out. It entertains me and that's what I'm going for.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 13, 2009, 05:57:29 AM
I don't feel like going into why I dislike current Deadpool as I have done so before (one spur of the moment rant a week, dangit!). I've reviewed like 4 issues, I think, + I have a general dislike for Way's writing as can be seen in my Wolverine and Wolverine Origins "sumviews". Besides that, I believe Bullseye and Deadpool have been written better (together) in the past without so much of the forced nature. Anyway, my main problem with current DP is the multiple voices. It's not just the use of the voices, but it's the fact that Way introduced it to make up for the lost of DP's cast (which was something JQ felt was wrong with spider-man...). If I were to suggest or recommend a semi-good Deadpool series, it'd be Deadpool: Suicide Kings which makes use of Punisher, Daredevil, Outlaw, Spidey, and Tombstone. Of course, that series seems to mimic Way's style, so it's not that great of a recommendation, but I did enjoy it much more than the actual DP series, which I find to have very little substance.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 13, 2009, 06:02:36 AM
I'm sorry but Deadpool is hilariously funny. I picked it up when I got my other comics and all I have to say is the current written should be tapped for dialogue for the Deadpool movie. I got a real "Shawn of the Dead" type of banner from the issue and needless to say I'm a Deadpool (and Bulleyes) fan again. I really wish Deadpool and cable was still around though. They were the best comic duo ever.

Is there interaction forced? See I just know Deadpool and while he's not 4th wall breaking Wade I know, I can see what the sort of comedic writing Way is going with (btw I have never read any of Way's work because I stay away from all thing Wolverine accept the Origins tradeback which I enjoyed).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 13, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:

After the DD movie and during Dark Reign.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on June 13, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
Bullseye vs Deadpool!  Looks and sounds  :cool:.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I thought that was awesome. I'm no expert like Murs or Prev is at Wade, but I like this stuff that's coming out. It entertains me and that's what I'm going for.

First off, I'm no expert. An idiot maybe.........an expert idiot...heh.

I actually liked that fight scene as well at the end of issue 10. My frustration is more with issue 11. Way probably got high and thought meat jacket was the greatest thing ever, then he wanted to push it as much as possible. So basically the entire issue revolved around something that wasn't funny in my eyes.

I also have problems with the multiple voices, mostly because it's potential isn't being maximized. So far issues six and nine are worth double their cover price. The rest of the series....I want my money back. Odd how those two issues featured characters of Deadpool's past supporting casts.

I'm glad Wade's getting another solo on-going. It may co-star a zombie's head, but at least it's not written by Daniel Way and that's a victory all on it's own. ^_^

When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:

Deadpool tried attacking Bullseye at a Halloween party.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:

After the DD movie and during Dark Reign.

Ah yes...always interesting to see comic books adopt Hollywoods failings.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 13, 2009, 03:02:02 PM
I'm sorry but Deadpool is hilariously funny. I picked it up when I got my other comics and all I have to say is the current written should be tapped for dialogue for the Deadpool movie. I got a real "Shawn of the Dead" type of banner from the issue and needless to say I'm a Deadpool (and Bulleyes) fan again. I really wish Deadpool and cable was still around though. They were the best comic duo ever.

Is there interaction forced? See I just know Deadpool and while he's not 4th wall breaking Wade I know, I can see what the sort of comedic writing Way is going with (btw I have never read any of Way's work because I stay away from all thing Wolverine accept the Origins tradeback which I enjoyed).

Way's humor isn't something I can enjoy. To me it just feels like a step down from most of the stuff that came before. I will say he seems to be getting a better handle, but it's just not for me. Also, this DP vs. Bullseye story is forced for one major reason alone. DP "just" got out of a crossover where an entire team was sent to kill him, and they certainly outrank Bullseye in the threat department. So, why exactly would Norman go, "Hrm, my T-bolts were gravely outsmarted, so why don't I send DP's old frienemy after him instead! He's got no powers and has no real chance of accomplishing the feat, but it'll be GRAND!"

Anyway, with all the DP stories going around lately, I've found that DP is portrayed much better in other series outside of his own such as Marvel Zombies, Weapon X: First Class, Suicide Kings, and X-force/Cable; and the major reason for that happens to revolve around the fact that DP actually has someone to interact off again. That's when he's at his best, when he has a "straight" man or two + a myriad of other personalities to annoy.

When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:

C6, you wouldn't like it. :P. When Norman beat the skrull queen and took over as the head of SHIELD/HAMMER, he took some of his old Tbolts team and said, "Now that I'm in charge, you all will be revered as Avengers! We'll show the people we're not evil... while being completely evil! Also, you will wear Avenger costumes that I just happen to have spares of!"

So in short, I've never been a major fan of Daniel Way (and I've read several books by him), but my bias against him doesn't make me count him out immediately, and we now have three Avengers teams: 2 good, 1 evil.

ETA:

Heck, I didn't even mention that ever since the series premiered, it has been greatly tied into Dark Reign and every arc has been about the same thing over and over. Norman sending someone to kill DP and "hilarity" ensues. I'd like a bit more variety in my light plot books. If I want continuous "I'm going to kill you" plots, I'd just read Red Hulk... ok, I wouldn't, but still.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on June 13, 2009, 05:37:27 PM
Who knew Deadpool could spark such seriousness. :lol:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 13, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
ENOUGH!

Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on June 13, 2009, 09:20:08 PM
ENOUGH!

Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.

Bah you want Dark X-Men/Utopia stuff? I give you preview pics:
CBR's new Cup of Joe feature (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21573), go down the page, 6 pics total. I've identified all but 2 or 3 characters in the last group shot.
IGN's preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/988/988835p4.html), 4 pics no words.

Pod is very happy to see his beloved New X-Men  :D Unfortunately Pod has little interest in Fraction's X-Men  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 14, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
Prev: Ah! I see. I haven't read a Deadpool comic since Cable and Deadpool ended so I am lapsed in my recent history.

Is Suicide Kings good? Maybe I should pick that up to get my fix.

Also he's been showing up in X-Force too? I have a hard time reading that comic because it feels like I'm reading extremely gory bishonen manga and I don't read Cable because I feel like I'm reading an issue of Heavy Metal.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on June 14, 2009, 02:46:55 AM
Also he's been showing up in X-Force too? I have a hard time reading that comic because it feels like I'm reading extremely gory bishonen manga and I don't read Cable because I feel like I'm reading an issue of Heavy Metal.

The Deadpool in X-Force right now is a future version that's hundreds of years old and more insane than ever before.

Also I can totally see calling Choi's art bishonen, but not Clayton Crain's. Either way it's gory though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: MJB on June 14, 2009, 07:11:30 AM
So in current Marvel continuity there are 3 Deadpool's running around? Regular, Zombie and Future?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 14, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
So in current Marvel continuity there are 3 Deadpool's running around? Regular, Zombie and Future?

Kinda. Zombie Deadpool will star with regular Deadpool in a series (http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12208) soon, but zombie DP is from a different dimension and just ended up in 616 Marvel in Marvel Zombies 3, iirc. As for X-force, that's supposedly "current" DP, just very far into the future (I.E., time hop!). So technically, there's only 2 DP's running around, though if you count the Exiles versions...
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Suicide Kings is mediocre so far (it's still going), but I found it more amusing than Way's Pool. Not so much for the plot, which involves someone setting DP up as a terrorists and Punisher going after him, but for some of the odd moments in the book and the return and mention of some of DP's old cast. That, and I find it amusing to see DP interact with other heroes he rarely gets a chance to hang around with such as DD and Spidey*.

*little known fact, I really, really, really wanted to write a DP/Spidey scene in Ultimate Trio. Of course, it didn't work out. So... I'm hoping Spidey has a big part in Suicide Kings #4 of 5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on June 14, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Enigma on June 14, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.

From the sounds of things, we could manage a team of Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool and Deadpool. And Wolverine, cuz, you know, overused joke.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on June 15, 2009, 05:49:58 AM
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.

From the sounds of things, we could manage a team of Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool and Deadpool. And Wolverine, cuz, you know, overused joke.

No, no, no. It's Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool, Deadpool, Wolverine and Wolverine. 'Cause seeing Deadpool(s) meeting Logan and "Jr." would be all kinds of funny.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 15, 2009, 07:24:26 AM
What if Deadpool already has met Daken and Logan at the same time? *See Wolverine Origins... or don't. Best if you don't.*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on June 15, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
I think Deadpool, Bob, Reed Richards, and Sue Storm would be the ultimate team-up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on June 15, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
I once made a joke to a friend about Deadpool having the Cosmic Cube as a sidekick, and the Cosmic Cube was voiced by David Hyde Pierce. They went on wacky adventures all through the universe. It was great.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 18, 2009, 12:54:20 PM
Hey, where's that guy that used to review and summarize? That guy is slackin'!

X-men Legacy #225 (3):

No need for a spoiler tag or even that much info. This issue focuses on Xavier putting an end to the Acolytes. This story also features the return of Karima Sharpander, who decided to stay with Exodus after Xavier and Magneto abandoned her. Outside of Xavier single-handedly attempting to come into and take down the Acolytes, a revisit of Amelia and Xavier's past, and Xavier talking Exodus into changing his purpose in life, not much else happens. However, the X-men should have some new visitors in San Fran and the end of the issue alludes to how Norman got Xavier and Exodus to join/form the Dark X-men.

Overall, I'd rate this issue another 3. Legacy is typically a mediocre read where not much happens, but everyone mostly stays in character. In that sense, I can understand why the book is sometimes labeled as "boring." On the other hand, nothing wildly gross or out of character happens and it's not a book that relies on huge plot twists, a huge cast list, or events that hinge on the very minimalist's idea of a plot. We'll see how this book fares during the Dark X-men/Avengers crossover, though the next issue seems to be about Rogue, Gambit, and Danger going by the teaser/cover. Fun.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: daglob on June 18, 2009, 02:33:38 PM
I once made a joke to a friend about Deadpool having the Cosmic Cube as a sidekick, and the Cosmic Cube was voiced by David Hyde Pierce. They went on wacky adventures all through the universe. It was great.

Bat-Mite: "Batman just doesn't appreciate me. I'll show him; I'll find another super-hero and help him to be greater than Batman."

Zoom in on Deadpool: "Wha..."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 18, 2009, 03:21:15 PM
I don't get why Carey is using Danger so much. Also why does this title feel so incredibly boring when he first started on the title it was the most exciting and best x-title.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Mystik on June 18, 2009, 04:03:42 PM
I think carey is just stretching his out until the 3rd part of the messiah trilogy (and the next  x revamp)- its like he's stuck in limbo until then

on another note
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/061609brubabkercap600.html (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/061609brubabkercap600.html) - an interesting interview 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 18, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
AA, I think the problem with Legacy and why so many people classify it as the "brainy, boring" book is simple. Carey spends issue after issue focusing on character development and the plot usually feels secondary or subtle. In comparison, books like Uncanny and X-force aim for high, exciting action and development typically seems secondary if the issue has any type of development at all.

I should note that character development isn't about how "in-character" a fictional person is, but how much progression or introspection the character is allowed. I can't deny that Xavier needed a lot of fixing thanks to what writers did for him, but I don't know if it was a good idea to spend 20+ issues on fixing him (and Rogue) up. Twas necessary, so hopefully future stories and such bring the excitement factor back. Also of note, I think the extreme focus on Xavier and his "cast" of characters also brings the book down a bit because A ) Xavier isn't a well liked character to begin with and B ) any character that is focused on too much begins to affect your likingment [sic] of them and/or the storyline they're in. (See: "Wolverine" Effect)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on June 18, 2009, 06:49:18 PM
Yay more Karima! I missed her so.
I pick up Legacy in bulk whenever my shop has sales. It's a decent read all at once but it doesn't excite me enough for monthly reading.

I didn't realize Exodus would be part of the Dark X-Men.


Pod's quickie reviews:
Young Avengers #2: Mark Brooks is one of my fav artists but I found his work really off on a number of pages. Story is slow, kinda interesting but I find it really odd too. Hard to explain just not what I expected and I really don't know where this will all go. I'm giving it a 2/5 but it's not awful or anything.

Cable (Messiah War #6): God I can't wait for this to end. Too long, too repetitive, and poor art with the exception of the prologue. Ariel Olivetti's art drives me nuts - so static and bulky (Elixir is hilarious looking). There are few surprising/interesting developments in this one though. 2/5

Mighty Avengers #26: This story is so contrived that it's so bad it's good. I found it so unintentionally funny. Art is kinda better than last month in that it didn't bother me nearly as much. The developments with Jocasta and Hank are too fast but interesting. Still waiting for this book to really pick up. 3/5 but it's probably really a 2, I just enjoyed it for all the wrong reasons :D
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 18, 2009, 11:15:36 PM
Captain Britain #14... was an awesome read. It was quite the ride from beginning to end. Any book that is able to tie in an annual, which, on a whole, has become fairly useless in the comic genre, is grand in my book. Doom is a smart man, and the Mi13 really know how to use their heads when they need it. However, I can't help but feel bad for Lady Jac. Tis a 4 out of 5. Trade it, people. It ends in one more issue... sadly. :(


http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=28809 - Uncanny Preview. The return of Betsy and Warren? No way! I won't even comment on Psylocke and her power upgrade.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 19, 2009, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060918-WordBalloon-Loeb1.html#comments
"Hulk #14-#18 features the match-up of Hulk Vs Wolverine in a story called Code Red. The Red Hulk puts together a team consisting of Thundra, Deadpool, Elektra, The Crimson Dynamo, Punisher and a couple of other surprises to come. They encounter X-Force and starts off with someone learning the Red Hulk's deepest secret." -- Loeb

I made a great decision in deciding NOT to pick this up when I first heard about it. Also, DP is teetering on overexposure at the point. They should cut it down a bit. Anyway, unless Hulk is grabbing people from time again, I don't see the bolded characters joining him for ANY reason, especially not Punisher.

Also, any writer that criticizes another should have some good work to back it up currently... not anything named "Hulk" or "Ultimatum." ^^
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http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8463.Captain_Britain~colon~_A_Batwing_and_a_Prayer

I'll miss Captain Britian. #14 had quite the twist in it. Should've been obvious, but it wasn't...

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http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2876&disp=table

Dark Wolverine = passable... and by "passable," I mean I'll be able to pass it on the rack as should you. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 19, 2009, 07:47:04 PM
Pre, which writer(s) was Loeb criticizing? I checked out the article and didn't see anything (just skimmed it) and am not really interested in listening to a podcast interview with Jeph Loeb.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 19, 2009, 10:20:49 PM
Why is Mighty Avengers so bad? And is it me or was DR Young Avengers really dull this week.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 20, 2009, 01:56:56 AM
I didn't understand the point of this Mighty Avengers's arc other than developing some characters and moving a plot device around. Why did Reed mistrust Hank... then forgive Hank? What was that built on? It just felt hollow to me. Also, some characters feel very useless to me at the moment. Not to mention that I can do without the reverse of SW and Vision/Cassie and Vision. Hank and Jocasta just feels... very... odd. I'm gonna hafta "no" that development.

Pre, which writer(s) was Loeb criticizing? I checked out the article and didn't see anything (just skimmed it) and am not really interested in listening to a podcast interview with Jeph Loeb.

Loeb did a lot of hot air talking so it's hard to home in on anything specific. He's an obtuse guy. But anyway, he spoke about Bendis and Brubaker on DD and why he felt that direction was wrong... so to speak. Look, I did you all a favor and made clips of the interview for your enjoyment. I left out the Hulk 600/Hulk 13/Ultimatum stuff because it made me ill.

Warning, may contain some mature language.

[Links Down!]

From those small snippets, you will learn that Loeb is a bit out of it and really HATES Nightwing and Barry. Also, for some reason, he compares his Hulk to Michael Bay's transformers. I'm not sure how to really take that. Anyway, these will be up for a few days before disappearing. Listen while you can.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on June 20, 2009, 03:35:15 AM
Huh.

I find his "capes should fight capes" rant incredibly interesting. Especially since my favorite Loeb book is "The Long Halloween."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on June 20, 2009, 04:10:30 AM
I've gotta say, Legacy is by far my favorite X-book right now. I love how Xavier is actually being used as "the most powerful mind in the world".
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 20, 2009, 04:25:30 AM
Thanks for the clips. It is weird he talked about how characters should act when he is notorious for OOC.

Wow, I'm really insulted by his Nightwing sucks comment.

Also what is his problem with secret identities getting screen time. Isn't he the one who wrote Superman for All Seasons? Also Geoff obviously knows what he's doing - everything he touches turns to gold where as Loeb just tells ridiculous stories which are always saved by the artist.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 21, 2009, 03:01:12 AM
http://comics.ign.com/articles/996/996452p1.html -- Fraction on Dark Reign/Utopia/Ironman

- Sometimes, I think Fraction hasn't actually looked into the characters he wants to write. Claiming the X-men are too masculine when he has like 6 females on the team he doesn't use, claiming Emma was never really a villain, and his confusion about Psylocke and Dazzler is a bit off-putting. I really, really hope Dark X-men is worth it.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683 - Mike Carey on Legacy's new direction with Rogue. Perhaps we'll see more "New" X-men?

Quote from: Carey
The younger mutants that Rogue interacts with include a who's who of characters from New X-Men and Young X-Men. ?I think it's fair to say that Bling is a very important character and Trance, who is important in issues #226-227 of the series, continues to play a key role,? Carey revealed. ?We'll also be seeing a lot of characters like Indra, Loa, and Hellion.?

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21692 - Aaron, Pak, and Hickman on "The List." The return of Fantomex??

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21673 - Fraction, Bendis, and Remender on "The List."


In other news, did anyone read USM: Requiem part 1?

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 24, 2009, 09:29:01 PM
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-men #1 (3):

Since Uncanny and this crossover both came out at the same time, I only grabbed one book this week. I more or less dropped Uncanny (again), so this is Fraction?s last chance to get my money back especially with the 4-dollar price tag this crossover boasts. Anyway, this is the big storyline that threatens to change the X-men dynamic once again. How will it pan out? Find out now!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Overall, this issue was nothing but one giant showdown after another. Fraction did use more of the cast than he ever has, but no one got any sufficient amount of screen time outside of Beast, Cyclops, and Emma. Fraction also managed to hurt the ending to an X-force storyline by using characters that were last seen to be captured and about to die AND for some reason, Carol is still shown to be alive at this point even though she died. Amusingly, this issue is what I?d describe as mostly fighting. That label was applied to issue 510 as well, but the crossover pulls it off much better. I guess that?s another negative mark against Land. Oh well. Anyway, this book didn?t really psyche me and I didn?t really care for the ?shocking? Xavier twist. Tis a 3, for me.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 24, 2009, 11:01:52 PM
Why were there 9 inkers on this issue?

Also how the hell are they going to fix thing once this disaster is over?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 24, 2009, 11:34:13 PM
They'll just move in another "new" direction. Speaking of, Beast is one of the most ruined X-characters in recent time. This week hasn't been good to him in the least bit. Uncanny, Astonishing, and the DA/UXM crossover effectively knocked him off his high horse. Speaking of crossovers, don't you love when crossovers result in almost nothing changing? Hi, Messiah War!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on June 24, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
Speaking of crossovers, don't you love when crossovers result in almost nothing changing? Hi, Messiah War!

lol
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on June 25, 2009, 02:00:23 AM
Wolverine: First Class #16 (3):

I know I haven?t been reviewing this book much, but it?s really not a book I have much to say about. The original writer, Van Lente, was replaced with PAD some time ago and the issues so far have been good. Over the last few stories, Wolverine teamed up with Daredevil and Elektra to protect a woman who held a most coveted item, and the next issue featured Kitty wanting to meet Thor to show off to her bratty frienemies.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This issue was a fun, quick read similar to X-men First Class. I?m a little iffy on the plot and the ?twist,? but other than that, it was nice to see Kitty, Siryn, Wolverine, and Dazzler all interacting together. The art was very exaggerated. I guess you could compare it to a Saturday morning cartoon. Other than that, nothing really stood out. Tis a 3. Yay for Dazzler getting characterized again. Fraction, take note.

Wolverine: Weapon X #3 (4):

Last issue, Wolverine found himself overpowered by the adamantium men/Strikeforce X and took refuge in the woods. His pursuers gave chase and slowly began to realize that they had just fallen into Logan?s trap.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Out of all the Wolverine books on the market at the moment, this is my current fave. Jason really has his voice down and the story is enjoyable thus far. It helps that this book is accessible to a new reader and doesn?t try to ham itself into continuity like some other books do. Also, I must say it?s pretty cool to see Maverick back in action as I haven?t seen him in awhile. This issue is a 4 for me.

Astonishing X-men #30 (3.5):

Last issue, the X-men tracked down Forge to see why he was creating mutants? or whatever.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This issue may have been the more exciting issue of this long, long storyline, but the X-men essentially stood around for several pages as Forge spouted off crazy. Essentially, Beast and Agent Brand beat the threat of Forge and whatever could have been in the ghost box using a powerful laser. Too bad Beast and Brand didn?t even consider what might have been on the other side of that box and allowed a world and a teammate to die. I still don?t particularly like Bianchi?s work, but it seemed to be slightly better this issue than the last several few. Also, Forge got off a joke that I really enjoyed ("Emma Frost. I didn't recognize you with your legs together."), but we all know what happens to characters that tick off Cyclops. They disappear!  Anyway, this is a 3.5. Midly amusing, but I can do without storylines that make my dislike of catBeast strengthen. Let?s hope the next arc of Astonishing comes out much more frequently without the awkward art.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on June 25, 2009, 11:59:32 PM
I thought the forge thing wasn't that bad. And Ghostboxes? Destroy Plz. I'm expecting Forge to live.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on June 26, 2009, 04:45:37 AM
Captain America #600

What would be issue #51 of the current Captain America series is given the aaniversary numbering treatment for what would have been issue #600 if the series that started with Captain America #100 (It having been Tales of Suspense for #s 1 to 99), and is over 60 pages. The issue shipped with two different covers - released in equal amounts, so there is no gimmick cover - one by Alex Ross and one by Steve Epting (fortunately my comics shop gave me the Alex Ross cover; I like Steve Epting, but the Alex Ross cover design is better).

The issue starts off with a really cool two page origin recap (narrated by Steve Rogers), with the top panels being blue and focusing on the star on his shirt and shield and the bottom panels being alternating red and white stripes. The rest of the issue is mostly short viginettes (most a few pages long) featuring different characters - both friends and allies of Cap (including his old roommates from the era when he lived in an apartment building) and villains. Ed Brubaker wrote most of the issue, with different artists handling the different stories (Howard Chaykin handled the art chores on a sequence featuring the 1950's Cap who is running around - thankfully not in costume in this story). The're aslo a pretty good story written by Mark Waid that is pretty good, and the book closes with a two page comentary by Cap co-creator Joe Simon, a re-print of a story from the Golden Age: a battle with the Red Skull from Captain America Comics #16 from 1942, and a gallery featuring the covers from every issue of Captain America (including the issues of Tales of Suspense).

There are also some tie-ins to the death of Captain America, and some of the sequences featuring Sharon Carter set up the upcoming Captain America Reborn mini-series.

One bit of bad news:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)



I give it a 4/5 - the cover gallery could have been more pages to allow for bigger pictures of the covers, and two of the short viginettes were fairly bad.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 02, 2009, 03:19:44 AM
Reborn and Uncanny 513 came out. I don't plan on reviewing today (and I didn't buy Uncanny); so, does anyone wanna replace me for the week?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 02, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
Reborn and Uncanny 513 came out. I don't plan on reviewing today (and I didn't buy Uncanny); so, does anyone wanna replace me for the week?

I actually thought Uncanny was ok this week. I don't know if it is the art but I didnt hate it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 02, 2009, 09:03:35 PM
reborn could be interesting but the reason steve is comming back totally cheapens his death, it's just bad writing
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 02, 2009, 10:05:49 PM
I wouldn't classify it as bad writing "right" away, though it does remind me of a book and I've seen people compare it to Lost (which I can understand) and Batman/Darkseid (which I can kinda see, but don't agree with). Ed Brubaker went into why he chose the direction he did, but I don't remember where I saw it. The basic reasoning came down to the fact that Steve is basically reliving major parts of his past as a literal interpretation of his mantra: "man out of time." However, the road taken to reach this point has some flaws in it, but I'll give Bru a chance to tidy everything up before I fully judge it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 07, 2009, 08:37:13 PM
After reading Fraction recent interview at CBR, did anyone else totally miss that the blonde dude with the hat was Adam-X in UXM 513? I'm a little underwhelmed with this appearance. He doesn't seem like the guy who would scream "let's get "f'ing" extreme".  And "bros". He's not a frat guy, he's an roayl interspecies mutant who is probably not Katherine Summers' son.

Also shouldn't he be in space? When did he get back to Earth?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 07, 2009, 08:45:06 PM
From what I've heard Fraction gets everyone's personalities wrong (Hellion leading an angry mutant mob- I can maybe buy that, but "He?s not really one for strategy" and wearing an Omega gang shirt argh! And what was Sunspot doing there? Does he at least check with Wells? And Meld, seriously?)

Fraction said somewhere way back that he wants to get as many mutants into the story as possible.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 07, 2009, 08:49:25 PM
Yes, Fraction gets the majority of X-men personalities incorrect and hearing that he sees Pixie as Wolvie's sidekick and somehow thinks she's a mix of Jubilee and Kitty = frightening. Basically, one should be scared if Fraction has an interest in any of their favorite characters outside of Ironfist and Ironman.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 07, 2009, 09:04:52 PM
From what I've heard Fraction gets everyone's personalities wrong (Hellion leading an angry mutant mob- I can maybe buy that, but "He?s not really one for strategy" and wearing an Omega gang shirt argh!)

Fraction said somewhere way back that he wants to get as many mutants into the story as possible.

Yeah, Avalanche and Sunspot also seemed out of character. In fact, everyone is. Even though I thought the issue was a stark improvement over the last 6 plus issues, I'm starting to realize he doesn't do his homework. In fact his little blurb said Cloak and Dagger were druggies...when did that happen? They were forced to use drugs (with a lot of other runaways) but that does not make them abusers...urgh...I wish he would leave Adam-X alone. Since Vulcan appeared I have been waiting for him to either A) replace Lilandra as emperor of the Shiar (he is DKen's son) or B) finally be revealed as Katherine Summers' defile baby.

EDIT: I can't type defile!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 07, 2009, 09:14:53 PM
Yeah, Avalanche and Sunspot also seemed out of character.

Yeah I edited Sunspot into my post later. And I added Meld too. Meld might only be from a 4-issue mini but if I remember right he totally wasn't the type to be in this group.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: bdrake on July 07, 2009, 09:25:02 PM
i just wanted to say although his basic plots are goods faction suffers from "please forgive how  dumb i act this issue " sysdrome. which alarms blaring and the masion under attack collouis runs in unarmored and is sliced open by spirl? wtf? wasnt that covered in basic danger room 1, uhhh armor up when were attacked. geez
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 07, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
From what I gathered from reviews, that whole mesh-up of characters was a little off. I'm not sure why Sunspot and Hellion would be hanging out with Avalanche in the first place. Avalanche should be miffed with the X-men in general for what a few of them did to his bar just to teach him a lesson he didn't need (at the time). But, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Kitty found her way out of that bullet just to stand around in the background of this "riot" storyline Fraction refused to build up to. In fact, if she doesn't appear, I will be SHOCKED! :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 08, 2009, 02:09:48 PM
I feel so late on this but this morning I read that whole Liefeld backlash to Rictor and Shatterstar. Hasn't it been hinted their relationship was closer than friends for like 15 years now? Is their non-platonic relationship really a shock to anyone? Does anyone even think Shatterstar being revealed as gay is that big of a deal? Because I was honestly underwhelmed. It was sort of like the Alpha Flight/X-Men crossover where Rogue touched Northstar and found out his "secret" and like 10 years later he came out.

It's not like Iceman (who a lot of people think is gay) kissed Northstar.

I think the only part of this whole comic drama is that Liefeld seems to think this was such a terrible thing to happen to one of his characters. If anything he should still be getting flack for the way he disrespects anatomy (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg) and reality (http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03a/2009_06_June_releases/youngbloodcov10_temp.jpg).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on July 08, 2009, 03:03:52 PM
Ok, I counted 18 pouches in that pic alone. Plus, is that guy carrying a sawnoff laser shotgun? How could I have missed this pic?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 08, 2009, 06:43:18 PM
Apparently Liefeld wasn't paying attention because Shatterstar and Rictor would have been a couple years ago had a writer not left the book before revealing it. David just finally tied up a loose thread.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 08, 2009, 07:11:08 PM
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on July 08, 2009, 07:37:10 PM
I gave up caring about Shatterstar when he went from being someone from mojoworld to some sick kid who had a spirit or whatever of someone from there to like the 8th summers brother.

Honestly I never thought he would connect to anyone, man or woman, in a meaningful way and I kind of liked that about the character. Made him more alien in a way. Also I am curious about the Rictor thing though since I dont remember getting that hint from him but it really has been a while since I saw him anyway.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on July 08, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
I think the only part of this whole comic drama is that Liefeld seems to think this was such a terrible thing to happen to one of his characters. If anything he should still be getting flack for the way he disrespects anatomy (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg) and reality (http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03a/2009_06_June_releases/youngbloodcov10_temp.jpg).
Feh, That cap pic is one of his worst. Seriously... you CAN'T draw a profile and a shot of somebody's pecs!
Liefield's obsession with pouches wouldn't be so bad if he knew how to put them where they don't get in the character's way....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 08, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay

Iceman is Gay (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS292US308&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iceman+is+gay)

Even Family Guy thinks Iceman is gay (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/iceman-on-family-guy/).

I gave up caring about Shatterstar when he went from being someone from mojoworld to some sick kid who had a spirit or whatever of someone from there to like the 8th summers brother.

Honestly I never thought he would connect to anyone, man or woman, in a meaningful way and I kind of liked that about the character. Made him more alien in a way. Also I am curious about the Rictor thing though since I dont remember getting that hint from him but it really has been a while since I saw him anyway.

Well around the same time Shatterstar started having any sort of feeling besides kill, murder, battle Rictor was helping him adjust to living on Earth like watching TV (which was weird for me considering where he's from) and normal stuff. Sometime during that they both started sharing a bed together and being very protective of each other. That is from like Mid-90s (right before Onslaught probably).

As for Shatterstar I think what Loeb did to him has been reversed (sort of). Last time I checked he was from Mojoworld again (sort of).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 08, 2009, 09:10:27 PM
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay

Iceman is Gay (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS292US308&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iceman+is+gay)

Even Family Guy thinks Iceman is gay (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/iceman-on-family-guy/).

i knew about the family guy joke but just guessed it was them poking fun, didn't think there was a whole thing behind it
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on July 08, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Not that much...

I'm tempted to file it with Xena/Gabrielle.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 10, 2009, 03:53:03 AM
Anyone read anything good this week?

Spider-man annual (3):

This was ok. I'm still wary of mainstream spidey even attempting to rely on the clone saga for storylines. Also, the Reilly's seemed like a very interesting pack. The Parker luck continues, though I now question his mental state a bit more than I usually would.

X-men Legacy 226 (4):

Loved it. This issue seemed to be full of action the majority of the Xavier issues lacked. Also, it was nice seeing a bunch of side mutants that haven't been used in awhile, and Rogue with control over her powers = good. I hope her brisk scuffle with Ares results in the return of her super strength long term though.


Incredible Hulk 600 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3014&disp=table

Fred Van Lente = Tolerable. Jeph Loeb = UGH, NO! Conclusion: Tole-ugh!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on July 15, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Captain America #601

I'm going to keep this short:

1. Artwork by Gene Colan. That's reason enough alone to recommend buying the issue.

2. The story is a flashback told by Bucky America to other heroes (including Nick Fury) about a mission he and Steve went on during WW II that involved vampires (Baron Blood is involved, but not directly; he doesn't actually take part in the story). And you know vampires + Gene Colan = a very good thing. (He was THE Tomb of Dracula artist!)

3. The mission has historical signifigance. Gene drew the cover to the last issue of Captain America Comics that was published in the 1940's, and storyline-wise
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.

HIGHLY recommend this issue.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on July 16, 2009, 04:39:02 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090716-JoeKellyDeadpool.html

Life is good. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 16, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
I love the cover!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 17, 2009, 06:13:14 AM
Pod, something else you might like, I recall reading that the YA will appear in Mighty pretty soon. It must be sad having your favorite characters stuck in cameo roles... that's so X-men circa the 60s.

No reviews this week from me; however, I read New Mutants #3! I found it to be enjoyable, though I feel like there was a considerable gap in its release schedule. I also read the final issue of Joe Kelley's "American Son". I found it to be passable, although I wasn't all that enthused about its outcome.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 19, 2009, 08:18:27 PM
Pod, something else you might like, I recall reading that the YA will appear in Mighty pretty soon. It must be sad having your favorite characters stuck in cameo roles... that's so X-men circa the 60s.

No reviews this week from me; however, I read New Mutants #3! I found it to be enjoyable, though I feel like there was a considerable gap in its release schedule. I also read the final issue of Joe Kelley's "American Son". I found it to be passable, although I wasn't all that enthused about its outcome.

New Mutants 3 was either 5 or 6 weeks from #2. The 5 week month has releases kinda screwed up this month.

I liked American Son. Probably one of my favorite BND story arcs.

The YA seem to be permanent guest/cameos in Mighty. One day they will have an ongoing again though. Someone just needs to kick Heinberg.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 23, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
MMk, it's been awhile since I've reviewed anything in my old style. I'm sure no one has missed them, but whatever! :P

X-force #17:

This issue should be refreshing since we?re finally out of that crossover nonsense that resulted in neither book having a new course or outlook on their mission. It should be? but will it? Let us not forget that several issues ago, the X-men were interrupted mid-mission by the slowly, but surely, mentally degrading, but oh-so-fly Cyclops. How will this story end? Let?s find out. Turn the page.

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This issue was ok, and it was nice to see Rahne again. I think she needs to play a much bigger part than she has in this series, otherwise I don?t see the point of taking her off X-factor. At least there, she had a more active role and storyline. The whole team is split up in this issue, though everyone, minus Warpath, got some amount of adequate screen time. Oh, I can now confidently say that this storyline takes place before Utopia, which makes me wonder why Wolvie and Domino were present in the Psylocke story of Uncanny, but have all been missing for Utopia minus, I guess, Warpath (I think I saw him filling out a background in the one-shot). So coming to a conclusion, this was a pretty good read, but nothing that set my literary heart on fire. I give it a 3 out of 5.

Dark Wolverine #76:

Much to my astonishment, last issue of this book was pretty good, but before I make any official retractions, let?s see how this issue holds up. Previously, Daken was making waves as he slowly began to work through his teammates, starting with Bullseye. Not only that, Daken reveals that he might just be a little bi-curious. Though, of interest, I do find it odd that Daken now has uber-refined tastes after spending the majority of his creation not caring about it. I suspect this was something Majorie Liu added. Anyway, onto the sumview.

I wouldn?t feel human if I let this pass. I just wouldn?t and I hope you all understand, but Ares looks ridiculous without his helmet. I thought the Mohawk thing he used to rock was bad? but this is worse. Leave the helmet on. Now onto the sumview?for real real, not for play play.

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That?s two issues in a row that I found appealing. I?m in shock, but I know this has very little to do with Daniel Way. You see, I don?t think he?s writing the majority of these issues. I think the writing process falls mostly on Majorie, and I?m fine with that. She adds things to this character that makes him seem more than just another Wolverine derivative, which he ultimately is. Regardless of the fact that I question the sudden changes to his personality and his raising degree of smarts, he intrigues me now, and it only took Way getting a Co-Writer. Because of this, gangers, I give this issue a 3.5. I enjoyed it more than X-force, but it still has me questioning a few things.

Guardians of the Galaxy #16:

Sadly, I don?t really remember what happened last issue except the GotG learned that Lilandra was dead, they were attacked, and tracked through their lovely base. Other than that, this book is still stuck in WoK, so if you weren?t involved with this book or the event to begin with, you probably won?t care what happened last time. Consider it? skipped.

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I think I enjoyed this issue, though it really has no major ties to WoK. Not necessarily a bad thing, but with the banner on the cover, I expected a little more connectivity. Anyway, with Starhawk?s purpose out of the way, and the team once again stuck in a life/death situation, I rate this book a mighty 3.
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Murs linked me to this, so I'll share it with you all. Exiles is canceled... again. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/07/23/jeff-parker-atlas-saved-exiles-cancelled/)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on July 23, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
Wasn't Wolverine Jr. introduced as being a little bi-curious?  I thought in his initial appearances he was leading on a guy or something like that.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Wasn't Wolverine Jr. introduced as being a little bi-curious?  I thought in his initial appearances he was leading on a guy or something like that.

I know next to nothing whatsoever about the character, as the only Marvel books I am reading (since Avengers/Invaders is over) are Captain America and Captain America Reborn, but according to a discussion about him at another board, that seems to be the case.

Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

Apparently an upcoming comic is going to have Bruce Banner (not the Hulk) and Skaar (the Hulk's son) taking on Wolverine and Daken. The picture I've seen has Banner in street clothes (and looking a bit too buff; when did he stop being a beanpole?) standing next to Skaar who is being attacked by Wolverine and Banner is aiming a gun at Daken (whose hand is all that's shown in the picture). Does Banner not turn into the Hulk now, or something?

(I used to be a diehard Marvel Zombie (preferring Marvel titles over DC), but Civil War and its aftermath (ie, all the Dark Reign garbage and the Osborn crap - I really hope he gets killed off again soon) and the One ore Day/Brand New Day thing with Spider-Man has mostly killed my love for Marvel; I want Joe Q, Millar and Bendis gone!)

The only thing I'm waiting to find out outside of the titles I am reading is Rulk's true identity; if it turns out to be
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, I may need a barf bucket handy unless he is killed off (not depowered, but deceased!) asap.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 24, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
Wasn't the identity of Rulky supposed to be revealed in Hulk 600 or one of the following issues? I kinda stopped caring with all the fake-outs.

Talavar, I suppose that's true, but back then, Daken was just using the guy to hurt someone else. Over the past few weeks, the writers have been laying it on thick with the bisexual thing. In fact, I think he slept with a guy a few weeks back, though it wasn't on screen, and in DW 75 and 76, he made passes at both Bullseye and Thing (to intimidate him)... and he also made a pass at Venom. Obviously Daken is very loose and not very picky.
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Anyway, a  preview: Dark X-men #2 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3107&disp=table)- We get to learn how Cloak and Dagger (those silly drug addicts/Fraction :P) got into the mix.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?

Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?

If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on July 24, 2009, 02:56:01 PM
"Rulk" :lol:

When did Scooby-Doo start writing for Marvel? Is that his official name or another oh so clever fan made name like "Clor"?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on July 24, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
"Rulk" :lol:

When did Scooby-Doo start writing for Marvel? Is that his official name or another oh so clever fan made name like "Clor"?

Oh Court, you are what the French call "le tre funny."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on July 24, 2009, 04:26:38 PM
it's a fan name... but given the things I've heard about the run, I wouldn't be surprised if Scooby Doo does show up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on July 24, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
Jinkies.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 24, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
Jinkies.

Velma... Velma, is that you? How you been, girly? As for Rulk, I'm pretty sure that name was actually used in a comic at one point in time... and Clor has as well. Maybe I imagined it, but both characters aren't important enough for me to caaaaare. ^_^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on July 24, 2009, 04:52:33 PM
Jinkies.
Velma... Velma, is that you? How you been, girly?

Not bad, not bad. How about you, Scrappy-Doo?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 24, 2009, 11:14:48 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg

ok between this and megan fox being favorite to play she-hulk, i just think what the hell
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on July 25, 2009, 01:49:21 AM
it is the rapture I tell you! The end of days!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on July 25, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg

Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on July 25, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?

Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?

If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).

I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 25, 2009, 04:18:38 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?

Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?

If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).

I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.

His power isn't "sexual seducation" it is pheromone control. In fact he can use his pheromones to manipulate the emotional state and sensory perceptions of other beings. Isn't manipulating someone's emotional state and sensory perception mind control? Is it because he is emitting a scent that forces people to compile with his will instead of using telepathy that you draw some difference?

Regardless, the mechanics of the power isn't the issue here. The fact that you accept the power of flight and energy emission but believe that heterosexuals can't be seduced into homosexual sex because of their sexual identity is laughable. Sexual identity is a lot more flexible than you realize even without superpowers being involved.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on July 25, 2009, 05:02:39 AM
And it's basically the same power as the Purple Man's (though less powerful), because his power is mind control based on pheromones as well.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 25, 2009, 05:49:34 AM
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196

Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 25, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196

Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.

Nercosha is a ghetto baby name.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 25, 2009, 12:35:10 PM
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196

Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.

Nercosha is a ghetto baby name.

AA, you're too much sometimes. In other news, I'm tired of X-overs. I thought [the] Avengers were Marvel's hot team at the moment... why do the X-men keep crossing over?

Also of note... Hulk 600 was a giant waste of time and I hope no one here spent 5 bucks on it. If you did, I'm sorry for your wallets.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on July 25, 2009, 04:54:14 PM
Hmm.. I like the idea of Necrosha. It gives Selene a real job.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 25, 2009, 06:14:23 PM
Final review for me this week (month...)

CB&MI13 #15:

The final issue of the series. I put it off as long as I could, but I had to read it and review it. I mean, I only talked about it the majority of the time I got, right? So, last issue, Pete and the team revealed they pulled a fast one on Dracula, Doom gave Dracula a small gift that may or may not help him, and Brian and Faiza were ready to layeth the smack downeth. How will this book conclude? Let?s *sniff* find out, shall we?

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As a finale issue, this felt very rushed. I know Paul said this is how he wanted it to end, but the sword fighting at the end is a perfect example of how quick certain elements of this issue were. The quality held up, sure, but it was just a bit disappointing in that aspect. We also didn?t get any shots of the team all together. The book ended with the team in pairs of two in different locations. I?m not even going to mention the cameos because, like I said in the review, they were basically pointless. If anything, it was just telling where those characters have been, allowing them to have a chance to be used again elsewhere. I didn?t miss Death?s Head though. So as I come to a conclusion, like this book has, I?m going to rate it a 3. I hope the team is used again whether it be a cameo or a new book, but I?m not going to count on it. If anything, I?m happy Brian finally has his wife back and they?ve both matured into more useful forms.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on July 28, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?

Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?

If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).

I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.


I'm with you as mind control it works as seduction power nope.  Sorry AA but everyone's sexual identity is not as fluid as you think. Just seems another excuse to wallow in perversion anyway.  God I hate modern comics way more than Benton does.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 28, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.

I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?

Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?

If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).

I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.


I'm with you as mind control it works as seduction power nope.  Sorry AA but everyone's sexual identity is not as fluid as you think. Just seems another excuse to wallow in perversion anyway.  God I hate modern comics way more than Benton does.

AA didn't claim "everyone's" sexual identity was in a state of fluidity. He made a very general statement. Also, it's not a seduction power, it's pheromones. He controls pheromones. Manipulating pheromones = manipulating behavior. Regardless, we don't know if he can make all men sleep with him and we don't know the exact sexual identities of the men he HAS slept with. Those are assumptions.

Also, let's keep in mind that Daken has hit on a lot of men now that haven't jumped into bed with him, so it's not that serious. His "PHEROMONE" control has been shown to do more than make men and women weak in the knees for him.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on July 28, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 28, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
I am so glad Prev got what I was saying.

While I respect your beliefs, I'd be lying if I didn't think GhostMachine's and steamteck's reaction were sort of homophobic. The "straight" men Daken has been shown to control are background characters so why there is this whole "no way" reaction seems to be fear. Are you emotionally invested in these straight men? Do you even care about them enough to even know their names? If not, you should really ask yourself why you are rejecting this whole notion other than some scared heterosexual reaction to a big bad homosexual.

Second, why is it a big deal if Daken can control men (whether straight, gay, bi-curious whatever). These men obviously don't have a choice in the matter anymore than a defile victim would. Would you declare the defile victim had some choice in the matter?

I just see this double standard for straight men which sort of annoys me. Starfox practically forces women every time but that's ok because he's straight and it is women he is manipulating? Moondragon rapes Thor but somehow she is still a considered hero? Is heterosexual defile ok and believable but not homosexual?

What if Starfox decided one day, "you know what I want an orgy with Cap, Tony, and Thor"? It would be in the realm of his power according to the Marvel Handbooks so why couldn't he? Would it be laughable? Would you boycott Marvel because of the defile or because your favorite heterosexual heroes are now gay? FYI, they wouldn't be anymore gay than a person would want to be raped.

Mentally or physically controlling someone for sex (defile) has nothing to do with sexuality and neither does Daken's power.

Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?

They smell roses.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on July 28, 2009, 06:31:33 PM
AA, my comments weren't meant to sound homophobic. Its just that I don't think it makes sense that pheromones could be used to seduce someone of the same sex who isn't bisexual or homosexual - no matter the gender of the one doing the seducing, because the mind would likely fight off the effects once they realize they're being manipulated by someone they'd never be inclined to be attracted to naturally. I could believe in mind control or Starfox's power being strong enough to pull it off, but I can't buy pheromones being able to do that. Sorry.

It doesn't matter if he uses the powers on background characters or not, because I believe psychology would overcome biology; with mind control or Starfox's pleasure center manipulation ability the brain is being directly manipulated, so I could buy those working, but pheromones work mainly on the senses, and someone would be able to fight that off much easier than they would the other powers.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 28, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?

Go ask Gambit.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on July 28, 2009, 06:50:25 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?

Go ask Gambit.

Daken farted on Gambit! I have to buy this issue!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 28, 2009, 06:51:14 PM
AA, my comments weren't meant to sound homophobic. Its just that I don't think it makes sense that pheromones could be used to seduce someone of the same sex who isn't bisexual or homosexual - no matter the gender of the one doing the seducing, because the mind would likely fight off the effects once they realize they're being manipulated by someone they'd never be inclined to be attracted to. Mind control, yes. Starfox's power, yes. But I can't buy pheromones being able to do that. Sorry.


The way I look at it is that Daken is affecting their "willpower." That's the whole point of pheromones in general, no? To make someone more susceptible to something while also affecting their moods and thinking. I don't think it necessarily means ANYONE would just go along with Daken if they had strong emotions against doing it, but if their will wasn't strong enough to resist his power, they'd probably lose out. Just look at the other examples of Daken's pheromone control, he made Thing more "susceptible" into giving into his rage, he messed with people's awareness, and he's made people feel calm around him when they probably shouldn't have. He's basically the king of manipulation. Why would there be a line drawn at "sex" when other characters have done so as well + more (Stacy X used it to further her sexual career all the time before she joined the X-men and probably after).

But still, I think you'd have a strong[er] point if he was manipulating someone ESTABLISHED into bedding him. If he was making Johnny (Torch) salivate over him or Bullseye, I'd question it a whole lot more than Mr. No-name, no major purpose. Why, you ask, because those characters have had their characters defined enough to have a strong inclination for women. Background character #298 who I know nothing about, not so much. Also, did anyone here have a problem when Longshot's power affected a male cop when his powers/DNA supposedly only work on members of the opposite sex? Wouldn't that be MUCH harder to believe than Daken releasing pheremones to attempt to get what he wants?

Anyway, I think this will be a much more interesting convo when Daniel Way (bleh) and Majorie (yay) get around to going more indepth with Daken and his sexual orientation and give us more examples of his pheromone control.

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At the 2009 San Diego Comic-Con International, Marjorie Liu commented that "[Daken] will do anyone and anything [to achieve his goals and he's] past that kind of identification. He's beyond it." Daniel Way added that Daken's sexuality will be addressed later on, but it's more about his personality. "He's no more homosexual than he is heterosexual. It's about control."

So, let's see how that goes before trying to "define" what he is and isn't doing to people of his gender. Of course, this means having faith in the writers actually addressing it... decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 12:03:25 AM
I think the control aspect Way mention echoed my whole point about rap(e) not being about sexuality. Sure I think Daken is disgusting for raping people with his powers (I question why he would have sex with that guy if he could just get what he needed and leave) but I do believe that if the comic is telling me he produces a pheromones that controls other people's emotions and perspective then I honestly could believe that if he tried hard enough he could control Johnny Storm into whatever he wanted (or at least Iceman :P). Do I believe such a thing would work on Wolverine or even Cyclops? No, because they are both use trained to control their mind. I've never read Johnny Storm getting psychic training from Reed. I think distinguishing between mental and physical control aren't so clear cut. However, lets say his powers are akin to getting really drunk and just going along with something (also a form of rap(e)) but I agree with you.

I think we can all agree this conversation is silly because these are fictional characters and in five years Daken will probably be dead.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on July 29, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
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in five years Daken will probably be dead

ugh...five years too long.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Xenolith on July 29, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
We call them "toots" in my household...you know...kid friendly.  :)  It's probably appropriate to be speaking of them in the Marvel thread.  :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
I am so glad Prev got what I was saying.

While I respect your beliefs, I'd be lying if I didn't think GhostMachine's and steamteck's reaction were sort of homophobic. The "straight" men Daken has been shown to control are background characters so why there is this whole "no way" reaction seems to be fear. Are you emotionally invested in these straight men? Do you even care about them enough to even know their names? If not, you should really ask yourself why you are rejecting this whole notion other than some scared heterosexual reaction to a big bad homosexual.

Second, why is it a big deal if Daken can control men (whether straight, gay, bi-curious whatever). These men obviously don't have a choice in the matter anymore than a defile victim would. Would you declare the defile victim had some choice in the matter?

I just see this double standard for straight men which sort of annoys me. Starfox practically forces women every time but that's ok because he's straight and it is women he is manipulating? Moondragon rapes Thor but somehow she is still a considered hero? Is heterosexual defile ok and believable but not homosexual?

Mentally or physically controlling someone for sex (defile) has nothing to do with sexuality and neither does Daken's power.


And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.

 I just think it doesn't make sense. real mind control . go for it. Pheromones, nope doesn't cut the mustard for me. Then again I never believed the Mandrills power should be as strong and overwhelming as it is anyway and he affects the opposite sex. However he's a monster so that ruins my suspense of disbelief in a very similar way. I've got no double standard here . I'm pretty consistent.

Actually I don't think Moondragon is a hero . She  a pretty hardcore villain to me from her actions. She got far far less than she deserved after that episode. I really haven't seen Starfox in action but if its like you describe, yep villainous behavior.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BentonGrey on July 29, 2009, 06:31:43 PM
This thread was pointed out to me by someone else, although I had been safely avoiding it 'till then.  I wasn't going to say anything, my views about the viability/appropriateness of subjects like this in comics being fairly well known, but I feel like AA's response deserves a comment.  I'm disgusted with this whole development, and not just because Daken is gay (I had no idea until I read this thread, and honestly, by this point he's just another name on the list).  To use AA's term, "defile" is never a source of entertainment, especially in four color world.  It is one of the most abominable acts one human being can perpetrate upon another, and I find the fact that I even need to say it has no place in a world of superheroics infinitely sad.  Do I find it more horrible that he is basically "defiling" straight men?  Yes, because, to me, that type of violation is more frightening for me personally than a woman taking advantage of me.  Either would be terrible, but the former has an extra dimension of horror.

I understand that the question of what exactly he is doing, if it actually consists of the type of control that has been posited, has yet to be completely answered, but the implication is enough to remind me that THESE are the kinds of things I dropped modern books to avoid.  I'm sorry for barging in here and bothering y'all with my opinions on books that I'm not going to read, but I thought that a rather important facet of this was being overlooked.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 29, 2009, 06:42:25 PM
No... no.

*sigh* He's not RAPING people. Everyone under Daken's pheromone control still has a sense of will. They don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to. That's an important fact several people in this thread (especially the one's that don't have a working knowledge of Daken) keep missing.

If Daken gets you under his pheromone control, the only thing he's doing is manipulating your emotions and your senses. He's getting you under his spell to the point where you're more likely to do something (I.E, more likely to find him attractive or more likely to give into your urges), it doesn't mean the person "charmed" is going to rip off their clothes and do the nasty on the floor.

To illustrate this point, I point to Cyber who was also charmed by Daken at one point during a fight. It worked on Cyber a little bit, but once he realized what was going on, he broke Daken's hold. If Cyber wanted to remain under that spell and indulge in his feelings of happiness (which Daken charmed him with), that would have been under his own accord.

So to summarize, Daken may be manipulating emotions, feelings, and what-have-you, but he's not forcing these people into bed. It bothers me that people are overlooking this fact when I've pointed out that not everyone is jumping his bones. Regardless, since today is Wednesday and new books came out for some parts of the world, I'd rather people stop dragging this discussion out and talk about something new.

In other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.

I just think it doesn't make sense. real mind control . go for it. Pheromones, nope doesn't cut the mustard for me. Then again I never believed the Mandrills power should be as strong and overwhelming as it is anyway and he affects the opposite sex. However he's a monster so that ruins my suspense of disbelief in a very similar way. I've got no double standard here . I'm pretty consistent.
But unaided flight and flexible organic steel (oxymoron btw) does spread it right? If you are championing this "pheremones don't work that way" idea, well neither does genetics but you probably read X-Men. Species with different genotypes can't breed but Shi'ars can mate and reproduce offspring with humans. Do you find everything that forces the reader to suspend disbelief as not cutting the mustard? Do you only read and enjoy comics that take place in reality? Again this is a comic character we are talking about real world mechanics do no apply.

Actually I don't think Moondragon is a hero . She  a pretty hardcore villain to me from her actions. She got far far less than she deserved after that episode. I really haven't seen Starfox in action but if its like you describe, yep villainous behavior.
As you should with any person who controls an individual for self-gain.

Prev, really? Where did you hear this Patriot news.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 29, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
It was in the IGN trailer I posted in the MUA2 thread. He was punching someone, iirc.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 29, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
I do think it's cool that Patriot is in MUA2, but that's not new footage, I've seen that shot in videos on Gametrailers months ago, during E3 I think.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on July 29, 2009, 07:58:18 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg

Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.

Ugh... Is that supposed to be attractive or sexy?  Who's the artist?  I can't remember the name I'm thinking of, but it looks like the kind of thing he'd draw.  Or at least I hope so... we don't need more than one terrible Marvel artist who can't actually draw.

Bulging he-man biceps NEVER look good on a woman.  (Maybe her power is grossing out people to death.  Or maybe it's the artist's power.)

I can understand torn leather, but I can't understand torn leather looking like THAT.  If you think about it, it's actually obscuring more of her figure than it reveals.

Is that supposed to be a sai in her right hand, or a trident?  A pitchfork would have been more believable with that red skin.  Somebody's got serious size issues.  And why, oh why, would any Hulk-derivative need to carry a gun?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 08:03:18 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.

I feel you're way too quick to jump to such conclusions and see things where they don't exist. Very common and easy to dismiss arguments as "homophobic" or "racist" etc and miss the point entirely by obsesseings on a connection that doesn't  really exist because it touches on a sensitive subject. I think  the pheromone power would would fail  to seduce truly lesbian women also. I won't believe a female power to seduce gay men with pheromones either. I just don't find it plausible. Because my suspension of disbelief runs different than your own is no reason to see to see issues really irrelevant to the point.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on July 29, 2009, 08:39:13 PM
Personally, I think the whole discussion of sexual acts in a comic book and arguments about homophobia/homophilia are out of place in a "PG-13" forum.  I would also say that the personal attacks that are starting to happen as a result of this "discussion" are contrary to the spirit of the forum rules if not the letter, in my personal opinion.

Quit it, please.  Please find something else to talk about or take the argument private.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 29, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
In other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!

Yep and Cable is in it, and Madrox, and Speedball Penance! They got some cool characters in the new game. Too bad most will be unplayable.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on July 29, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 29, 2009, 10:34:51 PM
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!

Cable was cool in Cable and Deadpool and Carey's X-Men.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.

I feel you're way too quick to jump to such conclusions and see things where they don't exist. Very common and easy to dismiss arguments as "homophobic" or "racist" etc and miss the point entirely by obsesseings on a connection that doesn't  really exist because it touches on a sensitive subject. I think  the pheromone power would would fail  to seduce truly lesbian women also. I won't believe a female power to seduce gay men with pheromones either. I just don't find it plausible. Because my suspension of disbelief runs different than your own is no reason to see to see issues really irrelevant to the point.

To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.

The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.

This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 29, 2009, 11:01:14 PM
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!

Cable was cool in Cable and Deadpool and Carey's X-Men.

Cable also walked a thin line between uber and non-uber during parts of that book... which is why he should have Jean's spot in MUA2. Yeah, I said it. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 11:04:53 PM

To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.

The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.

This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.

Your obvious assumptions aren't on target. I never addressed in the middle folks at all but didn't think I needed to. Of course it would work on them. You DO make enormous assumptions and post them  and then get offended when you feel the same is done to you. You can certainly decide where your own suspension of disbelief lies but I feel free to disagree. Equal with the darkness of modern comics to me is they've crossed that line where I can't suspend my disbelief  anymore.

This is getting us no where out of the enormous respect I have for you as an artist. I'll cede now and say I'm sorry I offended you and am sure you never meant  to be offensive either.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 30, 2009, 01:40:28 AM

To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.

The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.

This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.

Your obvious assumptions aren't on target. I never addressed in the middle folks at all but didn't think I needed to. Of course it would work on them. You DO make enormous assumptions and post them  and then get offended when you feel the same is done to you. You can certainly decide where your own suspension of disbelief lies but I feel free to disagree. Equal with the darkness of modern comics to me is they've crossed that line where I can't suspend my disbelief  anymore.

This is getting us no where out of the enormous respect I have for you as an artist. I'll cede now and say I'm sorry I offended you and am sure you never meant  to be offensive either.

I can assure you if you were a homosexual, I would have responded the same way. You seem to think this about about a sensitive subject when it is about a damn comic book. That was my whole point. You can dislike Daken because he uses people or even forces them to do things to people you dont agree with but to essentially say "I don't agree because that isn't how real science works" is laughable. That is what I have a problem with because I think we both know it isn't about his power or you would apply the same logic to all superpowers which you obviously dont.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 02:20:12 AM
annnnnnyway, Ultimatum 5 finally came out this week. Anyone read it and wanna give us a review on this [almost] year long storyline of epic proportions?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 30, 2009, 04:11:00 AM
I saw it at the shop but I didn't even think to look through it. I can't imagine it's good, anyway. I picked up Dark Reign: Young Avengers (I almost added "Runaways" to the title, but can you blame me?). It was ok, but not really a lot happened.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 30, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
annnnnnyway, Ultimatum 5 finally came out this week. Anyone read it and wanna give us a review on this [almost] year long storyline of epic proportions?

i picked it up in the shop and flicked through it and put it back, i felt dirty, from what i remember there was a lot fo deaths and the final page was moronic.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thalaw2 on July 30, 2009, 03:37:40 PM
Witchy poo and her brother scare me. 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
omgah, that... what the... I'll never be able to enjoy the Ultimate verse again regardless of Mark Millar's presence (and to be honest, he's soured a lot in my books since reading some of his mainstream work).

Not tagging this, but here is a death count list I found on CBR:

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Death Count:
Angel, Beast, Blob, Cannonball, Captain Britain and the European Initiative, Cipher, Cyclops, Daredevil, Dazzler, Detonator, Forge, Dr. Emma Frost, Hardrive, Juggernaut, Longshot, Lorelei, Madrox, Magneto, Nightcrawler, Polaris, Psylocke, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Dr. Franklin Storm, Dr. Stephen Strange, Sunspot, Syndicate, Thor, Toad, Doom, Wolverine, Prof. Charles Xavier

MIA:
Firestar, Havok, Spider-man

edit: I hear Spidey is still alive courtesy of USM: Requiem #2... so... eh
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 30, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
it' was dooms death that just made me wonder what the hell most of all.

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:banghead:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 04:21:41 PM
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UE, did Loeb ever expand on Rick Jones and the Watchers randomly appearing? I know I shouldn't expect that he did anything with his own continuity, but... I want to be somewhat optimistic... and did "lovely" Zarda reappear? No? Par the course.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on July 30, 2009, 05:19:57 PM
In other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!
Yep and Cable is in it, and Madrox, and Speedball Penance! They got some cool characters in the new game. Too bad most will be unplayable.
It needs the real Penance. Though they call her Hollow now.
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.
Ugh... Is that supposed to be attractive or sexy?  Who's the artist?  I can't remember the name I'm thinking of, but it looks like the kind of thing he'd draw.  Or at least I hope so... we don't need more than one terrible Marvel artist who can't actually draw.

Bulging he-man biceps NEVER look good on a woman.  (Maybe her power is grossing out people to death.  Or maybe it's the artist's power.)

I can understand torn leather, but I can't understand torn leather looking like THAT.  If you think about it, it's actually obscuring more of her figure than it reveals.

Is that supposed to be a sai in her right hand, or a trident?  A pitchfork would have been more believable with that red skin.  Somebody's got serious size issues.  And why, oh why, would any Hulk-derivative need to carry a gun?
we'll find out soon. In one of the writer commentary things it was mentioned that Shrulk's look was inspired by the Bride of Frankenstein.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on July 30, 2009, 06:11:43 PM
we'll find out soon. In one of the writer commentary things it was mentioned that Shrulk's look was inspired by the Bride of Frankenstein.

Any guesses on who she'll turn out to be?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Glitch Girl on July 30, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Squirrel Girl.

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What?

I'll be honest, I don't see "Bride of Frankenstein in that.  Lobo's Girlfriend, maybe, but not the Bride.  Did it say what aspect of the Bride they took?  I'm completely missing it otherwise.

(quickie link for image comparison) (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=bride%20of%20frankenstein&sa=N&tab=wi&um=1)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thalaw2 on July 30, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
OMG!  I'm gonna hurl!  Enough with this red hulk business already!  HULK is green! 

What's next?  Red money? In America? 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on July 30, 2009, 06:29:17 PM
Mostly the outfit and hair.

I don't really know enough to make a guess who she is.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
OMG!  I'm gonna hurl!  Enough with this red hulk business already!  HULK is green!  

What's next?  Red money? In America?  

Don't be silly. No way that'll happen! *pockets red money*
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She-hulk got a worse deal than Hulk ever did. Not only was her book canceled (again), but she's been replaced by derivatives twice in the same year only a few months apart and she's going off grid. Not only that, rumor is that she's in the lead for one of the Hulk's cast members "dying." Jen Walters, 2009 has not been good for you.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on July 30, 2009, 06:51:38 PM
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UE, did Loeb ever expand on Rick Jones and the Watchers randomly appearing? I know I shouldn't expect that he did anything with his own continuity, but... I want to be somewhat optimistic... and did "lovely" Zarda reappear? No? Par the course.

i didn't read it i only flicked through it
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on July 30, 2009, 11:43:51 PM
OMG!  I'm gonna hurl!  Enough with this red hulk business already!  HULK is green! 

What's next?  Red money? In America? 

Don't be silly. No way that'll happen! *pockets red money*
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She-hulk got a worse deal than Hulk ever did. Not only was her book canceled (again), but she's been replaced by derivatives twice in the same year only a few months apart and she's going off grid. Not only that, rumor is that she's in the lead for one of the Hulk's cast members "dying." Jen Walters, 2009 has not been good for you.

No way!? They better kill Doc Samson or something. Even Rick could kick the bucket and I'd be fine with it.

Anyone read, DR: Young Avengers 3 yet. If so can you explain to me what I just read?

Also what the heck is going on in X-Men Forever (I am the reason CC stays in business. I hate his writing but I end up buying at least a few issues of his comics)?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on July 31, 2009, 06:11:58 AM
X-men Forever #4:

I originally thought this book was tolerable especially since Claremont stopped doing his LOOOONG caption thing and the "telling + showing" nonsense that annoyed me in Exiles. However, from what I browsed of this issue, I'm kinda glad I didn't buy it because it's slowly heading into convoluted town. Apparently:

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Apparently a lot of this will be touched on in the next few issues, but... I can't help but have my doubts with Claremont. Hopefully it ends up better than I'm expecting it to.

DR: Young Avengers #3
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This book reads ok to me, but I think it has too many characters for a miniseries. 13 active characters + supporting? I don't think you can make that many characters interesting in only 23 pages of story. It's different in longer term stories because you can build it up over years, miniseries... not so much. However, I was impressed by some of the interactions and some of the positions the YA were put in... especially Vision's position. Though, in general, I like it when characters have to work out internal/psychological issues over bare-bone fighting, but hey, that's me. I'd rate the issue a 3 just to be in a safe zone.

Speaking of comics, why don't some of you guys mosey on over to this thread and read the Ultimate Trio (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=51061.msg694070#msg694070) script?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on July 31, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Oh Ultimatum, how awful you are. And I'll bet ya it was a top seller.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 01, 2009, 02:29:43 AM
Did anyone read any of Mark Millar's run on Fan4? How about Fan4 #569? Let me just say that I was very disappointed in his run (from the parts I read) and his final issue (which he and Hitch didn't even work on outside of outlines) was a major case of, "what the heck is this." It just doesn't mesh with anything that's going on at the moment. Another example of "this is what happens when you give someone too much space and don't 'edit'/'guide' them."

I think I would like this issue "a bit" more if it didn't also serve as a marriage issue, which also introduced its own set of problems.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 01, 2009, 04:48:48 AM
I especially hated that bit about the guys from the future.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Deaths Jester on August 01, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
What the 'ell?  Dark Reign: Young Avengers?  Who are the new team members supposed to be?  Man, Marvel has really screwed up lately.  Okay, that's all I'm saying...now I shall leave this alone...for now!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thalaw2 on August 03, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Since I'm back in the US for the next month I went to check out my local comic shop...I didn't know what Marvel title to buy....  I need to read this thread more carefully.  My fav marvel mag, The Incredible HULK, has turned to crap since I last read it.  I also picked up HULK #12.

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I didn't touch any of the X comics because it's too much of a mess for me to make any attempt at getting back into it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Deaths Jester on August 04, 2009, 02:02:59 PM
Rulk is actually Quesada!  I mean, who else believes he has that much energy to take on the Big G?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on August 04, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
Joe Quesada actually has me wishing Bill Jemas was still in charge of Marvel. I like Joe Q as an artist, and I guess he's okay as a writer, but as EIC, he sucks more than the suckiest suck who ever sucked at sucking.



Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 05, 2009, 11:49:14 PM
Captain America Reborn #2 came out this week. Anyone grab it and wanna review it? I, personally, thought it was much better than issue 1 and the whole, "Steve is lost in time," is much more explicitly stated this time around for those that doubted/questioned it. But you know, I have one minor problem with this arc, and it applies to Marvel and DC in general. I can't place when this takes place in comparison to Thunderbolts. If you're reading that story, you know Natasha is also active there, as well as being semi-active in New Avengers, which itself seems to be taking place in the past. I kinda miss the days when Marvel actively acknowledged continuity and would keep character appearances low, or at the very least, they would explain when everything was taking place.



Psylocke fans, all 3 of you, Kyle and Yost expand on the upcoming Psylocke mini. Apparently she's the ninja Jean now since she has her TP back + TK.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22418

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Psylocke always relies on her psi-knife instead of using other aspects of her psi-powers. Now that she's a telepath again as well as a telekinetic (not to mention her ninja skills), can we expect her to use her abilities in more creative ways?

YOST: In the upcoming ?Psylocke? miniseries, she?s going to be using her telepathy, her telekinesis, and two katana swords to get the job done. So you?re definitely going to see a wide range of abilities and use of those abilities coming up.

Some necrosha and other x-men news is there as well.

Also: http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/dark-avengersuncanny-x-men-exodus-first.html

How will the crossover between X-men/Dark Avengers end? Do you care?! What if I tell you it's an action heavy, melee battle? Still nothing? Well... I tried. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on August 06, 2009, 01:52:32 PM
Prev, I think you're the only Psylocke fan in the world. I'm pretty sure Yost is gonna ask you to write the forward for the TPB.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 06, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
AA likes her, so shut your FAT mouth and go back to perusing "Mayhem" by Tyrese. Also, it's foreword. OH SNAP! ^^
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on August 06, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
...so shut your FAT mouth and...

Are you calling my orifice obese? :mellow:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 06, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
...so shut your FAT mouth and...

Are you calling my orifice obese? :mellow:

maybe. Problem?



Ultimate Comics Spider-man #1 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3158&disp=table)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 07, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
In otherwords I was right. When redefining her new powerset they went with all of the above....

Oh well.

I like her anyways.

I'm really diggin the preview for Xmen vs Dark Avengers. Much butt kicking, and coming from some really unexpected characters.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 12, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Ultimate verse relaunches today, anyone gonna check it out? Also, Dark X-men will survive past this crossover in another mini-series and Paul Cornell will be writing it!

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22476

And guess who's returning to comic pages. Could it be... Nate Grey? Indeed it is.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 12, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
this sounds like it'll be amusing. especially if they have a reunion of the entire Summers family. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on August 12, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
I want Nate to either beat up the Sentry, or at least make him less of a tool (y'know, with his mind and stuff...)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on August 12, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on August 12, 2009, 09:30:08 PM
Have they fought yet?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on August 12, 2009, 09:51:31 PM
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death.  :thumbup:

Works for me.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 13, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death.  :thumbup:

With the way Sentry has been handled since WWH, I doubt Sentry could beat a fly unless he thought it'd please Norman. Of recent, he's had his butt kicked a lot, not by pure power, but by everyone out-thinking him, and this includes Hercules. :P

Have they fought yet?

Nope. Kinda surprising really.


I'll "try" to add some reviews here later.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on August 13, 2009, 02:47:58 AM
The Sentry really needs to be taken out of play for a good chunk of time - he needs to forget his powers again, or go off into space, or something, because all he is now is a plot device. 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 13, 2009, 05:54:34 AM
Ultimate verse relaunches today, anyone gonna check it out?

I picked up Ultimate Avengers today. Here's what happens:

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This issue was light on plot with not a lot happening storywise, but I thought it was a great read regardless. Miller returning to the team he did his best work on for Marvel is working out pretty well, as he's shown he's still able to get the characters right and spew out cool, witty, and funny lines. At least half of the issue is wham-bam action scene, like a big budget action movie sequence, and I found the art by Pacheco was up to the task of pulling off the cool visual moments. There was maybe a bit too much in terms of splash pages and big panels, but it works for Ultimates, and it's something you come to expect from the book. Cap continues to be a arrogant jerk (he goes out of his way to throw the bad guys out of the airborne chopper!) but he spouts the cool action lines like a pro.  The scene with Tony didn't add a lot to the plot, thought it does serve to explain why he's not there, but it's a very funny scene that's perfectly in character for the Ultimate Tony, who's basically pre-Civil War Tony, except without any sense of self-restraint or inhibition. And having Nick Fury back in the series feels very good (Pacheco passed the Samual L. Jackson test).

All in all, I really enjoyed the issue, and I'll definitely pick up the next one.  It gets a solid 4 on the Prev-O-Meter ™ (that's what we call it right? I think that's right.)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 13, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
AA likes her, so shut your FAT mouth and go back to perusing "Mayhem" by Tyrese. Also, it's foreword. OH SNAP! ^^

I especially love her drawn by the Dodson too bad she is being written by Fraction.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on August 13, 2009, 05:12:01 PM
I just read Ultimate Comics Spider-man #1 today:

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I wasn't terribly impressed here.  This is basically the same as the 'One Year Later' stunt DC pulled a while back, where time is jumped after a big event, there are a number of significant continuity changes, and the reader is introduced to events already in progress.  It's gimmicky, and has a lot less impact than it would if we just got to see these changes as they unfolded.

Also, I just don't see a lot of reason for Ultimate Spidey to exist any more.  At first, it was a way to have teenage, single Peter Parker while 616 Pete was married & older, and to offer a less convoluted continuity for new readers.  Now 616 Pete has been reset with Brand New Day, and the Ultimate line is as bogged down in continuity, I'm just not seeing the point.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 13, 2009, 05:31:02 PM
Also, I just don't see a lot of reason for Ultimate Spidey to exist any more.

Because Ultimate Spider-woman is better than You (not you personally just "You" generally.)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 13, 2009, 05:37:18 PM
why were gwen and peter making out? Also, yeah, I think Iceman, Kitty, and Torch are now officially part of Spidey's cast... though I have to wonder what happened to Liz/firestar since she wasn't killed. Also, i read the preview awhile back and I REALLY hope The Hood wasn't ultimized. He's one of the most annoying 616 villains around to me because Bendis won't stop using him and now he's in like 5 different books.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on August 13, 2009, 05:43:33 PM
I think the mysterious dormammu-looking guy is...

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 13, 2009, 05:49:02 PM
Zip, you could be correct. Unless Dormammu went through some sort of transformation after whatever happened to him in Ultimatum/Requiem, I don't think he'd be in fighting form right now. Anyway, I plan to review UXM: FC, Marvel Project, and some other random book today...

*sigh* That Prev guy is getting lazy in the reviewing area, isn't he?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 13, 2009, 09:53:39 PM
I read Ultimate Avengers and really enjoyed it. It's kinda hilarious. Also Pacheco has nice art.

Didn't read Ultimate Spider-Man but I like the idea of Kitty, Iceman and Human Torch being in the cast. Might pick up another trade soon.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 14, 2009, 12:56:44 AM
I think the mysterious dormammu-looking guy is...

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Ultimate Mysterio first appeared in the Ultimate Spider-Man annual #3. Based on a recent Ultimate Comics Spider-Man cover I saw he seems to still have the same design.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 15, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
Uncanny X-men: First Class #2:

Last issue focused on the lovable, blue elf, Nightcrawler as he dealt with the feelings of being a pure outcast unlike his teammates. While on a trip to Attilan with Colossus, Nightcrawler experiences a ritual that angers him to the point of action against the Inhumans. What happens next? Click the tag, yo:

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This issue had a weird dynamic to me. I appreciate Scott Gray giving the spotlight to Colossus and Nightcrawler, considering they don?t do much in regular continuity, but Colossus get less shine than Nightcrawler did in issue 1. With 6 issues to go in this mini-series, I thought Colossus would get a little more highlight in an issue that was supposed to be centered on him. Anyway, the X-men/Inhuman fight was decent, but I?m a little iffy on the art this time around. Sometimes it works, sometimes it looks odd. It was nice to see Jean finally rejoin the team, and her argument with Scott and the use of her powers hints at things to come (or gives more late foreshadowing to her Dark Phoenix storyline?). Overall, this sits at a 3 for me. Nothing special, but worth a browse.

Incredible Hercules #132:

Last issue involved the troublesome duo traveling to hell to save Hercules father, Zeus. While there, Cho met up with his parents and learned that his sister was still alive. This led to Cho splitting from Herc to go find his sibling, and Hercules being stuck with a teenaged amnesiac who was formerly his father. As of this issue, the book will now come out twice a month (for three months). Let the story begin!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origin.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=origin.jpg)


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Compared to the other issues, the humor in this one is a little more subdued. It?s a fairly good read and I think the art fit very well (in comparison to an issue or two ago). There?s a small change in tone with the absence of Amadeus, but I think kid Zeus brings an adequate element to the scene with his arrogance and ignorance. Sadly, I don?t have much to say about this issue other than I LOVED the recap page and I think it might have introduced too many things in this issue alone. Still, I give it a 3.5 out of 5.

The Marvels Project #1:

Here?s the latest project by Ed Brubaker. What is it, you ask? Well, Brubaker attempts to flesh out and explain the creation of the marvel universe. Will he succeed? Let?s give it a looksie.

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This was an awesome read, especially if you have an interest in the golden age/Timely comics. I loved seeing Angel again, and it intrigues me that Ed was able to connect his story to both the original Human Torch and Two Gun Kid. The art is also spot on for a project like this, and I don?t have any complaints about it at all. Despite the ?retcon? nature of it all, I am truly interested to see where Brubaker takes this story and how many characters he can tie together. If you?re interested in the creation of the Marvel-verse at all, I recommend this to you. 4.5 out of 5. Is this my highest score yet? I think so? wow.


Upcoming series:

S.W.O.R.D: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22465 featuring Agent Brand, Beast, and Lockheed.

I'll perhaps update this post with another review later. Doubt it. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 16, 2009, 03:21:06 AM
Ii so need the Hercules one. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 20, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
X-men Legacy #227:

Previously in X-men Legacy, Rogue, Gambit, and Danger arrived in San Fran to help Cyclops with his plans to take down the Dark Avengers. During the course of all of this, Rogue drained Ares and managed to siphon a bit of his strength. Meanwhile, Gambit meets up with two characters he doesn?t know who were commissioned by Cyclops. Does ?Ariel? ring a bell to any of you?

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Maybe I?ve never noticed it before, but I like Mindee?s costume. White looks good on her. Podmark! Also, I find it vaguely intriguing that writers (Fraction and Carey) are giving the three-in-one time to shine on their own. The Stepford thing was getting old, but none of them seems particularly cold anymore. Seems a bit unnatural in the growth, but I guess they?re ignoring that Phoenix mini. I can live with that. Onto the actual content of this story, Ariel and her companion didn?t add very much content to the issue and I question their inclusion. It was nice seeing Rogue trying to help Trance overcome her difficulties, but I think that development was kinda sidestepped by the addition of Karla in the scene. It wasn?t bad, but it wasn?t as good as I felt it could have been. Oddly enough, I really like the dynamic of Rogue, Gambit, and Danger. The only thing missing? Iceman. Seriously, I think Iceman would fit in better with this cast than being wallpaper over in Uncanny. Can we make that happen? Anyway, I rate it a 3. The book is still sitting on that middle line and didn?t really gain anything from or benefit Utopia in any form. It was just there. I hope that the annual and the issue that follows it finally get Rogue and her cast on their way.

Wolverine: Weapon X #4:

What happened in the last Weapon X? Well, Wolverine implanted a tracking device in one of the Adamantium men/Strikeforce X members and found it attached to a tree with the eye he hid it behind. Meanwhile, Alita Gardner (reporter) found out the truth about the Blackguard, and because of her knowledge, she barely escaped death thanks to the help of Maverick.

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This issue had very little plot development and a lot of fighting. It?s a violent issue, but not as violent as Invincible was an issue or two ago. I really don?t have much to say about it really, as nothing particularly stood out to me. I do find a specific ability an adamantium man portrayed pretty convenient, but other than that, it was just? whatever. 3 out of 5.


Quick review

ASM #603 (3.5):

I read the third issue of the current Spider-man arc, and I must say Van Lente has really impressed me. I never thought I?d think the Chameleon was any sort of bad-arse, but this arc really made me see him differently. Not only did he cause a lot of chaos in Pete?s life in one whole day, but also he made strong hints that MJ just might?ve been the perfect woman for Spidey all along. Maybe that doesn?t seem like a big deal to most, but I grew very tired of reading reviews and issues of BND where Gwen would be brought up almost non-stop. It?s more of a ?please stop rubbing this bland blonde girl in the reader?s faces if she?s not being used in a significant way? feeling than anything. Nice way to switch it up even though Gwennie still found her way into the book.

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Hulk 14 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3236&disp=table
     --looks painful.

Dark Avengers 8 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3234&disp=table
     --You guys reading this crossover need to let us guys who aren?t know if it?s going well. :P. Also, did Fraction just pull a Jason Aaron and have the panels cover a bunch of days?  Let us hope his story benefits from it like Aaron?s two part Wolverine story did.

Incredible Herc 134 wordless preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3230&disp=table
     --If you?re not picking up this book yet, you?re doing a disservice to your funny bone.

So, anymore reviews? X-factor? Punisher Noir? Mighty Avengers guest starring Young Avengers? Anything? :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 21, 2009, 12:57:36 AM
I'm really starting to wonder just how Dead Gwen will be at year's end....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 21, 2009, 04:25:15 PM

Upcoming series:

S.W.O.R.D: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22465 featuring Agent Brand, Beast, and Lockheed.

I'll perhaps update this post with another review later. Doubt it. :P


M.I.B. wannabees...Ugh.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 21, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
Pod read stuff (Legacy, X-Factor, ASM, Mighty) all were decent, liked Legacy the best. Mighty needs a new artist badly.

Since when has Gwen been brought up in BND? I have every issue and the only time I can remember her being mentioned is well this week's issue and that made prefect sense. Oh and there was a grave scene in American Son but that's just to set up the old Osborn/Parker fued. I really don't see Gwen coming back anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 21, 2009, 09:18:46 PM
Since when has Gwen been brought up in BND? I have every issue and the only time I can remember her being mentioned is well this week's issue and that made prefect sense. Oh and there was a grave scene in American Son but that's just to set up the old Osborn/Parker fued. I really don't see Gwen coming back anytime soon.

Maybe you blocked it out, Pod. I remember her being mentioned in American Son (a few times, iirc), current issue, Character Assassination, and other indirect references to her (I specifically remember him bringing her up when Lily was hitting on him hardcore and I certainly remember "Stacy" being written on an object in the actual art of one comic, can't remember which...). So yeah, she's been mentioned or hinted at a lot. That's not even counting the "status quo" pic which was at the start of BND. Of course, I can admit that my "stop trying to shove blonde girl down my throat!" attitude also stems from the fact she's been all over the place in some form whether it be USM or Spider-girl with the Gwen look-alike.

X-force #18 preview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3261&disp=table
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 21, 2009, 11:50:27 PM
hmm.. no mutants died. YAY!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 24, 2009, 03:43:03 AM
Yeah I don't honestly remember every mention, but Spider-Man books always mention her every so often. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me expect a return.

JMS did want to bring back Gwen as part of OMD. Quesada and co. decided to go with Harry instead. I think they made the right choice.

I certainly remember "Stacy" being written on an object in the actual art of one comic, can't remember which...)

There was a 'G. Stacey' written on a tube containing a male body in Osborn's lab during American Son. I took it to be Gabriel, Gwen and Norman's son.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 27, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
New week, new comics. No long reviews today because I've other, more important things to do rather than spoil you all with sumviews. So there!

X-force #18 (3.5):

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Dark X-men #3 (3):

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New Mutants #4 (3.5)

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Anymore reviews? Hulk 14, Incredible Herc, Incredible Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Deadpool? Anything?!


Torch #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3289&disp=table) - I'm vaguely interested in this... though I think it'd be odd to have the original Torch running around. Imagine... Two (or Three) Human Torch type characters... who does he think he is? Wolverine (Emma or Deadpool)? Pfft.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 27, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Podmark read some comics.

X-Force
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You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5

Avengers: The Initiative
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This was a decent issue. I'd have rather focused on the regular characters in the first half but for one issue it was ok. I like Rafa Sandoval's art but he's got a lot of room to improve, particularly with Trauma - who I actually rate Initiative artists on their version of him. 3/5

New Mutants
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Yay this arc is finally over. I really liked the first issue but the last 3 were too isolated it was all Legion and I didn't find it that interesting. This issue was decent though, the fight was pretty cool and the Sam/Dani setup should be interesting, and Scott's line at the end was prefect. Next issue we'll hopefully be back to San Fran (or wherever the X-Men will be living) so the stories can touch on more things. Art's ok but there were some rough spots. 3/4

Guardians of the Galaxy
If you're a Guardians reader I suggest you read the issue instead of checking the spoilers first
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I really liked this issue, the Groot scene is the greatest thing ever. I like Walker's art save for a couple characters. 5/5


Nova
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Good issue, nice fight, but probably too easy. I'm very happy with the new status quo except that Quasar left. Good art. 4/5

Also read Flash: Rebirth, which I liked, but that's not for this thread.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 27, 2009, 07:26:48 PM
Pod's reviews somehow reminded me that I checked out Wolverine Origins #39. No major spoilers, but Romulus FINALLY appears (underwhelming... very). Also, two of Wolverine's villains "die."

Pod, your complaint about X-force's splash pages made me chuckle... and then I remembered the several pointless, one word splash pages in Wolverine Origins and went... "wow."


Incredible Hulk 601 (4):

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Of note: Some of the 8 smartest people in the Marvel World in no particular order
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 27, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
Don't forget Doom! His latest feat of genius was something even I didn't think Doom was capable of.
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 28, 2009, 03:21:37 AM
ugh, marhawk... why did you have to recap something I had been valiantly trying to forget. I didn't mention him because he wasn't in the issue in question, which only had those heroes that attempted to help Banner. I didn't even mention Tony. :P.

Otherwise, I'd have included Doom and the "6th smartest man in the world" from Incredible Herc. ^^. Anyway, since the FF timeline is sooooo wonky right now, I doubt that story will change much unless Hickman continues with it. I'm pretty sure Millar's run is Pre-Dark Reign... or at least I hope it is.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on August 28, 2009, 07:15:28 AM
Podmark read some comics.

X-Force
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You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5

Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 28, 2009, 03:11:46 PM
As weird as this may be I like Daken and I love Laura and through them I enjoy Logan again which is odd because I haven't liked him since I was like 6.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 28, 2009, 03:24:27 PM
Podmark read some comics.

X-Force
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You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5
Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
I think Aunt would be more appropriate.

@Prev: I only read it yesterday and I wanna forget it already. :p
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 28, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Podmark read some comics.

X-Force
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5

Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"

Didn't Laura and Daken briefly meet in Dark Avengers (Fraction) this week? Daken probably wouldn't care about her unless they use it to give him another "I hate daddy" issue. If that were the case... I hate to see how Logan's other son would act. Yes, Logan has another son (Erista) he doesn't know about.

X-men: Girls on the Run by Chris Claremont (http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/x-men-gals-on-run-by-claremont-manara.html) - Should I be scared by such an advent or amused?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 28, 2009, 05:52:04 PM
Podmark read some comics.

X-Force
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You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5

Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"

Didn't Laura and Daken briefly meet in Dark Avengers (Fraction) this week? Daken probably wouldn't care about her unless they use it to give him another "I hate daddy" issue. If that were the case... I hate to see how Logan's other son would act. Yes, Logan has another son (Erista) he doesn't know about.

X-men: Girls on the Run by Chris Claremont (http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/x-men-gals-on-run-by-claremont-manara.html) - Should I be scared by such an advent or amused?

Erista only counts if Colossus' kid (Peter) counts.

Wait weren't they all killed off with the mutates?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 28, 2009, 11:43:04 PM
I don't think so....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on August 29, 2009, 12:14:17 AM
I count Colossus's child!

*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*

And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?

Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that downloaded Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=origins.jpg)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on August 29, 2009, 07:23:59 AM
I count Colossus's child!

*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*

And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?

Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=origins.jpg)

Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 29, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
Wolverine considers X-23 his sister. At least that's how he introduced her to the other kids in New X-Men.

Wolvie has 2 sons, Daken and Erista, and an adopted girl who I think is Japanese.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on August 29, 2009, 09:11:50 PM
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on August 29, 2009, 09:23:08 PM
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories

I'm waiting to buy the Utopia story either as a trade or on sale at my shop. What I've seen and heard it seems decent.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 30, 2009, 02:06:05 PM
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories

Share, share TUE!

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 30, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
Here's a spoilerific summary: http://uncannyxmen.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6224
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ajax on August 31, 2009, 03:55:32 AM
I count Colossus's child!

*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*

And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?

Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=origins.jpg)

Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.

Family counseling you say? Someone they can't hack apart you say? Look no further Deadpool merc with a coach is here!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: NeoDarke on August 31, 2009, 06:56:01 AM
I count Colossus's child!

*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*

And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?

Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=origins.jpg)

Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.

Family counseling you say? Someone they can't hack apart you say? Look no further Deadpool merc with a coach is here!
No, sadly, I believe Daken can hurt the Merc with the Mouth now. :( Nice try though, gold star. :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 31, 2009, 12:47:28 PM
Here's a spoilerific summary: http://uncannyxmen.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6224

Thank you, Marhawkman....That website banner made me very sad, though....I miss Alpha Flight soooooooooo bad.

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 31, 2009, 12:49:48 PM
Ugh...

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Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on August 31, 2009, 09:31:13 PM
Yeah, Pointer seems to have gone completely insane.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 02, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
New week, new comics, new reviews. Who's up first? If I do review something this week (doubtful), it'll be the final issue of Exiles...

*tear*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 04, 2009, 06:32:43 AM
Exiles #6: The Finale (3)

I really don't have an opening for this review because what is there to really say about a book that was only given 6 issues to shine after a horrible 30 (plus) issue + mini Claremont run? Not much, right? Well, last issue, the team successfully completed their mission and decided to go back to the Earth of their first mission and really fix it. How well does that go, you ask? Click the looooong spoiler on this Mega issue finale!

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Ummm... I don't know what to say about this book. It didn't have enough issues to come to a proper ending, but I liked seeing Heather and Nocturne again. I wish Tbird was in the book, but at least they mentioned him. I don't know how I feel about the ending to the Claremont Exiles, and I'm still waiting on someone to explain Psylocke's departure more clearly but whatever. I give Jeff props for attempting to explain a lot of stuff in this issue, but I'm sure if I were to think about some of it for more than a moment, it'd cave in on itself. I'm so misplaced on this issue because on one hand, it completed everything it could while giving us A LOT of explanation, but on the other, parts of it felt rushed or convoluted. The info dump section, which was the last half of the book, was a bit boring and edged on the side of difficult to read, but can that really be blamed on Jeff? I could probably spend more time on jumping back and forth on this issue, but I think I'll just settle on giving this book a 3. It has the humor and style of the origianl 5 issues + some twists and turns, and a whole lot of data dumpage. Also, a character is revealed to be gay, which I find funny, because like the Scott/Jean/Emma section of the book, it too was an allusion to a Morrison storyline. Did I just spoil who it was in the non-spoiler section? Oh well.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 05, 2009, 11:04:20 PM
*implodes* Urg.... >_< oookay... not a good way to end it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 11, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Guess who's coming back in Necrosha (event) gang... could it be... 616 Blink? Yes, it is.

*sigh*

It's... too soon. AOA Blink just left us again... *disappears via shadows... attacks Canadia*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 11, 2009, 09:50:28 PM
But this isn't AoA Blink.  This is a different person who is probably a bit less.... nice.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 11, 2009, 10:14:07 PM
I did differentiate between them. If I had a choice between Blinks, I want the one I love... AOA! 616 Blink is actually an old character that wasn't around long enough for many to people to get attached to her (she sacrificed herself for her friends). So, I think it'll be interesting to see how C&C write her in contrast to AoA Blink.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 11, 2009, 10:16:53 PM
I did differentiate between them. If I had a choice between Blinks, I want the one I love... AOA! 616 Blink is actually an old character that wasn't around long enough for many to people to get attached to her (she sacrificed herself for her friends). So, I think it'll be interesting to see how C&C write her in contrast to AoA Blink.

I agree. The only Blink I know and love is AOA and frankly 616 Blink (who I suspected never died) looks like a skanky thrall.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 12, 2009, 12:54:47 AM
Guess who's getting a New Avenger spinoff title written by Rick Remender according to Wizard Magazine?

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This news does nothing for me, but I figured someone might be interested. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on September 12, 2009, 12:57:22 AM
Someone like me. I already added this to my pull.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 12, 2009, 04:15:10 AM
Craig Kyle and Chris Yost X-force interview:

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 12, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
After reading that I wish they were in control of all the X-titles together.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on September 12, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
i'm surprised no one is talking about the end of the new thunderbolts

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 12, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
Hehe... They're certainly good at what they do.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 12, 2009, 08:17:39 PM
i'm surprised no one is talking about the end of the new thunderbolts

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more than likely.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 12, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Guess who's coming back in Necrosha (event) gang... could it be... 616 Blink? Yes, it is.

*sigh*

It's... too soon. AOA Blink just left us again... *disappears via shadows... attacks Canadia*

Bah we've known this since back before Messiah War. People need to look closely at the art...and know her costume...and make the logic jump that's it's 616 Blink instead of AoA Blink...All of which I did.

*Attacks Previsionary with 1000 super missiles*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 13, 2009, 06:03:23 AM
*Attacks Previsionary with 1000 super missiles*

*joins in the festivities*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 13, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
Anyone ever hear about this? (http://www.comicvine.com/news/can-the-x-men-survive-the-return-of-cable/139351/)

"Starting in November, things won't be the same for the X-Men.  Marvel has stated that Cable and Hope will complete their journey home.  What will their return mean for the rest of mutantkind?
Their story, Cable: The Long Way Home will run as interconnected short stories (appearing as bonus content) in Psylocke #1, Dark X-Men #1, X-Men Legacy #230 and X-Force #22.  This is said to be "the most shocking change to the X-Men you can imagine."  Will Hope save or damn mutantkind?"

Was at comicvine looking up pics of X-Men and saw this news post, but this is the first I've heard of it. Wondering if it's real.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 13, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
I think Bishop finally realizes the truth and kills himself.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 13, 2009, 06:21:10 PM
I think Bishop finally realizes the truth and kills himself.

I dont think that is going to happen.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 13, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
Ok I confirmed it. (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9494.Will_The_X-Men_Survive_Cable~apos~s_Return%3F)

Seems odd to me, shouldn't this be covered in Cable? What have they cancelled it? Anyway I'll get two parts of it at least.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 17, 2009, 02:39:58 AM
I got the X-Men Legacy Annual today. I guess I should give some Spoiler:
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This was a great issue. Fast moving but with lots of the nice character work I expect from Mike Carey especially with Indra and Bling two characters who were pretty spare with personality. And I know next to nothing about Emplate but the issue made him out as a credible threat. This was more of a X-Men issue than a Rogue issue. Notably neither Beast nor the New Mutants appeared but that might mean nothing. The Gambit development really intrigues me. The only thing I wasn't huge on was the main artist Daniel Acuna, not a fan of his - but for the most part it was bad and it has it's own style that I kinda like. I give this a 4.5/5.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 17, 2009, 02:59:54 AM
Thanks for the sumview, Pod! I'm burnt out/busy, so I won't be doing any for awhile. I'm glad Emplate is back and I HOPE Carey gets a chance to write Monet (not to knock PAD, but he writes her as a 30 year old woman and she's 22 at most) and maybe Jubilee. In fact, with the return of Emplate, I hope her sister(s), Penance, return as well because they both + Emplate basically disappeared after GenX.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 17, 2009, 03:02:34 AM
It'd be cool but honestly I'm not expecting to see Monet or her sisters. But who knows, I never thought I'd see Black Gambit again and he's in MUA2 :blink:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 17, 2009, 05:50:42 AM
I'm finally getting around to reading comics from last week (the horror, I know) and I honestly love the Herc recap pages:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_thorislame.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=thorislame.jpg)

If you guys aren't picking up or trading this book, you should really consider it. And Marvel should consider paying me because I pimp out their books (this one in particular) more than they do. Jerks. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on September 17, 2009, 10:58:59 PM
And the end with Thor in Hercules' skirt/sash outfit was pretty hilarious too.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 18, 2009, 01:03:04 AM
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by that.  but it does explain how Remy went back to his normal self so quickly.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 18, 2009, 03:46:46 AM
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by that.  but it does explain how Remy went back to his normal self so quickly.

Yeah I'm kinda happy that Carey decided to follow up on it. The original story may have been less than good but I think Carey can do something worthwhile with it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 18, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Anyone read the thor annual and wanna spill some deets? Calling AA! :P
Title: The Marvel Thread - YA appetizers? No, I want the full meal.
Post by: Previsionary on September 20, 2009, 05:40:43 PM
I can't keep the thread alive myself, gang! Discuss! Bicker! Destroy each other with missiles! Verbally attack Canadians for being Canadian! It's the only way to survive.

Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.

Surprisingly, Marvel is actually trying to show a bit of respect towards the writer that basically created, advanced, and made these little tykes likable. However, as we all know, that came at a price. These kids aren't advancing in any way, shape, or form; we're not getting new outlooks on them; and the team has basically stagnated because no writer has been allowed to really shake things up with them. These kids are cameo and mini-book fillers, and I really think it's hurting them in the long run because eventually, Marvel will be forced to make a decision on the latest crop of teens. Will they allow them to just be cameo fillers until Allen returns (whenever that may be), will they slowly fade into the background never to be seen except for the occasional panel appearance, or will Marvel allow a writer or two to take over their evolution and get them kicking again?

Ultimately, Marvel, for once, is trying to appease the fans as well as Allan by giving us these mini, and pointless, appearances. Unfortunately, I think all it's doing, especially as of late, is making people want the real thing because the minis just aren't appetizing any more. We want the full meal now, and if we can't have that... can we PLEASE have something that's a little more filling to hold us over?

Also, note to Dan, please cut back on the [lackluster] storylines in Mighty Avengers. Thanks. Oh, and Jocasta and Hank. No. Let it go. Thanks again.
-------

Oh, and the Thor Annual was "Ok" at best. Nothing major, nothing earth shattering... just a story about Thor regaining his confidence after being exiled. It was actually a pretty poor showing for Milligan, i think, if only because it was so bland... especially for an annual issue.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread - YA appetizers? No, I want the full meal.
Post by: Podmark on September 20, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.

Yeah I think most YA fans know this already. Good news is that Heinberg's story is scheduled for 2010 so if things actually go as planned the YA will finally be allowed to evolve.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread - YA appetizers? No, I want the full meal.
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 20, 2009, 06:07:09 PM
Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.

Yeah I think most YA fans know this already. Good news is that Heinberg's story is scheduled for 2010 so if things actually go as planned the YA will finally be allowed to evolve.

Yeah I hear Jim Cheung is actually working on the project now - hence new art from him in the last few months.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 20, 2009, 07:31:13 PM
You want reviews! You got 'em mister!

First up, Dark Avengers #9:

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I liked the issue, it added a lot more to Ares' character and it intertwined with Secret Warriors nicely giving some background on Phobos and why he's with Fury. Also, the small airtime that the other "Avengers" received were very entertaining.

Prev-O-Meter Rating: 4 out of 5

I'll add some more throughout the day...maybe.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 21, 2009, 01:33:16 AM
Yeah, even disregarding the fact that it's filler, I've found the mini to be incredibly meh. It's a shame, because Cornell's Vision issue of the YA Presents mini was really good and created a new status quo for the Vision and Statue (them being an actual couple, and Vision having a human identity named "Jonas"). What made this neat was Heinberg said in a chat with some fans was that there would be a Cassie/Vision/Iron Lad love triangle in his book. Heinberg was just starting to hint at the Cassie/Vision relationship in the third arc of the YA ongoing, so apparently Marvel was willing to actually do things with the characters at the time. But at the moment they apparently don't want to do anything with the characters at the moment. At least the Dark Reign mini makes references to continuity by mentioning that Speed was in jail; something that didn't really come up in the other minis ect.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on September 21, 2009, 12:21:37 PM
I'm finally getting around to reading comics from last week (the horror, I know) and I honestly love the Herc recap pages:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_thorislame.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=thorislame.jpg)

If you guys aren't picking up or trading this book, you should really consider it. And Marvel should consider paying me because I pimp out their books (this one in particular) more than they do. Jerks. :P

I am actually loving Incredible Hercules...I started collecting, when Snowbird appeared during Sacred Invasion(Because I'm a big Alpha Flight fan) and I haven't got every issue after that (I also find Amadeus annoying as hell and to me, he comes across as a horrible "Mary Sue" character)...I did pick up some of the latest Thercules issues, though...It's a fun read.

Dana
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 21, 2009, 03:50:14 PM
Gary Stu*. He's not a female!

I tolerate Amadeus much better now than I did when he was introduced ages ago. I think his friendship with Herc (which started with the "Renegades" team in WWH) really helped his character to progress. I don't think he's Gary Stuish at all because he has way too many flaws that others have pointed out to be put in that category. He's arrogant, emotional, and slightly reckless in his actions. He always thinks he's right, and he's not above hurting people to get what he wants, buuuuut the characters have pointed this out to him. To really be a Mary Sue/Gary Stu character, people would have to ignore his vices and Amadeus would have to get everything he went after.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: The Hitman on September 23, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
Evengers Assemble!

Clicky Clicky (http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/23848.htm/)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 23, 2009, 02:51:55 PM
Evengers Assemble!

Clicky Clicky (http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/23848.htm/)

When I saw the term Evengers, I was like, "wait... did my Exiles team become canon and they didn't notify me? Those..."

Anyway, I figured that GotG story would branch out and pretty much take over for awhile... might lead into another meh space event.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on September 24, 2009, 03:44:33 AM
Some reviews by me. No spoilers because I'm lazy.

Avengers: The Initiative 28:
Loved this isssue. All kinds of stuff happened, most of it unexpected but not out of nowhere. Lots of New Warriors/Avengers Resistance stuff (Pod loves him the New Warriors). Art is a little hit and miss but overall it came together.
4.5/5 points off for the art.
On a side note I so miss Stefano Caselli. Secret Warriors fans better appreciate what they've got. And artists need to learn to draw Trauma better, he's too cool to not be drawn well.

And on the other side of the scale:
Guardians of the Galaxy 18(? not sure of number)
This issue is spent entirely in the future with the original (future) Guardians and Star-Lord team. There's a twist that I didn't care for and Wes Craig's art isn't working for me here. Sad because I loved the last issue. Kang's up next I think which
2/5


Also Pod is getting excited for Necrosha. To kill time I will resurrect an army of Canadian zombies and attack Previsionary. Brains and nachos for all!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 24, 2009, 07:46:19 AM
Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.

Remember when I said that? Finally read X-men: The confession... it must be nice to have every adversity in Emma and Scott's relationship solved with no issues whatsoever in one single issue 23 pages in length. I guess I wanted more. I wanted this secret thing to play out more and to affect the characters in a visual way... to change their dynamic more-so than it ever did. It was a nice setup with a lot of potential for that soap opera drama the X-men are known for, and they just let it fall flat. So disappointing to me. It's disturbing that they have Emma and Scott on the same page so very often when Jean (who people consider boring thanks to the 90s tas and select comic storylines) and Scott had more up and downs throughout their 20+ year relationship from the very beginning. I just don't see the depth of Emma and Scott because no one will infuse them with it. Again, disappointing.

If I HAD to rate this issue, it'd be a 1.5... 2 if I was in a particular giving mood. There's no reason for any writer to keep using Fraction's recipe for Emma and Cyclops, and it really hurts me that C&C wrote this issue. This is probably the worse thing I've read from them since... Chris's midquel filler space adventure (issue 4) featuring the space x-men and vulcan. I expected so much more... not a one-shot that was useless in the overall scheme of things.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on September 24, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
Also Pod is getting excited for Necrosha. To kill time I will resurrect an army of Canadian zombies and attack Previsionary. Brains and nachos for all!
Don't forget to dunk the zombies that survive in the fountain of youth. :p
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on September 25, 2009, 04:46:46 PM
Anyone else completely underwhelmed by the conclusion of 'Old Man Logan?'   Yay, a giant-sized, fairly pointless fight scene.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 25, 2009, 07:20:36 PM
I thought it was awesome, mostly because of the art and the fact that I don't put my expectation levels for Wolverine stories very high. Just some highly detailed hack and slash action. The ending left me wanting Millar to continue this tale. I doubt he will though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on September 26, 2009, 06:34:57 AM
Was just about to post something on it. Seriously, what did you expect was going to happen? Logan sits down and has a beer with Banner? I thought it was pretty good. Fun action packed story that reminded me of Clint Eastwood's nameless gunfighter.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on September 26, 2009, 07:27:01 AM
Factor in some things and you can understand his and many others disappointment:

1. This book was uber delayed. Was the final issue worth all that wait? Doesn't seem like it.

2. I assume not everyone just wants a fight for an ending. Funny that. People need to realize that Wolverine isn't just a hack 'n slash character 24/7. Just use "Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk #6" as an example of this. Sure it had hacking, but it also tried to enforce themes and make Wolvie (and Hulk) seem human-esque.

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3. General question: Millar gets away with some pretty off-the-wall ideas (and suffers from continuity problems from time to time). Why isn't he as bashed as Loeb? Is it because his writing ability is much better? I mean, I can just imagine all the enmity people would harbor for Loeb if he had wrote this series (and this issue in particular), so I find it a bit odd.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 26, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
I thought it was a cool idea. But because we live in a "made for TPB" era I thought 2 issues in the middle were just filler. To me this should have been a 3-issue + the over-sized special.

One of the other things that makes it good is the art. Steve McNiven is one of those artists whose art takes precedents over writing from time to time. This last issue was about vengeance, and he pretty much told the tale on his own.



Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on September 26, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Found these preview pics for Strange Tales #2 on newsarama, they made me chuckle on the inside.
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/StrangeTales_02_Preview1.jpg)(http://i.newsarama.com/images/StrangeTales_02_Preview2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Midnite on October 01, 2009, 02:57:42 AM
I just finished reading Vengeance of the Moon Knight issue 1. Did anyone notice how the costume and bike had a heavy influence of The Dark Knight?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on October 02, 2009, 03:29:42 PM
so marvel zombie has finished again and the way this one ended seems to be it for the series(yeah right)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


4/5 for the issue 3.5/5 for the series the weekly release helped it as you didn't get board as quickly in 5 weeks as you did in 5 months
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 02, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
Thunderbolts #136 ? ?A Tale of too Many Conveniences? (2):

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Wolverine: Weapon X #5 ? ?How Water is Dangerous to Weapon X? (4):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-------------

Also, a spider-man review would occupy this space, but I just didn't have the energy to review it. However, the (sub-) title for the review would probably be "ASM #607 -- "How many sex references can we make in a 3 month period?" or "How to reduce a cat to a one track playmate."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on October 02, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
agreed i read the new spidey with one half thinking wow black cat is a tramp, and the other half think peter parker has no right to moan about girlfriend troubles
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 12, 2009, 04:58:21 AM
So my comic shop had a half-off sale this week and I picked up the Utopia story arc. I liked it, it's really good Cyclops story I think, and I'm a fan of the X-Men moving to an island. Also to my surprise I actually like Namor as an X-Men. It's the context really, having a King on your team when you start up your own mutant nation just works. Plus Cyclops, Emma, Namor, Charles, Magneto and Storm in the same room has just got to be good.

I give the complete story a 4/5

Also found this on the CBR board:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/SecondComing.jpg)
Presumably it's for the Messiah story conclusion crossover.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 12, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
Are they finally going to reveal her to be Jean Grey?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 12, 2009, 04:46:32 PM
Are they finally going to reveal her to be Jean Grey?

Please we're still 5 years away from that at least.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on October 12, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
Is there anyone who thinks she's not Jean Grey at this point?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 12, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
I'm sure I would care more about Hope if the X-men acted as if she were still important outside of crossovers and certain storylines, and I guess Cable's book being so bad helps with my non-caring. At least she's a teenager (pre-teen?) now, so it's almost over!

Astonishing X-men #31 - "How it takes 22 pages to catch a falling space craft" (2)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At this point, I really think Ellis needs to be dropped from the book. His constant sci-fi (and heavily realistic... as far as one can take that) take on the characters doesn't really fit the X-men. IIRC, space/science + X-men = disliked by most X-fans. Now, if Ellis was doing... Fan 4, I'd jump on it because it fits his elements a heckuva lot better than Astonishing. Oh, hey... give Ellis a book with the X-men currently out in space and maybe he can make it work!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 13, 2009, 03:04:39 AM
Marvel has announced a bunch of stuff for the Diamond Summit.

New Ultimates (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9868.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_New_Ultimates) by Jeph Loeb and Frank Cho.

X-Men Second Coming (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9871.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_X-Men_-_Second_Coming) a crossover of Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, New Mutants, and X-Men: Legacy.

Ultimate X (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9874.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Ultimate_X) by Jeph Loeb and Arthur Adams.

Doomwar (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9867.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Doomwar) by Jonathan Maberry.

Siege (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9872.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Siege) by Brian Bendis and Olivier Coipel.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on October 13, 2009, 03:50:35 AM
How does Jeph Loeb keep getting work?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 13, 2009, 04:02:39 AM
How does Jeph Loeb keep getting work?

By being one of the top selling writers every month.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on October 13, 2009, 04:18:43 AM
It's crazy, but true.

Anywho, I'm actually looking forward to Siege. Possibly Doomwar too if a certain someone isn't writing Deadpool's appearances in it. &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 13, 2009, 04:24:41 AM
It's crazy, but true.

Anywho, I'm actually looking forward to Siege. Possibly Doomwar too if a certain someone isn't writing Deadpool's appearances in it. &lt;_&lt;

I'm not really a Bendis fan but Siege is interesting me too. Second Coming is the one that interests me most though.

Murs, Doomwar seems to be a single 5 issue mini, so Deadpool will presumably only be written by Maberry.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 13, 2009, 04:36:13 AM
Ultimate X by Loeb? Really? The guy that basically removed 80% of the cast gets to write it? Pass. Pod... stop bringing bad news to me. What are you? A harbinger?

*attacks Pod with a bazooka*

Also, he doesn't top the list every month! Red Hulk rarely comes out on time for it to be every month! Maybe every other month... when an event isn't going on. Yeah.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 13, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
I'm sure I would care more about Hope if the X-men acted as if she were still important outside of crossovers and certain storylines, and I guess Cable's book being so bad helps with my non-caring. At least she's a teenager (pre-teen?) now, so it's almost over!

Astonishing X-men #31 - "How it takes 22 pages to catch a falling space craft" (2)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At this point, I really think Ellis needs to be dropped from the book. His constant sci-fi (and heavily realistic... as far as one can take that) take on the characters doesn't really fit the X-men. IIRC, space/science + X-men = disliked by most X-fans. Now, if Ellis was doing... Fan 4, I'd jump on it because it fits his elements a heckuva lot better than Astonishing. Oh, hey... give Ellis a book with the X-men currently out in space and maybe he can make it work!

But the art was astonishing, Prev!


Also there is a link to the promo trailer for the SIEGE (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-siege-promo-trailer/)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on October 13, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
seriously i look at my shelves and one has the whole line of ult spidey,x-men and ultimates. and i think how in the hell do you take one of the biggest success's and turn it into pure 100% bullcrap
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on October 13, 2009, 09:09:16 PM
Ultimates was good at some point?

Anyways, I read the latest F4 and..... teh weirdness.  On a highnote it gave me a reason to get out my Skrull Language translator: http://marhawkman.deviantart.com/gallery/

On a low note.... the council of Reeds is starting to get a bit old.  They really act like they think they CAN fix everything that's wrong in the Multiverse (Hello Exiles!)

On a weird note,  the Celestials stop by for a visit. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on October 13, 2009, 09:30:22 PM
Ultimates was good at some point?

More than good...amazing!

Quote
the council of Reeds is starting to get a bit old

It's only been two issues...lol.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on October 13, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
Actually they've had some foreshadowing of this since before Civil War.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 13, 2009, 10:32:34 PM
Actually, I'm fairly sure the "Council of Reeds" or something very similar to it has already been done in the fan4 core book years earlier (maybe the 90s?). But more than one of Reed can make it seem like it's lasting longer than it actually is. :P.

MURS, DP got a new X-costume in Waypool. You should skin that. You know you miss DP.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

* If you skin this... I might kill you. Horribly.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 13, 2009, 11:47:36 PM
Some very intersting quotes I found on CBR:

Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23267
Bendis' future plans mostly involve death, including the deaths of Luke Cage in "New Avengers" #60 and the Sentry in "Dark Avengers" #13--though his comment that Spider-Woman would die in the fifth issue of her own series made it pretty clear that he was kidding about these plans.

Parker reminded the audience that beyond working on "Agents of Atlas," he'd be taking over the monthly "Thunderbolts" title from newly appointed "Daredevil" writer Andy Diggle.

Sankovitch, the only non-writer on the panel, stressed that readers should look into two of the books she's currently editing: the "Nomad: Girl Without a World" miniseries written by Sean McKeever, and the upcoming "Strange" by Mark Waid and Emma Rios. "These are some of the most beautiful pages I've seen in a long time," she said of Stephen Strange's upcoming miniseries. "If you love Dr. Strange and need some Dr. Strange loving, this is the book for you."

Aaron revealed that "Wolverine: Weapon X" would introduce a new villain in an upcoming arc that is essentially Wolverine's version of the Joker, "in that he likes to cut people's brains out and do weird things with them." He also promoted his upcoming work on "PunisherMAX" alongside artist Steve Dillon.

Color me intrigued, Marvel.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 14, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
They better not kill Luke Cage.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 14, 2009, 03:01:49 AM
They better not kill Luke Cage.

I don't believe it for a moment. Maybe if Bendis was getting ready to quit Avengers...and Marvel in general.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 14, 2009, 05:33:22 AM
Ultimates was good at some point?

More than good...amazing!

I second that. Ultimates by Miller is awesome. If any book was the black sheep of the family (of the books mentioned by TUE), it was Ultimate X-Men. It started out decent, but the quality dipped due to repeatedly changing writers. Can't comment on Ultimate FF though.

Did anyone watch the Siege trailer that was shown at Baltimore? It ends with a shot of a Cap/Iron Man/Thor statue marked with a birth and death date: "1963-2010". Implying that the trio are going to die in the storyline. Comics are known for misdirection though, and this kinda reeks of it. But I sure hope they don't kill them. Cap and Thor just came back. Killing them again would be...lame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsXuWWf-wQ& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsXuWWf-wQ&)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on October 14, 2009, 08:35:49 PM
* If you skin this... I might kill you. Horribly.
I'm sure that if it lasts more than 1 issue it'll get it. :)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 19, 2009, 04:39:40 AM
Inc. Hercules #136 - "How 'Thorcules vs. Hercuthor' went down dirtily" (4):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_Thorcules.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=Thorcules.jpg)

I'm not going to go much into this as this was a 3 part story that alternated with Amadeus Cho's 3 part story as well. Just know it was an awesome conclusion to the storyline. The fight scenes between Herc and Thor was both amusing and mildly funny, and I found it very interesting that Pak/Lente chose to even make Thor humorous in some of his dialogue and actions. I mean, everyone knows Herc is a dirty fighter... but who knew Thor could throw down when he wanted to. If you're still not picking up this series, do yourself a favor and trade it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on October 19, 2009, 05:54:10 AM
Incredible Hercules has been a hard rocking series, who knew? I started reading it on Marvel.com and finally broke down and started picking up issues now that I've got a nearby comic shop. In general I'm catching up with my marvel series, and I'm loving Dark Reign. Pirate copy avengers assemble!

(I'm a little shocked that Taskmaster did not end up being a dark avenger, but that may have been too obvious).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 19, 2009, 03:56:33 PM
(I'm a little shocked that Taskmaster did not end up being a dark avenger, but that may have been too obvious).

Taskmaster will become a member of Norman's Cabal in a few months.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on October 22, 2009, 02:58:41 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23398

yost and kyle are leaving x-force

QQ dew dew mew mew but no pew pew
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 22, 2009, 03:32:09 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23398

yost and kyle are leaving x-force

QQ dew dew mew mew but no pew pew

Yeah I saw that back when Second Coming was announced. Should have mentioned it.
I'm really disappointed that they're leaving, but I'm still hopeful they'll be doing something else in the X-Verse, maybe Uncanny. 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on October 22, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
did i miss something the last time i saw sentry
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
but in the new dark avengers everyone is fine
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 22, 2009, 04:04:50 PM
did i miss something the last time i saw sentry
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
but in the new dark avengers everyone is fine

That is going to be explained in 12.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on October 22, 2009, 04:22:08 PM
thats just stupid and confusing
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on October 23, 2009, 01:00:44 AM
I'm a little confused about it myself and I hope things start to come together because Dark Avengers may be my favorite book right now. I just kind of prefer "characters" over "heroes/villains" and I feel that the book does a great job of giving everyone a voice. I would love to see this sort of thing continue in the marvel universe... basically with your teams of heroes, your teams of villains but at least a couple of teams of villains who pose as heroes, with a light (dark avengers) and darker (thunderbolts) side to it. And it is weird to see Bullseye so much... I've loved the character since I was a teen but he was a rare sighting, now he is one of the most prominent villains in the marvel U and so long as they dont over expose him too much (or give him powers) I'll be real happy.

Also: I like the fact that Marvel is starting to really set up boundaries and roles for their characters, eliminating some redundancy. Each genius kind of has a field now, each sorceror has a domain, each town has a few heroes... it feels more like an ecosystem than a convoluted mess of contrasting themes.

And question: I have not read spiderman in a while despite hearing it is really good again (too many titles too often, I will catch up on Marvel.com eventually) but are they seriosly trying to do the clone thing again? Why!?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 23, 2009, 02:04:42 AM
Yes... every book under Spider-man's branch right now has done something with the clone saga. Whether it be a re-telling (Ultimate), a continuation (Spider-girl), a "the way it was meant to be" (6 issue mini of Spider-man Clone Saga), or just another storyline (Spider-man: BND). It's clone central up 'n dat joint, yo.

However, my current feelings on Spider-man BND is very mixed. The last few storylines, and months, have reminded me of the "constant web jammings" problem, only this time it's based on "how vulgar we can get" and "how many sex jokes and references can we fit into one issue!" Tis an all ages book last time I checked. It should try to stay in that little area if it's going to continue being marketed in such a way. *shrugs*

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on October 23, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
However, my current feelings on Spider-man BND is very mixed. The last few storylines, and months, have reminded me of the "constant web jammings" problem, only this time it's based on "how vulgar we can get" and "how many sex jokes and references can we fit into one issue!" Tis an all ages book last time I checked. It should try to stay in that little area if it's going to continue being marketed in such a way. *shrugs*

Exactly why they had to lose the marriage to MJ... [sarcasm-on] So they could pursue those quality storylines and fresh ideas that they couldn't tell otherwise. [\sarcasm-off]
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 27, 2009, 02:47:46 AM
Has anyone else read the New Mutants/Necrosha preview pages yet?

I thought it was extremely good and seeing how
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
sees things was really neat.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 27, 2009, 03:56:17 AM
Yeah I saw them, and had similar thoughts. I also liked how Xavier was used, except it really hasn't been that long since he's seen most of the New Mutants.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on October 27, 2009, 04:12:39 AM
Where can I see this preview?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 27, 2009, 04:55:23 AM
Where can I see this preview?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3661&disp=table
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 29, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 29, 2009, 02:11:33 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.

Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 29, 2009, 02:43:04 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.

Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.

Well he can't kill off Domino. She's in X-Force.

Well I'll leave the DC zombies for a different thread. But over at Marvel I'd give the whole X-Force/Necrosha/New Mutants combo a 3.5 maybe a 4 out of 5.

X-Force was pretty good, it's an action X-23 issue and I liked it. However I feel like they could pack a little more into the issue. The non-X-23 stuff is crawling, and it keeps crawling straight into Necrosha. The stuff with Rhane and the Wolf Prince I just have no idea how it's going to be resolving in the remaining issues of the run. There's I believe 6 issues of Necrosha and then we're straight into Second Coming. Anyway I'm really liking Choi's art, he's starting to cut down a bit on making things look too pretty, just a bit but it's a good change.

Necrosha was a solid start but nothing amazing. I kinda wish things would have gone a little further but this is just the prologue. There's a couple of surprises but nothing too shocking yet. The New Mutants story pretty leads straight into New Mutants, while the Legacy story is a little more set up as the Legacy Necrosha issues don't start til December. Crain's art is bogging it down a bit. He captures the mood prefectly but he's soo murky. Some shots are pretty nice, others are ill defined and murky. You can tell he rushes through some stuff. The other two artists were alright. The Legacy one was kinda I dunno grainy.

New Mutants had some cool stuff. The internal dialogue of Cypher is really cool, and I liked how Xavier was used alot. Actually I've read very little with Doug in it but I really liked him here. Not too sure about the rest of the New Mutants - they skirt the line of seeming too immature and reminding us that they're really only in their early 20s. I like Illyana though, she's all dark and creepy with her own goals. Again I wish the plot had moved a little further but honestly you find that in most comics written these days. The art is mediocre. There's potential there but so much of it looks awkward and maybe rushed. Colours aren't helping either, it suffers from the same problem Young X-Men had for all but the last two issues, the colour palette is too pale. It needs colouring more like the Initiative.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on October 30, 2009, 09:15:13 PM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.

Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.

Dout it as well, either part of the trap or a mistake on the red she hulks part.

Anyone read Punisher: The List #1?

I've never been able to get into mainstream punisher (although LOVE punisher max) and honestly I keep trying and saying "meh".
This time around I loved the art, the story, everything minus the damn outcome:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Glitch Girl on October 30, 2009, 11:25:53 PM

.. and no matter what they do with Frank now it will be as silly as angel frank with magic guns.


Possibly sillier.
I present... FRANKENCASTLE (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1256833997)
I am not making this up. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23503)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on October 31, 2009, 04:36:28 AM
... I don't know what I find more bizarre... the idea itself or the fact that in that article the writers are acting like this is not only not completely insane. but the natural thing to do with the character.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on October 31, 2009, 04:55:03 AM
... I don't know what I find more bizarre... the idea itself or the fact that in that article the writers are acting like this is not only not completely insane. but the natural thing to do with the character.

They are so matter of fact about it that they pretty much convinced me.

Btw thanks for the links GG, I knew what was going on from the art floating around but reading the issue confirmed my fears. Thank god for Punisher Max...

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on October 31, 2009, 06:05:45 AM
Punisher has the worst luck. We all need to accept this. I think this will be finely engraved in your heads once "Punisher and Eminem" comes out.

Short reviews to come later... I suppose.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: bat1987 on October 31, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
And I thought OMD was bad...
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on October 31, 2009, 07:51:57 PM
Wait? So Punisher is dead? And he's coming back as Frankenstein??
That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on October 31, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 01, 2009, 02:38:09 AM
Punisher has the worst luck. We all need to accept this. I think this will be finely engraved in your heads once "Punisher and Eminem" comes out.

That story was actually available as a digital comic a long time ago. I read it, it wasn't terrible. It wasn't especially great but it wasn't bad. It was a lot like a cop buddy movie, where Eminem was the funny/annoying guy who's for the most part completely useless in a fight.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on November 01, 2009, 02:56:22 AM
*sigh* I'm so glad the only Marvel series I read is Captain America. Bru seems to be the only writer they have who isn't insane or on drugs.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on November 01, 2009, 05:05:23 AM
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.

I'm not a punisher fan by any means, but I think the main problem is that this is a bizzare plot to begin with(even by Marvel standards this is a bit cheesy), and it's being done with a character who is probably the most "real" (in that he has no powers or cool gadgets) and who consequently doesn't exactly lend himself to the bizzareness that you could accept in an FF plot or an X-book.

I still dunno about this whole thing though... A character is revealed to become a monster that close to Halloween? *shrug*
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on November 01, 2009, 05:11:11 AM
The thing that actually bothers me the most, is that one of my favorite artists, John Romita Jr, had to draw that crap, with Daken killing Frank. Normally I'd be tempted buy anything that JR Jr drew, but wouldn't touch that with a 10' pole.

 

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on November 01, 2009, 07:27:02 AM
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.

I'm not a punisher fan by any means, but I think the main problem is that this is a bizzare plot to begin with(even by Marvel standards this is a bit cheesy), and it's being done with a character who is probably the most "real" (in that he has no powers or cool gadgets) and who consequently doesn't exactly lend himself to the bizzareness that you could accept in an FF plot or an X-book.

I still dunno about this whole thing though... A character is revealed to become a monster that close to Halloween? *shrug*

That is pretty much it, if Batman became a vampire in the regular Batman comics which tend to avoid supernatural events, well it would throw everyone off. Same with the punisher, seeing him so severely altered feels wrong in ways that seeing a mutant or superhero does not.

Still for all the people who are not so sure about what the deal with the punisher is I recomend reading "the slavers" from the max line, just pick up some booze to cheer you up after. It is very much frank saying "What I do makes no difference, I'm powerless to change the larger world, but doing awful things to awful people make's me feel better". You know, such as hanging a guy with his own guts.


btw since the punisher is now a "mystic" character something tells me that in 6 issues he will make a deal with mephisto and emerge with his old body, nobody knowing his secret identity... and married to peter parker in a classic mephisto twist.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on November 01, 2009, 01:25:01 PM
This is just another example of why the Punisher shouldn't be in the mainstream Marvel universe.  He should stay over in MAX land where he belongs.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 01, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Punisher, Punisher, blah blah, Punisher.

Podmark, why did you not report that the X-force cover is a clever homage (easter egg) to "The Lost Boys"? Shame on you. But seriously... a review or two later. Maybe. You know how that goes. :P


Hulk 16:

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X-factor 50:

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Issue 50 was an ok read for me. I'm glad the time travel stuff is over, and it's nice to see PAD tie up so much history with Layla and Fitzroy. Knowing what Layla's real power is now kinda cements why she'll be out of the picture for a lot of the time, me thinks. The preview for issue 200 kinda intrigues me, but not by much. Hopefully, it'll fully grab my attention again after it almost lost me with the 5 issues of "lost in time." So... 3.5
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on November 01, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
Yeah, apparently Layla HAD demonsterated her true power before this.  Just in a very small way.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 01, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..

This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 11:26:41 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..

This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.

Ahh...well, a happy coincidence then. Both companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
Colour me wrong.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on November 02, 2009, 01:55:21 AM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..

This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.

Ahh...well, a happy coincidence then. Both companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
Colour me wrong.


And that is giving DC the benefit of the doubt and not assuming it is a direct response to Marvel Zombies, one of the most popular series of events in the last few years.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 02, 2009, 02:06:37 AM
Lugaru has a point, considering Marvel Zombies has had like 5 series in its collection + several one shots since it began in 2007 (with the latest one ending not even a full month ago).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on November 02, 2009, 02:27:57 AM
Umm...in my opinion, the (current comic) zombie bandwagon has less to do with marvel's zombie outings, and much more to do with Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead (and yes, I know Kirkman wrote Marvel Zombies as well. But if his independent series had not been popular, neither company would be thorax deep in the undead right now).
So I'm not giving DC any more credit than Marvel, but I was unaware of how long necrosha had been in planning (due to my colossal disinterest in all things X), hence my original question.
Both companies jumped on the bandwagon. As they both tend to do.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 02, 2009, 02:38:53 AM
The earliest seed of Necrosha was in New X-Men 32 from November 2006. That issue only sets up the Selene threat and her alliance with Wither. The first seed of the undead aspect was in X-Force 2 from May 2008. Those are publishing dates so the actual plans would be earlier than that.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 07, 2009, 09:36:34 PM
Black Widow: Deadly Origins (4):

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I must say that I find it so refreshing that mainstream companies are still willing to give female characters a shot at maintaining their own books without resorting to gimmicky plots, sexy outfits, or giving them a male counterpart co-star.

Deadpool Teamup 899 (2):

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Sidenote, if this is a new ongoing series, why in the world would Marvel continue their numbering gimmick? Make sense, Marvel. Also, I'll never forgive you, Van Lente, for making my "Ultimate Trio" script less viable. Bah.


Psylocke #1 (3.5):

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As I said in the spoiler section, a lot of the thoughts and developments Yost implemented here should have been done in the 90s. Missed opportunities. I really enjoyed the small amount of time Yost gave to Psylocke's great friendships with Dazzler and Wolverine. Friendship isn't something that's emphasized in X-men these days.



So what did you guys read?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 08, 2009, 10:17:49 AM
I read Nova #31.
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This is a pretty good issue, but not the best the book's been. The major draw to me was the guest appearance of Darkhawk, who I've enjoyed seeing in Marvel's cosmic books lately. On the art front this issue was an improvement over the previous issue (which came out just last week!), which I felt had very rough art (from a different artist). One thing I've always admired about Divito's art is that it is solid and consistent. It rarely dips in quality, and the character's costumes and body proportions don't tend to differ from panel to panel.



Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 08, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
I just read X-Factor 50 and what?
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 08, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
Heh, AA. I think I glossed over it because of all the time travel elements, and just accepted that Layla had a random power and wouldn't be seen very often from that point on. I mean, she did effectively cause her weird nature and lifestyle. Oh, PAD... did you HAVE to use time travel in a story to explain Layla and Fitzroy?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on November 09, 2009, 11:40:53 PM
Um... yes?  Hello... it's Fitzroy!  A mutant whose only power is to make time portals.  Of course the story needed to have a temporal paradox tossed in to spice it up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 10, 2009, 08:02:26 PM
Uh, hi, Marhawk. Welcome to sarcasm land. But no, he didn't "have" to use time travel to explain Fitzroy. He chose to do so. That's the beauty of being a writer; you have so many creative ways and paths to take to tie up and answer questions. Also, time travel is a sucky plot device. Just sucky. Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 10, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.

She made a song? :mellow:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on November 10, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
Just sucky. Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.

bwahahahahaha ohh you didn't go for the obvious joke awwwwwwwwww :(
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 11, 2009, 09:51:25 PM
I know this interview is a bit old, but I found parts and pieces of it very interesting. If you guys have any interest in the Ultimate Universe or Mark Millar in general, give it a read.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 12, 2009, 03:59:26 AM
Read the latest Spider-Man today guest starring Deadpool. Lot of fun, wasn't a fan of the art though. Plus it builds on the Kraven's which is a story I'm really interested in.

Also read X-Force. It was pretty good, mostly a fight issue. Crain was his usual murky self, the low point being a page where I thought Logan was Warpath, the high point being a pretty sweet Banshee splash.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 12, 2009, 05:43:48 AM
I read that Miller interview. It was very interesting, and gives me stuff to be excited about in Ultimate Avengers. There seems to be pages missing though. I don't agree with him on some of his points though, his his claim that Nazi-themed supervillains are too outdated for viewers to understand or that the ideal amount of time working on a single book is 24 issues.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on November 13, 2009, 12:18:08 AM
Punisher Max 75: hope it does not become a collectors issue because my g.f. accidentally messed up the cover by leaving a half eaten apple on it. Great stories though, especially the first (dolls).

Punisher Max #1:  A nice retro story tying in the rise of the kingpin with the punisher. The comic seems like a nice marriage between the Marvel Knights cartoon violence and the punisher Max awful consequences. It is not too much of a spoiler to say something really bad but really funny happens to a mobster in a punisher comic.

Daredevil 502: not much to say without spoiling, but let's just say I'm glad my hunch was right. Anyway Matt Murdoch remains one of the most complex heroes out there, and every time his back is pressed to a wall he fights back a little bit harder, this time with an army of evil ninjas.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 01:25:57 AM
Anyone read X-force? If so, was I the only one let down by the art because one couldn't make out what was going on in some panels? Also, it hurt me to see one of my fave characters back in this new position, and I think some of my enthusiasm for this arc is dying out. I blame all the other marvel events going on. Yep. :P

I read that Miller interview. It was very interesting, and gives me stuff to be excited about in Ultimate Avengers. There seems to be pages missing though. I don't agree with him on some of his points though, his his claim that Nazi-themed supervillains are too outdated for viewers to understand or that the ideal amount of time working on a single book is 24 issues.

No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 13, 2009, 02:14:29 AM
I read it. No complaints from me, I actually love Crain's art. It gives the book a very grim and gritty look which is fitting.

Read DD and Punishermax as well. Both entertaining reads.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 13, 2009, 02:51:26 AM
I mentioned X-Force above.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 13, 2009, 04:18:43 AM
No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.

Then how come half the pages end mid-sentence, only for the next scan in sequence to be right dam smack in the middle of a completely different sentence about something else? 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 04:31:20 AM
No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.

Then how come half the pages end mid-sentence, only for the next scan in sequence to be right dam smack in the middle of a completely different sentence about something else? 

They don't start up in different places. The sentences are just cut weird in the magazine. Example: page one ends with:

"...[A]nd just comes back and he's cleverly manipu-"

and page 2 picks up with:

"lating everything."

But now that I look at it, one page is missing. My bad. I'll add it into the earlier post.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 07:25:17 PM
Double Post:

I finally got around to reading Dark X-men. I'd rate it a 3. Nothing really happened to draw me in and the team is still a huge failure for Osborn, but at this point, that's not surprising. Osborn's teams are all on the verge of self-imploding at this point. Anyway, remember when news came out that Nate Grey was returning? Well... who would have thought that Mystique's "new" human form would play into it? Certainly not I. :P

Oh, this issue came with the second part of the "Hope" backup minis. Again, it's pointless. Everything these backup strips are trying to get across are the same things we learned from the first few issues of Cable. Duane, you have to stop being so repetitive with your Cable storylines. That's your major problem with that book and you're keeping it going in other books. Hopefully, all of this will add up in the end and add new information. Hopefully.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on November 13, 2009, 07:46:21 PM
I really reeeeaaaaally hope that Mystique and Normie aren't somehow able to trick Nate into working with them. Being one of the most powerful telepaths to ever exist, there is really no excuse. Norman already has the Sentry as his power player anyway.... Even though everything seems to be pointing in this direction, I'll be pretty miffed if it happens and lasts longer than one or two issues.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 14, 2009, 01:48:34 AM

They don't start up in different places. The sentences are just cut weird in the magazine. Example: page one ends with:

"...[A]nd just comes back and he's cleverly manipu-"

and page 2 picks up with:

"lating everything."

But now that I look at it, one page is missing. My bad. I'll add it into the earlier post.

Page 2 ends with:

"and sort of an old man in a young man's body, isn't..." [talking about Ultimate Cap]

page 3 starts with

"...open it up so you start seeing a bit more about them." [talking about reinventing characters like Ghost Rider and Blade]

The other example I saw was the one where a page starts with Miller talking about Samuel L. Jackson and Nick Fury, but you added the missing page in that case.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 14, 2009, 01:52:43 AM
No, actually page 2 (which is a double spread) ends with:

"...but then I want to..."

and page 3 opens with:

"open it up so you start seeing...."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 15, 2009, 12:59:53 AM
Huh. So it is. My mistake then.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^

But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 24, 2009, 02:16:20 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^

But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.

Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 24, 2009, 03:13:04 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^

But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.

Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?

uhmmm....i'm not sure. he didn't display any kind of kinky behavior in the issue.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 24, 2009, 04:03:05 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^

But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.

Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?

lol no it didn't come up. But I was wondering about it. He's clearly shown to be into women in the issue though.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 25, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23842 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23842)
New series in 2010 called Shield. Seems like it'll be a more expansive Marvels Project, which has been pure gold so far.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 26, 2009, 07:28:44 AM
Uncanny #517 (3):

After a very long hiatus, I decided to give this book another chance to see how well Fraction could do with his own plots. This issue is part of the 8 issue long Nation X plot. Did I change my mind about Fraction writing the X-men? Well...

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AA, this is where you come in and tell me how on or off the mark I am. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 26, 2009, 08:36:37 AM
No, your review seems dead on. I really couldn't stand how almost everybody's hair had a wind machine on it and why was Psylocke on the cover if she isn't in the comic? Oddly enough, I thought this is ok but why did nothing these characters say ring true to who they are (especially Magneto)?

I did like the Rogue bit with the NXMers. It reminded me of all the things I liked about Rogue when she as she appeared in the first 12 issues of Xtreme X-Men.

One more thing, where are they getting their food?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 26, 2009, 10:07:57 AM
I don't think they eat. :P.

If I were to begin questioning things in Fraction's Uncanny, I can only imagine myself hating the book more than I originally did.  I mean, I did completely skip over Cyclops' comment about "needing Emma (as the lead psychic)" since the cuckoos were KOed when Xavier and Psylocke (shouldn't she and Wolvie be in Japan?) are on the island with him. Also, I completely ignored the fact that Fraction FORGOT he already had Storm on utopia for an X-meeting... I just assumed she tornado-ported back to Wakanda and then came back for an "epic/corny" entrance like her moment in Astonishing. And I completely ignored that Fraction had Xavier be a whipping dog and take Magneto's position in a fight they already had in Carey's X-men Legacy when Xavier was captured by Exodus. So, I think it was very easy for me to ignore that they don't have food, but I just assume they teleport back into their old base to get what they need for now like they did in Agents of Atlas vs. X-men #1-2.

Obviously, Fraction's run leaves a lot up to the imagination because such frivolous details are just... unnecessary to whatever Nation X seems to be about (I actually don't know what this storyline is supposed to be about because there doesn't seem to be a major thread running through the issues. Just a bunch of small plots under a banner.).

Wow... everything is right in the world again. ^^.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 26, 2009, 04:56:07 PM
One more thing, where are they getting their food?

I think they convinced the Mayor to ship them stuff. Iceman and Storm are handling water.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on November 26, 2009, 05:52:46 PM
I don't how I felt about Uncanny. The action was good, but the dialogue was just so darn poor. I think I'm just reading this to see what's up with Magneto in all honesty. But we'll see how long that lasts, I'm not liking Fraction's portrayal of him.

Reading this back to back with Iron Man baffles me. Same writer, but world's apart in terms of quality. I don't get it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 26, 2009, 10:36:31 PM
I don't how I felt about Uncanny. The action was good, but the dialogue was just so darn poor. I think I'm just reading this to see what's up with Magneto in all honesty. But we'll see how long that lasts, I'm not liking Fraction's portrayal of him.

Reading this back to back with Iron Man baffles me. Same writer, but world's apart in terms of quality. I don't get it.

Those are seriously my major complaints with Fraction - why is Iron Man winning awards and simply amazingly thoughtful and X-Men is incredibly (or uncannily) phoned in.

Also I completely forgot Prof X was on the isle. What the frell is Cyclops talking about with Emma when Prof X has been stated time and time again as the world's most powerful telepath? Thank you Prev for helping me realized I need to stop wasting my money on this series and start buying Secret Warriors more religiously.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on November 27, 2009, 01:36:23 AM
My guess is that, as they usually come out in the same week, Fraction spends most of his time writing Iron Man, then churns out a script for Uncanny in a single afternoon.

After reading this weeks issues of each series back to back, I have to agree that it's almost unbelievable that they're written by the same person.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 27, 2009, 03:30:01 AM
It might be that Fraction is more in his element writing Iron Man, or that he's trying (and failing?) to do something different with Uncanny. I don't know I don't buy any Fraction books regularly.

I've read the Order after it was done, it was pretty good; a Young Avengers issue by Fraction which was also good; Uncanny X-Men 500 - probably the worst comic I've ever read; Utopia, the List, and the first issue of Nation X - all of which I liked to varying degrees. Planning to pick up more of the new Uncanny issues next time my shop has a sale. I'm very interested in the current X-direction.
I might have to try his Iron Man one day.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 27, 2009, 07:19:33 AM
To be fair, X-men 500 wasn't just Fraction's fault. That fell both on Brubaker and Fraction since they both wrote that issue. If I remember the script correctly though, I think Fraction wrote a bit more of it than Brubaker did.

All the issues that you liked, Pod, are the ones I found low to mediocre for different reasons. Out of all of those, I think I liked "The List" the most despite how Fraction wrote Iceman ('can't freeze water without a [weak] psychic named Psylocke'), Namor ('I have no issues killing my [should be still] dead wife and ripping off her head, despite having strong feelings for her), and his constant need to promote his brand of "witty" and "nerdism." Also, I can really do without him constantly ripping on Alpha Flight. Having Cyclops comment on them like he did to Northstar was pretty low. It's not like the majority of that team didn't die in an explosion a year ago marvel time... oh wait! ^_^

But yeah, as I said in the past about both Fraction and Brubaker, team books of the X-men nature just don't seem to suit them. Fraction has the bigger issue of trying to use the whole cast, but only focusing on 5 big dogs the majority of the time while everyone else is repelled into the background. His use of Namor is really jarring to me because he only uses him as a tank that can barely handle his own. In fact, I've noticed that many fans want Namor out of the book, which I was kinda shocked by. I thought it'd be a good move to explore Namor more, but Fraction isn't providing that at the moment.

This leads to my bigger issue with him. Outside of his half thought-out plots, which usually involves some form of contradiction or omission, Fraction just doesn't have a handle on the majority of the characters he's working with. He doesn't really understand the basics of any character on his main "rotating" cast, so I know he doesn't really grasp the depth the majority of those characters have. It comes across very clearly in his writing, and especially in his interviews, that he just doesn't get them and is trying to make pieces fit to his writing as well as he can make them fit. Maybe he'll get better before his next X-event, but he has quite a long way to go, imo. So, in closing, Fraction's X-work (and Thor minis) is sub-par compared to his runs on Ironfist and Ironman.

Speaking of omissions, Pod, you read Utopia in full, no? Did Fraction ever explain what happened to Beast and how all his hair (and his claws) are back in such a short period of time? I thought that was one of the "big" points in that storyline, so I was hoping he eventually got around to explaining it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 27, 2009, 07:13:09 PM
Yeah I liked the issues, but I never said they were prefect. Fraction really doesn't get the characters well at all. Nobody is really written that well. I find Mike Carey, and Yost and Kyle vastly superior with characterization than him.

I really like Namor being in the book, but it's all context - I think him being around while the X-Men setup their own island adds more legitimacy to the idea. I don't really have any problem with the way he writes Namor, but I'm hardly a die-hard Namor fan.

Yeah I read the whole Utopia story, and no he never properly explained the Omega Device in the book. The device allowed Michael Pointer to absorb the mutant energy of whoever was sitting in the chair, thus powering up Pointer and subduing the powers of whoever was in the chair and making them feel sick. That much you can tell in the book, but he explained the rest in an interview, the device's effects were just temporary so Beast's fur and claws just grew back in. If you need an explanation of how that happened so fast just remember that the X-Men have three or four healers right now.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Deaths Jester on November 28, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Yeah I liked the issues, but I never said they were prefect. Fraction really doesn't get the characters well at all. Nobody is really written that well. I find Mike Carey, and Yost and Kyle vastly superior with characterization than him.

I really like Namor being in the book, but it's all context - I think him being around while the X-Men setup their own island adds more legitimacy to the idea. I don't really have any problem with the way he writes Namor, but I'm hardly a die-hard Namor fan.

Yeah I read the whole Utopia story, and no he never properly explained the Omega Device in the book. The device allowed Michael Pointer to absorb the mutant energy of whoever was sitting in the chair, thus powering up Pointer and subduing the powers of whoever was in the chair and making them feel sick. That much you can tell in the book, but he explained the rest in an interview, the device's effects were just temporary so Beast's fur and claws just grew back in. If you need an explanation of how that happened so fast just remember that the X-Men have three or four healers right now.

Also wasn't it set up at some point in the way past...around the time that Logan had just been Apoclaypse's Death, that it was revealed that Beast had a healing factor as well and when they went to jail, his fur was removed by the dampening factor of the area but soon afterwards he grew it back.  Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on November 28, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Healing wouldn't actually affect the speed of hair growth that much, but this is comic book logic, so I'm not going to push it. Actually, I haven't seen any of the X-healers around lately. They always seem to be missing or KOed. But yes, DJ, Beast has a slight healing factor (though it was boosted at one time) that is rarely used or mentioned kinda like his pheromone ability. ^^. Actually, I wouldn't even call it that. It's more of a, "I heal faster than a typical human," type of thing similar to Spider-man at least in how it's been portrayed.

Incredible Herc #138 (3.5):

If you haven't been keeping up with Hercules, then you're missing out. This is the second part of the "Mount on Olympus" storyline that sees Hercules, Hebe, Cho, Athena, Kid-Zeus, New Avengers (Spider-woman I, Spider-man, and Wolverine), and the Mighty Avengers (USAgent, Pym, Jocasta, and Quicksilver) trying to fight off Hera and put an end to her Continuum plan, which basically involves the Gods reclaiming and recreating the Earth in their image. How well does the book work? Well, let's see:

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This issue was easily a good 3.5. It had the humor, the character building, and the action that most of the Inc. Hercules issues contain, but it also continues to round out Amadeus Cho and makes Athena even more ambiguous in her morals. Is she a villain or a hero? Personally, I tend to think she's a chaotic neutral type character that likes to keep certain things in her favor. This storyline also has me very interested in what will happen between Amadeus and Herc (who seems to be back in love with Hebe, his wife). Oh, and for you Atlas fans, the team currently is in the Herc book as a backup. Considering Atlas is at the same place as Hercules, I can see them crossing paths sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on November 29, 2009, 03:51:31 AM
Healing wouldn't actually affect the speed of hair growth that much


Elixir's ability isn't healing it's biological manipulation. He could restore Beast's hair, and for once Josh is actually conscious - well he was at the time.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 02, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
From the latest Uncanny preview: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vmizTggXAos/SxGKjHTwHmI/AAAAAAAABV4/d_55zt1tqoM/s1600/UXM518-03.png

Query, when exactly did Emma go from mid-level telepath with the ability to augment her powers with weapons she created to "omega" level? The X-men and their power levels are harder to keep track of than a pair of socks in a dryer... or something much more witty than that. Sorry, off day. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on December 02, 2009, 01:58:49 AM
harder to keep track of then continuity in a Marvel or DC comic book?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 02, 2009, 03:28:32 AM
From the latest Uncanny preview: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vmizTggXAos/SxGKjHTwHmI/AAAAAAAABV4/d_55zt1tqoM/s1600/UXM518-03.png

Query, when exactly did Emma go from mid-level telepath with the ability to augment her powers with weapons she created to "omega" level? The X-men and their power levels are harder to keep track of than a pair of socks in a dryer... or something much more witty than that. Sorry, off day. :P

Yeah this is bugging a lot of people from what I've seen, me included. I thought Phoenix Endsong went out of it's way to say Emma was not an Omega level?

Part of the problem is that there's never been a clear definition of what Omega class mutants are. I've always used the definition Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir used when they classified Elixir  as an Omega. It was something to the extent that an Omega needed to have the potential to have complete control over whatever their power allows them to manipulate. Essentially an Omega at full potential should be able to do anything within the full context of their powers. But even that is kinda vague and could allow mutants to sneak in who don't belong.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 02, 2009, 03:36:30 AM
Tis true, Omega class is very vague, but it was always my understanding that it wasn't a level of power you could grow into naturally. It was a level that you were inherently born with such as Iceman, Jean, and Xavier. It's a very exclusive class. The only other way to even reach that point is to have your powers augmented to that level via Cortez or Sage. But then again, the X-men around Emma are also being screwed with power wise (Psylocke, Iceman, Rogue), so maybe they're changing the rules albeit quietly?

I just thought that was a level of power writers were vehemently trying to avoid because of all the restrictions it presented. When Jean reached that level, they stopped using her and killed her off. When Psylocke reached that level under Claremont (recently), she started getting beat up all the time and could barely maintain her uber teke powers. If Emma really reaches that level, I can only imagine what'll happen to her when Fraction isn't controlling/writing her. Besides, the real charm of Emma wasn't how strong she was as a TPer, but how she managed to use her powers in unique and manipulative ways (I.E., an extension of her actual personality).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 02, 2009, 03:54:09 AM
Yeah, Omega level is something you're born with. You don't randomly get upgraded to that level.

Also Xavier, to my knowledge, is not Omega level. The only ones I know of are Jean, Iceman, Elixir, Franklin, Mister M, Vulcan (though I personally dispute this one) and presumably Rachel, Cable and X-Man but I've never seen these three confirmed on panel myself.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 02, 2009, 04:08:06 AM
Interesting about Xavier. I always assumed he was because of his and others claims that he was "the strongest telepath in the world." And he kept that title even after Jean went Phoenix. Also, his powers came back and were greatly enhanced after he fell in the M'Kraan crystal, so if he wasn't before, he definitely should be one now. Actually, checking wiki, Fraction named him and Emma both Omega telepaths... so I'm now going to ignore it. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 02, 2009, 04:23:05 AM
I'm not saying Xavier isn't for sure, but I've never heard him cited as one. And personally I don't think he qualifies. But I'm also not sure what a telepath needs to be able to do to qualify.

Jean and her offspring I think qualify based on the telepathy/telekinesis combo. If you've read Cable's fight against the Silver Surfer - that was what an Omega should be capable of. Destroying and immediately reassembling not just parts of a space station but the people inside it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 02, 2009, 04:53:13 AM
I always figured a mutant designated as an omega class/threat was because they are capable of committing genocide.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on December 02, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
I'd heard it was any mutant capable of very precise and widespread matter, energy or reality manipulation. That's why Jean was Omega when she started being able to TK individual molecules, Iceman has the potential for thermodynamic and water manipulation, Elixir can control biological systems on a very precise level, Mister M, X-man/Cable, and Franklin Richards are pretty self explanatory.
People like Xavier, while very powerful, lacked the ability to manipulate matter or energy and were thus exempt from omega status.

Bah, it's too confusing.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on December 02, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
You guys are forgetting about one of the most obvious examples,  Kid Omega - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Quire

but let's not even get into what the movie franchise declared to be omega level mutants :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 03, 2009, 04:50:20 AM
I tend to ignore Quentin because of his role in Endsong and because of his appearances and storylines that happened around a certain story that I hated in New X-men. :P But regardless, wasn't his power, too, jump-started thanks to the booster drug Kick? I don't know how natural his powers were because he overdosed on that stuff and burnt out. Then again, he was revealed to be a future host to the phoenix force as was Vulcan (in a non-canon "what if" where Quentin was also present). At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Quentin popped up again as a major threat sometime down the line. The mansion was destroyed and he was never recovered, right? Maybe then we'll get a clearer answer on him.

Anyway, new week, new comics. Anyone got any reviews (for those that got them today, of course).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 03, 2009, 05:52:20 AM
The only book I got this week was Nova.
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This wasn't a super exciting issue, mainly because a large number of splash pages and large panels during action sequences made it a fairly short read. It would have been shorter had it not been for the amount of exposition in it. It was still a enjoyable read, and fairly fast pages, but I didn't find the guest stars, save for the one at the end, to be very interesting. In interviews DNA hyped up this storyline by saying it would feel a lot more like Nova's older adventures (pre-Annihilation) and seemed to imply that the New Warriors would be in it, so I do have hopes it will get more interesting as it moves along.  I found the art strong, but as I mentioned I find Divito rarely does a poor job. I especially liked the way he drew the Sphinx, particularly in the splash page where he shows up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 03, 2009, 06:26:59 AM
Thanks for the review, SS! I'm very interested in the cosmic stories these days, so I hope all these stories play out fairly well while the Earth heroes go through event after event after event with no end in sight.

Meanwhile, Beast is gearing to leave Uncanny soon (next issue in fact), which brings me to this: http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7178&page=19#Item_16

Matt Fraction explains what he meant by Omega Telepath and... it still makes no sense, but OK. Let's just roll with that. Also, apparently Brubaker also called Xavier an Omega in Deadly Genesis, which I don't remember at all. However, I am excited for Jubilee's possible return... SOMEWHERE. Haven't seen her since New Warriors ended. And I want classic, but mature, Jubilee... not the Wondra person she was forced to be. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 03, 2009, 06:38:17 AM
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if Jubilee showed up with her Wondra tech (I assume she still has it - I didn't read the end of New Warriors). I like it when continuity is acknowledged.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 03, 2009, 06:53:10 AM
Eh, I meant more of her personality during New Warriors, not her costume. She wouldn't be nearly as useful without it, especially since most writers forget her none mutant skills.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 03, 2009, 07:08:46 AM
Yeah, poor characterization is something I don't mind being ignored.

I kinda run a just the facts system. I like to think of comics continuity, when possible, as the characters' actual history. So stuff that happened did happen, unless proven otherwise.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 03, 2009, 08:30:29 PM
So...
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 03, 2009, 11:40:08 PM
know what else is interesting, Murs?

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Know what wasn't so interesting?

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 04, 2009, 03:18:36 AM
I skipped the X-Force Annual, seemed pointless, but the backup looks fun. Might get the issue in a sale one day.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on December 04, 2009, 08:26:38 PM
Anybody read the Dark X-men annual?
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 05, 2009, 03:27:50 AM
I think you mean Dark Avengers, no, Zippo (Murs talked about it above)? Marvel boy causes somewhat of a minor split in his fanbase. People that like his initial characterization under Grant don't so much care for what he became in normal marvel continuity via Bendis (and it's never really been a stable characterization until probably recently... and that's not even true because of how different Marvel boy was in Wolverine: The List, which harkened back to Grant's take).

But anyway, I would advise people not to read Dark Avengers Annual until after Captain America Reborn ends. The Annual kinda kills some suspense.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on December 05, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
I hate Marvel Boy's new costume. Just ugly.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 05, 2009, 03:55:03 AM
I hate Marvel Boy's new costume. Just ugly.

ya, the person(s) that approved it at Marvel should be slapped.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on December 05, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 05, 2009, 01:17:18 PM
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3713/daa101026.jpg - best description I've heard for this costume, "He looks like space ghost if he was redesigned for the DCAU."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on December 05, 2009, 01:45:04 PM


But anyway, I would advise people not to read Dark Avengers Annual until after Captain America Reborn ends. The Annual kinda kills some suspense.

i've gave up trying to keep stories in order, with this now, and the way dc have blackest night every where. it's not worth the hassle
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: udasu on December 05, 2009, 02:39:13 PM
DC and Marvel are both pushing the 'unbelievable' and 'uncomfortable' envelope for me. Bendis and Johns are getting on my nerves with their 'keep it all in flux for 3 years' storylines.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on December 05, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3713/daa101026.jpg - best description I've heard for this costume, "He looks like space ghost if he was redesigned for the DCAU."

Ugh. It also looks like something that would have been designed in the 90's. With a different mask and belt buckle and a different color scheme it might not look as bad.....but would still suck.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on December 05, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
DC and Marvel are both pushing the 'unbelievable' and 'uncomfortable' envelope for me. Bendis and Johns are getting on my nerves with their 'keep it all in flux for 3 years' storylines.

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Is Reborn over yet? Picked up my comics last week, and the one with the cliffhanger involving the Red Skull
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was the only issue I got.

(Apologies for the double post)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 05, 2009, 10:34:54 PM
No, Reborn has one more issue to go. It comes out on Dec. 16th... 2 weeks from now.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on December 06, 2009, 02:17:28 PM
Yeah, Reborn probably ends with Cap and Skull duking it out inside Cap's mind for control of the body.  Skull loses.... Probably.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 07, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
10 page preview of Nation X#1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3982&disp=table) starring Colossus, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler... aka The All New, All Different (and All Male) X-men! Oh, the New new X-men as well. It's sad to say that Magneto hasn't been written in a great light since X-men Legacy... a book many found boring during Xavier's run. It's even sadder to say that Iceman has restarted his ever-lasting loop and has lost all his development from Carey's run... but he is written by Chris Yost, so it can't possibly be that bad, can it?

I just hope that this anthology series fares much better than "Manifest Destiny" did.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on December 07, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
not too shabby prev.  BTW you can never go wrong with an Allred piece ;)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 07, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Hey look on the bright side, this month Legacy starts a new arc with Magneto onboard. Carey written Magneto - yay!

The Nation X preview looked alright...alright I'll admit it I'm just a sucker for the New X-Men. I doubt I'll pick it up but I'm interested with what happens in it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 07, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
kinda liked the mag + kids part
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 08, 2009, 01:48:42 AM
I really disliked Iceman's personality in that preview. Especially when he basically tells the New X-Men kids "You suck, you'll be never be as good as me and the 'real X-Men'". Even in Kyle & Yost's run of New X-Men where the X-Men came off as negatively portrayed authority figures with that classic "adults can't do anything right, it's up to us" theme, the senior X-Men weren't INTENTIONALLY antagonistic.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 08, 2009, 07:52:26 AM
There's a preview of Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth at Marvel.com  featuring the debut of Lady Deadpool (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.10573.first_look~colon~_lady_deadpool~apos~s_debut)

That page of Liefeld art is probably some of the best art I've ever seen Liefeld do. It's still undeniably Liefeld and the backgrounds are blatantly photoshopped but it's not nearly as bad as most of the work I've seen by him.  
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 08, 2009, 08:36:58 AM
Ugh. DP: merc with a mouth is literally the worst deadpool book on the stands. Even gimmicky DP teamup 898 and 899 are better. But yes... that art is ok for Liefield. He wasn't all too bad in DP 900 either, even though all his trademarks keep showing up such as awkward anatomy/poses.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thalaw2 on December 08, 2009, 10:23:17 AM
"Lady Deadpool" - I think I'm gonna be sick.  In this day and age isn't it insulting to use women like this?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on December 08, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
Lady Deadpool? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!! That is horrible. Exactly why is Cap fighting them both out above the clouds? When I look at her, I just think of all the other image bad girls he ever drew. It's all of them with just different color pallets. Oh, anybody notice that Cap changes shield arm twice in that?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on December 08, 2009, 06:33:30 PM
Yeah, it shows the shield on his left arm in panel 2 and on his right in the rest.

Meh. This would actually look worse I think: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellechere/4067815442/

And that is a real person in a costume.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 10, 2009, 04:28:56 AM
Ok, I admit it... Nation X was much better than the previews led me to believe. With that said, it was still completely average and had voice issues. I feel like I'm really losing my connection to all these characters, and it kinda worries me, considering that the X-men are my go-to fave characters the majority of the time.

1. Magneto story (2)

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2. Nightcrawler and Wolverine (2)

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3. Iceman (2.5)

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4. Colossus (2)

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I know I rated everything a 2, but it really was quite an average read. It's 3-worthy at best when taken as a whole and not individual parts. No story stands out at all as being strong, and you can really tell these are all "missing character beats" that aren't being explored in Uncanny, Astonishing, or Legacy. Honestly, these anthology books for every big change in the X-men universe (2 a year) aren't cutting it because the concepts aren't strong enough. Instead of giving us more insight, it just feels very cookie cutter and a splash back of things readers have already stated. Nothing felt new or intriguing at all, and I'm really tired of Colossus's story now. Speaking of Colossus, I'm fairly sure his tattoo disappeared. I can't say that's a bad thing. Anyway, Jubilee is on the cover for next issue, so I may browse issue 2 for her.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 10, 2009, 04:57:54 AM
I have a serious problem with the Magento story. I also have an important question (two actually) about the Iceman story.

Magneto:

The X-Men ignore the kids when they say Mercury has gone missing in the caves?  So they're not even going to try to find her? (albeit the kids didn't come very believable. "the ghost got her" is something a 4 year old might say, not a teenager). This is exactly the same as when the X-Men brushed off the kids theory about Nimrod and then went off to a wedding when there were terrorists directly targeting the kids, who'd killed more than half of them. In both versions, it wasn't simply a matter of not believing them, it was negligence.

Iceman:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 10, 2009, 05:02:38 AM
Iceman:

The parts in captions are to himself. He never lets anyone else know what he really thinks. He just continues the brave/jokey front while actually hating the situation he's in. It kinda contrasts a bit with how Fraction writes him, but not going down that route today... for once. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 10, 2009, 05:25:43 AM
That doesn't make sense though. If the parts in caption boxes are Iceman talking to himself, why is he all like "Life is great, I'm so awesome, I'm gonna hit on the hot girl and give the kids a hard time, and give Namor a hard time, I love myself" and then later on be like "Oh, I don't WANT to act like this, but I have to, it's for everybody's sake". That kinda story kinda falls apart if we already hear what Iceman's thinking in his head, and on the inside he came off just as bad (worse even) than he was outwardly.

[edit: I just wanted to add, I was thinking about it, and I came to a realization. This story would have worked much better as a Hellion story than as an Iceman story.  Hellion actually acted like a bully in his early appearances, and even as time went on and he got along better with the other characters he still kept some of his edge. It woulda been more believable than Iceman, whose been shown multiple times to be more mature/nicer than this.]
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 10, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Let's jump off X-men and go to New Avengers annual for a bit. Did anyone read that? I've heard rumblings that Bendis once again jumped ahead of Captain America Reborn and...

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If that's true, it's worse than the Spider-woman early reveal that Loeb did during Secret Invasion. And I'll just assume this takes place before the big reveal in DA Annual because of Bucky's response.

[edit] Seems Inv. Ironman 21 also spoils Captain America Reborn... ya know, they could've just had the final issue come out a bit earlier instead of having three books with three different timelines basically tell us the outcome.

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 10, 2009, 05:01:17 PM
Cap Reborn was supposed to be over by now but got an extra issue, and of course you can't rush Bryan Hitch - you're lucky if he runs on time at all.
The real problem is Siege though, as Cap has a core role in it and Marvel didn't want to delay all the many books connected to it.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: udasu on December 11, 2009, 05:07:42 AM
Seems a bit anticlimactic, but

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BWPS on December 16, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Spider-Man is such a ridiculous book. I've been reading some of the issues since BND up to around 570 and I really don't know why, it's in its own class of stupid. I'd really rather instead of 3 issues a month having 1 halfway-decent issue a month. The terrible reboot did offer a great chance to make the book awesome, but they must have found the three worst writers ever. Peter just seems so stupid and annoying. The worst is that they just keep coming up with new villains and it's just agonizingly lame.
Menace *Is a new goblin but I think she's a GIRL? Why not just bring back hobgoblin?
Freak *Is a drug addict who turns into a giant beast from animal DNA or something. Every time he dies he comes back immune to what killed him for example bullets. So he's big and stupid and loves drugs and isn't much of anything else.
Mr. Negative Man * he's literally just a crime boss/charity worker with a photoshop filter and some kind of negative powers that cure cancer?
Overdrive *The worst of the worst. He transforms vehicles into "pimped-out" versions so they grow rockets and stuff to go fast I hate it so much. Why not bring back Rocket Racer? Despite the terrible name, he's a decent villain.
Kraven's daughter * A GIRL version of Kraven who just fails at everything she tries. This issue was especially terrible as Spider-Man gets Daredevil's costume instead of just putting on a ski mask and then leaves her to die at the hands of Rattitude (his name is actually Vermin, but if he had been made by this team of writers, it would have been a GIRL and it would have been named Rattitude).
Jackpot * Not actually a villain, but she's supposed to seem like she's Mary Jane and she talks like Mary Jane, but she's not so its just supposed to be like a tease or something but really makes no sense as to why she acts/looks like Mary Jane. She also serves the same exact same role as Black Cat who is already a girl but they'd probably name her Catastrophe if they'd come up with her.
Screwball * Another GIRL. Her name is kind of gross, but it was in an issue called The Money Shot and her costume looks like a gamete. But I know its supposed to be a baseball. Still, terrible character.
Anti-Venom * Eddie Brock is effected by the negative powers and when Scorpi-Venom touches him, he becomes... Anti-Venom... Honest to god. The best part was I knew exactly what he'd look like. Yup, white costume with black lines. They seriously made a reverse-Venom in a modern comic book and think that's cool.

And yet I still read it, wishing it were halfway decent.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on December 16, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
Spider-Man is such a ridiculous book. I've been reading some of the issues since BND up to around 570 and I really don't know why, it's in its own class of stupid.
...

And yet I still read it, wishing it were halfway decent.

Thus why I preview in the bookstore, decide it's garbage, and resist the impulse to pay for it...
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 16, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Wow, BWPS... Murs has a habit of calling me critical or stating I have too high of a standard, but you ripped Spidey BND apart much more than I ever have... well, outside of my annoyance with the web shooters constantly jamming in the first few months (and they haven't since), how long it took to finish storylines (not really an issue anymore I hear... but then again, half of the new cast disappeared/stopped being active), and the constant pushing of boundaries (I.E., constant sex talk and scenarios for the past few months, crazy (maybe racist depending on the author) Latina chick, and Peter swearing more than I've ever seen him doing before BND). BWPS... thank you. Now, I can shut Murs up for good. :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: detourne_me on December 16, 2009, 11:14:11 PM
I dunno Prev, BWPS's commentary borders on misogynistic and irrational.  I personally enjoyed the aftermath of BND.  you can never go wrong with good JR Jr. art!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: herodad1 on December 16, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
whats going on with the new avengers and luke cage? i only buy one book and thats THOR. while reading it i saw a advertisement showing luke  lying on an operating table? someone please fill me in on that one!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on December 16, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
Ugh, New Avengers - a book I wish was good but isn't. 

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: herodad1 on December 16, 2009, 11:58:25 PM
thanks for the info! stuff like thats why ive all but quit buying comics. ever since THOR's return, his books have been really good.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on December 17, 2009, 01:40:14 AM
BWPS... thank you. Now, I can shut Murs up for good. :P

Always trying to censor me...always.

I'm the modern cow-bell, Prev. Accept it

"More Murs."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on December 17, 2009, 04:09:06 AM
No we don't need more Murs-bell
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BWPS on December 17, 2009, 05:57:34 PM
I dunno Prev, BWPS's commentary borders on misogynistic and irrational.  I personally enjoyed the aftermath of BND.  you can never go wrong with good JR Jr. art!
Definitely can't complain about the art most of the time though I'd prefer just one artist. And keep in mind I haven't really read many of the issues where Romita was working yet.

Also I don't really buy them, I just read on digital comics.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 17, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
I enjoy the BND comics, but they do have problems. I love Mr Negative though, and all the Kraven stuff has me very excited. It's an uneven comic I think, but I still like it.

I'm in finals right now so I'm backlogged on comics, but I wanted to point out the new X-Factor Forever mini:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.10723.sneak_peek~colon~_x-factor_forever
Series doesn't interest me much but I love the new designs. Very Morrison. I'd probably skin them if I ever found time.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 17, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
Stop teasing, Pod. We're still waiting on the rest of your X-force skins. :P.

I'm greatly amused that marvel keeps pushing for this "hidden years" type shtick with the first 2 classes of X-men. Despite my love for X-factor vol. 1, I was actually hoping this would tie in more with Alex's team. *shrugs*. Gotta admit the majority of the characters on the [then] revamped X-factor team are pretty underused at the moment.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 17, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
Stop teasing, Pod. We're still waiting on the rest of your X-force skins. :P.

Of course X-Force comes first. Hoping to work on them on the Christmas break.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 18, 2009, 01:23:54 AM
Quick reviews of stuff I read this week:

X-force #22 (3):

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X-factor #200 (3.5):

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Captain America Reborn #5 (3):

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In other news, since I spent so much time on X-based books, I just realized Cable's last arc is going on now before he returns to 616 and we get the next BIG X-event ("Second Coming"... and whatever anthology series that follows it). I can only say two things. They are as follows: "Thank the heavens. I now know the same premise can be used for 24 straight issues before Marvel sees fit to stop it."; "The X-men are becoming too plot-holey, and Bishop needs to go away. Why Forge and not him?!"
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2009, 03:30:09 AM
I passed on X-Factor this week. I'm just not that interested in the book or the characters anymore.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on December 20, 2009, 01:45:54 AM
I REALLY want to know where the Hope story is going.....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on December 21, 2009, 02:19:46 AM
As far as Hope goes, my guess is:
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 22, 2009, 06:21:23 AM
So, who's ready for the DP corps (http://www.comicvine.com/deadpool/29-7606/deadpool-corps-artwork-first-look-at-lady-deadpool/92-416101/) next year? And DP's role in Doomwars? DP = The New Wolverine/Emma.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on December 22, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
DP corps is especially interesting as he's found a female version of himself to hangout with.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 22, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Eh, I'm thinking female DP is just Dr. Betty... I.E., one of his supporting cast mates in Merc w/ a Mouth.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on December 22, 2009, 11:21:40 PM
so who's the kid
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 25, 2009, 12:21:33 AM
Astonishing X-men What If? (3.5):

Soooo, if Jean would have been revived instead of Peter in the first arc of Astonishing X-men:

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But honestly, if you're tired of all the Phoenix, Emma vs. Jean, and Danger stuff, then you should skip this book. There's nothing here for you except a blahish backup comic strip.

Captain America: Who Will Wield the Shield? (4):

Even though Reborn STILL isn't over and Steve is appearing in various forms all over marvel, this one-shot by brubaker attempts to answer what Cap is dealing with after the conclusion of Reborn. It's a little odd to get his thoughts on something before the event is even over, but we're way past that point now. The big question post Reborn and Pre-Siege was this: Will Capt wield the shield and mantle in the near future. This one-shot seems to answer that while hinting at events we've still yet to experience. It's very hard to talk about this book without spoiling too much, but I will say it was an enjoyable, low-key read. There's not very much action, but it's the first time in a long while that anyone has gotten into the brains and thoughts of Steve Rogers and where he sees himself headed in the future. If you're a fan of Cap (Steve or Bucky), I recommend you buy or browse this issue.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on December 25, 2009, 12:49:37 AM
So who will wield the shield?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on December 25, 2009, 12:57:40 AM
So who will wield the shield?

Buy the book, dannit! So lazy! :P

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 05, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
MMK, I'm just now getting around some of the books I have sitting in my "to read" stack. Let's jumpkick this thread back off for tomorrow, shall we?

New Mutants #8 (3):

This issue was relatively simple. Dani and Sunspot attempt to get Amara to safety so that she can be healed and Karma, Sunspot, and Magik attempt to save Cypher. The whole issue is basically a giant fight scene between the Hellions and the New Mutants with very little breaks between them to move the narrative forward.  However, Magik and her soul sword do have a prominent part of the story and are used to restore a certain character, or two, that were once "dead."


Of interest to those that care, The Siege #1, which comes out tomorrow, is not getting the greatest reviews. This has me worried that it'll be another Bendis event blunder. Maybe my thoughts will be proven wrong, but I doubt it.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: udasu on January 07, 2010, 01:56:18 AM
I read Siege #1

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on January 07, 2010, 02:45:26 AM
I read Siege #1

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Please elaborate you now have my attention.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on January 07, 2010, 02:56:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on January 07, 2010, 03:55:23 AM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 07, 2010, 05:54:25 AM
I got it and I thought it was pretty good. It was surprisingly less talky than Bendis typically is which was a pleasant surprise.
Also the art was fantastic.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 07, 2010, 06:12:43 AM
The art was good, but I found it blah (overall) myself. Also, Volstagg never appeared again after the beginning DESPITE the "heroes" that kicked off the whole thing, that no one seemed to recognized despite being the official team of that state, iirc, being there. Also, I wasn't fond of the Thor fight. He generally did nothing.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 07, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
I'm sure that nobody would be surprised that I disliked "Siege" #1.
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on January 07, 2010, 07:46:55 PM
tommyboy, Bendis is NOT the Liefeld of writing. That would be Jeph Loeb. Or maybe Chuck "has no sense of what continuity is" Austen.

I don't like Bendis mainly because his best talent is padding - being able to stretch something that could be done in one or two issues into a 4 to 6 parter. Other than that, he's a decent enough writer, but he's too wordy at times.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on January 07, 2010, 09:04:22 PM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 07, 2010, 09:42:04 PM
On the Volstagg front, if you picked up "The Siege: Embedded," it turns out that Volstagg is just walking from Chicago back to Oklahoma and has now joined up with Ben Ulrich and some other journalist on said trip. Ironically, while Norman and his team are out fighting everyone on Asgard, the media/gov't/police just allowed Volstagg to wander from the event with no type of resistance as he tries to turn himself in for judgment. And since this is a big event, you know Ben will be the major character of this book as he once again tries to bring Norman down (and yes, Volstagg told Ben what happened from his POV).

The thing that really concerns me on The Siege front is how easily Norman manipulated and conned everyone into his plan. When you have EVERYONE working for you saying it's a bad idea and it takes less than a page to get them all on your side, it just says "rushed" to me. It really doesn't help that Norman's Dark Reign has done nothing for Norman's character except make him look incompetent, and it didn't help out or redefine Marvel's universe very much at all.

BTW, can anyone inform me as to why Volstagg was in Chicago anyway when he was last seen in town with Thor/Donald?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 07, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
tommyboy, Bendis is NOT the Liefeld of writing. That would be Jeph Loeb. Or maybe Chuck "has no sense of what continuity is" Austen.

I don't like Bendis mainly because his best talent is padding - being able to stretch something that could be done in one or two issues into a 4 to 6 parter. Other than that, he's a decent enough writer, but he's too wordy at times.

Well, at the risk of beginning a slightly futile argument, I would support my contention and dispute yours as follows:
Chuck Austen has a sense of continuity. During his widely disliked run as Avengers writer, in issue 78 (#493 by the old numbering) he has the Wrecking Crew appear as villains. Thunderball, who has previously been shown to actually be an educated man, (from wikipedia:"Dr. Eliot Franklin was born in Buffalo, New York. He became a brilliant physicist and engineer whose greatest claim to fame was inventing a miniature gamma-ray bomb, something that Dr. Robert Bruce Banner (better known as The Hulk) was unable to do at that time. Dr. Franklin was often called "The Black Bruce Banner" because of his genius-level intellect and his scientific knowledge in the field of gamma radiation.") discusses literature and quotes Frederic Douglass:"Such a worthy woman of letters. It would be a shame to end the life of one so intelligent and well-read". His speech patterns, vocabulary and actions are those of an intelligent, albeit evil man. This is in keeping with previous continuity.
During Thunderball's appearances written by Bendis his dialogue is things like "Dizzy broad" (New Avengers #55), "What the ~@&??" (NA #56), etc in other words, Thunderball is written as if he were a big strong dumb guy. No continuity.
Jeph Loeb appears (to me) to be able to write more than one character, and to actually know the meaning of the words he uses. Bendis does not.
You may dislike their writing intensely, and be able to point to faults in their writing, but I would argue that both Loeb and Austen can spell, have a vocabulary of more than 200 words, understand what a story is, and can tell one.

Bendis, like Liefeld, is highly stylized. You can recognize his verbal tics as easily as Liefeld's missing feet and many many pouches. Like Liefeld he repeats the same few things over and over, and like Liefeld is an astute and rapacious self-publicist. Like Liefeld, Bendis is at the forefront of a "new" movement in mainstream comics and has successfully captured the imagination of a lot of buyers of comics. New Avengers is the X-force/Youngblood of its day, outselling all others, and feted by those for whom sales are the pinnacle of quality. It sells well, but is laughably bad, and is the sort of comic which makes me as an adult once again ashamed to admit to reading comics.

Now, however much one might wish to pursue the argument that there is no bad art or writing, (merely art or writing which is not to ones taste), an inability to master basic human anatomy IS bad art. An inability to write more than ones own voice IS bad writing.
Liefeld is a bad artist, Bendis is a bad writer. If they ever work on a comic together I suspect that would be a portent of the End Of Days, I'm pretty sure they specifically mention it in both Revelations, the writings of Nostrodamus and at the end of the Mayan calender. I would sooner gouge out my eyes than witness such a thing...
Err... I digress a little...
Aaaanyway, he IS the Liefeld of Writers, so there. Ten times anything you say, and no returns.


(And murs, I've read Bendis' Daredevil. It was boring, talky, repetitive, self indulgent and everyone spoke in the same voice. The attempts at legal drama were risible, even for superhero comics. You might as well have told me to do myself a favour and read X-Force for Liefeld's art.)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on January 08, 2010, 12:13:20 AM
Um... if I may interject here, I would say that Liefield, having written several horrible horrible comics, is in fact the Liefield of comics. Really Tommy, Whatever you feel about Bendis (which I am not unsympathetic too), at least he's better then Liefield. Give him that much, at least.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 08, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
Um... if I may interject here, I would say that Liefield, having written several horrible horrible comics, is in fact the Liefield of comics. Really Tommy, Whatever you feel about Bendis (which I am not unsympathetic too), at least he's better then Liefield. Give him that much, at least.
Nope.
He writes as well as Liefeld draws. I never said he was the Liefeld of comics, but rather asserted that Bendis is the Liefeld of writing.
Of course Liefeld writes badly as well. And of course Bendis draws badly too. Neither writes nor draws well. One is known primarily as a bad artist, the other as a bad writer, both have sold so many comics that I despair.
And that's my annual Bendis rant over. See you next year everybody.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 08, 2010, 12:44:47 AM
Umm.... have you read Liefelds' writings? He IS the Liefeld of writing.

[edit] Ninja'd. Damn.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: murs47 on January 08, 2010, 01:09:13 AM
And that's my annual Bendis rant over. See you next year everybody.

I can't wait! :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on January 08, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
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And Ultimate Spider Man. ;) :D
Aaaanyway, he IS the Liefeld of Writers, so there. Ten times anything you say, and no returns.


(And murs, I've read Bendis' Daredevil. It was boring, talky, repetitive, self indulgent and everyone spoke in the same voice. The attempts at legal drama were risible, even for superhero comics. You might as well have told me to do myself a favour and read X-Force for Liefeld's art.)
Eh...I'll disagree with ya there partner but...I whole-hearted respect your opinion. ;)Wrong as you are. :rolleyes: :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 08, 2010, 10:31:34 PM
So Iron Man is getting a new armor soon:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/New-Iron-Man_02.jpg)

It's alright but I thought the Granov armor was prefect. I'm really quite disappointed that they're moving on from it.
The shoulder separation on the new armor really bugs me.


On Bendis, he definitely has his weaknesses, but he's written stuff I've really liked, and of course stuff I didn't care for. I've enjoyed most of his Ultimate Spider-Man, but haven't really cared for much of his Avengers stuff.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on January 08, 2010, 10:59:05 PM
I like it...for the most part but I agree the separation bugs me. For the "gauntlets and boots" as well...it needs to be red in those sections. I also bugged by the "big toe" separation...Ninja Iron Man...that's all we need. I hope that this isn't the final version but the overall thought behind the design I dig. ;)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: ghazkul on January 08, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
I like the armour. At least it will be easier to skope then the last few have been. Actually I think I can hear Tommyboy screaming. It has a City Of Heroes feel for some reason.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thalaw2 on January 09, 2010, 01:50:51 AM
I haven't been following much Iron Man....is the armor still bonded to him?  If so how can it change?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Courtnall6 on January 09, 2010, 06:33:52 AM
Meh...it looks more like a tight bodysuit Tony would where under his armour...not as his actual armour.

I just feel sorry for the poor SOB who has to draw this design...page after page and panel after panel...for 20+ pages. Don't expect issues of Ironman to come out on a timely fashion anymore.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 09, 2010, 11:46:26 AM
Gang, here are a couple of prevews/synopses that caught my attention... and not all of them for good reason:

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Also, I'd like to point out the absurdity of how many Marvel events are going on right now.

1. The Siege
2. Realm of Kings (space)
3. Spider-man Gauntlet
4. Doom War
5. Attack on Olympus
6. Fall of Hulks
7. Nation X
8. Necrosha (which seems to have sped by in New Mutants... welcome back, Cypher)
9. Second Coming

Doesn't that seem like a little TOO much to be happening? Every book seems to be tied up in some event to the point of inanity. I disapprove. Also, can anyone let me know what's going on with Red Hulk and the She-Hulks? Will we now be getting 5 Hulk family on-goings (Incredible Hulk, Hulk, Red Hulk, The Savage She-hulks, Skaar) or what?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 09, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
The mildly ironic bit about the new Iron man suit is the classic mk5 armour was streamlined till they added loads of shoulderpads and flashlights to it. This new one isn't terrible but isn't a great design either. Isn't there a principle that says you should be able to recognize a character in silhouette? And the colour scheme is indistinct and too fiddly. It looks like an MUA2 alternate costume. And unless its what hes wearing in Iron Man 2 the movie, wont it hurt sales a little, too?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 10, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
I quite like the new armour. I think Tony needs something like this, something a bit more futuristic-looking, a bit more streamlined, so that when he's back in action it's clear that Osborn is/was just a total poser and Stark is the real deal.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on January 11, 2010, 08:02:53 PM
Is it just me, or is anyone else wondering how the torso of this new Iron Man armor is supposed to rotate at the waist like a human's would naturally?

The lines would suggest that it could not, unless that metal is flexible.  And if it was, why bother with joints at all?

If -I- were Iron Man, I'd be wanting armor that's MORE articulated, not less.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 14, 2010, 04:22:54 AM
I read this week's Spidey with the new Rhino. I really liked it, it's a great story for the original Rhino. I hadn't read much Joe Kelly before his Spidey tenure but I've really liked his stories.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 14, 2010, 04:58:31 AM
Thanks for the short review, Pod. Rhino was in Web of Spidey recently as well, and I recall that to be an adequate tale as well.

As for my reads, I checked out X-nation #2. It was average. Art went from great to bleh the further I got into the book. The Jubilee tale didn't really amount to much, though she seems to have taken on her older style and for some reason, Surge has an issue with her. I'm sure I missed something. As for Northstar, his story had less to do with Utopia and more to do with him not operating correctly because he missed his boyfriend.

The other two stories weren't as memorable. One featured Quentine Quire as a super villain vs. Martha Johansson in a game of mind control, and the other one featured Gambit trying to come to terms with his darkside and the fact that Cyclops forgave him.

In other news, Marvels Project #4 is still going strong with this issue revolving around Angel/Thomas Holloway trying to tie up loose ends in his investigation, the official creation and first mission of Captain America, and Nick Fury's adventures in Germany against the Red Skull.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 14, 2010, 07:10:53 AM
Thanks for the short review, Pod. Rhino was in Web of Spidey recently as well, and I recall that to be an adequate tale as well.

As for my reads, I checked out X-nation #2. It was average. Art went from great to bleh the further I got into the book. The Jubilee tale didn't really amount to much, though she seems to have taken on her older style and for some reason, Surge has an issue with her. I'm sure I missed something. As for Northstar, his story had less to do with Utopia and more to do with him not operating correctly because he missed his boyfriend.

The other two stories weren't as memorable. One featured Quentine Quire as a super villain vs. Martha Johansson in a game of mind control, and the other one featured Gambit trying to come to terms with his darkside and the fact that Cyclops forgave him.

I thought the Martha Johansson's tales was cute - especially since we never knew she had thoughts (well it was hinted from Ernst btw where is Ernst?).

The Jubilee tale was good until Nori went totally out of character - like totally. Hello David and Danni are still on the island and she is hating on Jubilee? Though upon reading it again (yeah I read comics twice) it seemed more of an Asian thing than a mutant thing (black folks will understand).

The Northstar story was cute but confusing. I thought the Black guy was trying to break up with Jean-Paul but it turns out he doesn't want to be around mutants who are always in danger (completely understandable) but I thought Jean-Paul was adorable in this tale. So gay, so lovable.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 14, 2010, 12:49:02 PM
Heh, AA. I wish I could enjoy some of the stories like you did. I noted you ignored Gambit altogether. I... don't blame you. ^_^.

Jubilee:

My problem with her tale is that it didn't really develop anyone, so now I have to wait until March to see what Jubes and X-23 have in store. Lame. The Surge thing though... meh. I know she has her little moments where she'll just unjustifiably target someone, but she doesn't even know Jubilee. None of the kids actually know her... so that whole setup was weird to me. I know Jubilee was around the mansion once or twice when they were around, but for the majority of them to like her so much means they had more bonding time than any of us readers are aware of. I'd rather see Jubilee, Emma, and Monet interact again. Imagine the quips, tude, and attempts at being queen "B."

Sidenote: Surge needs to come off it. She's living on an island with "powerless" prostitutes for heaven's sake. And no, I'm not taking shots at Emma.

Martha:

I don't have a problem with this story, I just didn't find it as memorable. I mean, I suspected Quentin would return (I said it a few pages back), but I thought an actual story would be built around him instead of, "I'm back and wanna be bad despite my last few appearances showing me as remorseful and heading towards the good side." It just seemed like a major regression on his part. Also, I thought he and Martha were like best friends at one point? Maybe that's why he chose her, though the ending was kinda... eh? Martha didn't look to be in good shape.

-Sidenote, I found the caption style in that story odd. Martha's box was written in second person, so I was wondering if there was an unnamed narrator telling what she was essentially thinking/doing.

Northstar:

Let me start off with, how should I feel about this story portraying Blindfold about to shoot a basketball at someone lifting weights? :P My issue with this story, other than how badly Northstar and Jean Marie were written, is that it sent very confused messages.

Message 1: "It's OK to bring trouble to your friends (war wolves? they're relevant?) when you're missing your boyfriend, and then you can completely ignore them until said boyfriend leaves. While with your boyfriend, be so dominant that you don't hear a simple request repeated 3 or more times."

And I'm pretty sure arrogant Northstar can fight better than he was portrayed here, but I understand the "War Wolves" weren't the meat of the story.

Message 2: "Be happy to be with your boyfriend, but don't even attempt to be a part of his world. Seriously, outside of maybe a few hours stay, don't try again."

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the intended message, but Kyle was ready to go the second he and Northstar got out of bed. At that point, nothing bad had happened. I understand the need for normalcy, but Kyle/Jean Paul have been together for at least 2 months (dunno how long they were together when Kyle was introduced in Uncanny). Everything around them as a couple just falls flat to me because they have never been built up at all. As a light, fluff tale, I suppose it's fine, but the messages it unintentionally carries bring it down to me.

My ranking: Issue #1 > Martha > Jubilee > Northstar > .... > ... > Gambit.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 15, 2010, 01:26:14 AM
I hated the Gambit story. The only thing I liked was the art.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 18, 2010, 04:00:27 AM
So, how is Kitty coming back? You can thank Magneto for doing it as a trust building exercise! Because, obviously, he's been trying so hard to regain the X-men's trust (I think Fraction's overplaying his supposed "Magneto redemption" plot points.).

Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24423
"The X-Men may not have reacted by thinking, 'He's here. Let's punch him!' But they still don't trust him. So I wanted to build that [trust] by having him give a gift to the X-Men, who are now his people, in the form of Kitty. It felt very right in this weird, full-circle way," Fraction continued. "It brought all these people back and made sense; especially with the way things are with the current 'Nation X' storyline and the emotional and character arcs we've been telling for the past eight months."

Before Fraction implemented his plan to bring Kitty back to the X-Men, he sought out feedback from a fellow creator. "I called Joss Whedon and ran it by him. I enjoyed and respected the job he and John did on 'Astonishing X-Men,' so his approval meant a lot to me. I felt like I was asking if it was okay if I dated his daughter," Fraction joked. "I wanted to make sure that the guy who wrote Kitty's exit approved, and when he said he liked what we wanted to do, it fired me up to do this crazy story."

Kitty's return comes at what seems like a busy time for the X-Men. "Uncanny" #522 is the final installment of the current "Nation X" arc, a story which has found the X-Men dealing with Magneto joining their ranks, the threat of a mysterious new set of enemies and the infrastructure problems stemming from the move to their new island home of Utopia. "Issues #520-521 are kind of the wrap up to 'Nation X,' and #522 serves almost as an epilogue or a coda. Everything but the X-Men and Magneto story is resolved by #522," Fraction explained. "In issues #520-521, the other storylines terminate and everything focuses down to just Magneto and Magneto's return. Magneto problematizes the question of what exactly Utopia is. As 'Nation X' progresses, Magneto will realize that it's going to require deeds, not words, from him. So he decides to present a gift to the X-Men."
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 18, 2010, 04:54:02 AM
I hope this doesn't all end with Magneto having a secret plot and becoming a bad guy again. I like Magneto being a good guy.

The other interesting thing about the article is that it seems to confirm Fraction will be on Uncanny after Second Coming.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on January 18, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
I hope there is alwyas an X-Nation book keeping track of other x-characters, but I hope it improves soon.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 18, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
CBR has the early X-Solicits (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24440) and our artists for Second Coming are (drum roll):

Uncanny: Terry Dodson
New Mutants: Ibraim Roberson
X-Force: Mike Choi
Legacy: Greg Land

Also X-Factor is tying in.

So somehow Mike Carey drew the short stick. I was hoping Land would be out for this.
Also Cable ends that month as Deadpool and Cable #25, this made me smile a little. Also Deadpool is in at least 5 comics that month - he's giving Wolverine a real run for his money, will it ever end??
Lastly, how did X-Men Forever get up to 22 issues???
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 18, 2010, 06:04:37 PM
Yes, Cable is ending because of Second Coming. X-men Forever will be at issue 22 because it comes out 2 times a month (semi-monthly). It's the ASM of the X-men world... minus an issue.

Also, I find it sad that Greg Land is actually affecting my decision to buy Legacy. I didn't know he would influence my thinking so much in regards to books I considered buying.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 20, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
AfghanAnt's Quick Dark Avengers #13 Overview:

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: GhostMachine on January 20, 2010, 10:20:43 PM
AA, after reading your blog, I think Bendis has lost his mind. I'm not Jewish, but I'm generally offended by anything that's offensive to Jews given the history of the Jewish people and all they've gone through, and this crap with Sentry also offends me as a non-practicing (ie, I don't attend church, but do believe in God) Christian, for obvious reasons. (I'm Baptist)

I honestly think Judeo-Christian figures making appearances should be a no-no in comics. (Erik Larsen's use of God and the Devil in Savage Dragon made me ill) I like how DC handles things with the Spectre; you know he's the embodiment of the Wrath of God and that the Voice who speaks occasionally is God, but at least they have the sense to not come right out and say it or show God. Of course, I'm sure if there are any people around who still worship the Greek/Roman or Norse gods, they're probably just as offended by their use....

Frankly, I'm hoping Marvel ends up killing Sentry off sometime soon. He was a stupid idea to begin with, and if they can't depower him some and settle on a definitive origin and background for him, he really doesn't need to exist.

Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 20, 2010, 11:56:17 PM
I understand how you would think ill of the idea but the whole only these people's religious figures can appear in comic books seems to be a bit of cultural bias.

How many African and Indigenous gods have appeared in the pages of Thor? Tons. How often is Eastern religion and culture bastardized by Western comic writers? Often. Heck, one of Wonder Woman's major love interest was a main god from the world's third largest (and oldest) religion. Religious figures interacting in comics shouldn't call your faith into question anymore than Passion of Christ did to me (sure I feel my religion and people were demonized but what can I do, it's a work of fiction). So saying Jesus is off limit seems like a bit of "we can use your stuff, but you better not use our's".

See what I'm say?

Also how do you feel about characters like Son of Satan, Lilith and Mephisto? Are the enemies of your religion ok to fictionalize but not the heroes?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 21, 2010, 12:04:59 AM
I agree with AA. We tend to have a bias towards the Big G when it comes to our funny books. He's always off limits. However, everyone else's is fair game? Oh, and I loved the Savage Dragon. Of course Satan cheats. He's Satan!
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 21, 2010, 12:11:51 AM
I'm not going to speak on the religious aspects, as that is a grey area, but I will say that I really dislike Sentry. He's way too inconsistent (reviving people in Dark Avengers but exploding in Dark X-men just because X-man said they were friends?), he hasn't done anything important, and EVERYONE uses him as a glorified bodyguard. Sentry can go sit on an egg all day for all I care; I just don't want to see anything else about him until a new writer takes him on and gives him more of a purpose and direction. Maybe he can meet up with Cyclops and learn how to dispel the Void. Scott did it easily enough. -_-.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 21, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
I'm not going to speak on the religious aspects, as that is a grey area, but I will say that I really dislike Sentry. He's way too inconsistent (reviving people in Dark Avengers but exploding in Dark X-men just because X-man said they were friends?), he hasn't done anything important, and EVERYONE uses him as a glorified bodyguard. Sentry can go sit on an egg all day for all I care; I just don't want to see anything else about him until a new writer takes him on and gives him more of a purpose and direction. Maybe he can meet up with Cyclops and learn how to dispel the Void. Scott did it easily enough. -_-.

I'm actually hoping that this Dark Avengers story and Siege lead to some grand sacrifice. I'm not a Sentry hater (he has a neat design and if his crazy was done right it would be nice) but I would like it if he went far, far away for a long time.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 21, 2010, 02:57:42 AM
I don't hate the idea of the Sentry, just the execution - especially by Bendis.  The character needs to be taken away from him, and used very sparingly for some time.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 21, 2010, 04:17:34 AM
Not going to comment on the whole Sentry is Jesus thing, I'll need to read more about that, but I have mixed feelings about the Sentry in general. I like that Marvel tried to push a new character - that's usually a plus to me. I've always liked that Bendis takes characters that weren't being used or never really got started and tries to push them back into the spotlight, but I don't always like his portrayal of those characters. My big problem with the Sentry is that he supposedly has the power of one million exploding suns and yet I don't think I've ever seen him beat anyone (granted I don't read Bendis Avengers book with any regularity). The guy is supposed to be so powerful yet most of the time he's the first guy out.


In other news Mysterio got a redesign in the latest Spider-Man. He only had a brief appearance but at the moment I don't like the new design, although the revamped fishbowl is interesting. The issue otherwise was quite enjoyable. Actually the Gauntlet has been pretty decent. It's not exactly senses shattering - but that's probably a good thing.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: crimsonquill on January 21, 2010, 04:45:13 AM
I always thought The Sentry would work better if they made a new version of The Defenders and had them set up as watchdogs over the Earth in case of major events that would require a more omnihero level of attention. Sentry's base would allow the team to see where they would be most needed and if they were busy then contact a more local hero team in the area to handle things. I figured this would allow heroes like Doctor Strange to work on their own from time to time and Clock would contact him if a major crisis unfolded that required a more magical touch.

As for Sentry's constantly evolving origin.. I'm just enjoying the ride since I do love the concept but having him so inconsistently written (and having his power level bouncing between omniman and godman) and then hardly doing anything worth while in a storyline is bugging me quite often. He either is there to intimidate or take out a threat within a few moments before any real establishment could be made of what his powers are besides flying and being indestructable. I guess I'm with everyone else that Sentry ends up being a key to solving the big Avengers storyline that has been threaded through comics since he was first created and then vanishes once again (waiting for better writers many many many years down the road).

- CQ
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on January 21, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
At the risk of turning this into a religious debate... (but remember, we're just talking about something Marvel has done... if they bring religion into comics and this is a comics forum...)

If your religion teaches that there is ONE all-powerful God who created ALL other things, who through prophets and holy writings decreed that no other god should be worshipped and that no 'graven image' be created...

...well, wouldn't YOU be offended by some comic-book misrepresentation?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BWPS on January 21, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
At the risk of turning this into a religious debate... (but remember, we're just talking about something Marvel has done... if they bring religion into comics and this is a comics forum...)

If your religion teaches that there is ONE all-powerful God who created ALL other things, who through prophets and holy writings decreed that no other god should be worshipped and that no 'graven image' be created...

...well, wouldn't YOU be offended by some comic-book misrepresentation?
"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them;"

I think God is trying to put the ban on worshipping idols. I'm really hoping that no one starts to worship the fictional Sentry. Of course the beginning of the sentence wording does seem to be against creating any graven images of anything in heaven, on earth, or in the water in which case fake plants and those singing bass fish break the second commandment.

I can still understand someone being offended though, so I don't guess I'm really disagreeing with you. But I don't see anything wrong with the company using Jesus as a comic book character given that they've used almost every other religion's big guys (except Allah of course - some people take "offended" to whole new levels).
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 21, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
Which is why other religions should be just as offended when all their religious figures appear in comics in misrepresented forms. Where's the outrage there? Just another example of the old adage, "it's funny/fine when it's someone else."

But you know what really offends me? This:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_eew.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view&current=eew.jpg)

I'm so friggin offended. SO OFFENDED. I'm writing a letter. Who's in?


Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on January 21, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
I'm in Prem. What's more, while we're at it I'll kick Sentry's butt and end the religious nonsense.














... what? It's not like I'm suggesting me doing something difficult, like fighting Power Pack or Aquaman
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 21, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
I think that the problem here may be less the depiction of a religious figure in a comic, but rather that the Void, an evil, mass murdering entity with no redeeming features, is being identified as the same force as the one which Moses, Jesus et al were connected to. Thor, Hercules etc are generally portrayed as heroic and good. The "evil" members of their respective pantheons are shown as such, or at least there are antagonistic gods.
Bendis could have been trying to imply the Sentry is linked to the Good Deity, and the Void is the Devil/Satan/Manichean Other, but it reads as if the force saving the Israelites is the Void. That makes God Evil, or at the very least Amoral to an almost sociopathic extent.
To me, the whole thing smacks of a bid to court controversy and get attention, which of course is basic marketing these days. And its working, a bit.
 
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BentonGrey on January 21, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
AfghanAnt's Quick Dark Avengers #13 Overview:

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.........................Seriously?  That disgusts me.  Yeah, color me offended.  The Spectre is one thing (and a good use of those concepts), but this is something else.  Aligning something with a vague, possibly Judeo-Christian "God" is one thing, but when you bring in Jesus you are crossing a line into something more specific.  It is therefore more offensive when you portray it so...callously...for lack of a better term.  It's like saying..."people who wear white shirts..."  Well, if you have a white shirt, you might take notice, but it is easy enough to ignore.  However, if someone points directly at you and says, "YOU! You in the white shirt!" it is a bit harder to ignore.

You've cited examples of Thor and African gods showing up in comics, but Thor worship had pretty much completely died out a few centuries before Stan and Jack brought the God of Thunder into comics.  He had no more metaphysical weight than Zeus in the society of the day.  The same was true for many of the African gods, those which were actual deities, and not simply made up. (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/liongod.htm).  The same goes for the Egyptian gods.  I can't remember hearing about anyone worshiping Osiris in the last 500 years or so.

I mean, if you compare this to the use of the Christian God in, say, Sandman, the crass nature of it stands out even more.  Sandman used those concepts and mythologies to tell a really compelling story and wrestle with some fairly profound concepts....Marvel grabs onto them as a sales tactic.  While I didn't really like what Sandman did with the matter of my faith, it was obvious that Gaiman wasn't taking his subject matter for granted, and I can respect that.  I could read and enjoy (some of, not having read all of) those stories.

I sorta' wish I hadn't already quit buying Marvel books, so I could quit all over again. &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on January 21, 2010, 04:49:44 PM
Fortunately, I feel no compelling urge to burn Bendis at the stake.  I'd pray for the sake of his soul if I could work up any strong compassion to do so, but I've got plenty of more relevant things on my mind.

My main concern is for those impressionable minds who might be reading that stuff and getting the wrong ideas.

The Only remedy is still what it's always been... If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.  Since I haven't been reading along and don't have a subscription, it's all good.  I believe God is capable of handling everything else in His own way.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on January 21, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
the whole sentry thing was just meh to me, i finished the book and just thought what the hell was that. i honestly thought hmm seem bendis is going that route huh, i wont say i called it  dead on but i did think it was one of the ideas sentry could have been.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: herodad1 on January 21, 2010, 10:17:23 PM
dont like sentry and never will. i'm a marvel fan from the time i first picked up a comic but he's the worst superman rip-off yet. as far as GOD and JESUS...lets leave them out of comics. they will end up bendis-ized.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on January 22, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death

why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2010, 12:28:19 AM
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death

why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.

I thought of that and if he was the Angel of Death wouldn't it still be insulting to Judeo-Christian belief? The Angel of Death is after all who helped Moses free the Jews - that would make him a central figure to not only Jews but also Christians.

Either way Sentry has been empowered by G-O-D, instead of the various gods that run around Marvel comics currently.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: tommyboy on January 22, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death

why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.

Because:
From Wikipedia
"
?    This is what the LORD says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt?worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.    ?
     
? Exodus 11:4?6

The tenth and final plague of Egypt was the death of all Egyptian first born ? no one escaped, from the lowest servant to Pharaoh's own first-born son, including first-born of livestock. Before the plague, God commanded Moses to inform all the Israelites to mark lamb's blood on the doorposts on every door in which case the LORD (Yahweh in Hebrew, not the angel of death as is commonly thought - see Exodus 12:12-13 and Exodus12:29) will pass over them, thus sparing all the Israelite first-borns. This was the hardest blow upon Egypt and the plague that finally convinced Pharaoh to submit, and let the Israelites go."

So there you have it. It explicitly states that it is God who commands Moses in the scene Bendis shows us, and God who takes the lives of the first born. Not an Angel, but God. And God, in this comic, looks EXACTLY like the Void. Bendis is telling us, or at best strongly suggesting that we should infer, that God = Void. If not, then what is the point of the first two pages? And why have his mouthpiece for this issue, Lindy, spell it out for us?
If it's not the case, and it's yet another fake-out by Bendis, I would not be surprised, but it looks like God = Void to me, based on this comic.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 22, 2010, 06:21:57 AM
I think what Bendis is suggesting with this comic is some sort of Gnostic relationship, where the Sentry & the Void are two co-equal divine forces, one good and one evil, both basically infinitely powerful.  It's not the first time this sort of thing has been suggested in regards to Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism)

I personally don't find this any more offensive than Western comics stealing liberally from everyone else's mythologies; my main objection is that it's not very well done.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: thanoson on January 22, 2010, 06:26:54 AM
As a heathen, I can't wait for Sentry to go on a killing spree that forces the other heroes (gods included) to have to kill him to save the earth.


What?
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 22, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
On a lighter note about the sentry, anybody seen the siege promo art in the back of some comics? I have to say, I REALLY like the way Olivier Coipel draws him. I guess I just like Coipel in general, but the sentry needs some love.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on January 22, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
I'd rather they explain it as yet another delusion of Bob's insanity.....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 22, 2010, 10:49:16 PM
In other news, is anyone reading the 'Fall of the Hulks' nonsense?  I've been reading Incredible Hulk since it came back after World War Hulk, but Jeph Loeb & Rulk are my kryptonite, and they seem to be infesting all of the Hulk titles during this event.  Incredible Hulk 606 made very little sense to me because I'm not reading the other titles, and I think I'm dropping it until this event is over.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 22, 2010, 11:15:23 PM
Fall of Hulks and the events in Inc. Hulk 606 are a combination of Hulk, Savage She-Hulk, and Fall of Hulks Gamma and Alpha one-shots. If you're not buying all those things or actively reading spoiler reviews on them, I'd suggest leaving Hulk alone... as I have chosen to do. :P

All you really need to know is that sometime in the past, The Leader put together a group of villains in order to outsmart Banner and the rest of the MU. This partnership lasted through SEVERAL big events until Doom betrayed them. Betty showed up in Fall of Hulks: Gamma, but I don't remember the story behind her appearance because I didn't read the book.

Anyway, seeing Doom's castle blow up AGAIN (what? Is his castle the new X-mansion?) and seeing him say, "once more with feeling," amused me. And then he said, "what the devil," and I wanted him dead.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 22, 2010, 11:20:47 PM
I'd rather they explain it as yet another delusion of Bob's insanity.....

Y'know, after re-reading the issue, I personally get that vibe from it. The only people who claim the sentry has any ties to divinity is his wife and the void. His wife is pretty vague about it too, using it more as a description of his extreme power than an actual fact, and the void being the void, well, it seems like the sort of thing he'd run with to try and get the sentry to bend more to his desires. If the sentry believes he's above human judgement, then the void could just do whatever he wanted with little/no resistance.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 22, 2010, 11:27:43 PM
Just finished reading Hulk 606... um, I hope that backup was a drug induced dream because what happened to one of my favorite characters (She-hulk) IS NOT acceptable. I'm glad I'm dropping the Hulk line now.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: deano_ue on January 23, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.

how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Tomato on January 24, 2010, 08:56:21 AM
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.

how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn

You hire Joe Q.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 24, 2010, 06:31:40 PM
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.

how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn

You hire Joe Q.

More like you hire Jeph Loeb. Joe Q was on board for both.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 24, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
The Hulk event, which relies on 5 different books that you have to actively keep track of, was supposedly planned by Loeb, Pak, Van Lente (?), and others at a summit just like Ultimatum apparently was. Loeb and Joe Q do seem to be a common factor in these events.

Anyway, I'm going to spoiler tag this, but the reason She-hulk has been missing since Hulk 600 was finally revealed.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Of course, she'll most likely be back sometime during this event since this is her Anniversary and she has several books coming her way, but it really discourages me that Marvel writers have no issues with the unsavory events they lead characters through. It's hard for me to connect with characters when I'm constantly worried about what horrible thing can happen to them this week. Also, is it ironic that we found out what happened to Jen before we even discovered who Red Hulk is? Heck, we're closer to knowing who Red Shulk is than we are to understanding who Rulk might be.  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 24, 2010, 06:55:42 PM
Loeb and Joe Q do seem to be a common factor in these events.

Well Joe Q is involved, at some level, with everything that happens at Marvel, good or bad. Thus I blame Loeb more because he's probably the story lead for this event.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 24, 2010, 08:00:38 PM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 24, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Re: Hulk 606...

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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 24, 2010, 08:40:02 PM
Talavar,

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However, with the upcoming "Savage She-hulks" and other She-hulk related material (remember, it's her 30th anniversary this year), it's anybody's guess.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 24, 2010, 10:06:22 PM
Talavar,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

However, with the upcoming "Savage She-hulks" and other She-hulk related material (remember, it's her 30th anniversary this year), it's anybody's guess.


Well that's just great.   :thumbdown:  I'd avoided reading anything with Red She-hulk up to this point, so I'd missed that little tidbit. 

Is there a "farm," somewhere upstate, where Jeph Loeb can get sent to at this point?  Bendis can go with him to keep him company, I won't mind.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on January 25, 2010, 03:43:56 AM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on January 26, 2010, 08:24:57 PM
I'm expecting Jen to come back anyways.....
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Xenolith on January 27, 2010, 02:02:43 AM
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Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: marhawkman on January 27, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Exactly!  I'm still wondering if that abomination-lite "killed" by Lyra is actually dead.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread - The Heroic Age
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on January 27, 2010, 07:13:10 PM
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Heroic-Age_02a.jpg)

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Heroic-Age-Avengers-Announcement-100127.html#comments

Discuss...and I'll put the first "positive" post on the topic....I'm very excited to see what Marvel has in store. :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Talavar on January 27, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Looks like the right idea - though I still don't love that new Iron Man armour.  I'm pretty sure that's still Bucky as Cap though, judging by the costume.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 27, 2010, 08:34:09 PM
Yeah, Bucky is still Cap. That was already revealed a few issues ago. Steve is effectively taking a hiatus after Siege if his plan holds up.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on January 27, 2010, 09:08:29 PM
Yeah, Bucky is still Cap. That was already revealed a few issues ago. Steve is effectively taking a hiatus after Siege if his plan holds up.
Personally I think that they'll have Steve Rogers head whatever the next "world peace keeping force (or possibly superhuman initiative)" that will more than likely be introduced after H.A.M.M.E.R is dismantled...whether it be a new version of S.H.I.E.L.D or something along those lines. It would be a real let down to reintroduce Steve and then "put him on ice". Steve Rogers will bring his "outlaw" friends out of the cold..make everybody rightgeous and square with the law. A "true" leader to the superhuman community....just a theory. :rolleyes: ;)
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: steamteck on January 27, 2010, 09:39:11 PM
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I am sooo tired of these "edgier" invincible red Hulks.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Previsionary on January 28, 2010, 01:11:27 AM
In actual comic review news, I read X-men Legacy #232 today. I recommend it. 3.5 out of 5.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yeah, one day I'll return to those long reviews. Maybe. You guys don't miss them, right? :P
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 28, 2010, 05:26:21 AM
Heroic Age intrigues me, but I require more info. Beast's presence in particular is interesting.

Read a bunch of comics today. All were pretty decent. Enjoyed Guardians quite a bit, and this week's X-Force was the first Necrosha issue that I really dug. Rest of the arc was kinda meh. And another student died. Those kids just fall like flies.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BentonGrey on January 28, 2010, 06:14:50 AM
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back?  Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Podmark on January 28, 2010, 06:18:58 AM
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back?  Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.

I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Zippo on January 28, 2010, 07:39:17 AM
That "Heroic Age" image would be a pretty great Avengers lineup. I'm glad to see (hopefully) bucky still as Cap. I like Blkcasanova's idea of Steve becoming the next head honcho. I'd say the least fitting one is Gorilla Man, just because I can't imagine what would make him join the Avengers and leave his comrades in Atlas.
Then again, it might not be an avengers lineup at all.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: lugaru on January 28, 2010, 07:41:50 AM
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back?  Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.

I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.

Yup, great character, great series.

For me Spidey should not be officially on a team but honestly I have enjoyed him as an avenger... it gives him an audience for his wisecracks, a room full of straightmen.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on January 28, 2010, 01:03:15 PM
To me the image is more a repesentation of the "major" players in this "line wide" shift rather than a "team" line up. I most excited that Hawkeye is back to being Hawkeye...not the sword weilding Ronin. Clint Barton is "NOT" a ninja and that always bothered me about him being the character. I'd love to see Beast back in an Avengers line up. I just hope that Spider Man is still an Avenger....personally I thought is was a great move and finally a way to broaden his base. Spider Man is "THE" Marvel super hero too me....and I particularly love the depiction of him in Avengers....he has a way of keeping everyone honest. I still am getting used to the new Iron Man suit...but I don't hate it. I really hope that the art chores on the new Avengers title are done by Stuart Immonen....his New Avengers run has been "OUTSTANDING". :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread
Post by: BlueBard on January 28, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
Quote
To me the image is more a repesentation of the "major" players in this "line wide" shift rather than a "team" line up.

That was my take, too.
Title: Re: The Marvel Thread - The Heroic Age