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Title: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: B A D on August 10, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
Is pretty ....well... stupid.

Don't know what more to say about it. While Marvel seems to have righted its ship, and is steeped in continuity and <gasp> good stories (Herc, Future Foundations, Avengers, Captain America are all titles I started reading again),  DC has gone off the deep end and decided "hey, one more crisis couldn't hurt."

Well, don't know about you gang, but Im not interested in starting from scratch again. So I'm dropping every one of my DC books (which was down to 5 anyway) and trying some indies until they get their heads out of their butts over there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 12, 2011, 05:31:05 AM
Ehh, I've written about it on 'Mato's forum a good deal, so I won't rehash everything here, but I will say one thing that bears repeating.  For years and years I've been saying that DC needs to start with a clean slate, just wipe away continuity and just start over again.  They've made too many mistakes to fix with their selective editing.  What I've wished for (hoped against hope for) was for them to start over, but with clear directions.  I wanted them to know where Batman was going to end up, what would happen to Aquaman, or exactly what would happen when Speedy grew up. 

That was, after all, the idea behind the DCUG.  They could retell some of the best stories from previous years, especially those that were good ideas but just lacked in the execution, but they would have an end point in mind, and that would generate real, organic, and actually worthwhile change.  You could have old heroes step down and new heroes step up, and you could do it without torturing the originals and making everyone resent the new blood.  Anyway, I could go on about that forever.  I could, but it won't do any good because, of course, it remains just a dream.  The closest I'll come to it is in the DCUG. 

Instead, DC is going to try to have their cake and eat it too.  They're tearing a great deal down, but they're rebuilding on the same crooked foundations.  A lot of the same bad ideas from the current books are in evidence in their reboot.  All of the things that I hate about modern comics are alive and well in the future DC, or so it appears.  So yeah, I wish I could be excited, but I can't.  I will likely pick up the new Aquaman book, just to support the character, but I doubt I'll even read that for long.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 18, 2011, 01:07:43 PM
I wanted to remain optimistic about this whole reboot/reset/whatever thing, but for the most part, I've found the whole promotional process to be chaotic and a tad depressing, like a step backwards in many cases.  There are even times when I don't think that the people in charge even know what's going on. 

I guess I'll see how it plays out, maybe tradewait a bit on some titles, wait for reviews on others. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 18, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
Like Benton I already talked a lot about it int TOF, so I'll just remember some points:
-It's a "soft" reboot, some characters will be rebooted (Superman, Wonder Woman), others won't (Batman, GL). So DC is still studying which stories happened and  which don't. I don't think it can be called a "fresh start" and an "easy jump on" point.
While I would hate a full reboot (I'm very glad LSH won't be very affected by the reboot) it would make more sense. If everything is new, anyone can hop aboard, but it's harder to do this when you have to discover how "Death of Superman" and "Identity Crisis" fit in the new continuity. 

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Pod 2.0 on August 19, 2011, 03:49:40 AM
Yeah we talked about this alot over at ToF. I'm certainly disappointed but I do plan to give a few books a try, specifically Justice League, Teen Titans, and Superboy. I'll be keeping an eye of the Bat books too.

starting from scratch again.

Well it's not quite scratch. Some books (Green Lantern books, Bat books) have retained most of their continuity. But yeah other books appear to be restarting.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 23, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
Dislikes:
Superboy is unrecognizable as are several second tier characters (seriously I have no idea who this Wondergirl is but she isn't Cassie).
The timeline seems extremely too compressed to have happened in 5 years.
C-list characters seem to have been removed, replaced, or re-purposed (really Rose Wilson as Superboy's keeper and Karen Starr (Powergirl) as Mr Terrific's business partner is just pointlessly dumb. And where the #@$% is JAckson Hyde, Raven, Beast Boy, Steel and Donna Troy?).
The reversal of important character developments (Babs as Oracle vs Batgirl" - this is particularly disturbing for me considering how important Oracle has been to the DCU and to the idea that heroes come in different forms).
Giving Wonder Woman pants and removing this as fast as people started warming up to it - because you know she isn't Wonderful unless she's posed like a whore and wearing a bikini.
New characters just because (Bug, Lava Girl, and Big Purple Fist Lad have zero appeal to me as a life-long Titans fan. I don't mind new blood but when you've made the core of the team all-new,all-different and add new characters, I feel cheated because I read Teen Titans for Teen Titans not random new characters).
Wildstorm in the DCNU (I love the idea of Stormwatch as a title - it feels like the Authority/Planetary from what I've read about it).

Likes:
All-new number 1's and new creative teams (not going to lie I've ordered 3-months worth of JL, Action Comics, Teen Titans, Superboy, Stormwatch, and Aquaman)
Cyborg becoming a Justice Leaguer (despite what people are saying, it makes sense considering his history with the Superfriends show)
More diversity in the Justice League (two Koreans, four women, and 1.5 Black men - the league hasn't been this diverse since Morrison's run).
New Characters! (Element Woman and Lady Luck seem like they have a lot of potential and unlike what is being done with Teen Titans - I still know who the Justice League is and the additional of new characters doesn't feel so just because to me).
Action Comics with Grant Morrison (nuff said).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 23, 2011, 06:03:25 PM
I lost interest the minute the Doom Patrol was cancelled...And I'm not eager to see another rebooted Doom Patrol either.  A lot of DC history down the toilet again.

IMHO DC sucks!

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 25, 2011, 04:06:42 AM
Wait, wait, wait...so, I've been doing a bit more reading about this, and I was wondering if there was some small chance that this reboot might make Batman books palatable to me once again, something that hasn't been the case since the surprisingly excellent run of Batman Adventures and Batman and Robin Adventures.  So, what do I see?  The Robin of the reboot is Damian (which I know some of y'all like), but this makes ZERO sense.  If superheroes have only been around five years, Damian can't possibly even be alive, much less be Robin.  Assuming that his origin is even REMOTELY like the original one, he had to have been conceived by Talia and Batman, who meet through the superhero persona....so, what the heck?  I know that this isn't exactly earth shattering news.  We've noticed several things that make no sense, but this really aggravates me even more.  Here's a pretty legitimate reason to do what I've been wanting DC to do for ages, and maybe even get Dick Grayson back as Robin, to hopefully go on to a better transition than he original did, but instead we get a character that I don't care for and who doesn't even make sense.  Bah.  It looks like DC has succeeded in strengthening my resolve on my boycott. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Courtnall6 on August 25, 2011, 04:33:34 AM
From what I've read online Benton...Batman has been doing his thing for 10 years. No one thinks he actually exists...an urban legend. So apparently he's had time to have 15 Robins or whatever.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 25, 2011, 04:49:06 AM
I'll say that:

 I would have hoped for more of a "start from scratch" type reboot.

 I am looking forward to seeing Hank Hall back in his own book, as Hawk.

 I am dissapointed that the JSA is apparently non-existant in the DCnU, they were my main ties to DC for many years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on August 25, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
From what I've read online Benton...Batman has been doing his thing for 10 years. No one thinks he actually exists...an urban legend. So apparently he's had time to have 15 Robins or whatever.

For that matter, I would think that Clark Kent's been around for a lot longer than that.  He just didn't start out as Superman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on August 25, 2011, 03:56:19 PM
As I said on the ToF boards, I'll definitely be reading fewer DC titles after the reboot.  A bunch of books that I read are getting cancelled, and being replaced with titles or creative teams I have no interest in.

That said, I will definitely check out Grant Morrison on Action Comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 25, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
From what I've read online Benton...Batman has been doing his thing for 10 years. No one thinks he actually exists...an urban legend. So apparently he's had time to have 15 Robins or whatever.

Thanks for the clarification C. 

So...the very first year or so Bruce was Batman he got himself an illegitimate son?  Excellent....just excellent. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 25, 2011, 10:52:33 PM
Dan Didio said (maybe as a joke), "Robin was a intern job" to explain how Bats had so many partners in so little time. Anyway, Didio and Lee said the reboot was necessary to get "younger, less-experienced and more relatable" heroes. But how can Bats be "younger" if Dick is still a grown up who was Robin, Nightwing and even Batman? Will Dick be older than Superman (who does look younger in the new Superman comics)?
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 26, 2011, 12:03:52 AM
I guess DC thought Batman was fine (read Grant Morrison) as, like I've been saying, the Bat books are almost untouched by the reboot. Off the top of my head there's three changes - Dick returns to being Nightwing, Barbara returns to being Batgirl, and presumably Stephanie will be returning to being Spoiler. And apparently all those changes will be explained in story. I think everything else is essentially the same. Even all the main writers are staying on (Morrison, Synder, Daniels, Finch).

I prefer it this way. I love most of the current Batverse and to reset it to the beginning would kind of suck. And you know creators would just rush to get Dick back to Nightwing, and introduce Tim etc.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 26, 2011, 12:05:49 AM
Bah.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: MJB on August 26, 2011, 03:22:12 AM
I have zero interest in the DC reboot. Not a fan of any of the redesigned costumes. The designs feel like early 90's Image characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 26, 2011, 03:24:23 PM
Click HERE (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/22/dc-comics-exclusive-covers-batman-superman-revamped-heroes-and-digital-will-save-the-day/#/0) for a revealing article about the reboot.

My favorite quote from the article:

Quote
“The truth is people are leaving anyway, they’re just doing it quietly, and we have been papering it over with increased prices,” DiDio said. “We didn’t want to wake up one day and find we had a bunch of $20 books that 10,000 people are buying.”
- Dan Didio
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 26, 2011, 03:30:22 PM
Heh, like I said, desperation.  That's all the more reason for them to be truly bold and do a real reboot, though. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 26, 2011, 03:52:15 PM
Agreed. But I think we all knew that. We comic nerds are a dieing breed.

Well, now that we're less than a week away from the reboot, what books, if any, are you guys gonna try?

My list is:

Batman (Scott Snyder has been nothing short of amazing with his Detective Comics run, I expect more of the same here.)
Justice League (I was unsure about this one, but after seeing some interior art, I'm giving this a shot. Some amazing art in there!)
Green Lantern (Sinestro as a GL and the star of the title? Interesting enough to give it a test spin.)
Aquaman (That's right Benton, he was the only bright spot in Brightest Day(pun intended) so I'll give this a shot.)
Animal Man (I like Jeff Lemire...I like Animal Man...so why not?)
Action Comics (All-Star Superman is my 2nd favorite Superman story so I'm looking forward to this title.)



Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 26, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
I'm taking full credit for the fact that you're buying Aquaman, Murs. ;)

I still say that comic readers are a dieing breed only because nobody has made a comprehensive effort to bring in new readers.  DC is trying it halfheartedly now, but really, DC could never be the one to do it anyway because of the stranglehold that WB has on their non-comic enterprises.  Marvel's perfectly situated to create their own new generation of readers.  They just aren't doing it.

As for what I'll be reading, only Aquaman.  The new DC still leaves me cold, and the only reason I can bring myself to buy Aquaman is because I want to help support the character.  At the very least, I'm hoping that this whole thing will make DC and comic fans in general realize that Aquaman is a viable character.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on August 26, 2011, 07:00:32 PM
Ehhh... maybe I'm naive or something, but I'm not too terrible worked up about this shake-up. Honestly, DC needed to do something 'cause they had become too stagnant as a creative business. While there are some changes that I am certainly not thrilled about (yes, including the 90s-ification of many of the books and designs), overall I'm kinda pumped to see how this whole thing shakes out. Between The Ladyfriend and I, we are getting 50 of the 52 new titles (Blackhawks and Men at War hold no interest with either of us). Books I'm most looking forward to:

Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Green Lantern: The New Guardians
Hawk & Dove (just to see how bad the Liefeld art will get before the book gets canned)
Aquaman
Justice League Dark (closest thing to Shadowpact I'll ever get again)
Red Hood & the Outsiders (... what?!)
Batwing
DC Comics Presents (3 - 6 issue arcs featuring C-grade and lower heroes)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 26, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
Ehhh... maybe I'm naive or something, but I'm not too terrible worked up about this shake-up. Honestly, DC needed to do something 'cause they had become too stagnant as a creative business. While there are some changes that I am certainly not thrilled about (yes, including the 90s-ification of many of the books and designs), overall I'm kinda pumped to see how this whole thing shakes out. Between The Ladyfriend and I, we are getting 50 of the 52 new titles (Blackhawks and Men at War hold no interest with either of us). Books I'm most looking forward to:

Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Green Lantern: The New Guardians
Hawk & Dove (just to see how bad the Liefeld art will get before the book gets canned)
Aquaman
Justice League Dark (closest thing to Shadowpact I'll ever get again)
Red Hood & the Outsiders (... what?!)
Batwing
DC Comics Presents (3 - 6 issue arcs featuring C-grade and lower heroes)
Emphasis Added

You sir, are part of the problem. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on August 26, 2011, 07:06:10 PM
You sir, are part of the problem. :P

I, sir, am a comic book masochist.

Why else would I have every issue of the Ron Marz run on Vigilante, quite possibly the worst series made in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on August 26, 2011, 09:40:30 PM
I'll at least check out Action Comics and Justice League International.  Depending on critical reception, I may also pick up Birds of Prey and Blue Beetle.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 26, 2011, 11:26:04 PM
I still say that comic readers are a dieing breed only because nobody has made a comprehensive effort to bring in new readers. 
Every time someone says this we hear how is "impossible"to get kids interested in comic books, meanwhile kid books are selling very well in newstands around the world, oh well...
Anyway, I'm not a fan of "THe New for the Nineties DC", but I'll check some titles:
Legion (my favorite super team, Paul Levitz writing, no reboot...)
Action Comics (I'm more than a little intrigued by Morrison's idea to get Superman back to his "Social rebel" days).
Aaaand, that's all folks.
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 26, 2011, 11:36:08 PM
I still say that comic readers are a dieing breed only because nobody has made a comprehensive effort to bring in new readers. 
Every time someone says this we hear how is "impossible"to get kids interested in comic books, meanwhile kid books are selling very well in newstands around the world, oh well...
Anyway, I'm not a fan of "THe New for the Nineties DC", but I'll check some titles:
Legion (my favorite super team, Paul Levitz writing, no reboot...)
Action Comics (I'm more than a little intrigued by Morrison's idea to get Superman back to his "Social rebel" days).
Aaaand, that's all folks.

Exactly JJ, it's just about making the effort to reach the right audience and BUILD a market, but you can't do that by just doing sensationalistic things.  You'd have to have a comprehensive strategy of marketing (movies, tv, games, commercials, ads, ALMOST like what Marvel is doing, but everything should point back to the comics and tie together), but you'd also have to put the books where kids are.  Make deals with Walmart and other stores.  When I was a kid I started buying comics because they were still in the spinner rack at the grocery store.  You get the characters and the ideas out there through your other media, then hook them by making a continued exploration of superheroes easily accessible.  Digital distribution can also make this easier, but you'd have to partner with places that kids GO online, just like in real life.  Ahh....I do wish that someone would do it, because I don't want to see the end of the American comic industry, and unless we really create a new generation of readers, that is precisely what is going to happen. :(  Heck, if Marvel would build on their Avengers cartoon and their Marvel Adventures Superheroes book more than they have, they could have a first step right there.

Also, no Aquaman JJ?  I'm disappointed in you! ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on August 26, 2011, 11:45:03 PM
Seems like many years ago I saw commercials for Marvel Comics on one of the cable networks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 26, 2011, 11:49:28 PM
Here in Brazil, kids books and teen books outsells super-heroes by far and they're all sold at newstands and big stores. My daughter is a typical girl of her generation, she loves computers, internet and online RPGs, but, she reads her kid comics, and she can buy then in a newstand 2 or 3 bloks from home.
 
Also, no Aquaman JJ?  I'm disappointed in you! ;)
Sorry, buddy, but after "Legion of Three Worlds" I'm not reading anything by Geoff Johns...He scares me... :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 27, 2011, 02:12:55 AM

Well, now that we're less than a week away from the reboot, what books, if any, are you guys gonna try?

I'll be trying:

Justice League (Johns and Lee sounds like a winner)
Teen Titans (Tim, Connor, Bart and Cassie are among my favorite DC characters so I'll at least give this one a try)
Superboy (see Teen Titans)

I'm also tempted to try out Batman, but I'll need to see a preview, maybe some reviews.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 27, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
Pod, you should check out Snyder's current run on Detective Comics. Batman should be pretty much identical to that. I personally love what Snyder's done so far with Batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 27, 2011, 06:29:26 AM
Ehhh... maybe I'm naive or something, but I'm not too terrible worked up about this shake-up. Honestly, DC needed to do something 'cause they had become too stagnant as a creative business. While there are some changes that I am certainly not thrilled about (yes, including the 90s-ification of many of the books and designs), overall I'm kinda pumped to see how this whole thing shakes out. Between The Ladyfriend and I, we are getting 50 of the 52 new titles (Blackhawks and Men at War hold no interest with either of us). Books I'm most looking forward to:

Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Green Lantern: The New Guardians
Hawk & Dove (just to see how bad the Liefeld art will get before the book gets canned)
Aquaman
Justice League Dark (closest thing to Shadowpact I'll ever get again)
Red Hood & the Outsiders (... what?!)
Batwing
DC Comics Presents (3 - 6 issue arcs featuring C-grade and lower heroes)
Emphasis Added

You sir, are part of the problem. :P

I guess I'm part of the problem too. I'm not a Liefield fan, but I am a Hawk and Dove fan. I haven't bought a comic book in who knows how long but I am curious, so I'll check out a few of the first issues.

My list:

Green Arrow
Hawk and Dove
Deathstroke
The Flash
Green Lantern - Probably a few of the related titles
Batman - Probably a few of the related titles
Legion - I'm still up in the air on
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on August 27, 2011, 06:06:15 PM
My 'list':

Action Comics: Because it's Grant Morrison.

I honestly haven't been reading a lot of recent DC... recently, and new comics are kind of expensive these days, and often with too little content for the cost, so there isn't too much I'm interested in here (And it doesn't help that they canned the JSA,)... but I really like Grant, so I might check AC#1 out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 27, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
DC is really gambling here, with the odds  (and a bad comicbook market) heavily against them.  I have a feeling their prices will go up too.

BTW:  How on Earth does Mr Liefeld still get work?

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 27, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
DC is really gambling here, with the odds  (and a bad comicbook market) heavily against them.  I have a feeling their prices will go up too.

BTW:  How on Earth does Mr Liefeld still get work?

Dana

I just can't understand that either, Dana.  He's pretty much a living joke these days....so how does anyone think it is a good idea to hire him?  I guess DC really is trying to evoke the 90's, and he is pretty indicative of everything that was wrong with comics in that decade...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on August 27, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
DC is really gambling here, with the odds  (and a bad comicbook market) heavily against them.  I have a feeling their prices will go up too.

BTW:  How on Earth does Mr Liefeld still get work?

Dana

I just can't understand that either, Dana.  He's pretty much a living joke these days....so how does anyone think it is a good idea to hire him?  I guess DC really is trying to evoke the 90's, and he is pretty indicative of everything that was wrong with comics in that decade...

Simple answer; he's so bad that people would pay good money just to see it for themselves.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 27, 2011, 07:58:15 PM
LOL!  I'll have to pass....I got enough of his "art" when I used to buy New Mutants and later X-Force, back in the day.

Anyway, I hope you guys that love DC will find some things that are good (things you can enjoy) in the reboot.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 27, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
DC got a lot of attention with the reboot, the first issues will get a boost in sales, but the quality of stories will decide who'll stick around or not. And I don't know if they'll get new readers or just "returning" readers. People are speculating the "Back to the 90s" angle is intentional, an effort to get back readers who gave up comics.
Unfortunately the reboot is a great "jump off" point too, so we'll have to wait some months before we can say if it worked (sales will still be strong months after the reboot) or failed (sales get back to "normal" months after the reboot).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 27, 2011, 10:03:22 PM
DC got a lot of attention with the reboot, the first issues will get a boost in sales, but the quality of stories will decide who'll stick around or not. And I don't know if they'll get new readers or just "returning" readers. People are speculating the "Back to the 90s" angle is intentional, an effort to get back readers who gave up comics.
Unfortunately the reboot is a great "jump off" point too, so we'll have to wait some months before we can say if it worked (sales will still be strong months after the reboot) or failed (sales get back to "normal" months after the reboot).

Personally I'm betting the print comics will be back to around normal levels within 6-10 months. However the digital sales (the whole line is going digital) could make a big difference for DC.

The initial sales estimates looks good though. Justice League will be over 200k making it the top selling comic of 2011. I believe 6 other titles are set to be over 100k. So the relaunch will be very good for DC initially.


If the relaunch is successful I expect Marvel will pull something similar within 3 years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 28, 2011, 02:02:22 AM
Didio on Fan expo 11:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 29, 2011, 02:15:19 AM
Didio on Fan expo 11:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

That makes me feel a little better. The JSA have always been some of my DC favorites.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 31, 2011, 01:32:53 AM
Early reviews of week 1, mostly positive (one decidedly and unsurprisingly, not).
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/30/dc-comics-relaunch-preview/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 31, 2011, 06:02:20 AM
Just read Flashpoint and Justice League and I am really excited about what is next. It really was a ride worth waiting for.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OH2y94w7Ono/Tl5pIxF5XbI/AAAAAAAABOw/7n5XmRZae1A/s576/11%2B-%2B1)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 01, 2011, 12:35:39 AM
Just read them both. Flashpoint's conclusion was great. What a breath of fresh air to finally have an event be worthy of the word. Justice League was a tease...a good tease...but it was just too short.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 01, 2011, 12:44:39 AM
Just read them both. Flashpoint's conclusion was great. What a breath of fresh air to finally have an event be worthy of the word. Justice League was a tease...a good tease...but it was just too short.

I completely agree and I actually found myself reading Justice League of America Vol 3 #1 to compare and I have to say Grant Morrison's #1 14 years ago not only introduced me to all the characters, it left me full  but wanting more. JL #1 just left me wanting. I mean the character design pages where nice but I would have rather had more story.

Oh and only Jim Lee can make these 90s costumes look good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 01, 2011, 01:02:37 AM
Just read JL #1 (trying out the digital comics... it's ok. I'd prefer it if I could change some of the program's options around, but it's decent enough) I'm kind of in the same boat... I like what's in there, but the whole issue was pretty much Batman and GL meeting for the first time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 01, 2011, 02:09:26 AM
Just read them both. Flashpoint's conclusion was great. What a breath of fresh air to finally have an event be worthy of the word. Justice League was a tease...a good tease...but it was just too short.

I completely agree and I actually found myself reading Justice League of America Vol 3 #1 to compare and I have to say Grant Morrison's #1 14 years ago not only introduced me to all the characters, it left me full  but wanting more. JL #1 just left me wanting. I mean the character design pages where nice but I would have rather had more story.

Oh and only Jim Lee can make these 90s costumes look good.

I'm going to have to flip through this in the comic book store.  You know AA, Morrison's JLA did handle the large cast and pacing extremely well.  That's true.  Those were some very good books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 01, 2011, 02:33:44 AM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

EDIT:
Bleeding Cool pointed out (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/31/the-justice-leagueflashpoint-crossover-everybody-missed/) that the hooded woman from Flashpoint is making little where's Waldo appearances in the new #1s (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/31/52-appearances-of-the-strange-woman-from-flashpoint-5/). She was in JL, but I didn't read Flashpoint so I never would have noticed.
Fun and a little creepy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 01, 2011, 03:34:25 PM
I checked out Justice League #1 as well (a friend had picked it up, so reading it for free is a big plus).  It felt ...underwhelming.  GL meets Batman, and the pair of them meet Superman, Apokalyptic shenanigans are afoot, and Vic Stone plays football.  It's very well done, but for the first issue of this major launch, very little actually happens.

I did enjoy
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: yell0w_lantern on September 01, 2011, 04:43:07 PM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

It's unfortunate that we've come to expect so little of comics.  They could speed it up. Comics used to tell entire stories (plural) in a single issue. Now we have "arcs" and "events" that drag out one [usually mediocre at best] story in an effort to keep people buying the next installment.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 01, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

It's unfortunate that we've come to expect so little of comics.  They could speed it up. Comics used to tell entire stories (plural) in a single issue. Now we have "arcs" and "events" that drag out one [usually mediocre at best] story in an effort to keep people buying the next installment.

Writing for the trades can be annoying, but complete stories or multiple complete stories in twenty-odd pages are not better.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 01, 2011, 09:39:09 PM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

It's unfortunate that we've come to expect so little of comics.  They could speed it up. Comics used to tell entire stories (plural) in a single issue. Now we have "arcs" and "events" that drag out one [usually mediocre at best] story in an effort to keep people buying the next installment.

Writing for the trades can be annoying, but complete stories or multiple complete stories in twenty-odd pages are not better.

I don't know about that Tal.  I've read some great one-and-done tales.  You can certainly tell stories that are satisfying, yet still part of a larger picture, like Morrison did in JLA.  Those stories aren't empty, and yet they aren't rushed either.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 01, 2011, 10:25:24 PM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

It's unfortunate that we've come to expect so little of comics.  They could speed it up. Comics used to tell entire stories (plural) in a single issue. Now we have "arcs" and "events" that drag out one [usually mediocre at best] story in an effort to keep people buying the next installment.

That is generally true, but in this case I was speaking about Geoff Johns in particular. JL was in line with the average pacing of his books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 02, 2011, 04:21:24 AM
Just finished up my day's comics. Justice League was pretty decent. The pace was (not unexpectedly) on the slow side, but the interaction between Hal and Bruce was pretty good, and the art was great. I'll get the next one.

It's unfortunate that we've come to expect so little of comics.  They could speed it up. Comics used to tell entire stories (plural) in a single issue. Now we have "arcs" and "events" that drag out one [usually mediocre at best] story in an effort to keep people buying the next installment.

Writing for the trades can be annoying, but complete stories or multiple complete stories in twenty-odd pages are not better.

I don't know about that Tal.  I've read some great one-and-done tales.  You can certainly tell stories that are satisfying, yet still part of a larger picture, like Morrison did in JLA.  Those stories aren't empty, and yet they aren't rushed either.

I agree that you can tell stories that are satisfying by the issue but still part of a larger whole - I did say that not enough happened of relevance in the new Justice League reboot, and good one-and-dones exist, even if they are rare.  What I was really objecting to was the idea multiple complete stories in one issue that are good.  I suppose it's theoretically possible that they exist.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 02, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
Morrison talked about his Superman with Newsarama (and they even got a preview of the new Action #1). Morrison is really trying to get Supes back to his 1938 roots like the "champion of the opressed". It will be a little harder to make new Batman vs Superman fights, since both will be outlaws vigilantes now.

Interview:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/grant-morrison-action-comics-110902.html
Preview:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=44117
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: martialstorm on September 03, 2011, 12:25:57 PM
For me:
Ongoing monthly:
Stormwatch
Superman
Batman & Robin
Justice League

Wait for the Trade:
Action Comics

Checking Out the First Issue:
Captain Atom - I've read the comparisons of this version of Doctor Manhattan but it also reminds me of Doctor Solar.
Nightwing: Although I wished he kept the cowl
Swamp Thing
Animal Man
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Courtnall6 on September 03, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
I still can't get over how ridiculous Superman looks in that farmer fanboy get up. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 04, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
Missed Justice League, the Comic Book store was sold out, as was Barnes and Noble, as was the two other places we went.  :angry:

On a side note, has anyone heard if the Red Circle characters are going to make a return?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 04, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
On a side note, has anyone heard if the Red Circle characters are going to make a return?

Nothing's been said yet. I think they're slowly releasing news about non-DC characters. THUNDER Agents was just confirmed as returning a few days ago. Wait and see I guess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 04, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
From what I'm reading online is that DC is trying bring their heroes to a more current time.  That they are all still pretty new to being heroes and so some of them will make mistakes and such.  If this is the way they're going, then why not make an "Ultimate" universe and reboot the heroes there?  Mind you, I haven't read a comic in a few years, I just hate it when they change something that I grew up with or maybe that's just me getting old.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 05, 2011, 03:02:18 AM
From what I'm reading online is that DC is trying bring their heroes to a more current time.  That they are all still pretty new to being heroes and so some of them will make mistakes and such.  If this is the way they're going, then why not make an "Ultimate" universe and reboot the heroes there?  Mind you, I haven't read a comic in a few years, I just hate it when they change something that I grew up with or maybe that's just me getting old.

I think because DC looks to Marvel, and, in the end, the Ultimate line was a relative failure.  The only real, sustained, hit was Ultimate Spider-man - Ultimates was limited series, and burned out quickly, Ultimate X-men and Fantastic Four always struggled to find readers and a point, and the concept of two universes of the same characters altered in sometimes fundamental ways is just as confusing to new readers as one universe with lots of continuity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 05, 2011, 07:18:58 AM
Just read Flashpoint and Justice League and I am really excited about what is next. It really was a ride worth waiting for.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OH2y94w7Ono/Tl5pIxF5XbI/AAAAAAAABOw/7n5XmRZae1A/s576/11%2B-%2B1)

My wife found me a copy of JL#1, but the background on mine is orange instead of blue like the one AA has posted. Are there multiple variants?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 05, 2011, 02:35:52 PM
Yep, there's variants. Did you read it yet, Cyber?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 05, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
Just to tack onto Tavalar was saying, one of the fundamental problems the Ultimate line had was that it was constantly defined by the normal Marvel U... It always had to try and be edgier and more modern, to the point that it often became more of a caricature of the marvel universe then a legitimate "modern" interpretation (pietro and wanda twincest, gay colossus, etc). I don't see DC making those kinds of mistakes here... this isn't some dumb side universe they can toss out if sales don't go right.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 05, 2011, 03:49:28 PM
Well, actually... the Ultimate line started out fairly edgy and then when they took the ultimate writers to the 616/main Marvel Universe, it also became edgier to the point that both "universes" were competing for which universe could pull off the edgier storylines.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 07, 2011, 03:33:41 AM
Yep, there's variants. Did you read it yet, Cyber?

So I finally got a chance to read Justice League #1. For the most part, I enjoyed it. Solid art, a good pace, left me wanting more. My only real beef was that Green Lantern really came across like an arrogant jack-@$$. I would hope that future issues would ground the character a little to be more relateable to readers. All in all, even though I'll only be picking up a few of the new first issues, I hope the rest of the new titles follow suit.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 07, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
Just read Flashpoint and Justice League and I am really excited about what is next. It really was a ride worth waiting for.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OH2y94w7Ono/Tl5pIxF5XbI/AAAAAAAABOw/7n5XmRZae1A/s576/11%2B-%2B1)

My wife found me a copy of JL#1, but the background on mine is orange instead of blue like the one AA has posted. Are there multiple variants?

Mine had the digital copy with it and cost a dollar extra which is why there is a different background.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 07, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
well batman was ummm interesting. consider me hooked and demanding the next issue
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 08, 2011, 04:03:50 AM
Thanks for the clarification AA, I was kind of worried that it had already gone to a second printing.

As for what I picked up today:

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 08, 2011, 06:02:00 AM
I just read Stormwatch, Action and Detective and I have to say I'm not happy with the 11.97 (plus tax) I paid for them. Stormwatch was good but seeing Apollo (who was always the optimist of the Authority) now this anti-hero was bothersome. Though I did like reading that MM was still a JLA member (I have no clue how Johns' is going to work this out). Action and Detective Comics left me confused and even unhappy. Superman is a complete arsehole and Batman is completely unsuitable for kids (something I thought DC would want to capture). All and all I will stick with Stormwatch because I love the Authority but Action and Detective will not make it to my pull list after issue 3 (because I agreed to buy 3 issues of each title I wanted).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 08, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
want can i say i don't mind the violence and gore in batman, i expect gotham to be a cess pool. as long as bats isn't the one ripping throats out etc i don't have a problem with it

i didn't pick up action comics but from what i've heard man is it getting destroyed. one reviewer summed it up for me, when you make batman look like sane and easy going one in the league you have problems

i'm surprised GA is getting such flack i enjoyed it. it was a simple set up and it worked
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 08, 2011, 09:18:28 PM
I still don't understand how a character whose origin story begins: "After his parents are brutally murdered in front of him...." is ever considered appropriate for children, but whatever.

Personally, I'm intrigued by Action Comics.  This is basically a return to golden age Superman (+heat vision).  He can't fly, he's not that invulnerable, and he's a crusader for social justice rather than law and order.  That's '30s/early 40s Superman right there.  By setting Action Comics well before Justice League and Superman (and mentioning that Superman keeps getting more powerful), it lets DC have its cake and eat it too - in Superman and Justice League he's got the full new suit, presumably the whole power package and a calmer temperament.  As to the actual issue itself, it's definitely stronger, and much more striking than Justice League #1 was last week.  This should have been the lead title of the DCnU in my opinion.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Uncle Yuan on September 08, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
I still don't understand how a character whose origin story begins: "After his parents are brutally murdered in front of him...." is ever considered appropriate for children, but whatever.

Personally, I'm intrigued by Action Comics.  This is basically a return to golden age Superman (+heat vision).  He can't fly, he's not that invulnerable, and he's a crusader for social justice rather than law and order.  That's '30s/early 40s Superman right there.  By setting Action Comics well before Justice League and Superman (and mentioning that Superman keeps getting more powerful), it lets DC have its cake and eat it too - in Superman and Justice League he's got the full new suit, presumably the whole power package and a calmer temperament.  As to the actual issue itself, it's definitely stronger, and much more striking than Justice League #1 was last week.  This should have been the lead title of the DCnU in my opinion.

I ran across an excerpt of the Action Comics on line within the last day or so, and I must say the 8 or so pages I saw were really cool.  I like the "faster than a speeding bullet, leap tall buildings" reset on his powers, loved his "sticking up for the little guy" attitude and the kind of classic rough and tumble approach to getting the bad guys to talk.  I'm not super wild about the home made costume look though.  I'd definitely pick this one up!

I don't think this is the one I was reading, but it's the same series of pages: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/02/action-comics-1-preview-morrison-morales/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 08, 2011, 10:51:34 PM
Morrison said in a interview he wanted the younger version of Superman to be kinda of brash and overconfident, but it will change when he "grows up". And I agree with Talavar, the "New" Superman is a return to his original roots as a super strong "Robin Hood", In the 40's Supes menaced crooked politicians and tycoons to make them confess their crimes. He was an outlaw, because he broke laws while fighting for his view of "social justice". And he killed, a lot...
Since this version of Superman was barely saw in the last 60 years (outsides of reprints and Earth 2 stories) I believe some people won't be crazy about the new version. Me? I always liked both versions, the perfect good guy from the Silver Age and the Social Avenger form the 40's, so Action is the only DCNU title I'm looking forward. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 08, 2011, 11:49:36 PM
Y'know, I went ahead and read Action Comics for myself... and I have to say, personally I rather enjoyed it. Yes he's a bit rougher than we'd normally expect, but I feel like it's more him not really knowing how far to go with everything yet. It's not like he's burning people's faces off here, he's just beating bad guys up and showing off his powers.

It may not be the book Superman fans expected, but it's exactly what Morrison said it was going to be... a younger Superman with a bit less experience and finesse than the decade+ experience of modern day Superman. And I for one, am eager for issue 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 09, 2011, 12:12:54 AM
I guess that is my problem with Action Comics - I'm use to this noble hero to superhero type of Superman and in his place I have this thug (he was a little too punchy for my taste in JLA as well). I guess the nobleness I associate with him isn't popular. Oh well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 09, 2011, 12:51:32 AM
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i'm surprised GA is getting such flack i enjoyed it. it was a simple set up and it worked

No flack on my part, though it wasn't what I hoped for, I did still enjoy it.

As for Action Comics, finances being what they are, I had to pick and choose what I wanted, and AC just didn't make the cut.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 09, 2011, 01:16:58 AM
I guess that is my problem with Action Comics - I'm use to this noble hero to superhero type of Superman and in his place I have this thug (he was a little too punchy for my taste in JLA as well). I guess the nobleness I associate with him isn't popular. Oh well.

You know, I agree that Superman's nobility is a core part of who he is, but what I actually like about Action is I feel like we'll see him grow into that person throughout the course of the book... Instead of having this guy who shows up and is just born effing perfect, here's a guy who is trying to do the right thing and is still working the bugs out. Keep in mind, we haven't seen the modern-day Superman yet... in both Action and JL he's supposed to be fairly new to everything. Hal wasn't exactly respectable in JL either, as I recall.

If I honestly felt like this was going to be how Superman was forever, I wouldn't have enjoyed it. But to me, the fact that he wasn't perfect out of the gate makes the end product MORE noble because he earned the maturity and skills he later has.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 09, 2011, 03:02:45 AM
My reboot book for this week was Justice League International. It was decent but nothing special. In many ways it's the complete opposite of Justice League in that pace is faster and the team is all introduced in the same issue.

I flirted with picking up both Batgirl and Detective Comics but decided against it.

Superman is a complete arsehole and Batman is completely unsuitable for kids (something I thought DC would want to capture).

I don't think DC has shown any real interest in that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 09, 2011, 03:16:11 AM
Superman is a complete arsehole and Batman is completely unsuitable for kids (something I thought DC would want to capture).

I don't think DC has shown any real interest in that.

Exactly why this won't work in the long run.  Unless you change the perceptions of who comics are for, you'll never build a big market.  You can't bring in teenagers and older folks well enough, unless you start changing that perception, and the way to do that is to start younger.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 09, 2011, 03:41:31 AM
Action Comics got some good reviews, but looks like Batgirl wasn't so well received.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34302
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/best-shots-extra-action-comics-batgirl-110907.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 09, 2011, 12:33:47 PM
I guess that is my problem with Action Comics - I'm use to this noble hero to superhero type of Superman and in his place I have this thug (he was a little too punchy for my taste in JLA as well). I guess the nobleness I associate with him isn't popular. Oh well.

i don't think its the noble aspect of the character they're trying to avoid. i believe its the whiter than whiter perfect boyscout aura the character has.

personally i could never read a superman comic for this reason, i can read him in team books but i just could never get behind this multi powered god aspect dc had with him while i was growing up
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 13, 2011, 12:06:37 AM
AA, you might be interested in this. Apparently Caitlin Fairchild will be part of the Superboy cast (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1-revealed/).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 13, 2011, 02:59:01 PM
AA, you might be interested in this. Apparently Caitlin Fairchild will be part of the Superboy cast (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1-revealed/).

It does! Also it seems so random in the way they are throwing the Wildstorm U into DCNU proper.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on September 13, 2011, 07:14:50 PM
man, just got off the phome with the local comic book store and was told that deathstroke is already sold out. what a bummer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The_Baroness on September 14, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
I am sure some of the storis will be great... but... really not interested on the reboot.. DC should move forward, with thigns we like and those we didn't... Important things like what they do with Oracle really made the decision for me..

I hope they are forced to return to normal continuity after a year...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 14, 2011, 05:43:46 PM
Ok...so I just read Superboy and it was like Kyle XY doing his best X-23 impression. Also there will never be any class in school where the answer to a question will be "2300 A.M. Mars Standard Time According To The Universal Chronoal Chart Established By Salvator Grotto in 1856...". Also there is no such person as "Salvator Grotto".  I'm really annoyed that Scott Lobdell thinks telekinesis (tactile or otherwise) somehow equals telepathy (empathy?). Furthermore Fairchild should not be here because I'm guessing N.O.W.H.E.R.E. (a really 1990s ominous evil organized name) will also create Gen-Actives (has already with Grifter?). This was just a straight up hot mess and it might as well be a completely new character. It's a shame Connor Kent had to die for the sins of the DCNU.

Also cognitive amnesia as your cover story? Really? This comic is just...

Also asking "whose memories are these?" when you know he's at least half-Superman is just bad writing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 14, 2011, 05:47:03 PM
From what you've said, AA, then I'm sure I'd be disappointed by these developments as well. Sad.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 14, 2011, 05:58:03 PM
It wouldn't be that bad if they didn't say Connor was still Connor because he's really not. He's "a" Superboy but he is certainly not Connor Kent. And Lobdell referring to Connor as a thug over and over in interview proves to me he has NEVER read a recent Superboy comic or he wouldn't be trying to shoehorn these terribly 90s superhero archetypes into this comic. Seriously all this is missing is Liefeld's art and a million of useless utility pouches.

Demon Knights was by far the best comics I've read from this new DCNU. It's like Game of Thrones but with familiar faces. I could easily see this existing in the old DC and being a really interesting look at superheroics before there were superheroes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on September 15, 2011, 02:03:35 AM
OK, so I've caught up on the books I picked up from last week. So far, Animal Man has been the best, and surprisingly one of the most accessible to new readers. I really liked the first page "interview" that established that he's mostly retired as a hero, now splitting his time between a film career and animal rights activism. Art is a bit rough for me, but it works for the style and mood of the comic. This book is really not a "superhero" story, but more of a horror story featuring a guy in a costume. Really good.

Green Arrow is answers the question "What if Steve Jobs was a costumed vigilante?" And unfortunately, it doesn't answer it particularly well. Dan Jurgens does a good job on art, but the story is just not there. And I miss the crazy goatee. I give it 20 issues before cancellation.

Static Shock is the closest DC will ever get to a Spider-Man comic. It was great until the last page, which made me groan a bit. Might need to read Wikipedia before picking it up, because there are a couple of bits that need explaining for new readers. Glad to see Hardware, the Milestone Comics' version of Iron Man make an appearance.

Swamp Thing was great, but ties very closely to previous stories in Brightest Day and BD: The Search For Swamp Thing, as well as hints at the amazing Alan Moore run, which is fine but may be too much reading for new fans. Yanick Paquette's art is superb, by far the best of last week.

Hawk & Dove, on the other hand, is a steaming pile of dren. Which is a shame because I enjoy the characters. Of all the Rob Liefeld comics, this is the Rob Liefeldiest. Terrible, terrible art, bad story, I give it 6 - 12 issues.

Batwing was OK but forgettable. Not gonna last long. OMAC was great if you love the art of Jack Kirby (which I do), and I can take or leave Stormwatch as of the first issue.

I want to read Action, Detective, and Justice League International, but I have to wait until the girlfriend finishes them (we've split up the new books between our two pull lists to cut down on spending and overlapping in our longboxes).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 15, 2011, 02:16:16 AM
And Lobdell referring to Connor as a thug over and over in interview proves to me he has NEVER read a recent Superboy comic or he wouldn't be trying to shoehorn these terribly 90s superhero archetypes into this comic.

The interview I read where he called Connor a thug he was only referring to the Young Justice cartoon version of the character. And that version is quite different than the comic part (not sure I'd call him a thug though).

I read Superboy and I actually quite liked it. I went in with the mind set that this was a new series with a new Superboy, and I think that helps. The whole mind in his whole body is weird, but the art was kinda nice. I'll definitely read the next few issues.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 15, 2011, 12:05:58 PM
ok upon reading batman and robin and the GL and RL books

seems the whole death and return of bruce still happened as did the war of the GLs. so your telling me this all happens in the 5 years that jla started and after action comics but then when does detective comics come into it and i've gone cross eyed
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 15, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/)

 :doh:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 15, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/)

 :doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 15, 2011, 02:15:57 PM
The animated .gif reactions made the Amanda Waller changes worth it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 15, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
You know, I'm with Pod, I kinda liked Superboy. My only beef is teenage Rose Wilson = Plato. WTF?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 15, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/)

 :doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.

That is a shame.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 15, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/)

 :doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.

I can't take her serious now.  You know DC, there are big people in the world and ink is not that expensive....
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 15, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 15, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

Like what Marvel did with Nick Fury & Samuel Jackson
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 15, 2011, 08:56:01 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

So... what you're saying is, instead of it being some bizarre dumb ploy at making all females look hot and attract new readers, it's an even dumber ploy at attracting fans of a movie that very few non-fans really liked? (Just saying... I personally thought it was ok, but any non-comic readers I've talked to hated it)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 15, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

Like what Marvel did with Nick Fury & Samuel Jackson

The reverse of that, actually - Ultimate Nick Fury was made to look like Samuel Jackson long before Samuel Jackson was cast as Nick Fury.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 16, 2011, 12:19:30 AM
and Ultimate Nick Fury didn't even look like Sam Jackson on his first few appearances. He gradually morphed into that, and they got permission from Sam Jackson to basically use his likeness.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 16, 2011, 12:30:52 AM
Pod and Murs you guys liked Superboy? It just rubs me the wrong way because I've read all this stuff saying "he's still that guy, only reverse engineered" whatever that means and I got this completely new Superboy. But to be fair I had the same feelings when they shoved Linda Danvers into hell to make way for Kara Zor-El and her elongated torso.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 16, 2011, 04:50:45 AM
Pod and Murs you guys liked Superboy? It just rubs me the wrong way because I've read all this stuff saying "he's still that guy, only reverse engineered" whatever that means and I got this completely new Superboy. But to be fair I had the same feelings when they shoved Linda Danvers into hell to make way for Kara Zor-El and her elongated torso.

I guess I view the DCNU as an "Ultimates" sorta thing. Even though that isn't the case. So, I'm not too tied into expecting these versions to be like their original counterparts in any form rather than name. Other than Rose Wilson being a little too insightful, I did like Superboy. Not in my top 5 of the DCNU so far, but I'll pick up the next issue for sure.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: yell0w_lantern on September 16, 2011, 04:51:02 PM
Also cognitive amnesia as your cover story? Really? This comic is just...

Hmm... I wasn't aware there were other kinds of amnesia besides cognitive.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on September 21, 2011, 01:37:53 AM
my top 5 DCNU books so far...
1. Animal Man
2. Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
3. Action Comics
4. Batwoman
5. Hard to choose.... Swamp Thing, Superboy, or Batman and Robin

Other than those seven books I'll pick up second issues of OMAC, Demon Knights and Detective Comics...Maybe Mister Terrific too - but I think im getting my sci-fi fix with superboy and omac
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 21, 2011, 05:42:12 PM
just a note if you are a fan of classic teen titans or starfire stay the hell away from red hood and the outlaws. you have been warned
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 21, 2011, 06:16:46 PM
So yeah stay away from Red Hood and The Outlaws if you ever cared about the previous depictions of Starfire though it was an OK read...you know if you don't mind not knowing what is going on or why certain people are acting like...yeah...

Supergirl was ok. Wonder Woman was actually really good though. I got the horror feel and I really did enjoy the art more than I thought I would.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on September 22, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
Captain Atom was pretty decent, but it's going the way of Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, which I'm not sure will work in the main DCU. GL Corps is a good read as well. If it weren't for Stafire's change in character in Red Hood & the Outlaws, I would really liked it. As it stands, it's OK I guess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Thunder on September 22, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
if Captain Atom is going "Dr. Manhattan" that's full circle.  Because Alan Moore wanted to use the Charlton  heroes for Watchmen.  Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 23, 2011, 12:18:41 AM
Batman was quite good, and I really liked Capullo's art. There's a couple of neat twists and an interesting mystery starting up. Thanks to Murs for recommending it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 23, 2011, 04:12:32 AM
Batman was quite good, and I really liked Capullo's art. There's a couple of neat twists and an interesting mystery starting up. Thanks to Murs for recommending it.

Oh cool Pod, glad you liked it. I haven't gotten to it yet. A "save the best for last" sorta thing. Did you happen to check out Scott Snyder's 10(?) issues on Detective Comics too?

just a note if you are a fan of classic teen titans or starfire stay the hell away from red hood and the outlaws. you have been warned

I thought Red Hood and the Outlaws was pretty good. I have no problem with Starfire's changes/retcons.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: yell0w_lantern on September 23, 2011, 12:29:34 PM
if Captain Atom is going "Dr. Manhattan" that's full circle.  Because Alan Moore wanted to use the Charlton  heroes for Watchmen.  Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan.

And people complain that comics are too self-referential...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 23, 2011, 03:09:05 PM
Obviously, you don't have an issue with Starfire's changes, Murs. That's a big ol' duh. Buuuuut, someone does:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook)

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Yesterday, two new comic books from the "New 52" relaunch of DC Comics provoked some online controversy: Catwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws. They were controversial in particular because of the way they depicted women, notably with the aggressively fanfictiony on-panel sex between Batman and Catwoman, and Starfire's transformation into a promiscuous tabula rasa who can't even remember the names of the men she sleeps with, and seeks out emotionless sex with both of the two male main characters while they essentially high five about it.

Since pointing out my issues with Starfire yesterday, I have received numerous e-mails -- from men -- accusing me of slut-shaming. Since there are a lot of people who don't understand the sexual dynamics that are in play here both creatively and culturally, I'd like to dissect this a little bit and explain why these scenes don't support sexually liberated women; they undermine them, and why after nearly 20 years of reading superhero books, these may finally have been the comics that broke me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 23, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
I really was not expecting Catwoman to be Batman %^$#buddy. I was hoping for a strong Selina on her own adventures but whatever I'm not picking up the title. As for Starfire, too many younger people identify her with this cute, bubbly persona and now she's a forgetful spring break whore. I mean she's always been flirty and sexual but this is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 23, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
Ahh...thanks guys.  I was feeling some uncertainty about continuing to avoid DC despite their reboot.  I kept hearing things that I sounded pretty decent, but all of this reminds me that these books continue to embrace the reasons I don't read mainstream comics.  Now I'm not conflicted anymore.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 23, 2011, 03:50:13 PM
I agree with some of the points in that article, except for some about the art - men and women aren't treated that differently: both have ridiculous physiques crammed into skin-tight outfits.  She brings up the ridiculous recent Star Sapphire costume, and a fan-concept drawing for a male version to point out the difference - except Hal Jordan is already drawn as if he's basically naked as well.  His bulging muscles are just coloured differently.

I also don't think Catwoman and Starfire are being depicted in the same way.  Starfire appears willing to sleep with anyone, anonymously, and not even remember names of people she had slept with.  Catwoman has sex with Batman, a pairing with a long history, and he clearly cares about her (he's there to make sure she's all right after her apartment is blown up) - it's not emotionless or anonymous, even if she doesn't  know Batman's real name.  The author compares it -negatively- to a Spider-man/Black Cat hook-up from some years back, and I really don't see how it's any different, except that the art might be a little more graphic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 23, 2011, 04:08:35 PM
To clarify, the author compared Batman/Catwoman's sex scene to that of Spider-man and Black Cat from a YEAR ago. :P. Not having read the issue myself, I can't say, but from the examples presented, not only was the art different, but there was an entirely different tone. That said, comparing Batman/Catwoman to Spider-man/Black Cat (BND edition) is blah to me regardless.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 23, 2011, 05:45:15 PM
LOL! That Batman/Catwoman scene looks like some porno fan art you'd find on DeviantArt! Hilarious!

Oh DC, your talent searching skills are to be envied.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 23, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Did you happen to check out Scott Snyder's 10(?) issues on Detective Comics too?

Not yet. I may get it in a trade at some point.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on September 24, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Can't say I follow the mainstream comics closely to begin with... although I do try to stay up-to-date on major plot arcs and character developments in the respective universes.  But from those links that were posted about Batman, Catwoman, and Starfire, even I have to say I'm really disappointed that the professional comic industry seems to be catering more and more into gross fan fetishes.  This reminds me why I pay more attention to the cartoons than the comics, since the writers actually have to focus on story and character development and less on drawing the characters as suggestively as possible in every panel.  With all the hype and pressure that DC had riding on this universal reboot, it is very disappointing to see that they have lost most of their credibility in the very first month.

Obviously, you don't have an issue with Starfire's changes, Murs. That's a big ol' duh. Buuuuut, someone does:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook)

Thanks for sharing the link, Previsionary.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 26, 2011, 03:56:32 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/23/catwoman-1-comic-sex/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/23/catwoman-1-comic-sex/)

Catwoman #1 re-done. I lol'd so many times. Good stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 26, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
(http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-09-26-math.png)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 26, 2011, 10:50:18 PM
Ha!  Haha, ohh man...that made my entire freaking day.  Thanks TUE.  I want to print this out and mail it to DC. :thumbup:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 26, 2011, 11:24:18 PM
The smiling Didio is the perfect final touch for this sad history.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 27, 2011, 12:21:44 AM
I think we can all agree that the Starfire issue is by far the more egregious of the two.  Catwoman has always been a sexualized character - overtly or otherwise.  Last week's Catwoman #1, particularly the final image, may be more graphic than it has been portrayed in the past, but it's an issue of gradation rather than major change.  Starfire's characterization in Red Hood is a major change however, and one that greatly diminishes the character.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on September 27, 2011, 03:04:31 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Epic Win, indeed!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on September 27, 2011, 06:30:02 PM
That was awesome, TUE...And kind of sad.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 28, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
So...Teen Titans...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Aquaman...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Superman...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on September 28, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
So...Teen Titans...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
sad  :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 28, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
Thew "New DC" is getting more and more bad reviews thanks to Catwoman and Red Hood:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/hey-thats-my-cape-catwoman-starfire-110928.html

Meanwhile, DC reactions was this:
" We’ve heard what’s being said about Starfire today and we appreciate the dialogue on this topic.
We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children."

DC needs better PR guys...

 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on September 28, 2011, 11:18:21 PM
Neither DC nor Marvel have been very good with PR as it concerns comics for the past decade.

Further evidence of this: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/28/patton-oswalt-says-goodbye-to-dc-comics-over-nielsen-surveys/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 29, 2011, 01:28:09 PM
Now that all of 52 were released, some of them I enjoyed, others not so much.

My picks:
Action Comics, Aquaman, Batman, Batgirl, Justice League

Rest of the books were on the "meh" side IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 29, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Thew "New DC" is getting more and more bad reviews thanks to Catwoman and Red Hood:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/hey-thats-my-cape-catwoman-starfire-110928.html

Meanwhile, DC reactions was this:
" We’ve heard what’s being said about Starfire today and we appreciate the dialogue on this topic.
We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children."

DC needs better PR guys...

Who cares about children!? I was offended by the way Starfire was acting and while I can forgive Catwoman (because she has always been a sexual character) - I can not forgive slutty Kori or Suicide Girl Harley Quinn. Next up Batwoman is going to be having lesbian orgies with Flamebird and the Question and Wonder Woman is going to get raped by Zeus before finding out it is her real father or something. Besides Demon Knights and Stormwatch I'm not really impressed by any of the DCNU and I'm actually annoyed I committed to purchasing 3 issue of these terribly written, completely unfamiliar characters.

I really hope the status quo is back by Spring because even though sales are through the roof now, I guarantee month two is going to see a dramatic drop.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 29, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
I really hope the status quo is back by Spring because even though sales are through the roof now, I guarantee month two is going to see a dramatic drop.

While i doubt the status quo will be back in its entirety, because even though sales will see a drop, it won't be worse than it once was (IMO), they could always "adjust" some things that were badly received, like the whole starfire thing. I think the "lady in red" in every 52 has that very purpose.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 29, 2011, 11:33:14 PM
I guarantee month two is going to see a dramatic drop.

Yeah there's definitely going to be a drop. I'm fully expecting we'll be back to normal sales levels within 6 months.


Anyway I read Teen Titans this week and I was quite whelmed, perhaps even a little underwhelmed, overall the book seemed kinda meh. Again like Superboy I've come in knowing that we're dealing with all new versions of these characters so that's not that big a deal to me (yet), however I was watching Tim really closely. The Bat books are like 90% intact so I expect Tim to be mostly in line with his previous appearances. So far i think he's alright, but he did have a few iffy actions. Art ranged from pretty good to just a little Liefeld. I'll pick up the next issue at least.

I think I was most disappointed in how meh it was. I was expecting something that was either really bad or pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 30, 2011, 08:45:55 PM
"George Perez Off SUPERMAN Writing Duties as of Issue #7"
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/george-perez-off-superman-110930.html
How many DCNU titles will Giffen write?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on October 04, 2011, 03:33:18 PM
Didio decided that never was a "Crisis" event on the "New" DCU:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/10/03/dc-comics-crisis-free-since-2011/


Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on October 04, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
Okay, I gotta wonder, did this whole reboot idea come out of a night of drinking and the phrase "wouldn't it be cool if..."  Seriously, there are so many logistical things here that are obviously not planned or thought out, and for a company-wide reboot/reset/whatever-the-heck-they're-calling-it, that's not good or professional. 

EDIT: for the record, I was hoping for the best out of the DCnU, even considering using it as a jumping on point as a lapsed reader, but geez... there have been so many screwups and mistakes in just the media/pr portion of it alone.  As for the books themselves, there are a few I was a little interested in, but many more that just made me go   :banghead:.  Don't even get me started on "Diversity". 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on October 04, 2011, 09:00:01 PM
EDIT: for the record, I was hoping for the best out of the DCnU, even considering using it as a jumping on point as a lapsed reader, but geez... there have been so many screwups and mistakes in just the media/pr portion of it alone.  As for the books themselves, there are a few I was a little interested in, but many more that just made me go   :banghead:.  Don't even get me started on "Diversity".

i was hoping to be able to jump back into comics with this, at least start a 2 0r 3 book pull, but not sure if its going to happpen.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on October 05, 2011, 01:23:52 AM
Of the titles that I checked out, I'll be starting a pull for:

Hawk and Dove (And I still don't care for Liefield)
The FLash
Green Arrow
Nightwing

Man, it has been years since I've had a pull list. My wife is going to kill me.  :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on October 05, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
Lobdell about the Starfire controversy:

"    So to clear a couple things up, I asked if Starfire was being serious or sarcastic about not remembering the Titans:

    Kory was definitely being evasive/sarcastic because she did NOT want to talk about her past with them and issues that will come up later in the series. She does not have a memory of ‘a goldfish’ as some people have been saying ‘round the ‘net.

    Also, Jason was lying to Roy about certain implications he made in the first issue to Roy about Kory. I won’t say what exactly because I don’t want to spoil the next issue, especially since it’s not out yet."
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 05, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
Then what was with her inner dialogue?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on October 05, 2011, 11:08:55 PM
That sounds an awful lot like Lobdell trying to backpeddle and "fix" his mistakes with Starfire to me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bearded on October 06, 2011, 06:04:53 PM
men of war is really good. maybe the best of 52 so far, in my opinion.
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/new-52-men-of-war/ (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/new-52-men-of-war/)
it is a legacy character. in that a character wasn't rebooted and forced to be young and forget most things he has done. someone did it right.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on October 06, 2011, 07:22:12 PM
I have been pleasantly surprised regarding some of the New DC line.

Wonder Woman really impressed me at how it was truly a reboot with an interesting take on Greek mythology.
Batwing has been interesting. The artwork is absolutely beautiful. I hope this book lasts.
Justice League Dark has characters I was not expecting to see (DC's Enchantress FTW!) and I like where the story is heading.
Legion of Super-Heroes thankfully included all those Legion Academy students, so it's great to have some fresh blood on the team.
Suicide Squad could be good, I'd have to read more of it. I really like Harley Quinn's design.
Voodoo really surprised me. Great first issue, really looking forward to where it's leading.
I'll be picking up both Justice League and Justice League International, and maybe Action Comics. (I like this new take on Superman).
Aquaman had a very solid first issue, too. I just hope that continues with momentum
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on October 06, 2011, 10:16:21 PM
I really like Harley Quinn's design.

seriously stop sniffing the magic markers

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on October 06, 2011, 10:40:47 PM
I really like Harley Quinn's design.

seriously stop sniffing the magic markers


I really like it too.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on October 06, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
I really like Harley Quinn's design.

seriously stop sniffing the magic markers


I really like it too.

Harley's costume or sniffing magic markers?  :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on October 07, 2011, 04:42:05 AM
Hmmm...both.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on October 07, 2011, 05:06:47 AM
I really like Harley Quinn's design.

seriously stop sniffing the magic markers


I really like it too.

Harley's costume or sniffing magic markers?  :P

Hold on one second. Cyber Burn, i know you ain't picking on my friend... my associate... my project... my charity... on Murs! That's rude.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on October 07, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Hmmm...both.

Amen, bud.

What's so wrong with Harley Quinn's costume and sniffing toxic fumes?

Besides, it can always be worse. She could be wearing a fur bikini.  ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Xenolith on October 07, 2011, 07:56:01 PM
I can't believe I actually bought any new DC books, but I did buy the first two issues of OMAC and I like it quite a bit.  Its rated "T" so it is pretty safe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 07, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
Thus far, the only DCnU book I'm really enjoying is Action Comics.  I'm in for a couple more issues of a few; let's see if they can turn it around.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cardmaster on October 07, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
I've been a long-time lapsed comic reader, but between moving to a new house down the street from a comic shop and the whole DCnU initiative I'm officially buying comics on a weekly basis again! And I am SO HAPPY about that! :D

My pull list for this month includes:
Edit: Spoilerized due to length
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Already cut:
-Red Hood & The Outlaws: Ugh. UGH. As I said above, absolutely adore the Teen Titans. Screw everything about this book. Gross gross gross.

Anyhow. Those are my pulls so far. Obviously, for the sake of my bank account I'm hoping I can begin to cut down my list a bit over the coming months. :blink:
In any case, it has been so awesome getting back into comics again.

:cardmaster
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Bloodshadow on October 08, 2011, 01:32:19 AM
Good to see ya on the boards CM :thumbup:
Its been a long time.
Gotta agree with ya,I was against the whole reboot at 1st,then decided to go in with an open mind and ended up really liking some of these.
Flash was very impressive and I actually liked Teen Titans especially Bart being impulsive in the opening sequence.
Green Lantern was good but I didn't care for New Guardians,Red Lanterns or GL corps which is disappointing cause I was really looking forward to Red Lanterns.The change from Rage to Vengeance just doesn't work for me.
So far,I like the new 52.........That said my wife and I will NOT buy any book starring this Crappily designed knock off that is supposed to be Harley Quinn :angry:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on October 08, 2011, 04:54:20 AM
DC takes another hit.  :unsure:

http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/10/07/barnes-nobles-pull-100-dc-titles-in-protest-of-digital-exclusivity/

Quote
We are disappointed that Barnes & Noble has made the decision to remove these books off their shelves and make them unavailable to their customers.

DC Entertainment will continue to make our content available to our fans and new readers through multiple distribution channels including locally-owned comic book retailers, independent bookstores, other bookstore chains and other widespread means such as online through Amazon and through our apps on iOS and select Android powered devices as well as new and exciting devices going forward.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on October 08, 2011, 07:10:25 AM
Green Lantern was good but I didn't care for New Guardians,Red Lanterns or GL corps which is disappointing cause I was really looking forward to Red Lanterns.The change from Rage to Vengeance just doesn't work for me.

Now for me, I liked the directioin that the Red Lanterns book was going, and of the four Lantern based books, I actually thought that it was the most enjoyable.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 08, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
DC takes another hit.  :unsure:

http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/10/07/barnes-nobles-pull-100-dc-titles-in-protest-of-digital-exclusivity/

Quote
We are disappointed that Barnes & Noble has made the decision to remove these books off their shelves and make them unavailable to their customers.

DC Entertainment will continue to make our content available to our fans and new readers through multiple distribution channels including locally-owned comic book retailers, independent bookstores, other bookstore chains and other widespread means such as online through Amazon and through our apps on iOS and select Android powered devices as well as new and exciting devices going forward.

Is it really a hit though?  Barnes and Noble are pulling them in response to DC's exclusive digital deal with Amazon & it's ridiculously cheap tablet.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on October 10, 2011, 03:47:21 PM
"Andy Kubert Joins Grant Morrison on ACTION COMICS in 2012

DC announced Sunday on their official publicity blog The Source that Andy Kubert is illustrating Action Comics #5 and #6.

The issues, written by regular series writer Grant Morrison, will guest star the Legion of Super-Heroes. DC hints that Krypto, whose New 52 status had been unclear, will also make an appearance. "

More here:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/action-comics-andy-kubert-111010.html

Morrison said in a convention the Legion and Superman still have a connection, let's see how he'll explain it.

EDIT:
WONDER WOMAN Gets a NEW 52 Origin, Parent in November
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

More here:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/wonder-woman-new-origin-111010.html

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 12, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
Demon Knights continues to be my favorite comic out of the new 52. This could easily have been pre-dcnu but whatevez.

Superboy #2...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cripp12 on October 12, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
thanks for the synopsis Cardmaster.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cardmaster on October 14, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
I'm with you, AA, Demon Knights was great! Loving the chemistry of the team. Speaking of which... I've also really been loving Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. #1 was just straight-up awesome and issue #2 did not disappoint. Journeys into 'dead space,' crazy backstories, hilariously morbid technology... It's all fantastic. If you like awesome adventure with a healthy dose of weird, you should definitely give this one a try..
Mister Terrific's been good too - Great character with a really neat vibe; the over-the-top SuperScience that this comic barrages you with just makes you want to punch the air and say "F#* yeah science!" :)
Batman and Robin was a little flatter this month, but I still enjoyed it. Superboy, however, went waaay down for me from issue #1. I'm not sure what they're going for in this book, but it may not be for me...

- :cardmaster

ps. Bloodshadow: it's good to see you again too! :)
pps. Cripp: No problem! I apologize for such a lengthy post; I've now put my synopses in spoiler tags for the sake of brevity, haha.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on October 16, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
DC takes another hit.  :unsure:

http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/10/07/barnes-nobles-pull-100-dc-titles-in-protest-of-digital-exclusivity/ (http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/10/07/barnes-nobles-pull-100-dc-titles-in-protest-of-digital-exclusivity/)

Quote
We are disappointed that Barnes & Noble has made the decision to remove these books off their shelves and make them unavailable to their customers.

DC Entertainment will continue to make our content available to our fans and new readers through multiple distribution channels including locally-owned comic book retailers, independent bookstores, other bookstore chains and other widespread means such as online through Amazon and through our apps on iOS and select Android powered devices as well as new and exciting devices going forward.

Is it really a hit though?  Barnes and Noble are pulling them in response to DC's exclusive digital deal with Amazon & it's ridiculously cheap tablet.

Yes, it's a hit because B&N are doing it out of spite and have effectively removed a portion of DC's audience who may not WANT digital comics and who may not HAVE nearby comic book stores. Speaking of hits, Books-a-Million have followed suit.

http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/10/15/ereader-war-part-2-books-a-million-follows-barnes-nobles-lead/ (http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/10/15/ereader-war-part-2-books-a-million-follows-barnes-nobles-lead/)

To me, a stunt like this comes off as a scare tactic. The remaining big chains of book sellers are trying to tell certain companies rather overtly that if you go through with certain deals they do not agree with, they will simply remove your product and risk losing overall sales themselves just to strike back. It's rather sad.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 17, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
But DC had to expect something like this in signing a digital exclusive with Amazon.  It's "not a hit", in that they're precipitating it themselves.  They must have decided that gaining digital sales will beat losing physical book store sales.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on October 17, 2011, 05:22:25 PM
I think it's entirely reasonable for a brick-and-mortar operation to discontinue a product that is expected to decline.

They're not hurting their bottom line a whole lot.  Their other major offline competetor is gone (Borders).  They just gained shelf space and no longer need to worry about stocking those particular items in any large quantity.  Note that you can still order them... you just can't walk in and grab one off the shelf.

You have to remember that this is also about competition between the Nook and the Kindle.  That deal means there will not be graphic novels for the Nook, and that is a big deal for Barnes and Noble.

Exclusivity cuts both ways.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 18, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
This is just fug. (http://i.newsarama.com/images/TT_Cv5_02.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on October 20, 2011, 03:44:37 AM
Well I quite enjoyed the latest issue of Justice League. It's still a slow place but I found it engaging and the art was excellent.

Batman was also very good. The story is a little slow but the art and characterization is great. Definitely a standout among the New 52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on October 20, 2011, 03:48:19 AM
Surprisingly enough, I'm actually enjoying Hawk and Dove (Minus Liefield's inconsistant art), but that just may be because of my inherant love of the characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on October 20, 2011, 07:58:26 PM
In a typical "I'm too good for you" fashion Scott Lobdell justified his take on Starfire critizating the criticals...

"Newsarama: Scott, I'm sure you've heard about the negative reaction some fans had to the portrayal of Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws #1. Did it surprise you?


Lobdell: It didn't surprise me that there were some people who didn't like it.



 What surprised me was that it almost caused the Internet to melt.

 Mostly, what has surprised me has been the very vulgar way that people believe they are coming to the defense of Kori: they hurl words like "slut" and "whore" and expressions too disgusting to repeat here that are only used to demean women. 



Lets consider an imaginary woman who has more than one or two lovers. Is it fair to label her with dismissive and derogatory language? Because we disagree with the choices she makes, to do what she wants with her own body? Are we still at a place in society where we're going to call a woman — any woman — names that reinforce gender inequality?



The good thing is that the story has gotten people to talk about issues they are passionate about — and that can only ever lead to a better understanding on everyone's part."
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 20, 2011, 11:39:26 PM
This is clearly an attempt at damage control, but I wonder how much heat this can take before DC pulls Lobdell from the book.  There's already been a lot of writer/artist shuffling in the New 52; a little more wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on October 21, 2011, 01:34:20 AM
In a typical "I'm too good for you" fashion Scott Lobdell justified his take on Starfire critizating the criticals...

"Newsarama: Scott, I'm sure you've heard about the negative reaction some fans had to the portrayal of Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws #1. Did it surprise you?


Lobdell: It didn't surprise me that there were some people who didn't like it.



 What surprised me was that it almost caused the Internet to melt.

 Mostly, what has surprised me has been the very vulgar way that people believe they are coming to the defense of Kori: they hurl words like "slut" and "whore" and expressions too disgusting to repeat here that are only used to demean women. 



Lets consider an imaginary woman who has more than one or two lovers. Is it fair to label her with dismissive and derogatory language? Because we disagree with the choices she makes, to do what she wants with her own body? Are we still at a place in society where we're going to call a woman — any woman — names that reinforce gender inequality?



The good thing is that the story has gotten people to talk about issues they are passionate about — and that can only ever lead to a better understanding on everyone's part."

I read another article with him talking about this and yeah he's OBVIOUSLY trying to cover up his bad writing. He actually compared her alien race to cats and we as "humans" aren't thinking about how "aliens" would actually react. I had to seriously stop reading the article and just close my computer.  Also his depiction of Roy is EXTREMELY OOC. It appears Roy did not only lose his child but also his self-confidence and determination as a former sidekick trying to prove himself. Jason Todd is practically a mary sue and can do no wrong and the most amazing person on earth....
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bredon7777 on October 31, 2011, 03:03:29 AM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/14/amanda-waller-skinny-thin-reboot/)

 :doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.

It was done to make her look like Angela Bettis, who played "The Wall" in <i>Green Lantern</i> and has been offered the rule in the <i>Suicide Squad</i> movie (provided it gets out of development hell).  It's not like they randomly decided oh, "Amanda Waller needs to be tall and thin now, just cause."

I don't have a problem with it. YMMV.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bredon7777 on October 31, 2011, 03:09:08 AM
and Wonder Woman is going to get raped by Zeus before finding out it is her real father or something.

Well, you're half right...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Night Dragon on December 10, 2011, 06:11:09 PM
 I haven't read any of the new 52 issues, and I don't know if I really want to anymore.

 I'd love to know what comic writers have against married heroes? I read that with the reboot there is no more Lois and Clark.  :doh:

 What is it? Do writers have a problem creating conflict with a couple, so they have to keep a hero single? Please.... more like poor writing to me. There is a pitiful handful of heroes that are married.

 How much strain would having a loved one constantly risking their life day (or night) after day put on a relationship? Ask the husbands/wives of firefighters, police, or soldiers. Not enough drama, my scaly buttocks. And what about a hero with a secret identity? You know (s)he's going to have fans, admirers, stalkers, etc. And how is that going to impact the home life? Look at celebrities, and the rumors of this person cheating with that one, and think how in the comics world  it would play out. There is so much story just on how things would affect a relationship when one person is leading a dual life.

 It's just laziness and lack of imagination, imo, that make writers and editors back away from change and want to go back to the 'old status quo'. Then sit back with a thumb in their bum, and wonder why their sales are also in the 'old status quo' of way back when.

 But that's just one slightly bitter dragon's thoughts about it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: UnkoMan on December 12, 2011, 12:03:32 AM
Reboots are almost always ridiculous. People try too hard. I mean look at these new costumes. Mostly garbage. Lois and Clark not being married? Why not? We know they are a couple. That's ingrained on the culture. Amanda Waller better have the same tough as nails, ready to stand down Batman character she's always had, that's all I am saying.

So, anyway, I haven't read any of it. To be honest, I don't read a lot of mainstream stuff, although what little I read of Morrison's Batman stuff was pretty awesome... I was digging the Batman Inc stuff, but I guess that's gone now. I actually just got around to reading Gotham Central.

Is the new Batwoman series like the one they just did, that's all gothy? And she fights "Alice"? Because I liked that.

I am mostly interested in Animal Man and Swamp Thing with a loose interest on the rest of the "dark" titles. How are these?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on December 12, 2011, 05:36:01 AM
I was digging the Batman Inc stuff, but I guess that's gone now. I actually just got around to reading Gotham Central.

Is the new Batwoman series like the one they just did, that's all gothy? And she fights "Alice"? Because I liked that.

Batman Inc is coming back, and I expect it will be mostly unchanged.
I believe the new Batwoman series is mostly the same.

Both titles are unique in that they were being produced before the reboot was decided and were integrated into it with little changes. In fact I suspect the limited changes to the Bat books were because of Batman Inc.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Randomdays on December 12, 2011, 06:20:24 AM
The Lois and Clark situation reminds of the same thing with Pete and Mary Jane a few years back with "One More Day". Joe didn't like the marriage, Joe was in charge, Joe gets his way.

Sorry, old rant coming back again.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on December 13, 2011, 02:26:23 PM
Animal man/swamp thing and omac/Frankenstein are two pairs of books that are working on developing a cohesive universe. In my opinion they are the top four books, followed by action comics, wonder woman, batman, Aquaman and flash. (in that order) I've dropped all others, but that's still the heftiest dc pull list I've had since johns wrote the flash, jSA and teen titans.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on December 21, 2011, 02:32:56 AM
I'm the same wagon as most of you guys, I'm not a fan of the reboot as an option to get the new readers, specially when we had so many of them lately...I'm really liking Action Comics, but I'm ignoring most of the DC line now.
Anyway, this one may make our buddy Benton very happy...
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3895&page=35
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Night Dragon on December 21, 2011, 07:58:31 AM
Reboots are almost always ridiculous. People try too hard. I mean look at these new costumes. Mostly garbage. Lois and Clark not being married? Why not? We know they are a couple. That's ingrained on the culture.

 It won't stay that way if everytime that they get close the whole universe gets a reboot.

The Lois and Clark situation reminds of the same thing with Pete and Mary Jane a few years back with "One More Day". Joe didn't like the marriage, Joe was in charge, Joe gets his way.

Sorry, old rant coming back again.

 That was my point exactly. Not just Lois and Clark, but also Pete and MJ, or Elongated Man and Sue. I just don't understand why it should be so difficult to show a superhero in a long-term marriage/romance. Joey Q said he wanted the drama of Pete being single and dating lots of various women. So he wants him to be Spider-Ho then?  :huh:

 And what's worse with DC, is if they wanted to do a Jim Lee-verse, they have a whole frigging multiverse they just brought back they could have done it in, and left the current universe alone. And PSSSSTTTTT DC, Marvel tried this stunt a few years ago with a lil event called 'Heroes Reborn'. I guess what they say is true, those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on December 21, 2011, 02:07:25 PM
The Lois and Clark situation reminds of the same thing with Pete and Mary Jane a few years back with "One More Day". Joe didn't like the marriage, Joe was in charge, Joe gets his way.

Sorry, old rant coming back again.

 That was my point exactly. Not just Lois and Clark, but also Pete and MJ, or Elongated Man and Sue. I just don't understand why it should be so difficult to show a superhero in a long-term marriage/romance. Joey Q said he wanted the drama of Pete being single and dating lots of various women. So he wants him to be Spider-Ho then?  :huh:

It wasn't just Joe Q that wanted this, though he took the brunt. Many creators came out and supported him on the MJ/Pete situation and cited how people were against the marriage in the first place. Regardless, Peter wasn't even a spider-ho because he wasn't single that long. He had his eye on a science geek almost immediately, chased after her, and eventually began dating her. I mean, yeah, that Black Cat retread happened, and he was being sought after by Lily/Menace for evil purposes, but Peter essentially went from one very solid relationship into another relationship with the drama of "keeping secrets." Another retread.

I was against this DC reboot from the beginning because I thought it was stupid. If anything, both DC and Marvel could learn a lesson form the past and improve their writing/art, simplify their stories, and stop relying on decompression so much and actually, you know, INVEST in some of their status quos before resetting everything once again with an event, mini-reboot, or w/e it is DC has now because it's not a true reboot... but more of a mix between a relaunch and a reset, as some old continuity is still floating about. I'm also not sure why comic companies think relaunching or starting over will get new readers. No. You'll get short-term, new readers who'll most likely abandon the project almost immediately while your long term fans get burned yet again. If you want new readers, then you not only need to have something easily accessible to them, but you need to seek them out with quality and not gimmicks. It also helps to advertise to them and not just to the people who are ALREADY your fans. But the thing that'd help the most is if companies would stop taking advantage of the fans they do have, treasure them a little more, and give them something to talk about positively every once in a while. I'd definitely be more inclined to check out books and such from a company that treats their fans as a vital part of the system as opposed to the way certain companies (more so creators and editors) do so now. That's just me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on December 21, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
I was against this DC reboot from the beginning because I thought it was stupid. If anything, both DC and Marvel could learn a lesson form the past and improve their writing/art, simplify their stories, and stop relying on decompression so much and actually, you know, INVEST in some of their status quos before resetting everything once again with an event, mini-reboot, or w/e it is DC has now because it's not a true reboot... but more of a mix between a relaunch and a reset, as some old continuity is still floating about. I'm also not sure why comic companies think relaunching or starting over will get new readers. No. You'll get short-term, new readers who'll most likely abandon the project almost immediately while your long term fans get burned yet again. If you want new readers, then you not only need to have something easily accessible to them, but you need to seek them out with quality and not gimmicks. It also helps to advertise to them and not just to the people who are ALREADY your fans. But the thing that'd help the most is if companies would stop taking advantage of the fans they do have, treasure them a little more, and give them something to talk about positively every once in a while. I'd definitely be more inclined to check out books and such from a company that treats their fans as a vital part of the system as opposed to the way certain companies (more so creators and editors) do so now. That's just me.

Nope. Isn't just you, I have exactly the same opinion and I made a very similar post months ago at TOF. But DC writers and editors are always giving speeches about how the readers "don't own the characters" or how they don't "get it" (just read Scott Lobdell's recent interview about the Starfire fiasco).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on December 22, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
still don't understand all of the negativity surrounding the new 52.
there are still 60+ years of comics stories for you to read.
the beauty of these characters is that they aren't real and continuity doesn't really matter.
there are enough stories now that readers can develop their own continuity in their heads, and there are enough stories to further populate those continuities.
Sure they aren't making Lois and Clark married stories now, but that doesn't mean they never will again. I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before some creators will make a miniseries or side project where they are married. and if not in the comic medium, then maybe in movies, tv or video games. 
I think this is the key to why the ultimate universe is so great in marvel, it offers an alternative continuity with different possibilities.
and really,  the current spidey series has some of the best storytelling i've ever read.  re-reading slott's work on Spidey lately.... dang, just makes me realize how much i love comics (just try not to cry while reading the issues where Spidey joins the FF, or when Peter Parker helps reform The Magnetic Man issue 662 i think.)

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on December 23, 2011, 04:59:14 AM
DM,
Some people are upset because their favorite characters were retconned away, changed beyond recognition (Superboy/Conner)or just disappeared (Wally West). Others, like myself are tired of the same old "Everything old is new" trick. The only DCNU title I'm still reading is Action Comics, because it's a really different take on Superman. I tried to follow JLA, Titans, Superboy and some others, but most of them are too much form and too little substance IMHO. But, like you said we have the older comics and continuities, I'll just join other former readers and forget about new comics (except 1 or 2, like Action and Captain America  & Bucky).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on December 23, 2011, 05:16:46 AM
I don't think it's hard to understand why some people might have an issue with the new universe. I mean, it's not a complex issue. It's pretty simple. Some characters didn't fair well in the change. Some creators couldn't work magic with characters that were already fine and loved. Some books didn't need to be relaunched or rebooted or whatever. DC effectively cut ties with some of their reader base to try an experiment that a good chunk of their fans might not actually gel with. What's really hard to understand about that? You may not see it similarly, but that's a legitimate stance to have.

And while those fans may have the old books to thumb through, maybe they want to also get new stories as well to share with the newer fans without having to feel like their character was sacrificed because of it. I've never been behind extreme actions just to get a larger following for a few months. There's better ways to achieve that. It just requires a breath of fresh air in the Marvel/DC board rooms and less reliance on the old tricks these companies have grown accustomed to.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on December 23, 2011, 03:50:07 PM
I guess the question is...

Do comic book reboots actually work (ie increase profits)?  If so, why?  Because if they actually work, then maybe they aren't the incredibly stupid thing that some fans perceive them to be.  And it would explain why they keep doing them.

Since I don't have access to the numbers or any demographic studies, I'll have to speculate.

The key factor is disposable income.  A contributing factor is that males are more likely to want to spend disposable income on "superhero" comics.  I won't go into that, and it's not entirely relevant.

Speaking as a family man, I can say with great confidence that disposable income for my demographic is probably not all that high.  So I assume that "married with children" is not the target demographic.  As such, the industry really doesn't give a hoot about how I feel about the characters and storylines.  Heck, negative buzz from me might even generate positive buzz for the real target demographic.

Take children out of the equation, and there is more likely to be a surplus of disposable income.  This has the side effect of making it easier to target an adult audience with adult themes.  But, there is still the spouse or significant other factor to consider.  If there is a shared household and a shared income, there exists a strong possibility that the partner has some say in how the disposable income is spent.  Which makes it less likely that such income is going to comics.

Let's skip over a couple of demographic groups and go right to children.  Children under the age of 12 have no income to speak of, may not even have an allowance.  Which is why "kiddie-safe" versions of superheroes are marketed toward this group.  I may not be able to spend disposable income on my own comic book habit, but these kid-safe, parent-acceptable superheroes play off a sense of nostalgia that I'd like to share with my own kids.  Thus the toys, movies, and kid cartoons are more likely to reflect the "classic" heroes instead of the "adult-oriented" messed-up ones we have now.

Backing up a bit, we come to the real key demographic.

Single individuals who have and do not need to share their disposable income.  Parent-subsidized teenagers and college-age adults who may even have a small amount of independent income.  This is the pool of future readers, readers, and future nostalgic parents who are going to drive sales.  Think about that and what the comic book industry is doing to target that audience and a lot of things start to make more sense.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: tommyboy on December 23, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
I wanted to weigh in on this.
Some of the New52 books are really good.
Manapaul's Flash, William's Batwoman, Morrison's Action are great titles.
There are plenty of good titles too. Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Men of War, the various Batman books, Wonder Woman etc etc.
Did they need to "reboot" to put out comics of that quality?
No, of course not.
They had about as many good or great books before.
But the reboot did make me try stuff I otherwise would not have tried.
The promise of a clear jumping on point (even if this was actually a little misleading) led me to try stuff, and find I liked it.
It's true I lost some titles, characters, writers, and continuity I liked but overall I'm enjoying more DC product than before, and that is good for me and them and for the industry.

The sales figures show that four months in, DC are dominating the top 10 in the sales charts.
Books like Nightwing and Aquaman and Batgirl now outsell Bendis' New Avengers and Avengers titles.
DC have to be pleased at that.
Will those sorts of sales last?
Perhaps not forever, but if they make for a good year in a down-trending industry then it makes business sense to do it.

To address some specific complaints:
Lois and Clark not married. The reboot seems to have de-aged everyone so they are at an earlier phase of the relationship. The door to them marrying in the future is open, if writers want to go there. I'd like to see some married heroes but can wait a few years for Mr. and Mrs. Kent if need be.

Starfire. Not a massive character who they have tried to push in the traditional version (remember she got a lot of page time in 52 and other books), without much reader interest. So they have changed her a bit (or a lot if you are outraged) to try to make people notice her, and people have. For the first time in a generation people other than a small but loyal fanbase care about Starfire. And the new stuff can be dropped incredibly easily in various ways that dont "taint" the character. Do I like the new Starfire? I'm marginally less indifferent to her than the old one.
 
Driving away old fans. They have a classic JLA, Aquaman, Flash, GL, GA all have books. Seems to me they are catering pretty well to long term fans. The Wally/Kyle/New Atom crowd are getting short shrift right now, and I sympathize with those fans a little. Kyle is already back in a book, I'd be very surprised if we never saw any of the others back.

And ultimately the fact is this, DC were being beaten by Marvel in a shrinking industry in a time of recession.
Had they kept on with the same old same old at some point they would go under.
They had to try something new, and drastic to gain market share.
They did, and it worked, much as it worked for Marvel with the "Ultimate" line.
You can argue for "good stories and art" all you want, and I agree that should be a goal.
But quality does not guarantee sales. Simone's Bird's of Prey or Gage's Avengers Academy never cracked the top 10 despite their excellence.
But after the New52 here's a list of DC books whose 3rd issue out sold Marvel's Flagship New Avengers title: Red Lanterns, Nightwing, Green Lantern Corps, Green Lantern New Guardians, Teen Titans, Batwoman, Aquaman, Batgirl, Wonder Woman, Batman and Robin, Superman, Batman the Dark Knight.
And those are the books leading up to the top 10. Six of the top 10 are DC books. The four top selling books are DC books.

For me, they are putting out books I like to read, and kicking bottom sales-wise.
I'd say it's working and that they were right to do it.
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on January 19, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
Anyway.......

Is this the new DC comics thread or should I go bump the old one? Looks like that logo that was leaked a few days ago will officially be the new DC logo moving forward! How do you guys feel about it? Still no word on if it'll be the comic logo as well.

(http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/201201191028.jpg)

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/01/19/dc-entertainments-new-interactive-logo-officially-unveiled/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/01/19/dc-entertainments-new-interactive-logo-officially-unveiled/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on January 19, 2012, 08:02:27 PM
I think an "interactive" logo is fine... for a website or an application or so-called "rich media".

Not so much for an entire brand.  And if they embed those in every single digital format they have, it's going to get annoying really quick unless you can ignore them entirely.

Worse, those logo designs are pretty awful looking.  Aside from the in-your-face green logo, they don't really suggest to me what they ought to represent. 

The "steel" logo just doesn't say "Superman" to me.
I don't know what that black "wrapped" label is supposed to be.
That one that's supposed to be sparky just looks more like it has hair on it.
Is that one on the lower left supposed to be for the Watchmen?  I couldn't place it right away.
The "misty" logo could be for Batman... or for a supernatural-based comic.  Who knows?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on January 20, 2012, 01:28:32 AM
When it was first seen, the basic grey version, I didn't like it. It seemed a little bland and modern for DC. But the final versions with the custom colours per book and interactive elements are kinda neat.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Courtnall6 on January 20, 2012, 03:20:08 AM
Without the "DC Comics" written underneath...I never would have guessed it was DC's new logo. I guess the guy who designed it never attended Advertising 101.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on January 20, 2012, 01:45:27 PM
Without the "DC Comics" written underneath...I never would have guessed it was DC's new logo. I guess the guy who designed it never attended Advertising 101.

Actually, I think this is a very powerful marketing tool...

...for Marvel.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on January 31, 2012, 05:15:50 AM
I'm a little behind the curve on comic news but looks like the first mini-vent for DC's new 52 is coming soon:

Batman: Night of the Owls (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/01/09/batman-night-owls-snyder-rafael-albuquerque-crossover/)

Since it's contained in a few Batman titles only I'm not disappointed. In fact, I'm excited. Mostly because it looks like this entire mini-vent will be directed by Scott Snyder. This entire Court of Owls story has been nothing short of amazing and I'm glad it's expanding.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on February 01, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Ya looking forward to it. Whats actually cool, according to Snyder, we'l actually get the main story in Batman, rest of the tittles are just tie-ins, not crucial to understand the story. But i still think all of them will be worth getting. :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on February 01, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
http://io9.com/5881187/dc-comics-unveils-full-list-of-watchmen-prequel-comics?popular=true

Watchmen Prequels.......  I love azarello and darwyn cooke... maybe these can work
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on February 01, 2012, 06:10:01 PM
http://io9.com/5881187/dc-comics-unveils-full-list-of-watchmen-prequel-comics?popular=true (http://io9.com/5881187/dc-comics-unveils-full-list-of-watchmen-prequel-comics?popular=true)

Watchmen Prequels.......  I love azarello and darwyn cooke... maybe these can work

The "nerd" rage from when these were a rumor is about to be topped. I've already seen signs of it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Figure Fan on February 01, 2012, 07:17:26 PM
http://io9.com/5881187/dc-comics-unveils-full-list-of-watchmen-prequel-comics?popular=true (http://io9.com/5881187/dc-comics-unveils-full-list-of-watchmen-prequel-comics?popular=true)

Watchmen Prequels.......  I love azarello and darwyn cooke... maybe these can work

The "nerd" rage from when these were a rumor is about to be topped. I've already seen signs of it.

I'm not upset (or surprised) with their decision to revisit Watchmen in some way. I mean, the book has been incredibly popular for decades.

If creating prequels weren't so unnecessary I would probably be more upset by it. The original series explained the characters' pasts well enough, and the years in-between were made interesting by the back and forth storytelling that shifted between 'what is' and 'what was'. It allowed the reader to construct his or her own timeline and imagery.

In the end, they just couldn't resist the urge to cash in, and it shows, despite the talented people involved.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on February 02, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
Before Watchmen’s Straczynski addresses Babylon 5 comparisons (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/before-watchmens-straczynski-addresses-babylon-5-comparisons/)

Mark Waid also weighs in to correct JMS's assertion of the Alan Moore vs. DC debacle.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 07, 2012, 08:47:45 PM
Well, I've been putting off posting here until I had something fairly substantive to say, and I suppose that time has come.  DC actually managed to pull me back in, however temporarily or however limited the manner.  I've, of course, been reading the new Aquaman, but I've also been following the progress of this reboot with some interest in general.  I've been lurking in this thread, watching the news online, and listening to friends who are reading some of these new books.  I've heard very impressive things from a good friend of mine, long a Marvel fan, who has decided that this is a great time to check out DC.  His interest, much to my amusement, was sparked by my introducing him to JLU a few months back.  Anyway, after his repeated enthusiastic recommendations, I've actually picked up a second DC book, The Flash.  This is pretty unprecedented.  It's been years and years since I read a DC book, and even longer since I read more than one.  So, DC has managed to snare someone like me, who had not just given up on their books, but actively boycotted them for years, into reading parts of their new line.  Based on my friend's recommendations and the glowing responses here I'm even recently picked up the JLA book.  That by itself speaks volumes in my mind. 

So, by the rubric Tommy is using there, and by the same measure many folks are applying, this DC reboot/relaunch, whatever-you-call-it, is a success.  They're generating sales, they're beating out Marvel, they're bringing back old fans, perhaps even attracting some new ones...and yet, I have to say, as much as I may be enjoying a few books, I still don't really think of this as a success.  You see, the problems I had with this project still exist, but I've decided to support a few good books that have been spawned by it anyway.  I'll tell y'all what I think of the books I'm reading in a bit, for anyone interested.  It seems to me that in terms of this grand project though, their current success is, at best, a fevered strength.  It won't last.  You can't keep fighting over the same shrinking demographic.  The folks they're aiming at, and in this I think that BB is probably pretty close to the mark, simply can't support the comic industry by themselves, and they are, largely, still coming out of a culture that regards comics as being 'for kids.'  In the end, this is still a dying industry and a dying market.  DC may very well manage to grab a nice big chunk of this market for a while, but all this gambit does is prolong the inevitable. 

This is part of my old argument, so I'm sure y'all know where I'm heading, but without a more comprehensive strategy DC can't bring in REALLY new readers.  Without them, the industry can't reverse the downward trend, and without that, there isn't a whole lot of future here.  I see a lot of folks saying more or less the same thing, but praising their efforts as good because it seems like all that can be done.  This event had such potential, and while it's produced much better results than I had hoped, there is still a great deal of that potential being wasted because they're appealing to folks in this very small demographic.  This was the chance to create an accessible universe with a planned trajectory and a smart marketing strategy, encouraging young people to read their books as well as bringing back older fans.  However, you're right, kids aren't too high on DC's radar, and folks like me who prefer clean-ish books and worlds aren't really what they're after either, but this approach isn't going to produce lasting success, not in the long run.  That makes me very sad, because I was hoping against hope that when I have kids they'd be able to grow up immersed in a really great comic universe, just like I did.  I don't really see that happening, on the one hand because I wouldn't let any kids of mine read most of these books, even a few of those I'm enjoying, and on the other because I have no confidence that there will be much of a universe left for them to read about.

So, there you have it.  Take my thoughts for what they're worth.  I'll post about the specific books I'm reading later on.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on February 10, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
Powergirl, don't like the costume design.  :thumbdown:



(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2012/02/WFINE_Cv1_29817059jhlaf.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on February 10, 2012, 08:14:33 PM
Soooooo... Supergirl has no legs?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: ow_tiobe_sb on February 10, 2012, 08:31:10 PM
Soooooo... Supergirl has no legs?

She won't need them.  She's replacing Barbara Gordon as the new Oracle.

ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on February 11, 2012, 01:16:22 AM
I don't mind the body suit but the forearms and shins seem too elaborate.

Also is that a Robin there in the back?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on February 11, 2012, 03:43:35 AM
So, all this talk about new readers/DC's model has been vaguely interesting. Here's a report on how well DC is allegedly doing as far as new readers are concerned.

Quote
The results of The Nielsen Company's market research for DC Comics that surveyed "New 52" readers (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/28/dc-comics-market-research-new-52/) were released at ComicsPro's Dallas meeting yesterday and well... there's not much that's brave or bold about them. ICv2 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22113.html) reports that 70 percent of the survey's 5,336 respondents were already fans, with only 5 percent completely new to buying comics, and 93% were male. What's more, only an estimated 2 percent were younger than 18 years old. The results are troubling, and raise serious questions about DC's ability to expand their audience base, and the accessibility of their content to both women and younger readers.

The numbers seem particularly stark in the context of the stated goal of the new 52 to create a "more modern, diverse DC Universe (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/05/31/the-new-dcu-bob-wayne-tells-retailers-about-day-and-date/)" that would both reach beyond its existing fanbase. As Dan DiDio told USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-06-01-dc-comics-why-the-change_n.htm) when the initiative was announced, "If we can convince the people here we're doing something brand-new and fresh, we have a good chance to really get the people outside on board." If these results are any indication, the New 52 may have resonated with the existing audience -- or at least produced higher sales -- but had more trouble convincing the "people outside" of their new vision.

Read More:  http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/02/10/dc-comics-readers-survey-reports-new-52-readership-93-male/#ixzz1m2bjRMij (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/02/10/dc-comics-readers-survey-reports-new-52-readership-93-male/#ixzz1m2bjRMij)

And here's the thing about statistics, they're only as accurate as their sample size, so I wouldn't take the majority of this very seriously myself. it is interesting to look at, and it echoes many of the responses I've seen here and elsewhere over the years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 11, 2012, 04:24:56 AM
It's a burden always being right, but I try to soldier on....
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on February 11, 2012, 05:26:05 AM
Earth 2


(http://wb.cdn.warnerbros.com/dcublog/files/2012/02/EARTH2_Cv1_variant_jasdhfklasd609g.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on February 11, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Oh, I bet you anything that the Earth- 2 folks you're seeing there are Dick Grayson,  Connor Kent,  and Donna Troy. They look too young to have served with the JSA during WWII, let alone too young to have kids. And the reason there is a Supergirl and lady Robin behind PG and Huntress is that they are supposed to be denizens of E- 2 trapped on the main Earth,  and those are their E- 2 costumes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 11, 2012, 03:14:51 PM
Oh, I bet you anything that the Earth- 2 folks you're seeing there are Dick Grayson,  Connor Kent,  and Donna Troy. They look too young to have served with the JSA during WWII, let alone too young to have kids. And the reason there is a Supergirl and lady Robin behind PG and Huntress is that they are supposed to be denizens of E- 2 trapped on the main Earth,  and those are their E- 2 costumes.

That would actually give me a vague interest in Earth-2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on February 11, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
I'm seeing reports that we're going to get another Black Superman very soon. I'm interested in seeing how that all works out.

ETA links:

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/comics-news/18283-nu52-explores-parallel-earths-in-action-comics-9.html

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/02/11/black-superman-to-appear-in-action-comics/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on February 11, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
Conner Kent and Donna Troy no longer exist.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on February 11, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
Conner Kent and Donna Troy no longer exist.

... On Earth- 1. Who's to say that this isn't some form of E-2 Infinity Inc or something?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tawodi Osdi on February 12, 2012, 01:00:13 AM
DC Robots?  First zombies and now they are giving us robots. 

Ohh!  Wait!  That's reboot.  That's even worse.  Why don't they just admit they don't know what their doing and stop trying to repair an irrepairable continuity?  They should just concentrate on writing stories that people would want to read.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on February 12, 2012, 04:42:42 AM
Awesome DC. Complicate your newly re-booted universe with alternate parallel universes then be baffled as to why new readers don't understand wtf is going on when they pick up an issue to try. (run on sentence...blah blah blah)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on February 15, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
I always saw the all "DCNU" thing more like a move to get back some of the relapsed readers than a plan to get new ones. Didio said several times he wanted to get back the readers who went away after the 90's. And with guys like Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld, Bret Booth, Scott Lobdel and Howard Mackie at the helm I think they never were really thinking about new readers.
Titles like Action and  Wonder Woman are trying to get something different with classic characters, but JLA, Superboy, Titans, etc, etc are too much of "New for 90s" to get new reader IMHO.
Still it's selling better, so DC is happy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on February 23, 2012, 04:07:18 AM
Can I just officially say that Wonder Woman is definitely the best book from the whole NuDC group? K, thx.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on February 24, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
Can I just officially say that Wonder Woman is definitely the best book from the whole NuDC group? K, thx.

Nope, it's Batman. Ur welcome.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on February 25, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
Can I just officially say that Wonder Woman is definitely the best book from the whole NuDC group? K, thx.

Nope, it's Batman. Ur welcome.

Sorry dudes, Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. is pound for pound the best book.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 25, 2012, 07:33:57 PM
Don't be silly gentlemen, it's The Flash, hands down.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on February 25, 2012, 10:30:07 PM
Really Benton? I know Aquaman's kinda iffy, but one would think you'd be backing that book (which is working toward trying to make Aquaman cool again) so hard your tongue would be falling out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on February 28, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
Actually I like Aquaman better than the Flash (but that Mob Rule arc was amazing,  the latest issue, not so much)

It's sad to know that Lemire is leaving Frankenstein,  but he'll pick up writing Justice League Dark with issue #9
Its also sad OMAC is ending,   one of the most fun books of the relaunch
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on February 28, 2012, 11:56:10 PM
Don't be silly gentlemen, it's The Flash, hands down.

I'm with Benton on this one.

That said, I'm pretty bummed that Hawk and Dove is being canceled.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on March 02, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
DC's new Earth 2 will be a "darker" version of "New Earth" with more "edgy" costumes:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-comics-earth-2-designs-120227.html
I'm so out of this...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on March 02, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Can I just officially say that Wonder Woman is definitely the best book from the whole NuDC group? K, thx.

While not my cup of tea, WW is pretty good. And it's a new, different take on the character, unlike Teen Titans and JLA...
Action Comics is the best title IMHO, because it's "new-retro" take on Superman and his cast.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 02, 2012, 11:43:59 PM
...


See, now I'm somewhat terrified. The natural next step after E2 is E3, which is a world I have a lot of love for... but with DC's current track record, there's just no way they'll do it right.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 03, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
DC's new Earth 2 will be a "darker" version of "New Earth" with more "edgy" costumes:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-comics-earth-2-designs-120227.html
I'm so out of this...

Dissappointing. I like my E2 characters to be simpler in design and concept. Where are my WWII "Mystery Men"?  :banghead:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 04, 2012, 02:52:51 AM
Good man CB!  Yeah 'Mato, the Aquaman book is really quite good, though the recent change in artist isn't helping it.  It's just not quite as good as Flash.  It's been a long time since I've seen such an innovatively drawn and cleverly written mainstream book as The Flash.  I'm nothing if not honest. ^_^

DC's new Earth 2 will be a "darker" version of "New Earth" with more "edgy" costumes:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-comics-earth-2-designs-120227.html
I'm so out of this...

Wow.......that sounds absolutely awful.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on March 04, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
*Enters "Conspiracy Mode"* Anyone else think this is another ploy to garner positive reactions to the "Main" DC continuity? I mean, there are bound to be a few people who will say something to the effect of "I like E1 better. Anything is better than that grim 'n gritty E2 garbage." It's the "Lesser of Two Evils" theory in use, people! *Exits "Conspiracy Mode"*
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Epimethee on March 04, 2012, 06:54:59 PM
Another vote for Wonder Woman, even if issues 5 & 6's fiil-in artist isn't on the same level as Chiang. Flash, while uneven, also has some excellent moments.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on March 05, 2012, 03:10:08 PM
Is it just me, or is "dark and edgy" basically shorthand for "lazy attempt at attention grab"?

I'm sorry, but I like my heroes as "heroes" not as "people with powers and more issues than National Geographic". Grim and Dark have their place, but it should not be the default setting.  You don't have a meal that's nothing but broccoli - there has to be some variety.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on March 05, 2012, 11:28:16 PM
Is it just me, or is "dark and edgy" basically shorthand for "lazy attempt at attention grab"?

I'm sorry, but I like my heroes as "heroes" not as "people with powers and more issues than National Geographic". Grim and Dark have their place, but it should not be the default setting.  You don't have a meal that's nothing but broccoli - there has to be some variety.

While I agree wholeheartedly with you, it looks like "Dark and Gritty" is the only way DC can make comics nowadays, for instance:

"(...) showing what editor Brian Cunningham describes as a "mystical, magical, fantasy feel." The character of Shazam now has a glowing lightning bolt on his chest replacing the regular yellow part of the costume, lightning is emitting from all over, and a hood obscures his face. Gone is the "big red cheese," revealing this New 52 version as a darker character."
More here:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/shazam-revealed-dc-comics-120305.html

"This is not your father's Earth 2."
"Robinson: Well, you're going to see the status quo of the superhero community on Earth 2, which are the characters that DC revealed last week. And you're going to see them in a pretty extreme situation that has gripped the world at that time."
(...)
"Robinson: So instead I'll say, the events of her (Lois Lane's) tragic death are not something that we actually will be showing, but they are something that drives Superman on in his actions in the comic book.

Nrama: And it sounds like Wonder Woman has the same sort of drive because she's lost people close to her (all the amazons) as well, correct?"

More here:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/james-robinson-describes-earth-2.html

Remember how the DCNU would be about diversity and an easy point to new, different readers?
Forget it, it just a time travel to the (worst of the) 90s.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 07, 2012, 06:20:23 AM
First look at the new Earth2 Jay Garrick...lol

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/03/earth-2-2-cover02.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on March 07, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
Earth-2 Jay Garrick... You've got to be kidding me... He's the Flash... or one of them at any rate... and the best they can do is fighting mutant rats?  And that uniform... I... Words fail me how bad that looks.

But let me try... Let's see...

If Booster Gold were suddenly given the powers of Shazam, that's what his costume would look like.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Panther_Gunn on March 07, 2012, 03:55:57 PM
If Booster Gold were suddenly given the powers of Shazam, that's what his costume would look like.

I'll do you one better.  It looks like the CSA Earth-3 Jay Garrick.

And I'm still trying to figure out the lines that look like they run from both shoulders to the middle of the chest.  I'd almost think "seam", but the bolt goes right over it, smoothly.  :huh:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 07, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
I just lost my lunch...ugh.  :banghead:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on March 07, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
First look at the new Earth Ew Jay Garrick...lol
Fixed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 07, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
No, I kind agree with Murs here... the characters and costumes we've been shown are much more akin to something out of the Crime Syndicate than good old fashioned Earth 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 07, 2012, 11:16:02 PM
No, I kind agree with Murs here...

But I've stated no opinion...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 07, 2012, 11:27:18 PM
Meh... sorry, I thought GG was commenting on the post about it looking like Earth 3 (the one PG made) so I copied your name from her quote.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 08, 2012, 01:21:34 AM
Ha.....yeah, yeah, that REALLY looks like a CSA Jay Garrick.  That would actually be an almost decent design for that.  For its true purpose...not so much.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 08, 2012, 01:30:30 AM
I think it's becoming more and more clear that DC is amalgamating the two versions of Earth 2... this is the Earth 2 antimatter universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on March 08, 2012, 02:45:45 AM
Tomato, I was referring to the overall "Earth 2" revamp and my general dislike of it so far.  If it does turn out to be Crime Syndicate Earth, that might be a little better, but I'm not counting on it.  So far all I see is...

Excuse me, I'm going to go read some Atomic Robo and make myself feel better. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 08, 2012, 04:43:34 AM
Tomato, I was referring to the overall "Earth 2" revamp and my general dislike of it so far.  If it does turn out to be Crime Syndicate Earth, that might be a little better, but I'm not counting on it.  So far all I see is...

  • Characters who were against killing now kill!  Why? BECAUSE WE'RE EDGY!!!
  • All of the Amazons are dead!  So is Lois!  So are many more!  Why? BECAUSE WE'RE EDGY!!! 
  • Earth 2?  It's a dark and horrible place now where everyone is miserable! Why? BECAUSE WE'RE EDGY!!!
Excuse me, I'm going to go read some Atomic Robo and make myself feel better.

I agree with every single last word of this...especially about Robo.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 08, 2012, 05:28:05 AM
The sad thing is, I do like some of the ideas in the new 52 (making Cyborg one of the major league members, bringing Superman back to his "Social Activist" roots, no more underoos, etc.) but there's just so much WRONG with it (Superboy, Starfire, Teen Titans, Batman's condensed timeline, Earth 2, Superboy, lack of any consistent timeline, Green Arrow, and Superboy. And yes, I know Superboy is in there three times. They mucked him up THAT EFFING BAD) that it just doesn't balance out the good.

It's really a shame too, because some of this I was looking forward to. I actually was interested in seeing a proper Earth 2, and what kind of stories it would allow writers to tell. But instead, we get the Justice Lords.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 08, 2012, 11:19:15 PM
I would have preferred JLU Ollie, but Green Arrow is still a decent read.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 09, 2012, 12:28:36 AM
It's not a bad concept, but it'd be better served on a brand new character, not shoehorned onto an existing one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on March 09, 2012, 12:37:46 AM
Ok so I just sat down and read the first 6 issues of JLA again and let me say this is NOT John's finest work. The art is great but reading the whole arc not only took me 40sh minutes (6.6 minutes per issue) but it also felt incredibly random. I hoped that reading it again (as if it was trade) would make the story more apparent but it doesn't. It just confused me. It seems like it is written for young teens but it's so incredibly violent and overly sexualized (thanks Jim!) I don't think I don't know who the reader is supposed to be. This is 2000s Chris Claremont on meth.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on March 09, 2012, 01:09:06 AM
IGN ranked NuDC. I have to say, if these ratings are accurate for a good portion of the reading population DC has, then it has many low to middle ranking books than I expected it to have post-relaunch: http://comics.ign.com/articles/121/1219917p1.html

An aside... that hawk and dove image was so unfortunate. Marvel and DC have to stop humoring Liefield if they want a book to last more than a few issues. It's really unfair.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 09, 2012, 01:21:15 AM
IGN ranked NuDC. I have to say, if these ratings are accurate for a good portion of the reading population DC has, then it has many low to middle ranking books than I expected it to have post-relaunch: http://comics.ign.com/articles/121/1219917p1.html

An aside... that hawk and dove image was so unfortunate. Marvel and DC have to stop humoring Liefield if they want a book to last more than a few issues. It's really unfair.

Yeah, unfortunately, I didn't think that Hawk and Dove would last long when I saw that Liefield was on the book. Kind of hoping there would have been a switch before it got cancelled.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on March 09, 2012, 05:23:36 AM
I'm surprised they gave Batwing a B-. It's a fan favorite and has some interesting and different elements from standard superhero comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on March 12, 2012, 04:24:40 AM
My Question...Was the reboot even necessary?  Could they tell most of these stories they are now telling, without having started "fresh"?  I'm gathering that some characters are pretty much the same (like Barbara Gordon taking back the mantle of Batgirl , after years of paralysis and AFAIK Batman is the same as before) as before or almost the same and some are quite different (Superman sounds different, from what I've read here and elsewhere).

I saw "My Greatest Adventure" #1 on the shelf and I was curious about what the reboot Robotman was like (since I had heard he was in the issue and I was bummed DC cancelled the only book I have any interest in, the Doom Patrol)...IMHO, horrible and certainly not the Cliff Steele I knew...More like an Anime robot hero than Cliff Steele/Robotman.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 12, 2012, 05:09:33 AM
Ehh, they desperately needed a reboot, they just aren't taking advantage of the opportunity to really start fresh.  That's what I've said all the way along.  They've got some good books, but in the end they are still trying to have their cake and eat it too.  This will just continue the slow death of mainstream American comic books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on March 20, 2012, 06:32:43 PM
COMICS: First Look At Jay Garrick's New Costume; More Details On "Earth 2" Revealed (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=55823)

(http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/EARTH-2-2-Cover_02.jpg)

WonderCon 2012 - Nite Owl #1 Variant Cover (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/03/17/wondercon-2012-nite-owl-1-variant-cover)

(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/bw-nightowl-var-med.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: thalaw2 on March 21, 2012, 02:03:36 PM
They took away the hat?!?!?!  Why?!!??!  It was such a cool accessory/weapon in the hands of the right writer.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cripp12 on March 21, 2012, 02:32:38 PM
They took away the hat?!?!?!  Why?!!??!  It was such a cool accessory/weapon in the hands of the right writer.

The first thing you thought of was the hat when you thought of Jay.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 21, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
They took away the hat?!?!?!  Why?!!??!  It was such a cool accessory/weapon in the hands of the right writer.

Agreed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Epimethee on March 23, 2012, 02:27:35 AM
That cover is High Art. Leonardo, Rembrandt and Picasso together couldn't have created anything half as inspired.

Shame indeed about losing the hat and therefore the reference to Mercury/Hermes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 23, 2012, 01:19:44 PM
You know what makes this all the more depressing in context? The very first figure Mattel decided to go with for its Club Infinite Earths is the classic Jay Garrick... as if to remind us that the crap DC is giving us is not the real Earth 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: RTTingle on March 25, 2012, 04:13:10 PM
Is it just me, or is "dark and edgy" basically shorthand for "lazy attempt at attention grab"?

I'm sorry, but I like my heroes as "heroes" not as "people with powers and more issues than National Geographic". Grim and Dark have their place, but it should not be the default setting.  You don't have a meal that's nothing but broccoli - there has to be some variety.

Someone wake me when this nightmare is over and they bring back First Wave.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on March 25, 2012, 11:27:17 PM
Ehh, they desperately needed a reboot, they just aren't taking advantage of the opportunity to really start fresh.  That's what I've said all the way along.  They've got some good books, but in the end they are still trying to have their cake and eat it too.  This will just continue the slow death of mainstream American comic books.

I noticed in the grading article, that a few of the books are still heavily weighed down by continuity (like Hawk and Dove, LSH, etc...), a few books haven't found their way/don't know what they're supposed to be and there are some pretty low grades given for the a few of the big name books too.  I noticed Liefeld will be writing Hawkman....That does not bode well for that title IMHO.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 25, 2012, 11:34:39 PM
Finally got around to trying Wonder Woman. That book is soooooo good! *caresses body* So good!

Aquaman lost its touch once its focus shifted away from those creatures of the trench. I dropped it without difficulty.

Tried to get into Flash but just couldnt. I can see the appeal of it, just not my preference. I will say, the redesigned Rogues are excellent. It's pretty much what I had in mind if I ever got around to redesigning them for Ultimate DC.

Batman still rocks my socks off.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on March 26, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Finally got around to trying Wonder Woman. That book is soooooo good! *caresses body* So good!


Now Murs, remember what your psych said about caressing your body in public over Wonder Woman!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 26, 2012, 08:52:19 PM
Finally got around to trying Wonder Woman. That book is soooooo good! *caresses body* So good!


Now Murs, remember what your psych said about caressing your body in public over Wonder Woman!

Do it more often?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on March 28, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
Finally got around to trying Wonder Woman. That book is soooooo good! *caresses body* So good!


Now Murs, remember what your psych said about caressing your body in public over Wonder Woman!

Do it more often?

No...the opposite you ingrate!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 28, 2012, 05:32:37 PM
Finally got around to trying Wonder Woman. That book is soooooo good! *caresses body* So good!


Now Murs, remember what your psych said about caressing your body in public over Wonder Woman!

Do it more often?

No...the opposite you ingrate!!

Grate my body like cheese?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 28, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
Murs, just... go to your corner and sit there. Gawd.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on March 30, 2012, 03:23:39 PM
Murs, just... go to your corner and sit there. Gawd.

And don't touch yourself at all!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on April 10, 2012, 03:54:41 PM
DC is bringing back the National Comics banner after 63 years. I go into more detail here:

http://www.pizzaxtremeteam.com/2012/04/10/national-comics-returns-after/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on April 12, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
That National Comics return is a very cool idea. I'm surprised it hasn't been broached before. There were so many old titles that could be reused with modern characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on April 16, 2012, 10:31:58 PM
The Nielsen Company made a survey about the "New 52" initiative. Newsarama had the entire relatory, but it was removed. Anyway, we can find part of the conclusions here:
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/forum/go/to.cgi/http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2012/02/09/dc-comics-the-new-52-product-launch-research-results/
I found this one specially interesting...

DC COMICS: THE NEW 52 appealed mainly to avid fans and lapsed readers. More than 70% of those surveyed categorized themselves as avid fans who visit the comic book store every week. More than a quarter of in-store consumers were lapsed readers. The survey indicates that 5% of those polled identified themselves as first-time, new readers.

And this one is the natural follow up

Avid Fans purchased up to 20 titles out of the 52 titles.

So, DC didn't get new readers, but they found a way to make their readers to buy more comics. It's the same strategy the big two are trying in the last 30 years wit the Events/crossovers madness. Will it work this time?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on April 16, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
The Nielsen Company made a survey about the "New 52" initiative. Newsarama had the entire relatory, but it was removed. Anyway, we can find part of the conclusions here:
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/forum/go/to.cgi/http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2012/02/09/dc-comics-the-new-52-product-launch-research-results/
I found this one specially interesting...

DC COMICS: THE NEW 52 appealed mainly to avid fans and lapsed readers. More than 70% of those surveyed categorized themselves as avid fans who visit the comic book store every week. More than a quarter of in-store consumers were lapsed readers. The survey indicates that 5% of those polled identified themselves as first-time, new readers.

And this one is the natural follow up

Avid Fans purchased up to 20 titles out of the 52 titles.

So, DC didn't get new readers, but they found a way to make their readers to buy more comics. It's the same strategy the big two are trying in the last 30 years wit the Events/crossovers madness. Will it work this time?

I think it has worked....at least temporarily. Of course, the low quality of story telling in some of these titles isn't creating long term success.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on April 16, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Nope, like I've been saying for months.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on April 17, 2012, 12:31:34 AM
Quite frankly, I don't think it will work in the  long term. They need to find a way to get new readers without alienating the old ones. Make some of their readers buy more comics is a short term strategy, when one guy stops reading they loose 20 "buyers"...
With all the media coverage and an line wide reboot they got only 5% new readers and we don't know how many of them will stick around.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on April 17, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
We've had this discussion a few times, and despite some people claiming "it worked," and going on nonsensical rants about it, we just need to accept that Marvel and DC are deadset in their ways and aren't willing to try much outside of their comfort zones to really grab newer, younger readers, otherwise they wouldn't keep endorsing the same methods that pushed people away in the first place.

In other news, Wonder Woman is getting a new costume?!

(http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/wonder-womans-new-costume.jpg)

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/04/16/wonder-woman-gets-a-new-costume-and-a-pair-of-golden-guns/ (http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/04/16/wonder-woman-gets-a-new-costume-and-a-pair-of-golden-guns/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on April 17, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
Ug.  Well, that's about a third of what I've always said her costume should be, at least insomuch as it has some Greek elements...though they're lost in an overly complicated design.  Really, Darwyn Cooke's version of it from the New Frontier is pretty close to what I've always rather thought she needed, a look that made some sense given her origin, yet was still superheroic:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqgh2zAqTr1qg1iejo1_500.png

Also, WW wielding "golden guns"?  Ha....is Michael Bay somehow behind this?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on April 17, 2012, 02:03:33 AM


Also, WW wielding "golden guns"?  Ha....is Michael Bay somehow behind this?

Him or Rob Liefield.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on April 17, 2012, 02:31:40 AM
A quarter of those polled were lapsed readers coming back - that's nothing to sneer at though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on April 17, 2012, 02:53:20 AM
Too true CB, too true.

Ehh, that type of readership isn't going to last, though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on April 17, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
Wonder Woman wielding modern weapons is organic to the current run of Wonder Woman, as it depicts ancient Greek mythologies with a modern spin.

Also, it's the best book DC is pumping out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Panther_Gunn on April 18, 2012, 06:03:36 AM
Also, WW wielding "golden guns"?  Ha....is Michael Bay somehow behind this?

Judging by that cover, I'd say it was Simon Pegg.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on April 18, 2012, 01:29:28 PM
Wonder Woman wielding modern weapons is organic to the current run of Wonder Woman, as it depicts ancient Greek mythologies with a modern spin.

Agreed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on April 18, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
You know, the one thing I really miss is JSA...before they broke it up and killed Alan Scott and such..but just the JSA.  Wish DC had at least tried doing a 52 verison of them, just so we could see the team some more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on April 19, 2012, 12:41:31 AM
You know, the one thing I really miss is JSA...before they broke it up and killed Alan Scott and such..but just the JSA.  Wish DC had at least tried doing a GOOD 52 verison of them, just so we could see the team some more.

Fixed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on April 19, 2012, 12:45:36 AM
Looks like some of the actions DC (and Marvel) have pulled in the past has ended up pushing one creator away. Who, you ask? One Mr. Chris Roberson.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/04/18/will-before-watchmen-drive-creators-away/

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“If DC knew it couldn’t get any good talent if it acts this way, it would change,” said cartoonist John Linton Roberson (no relation) on the Facebook page. “That’s what caused the changes in the 80s that LED to Watchmen–that most of their big talent was going to Pacific, First and Eclipse. If the big 2 hadn’t been scared, royalties and rights of any kind never would have happened.”
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on May 03, 2012, 05:41:55 PM
so what does everyone think about dc's next wave or wave 2 or whatever? i think earth 2 may have potential.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on May 04, 2012, 12:43:01 AM
I'm looking forward to Batman Inc, but I'll probably get it in trade form.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on May 04, 2012, 03:10:26 AM
I am interested in seeing where Earth 2 goes, and Dial H is both creepy and awesome.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 05, 2012, 02:28:25 AM
None of the titles interest me, sadly.  If JSA was set in the 40's or 30's, portraying the original generation of super-heroes, I might be interested.  I'm of the opinion that their new world is far too ill-defined as yet to be creating alternate versions of it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bredon7777 on May 06, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
Second the Dial H for Hero being both creepy and awesome.

I am decidedly Meh on Earth-2, however.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: crimsonquill on May 06, 2012, 03:18:43 PM
Third the Dial H for Hero myself.. totally was awesome to see this title return and bringing back the wild and creepy once again.

- CQ
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on May 06, 2012, 11:37:49 PM
I'll give Earth-2 a few more issues to see how things play out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on May 07, 2012, 09:07:59 PM
I thought Earth 2 was exciting and a better story than the Justice League of America. I'm interested in seeing the characters we know adapted in a new light.

World's Finest felt like a new Birds of Prey book to me, which is something I enjoy, seeing as the current Birds of Prey book is lackluster at best.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on May 08, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
Earth 2 was interesting. The last few pages with Jay and Allen really grabbed my attention. I'll give the next issue a try for sure.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Bloodshadow on May 11, 2012, 10:28:29 PM
Gotta agree with you guys,Earth 2 is awesome! :thumbup:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on May 20, 2012, 08:00:09 PM
I just read "Earth 2" and while the premise is a lot better than I expect I still found the story bland, it should be epic, but was weak I liked the new Alan Scott, he looks promising, but I doubt I'll follow this one.
I was very surprised with "Worlds' Finest", it's pretty good! Good art and great characterization (the heroines didn't cry and wallows in self pity after a tragedy, they rebuild their lives and go on, like heroes are supposed to do) and the dialog is fun. I'll probably get issue 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: yell0w_lantern on May 21, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
Didio does it again.
I just read that DC has decided it must make one of its main characters homosexual [in order to sell more comics]. Way to seem insincere and ham-handed, DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on May 21, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
Didio does it again.
I just read that DC has decided it must make one of its main characters homosexual [in order to sell more comics]. Way to seem insincere and ham-handed, DC.

I'm shocked.

I'm shocked they didn't decide to go with two.  Batman and Superman can finally be "Super Friends" out in the open.  Or they could really explore the deep relationship between Batman and Robin.

 :thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on May 23, 2012, 08:59:49 PM
Didio does it again.
I just read that DC has decided it must make one of its main characters homosexual [in order to sell more comics]. Way to seem insincere and ham-handed, DC.

Not an attention grabber for me, maybe if it was to further develop a character or story, I would check it out. But not just to sell books.  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on May 23, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
You know it's going to be a B or C lister and said news will be used to combat Northstar's wedding to Mr. No Personality (Kyle). If they want to use a gay/lesbian character, then they should just stick with Batwoman, who, y'know, was so controversial way back when.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Bloodshadow on May 28, 2012, 07:13:13 PM
So....it's been revealed
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
:angry:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 29, 2012, 02:14:01 AM
 &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on May 29, 2012, 03:27:49 AM
So....They pick the guy in the puffy shirt?  Really?  The guy who was married and had children?  Aren't there any more logical choices for gay characters?

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on May 29, 2012, 04:58:59 AM
But how will we get Jade? :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Bloodshadow on May 29, 2012, 05:27:27 AM
Quote
But how will we get Jade?
An affair with hulk? :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on May 29, 2012, 05:40:45 AM
Because nobody gay in the '30s, '40s and '50s ever got married and had kids.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on May 29, 2012, 01:12:23 PM
Y'all are kind of assuming continuity that might not exist anymore.  One thing about the "New 52", DC can change anything they want at this point.

"Oh, yeah!  Everything is exactly the same except for all the things we want to be different!"

Kind of a large loophole, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: The Hitman on May 29, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
This seems like a cop-pot to me. If DC wanted to make this revelation as earth-shattering as they wanted it to be, at the very least they should've picked a character from the main continuity. Go big or go home, DC.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 29, 2012, 02:15:17 PM
No, just go home.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on May 31, 2012, 10:57:57 PM
I'm kinda surprised DC never created a Maggie Sawyer and Renee Montoya mini-series. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on June 01, 2012, 03:54:11 AM
I read the Batman Annual today. Quite enjoyed it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on June 01, 2012, 08:36:33 AM
Interview Re: Alan Scott being gay:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38946 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38946)

Quote
CBR News: James, "Earth-2" as a series is something you developed for a while before the comic hit the stands. At what point in the process did changing Alan Scott's sexual orientation come about, and what did you feel it added to the world and character?

James Robinson: We were developing the book for about eight months before the first issue came out, and there's a part of me that loves the old continuity and everything else. Obviously, I'm a huge fan of DC. But one of the things I felt was that if you're going to reinvent a universe, you should really go for it. You should go for it the way Grant Morrison has done with Superman or how Geoff Johns has come up with a new origin for the Justice League. With that in mind, the only thing I was sad about in terms of a younger Justice League was that there wasn't going to be Jade and Obsidian – Obsidian of course being Alan Scott's gay son. And just as one idea can foster the next, from there I went, "Why don't I just make Alan Scott gay?" And to Dan Didio's credit, there wasn't a moments hesitation on that. He just said, "That's a great idea," and we went with it.

And I can't speak for Dan, but I suspect that he is as surprised by how much attention this has gotten as I am, because I believe I did the first gay kiss in comics back in "Starman." That was in 1998 in issue #45. So this has been going on for a long time, and we obviously had Mikaal Tomas in the Justice League before this. So to me, it's a realistic aspect of the cross section of diversity that exists in society. That would exist on a team. So the fact that it's become a big deal, I'm a little surprised by that. But I'm delighted by the mainly positive reaction that it's gotten and the attention it's bringing to the book, which is obviously a really good thing.

I wanted to ask about that history with Mikaal Tomas Starman. Even though we've seen gay characters in mainstream comics and gay heroes, things like this and Marvel's wedding in "Astonishing X-Men" are drawing a lot more attention. What do you think has the raised spotlight on these stories, and does that attention change how you approach writing Alan at all?


One of the things I want to stress and one of the things I take pride in and hopefully do well is that when you meet these characters – and both Alan and [the Flash] Jay Garrick were only in two pages of the first issue – you'll see that I'm not changing them. I'm just turning them into modern day versions of how they used to be when they started out in the Golden Age. Jay Garrick was this young, slightly naive and idealistic guy that got his powers in the last year of college and went out into the real world. This version of Jay Garrick is pretty much the same person. The thing about "Earth-2" is that it isn't a magical world, but there's a little more mysticism there than there is on the main DCU. So all of these heroes get their powers in a slightly mystical way. As opposed to that strange original Jay Garrick origin with that "hard water" fictional science, he instead gets his powers from the dying god Mercury.

Alan Scott gets his powers from the green flame. He used to be this dynamic, bold, young guy who was originally an engineer but eventually became a radio announcer and then a radio station owner. Then as TV became a part of life, the Gotham City Broadcasting Company became a TV station too. So we're really going back to the way he was – that honorable, brave, type-A hero that he was starting out. The only thing I've done is treat his sexuality differently. But to me, that's just one aspect, one facet of the character. There are so many other aspects to him.

As for why it's getting all this attention, I think maybe it's just the time. The public is now more aware of this sort of thing and frankly is more accepting of it all. I think that's a good thing. It's the progress of society.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: steamteck on June 01, 2012, 01:55:10 PM
I read the Batman Annual today. Quite enjoyed it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Makes him way less sympathetic though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: lugaru on June 01, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
Wow, a gay alternate reality character. It is like sunfire in 2001, only hyped.

Honestly if DC would have snuck this in, I would be happy. As an teased "big deal", turns out it is not.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on June 01, 2012, 08:48:12 PM
So I guess neither of Alan's children (Jade and Obsidian, wasn't Obsidian gay?) exist?

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on June 01, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
yes, he was gay, and no they do not exist. Covered in the article, first question.  &lt;_&lt;

Yep, I just  &lt;_&lt; you.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on June 01, 2012, 09:30:16 PM
Whoops, I missed that.

Dana  :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on June 01, 2012, 11:33:57 PM
Makes him way less sympathetic though.

Indeed. But that's what they were going for.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on June 02, 2012, 12:19:25 AM
Makes him way less sympathetic though.

Indeed. But that's what they were going for.

I've never understood why all of Batman's villains need to be psycho-killers.  Wasn't three-quarters of them enough?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: thalaw2 on June 02, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
DC missed a great chance with making Alan Scott gay.  He's from the 40's...they could have worked so many angles to explain him having kids and such.  Making it an alternate reality seems a little weak to me....but time will tell.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: knuckles knick on June 02, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
Man, what is is with comics now a days that they are seriously pushing their homosexual views on us.  Just dropped Young Avengers from the multiple gay characters they are pushing.  jeeze!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on June 02, 2012, 05:25:37 PM
The... two...gay characters that have been in the book since issue 1? There's like a handful of active gay and bi characters out there right now in mainstream comics as opposed to the heap of straight ones. Let's calm our hyperboles.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on June 02, 2012, 06:17:14 PM
DC missed a great chance with making Alan Scott gay.  He's from the 40's...they could have worked so many angles to explain him having kids and such.  Making it an alternate reality seems a little weak to me....but time will tell.

I agree.  An older character coming out now, with the explanation that they felt they couldn't earlier, would have had more impact.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on June 02, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
One of the main reasons behind the DC reboot was the "need" to make characters younger. DC feels comics readers do not trust anyone older than 29 because they're not "edgy" enough.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on June 03, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
I read the Batman Annual today. Quite enjoyed it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

personally i know the origin that is most popular is in its self a reboot, this knew one makes the character lose any uniqueness about his motivation and just turns him into the general obsessive geek who didn't get the girl and went nuts.


(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs27/f/2008/156/f/f/Mr__Freeze_by_Livio_by_Livio27.jpg)

the freeze change annoys me because it ruins aspects and moments like the image above

the DCAU freeze was a bastard and a killer no one doubts that but in a way you really could see where he was coming from and you may have done the same if stuck in his position, its a story that lead to really deep character driven moments

if you look at it with the new 52 freeze in mind, its the generic psycho nerd who is obsessed with some woman stuck in a fridge
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 03, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
Agreed TUE.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on June 03, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
I completely disagree.

Freeze was a psychopathic killer pre-Nu52 and and he's still one now. Does Nora being his wife somehow justify killing innocent people? A psychopathic murderer is a psychopathic murderer.

Also, that picture can be interpreted as obsession.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on June 03, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
I completely disagree.

Freeze was a psychopathic killer pre-Nu52 and and he's still one now. Does Nora being his wife somehow justify killing innocent people? A psychopathic murderer is a psychopathic murderer.

Also, that picture can be interpreted as obsession.

Nuh-uh-uh!

Now, murs... UE is not gonna do that thing with you where he explains his opinion, you explain yours, and he interprets it as you telling him he's wrong. Apologize. You're out of line. And obsessed. With something. Probs yourself.

See, UE, I gotcho back. *holds knife and serious stares UE's back*  :twisted:

*disappears in a cloud of biting sarcasm*
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 03, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
I completely disagree.

Freeze was a psychopathic killer pre-Nu52 and and he's still one now. Does Nora being his wife somehow justify killing innocent people? A psychopathic murderer is a psychopathic murderer.

Also, that picture can be interpreted as obsession.

They turned him into a psychopathic killer in the comics after his renaissance in the DCAU, which I always hated.  There were good stories told, but they made him less special.  However, I'd argue that this is not the core of the character as he was reimagined in TAS.  Freeze was always one of the most rational of the villains, driven, but not necessarily insane.  He was sympathetic in a way that most of the rest of the Bat rogue's gallery just can't really be.  Perhaps he was obsessed with Nora, willing to do great and terrible things to save her or revenge her memory, but that is part of what make him interesting.  That's the villain inside of him, the part of him that is willing to sacrifice others for the sake of his love, a sacrifice she herself would certainly not condone.  Obsessed?  Probably, but so was Romeo.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on June 03, 2012, 11:21:44 PM
I completely disagree.

Freeze was a psychopathic killer pre-Nu52 and and he's still one now. Does Nora being his wife somehow justify killing innocent people? A psychopathic murderer is a psychopathic murderer.

Also, that picture can be interpreted as obsession.

They turned him into a psychopathic killer in the comics after his renaissance in the DCAU, which I always hated.  There were good stories told, but they made him less special.  However, I'd argue that this is not the core of the character as he was reimagined in TAS.  Freeze was always one of the most rational of the villains, driven, but not necessarily insane.  He was sympathetic in a way that most of the rest of the Bat rogue's gallery just can't really be.  Perhaps he was obsessed with Nora, willing to do great and terrible things to save her or revenge her memory, but that is part of what make him interesting.  That's the villain inside of him, the part of him that is willing to sacrifice others for the sake of his love, a sacrifice she herself would certainly not condone.  Obsessed?  Probably, but so was Romeo.

Agreed.  DCAU Freeze went through some very dark periods in his life (such as at the beginning of "Deep Freeze" episode and just about everything after the Sub-Zero movie), but there were brief moments when the benevolent Victor still seemed to exist (his sacrifice at the end of "Deep Freeze," the end of the Sub-Zero movie, his temporary reform in Batman Beyond, etc.)  The Batman "Gotham Adventures" comics had some very good Mr. Freeze stories that bridged the gap between Nora's revival and how Freeze's head ended up in the possession of Wayne-Powers.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on June 05, 2012, 01:51:16 AM
"Before Watchmen" preview and interview:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-06-04/Before-Watchmen-Minutemen-comic-book-series/55380956/1
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on June 15, 2012, 12:19:53 AM
So in the latest Batman:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Synder's Batman is pretty great stuff. I recommend it.

I also got the Batman Incorporated hardcover and finished it this week. I really enjoyed it. It follows Bruce as he goes to different countries recruiting international heroes for his Batman army while new and obscure villains that Grant Morrison has given a spin all linked to Leviathan. The more time goes on the more I enjoy Morrison's Batman. I was a bit surprised by how much I enjoyed this series. The idea of Batman going around recruiting heroes I didn't really care about sounded like it'd be hard to get into but I didn't have any trouble with it.
Now I'm trying to decide whether to pick up the new series monthly or continue with trades. It reads well in trade format.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on June 17, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on June 17, 2012, 01:32:45 PM
So in the latest Batman:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Synder's Batman is pretty great stuff. I recommend it.

I also got the Batman Incorporated hardcover and finished it this week. I really enjoyed it. It follows Bruce as he goes to different countries recruiting international heroes for his Batman army while new and obscure villains that Grant Morrison has given a spin all linked to Leviathan. The more time goes on the more I enjoy Morrison's Batman. I was a bit surprised by how much I enjoyed this series. The idea of Batman going around recruiting heroes I didn't really care about sounded like it'd be hard to get into but I didn't have any trouble with it.
Now I'm trying to decide whether to pick up the new series monthly or continue with trades. It reads well in trade format.

Snyder's Batman is really, really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally good. Latest issue blew my mind away.

You know I missed the initial run of Batman Inc. But I picked up the first issue of the new run thinking it tied into Night of Owls. Much to surprise, I was not disappointed that it didn't. I'll be checking this series out more and probably picking up the trade of the previous run.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've noticed that nearly all heroes (at both DC and Marvel) are only children...Weird.

Good sir, you've forgotten to include your spoiler tags.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on June 17, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
Oh crap...Sorry about that, Murs.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on June 22, 2012, 01:19:02 PM
for those of you not following the "little league" comic on tumblr (you need to. srsly.) they've been running a little arc where they adopted some of the new 52 costumes temporarily... and I thought the conclusion was a pretty good summary of what DC's missing with the current reboot.

http://littleleaguecomic.tumblr.com/post/25621371238/enjoy-little-league-50-by-yale-stewart
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on July 18, 2012, 04:19:58 AM
Scott Lobdel strikes again:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I fail to see the point of the change, it only makes the character less recognizable for the people who discovered him on the tv shows like BTAS or Young Justice.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on July 18, 2012, 04:54:36 AM
Yes...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on July 18, 2012, 05:44:56 AM
Seriousley? Lobdell is the worst thing about the new 52. Everything he is writing is garbage...and I'm easily entertained person.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on July 18, 2012, 04:41:13 PM
...and I'm easily entertained person.

I guess you are more self-aware than most give you credit for. Congrats, home girl.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 18, 2012, 03:47:25 PM
Ok, latest issue of Wonder Woman was too good to be true...but it was true...and good. I do have a question though. Is the power set she revealed after removing her bracers new via Nu52?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 18, 2012, 07:01:29 PM
I'm beginning to tire of most of the New DC titles I've been getting.  They just keep doing the same types of things that they did before the reboot, and I'm just really not interested in many of these ideas.  I've been thoroughly enjoying their new Flash book.  In fact, it's been just about my favorite of the set, but several events from recent issues have left me disappointed.  The same is true of the recent Aquaman arc, though for different reasons.  If I can scrape out some time in the next while, I'd like to write up some reviews about what's happened so far in these books.  Justice League has been entirely mediocre for most of its run so far.  If I had to put a name to the vague disease these DC titles awaken in my mind, I think it would be this: Many of these books reek of desperation.

In the end, it seems a foregone conclusion that DC's shortsighted conduct will see my return to their books being rather short-lived in turn.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 18, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Well Benton, if you're in the market for a decent replacement dc book, the YJ books by Weisman have been amazing. I've told you this before, but no one listens to the crazy tomato man.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on August 18, 2012, 11:35:19 PM
Ok, latest issue of Wonder Woman was too good to be true...but it was true...and good. I do have a question though. Is the power set she revealed after removing her bracers new via Nu52?

That's a new thing. How great was that book? I've been sayin' it since the reboot: Wonder Woman is definitely the best DC book out now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on August 19, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
Ok, latest issue of Wonder Woman was too good to be true...but it was true...and good. I do have a question though. Is the power set she revealed after removing her bracers new via Nu52?

That's a new thing. How great was that book? I've been sayin' it since the reboot: Wonder Woman is definitely the best DC book out now.
qft!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 19, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Please. It's Batman...then Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on August 19, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
Batman and Wonder Woman have both been quality titles since the relaunch last year, as has Flash.  From a sales standpoint the New 52 has been quite a success for DC, but creatively I have some misgivings about it still.  I don't actually think DC is putting out any more books that are high quality, but I do think that more of their quality books happen to be high profile characters compared to before the relaunch, where most of the quality books were the ones flying under a lot of people's radar.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 19, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the only titles that still receive my money. JL never got good (I was holding out), Teen Titans fell off a cliff (seriously this comic is just bad), and Superboy/Supergirl's pace just hasn't kept me interested.

Here's to year two of Wondy and the New Gods and Aquaman going somewhere with this Green Latnern-like talisman quest. Also where is Aqualad? He was such a huge part of Aquaman and it seems like Geoff is just deciding to ignore Jackson even though he and the Bermuda Triangle Mera people /Black Manta thing was infinitely more interesting then the "SEVEN".
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 20, 2012, 03:43:18 AM
Yeah AA, I hear you.  I haven't read much with the new Aqualad, but I certainly liked what little I had seen.  There were pretty interesting ideas behind him, which is more than can be said for a lot of characters.  I have been fairly unimpressed with A) the character designs Johns is so proud of in this arc, and B) the general quality of the writing and plotting.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 20, 2012, 01:50:17 PM
Has he even been seen post-52? According to wikipedia he was gonna be in TT (thank god that fell through) but "will instead appear in another book," but I don't see what else they could reasonably put him other than Aquaman.

For the record, I've been reasonably ok with Green Lantern. Sure, it's still more flash then substance, but it's been that way since Rebirth and nothing really changed with the book post N52. The origins of the indigo tribe were interesting, the black lantern stuff isn't really objectionable, at least not yet (I was worried that they were going to go all black lantern army on us again, but they scaled back black hand's powers a lot) and I'm hoping the conclusion of this arc, assuming it goes how it seems, will FINALLY end the constant "ZOMG the guardians are total pricks" storylines they've had going for an eternity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 20, 2012, 08:22:08 PM
Has he even been seen post-52? According to wikipedia he was gonna be in TT (thank god that fell through) but "will instead appear in another book," but I don't see what else they could reasonably put him other than Aquaman.

I'm glad he also didn't get Teen Titan-ed, none of those characters save Tim Drake have any connections to their mentors. Also I'm pretty sure they are going to reveal that "Bart Allen" is not in fact the grandson of Barry Allen (which sucks). It is sad that Teen Titans was always the book where I could a youthful perspective on heroics and their relations with their adult mentors but now it is just random dren happening to people with names of characters I use to love plus a gay (yet fun) character.

I miss the good ol' days of comics... :/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Panther_Gunn on August 21, 2012, 07:21:52 PM
I miss the good ol' days of comics... :/

Whoa, careful there.  That's a very slippery slope before you start sounding like an opinionated illustrator (on the sixth go 'round) or a certain aqua-fan.   ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on August 22, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
speaking of wonder woman

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/08/22/justice-league-12-exclusive/


Spoiler (click to show/hide)


yaaaaaaaay originally
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on August 22, 2012, 10:38:03 PM
Comics: Rob Liefeld Calls It Quits at DC (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172353-comics-rob-liefeld-calls-it-quits-at-dc)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8pqbv4y3N1qd0as9.gif)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4cebqF4HY1r3zat8.gif)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6jnkc8y5E1rr7c36.gif)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 22, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
I echo Midnite's sentiments, I just wish he walked before he ruined Hawk and Dove for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 22, 2012, 10:59:03 PM
About Liefeld leaving:
 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

About the "new Justice League couple":
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 23, 2012, 12:10:09 AM
On the chance that it might have actually be good, I bought and read Teen Titans #12. Not only was it not good, it was terrible and yet again I am questioning why these teen superheroes have my favorite characters' names and powers are pretending to the 90s X-Men.

The only interesting piece of this confusing puzzle was...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh also...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 23, 2012, 04:20:30 AM
Our buddy, Rob is vewy angry with DC, vewy angry indeed...
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/08/rob-liefeld-walks-off-three-dc-titles-to-preserve-my-sanity/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on August 23, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
I thought Rob left a few weeks ago? I recall news of him twitter ranting being in the comic-sphere and how some of his comments were taken as insults to other creators. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else? Doubt it though.

Also, someone else is leaving DC. Odd exodus over there, yeah?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/10/editor-sean-mackiewicz-moves-from-dc-comics-to-skybound/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/10/editor-sean-mackiewicz-moves-from-dc-comics-to-skybound/)

Quote
Before San Diego Comic Con, I began to hear rumours that Robert Kirkman had been approaching Marvel and DC editorial staff on behalf of his publishing imprint Skybound.

That seems to have born fruit today. Sina Grace has announced  (http://www.skybound.com/skybound/2012/8/10/leap-of-faith.html)that Kirkman has hired Sean Mackiewicz as a Skybound editor, to replace Grace so he can focus on his own comic, L’il Depressed Boy and an upcoming graphic novel Not My Bag.

Sean Mackiewicz was an editor or assistant editor on New 52 books such as Aquaman, Green Lantern: New Guardians, Stormwatch and Suicide Squad, as well as  Earth 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 23, 2012, 09:50:40 PM
Seriousley? Lobdell is the worst thing about the new 52. Everything he is writing is garbage...and I'm easily entertained person.

I thought Liefeld was the worst thing about it?  Oh well...

Dana :D  :yipee
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 23, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
speaking of wonder woman

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/08/22/justice-league-12-exclusive/


Spoiler (click to show/hide)


yaaaaaaaay originally

UGH....Yeah, go with the most predictable match up and you'll have a big seller...Snore.  I was far more impressed with
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on August 24, 2012, 01:10:32 PM
Supes & WW... Good hype, bad planning.

http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/337-tone-rodriguez

I think Gutters has called this one the right way.  DC's basically doing the equivalent of porn or trashy romance novels without actually graphically depicting the sexual act.  Once you hit the climax, all that's left is to roll over and go to sleep.

DC probably could do good things with it, with the right writer and the right editorial support.  But they won't.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on August 24, 2012, 03:46:07 PM

DC probably could do good things with it, with the right writer and the right editorial support.  But they won't.

Yeah but where are they going to find any of those ingredents witht he current crop of writers or editors?!?!?!   :blink:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: captmorgan72 on August 24, 2012, 11:18:16 PM
Not sure if this has already been discussed but wow. I like it and I don't like it. I love the classic Captain Marvel but then again, Billy is no longer that hero. http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/06/hey-everybody-heres-the-first-look-at-dcs-shazam/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 25, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Update on Rob Liefeld situation, wow the guy is a nutjob

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/25/rob-liefeld-versus-tom-brevoort-oh-its-on/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on August 26, 2012, 12:19:21 AM
Snyder just burned the crap out of The Rob.

Quote
Snyder: "Aw, I'll give you credit Rob!  Batman might sell inspite of me and @GregCapullo as u say, but deathstroke & Hawkman failed because of you!"
Rob: "my sales went up on those books @Ssnyder1835 sorry bud."
Snyder: "Credit where it's due, brother :-) and that's all I'll say on that. Ah, comics." Followed of course by "Lol. And you can put that in your pouch and keep it for later :-)"
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 26, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
Ya Liefeld seems to have rlly lost it, and Snyder happens to be the new victim. And if u read or watch any interview with Snyder, the guy is one the most humble people in the business, Rob rlly is trying to kill his career here (u'd think his art would have done it by now).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: laughing paradox on August 27, 2012, 12:16:48 AM
I can't express just how enjoyable watching this meltdown has been. The insults to Brevoort had me laughing. (Get back to mixing and matching Avengers and X-men!)

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on August 27, 2012, 02:05:38 AM
Rob has been melting down for 2+ weeks straight then because I do remember that D-list comment he made before he officially "left" DC. I was shocked it was never brought up here.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on August 27, 2012, 11:36:00 AM
yeah, the deadpool d-list stuff, quitting DC, badmouthing them, feuds with Snyder and Breevort,  last time I checked he was even talking smack about Rich Johnston, the guy that runs bleeding cool. Or maybe he was just saying that the forums there were full of pissants.

Erik Larsen stepped up to kind of defend Liefeld a bit saying that it is quite difficult to tell how much of an impact a creator has on an established character like Batman, but when you also take into account the track record of Swamp Thing and American Vampire.... Snyder's influence on Batman becoming the premier batbook is unmistakable.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: RTTingle on August 27, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
Something funny I stumbled across...
"And, before people start thinking I'm sounding all Liefeld" -Brad Walker

Heh heh heh.

I have to say, I lost my way with a lot of comics and part of the reason is what was said by the DC crew with Superman and Wonder Woman.  I read comics mostly for fun and escape.  Nothing wrong with serious stories or stories meant to make you think, etc.  When you say you're doing this to be the talk of the cooler though?  I'm out.  Stories just for reaction are never worth a damn.  Sure, the bump you may get from it goes up, but it will go down just as fast and is never worth it.  Have to say, been disappointed as hell with all these crossover mega-storylines and things done to get people talking.  They never serve the purpose of the character, their stories or the DC Universe as a whole. 

Have to say, not much a reader of DC or Marvel lately.  The comics I've been enjoying lately have mostly been from Dynamite. 

-RTT
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 27, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
DC will have another Justice League, and look who is the leader...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/new-justice-league-of-america.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on August 27, 2012, 10:35:15 PM
DC will have another Justice League, and look who is the leader...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/new-justice-league-of-america.html

(http://cdn2.superherohype.com/images/stories/2012/August/JLA_625.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on August 28, 2012, 03:17:16 AM
yeah, the deadpool d-list stuff, quitting DC, badmouthing them, feuds with Snyder and Breevort,  last time I checked he was even talking smack about Rich Johnston, the guy that runs bleeding cool. Or maybe he was just saying that the forums there were full of pissants.

He also took a swipe at an artist working on one of his books. I wonder if something deeper is at the root of this. He's lashing out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: RTTingle on August 28, 2012, 03:23:25 AM
Is it me or is the first vibe you got out of this is...

Ultimate Avengers, done by DC... right down to Trevor taking the Fury role?

-RTT
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 28, 2012, 03:36:40 AM
Is it me or is the first vibe you got out of this is...

Ultimate Avengers, done by DC... right down to Trevor taking the Fury role?

-RTT

It reminds me of "Extreme Justice", and this is a very bad memory...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 28, 2012, 11:45:59 AM
He also took a swipe at an artist working on one of his books. I wonder if something deeper is at the root of this. He's lashing out.

I've heard one person ponder if he's the second coming of Dave Sim. In any case, it's not especially surprising to me, considering how he reacted to Shatterstar being outted in X-Factor. The man seems to be accustomed to the taste of his own foot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on August 28, 2012, 04:39:43 PM
Yeah I've DRASTICALLY cut down my consumption of DC comics.
Batman, Wonder Woman, Animal Man, Swamp Thing and Frankenstein.
it was only a few months ago that I was buying 20 books a month.

I had to stop Justice League after issue 2, it was just awful, and this extreme justice thing looks just as bad.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 28, 2012, 05:16:14 PM
This team doesn't look anything l like the team that is fighting the Justice League in the FCBD issue. Where is Element-Woman? Atom? Etc? Urgh this who NuDC thing with the exception for Wondie is just bad.

Also I totally agree with Steve Trevor being Nick Fury and A.R.G.U.S. oh come on. Hey DC, stop stealing ideas from Marvel when your comics were fine the way they were.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on August 28, 2012, 06:20:37 PM
New Superman comic?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/28/jim-lee-scott-snyder-man-of-steel/

More news about the "Power Couple":
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 28, 2012, 06:49:16 PM
Oh god I just realized John's new Justice League of America reminds me of Bendis' New Avengers and not just cause of the art.

Also why not just make the recent Superman comic enjoyable instead of adding another one?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on August 28, 2012, 06:52:00 PM
This team doesn't look anything l like the team that is fighting the Justice League in the FCBD issue. Where is Element-Woman? Atom? Etc? Urgh this who NuDC thing with the exception for Wondie is just bad.

Also I totally agree with Steve Trevor being Nick Fury and A.R.G.U.S. oh come on. Hey DC, stop stealing ideas from Marvel when your comics were fine the way they were.

FCBD pic, I think Element-Woman is part of Justice League Dark, only person who's on Steve's league is the new GL, Hawkman, Green Arrow, Vibe and maybe Atom?

(http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/trinity_war_FCBD_lantern.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 28, 2012, 07:30:54 PM
See that is the confusing part. If Hawkman and Green Arrow are on the same team why are they fighting in this promo?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on August 28, 2012, 09:05:10 PM
See that is the confusing part. If Hawkman and Green Arrow are on the same team why are they fighting in this promo?

Like you said, it was a promo pic. Maybe the original plan was to have GA was on the JLA roster. In JLA #8, GA wanted to join the league. With all the last minutes changes DC keeps making. I doubt that's the final roster for Steve Trevor's league.  :mellow:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 29, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
Yeah, it didn't take DC long to completely lose my interest.  By the way, that new GL costume is extremely ugly.

By the way, Midnight, your signature is entirely too mesmerizing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 29, 2012, 02:16:41 AM
By the way, Midnight, your signature is entirely too mesmerizing.

And awesome. I miss those days.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 05, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
Is the Darkseid from the Earth 2 titles the same guy form the Justice League first story arc? From the "Zero Issues" preview we know Earth 2 fought the Apokolips forces for years and they lost entire countries and their greatest heroes to "win" the war. But the young, unexperienced, League defeated Darkseid and his forces in days or even hours (and using Wonder Woman's "Let's blind him!" not so brilliant plan)?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 06, 2012, 04:22:08 PM
My feelings on the new Green Lantern (http://tomatoisjp.tumblr.com/post/30998876655/damnit-dc) (WARNING, Language heavy!)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 07, 2012, 02:36:03 AM
I'll agree, 4 Earth Lanterns are enough, this should have happened elsewhere.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Spe-Dog on September 11, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Yeah, it didn't take DC long to completely lose my interest.  By the way, that new GL costume is extremely ugly.

By the way, Midnight, your signature is entirely too mesmerizing.

Looks like Mac Tonight from the old McDonalds commercials on crack.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Spe-Dog on September 14, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
My only real problems with the DCnU is (of course the seams, geez everyone is wearing armor-Superman, the most powerful man on the planet is wearing armor, does that not seem redundant to anyone else- and SEAMS ON EVERYTHING) but the Kents being dead and the lack of Wally West!  C'mon, DC throw him a bone!  Even Kyle Rayner is still around and Wally definitely is more deserving of headlining a book...or at least...you know...EXISTING.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 17, 2012, 12:12:29 AM
Rebooting the reboot, or, why we "love" DC:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Fixed.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 17, 2012, 09:38:20 AM
Whatever you posted, it's not showing up for me.

Quote
My only real problems with the DCnU is (of course the seams, geez everyone is wearing armor-Superman, the most powerful man on the planet is wearing armor, does that not seem redundant to anyone else- and SEAMS ON EVERYTHING) but the Kents being dead and the lack of Wally West!  C'mon, DC throw him a bone!  Even Kyle Rayner is still around and Wally definitely is more deserving of headlining a book...or at least...you know...EXISTING.

DC is really weird like that. They're hesitant to even acknowledge the existence of Wally, Cass and Steph, presumably on the grounds that there's not an organic story-driven way to integrate them into the canon, yet Kyle remains, every male Robin remains, and they've been able to keep Solstice, a character who was only a few months old,  in the Teen Titans books alongside the older characters, even in a tweaked form.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on September 25, 2012, 03:25:24 AM
I thought DC rebooted their universe to made things less confusing, not more...
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/24/bat-times-they-are-a-bat-changin/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on September 25, 2012, 12:03:46 PM
I thought DC rebooted their universe to made things less confusing, not more...
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/24/bat-times-they-are-a-bat-changin/

This is the problem with only rebooting 3/4s of your universe.  There's no way to fit everything Batman's supposed to still have done, along with all his various sidekicks, into the greatly condensed timeframe of the new DC universe.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 27, 2012, 03:06:21 AM
So I read Teen Titans #0 today:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

More Batman reveals from the zero issues: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-batman-revelations-from-zero-issues-1.html
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: thalaw2 on September 27, 2012, 05:04:27 AM
That's terrible!  Absolutely terrible!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Spe-Dog on September 27, 2012, 03:32:49 PM
Trying to make all of these changes fit and still have Hal Jordan's and Bruce Wayne's timelines pre-existing timelines still work has liquified my brain and made it run out of my ear.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 27, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
Well, this is what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. 

For my part, I'm extremely frustrated and more than a little disappointed, despite my low expectations.  Ahh...man, they've just squandered such great potential...such wonderful ideas....I knew from the beginning that the bright spots couldn't carry them for long, nor would they last forever....and I tried very hard to not invest any hope in these guys...but it still makes me very sad.  I've loved the Flash book from the first issue...yet even that title is really weakening.  DC has made a profound and foundational mistake in all of this, and I see it extremely clearly with the Flash.  He's a great character, and they created an interesting world for him...but honestly, the untold history they keep referring back to, the years of previous adventures the Flash is supposed to have had, they all seem more interesting than what is going on with most of the book.  I want to read those stories.  I want to see Barry become the Flash, meet these characters that are already his established villains, see the world grow....that's one of the many ways DC has strapped the albatross around their own necks.  Instead of starting fresh, REALLY starting fresh, we get this very uneven experiment, and although the resulting world has interesting facets, its past seems more interesting than the current pockmarked age.

The Flash series, perhaps, is what makes me the most sad, because it is so close to an excellent book...but between the weakness of current stories, the frustrating revamps of classic villains (they all just scream "We're Ultimate and hip!" to me), and the needless inclusion of elements that trouble me, morally, I don't know that I can justify sticking with it.

Aquaman is another example.  "The Others" storyline has just been dead weight.  We're tossed into a tale already in motion.  En media res may be a good storytelling tactic, it may work for the Iliad and Odyssey, but it isn't a panacea, and it doesn't work if you don't take the time to fill in the necessary history.  We're presented with half a dozen new, completely unknown characters, told nothing about them at all, then asked to care about their trails, tribulations, and brutally violent deaths...if we had started with Aquaman's history with these guys, if we had seen him meet them, seen them developed, well, that is a story I would have enjoyed. 

I'm debating whether to cancel all of my DC books, or just JLA.  There's just so little heroism to be found in that book that, as much as I wish I could enjoy those stories, it is the easiest title to drop.  Flash is tougher.  Just as I had made my decision, they told a pretty decent and compelling story in the annual...though it was also crippled by a weak ending and the return of Grodd....their version of whom I really don't like.  I feel like I need to at least ride out the current storyline with Aquaman, but my patience is wearing thin.

It all makes me more than a little anxious to return to the DCUG, to be honest.  With so many examples of what not to do, it makes me long to do it right.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Spe-Dog on September 28, 2012, 03:22:02 PM
I have to agree, Benton.  Aquaman, Swamp Thing, and Batman have really come out of this the best and I look forward to reading (reading about what happened online in the books anyway) what happened here monthly.  Superman is my favorite superhero and I have made no secret about it, but they are trying way too hard to make this guy Emo-Man.  They should change Action Comics to Angsty McAngst Comics.  Grant Morrison is interesting and I am still following his take on the character since I trust him and know he plays the long game, but Superman's main title is going nowhere right now; this is NOT the world's greatest hero.  I have no problem with going back to the social crusader version of the character from the 30's but he seems so indecisive and green, even in his own book and JLA which both take place in the modern day!(but you know, Batman has all his stuff under control as always, because he always has a plan for everything, because he's the....well, he's The Batman).

Tim...whatever his last name really is, but it sure ain't Drake.  Wally West doesn't exist.  Hal Jordan is dead or trapped in a Black Lantern ring in favor of making yet ANOTHER Earthling a GL.  The JSA exists on a parallel Earth again.  Barry Allen decided to model his costume after the characters in 'Tron'.  Hawkman is a displaced Thanagarian again I guess, minus the Egyptian reincarnation angle.  Martian Manhunter is not part of the league in favor of CYBORG!?  Everyone has been around for five years...or at least acts like they are five years old.  How is any of this better than what came before?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 28, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
The biggest problem with DC's reboot is that it's only half a reboot (if that) and from what I've read not all creators have been 100% on the same page.

A true reboot should have started from day one. So you wouldn't have 4 Robins, you'd just be starting up the first one. A problem with this is that DC would risk alienating a large chunk of it's current audience with no guarantees anyone would buy into the new stuff. Another problem is that many of your writers were invested in those newer characters and story elements. Morrison wouldn't want to give up his Batman Inc stuff, Johns doesn't want to give up all the Green Lantern stuff he's been building up, etc. A third problem for DC is that they need to put out a certain number of titles (around 52) to maintain regular business.

If I'd been in charge I'd probably have done an incremental reboot. I wouldn't cancel any existing books (not for the reboot anyway) but I'd start up a handful of reboot books with top creative teams. These books would start up the New DC universe, so a Batman book, Superman, Green Lantern, maybe a few others, whatever makes sense. You'd need to make sure these writers and the editors are all on the same page and moving everything in a unified direction. As time goes on I'd introduce new books leading up to Justice League and continue until you'd built up a full new universe. Also it's important to tell fans up front that this is the plan.

At the same time I'd continue to publish the existing books, but I'd tell the writers that the long term plan is to move on to the Rebooted universe. Writers would be encouraged to think about proper endings to their books, but without a strict timeline to do so. As time went on books would come to an end/be cancelled, and eventually the universe would come to a close. Maybe quietly with a final Superman story, or maybe loudly with a big final event.

The idea is similar to how Marvel started up the Ultimate universe, but I'm not aware of any strong plan to replace the universe and clearly things didn't play out that way at all.



Anyway that's how I'd handle a company wide reboot (at either company). There's still problems that would arrive. It's still a universe of books and continuity will build up, but to me that's what super hero comics are and some version of that should always exist. To counter that I'd make it much easier for creators to make "elseworlds" style books that could even be ongoings.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 29, 2012, 12:49:56 AM
On-going Elseworlds books, that would be cool.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Spe-Dog on October 02, 2012, 04:56:23 PM
On-going Elseworlds books, that would be cool.

I second this.  Something along the lines of Elseworld's featuring specific characters or something like Marvel's "What If..." books dealing with specific storylines.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 10, 2012, 06:28:18 AM
I wish I could formulate half the opinions the rest of you can about the New 52, as myself I'm still at odds. I can say " enjoying some, but would enjoy better if " would sum me up.
A lot of the larger name franchise series became less interesting to me, the Batfamily books, Super books (well Superboy is kind of intriguing to me), Flash, ect. I still gobble up the Lantern books, if not out of force of habit, and probably enjoy the structure and storytelling on the main Green Lantern series the most. Surprisingly I don't really get excited for the Red Lanterns series as I thought the opposite effect would take hold. Unlike many, I wasn't riveted by Animal Man nor the Frankenstein stuff. Maybe it's not my personal cup of tea. I seem to be more enjoying Suicide Squad, Birds Of Prey, Stormwatch and Teen Titans than the rest for now. These seem a little more removed to me I guess and therefore a little more surprising...or maybe I'm on a team book kick, I dunno. My opinion of the zero issues was...well hard to place since their seemed to be a variation in what the books where trying to accomplish. Some read like just another issue of their respective series, some like something that should have been saved for a larger handbook or origins type 1-shot, some past stories. I probably could have done without that whole lot to be honest. Personally, just outside of the stories I was reading spontaneously ending as they did for everyone else, I lost my top favorite DC reads at the time prior (Secret Six, Doom Patrol and R.E.B.E.L.S.) I had a bummed out emotion coming in. I can say I'm not that let down ultimately and am enjoying it a bit more than I expected. I'm still reading them anyways, that much is true. I keep looking for comparisons to Jim Lee's Heroes Reborn and it's redux, WW3 (this was a four issue story where the revamped Marvel Universe was amalgamated with Wildstorm for those that don't know) for some reason, but I'm finding it less the case. Lastly, I can say I fully understand the " had to " reasons for this happening, in every detail, which I'm noting where it's happening at Marvel as well. I get it, and I get how things changed so the comics had to radically and fast too, but do find myself asking if they're taking advantage of the situation and maybe changing them too radically and in ways not for the better nor artistic presence, but more for what is tailored to the seemingly best marketing stratagem. Due to the had to's as well, I do not believe we will see a return to the DCU prior anytime soon nor am I going to fixate on hope for that, and will try instead to ride this and whatever comes next out and dig on what seems to appeal to me the best. It's curious to say the most, disorienting the least. Again it's also the new way of course though (where to begin with the huge shuffling process over at the other big company, oy!).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 11, 2012, 02:54:30 AM
Anybody read part one of "Death of the Family" in Scott Snyder's Batman? I did and I thought it was great.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on October 11, 2012, 04:06:41 AM
I also read and I also loved it. It is good stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 11, 2012, 11:52:09 PM
Read it, as well as the Batgirl #13 prelude. I didn't read any of the other DCnU bat-books as of yet, sans the #0 issues, and was going to hold out but this crosses into other books I'm current on. I liked it, no real complaints. It already stands up as traditional Bat story, and seems that it will accomplish the job of answering a few lingering questions in DCnu (Harley's stuff in particular of interest to me, yes I'm one of those people).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on December 10, 2012, 02:40:34 AM
Apparently DC took Gail Simone off of Batgirl...

...and she was notified via email.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/12/gail-simone-no-longer-the-writer-of-batgirl/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on December 10, 2012, 02:58:22 AM
I want to give DC the benefit of the doubt on this one, since we don't know why she was taken off the book and she doesn't seem angry about it either... but it's dc, so I dunno. It seems to me like right now they wouldn't want to mess with one of the few well received books coming out of the new 52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on December 10, 2012, 04:39:32 AM
Dc has really lost me in recent months, going from 15+ books a month down to 6 (Batman, Wonder Woman, Batwoman, Animal Man, Swamp Thimg and Frankenstein)

This latest blunder....

Apparently Mike Nelson joked on twitter "what? You haven't put enough women in refrigerators?" and Gail tweeted back "funny you should mention that"
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 10, 2012, 03:10:38 PM
I had to cancel my pull due to financial reasons (I only had four books), but I was getting disappointed with the titles anyway. I was reading Earth 2, Nightwing, Green Arrow, and Flash. Had I been able to, I only would have kept the Flash going, I would have dropped the rest soon anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Previsionary on December 10, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
DC has been making some real head scratching decisions lately. The Gail thing is just another example of a creator being forced off a title or a creator willingly leaving. There's been a few this year at DC. Makes one wonder what's happening behind the scenes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on December 10, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
If this is over ...

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on December 11, 2012, 01:23:59 AM
Gail being kicked off Batgirl is really lame.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on December 11, 2012, 04:14:48 AM
Snyder's leaving Swamp Thing too, but I think this is voluntary.  I wonder who's going to take over? I might be dropping that book after rotworld
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on December 11, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
Snyder's leaving Swamp Thing too, but I think this is voluntary.  I wonder who's going to take over? I might be dropping that book after rotworld

Indeed. Unless duties are passed on to Lemire. One can hope!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on December 24, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
Gail Simone is back on Batgirl.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/21/dc-comics-put-gail-simone-back-on-batgirl/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on January 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM
New 52 Dr Fate debut on the cover of Earth 2#11

http://redbird08.tumblr.com/post/40320724820/earth-2-11-the-new-dr-fate-looks-great-no-more

I actually think he looks awesome.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on January 12, 2013, 04:49:04 PM
That is a pretty cool look.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on January 12, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
Now there's a decent redesign.  I prefer the blue, but that is pretty darn awesome looking, and no denying it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on January 12, 2013, 09:53:45 PM
Didn't Dr. Fate wear the black & gold in the Young Justice cartoon?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on January 18, 2013, 10:38:06 PM
Color-wise, it looks good, but it's awful busy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on January 30, 2013, 04:16:22 PM
I must say it's a good idea...specially the fact that they added more Egyptian-based symbolism to the outfit, thus tying him more to his origin and all.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on February 01, 2013, 10:23:51 PM
I just got hit with an idea: Dr. Moonknight.

Maybe it's the flu...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on February 05, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
Dr Fate's been taking clothes from Donna Troy's closet?  :lol:

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on February 26, 2013, 04:15:35 AM
Upcoming Batman Inc spoilers:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I don't talk much about the DC books I buy so here I go:

I'm largely disappointed in DC's line. I find their reboot very half-assed and there isn't much that I care about. I'm finally dropping Superboy. I didn't have a problem with this version baring little resemblance to the last version, but the book has lacked direction and gotten progressively less interesting. I'm still picking up Teen Titans and Justice League and they've been okay. I picked up the first issue of JLA and that was decent.

The real gems of the DC line (of the books I've read) are Batman by Scott Synder and Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison. I absolutely recommend both of them. The Joker storyline in Batman was pretty gripping.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Shogunn2517 on February 27, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
Not to interrupt any current conversations, but I was just recently taking a gander at some of DCs New 52 books in a local shop and like many of you found myself frustrated at their odd attempt at a reboot.  I never understood why they wanted to do it in thei first place.  It didn't make sense to me then. I've ignored it over the last 18 months.  I come to this thread for the first time and see opinions changed very little from where many of you were at the beginning of the thread.  And for those who have changed their opinion, it isn't a positive change.

I mean it made sense to do a reboot with the original crisis and for the most part it worked.  It wasn't a wholesale reboot.  It was for some, but for histories that weren't rebooted, we got some really awesome back stories that's has become a part of literally and cinematic history. That's what we had and we lived with it.  Some characters got some rewired yet weird new characicterizations(Superman's origin, the mess made of Hawkman/Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman) but even those were retooled in successive reboots, which weren't real reboots, just altered histories.

That's not the New 52.  It lost me.  Not simply out of interest, but from confusion.  I still really can't make heads or tails of what was rebooted(and why) and what wasn't and how the square the two.  If they wanted to do a reboot, they should have did a full one and not just pick and choose.  Just made a convoluted continuity MUCH more convoluted and confusing.  They seriously should have kept the original runs.  At this rate, I don't even need to convince anyone of a gaurantee of yet another reboot.  That's like Peyton Manning guaranteeing a pass completion.

I can't even imagine what told them this was a good idea.

Just my two cent rant.  Sorry.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Panther_Gunn on February 27, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
I can't even imagine what told them this was a good idea.

I'll take a stab at that.  Two words -- an accountant.   &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on February 27, 2013, 11:06:01 PM
They needed a sale boost which reboot provided at the time. They needed something to get the people to buy comics again. And nowadays its hard to get that with just good writting, u need something like reboot to grab media attention.

On the other hand tittles like Batman and Green Lantern were good sellers pre New52 so they didn't want to change much. They made a mess of things, made some unnecessary changes etc. But they increased the sales which was their goal, the reboot affected comic sales in general not just DC.
So, its just how things are nowadays, u need something like New52 or Marvel NOW! to grab people's attention, and if it sells, both companies will do reboots and renumberings.

As for the quality of the stories, some are good some are bad. Batman line of books is really good right now, there is something for everyone. WW is amusing, and I like Earth 2. Heard good things about Swamp Thing and Animal Man. But I don't like what they did to Superman, Teen Titans etc.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on March 05, 2013, 01:34:33 AM
I just got hit with an idea: Dr. Moonknight.

Maybe it's the flu...

I wouldn't mind seeing that. :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on March 05, 2013, 06:19:49 AM
Upcoming Batman Inc spoilers:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)


What an absolute terrible decision. It seems so difficult to create a new character that people gravitate towards in the Marvel and DC universe. But yeah, let's kill them off. *eye roll*
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: thalaw2 on March 05, 2013, 02:31:40 PM
Agreed....a true waste.  I didn't like the character much but I hate the direction this story is going and I don't see anything coming out of it that hasn't been done before.....possibly better...with the same main character.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 05, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
Urg...DC continues to disappoint. 

You know, I'm still getting Flash, Justice League, and Aquaman, but I'm pretty ready to cancel everything but Aquaman, which has at least kept my interest.  The Atlantis attacks storyline in JL has been entertaining, but as always with these new DC books, I feel as if each issue is missing a few pages of story and development.  It's just hard to justify the expense of these books, which, even when they are decent I always find myself describing with a caveat.  "Well, Justice League was pretty good, but..."  This dilemma is thrown into even sharper focus by the incredible quality of the rest of the books I'm buying.  I read TMNT or Atomic Robo, and I am always thoroughly impressed by their quality.  I'm simply never disappointed, and I can't wait for each following issue.  Then there is the revived Larry Hama G.I. JOE book, in which every single new issue is better than the last.  These other books I'm buying, their every outing ranks among the finest comics I've read, and they just constantly reflect the poverty of storytelling that exists in the DC books on my list.  I may love the characters, but I think more and more that I can do without the current broken attempt to tell their stories.

I think that I'm going to cancel Justice League as soon as the Atlantis crossover is finished (though it may already be over, as I'm behind thanks to my comics being shipped to me from my old shop once they reach a certain value). 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 20, 2013, 08:54:22 PM
Ok something is seriously wrong in DC

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44383

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44391

Both Diggle and Failkov exit the books before first issues of their runs have hit stands! I mean WTH? This is ridicilous...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on March 21, 2013, 05:24:28 PM
Yeah, I think DC has screwed the pooch pretty badly lately.  They've already done the reboot thing, so they can't rely upon the "Ultimates" rebound that Marvel had in the late nineties.
I honestly can't think of a single way out of this for them aside from scrapping continuity altogether and going full anthology route,  which wouldn't be that bad.

It would require relinquishing almost all editorial oversight, switching to a trade format for a while (Let Batman: Year Zero test the waters) put out self contained Batwoman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern stories that could easily be collected (BUT KEEP THEM WITHIN THE MAIN SERIES'), and then TRY to sort out the mess with Superman.

What is key is keeping the current numbering system,  renumbering now would be like showing the world that the nu52 relaunch was a disaster.  Think about how Batman Year One actually occurred within the normal batman series.. was it #472-476?   
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on May 07, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
CYBORG SUPERMAN Making a New 52 Comeback? (http://www.newsarama.com/17608-cyborg-superman-making-a-new-52-comeback.html)

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/104/932/original/cyborgSuperman_02.jpg?1367431281)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on May 07, 2013, 09:43:04 PM

DC Introduces 'JOKER's Daughter?!'
 (http://www.newsarama.com/17441-dc-introduces-joker-s-daughter.html)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 07, 2013, 10:25:53 PM
Well, I've cancelled everything but Aquaman.  If something teased in a recent issue of that book comes true, I'll be dropping it as well:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on May 20, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
New 52 Cheshire and Bronze Tiger, seems like he's an actual Tiger now (or weretiger lol), I don't like it.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1368815912
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on May 20, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
James Robinson leaves Earth 2 and DC comics (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45574)

Door continues to revolve.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on May 21, 2013, 04:01:51 AM
That's weird ... didn't James Robinson also tease that he'd be doing a new Shade miniseries for DC?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 30, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
From the latest issue of JLA, issue #4:

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 30, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
Well, I've cancelled everything but Aquaman.  If something teased in a recent issue of that book comes true, I'll be dropping it as well:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I disagree with the happily married and monogamous and that's not even a recent change. After Artie Jr died didn't Aquaman almost kill Mera and she later married his doppleganer and had another son? Also wasn't she sent to kill Arthur but later fell in love and defected from Xebel? And didn't Aquaman have a child while they were married with an Eskimo woman (Koyrak or something?) and didn't he later hook up with Dolphin which upset both Mera and Garth?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 30, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
Well, I've cancelled everything but Aquaman.  If something teased in a recent issue of that book comes true, I'll be dropping it as well:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I disagree with the happily married and monogamous and that's not even a recent change. After Artie Jr died didn't Aquaman almost kill Mera and she later married his doppleganer and had another son? Also wasn't she sent to kill Arthur but later fell in love and defected from Xebel? And didn't Aquaman have a child while they were married with an Eskimo woman (Koyrak or something?) and didn't he later hook up with Dolphin which upset both Mera and Garth?

Most of which they actually did seem to fix with this new continuity, finally.  The death of Aquaman's son is one of the low points of modern comics, and it just about irreparably damaged the character.  No-one knew what to do with him for years.  All of the really awful stuff that came out of that, Koryak (I REALLY hate Koryak), Mera's madness, Dolphin, and the general complete scum-bag nature of 90's Aquaman owes its existence to that event.  Heck, it wasn't until Vol. 4 of Aquaman that they finally made a real stab at resolving things, but their efforts were torpedoed (hah!) by Aquaman being turned into a squid-faced guy...then being killed...gah, I really hate DC sometimes. 

No, thankfully it seems that the worst thing the New 52's version of Aquaman had going for it was that Mera was an enemy turned friend for love, and that's a whole lot better than murdered son and estranged madness.  While I think it was something of an unnecessary wrinkle, it didn't take anything away from their relationship.  In fact, it made their romance all the more grand, in that she not only gave up her throne, she gave up EVERYTHING, duty, honor, everything.

I really enjoyed those two not having ridiculous amounts of drama and baggage.  That was what the New 52 was supposed to do, and in the very singular case of Aquaman, it seemed like it actually hit the mark.  It was really nice see those two getting to be what the characters were meant to be, partners in every sense, and a new melodramatic twist like that to which they recently alluded, well that really rubs me the wrong way. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on June 01, 2013, 02:04:23 AM
I *shrug* I doubt they're going to do anything like that this early in the book Benton... the way it reads to me is that, if there IS/WAS an actual marriage between Mera and this dude(and he could just be spouting something that he feels SHOULD have happened, not what DID. We don't know yet), it will have been an arranged one and she clearly didn't love him like she loves Arthur. I can understand/relate to the desire to have one singular relationship that reflects the sanctity of marriage, but let's see where things go before we start making judgements. Mera is too important to the book so far to have her relationship with Arthur suddenly break over some contrived plot point, and I feel like this whole story is gonna end up as more of an excuse to get her to go back to Atlantis with him instead of hanging out on the beach buying groceries.

That said though, I wanted to throw a bit of personal perspective into the mix in case it IS a real marriage, arranged or otherwise:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 02, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
To be clear, I'm by no means giving up on the book yet, but I meant that if this turns into something tawdry and melodramatic, I'm going to give it up.  I certainly hope you're right, 'Mato, but I'm glad you see my point. 

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on June 03, 2013, 12:53:51 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/dan-didio-and-jim-lee-talk-dcs-september-event-villain-month

Seems that its all about events and gimmick covers these days lol, but this does sound interesting :)

Oh btw loving how bizzarro looks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on June 03, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
i remeber all of the old gimmick covers from back in the day, they just seemed like wallet breakers to me. i would rather see a good story that holds my attention than to see a gimmick cover that  is going to add to my expenses.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 03, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
i remeber all of the old gimmick covers from back in the day, they just seemed like wallet breakers to me. i would rather see a good story that holds my attention than to see a gimmick cover that  is going to add to my expenses.

Heh, unfortunately the latter is more likely than the former.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Amazo Version 2.2 on June 03, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
too true, my friend.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on June 03, 2013, 06:41:20 PM
i remeber all of the old gimmick covers from back in the day, they just seemed like wallet breakers to me. i would rather see a good story that holds my attention than to see a gimmick cover that  is going to add to my expenses.

I have to admit, I am totally guilty of buying the variant and gimmick covers. I thought it was the coolest thing back then, not so much now. :thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on June 08, 2013, 06:03:41 AM
Benton, I've given what you've said quite a bit of thought... I'll put my response in spoilers because I don't know how lengthy it's going to get.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 09, 2013, 05:49:28 AM
Thanks for the response, 'Mato, and I pretty much agree with everything you've said, though I wouldn't use modern iterations of the characters you cited as examples of the type of variety I'd like to see.  Both of them have portrayals that are more tawdry and/or tortured than I care for. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Like I said, I think we're mostly in agreement on the large scale, though we likely disagree on exactly where we'd draw the lines. 

So, all of that having been said, I have actually read some comics this week!  I got my big box 'o comics in the mail, and I've read four issues of Flash, Aquaman, and Justice League (17-20 of each).  I've cancelled Flash and JL already, but having preordered I'm getting the last books I've paid for.  Following are some thoughts on these books:

Flash: There are so many things I love about this book, and yet there are so many things that frustrated me and gave me pause.  Finally the negatives outweighed the positive, and these last four issues have just reconfirmed my decision to drop the book.  The art is fantastic, and I love the way they tell their stories.  If I wanted to point to a great visual storyteller in comics, Manapul is one of the first names I'd bring up.  However, the stories they are telling frustrate me with their combinations of the fantastic with the discouraging.  I like a lot of what they are doing with Barry and with some of the mysteries they are setting up, and I have enjoyed some of the portayals of the Rogues.  Yet, in the end I'd rather go back to the beginning and read the stories that they aren't bothering to tell me.  I'd like to see the first meeting of Flash and Captain Cold, the first meeting of our hero and Mirror Master.  I'd like to learn what first motivated Heat Wave to turn to crime, and so on.  That's a problem with the New 52 in general.  They are starting in media res, which is a good tactic for storytelling, but a lousy tactic for reinventing the stories you want to tell.  I often feel like I've tuned in too late and I've missed something important or interesting.  What's more, they've made choices with characters that I've really, really disliked.  Their version of Grodd is extremely boring and flat compared to the wonderful absurdity of an urbane gorilla who was racist against humans in an off-handed way, believing entirely in the superiority of gorillas with a certainty that was charming as well as ridiculous.  The violent monster portrayed here is just not really that interesting.  There are other issues that have left a bad taste in my mouth, but in the end the book just wasn't worth my money.

Justice League:  The Atlantis arc was interesting, but like the entire run which has been marked by interesting plot ideas, the execution left a good deal to be desired.  I've noticed a trend with Johns' writing.  I always feel like I'm missing two or three pages when I read one of his comics.  He's got the opposite problem of a lot of comics these days, spending too little time on his arcs rather than too much.  We're supposed to be living in an age of superior characterization in comics, but I feel like he never spends enough time with anything to actually get much characterization done, much less properly tell his stories.  They always feel rushed and thin.  Ocean Master's new costumes seems a bit boring.  I think a bit more influence from his classic looks would have added some interest to it.  I really would have liked to get to know him a bit better.  Did anyone else think that, despite the body count of the Atlantian invasion, Ocean Master's fate seemed a bit cold?  Specifically:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Once again, the problem of starting in the middle hurts the story being told here, as we've got lots of references to stories that we haven't been told yet.  I'd like to have read those tales first.  It would have made what happens here carry more weight.  I understand the motivation of the twist in this arc, but I didn't care for it.  I liked the character, and this effectively ruins him for this DC Universe.  Also, I really hate the bloodthirsty, savage Hawkman we get here.  I miss Katar.  For that matter, I miss Ray and Rex.  Zatanna's and Black Canary's new costumes are pretty stupid looking and bland.

The next issues, with the appearance of Despero and the recruiting drive were interesting, and there were actually some good character moments.  However, I wish some of these pretenders would get out of my Watchtower and make room for characters I care about. ;)  I suppose it's a moot point now.  Anyway, Despero's attack was cool, until it was resolved in such a cheap way.  I miss the JLU version of Despero.  He was a good deal more interesting than "Blaaarg!  Kill everyone!"  Ohh, it's worth noting that I think the storyline with Batman and the boxes is handled relatively well here, and Bruce comes off as less sociopathic than some other versions of this story.  That isn't to say it's perfect, but it could certainly be worse.

The Shazam backup isn't great.  Billy Batson is a jerk.  Yeah, yeah, hard childhood; whatever, he's not very likeable. 

I'll say this for the book, though.  It looks fantastic.  I'm sad that the art doesn't serve more worthy material.  I really, REALLY wish it was better, because I love the JLA.  It's my favorite comic team, and it includes my favorite comic character.  This is the book that I most wish was worth reading.

Aquaman:  Arg..these stories are frustrating me as well, but mostly because they are really very good, but with a couple of glaring flaws.  I love the tension between Arthur's responsibilities being explored.  That's a core part of the character, and it provides great story grist.  I like the parody that Murk is (bare chest, hook hand, etc.), and I can't wait for Arthur to slap him down, hard.  I really hope that's coming, and soon.  I would love for them to keep exploring the Atlantian culture and setting.  Once again, I wish we had gotten the 'first' stories first.  I want to see Arthur discover Atlantis and learn about it.  The Topo thing seemed pointless.  I'd prefer something a little closer to the original, and I think that could have been fun.  The same is true of Tula.  Gone is the light-hearted but heroic girl of Atlantis.  These days everyone has to be super serious and hard edged.  Ehh. 

Color me curious about the ancient king. 

What really bothered me, though, is the return of the Others in issue #20.  As if we didn't get enough of these losers already.  Once again Johns' 'mind the gap' storytelling rears its head, and we're thrown into a narrative that has little explanation or interest, and with characters that are very little more than vague powersets.  The little reveal about jungle-woman-whatever-her-name-is only served to annoy me more, because it made the character even less interesting, which was a neat feat.  The fact that they left the Mera issue hanging to tell this story makes it all the more unforgivable.  I don't like these characters, I don't know these characters, despite having read several comics featuring them at this point, and I certainly am not reading Aquaman to read about them.

Still, I'm curious about the stories that are developing in the background.  Once again, touching on Orm makes me a bit uneasy with how he was treated.  I think Aquaman needs to storm that prison and take his brother out of there, dead civilians or not.  I understand its the creation of a villainous motivation we're seeing, but still...I sort of think that Aquaman is going to deserve the antagonism he's going to get in return for this.  The book looks fantastic.  The art here is, for my money, just about the prettiest in comics.  I don't think it could get much better.  I like the appearance of the Scavenger, and I hope we'll see lots more of him, and some more appearances by classic Aqua-foes.  So, long story not-so-short, I'm still onboard until my next shipment of comics, at least.



Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on June 09, 2013, 11:14:27 AM
Thanks for the response, 'Mato, and I pretty much agree with everything you've said, though I wouldn't use modern iterations of the characters you cited as examples of the type of variety I'd like to see.  Both of them have portrayals that are more tawdry and/or tortured than I care for. 

Modern-ish maybe, but not modern. Roy's daughter Liam was killed in a horrible crossover (same one where roy lost his arm) and now never existed. Because having a guy make do as a single father and genuinely love his child was apparently too complex for dc's writers  &lt;_&lt;. As for Batman/Aquaman... aside from some stupidness along the way with Mera, that status quo for both characters has been around since the 60s/70s at least.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 09, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
Well 'Mato, I'm using that term VERY broadly.  Keep in mind, most of my comic reading experience is Silver and Bronze Age.  As for Aquaman, the death of his sons is one of the most disastrous stories in comic history.  It ruined the character for decades, as well as ruining his marriage and Mera's characterization.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on June 09, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
I don't disagree about Arthur Jr... at least, not entirely. I think it gave the character a darker edge, but there were better ways of doing that then what they did, and the back and forth on his marriage to Mera was dumb.

As for Modern... I don't consider "Modern" to apply to things that were the status quo 10+ years ago and aren't now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 09, 2013, 07:23:22 PM
I don't disagree about Arthur Jr... at least, not entirely. I think it gave the character a darker edge, but there were better ways of doing that then what they did, and the back and forth on his marriage to Mera was dumb.

As for Modern... I don't consider "Modern" to apply to things that were the status quo 10+ years ago and aren't now.

Haha, it's all one to me, 'Mato.  I don't insist on the terminology, though. :)

Any thoughts on the other books I wrote about or the recent Aquaman stories?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 22, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
So, has no-one else been reading Flash, Aquaman, or Justice League who has any thoughts?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on June 22, 2013, 04:58:50 PM
So, has no-one else been reading Flash, Aquaman, or Justice League who has any thoughts?

Although I do like tracking down old DC comics in the quarter bin, I don't keep up with the current comics.  Flash is the one book that I'd most be interested in following, although the (shortlived?) Hawk & Dove relaunch also intrigues me, since they are reuniting Hank Hall & Dawn Granger for the first time since their tragic demise as a team in Armageddon 2001 (I hated that twist).

I'm curious to know what the future of Wally West and his apparently now-nonexistent legacy will be.  I might just have to check out the Flashpoint animated adaptation ASAP.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 22, 2013, 05:15:56 PM
In that case, Winters, let me strongly recommend a very cheap and readily available series from the 90s that a lot of folks likely wouldn't think to pick up.  The Batman Adventures and Batman and Robin Adventures, based in the Timm-verse continuity and sharing an art style with the Animated Series are both surprisingly good.  I'd recommend stopping after those, rather than getting into the Gotham Adventures and the Lost years, though there are those who would defend those books to the death.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on June 22, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
So, has no-one else been reading Flash, Aquaman, or Justice League who has any thoughts?

Used to read Justice League, but it was kinda meh even from the start. Artwork is nice, but other than that, I don't like the character interaction. They are sometimes way too hostile towards each other. They don't act like someone who spent last 6(?) years working together.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on June 22, 2013, 10:40:43 PM
Before my finances went south, I was really enjoying the Flash book.

Also, in regards to Hawk and Dove, I'm a huge fan of the characters, but as far as the relaunch goes...Liefield thoroughly screwed it up. Definitely not worth the money I wasted.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 22, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean Bat.  The team dynamic was okay, though not great, for the semi-origin arc, but after that they didn't really do much to create a great set of personalities.  I think that's one of the things I don't much care for about a lot of these books.  There's no real heart in most of these stories.  They're all flash and no substance.

CB, that surprises me not at all. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on June 22, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
In that case, Winters, let me strongly recommend a very cheap and readily available series from the 90s that a lot of folks likely wouldn't think to pick up.  The Batman Adventures and Batman and Robin Adventures, based in the Timm-verse continuity and sharing an art style with the Animated Series are both surprisingly good.  I'd recommend stopping after those, rather than getting into the Gotham Adventures and the Lost years, though there are those who would defend those books to the death.

Heh, I've already got most (if not all) of those!  I followed the 1st two Batman series monthly as a kid, but have tried to track down cheap back issues I missed over the past 5 or so years.  I like a number of those Gotham Adventures stories (especially the first 10 issues or so), but many of those issues have a "phoned in" quality to them, something which I would rarely say about the previous issues. 

I find the Superman Adventures book to be a very strong series as well, which took some bold steps in some of their stories (they even found a way to do a Krypto story that had quite a somber ending!).  I'm now starting to dabble with the short-lived "Adventures in the DC Universe" which is a neat envisioning of what the Timm-verse Justice League might have been before it actually was.  I don't yet have any desire to bother with the Justice League Adventures though.

Before my finances went south, I was really enjoying the Flash book.

Also, in regards to Hawk and Dove, I'm a huge fan of the characters, but as far as the relaunch goes...Liefield thoroughly screwed it up. Definitely not worth the money I wasted.

I took a peak at the New 52 #1 the other week but passed on it.  The Liefield art was actually better than I expected, but I'm guessing the digital color probably covered up a number of his various problems.  The ironic thing is that I really like his work on the 5-issue Hawk & Dove mini-series, which I think was his debut with the mainstream publishers.  I can't really find any big problems with his art and it's got a very dynamic yet not over-the-top style that would soon characterize his Marvel work.  The guy actually drew the feet to many characters and both male and female look fairly well proportioned.  Sad to say, but I think Liefield probably peaked during that Hawk & Dove series.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on June 22, 2013, 11:42:51 PM
That series is actually where my love of the characters came from.  But yeah, sice then, Liefield went downhill fast.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: oldmanwinters on June 23, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
That series is actually where my love of the characters came from.  But yeah, sice then, Liefield went downhill fast.

I'm curious to know how much Liefield's early art on Hawk and Dove benefited from Karl Kessel's inks.  It's so strange.  The guy demonstrates great attention to detail in those issues and only a couple of years later he starts going absolutely nuts with his exaggerated style.  Did the guy just feel compelled to change everything to make himself stand out or did he get so busy that he couldn't put as much time into his later work as he did with the early H&D issues?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on June 26, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
 i called into pick up todays books and was asked about villain month coming up. confused i asked why

it turns out that each villain month comic has 4 covers so for example jla 7 will all be released with the same number but completely different stories

so JL #23: darksied will be totally different than JL:#23 lobo

so the guy at my shop asked which i wanted because if they had went with my current standing order and because i get JL and he put in all 4 of every dc comic i pick up my monthly bill would jump by nearly £200 -£250

so keep an eye out guys this villain month could really hit your wallet
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on June 26, 2013, 10:23:15 PM
Sooo glad I cancelled my pull. I really don't like the idea of having to spend an insane amount of money on gimmick ideas.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on July 22, 2013, 03:58:37 PM
i called into pick up todays books and was asked about villain month coming up. confused i asked why

it turns out that each villain month comic has 4 covers so for example jla 7 will all be released with the same number but completely different stories

so JL #23: darksied will be totally different than JL:#23 lobo

so the guy at my shop asked which i wanted because if they had went with my current standing order and because i get JL and he put in all 4 of every dc comic i pick up my monthly bill would jump by nearly £200 -£250

so keep an eye out guys this villain month could really hit your wallet

Poor form, DC. Poor form.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on July 27, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
I apologize if this sound overly negative, but after reading a lot of your posts, guys...Makes me think that DC is self-destructing.  Red Robin was supposedly never a Robin, yet in Titans he is implied as having been one?  It sounds like they can't even keep their new continuity straight?  52 variant covers for one book is nauseating, why would any company do that (other than attempting to rob their readers blind)?...It's a great way to turn off fans and make your product as inaccessible as possible, that's for sure.

I've never been a huge DC fan, I pretty much only love the Doom Patrol, but DC has ruined them...I'm pretty bummed out about it too.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 27, 2013, 11:34:49 AM
I apologize if this sound overly negative, but after reading a lot of your posts, guys...Makes me think that DC is self-destructing.  Red Robin was supposedly never a Robin, yet in Titans he is implied as having been one?  It sounds like they can't even keep their new continuity straight?  52 variant covers for one book is nauseating, why would any company do that (other than attempting to rob their readers blind)?...It's a great way to turn off fans and make your product as inaccessible as possible, that's for sure.

I've never been a huge DC fan, I pretty much only love the Doom Patrol, but DC has ruined them...I'm pretty bummed out about it too.

Dana

Ya I remember the Robin thing, that was weird. But they retconned it later, it happens I guess. But still, to make that kind of mistake early in the new 52 is irresponsible.

While 52 variant covers is ridicilous, it was there to generate sales (which it did). Its a very common move by both DC and Marvel to have a lot of variant covers to boost sales, and it works. Not saying its something I like, but DC (and Marvel) are a business so yeah...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 31, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
So finale of Morrison's Batman epic that started in 2006 came out today in Batman Inc#13

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on August 07, 2013, 08:14:03 PM
So finale of Morrison's Batman epic that started in 2006 came out today in Batman Inc#13

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Agreed. I almost wish Grant just never wrote the ending, leaving us readers to use our imaginations for an ending.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 09, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
 Kevin Maguire removed from Justice League 3000 via Facebook. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47202)

EDIT:
...and replaced with Howard Porter (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47222)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 10, 2013, 11:32:46 PM
*twitch* So, apparently, the final culmination of the Villains Month is gonna be the return of Earth 3, aka the Crime Syndicate of Amerika.

So if I start acting even more crazy than usual, it's because I'm torn between my current disgust with the New 52 and event comics in general; and my obsession with reading anything and everything CSA related.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 10, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
Haven't bought a comic in a while, but for the CSA, I might have to check this out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 11, 2013, 12:01:38 AM
I actually found out about it because DC Collectibles just released teaser pics of a few N52 CSA figures... which aren't actually that different from the existing CSA designs (no silly lines all over the costume, just a few altered details like UM having a red belt), so I'm happy for that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's been in the works since E2, because there's a story in Batman which introduces an E1 version of Thomas Jr (a silly version which makes no sense, but a version nonetheless).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 11, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
I actually found out about it because DC Collectibles just released teaser pics of a few N52 CSA figures... which aren't actually that different from the existing CSA designs (no silly lines all over the costume, just a few altered details like UM having a red belt), so I'm happy for that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's been in the works since E2, because there's a story in Batman which introduces an E1 version of Thomas Jr (a silly version which makes no sense, but a version nonetheless).

Could you please post a link to that 'Mato? I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 11, 2013, 01:37:52 AM
I have the image itself up on my antimato tumblr, but the link is http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=10&itemid=20869
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 11, 2013, 02:44:03 AM
Well it appears as though that DC might actually not screw this up too much.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 11, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
I have the image itself up on my antimato tumblr, but the link is http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=10&itemid=20869

Very cool, seems that the CSA has the newly improved DCC articulation.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on August 11, 2013, 12:19:42 PM
TBH, I don't think I'll be getting them, regardless of the articulation... I'm perfectly happy with the 5 pack CSA figures from the DCUC line, so without something unique to entice me (like a decent looking Aquaman analogue) I'd rather keep the figures I've got. DCC's getting enough of my money with the Arkham VG line.

But back to the comics... I honestly don't know what to think on this. On the one hand, the designs are an indication that we're keeping the characters true to their pre-52 roots, but on the other... DC has already taken Earth 2 and mangled it almost past recognition, and I love the Crime Syndicate too much to see that happen to Earth 3 as well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 17, 2013, 09:46:10 PM
Anyone been following Trinity War?
I've been enjoying it. I like seeing the three teams working together and I'm very interested in who the mystery villain behind the Society is.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Of course this somehow leads to Forever Evil and the new CSA, which intrigues me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 18, 2013, 07:37:32 AM
Anyone been following Trinity War?
I've been enjoying it. I like seeing the three teams working together and I'm very interested in who the mystery villain behind the Society is.

I think the Outsider (the tall white dude)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All in all the crossover is fun, a bit chaotic but fun. The fact that we know CSA comes at the end of it kinda killed the momentum for me, would have been a nice surprise ending
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Green Hornet on August 22, 2013, 10:53:30 PM
Just read the last issue of Legion of Super heroes. By the clues in this issue it looks to be on Earth 2.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 24, 2013, 11:03:43 PM
The New Sexy Lobo (http://www.themarysue.com/dc-new-lobo/)

[headdesk]
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 25, 2013, 12:40:17 AM
*barf*

This is coming from someone who doesn't like Lobo, that's is sooooo unnecessary.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 25, 2013, 04:11:18 AM
Ha!  I'm sure he'll be all angsty and mysterious too.  Ohh my.  It's sad when even a parody character becomes something of an embarrassment of shameless pandering.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on August 25, 2013, 01:15:39 PM
This is so confusing considering Lobo has already debuted in Stormwatch.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on August 25, 2013, 02:44:47 PM
So wan't Lobo supposed to be a kind of parody of the excesses in '90s comics?
Is this new one a parody of the dire straits DC are in now?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 25, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
This is so confusing considering Lobo has already debuted in Stormwatch.

From what I read that guy is going to be revealed to be an impostor. Which sounds kinda ridiculous.

To be honest I like the new design. Looks like a cool character...doesn't look like Lobo but still.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BlueBard on August 27, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
*barf*

This is coming from someone who doesn't like Lobo, that's is sooooo unnecessary.

I think a barf gives this redesign too much credit.  Not that I'm a fan of Lobo, but that look destroys the whole point of the character.  Like putting Deadpool in a three-piece Armani suit and giving him non-lethal weaponry.  He's supposed to be crude and outrageous.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on August 28, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
GAH!!!  Lobo man pretty?!?!?  So wrong on so many levels!!!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on August 28, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
Unless, of course, that's how Lobo sees himself in a mirror....


Naaaah... he's not into self deception.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on September 02, 2013, 08:23:43 AM
He must be on the same diet as the New 52 Amanda Waller.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 02, 2013, 02:11:57 PM
Apparently the writer of the book said that he's nowhere near as skinny as the promo picture depicts him.

DC's marketing department is to blame if its true.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 02, 2013, 05:34:04 PM
Except he still has pretty boy hair, still lacks any of the 90s tropes in his design that are a core part of his character (chains, massive guns, etc) and doesn't have nearly enough hair on his arms.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on September 03, 2013, 02:08:08 AM
I have a mental image of new Lobo taking a drag on a cigar and breaking into a fit of coughing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on September 03, 2013, 06:43:47 AM
Like zoolander with black lung
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on September 04, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
"Beer? No, no, thank you.

"Perhaps some zinfandel and a little brie?"
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 05, 2013, 02:21:43 AM
He must be on the same diet as the New 52 Amanda Waller.

Ha!

I swear, very little of the New 52 got under my skin more than that change.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 05, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Williams and Blackman Quit Batwoman Due to Ban on Kate and Maggie Marriage (http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/60350176589/williams-and-blackman-quit-batwoman-due-to-ban-on-kate)

Ouch
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on September 05, 2013, 05:08:43 PM
Batwoman, Batman and Wonder Woman were the only DC titles I was buying for over a year,   I stopped buying them a few months back.
I really don't think Time Warner deserves my money.... but I just saw that Jeff Lemire has a new Vertigo miniseries. well, i guess i could just read that, and unless dc does something drastic to the new 52, i wont be going back.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 05, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Urgh. First the Orson Scott Card drama and now this...I am really enjoying Wonder Woman and reading stuff like this makes me want to stop supporting DC completely.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 05, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
I could be wrong but I think it has more to do with the marriage thing in general rather than DC having problem with gay marriage.
They just dont want to have married characters because it makes them appear older is what Diddio said.

I do agree that the whole thing they are doing to their writters is pretty stupid, this situation included.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 05, 2013, 06:53:34 PM
I could be wrong but I think it has more to do with the marriage thing in general rather than DC having problem with gay marriage.
They just dont want to have married characters because it makes them appear older is what Diddio said.

I do agree that the whole thing they are doing to their writters is pretty stupid, this situation included.

That's just it; equating marriage to old is a pretty silly idea in general. Also the article states Williams and Blackman's ideas were constantly being rejected. There is only so much effort a creative team can put into a project after they have been depowered in their decision making.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 05, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Ehh.  Y'all know how I feel about this stuff in comics, but the DC Universe of today isn't one I'm terribly interested in exploring anyway.  Good for those two in sticking up for their principles/creative integrity, I suppose.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 05, 2013, 10:18:13 PM
Disappointing news. I wasn't reading it but from all accounts it was one of DCs stronger books.
I really don't understand why DC seems to be so flip floppy with it's creative planning. We keep hearing these stories about last minute changes. You never hear this stuff coming out of Marvel.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 06, 2013, 12:37:02 AM
Yeah, they seem equal parts draconian and confused...which is less than an ideal combination.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: DrMike2000 on September 06, 2013, 12:44:39 AM
I really wonder what's going on in the collective heads of DC management these days. I used to love this universe, I get more indifferent to it every day.

I don't buy the idea that this is just them being averse to marriage in general - I think they got cold feet over having a gay marriage in their comics. (Which disappoints me greatly, by the way.)
Gay marriage is still a contentious issue, so they'd have to be politically blind to write this off as "just another marriage" and cancel it because it might make Kate Kane look a bit old and unrelatable. And you certainly would need a stronger reason to risk alienating readers who've rallied around her as a role model, and alienating one of your top creative teams.

It wouldn't surprise me if this mandate came down from some higher up at Warner Bros who had only just become aware of what was going on in this book.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 06, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
IMO, they flinched more at the "marriage" part than the "gay" part, but who knows?

Does anymore remember hearing anything about how things were at Marvel when Bob Harass was in charge there?  I gotta wonder if there are any similarities.

Also a record of the new 52 departures (http://guttersandpanels.com/gutters-and-panels/2013/3/23/the-new-52-timeline-of-departures) which really illustrate that things are not healthy in this company if I'm any judge.  Like Dr.Mike, I used to love the universe, but now it's just a mess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 06, 2013, 05:53:17 PM
Dear lord, looks like a mess now that you look at it as a whole.

The only DC decision editorial wise I can get behind is the Diggle departure. From various reports that I read he had an "idea" of Superman loosing an arm and strugling with that.
 If that is true I say good riddance. As for everything else, its sad, for the lack of better words.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: DrMike2000 on September 09, 2013, 02:07:05 AM
Wow! Superman losing an arm sounds like a bundle of laughs. I thought that was Reed Richard's schtick - more recently in Fantastic Four he had trouble with one of his arms, and I believe back in the 70's he lost the ability to stretch one of his arms. I hated that storyline as a kid. :)

That's a rather sorry looking list there, Glitch Girl. It really makes me think back to reading 13 comics a week for a month, when the New 52 kicked off, and feeling my heart sink a little with pretty much every one of them. I bought all the #1's and was kind of amazed just how few of them grabbed me, no matter how much I wanted to like them.

I hope this is just part of the natural cycle of things. The core of these characters aren't going anywhere, and can hopefully be higher quality again in the future under better management and writers and artists with free-er reign and clearer directions.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 09, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
Wow! Superman losing an arm sounds like a bundle of laughs. I thought that was Reed Richard's schtick - more recently in Fantastic Four he had trouble with one of his arms, and I believe back in the 70's he lost the ability to stretch one of his arms. I hated that storyline as a kid. :)

That's a rather sorry looking list there, Glitch Girl. It really makes me think back to reading 13 comics a week for a month, when the New 52 kicked off, and feeling my heart sink a little with pretty much every one of them. I bought all the #1's and was kind of amazed just how few of them grabbed me, no matter how much I wanted to like them.

I hope this is just part of the natural cycle of things. The core of these characters aren't going anywhere, and can hopefully be higher quality again in the future under better management and writers and artists with free-er reign and clearer directions.

I have to admit DrMike, I also bought almost all of the #1 Issues hoping that something would garner my interest, but they pretty much all left a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 09, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
For monday morning face-palm:

Aquaman and Mera aren't Married... wait, what? (http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/60591856619/mera-aquamans-wife-in-the-new-52-until-she-wasnt)

Related:
http://www.themarysue.com/dc-comics-no-marriage/
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/07/aquaman-is-not-married-to-mera-in-the-new-52/
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/08/dc-comics-and-the-war-against-marriage-comics-batwoman-aquaman/
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Aquaman and Mera were no longer married in New 52 continuity. And that Geoff Johns had very carefully written them in Aquaman and Justice League as if they were still married but had avoided any mention of that fact, or anyone actually referring to them as “husband” or “wife” of the other.

Honestly, the whole nu52 feels like a make-it-up-as-you-go-along fubar.  No one knows what's going on, there are editorial edicts that make absolutely no sense, there's talent turnover faster than a carnival ride... go home DC brass, you're drunk.





Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 09, 2013, 05:36:05 PM
I...oh come ON!  Alright, I'm writing an ugly letter this afternoon.  That much is certain.  If DC doesn't backpedal within the next week, I'm cancelling my last DC book, Aquaman.  I'm sick of this stuff.  We've got basically one married superhero, and heaven forbid he do something that fits in with traditional morality.  How dare he not just be shacking up!  That's not young or hip enough.  No one in America cares about marriage vows or believes that anything like that is important.  No, no, don't be silly!  Well, my growing disgust has reached an impressive new height.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 09, 2013, 07:29:41 PM
Wouldn't hold my breath Benton, the big 2 think that marriage makes heroes old and unrelatable, lol. Not sure why married=old and boring in the eyes of the publishers...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 09, 2013, 07:35:28 PM
Wouldn't hold my breath Benton, the big 2 think that marriage makes heroes old and unrelatable, lol. Not sure why married=old and boring in the eyes of the publishers...

I'm not holding my breath.  I'm girding myself to drop a book I'm actually moderately fond of on moral grounds.  I can't in good conscience support DC anymore.  As it was, they were straining the bounds of my tolerance, but this is definitely the last straw.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 09, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Ye I get it. I myself dont let things like this get to me, there are gonna be retcons, marriages, divorces, deaths, ressurections etc. these are comics after all.

If at the end of the day I like the story and am having fun reading it I can overlook some things. But I do understand when people cant get past some things no matter how hard they try.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 09, 2013, 08:03:51 PM
At this point it's a moral issue for me.  I don't want to give my money to people that, by all accounts, not only don't share, but also actively oppose, my values. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
The Aquaman isn't married thing is pretty silly. If that's what they were always going for in the reboot they should have made that clear. Saying it now just makes it seem like they're trying to justify not allowing Batwoman to get married (which is probably the case).

I can understand publishers being averse to marrying off their characters. It's a significant change to a character's personal life and requires another character permanently become part of their regular cast. Also marriage moves characters one step closer to kids and retirement. Marvel and DC are focused on keeping their characters timeless so having them age like that is real problem. And because of the shared universe aspect of their comics if one character gets married it can affect age of all their other characters.
Ex. If Spider-Man started his crime fighting career before Franklin Richards was born, and Franklin now about 8 years old then Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for over 8 years. That can be problematic.

DC's reboot is just a mess. It's biggest problems are that it was never really a reboot, just a partial one that made everything confusing, and secondly there's no consistency.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 09, 2013, 11:14:24 PM
That's true Pod, but it makes absolutely no freaking sense for characters who have been married for PRACTICALLY their entire history.  Aquaman has been married to Mera since 1964.  He was actually the first superhero to get married.  Think about that.  He was married before a good deal of comic characters were even created, before nearly all of the major events of comic history, and before most of us were born.  With the exception of a brief period where they were separated/divorced in the PAD run (yet another reason I hate it), they've ALWAYS been married.  This isn't true for any character other than Mr. Fantastic and Sue Storm, and even they took years and years to tie the knot.  Dissolving their marriage in the first place is asinine, and even more so after presenting them AS a married couple for 23 issues of their new continuity.  Add to that the very clear nature of their relationship, and it just comes off as a rejection of marriage itself.  Whatever their intentions, the impression is downright appalling.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 09, 2013, 11:40:13 PM
I agree with you Benton. The way they are saying that Aquaman was never married in this new continuity is just ridiculous. I've never read the new series myself but from all I've heard they were married. If DC wanted Aquaman to not be married then the start of the reboot was their chance, just like Superman. Doing it now just breaks their existing narrative.

That said I will be curious to see how far this actually goes. Sometimes comments at cons like this don't actually amount to much in the actual books.


Edit: In other news it seems Brian Buccellato and Francis Manapul are finishing their Flash run and moving to an upcoming DC series. I really love Manapul's art and he did a great Flash. I'll be curious what he does next.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 10, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
At this point it's a moral issue for me.  I don't want to give my money to people that, by all accounts, not only don't share, but also actively oppose, my values.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 10, 2013, 03:18:52 AM
All I can think to do at this point is facepalm. I haven't read any DC books in the last few months, but even the slightest chance of me picking up another DC comic is shot to hell now. Good job Didio.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 10, 2013, 03:22:07 AM
Glad I'm not the only one, 'Mato.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 10, 2013, 03:47:03 AM
It's sad, because I started out really looking forward to the reboot (I was in the minority on it I know) but with every passing month now DC's been digging themselves into a larger and larger hole. Compare that with Marvel, who have gotten their dren together to the point where I am happily reading at least several "Core" books (Books like Uncanny Avengers and All New X-men) rather then just a few books that were too minor to be swept up in event madness.

DC... even with the Crime Syndicate around the corner, I don't think I can bring myself to even pirate any more dc books. I am so done with them, as a company, that I can't even bring myself to read stories about a team I started an entire blog about.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on September 11, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
You can't even bring yourself to pirate any more DC books? How will the company survive?  ^_^
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Deaths Jester on September 11, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
Well, I guess it's good I was never a DC comic supporter...course I'm now not a big Marvel Supporter like I used to be.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 11, 2013, 05:30:40 PM
It's so sad, because this whole plan had tons of potential...though they were determined to waste almost all of it from the earliest outset.  DC's schizophrenic approach to their world-building and storytelling has doomed whatever good ideas (like Aquaman) managed to leak through the fields of stupidity that surrounded their relaunch.

I like your picture there, 'Mato.  Apt.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 12, 2013, 03:38:19 AM
You can't even bring yourself to pirate any more DC books? How will the company survive?  ^_^

That didn't come off entirely as intended... what I meant was, I'm so disgusted I don't think I could bring myself to read anything they're putting out, even if it's just dling pirated copies (because really, there is no way I'm giving them ANY of my money after Didio's braindead comments).

It's so sad, because this whole plan had tons of potential...though they were determined to waste almost all of it from the earliest outset.  DC's schizophrenic approach to their world-building and storytelling has doomed whatever good ideas (like Aquaman) managed to leak through the fields of stupidity that surrounded their relaunch.

I like your picture there, 'Mato.  Apt.

Yeah, it'll probably stick around for awhile (http://tomatoisjp.tumblr.com/post/60909136756/new-avatar) before I go back to something Tomato-related. The magnitude of how utterly asinine this whole thing is has me quite angry at Didio and at DC as a company.

(Speaking of Aquaman, if anyone here REALLY wants to see a rant, I made a huge one about his portrayal in flashpoint (http://tomatoisjp.tumblr.com/post/58570781648/atopfourthwall-thanks-and-i-like) awhile back. It's oddly appropriate now)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: DrMike2000 on September 12, 2013, 05:09:39 AM
There's a nice write up by Brett White in his (btw very awesome) blog today on Comic Book Resources:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47848

Basically he's just echoing the growing disenchantment with DC that I'm seeing around the net.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 16, 2013, 01:41:37 AM
Thanks Dr. Mike. :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: DrMike2000 on September 17, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
My pleasure, Ant. :)
I find Brett's blog to be an awesome wellspring of enthusiasm, even when he's criticising something.

Benton - nice rant there. I haven't seen Flashpoint, but did sit through a couple of the DC movie length cartoons recently, and found them turgid and overwrought.
Luckily, I got into The Brave and the Bold cartoons recently, which have been the  perfect antidote.


Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on September 17, 2013, 12:44:04 PM
ok this is what confuses me why are they against marriage and a gay one of this standard

and i stress right from the get go this idea is not something i agree with or share with such a simple mindedness. but its a lesbian couple you really think some narrow viewed arse didnt go hey its lesbians let them shack up with can sell that to 14 year old boys. i was always a marvel kid aside from batman and it was bruce timm that got me into dc. to watch them slide head first into a brick wall when the new 52 had so much potential

i didnt read batwoman but seeing the reviews and awards it was getting i'm amazed dc didnt just let them run with it. but then again these are the same people who have turned MOTU into the pms braindead conan hour, have gail simone fired over email only to rehire her due to they're shock at the outrage, cancel demon knights etc etc

and then there is stuff like synders batman and the idea of the forever evil arc that give them another week :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 17, 2013, 01:17:15 PM
I have to say that one of the minor things that has been bothering me in life is that I don't have the finances to maintain a monthly comics pull anymore. But realistically, from the sounds of things, I'm really better off for not having one. Disappointing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 18, 2013, 03:48:29 AM
Benton - nice rant there. I haven't seen Flashpoint, but did sit through a couple of the DC movie length cartoons recently, and found them turgid and overwrought.
Luckily, I got into The Brave and the Bold cartoons recently, which have been the  perfect antidote.

...

(Speaking of Aquaman, if anyone here REALLY wants to see a rant, I made a huge one about his portrayal in flashpoint (http://tomatoisjp.tumblr.com/post/58570781648/atopfourthwall-thanks-and-i-like) awhile back. It's oddly appropriate now)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 18, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
To be fair, if I had written it, it would have been even more awesome. ;)

Haha, really though, that was pretty well-written, 'Mato, and I have to say, I didn't realize what the source of the feud between Aquaman and Wonder Woman actually WAS.  That kills any interest I have in ever reading that story, because you are absolutely right.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 18, 2013, 08:58:55 PM
Good op/ed piece on DC's current mode of practice  (http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-new-52-batwoman-harley-quinn-dan-didio-editorial/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on September 18, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Sadly, I don't think I'm in the "biggest possible audience" they mention in that article. The New 52 comics I have enjoyed, like I, Vampire, Dial H, and Men of War, were all cancelled fairly quickly.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 19, 2013, 01:57:29 AM
While I agree with almost everything in that article, I wouldn't even be generous about DC pleasing even the "straight white male who reads comics," even if that IS their intent. Benton and I both fall under that umbrella, and while we're very different in terms of our comic preferences, both of us have stopped reading DC comics because of the whole "no character is married in DC" thing. At this point, it's more like "nerds who never leave their parent's basement" demographic, and that is very, VERY short sighted.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on September 19, 2013, 03:48:44 AM
Yeah, I've been with my wife for 18 years, married for 15 of them, family is important to me. I find it extremely difficult to support a company that isn't going to support family values such as marriage.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: DrMike2000 on September 19, 2013, 07:07:15 AM
Oops. Sorry, Tomato. Great rant from YOU.

Yeah, I'm another member of their supposed core audience. I've been reading superhero comics for 30-odd years and I'm not digging this move at all.

The "no marriage" rule shows very flawed logic.

I agree with the starting point. One of the most exciting parts of modern life is falling in love - its the last adventure left to us in a world where we're generally not starving or fighting for survival. And it makes sense for fiction to focus on that aspect rather than the relative stability that follows. Take the Spiderman movies by Sam Raimi - the first two form a perfect whole of Peter and MJ's rocky road to getting together. The third movie has them arguing in a restaurant about who's career is more popular or something. (This doesn't mean you can't write a married couple well, but you have less easy material to mine.)

Anyway, DC seem to then go on and say "if our most popular characters are young and single, lets make ALL our characters young and single."
This is the dumb part of their argument. First off, it doesn't work. You know what made Wally West look young? Hanging out with grey-templed Jay Garrick and getting advice off him on being a superhero, or whether he should marry Linda. Ralph and Sue Dibny made Booster Gold and Beetle look more like a pair of likely lads by contrast. Reed and Sue provide contrast to Thing and Torch. etc.

Imagine if DC applied this logic to other groups.
All our most popular characters are male, lets phase out all females.
All our most popular characters are white, so phase out any black or Asian characters.

I've always favoured diversity. That applies to age and marital status too.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on September 20, 2013, 09:40:21 PM
Check out the old "Thin Man" series. It shows that married couples can have adventures and be in love years after marriage (although Nora did get ditzier as the series went on). I know I've read a Clive Cussler book about married treasure hunters where their relationship was quite enteraining as they went through various adventures.

It's not the situations, it's whether or not the writer is good enough or creative enough to handle it.

Maybe lack of expierience?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on September 23, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
Ralph and Sue Dibny were inspired by the Thin Man. DC managed to handle their relationship quite well until Identity Crisis...

I always though Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and Grant Morrison's Animal Man handled married protagonists really well ...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 23, 2013, 08:56:06 PM
Meanwhile, over at Marvel comics (http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/61350829729/i-understand-trying-to-make-comics-female-friendly-but).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bearded on September 27, 2013, 04:25:42 AM
Arthur was even married to Mera on Smallville, the show in which they youthenized everyone. Hmm. I think Dido is just wrong. I think him saying that is something writers are just going to ignore. I mean, it was said out of story, it is not like the horrid thing that happened to spidermans family.
(http://www.geekexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Aquaman-and-Mera-not-married-in-the-New-52.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 30, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
the door revolves again

From CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48172)

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During the Las Vegas Comic Expo's Superman panel this weekend, writer Scott Lobdell announced he had been released from his duties as writer of "Teen Titans" by way of text message.

While I did not read Teen Titans, nor am I huge Lobdell fan, being fired via text message still seems kind of tacky.

EDIT: See below
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 30, 2013, 06:50:01 PM
It also seems to be a trend.  How ridiculously unprofessional is it to fire someone via text?  E-mail is bad enough.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 30, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
Edit: It was a joke
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UPDATE 9/30/2013 8:45 AM PT: Scott Lobdell has clarified his comments at Las Vegas Comic Expo after being contacted by CBR, stating he was joking during his response to the question. Lobdell is still writing "Teen Titans" and has not been fired from the book via text message or otherwise.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 30, 2013, 09:31:41 PM
I'm reminded of what someone was saying with regards to the Harley Quinn incident... when you have fostered an environment where you can say something that, in any other situation, would be recognised as a joke, and people instantly believe it, you are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 30, 2013, 09:55:04 PM
Yeah, 'Mato, exactly.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on October 10, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
At first I hated the idea of updated Batman origin but maaan couple of issues in its been really great.

The latest issue (Batman#24) reminded me why I love comics
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on November 06, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
So I finally got around to reading JLA #23.

I know I know. I made this whole big deal out of not reading DC Comics after the stunt they pulled with Aquaman. And really, I still see this as more an obligation then an actual desire to read these books, in the same way I feel obligated to re-read Countdown for a CSA review on that whole abomination of nature sometime down the line. That having been said... while I won't say the story is GREAT (I haven't read the whole trinity war to actually be invested in that EVENT book, and again, reading this out of obligation more than desire) but I DID see something that made me very happy.

(http://i.imgur.com/w9Xb727.jpg)

This panel right here. Now, I'm gonna be honest, if this design were around when I did that whole "CSA Aquaman" contest thingie, I wouldn't have bothered. Sure, it's not orange and green (though that'd just take a quick palette swap) but the design is very well done for a character who will apparently only ever be in a few panels in this continuity. It's a nice call back to the 90s costume (which works better as an EEEVVVVIIILLL version anyway), with enough new elements that give the "Sea King" his own unique flair. THIS is a CSA Aquaman I can get behind, unlike certain other abominations I could point out. It helps that this actually looks like a frelling AQUAMAN counterpart.

As for the actual event... I've still got a LOOOOT of comics to review before we get there, but so far... it's ok. They seem to be giving a legitimate reason behind the limited number of CSA members (which is nevertheless annoying since it cuts off potential story options of CSA Green Arrow meeting his counterpart but whatever) but the characters are well written in issue 23 and I like what's been done with Power Ring so far. I still won't forgive DC for mishandling of Aquaman's marriage, but I'm engaged enough to finish reading the event, at least.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on November 07, 2013, 12:43:27 AM
It was cool when this CSA Aquaman walked out. It's a decent design. I was disappointed when he written out almost immediately. However I understand that the character appears in Phantom Stranger afterwards in some capacity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on November 12, 2013, 02:11:11 PM
So... apparently Supergirl is going to be a Red Lantern (http://www.newsarama.com/19526-guess-who-s-a-new-red-lantern-as-title-smashes-with-green-lantern-for-february-flipbook.html)

What.  The.  Hell?

This essay (http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com/2013/11/kara-as-red-lantern-really.html) sums up my feelings about this pretty well.  I know I've given up on DC comics in general, but seriously guys, are you trying to make me actively hate you?  Do the creators at DC have such miserable real life lives that it must spill over into the DCU, making it a joyless and grim place?  Share the misery, so to speak?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Kenn on November 12, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Hmm.  What are the odds, that the the counter at HasDCDoneSomethingStupid.com has gone back to zero?


Is there anyone out there who is still actually reading DC Universe titles?   I get "Batman '66" and "Astro City" but I gave up the main DCU titles when I finally gave up "Aquaman".
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on November 12, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
Is there anyone out there who is still actually reading DC Universe titles?   I get "Batman '66" and "Astro City" but I gave up the main DCU titles when I finally gave up "Aquaman".

I'm reading some stuff. Batman line of books is fun for the most part. Swamp Thing and Animal Man too. Wonder Woman is also pretty good. Justice league line of books I follow depending on the story. Some things they do are good some are bad...

Tbh I rarely post in this topic because the negativity has gotten way out of hand. Which is fine and all, everyone has a right to voice their opinion, just not my thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on November 13, 2013, 12:43:48 AM
I read Scott Synder's Batman, as well as Geoff Johns' Justice League, JLA, and Forever Evil. I also get Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated in trade format (just one more left).

Batman is a very good title, though I'm not huge on the current Zero Year story arc. The Joker and Owl stories were great though.
I became a big fan of Morrison's Batman run over time, and I'm very excited to see the ending (though I've heard mixed things).
I would recommend both series.

The Justice League books are a mixed bag. I liked Trinity War for the most part, and Forever Evil is okay so far. Johns has been pretty good at keeping me intrigued on JLA and Forever Evil.


Tbh I rarely post in this topic because the negativity has gotten way out of hand. Which is fine and all, everyone has a right to voice their opinion, just not my thing.

I suspected this might be the case. This disappoints me. I like discussing my weekly comics.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on November 13, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
I'd be interested in hearing more of your thoughts on Justice League, Pod.  I dropped the book after Throne of Atlantis, so I haven't read a lot of the later stuff, but I was increasingly disappointed with it.  I just found that I didn't particularly like any of the League as Johns portrayed them, and I didn't find their stories terribly interesting.  It's weird, because I thought that the pieces of the book, the ideas of the plot and the basics of the characters, were all really interesting.  I just didn't much care for how they came together.  Part of the trouble is all of the books just feel so darn short.  It's got to be really challenging to tell meaty stories given the multiple constraints DC writers face: limited page counts, pressure towards a trade-centric style, and a profusion of (admittedly beautiful) splash pages. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on November 13, 2013, 02:11:32 AM
I meant to say that about Supergirl as a Red Lantern I don't really have any opinion without knowing what the story is.

Good question Benton. First off the art is always great, but that's no surprise it is the flagship book.
Generally I find the book is just okay. The conflicts always feel epic, but there's not all that much going on with the characters. That lack of character development would be my biggest problem, my other problem would be that the League rarely feel like a true team, and I think that's because they skipped to 5 years later and they spend half their time arguing with each other. The most interesting and relatable character for me was Steve Trevor, he just had more going on with his relationship with WW and being on the out with the team. Most of the other characters who were just there. Not surprising since so many of them belonged to other books. I did feel the book was getting better as it went on. The new additions (Firestorm, Element Woman, and Atom) helped keep me interested and the Shazam backups were pretty good, I found myself getting into Billy and Freddie's story.

I like JLA a more. The characters seemed to have more going on and there was a lot of intrigue around the Secret Society and the characters motivations.

Neither are my favorite books. To say more I'd probably have to go pull out my issues and refresh my memory.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2013, 08:06:06 AM
So I've been meaning to come in here and give my thoughts on some of the comics I've been reading too.

Batman: Scott Synder's a excellent writer, and I am routinely impressed by his Batman book. However, I find it hard to get excited for it between issues. It's just a really solid, sometimes very impressive Batman solo book. Now I'll admit Death of the Family I thoroughly enjoyed, Capullo's art is great and Synder does seem to give Bruce at least one "Hell Yeah" moment every issue or so. I also find Harper Row interesting, I'd want to read more about her. I'm also not sure if I'll want to follow Batman Eternity as it comes out. I'd definitely read it in trade form but I don't know if I've got it in me to read that much Batman regularly; it'd be a real time sink and drain my wallet.

Justice League: The current book of Justice League I didn't really enjoy that much until the rookie characters showed up. I used to buy the Meltzer, McDuffie, and Robinson runs of JLA and always found the younger, less established characters more interesting since the writers were more free to actually DO stuff with them.  I've found that to be true here.  The art's great. Some of the trust issues between the characters get a little grating (why does Batman change his mind about Booster Gold's JLI?) though I got a big laugh at Batman spying on Superman and Wonder Woman's relationship because of how on the nose and typical paranoid-Batman it was. I call him the Bat-Voyeur.

Trinity War: I actually enjoyed the Trinity War. I found it started strong, got a bit dull in the middle, but had a pretty cool ending, even if it was a blatant lead in to Forever Evil. 

Forever Evil: I'm enjoying reading the mean book, and the Justice League tie-ins to it have been decent. my biggest interest in FE is seeing what's gonna happen with Nightwing, and finding out the answers to the big mysteries in the book
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I'm also enjoying Luthor's role in the story, as well as the Rogue's, and the guest appearances by the Teen Titans (though I seem to recall having issues with how they were written/drawn)

JLA: I liked this more than Justice League, but not during FE. The tie in storyline in JLA is a weird, kinda dull filler-ish storyline, with poorer art than the book had before. I'll actually kinda awaiting the end of it so the book can get more interesting. I do marginally enjoy reading the origin of Stargirl though. I liked this version of the character.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on December 21, 2013, 12:13:44 PM
Looking forward to Batman: Eternal. But only gonna get that in trade, since its weekly series.
I like Forever Evil for the most part but it feels a bit dragged out IMO. Justice league tie in is really good, especially Ultraman and Owlman's origins.



Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on December 21, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
I agree with FE being dragged out, but I think a huge part of that is that the writers are having so much fun with the change of pace that they're in no real rush to go back immediately.

Me personally though, I'm in geek heaven. I've dedicated an entire blog (http://antimato.tumblr.com/) to the Crime Syndicate, and while my devotion will always be to the Morrison rendition (JLA: Omega notwithstanding) DC has been doing some really great work with the Crime Syndicate, and this entire crossover has been extremely well done. It's clear they put thought and effort into this whole event, and that this was planned out far enough in advance that they ironed out all the kinks before having to do retcons less than a year in.

Yes, I'm being a bit sarcastic, but if the entire N52 had been this well made, I'd still be as excited about it as I was in the beginning. I'll certainly be buying the trades of both the main book and justice league, though I'm going to wait for the inevitable "event" torrent to decide if I'm interested in anything else. The one I'd be most likely to get would be Aquaman, but I still haven't forgiven Didio for his nonsense, so I dunno. I'll wait to read it first.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on January 12, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Picked up 'tec 27 and I gotta say it was better than I expected. Although the story I was looking forward the most ended up being my least favorite (case of the crime syndicate) its a really nice collection.

Gothopia seems like its going to be fun, and Snyder's futuristic story I liked a lot, would make a cool canon future for Bruce.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on January 14, 2014, 05:38:37 AM
Hey so Wally (http://www.newsarama.com/20031-wally-west-to-make-new-52-debut-the-flash-gets-new-creative-team.html) is coming back...that's good...hopefully...maybe....

Honestly I'm happy DC is using the character again but I have to reserve any further comment until I see the context.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 14, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
Hey so Wally (http://www.newsarama.com/20031-wally-west-to-make-new-52-debut-the-flash-gets-new-creative-team.html) is coming back...that's good...hopefully...maybe....

Honestly I'm happy DC is using the character again but I have to reserve any further comment until I see the context.

Oddly enough he looks like Pollux which I'm not really happy with...gosh I miss the old DCU especially Connor Kent.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on January 25, 2014, 09:13:11 PM
Hey so Wally (http://www.newsarama.com/20031-wally-west-to-make-new-52-debut-the-flash-gets-new-creative-team.html) is coming back...that's good...hopefully...maybe....

Honestly I'm happy DC is using the character again but I have to reserve any further comment until I see the context.

For me, Wally West IS The Flash. He was The Flash that I grew up with, and I am very glad to know that he's coming back. Of course, I couldn't tell you the last time that I actually picked up a new comic book, so I probably won't be picking this one up either.

As for his costume, I have no problem with seeing a blue Flash, but this design is just too much, way overdone. DC needs to tone it down...a lot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on January 26, 2014, 07:41:40 AM
So I finally sat down and read through the Earth 2 books tonight... and just wow. I know I was in the camp that was kinda blah about Earth 2 originally... but this has been a fun ride.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on January 26, 2014, 04:14:10 PM
So I finally sat down and read through the Earth 2 books tonight... and just wow. I know I was in the camp that was kinda blah about Earth 2 originally... but this has been a fun ride.

shame they spoiled the whole who is the new batman mystery with the announcement of the earth 2 toyline
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 28, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
So I finally sat down and read through the Earth 2 books tonight... and just wow. I know I was in the camp that was kinda blah about Earth 2 originally... but this has been a fun ride.

shame they spoiled the whole who is the new batman mystery with the announcement of the earth 2 toyline

Earth 2 and Wonder Woman are the only books I can stomach. Also I had no idea they spoiled who it was. I will go on living in ignorance.

EDIT:
Oh wait...I thought that spoiler was wrong? No?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on January 29, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
James Robinson confirmed that the spoiler was legitimate, but honestly the only reason I knew about it was because people pointed it out. I'm sure we'll find out for sure this week, since Annual #2 is supposed to be Batman's origin
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on January 30, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
James Robinson confirmed that the spoiler was legitimate, but honestly the only reason I knew about it was because people pointed it out. I'm sure we'll find out for sure this week, since Annual #2 is supposed to be Batman's origin

It was ok. It wasn't written by Robinson (who is leaving DC). I'm actually sad that Earth 2 is going to go downhill now that he won't be handling it. I really enjoy this comic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on January 30, 2014, 10:20:21 PM
i read it but i'm torn, i like the idea that bruces parents weren't as squeaky clean and perfect as always. but i hate the fact that now batman is simply a old druggy murderer
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on January 30, 2014, 10:45:10 PM
Eh, it doesn't bother me because I see Earth 2 as more of an elseworlds, and it's more or less a convenient way for them to bring back the Flashpoint Batman.

As for Earth 2 suffering outside of Robinson's hands... while I have really enjoyed the writing on E2 so far, this is the same man who brought us Cry for Justice AND JLA:Omega. I'm willing to give another writer a decent shot at it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on January 31, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
Wow, that does not sound like something I'd enjoy.  Ha, yikes.  I'm curious to see what will happen with the change in Aquaman writer.  I think that, with the head of steam Johns built up, a different writer could do a lot of good for the character and the book...especially if they will leave the freaking "Others" out of it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on January 31, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Ehhh... You probably wouldn't Benton, but I think we're making it sound worse than it is... we're tiptoing around the spoiler of the current Batman's identity, so we're being overly vague about what happened.

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on February 01, 2014, 02:55:51 AM
I'm curious to see what will happen with the change in Aquaman writer.  I think that, with the head of steam Johns built up, a different writer could do a lot of good for the character and the book...especially if they will leave the freaking "Others" out of it.

Actually DC is launching a new Aquaman and the Others ongoing in a few months. I think Dan Jurgens is writing it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 01, 2014, 03:31:10 AM
I know, and while it is super awesome that the Sea King is going to be headlining two books for the first time ever(!), I really can't stand the Others. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on February 01, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
...I really can't stand the Others.

Why?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I know AA, that may seem a bit strange.  Honestly, my dislike of them stems from the fact that they were basically shoved down my throat in the Aquaman book.  All of a sudden, this group of characters are thrown at me, and I'm told, without knowing ANYTHING about them, 'care about them!  See, they're interesting, and one of them is dead!  Oh no!'  Their subsequent experiences were similar, style over substance, and really unnecessary plot complications that took the focus off of the character for which I bought the book in the first place.  Now they just sorta' annoy me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on February 02, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
I know AA, that may seem a bit strange.  Honestly, my dislike of them stems from the fact that they were basically shoved down my throat in the Aquaman book.  All of a sudden, this group of characters are thrown at me, and I'm told, without knowing ANYTHING about them, 'care about them!  See, they're interesting, and one of them is dead!  Oh no!'  They're subsequent experiences were similar, style over substance, and really unnecessary plot complications that took the focus off of the character for which I bought the book in the first place.  Now they just sorta' annoy me.

Got it. That pretty much sums up the whole Nu52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 02, 2014, 07:36:52 PM
That's true.  I have CONSTANTLY found myself reading a story where a classic idea/story arc/character is glossed over in the rush to cover new ground (think of all the implied past adventures in Justice League), and fervently wishing to read THOSE stories rather than the ones being presented.  I've often felt like DC writers are falling into the same problem a lot of modern narratives do (I've especially noticed this in movies these days), trying to imply more than they explain.  When done well, such a tactic can create the illusion of a rich, deep history behind your narrative.  (Think of the hints of a wider world in The Lord of the Rings)  Yet, when done poorly, audiences just feel lost or unmoored in the story.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on February 03, 2014, 12:30:12 AM
That's true.  I have CONSTANTLY found myself reading a story where a classic idea/story arc/character is glossed over in the rush to cover new ground (think of all the implied past adventures in Justice League), and fervently wishing to read THOSE stories rather than the ones being presented.  I've often felt like DC writers are falling into the same problem a lot of modern narratives do (I've especially noticed this in movies these days), trying to imply more than they explain.  When done well, such a tactic can create the illusion of a rich, deep history behind your narrative.  (Think of the hints of a wider world in The Lord of the Rings)  Yet, when done poorly, audiences just feel lost or unmoored in the story.

I completely agree. It is so weird because at first I was like "yes this is going to be like an unboot with minor changes to make DC more grounded in the modern times". What we got was rotating creative teams, unfinished ideas, and the significant loss of epic history. As much as I like what is being done with Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Earth 2 there is so much more I absolutely hate. Namely Teen Titans and it's lack of consistent history. They can't even decide if Tim Drake was a Robin or not. It really is a shame because DC Comics was the brand I loved as a child and now it is just some 90's Wildstorm/Image comics mess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: deano_ue on February 03, 2014, 01:20:08 AM
Don't get me started on teen titans, I finally caught up with the back issues I had. What in the hell is that. I knew superboy fans were annoyed at what had been done to Conner, but kid flash fans should bloody riot
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on February 03, 2014, 02:07:27 AM
Yeah... I choose to forget that Teen Titans even exists. It's right up there with Twilight in terms of "things I wish never happened"
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 03, 2014, 03:46:00 AM
AA, I feel exactly the same way.  Heck, I spent years of my spare time composing a giant freaking love-letter to DC Comics.  It is a shadow of its old self these days.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on February 14, 2014, 02:15:56 AM
So Scott Synder's Batman title has been consumed by the Zero Year storyline which tells the New 52 version of Year One. It's a fine story, but I can't get that excited about it.
This week they took a break from Zero Year (to give artist Greg Capullo time to draw the next issue) for sneak peak at the upcoming weekly title Batman Eternal. This was a very nice change of pace and had a few things of interest to me:

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Batman is probably the only DC book (that I actually read) that I can legitimately recommend.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 05, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
So Forever Evil 6....wow

Major spoilers ahead
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on March 06, 2014, 05:07:44 PM

Forever Evil was great but....

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 06, 2014, 05:35:04 PM

Forever Evil was great but....

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Oh for sure
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 24, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
LoL, Forever Evil indeed, last issue has been delayed until 21st of may
http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/915?stockItemID=JAN140237

Also affected are JL, JLA, Nightwing and Suicide Squad.

No official reason was given but
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on March 25, 2014, 02:11:44 AM
LoL, Forever Evil indeed, last issue has been delayed until 21st of may
http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/915?stockItemID=JAN140237

Also affected are JL, JLA, Nightwing and Suicide Squad.

No official reason was given but
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I'd imagine it's slow art. Dave Finch isn't the fastest artist and I think some issues of Forever Evil were slightly delayed already.
The others being delayed is just a result of FE, I'm quite sure. Their stories will play off the final issue of FA.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on March 28, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

Forever Evil was great but....

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Yeah, I find it even sillier when you consider...

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on March 28, 2014, 10:02:14 PM
Waitaminit...

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on March 30, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Ah......The classics, they never get old do they?
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on April 24, 2014, 08:37:48 PM
Anyone else excited about Earth-2?

It is easily becoming my favorite comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Thunder on April 24, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
I am really enjoying Earth 2.  I'm a HUGE JSA fan from way back. That being said, I love seeing new interpretations of these classic characters.  I'm interested to see Val come to his true powers.  Always hoping for a Hawkman to complement Hawkgirl. I love the interplay between all the characters.  I'm going to be interested to see who else they brng in from the "old guard". DC already announced a weekly series called World's End: Earth 2.   
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Ares_God_of_War on April 27, 2014, 12:49:10 AM
I like Earth 2 and they may be bringing PG and Huntress back to it based on some images I have seen. I do miss the old fun Powergirl though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 27, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
I tend to shy away from alternate universe just because I already get too many books and it's tough to lump another line in. Your (AA) enthusiasm sold me on given it a go and the Worlds Collide event provided a good jump on point, as well I got wrangled into the Ultimates books now for Marvel via Hunger, so may as well. Which means I'm mostly only familiar now with Power Girl and Huntress, and a bit with the E2 Batman. I like the stories I read so far, more though the character depth. These ones are written as 3 dimensional persons that I can justify caring about their adventures as opposed to the polar end of flat plot mover ones, so it's good reading thus far by that account. Thanks for turning me onto it.

In other news, and not sound bratty, but that Forever Evil delay is turning into a bit of a thorn on my end and more so than I imagined it would. I'm finding I'm opening one comic after another, staring down at an unrecognizable setting and establishing point, immediately the first pages referencing FE#7 and indicating the story as fall out from that as yet unreleased comic, then finally me shutting the book again and placing it in a "hold" pile of sorts. Even now in the case of books that weren't directly tied in, like Flash for example. I won't shed skin over it and it'll be worked out eventually but I really can't hide what a bummer it is, and a tiny bit of shame on the publisher for dropping the ball that far. 

Oh and the last Larfleeze issue was so great I spit my Pringles midchew. That book has become my modern " Sensational She-Hulk " replacement. I'm also really taken by Red Lantern Supergirl and everything else happening in the RL book, especially the ever increasing Zox character growth. Personally I'm overall happy with the way the new GL Family creative team is handling things, most of all in getting the various characters on equal footing instead having Hal always front and center. No love lost for Hal either, I just like seeing the other mainstays getting their due.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on May 15, 2014, 12:29:41 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on May 15, 2014, 02:49:21 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 15, 2014, 04:28:30 AM
@AA
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 23, 2014, 05:13:29 PM
Forever Evil #7
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Midnite on May 24, 2014, 02:54:59 AM
New 52 Wally West

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/0/6063/3841921-fls_5yl_3a_600_b_580_537e9528a925c0.97905178.jpg)

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on May 24, 2014, 02:58:32 AM
It's...kinda ugly. It's the top of the mask that's bugging me most. Maybe it'll look better if I see more images.
Of note this is the Future's End Wally from 5 years later. Regular Wally doesn't have powers yet from what I've heard.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 24, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
^ What Podmark said. That's from Futures End which is an alternate future story with an even further in an alternate future Batman Beyond running around in it.
In present day in the Flash series Wally is just a powerless pre-teen. Though with the time shenanigans going on that book this could come to pass. A lot of people already got confused by solicits and thought the alternate future " blue Flash " was also the " new New 52 " present day one but this didn't turn out to be the case.
Agreed it's a gaudy look just by the image. Though it would make a good looking skin. So would the blue Flash. Hmmm?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on May 25, 2014, 04:44:28 AM
Agreed it's a gaudy look just by the image. Though it would make a good looking skin. So would the blue Flash. Hmmm?


Agreed, I think both would make for some nice Skins, but as for the Comics, both are just really overdesigned. Clean them up a bit, unclutter them, and I would be very happy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on May 26, 2014, 02:39:48 AM
Is anybody reading the Flash?  How is the new Wally?  Is he still funny or at least a wise-cracked or is he moody?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Bloodshadow on May 27, 2014, 04:33:40 AM
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Is anybody reading the Flash?  How is the new Wally?  Is he still funny or at least a wise-cracked or is he moody?
Moody,annoying,rebellious....pretty much the average teenager with an attitude,I personally only still get Flash because of Brett Booth's fantastic artwork on speedsters but even Brett's rendition of Wally's outfit looks terrible to me.I just don't like the design at all whether its the colors,the armor look...I don't know,I just think it sucks and so does the current storyline.Hopefully with......
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 25, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
I haven't been reading Earth 2 ( a lot of you guys said it's good) Are they going to destroy that Universe?  If they do, could it be possible that the Superman over there (the good one, not the evil one) will come over to the New 52 as ICON?  I miss ICON and I would love to see him come back to the DC Universe
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on June 27, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
Soooooo, this just happened.
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Anyone alarmed by the development between Lex and Bruce?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 27, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
I already knew because they mentioned it in the solicits.
Don't know about the Bruce/Lex development so can't comment on it. Dropped the book after the (admittedly really good) Forever Evil. While the Lex stuff in FE was fantastic and totally sold me on the new status quo, right now I'm too disenchanted with anything DC comics to care about anything not called Scott Snyder's Batman to bother, and I'm tired of DC's "let's do a crossover every five minutes" nonsense, and since Justice League is ALREADY about to do one with Justice League United, I opted to bow out and wait for the trades.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on June 27, 2014, 10:21:28 PM
Soooooo, this just happened.
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Anyone alarmed by the development between Lex and Bruce?

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 28, 2014, 12:20:07 AM
In the interest of fairness (and since some people might not know) I should probably mention:

Tecnhically, The DP already appeared in Forever Evil. But it was only obscure C list members who havn't appeared in comics in decades, and, this being a Geoff Johns event story, they only appeared briefly before being gutted like a trout. This debut is more the kind I think a long established team like the Doom Patrol deserved in the New 52, regardless of my feelings about the property or characters, or the quality of their last few runs of comics.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on June 28, 2014, 05:16:16 AM
Yeah, other than Morisson, I don't think anyone has managed to write a Doom Patrol book that great. I'm gonna be a bit openminded to this since ELEMENT WOMAN!! and I liked Johns writing of the Doom Patrol in his TT Run (Albeit even just for a few issues)

Anyway, whatever happened to Ivan Reis? Mahnke is cool and all but his depiction of Element Woman looks off character IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 29, 2014, 02:35:55 PM
Funny you should mention: I loved Element Woman in John's JL book. I genuinely think that book got a lot better when the rookie characters were introduced. And you know, that splash page reminded me of that Teen Titans storyline and how much I enjoyed it (Tony Daniel's version of them looked way better IMO than Mahkne's here).
Yeah I missed Reis. Mahke is and always has been very hit and miss for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 30, 2014, 04:17:59 AM
Yeah, other than Morisson, I don't think anyone has managed to write a Doom Patrol book that great.

You have read the original 60's Arnold Drake run, haven't you? Because that was some pretty darn good stuff, especially for the time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on June 30, 2014, 08:42:34 AM
Yeah, other than Morisson, I don't think anyone has managed to write a Doom Patrol book that great.

You have read the original 60's Arnold Drake run, haven't you? Because that was some pretty darn good stuff, especially for the time.
Not really but now that you mentioned it, I'm gonna try look for an archive or omnibus.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on June 30, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
There are a couple of Showcase Presents with the original stories in them.

I alwasy felt that it was DC's attempt at dong a "Marvel" comic, and, while it had rough edges, it was pretty good.

Try to forget Mento's second costume, though...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on June 30, 2014, 11:36:29 PM
Aside from Drake and Morrison, I didn't hate Rachel Pollack, Paul Kupperberg and Keith Giffen's runs on Doom Patrol, either. The only runs which haven't been enjoyable were from John Byrne and John Arcudi.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 10, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
This sounds awesome!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53962

Gail is a good writer. But her Batgirl was depressingly dark. The new direction sounds like something they should have started with.
And the new costume looks cool. Definitely different from the rest of the Bat family.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/400/1/BATGIRLMODEL2-c3692.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on July 10, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
Cool, but it sorely reminds me of Steph as Batgirl.
Looking at the context of the pitch, that costume is an appropriate change for someone who just lost resources, Babs isn't the Multi Billionaire Bruce is. I wont be surprised if this costume caught on in cons seeing as how simple it looks and how easy it probably is to make.... but enough coddling, I think this is just DC's answer to Ms Marvel, a great teen based comic series which reminded me a lot of Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle (I miss that title, the plot was extremely original, something I've never even thought off or seen) seeing as how it's teenagers inherits veteran superhero name, tells friends, hijinks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 10, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
Cool, but it sorely reminds me of Steph as Batgirl.

It really does. Then again, Babs had upbeat fun stories before. Batgirl: Year One is my favorite Barbara story and its def the tone I'd like to see here.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 10, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
I like the costume, but it looks like they are going to make her younger, like around Tim's age and she is suppose to be around the same age as Nightwing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on July 11, 2014, 01:53:36 AM
Sad to see Gail is leaving, but this does sound pretty good! The costume looks neat and if the writers can pull off this "best elements of 'Veronica Mars' and 'Girls,' with a dash of 'Sherlock' thrown in for good measure" then that could be a good move for DC.

I've noticed DC trying to get a little more variety in their line. Seems like they're following Marvel a bit more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 16, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
Gail is a good writer. But her Batgirl was depressingly dark.

Gail has publicly said on twitter that that was due to editorial meddling (due to an editor who's not on the book any more) and that she opted to leave the book on her own terms. She's said she's happy to see the new run will be more fun and light-hearted.

I really like Gail Simone as a writer, and she's a wonderful human being in an industry full of jerks, but unfortunately she's rarely been on books I'm interested in reading (especially after Secret Six was cancelled). I won't lie, her Batgirl run was tempting (especially when Ragdoll from Secret Six showed up, I may have to buy that issue some time) and I do have some issues of her Birds of Prey run I need to read at some point. If she was writing the new Suicide Squad series I definitely would have tried it.

The new costume looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 16, 2014, 05:20:49 PM
SS, yeah, I like her as a writer as well, but the only book she's ever been on that interested me was The All New Atom, which was awesome.  It's a shame that she's had such a hard time at DC.

Batgirl is best served with a lighter tone, methinks, though the headlines I've seen of "hipster Batgirl" make me hurt inside. :P  Ha, hopefully that's not what the writer is actually doing. :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on July 16, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
Honestly, to me, the 'new' costume doesn't look that much different from the old one, just a bit more modern. If you're going to advertise a 'new' costume, at least have it be truly new. Otherwise, you might as well just stick with what you've got.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 16, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Unlike most of us, I don't care for the costume much.  It just seems...I don't know, too big of a departure, but then I wasn't crazy about the New 52 one either.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 18, 2014, 06:29:05 AM
SS, yeah, I like her as a writer as well, but the only book she's ever been on that interested me was The All New Atom, which was awesome.  It's a shame that she's had such a hard time at DC.
Funny thing about that, I read the first issue or two of All New Atom out of the bargain bin a few years ago (well after they first came out) and I remember I quite liked them. I always meant to read more of that series but never did ( I have A LOT of DC stuff from years past hanging around my place that I haven't read yet. I'm still trying to get through the first volume of Batman INC).  Even her Action Comics run, which wasn't anything special (though it did have a tie-in to Villains United, which launched Secret Six, which appealed to me), was decent IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 18, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
Ohh, you should definitely read through The All New Atom!  It really picks up after issue 10 or so. :)  Yeah, I've got several incomplete runs lying around that I need to finish out and read one of these days.  I've just got to find some time and some money. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on July 18, 2014, 03:10:19 PM
A little late to the party, but I personally ADORE this new Batgirl costume.  It still looks like "Batgirl", but is far more practical and just looks cool.  I'd cosplay this in a heartbeat if I had the time and money to build it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on July 22, 2014, 03:25:54 AM
I like the costume, too ... it looks cool and functional without trying to be uncomfortably sexy.

Silver Shocker, I'd love to see Gail Simone on Suicide Squad ... that book has been painful to read since it was relaunched in the New 52, and I'd be keen to see what Simone could do with the characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 22, 2014, 05:47:20 AM
Well, a big reason why I said that (other than that I really like Suicide Squad but the New 52 version never inspired much confidence in me based on its creative team, redesigns, ect) is because Simone was writing Secret Six before that, which was a spiritual successor to SS to begin with. She said that in many interviews, and original SS writer John Ostrander actually wrote an issue or two of the book (including a Deadshot spotlight issue, if I recall). In addition to that, the new SS book kept Deadshot and King Shark from S6 as to intice S6 fans to buy it (I didn't, but like I said, if Simone wrote it).
DC put out a reprint of the original Ostrander stories a years back and I got it and read through it. It's a bit dated in its writing style, but I still thought it was pretty darn good (and fun fact, I became a Suicide Squad fan mostly because of the SS mod for Freedom Force :) )
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on July 22, 2014, 09:27:21 AM
All of Ostrander's run was supposed to be collected but DC only released a single TPB, which unfortunately didn't sell well. Ostrander's run is one of my all time favourite DC Comics runs ... he really invigorated some old and underused characters, like Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, Bronze Tiger, Count Vertigo, etc and created great new ones in Amanda Waller and Barbara Gordon's "Oracle" persona.

The guy is a very underrated writer but there doesn't seem to be enough of a youthful fanbase for his work to warrant DC giving him any current projects.

The New 52 Suicide Squad just isn't very interesting to me ... it has the shallowness and anonymous style of a lame action movie, with too much of a focus/fanservice on the New 52 sexpot Suicide Girl version of Harley Quinn.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 25, 2014, 06:12:44 AM
I can say eleven issues in Future's End is exceeding my exceptions and has shaped up to be a solid comic book story and worth the price of admission. I don't feel like my time and money where wasted on it. I was nervous picking this one up given how out of left field it looked but it isn't disappointing and instead got better every issue. The characters and their moments together feel genuine which is a plus.

Didn't mean to interrupt, sorry. My stance on the New...or what the previous New Suicide Squad book (I liked the pre-DCnU title for that matter and of course Secret Six) is pretty obvious and that's that I'm a big fan. Though I wouldn't sell it as anything it isn't and like it for many of the reasons you guys might not. The Harley fanwanking for sure is a plus for me, I need more of it in my life. You left Waller wanking as well. My favorite parts of the run though turned out to be the character development of Deadshot and elaboration on King Shark. Like I said I like Secret Six but those guys were two dimensional clowns in that book, especially Shark and overshadowed by other characters in the series all while be played under Bane's top dog status. It was nice to see them get more attention and fleshed out. As for " New " well it's been one issue so not really much to go on. I'm interested to see what they do with Black Manta.

Speaking of rebooted books getting rebooted again recently, it's pretty cool that DC listened to all the negative feedback on Teen Titans and decided to scrap and reinvent the series. But, again mind it's only one issue but does it seem to anyone else that they reinvented...as the same thing it already was? Or am I not grasping what part of the dynamic actually shifted there?
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 25, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
All of Ostrander's run was supposed to be collected but DC only released a single TPB, which unfortunately didn't sell well. Ostrander's run is one of my all time favourite DC Comics runs ... he really invigorated some old and underused characters, like Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, Bronze Tiger, Count Vertigo, etc and created great new ones in Amanda Waller and Barbara Gordon's "Oracle" persona.
Oh I knew about that vol. 2, I would have bought that if it ever come out. It's disappointing, but understandable. I love that the Squad shows up in so many things now (video games, cartoon movies and live action shows) and that extra media exposure is probably a very good thing, I just wish that would help sell the earlier books.

I totally forgot that he made Babs into Oracle. That's awesome.

To me an ideal Squad has Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, Waller, and maybe Bronze Tiger. Which is why all the Assualt on Arkham stuff has made me very happy. I'm really hoping I'll enjoy that but honestly it'll have to be pretty flipping bad for me to not to.

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The guy is a very underrated writer but there doesn't seem to be enough of a youthful fanbase for his work to warrant DC giving him any current projects.

Well he did get to write Star Wars comics for many years, and if I recall correctly he was considered very good at it. That's not a bad gig.

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My stance on the New...or what the previous New Suicide Squad book (I liked the pre-DCnU title for that matter and of course Secret Six) is pretty obvious and that's that I'm a big fan.


There's nothing wrong with you liking it. If I ever read it and like it I'll happily concede it. For now though I just haven't bothered (it also sells out at my local store so I haven't been able to stock up on back issues during a sale, I have considered ordering a trade or two though) and a big reason is its never had a creative team or lineup that really grabbed me (though I do like that Patrick Zircher, who I loved on Thunderbolts and Cable & Deadpool, did work for the book).

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My favorite parts of the run though turned out to be the character development of Deadshot and elaboration on King Shark.  Like I said I like Secret Six but those guys were two dimensional clowns in that book, especially Shark and overshadowed by other characters in the series all while be played under Bane's top dog status.


I'll grant you Shark, he was definitely a comic relief character, but I personally don't think Floyd Layton came off too badly in S6. Yes, he was mostly there to be a snarky jackass but I don't think he came off badly knowing what I knew about him from the SS stuff. To use a Ghostbusters analogy (since I love me some Ghostbusters), he was very much like Venkman in the comic book, whereby being more of a comic relief character made him seem more shallow and surly.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 25, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
If I were selling Suicide Squad to someone, being the Glass run (the eventual writer toggling also makes summing it up difficult, at some Cheetah appears out of nowhere and vanishes again as well as Gordan Jr.) I guess I would sum it up saying " The plot and dialogue run like that of an action movie. Think superhero meets G.I.JOE. ". Not really a prolific read and it won't move you in any moments. I only note Glass here because it's considered the meat of the series and defined by him. I liked Zircher's run personally but it was it's own thing for the most part an to unfog the fact that we may be coming from different points of view as I've been speaking of the technical merits that were presented by Adam. Not to speak of the few other writers who eventually popped in and out before the series ended.

I watched a documentary on comic books last year and someone (can't remember, I think Palmiotti though) was speaking for how currently most comic writers were urged to write their books in a manner that they looked like potential movie scripts and storyboards as Hollywood was currently going through all books looking for the next golden goose egg, or something to this effect. I felt a lot of that there (noting I've seen few articles that insisting Suicide Squad/Task Force X is constantly being towards other mediums). Basically in agreement with Starman here except I enjoy a lame action movie every now and then so it appeals to me.

Have to agree to disagree on Floyd/S6 then sorry. I did enjoy him in S6, it was hard not to enjoy anything about that book but when I read him in it, as well Catman for that matter I just felt they were being underplayed to the other characters in the book and coming off as the 2d dimensional well, more the Latka than the Venkman to me. Venkman had character development, I didn't see much with Deadshot in S6. He was pretty much backdrop to characters like Bane, Scandal, Knockout and Ragdoll. Actually if we're going there I would say Deadshot is more the Venkman in Glass's SS run than S6 since the plot of Ghostbusters made light of what Peter's life concerns were and tied the plot into them. Suicide Squad seems to do the same for Deadshot, at least again the initial issues by Adam anyways.

Not to be criticizing the writing on Secret Six either, sorry if it sounds that way. Having backdrop characters when a large cast is present is almost always going to happen. More giving at least Glass's run a positive credit where I can find one and using what's available to contrast and illuminate it. I definitely put Secret Six over Suicide Squad DCnu in terms of overall quality and readability otherwise.

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While the subject of Harley Quinn is on the table my anaylisis of her series: This is a fun book and it's meant to be. If your looking for a dirty MAD Magazine style read then it's for you. If your looking for the deep relationship moments and serious character introspectives that found Harley in Gotham City Sirens then it isn't what your looking. It's a gross, goofy and often degrading to outright offensive read. I tend to see it as DC's softcore equilivant of Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt if the reference hit's with anyone. I almost feel while reading it that this is Amanda Conner sort of lashing out a repression of sorts born in her usually being cast as a sensitive, mindful writer and often lumped in as a feminist leader in ways. Her punk rock moment if you will. Because she doesn't bother to pander to anyone here in fact quite the opposite.So if gaffs, crudity and gross-out moments for the sake of it are your thing then give it a shot else avoid it. And of course the aforementioned Harley fanwaking. This book was obviously made for that exactly.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on July 26, 2014, 04:12:29 AM
Does the New 52 Suicide Squad sell well? If the action movie formula is getting results (Silver Shocker mentioned its sold out at his local store), I'm okay with it.

As much as I loved Ostrander's Suicide Squad, the sales were never that hot and I can understand why it's never proven popular enough to be collected in TPB. People's comic reading habits change. I thought Greg Rucka's Checkmate run was more of a natural successor to Ostrander's Suicide Squad than Simone's Secret Six was ... but that series also sold super poorly!

I think the type of stuff I enjoy isn't really in vogue with the comic-reading mainstream at the moment  :unsure:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 26, 2014, 06:05:37 AM
I don't check the numbers so no clue. I know they hacked up the team getting rid of lesser knowns (the only point of contention I had to the writer change, too much story was lost when that happened) and replaced them with well knowns and guest stars (Cheetah, Gordan Jr., Power Girl, Steel, so on). Usually when that tact happens quickly it's partly because the numbers are down. Also the series was ended and relaunched again at #1 with more character changes and all even more popular (now Deathstroke and Black Manta for example). No inside knowledge but those are strong indicators it wasn't hitting the mark. Though don't quote me, this seems to be happening with many of the books by DC and Marvel and might just be the way everything's done and not a reflection of sales?

And like he said it's cool. Different preferences, all are welcome and needed. My favorite stuff right now isn't mainstream either, my top five list doesn't even include a title by Marvel or DC. My favorite reads by the big two as well are the real odd ones. But I " digest " anything I can get my hands on is pretty much the size of me. Because something isn't great doesn't mean I won't have an appreciation for it in a different way. More I just love comics period. Put something with captions in front of me and I focus on it happily. On the downside this makes me a terrible critique and person to take comic suggestions from, I'm too forgiving basically. But it's what floats my boat. *shrug*
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on July 26, 2014, 06:53:00 AM
SickAlice, what other DC New 52 stuff are you enjoying, besides Suicide Squad?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 26, 2014, 09:41:06 AM
Sick Alice, just in case you weren't following me properly, I was strictly talking about the Ghostbusters comic book. In the movie Venkman's definitely the central character, with lots of time spent on his romance. In the comic book he's got a smaller role, with Egon and Winston being fleshed out more. Yes, there's definitely some character-centric stuff with him (the psychic encounter that shows him in his old college office is a good example) but that book also ran for a few years, and a lot of issues of that book have him just being surly.

Fair enough. I haven't read S6 in years so it's also entirely possible if I reread it I'd see it more your way, but yes, Catman was definitely given way more development than Floyd. I think I was fine with that because I really enjoyed the whole ensemble cast, and I recognize that in an ensemble cast some characters are often going to get a bigger spotlight. Plus with me not reading much DC these days (and with the New 52 leaving many of these older stories as a memory) I find myself waxing nostalgic to the books I enjoyed back then.

Starman, don't take what I said to mean that SS sells well everywhere. I have no idea what the numbers are and I'm strictly talking back issue bins well after the issues came out. My comic book shop's never been a good indicator for the greater comic buying public. Plus all that needs to happen for a book to sell out is for the shop to sell every copy they ordered. If they only ordered a few copies and people buy them, there you go.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 26, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
I kind of thought you might be meaning from another form of media since Venkman is the class clown in most. But saying Ghostbusters brings the film to mind for me first and I was more grabbing your analogy to try and explain what I was saying a little better. Note too I didn't have a problem with the way Deadshot was portrayed in S6 either if it seems like I'm saying that. I enjoyed that series through and through and still re-read arcs to date. I guess the best way to put it is one of the points I can give SS was that it complimented the character by fleshing him out a bit. Not to mention of course giving dimension to the Wall and the lesser known members. I just didn't read Suicide Squad as a complete loss. Subpar for sure but I'm not certain they were actually trying to present anything poignant anyways.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on July 27, 2014, 05:22:24 AM
So I hear they're turning Dick Grayson into a non-masked, gun-toting character.

If anyone here knows someone who works at DC Comics, please ask them to slap the living tar out of the editor who approved that idea.....

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Starman on July 27, 2014, 08:33:45 AM
The first issue of "Grayson" was actually pretty good, I thought ... Dick had his secret identity revealed during Forever Evil and he's not going around shooting up bad guys. I also like that he's working for the Spyral organisation that was introduced with Batman Incorporated.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 27, 2014, 11:34:24 AM
So I hear they're turning Dick Grayson into a non-masked, gun-toting character.

If anyone here knows someone who works at DC Comics, please ask them to slap the living tar out of the editor who approved that idea.....

I'm sure some of them would love to do that, but to paraphrase Kevin Smith, "But they don't do that, because they would like to keep their job".
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on July 27, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Didn't really mind it, if it expands Dick as a character, then go for it.

Also, finally finished Larfleeze, and like any good Giffen and DeMatteis story, it had freaking G'NORT!
The ending was real cool too, who knew?
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 29, 2014, 04:18:55 AM
The Larfleeze series was all that and more. Needs to be on everyone's list. I would've been more sad to see it go if it hadn't ended so perfectly. And yeah, G'Nort!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on July 29, 2014, 08:10:57 PM
So I just read about Grant Morrison's latest DC project Multiversity.  I think I'll be buying some DC comics again...well at least the nine issues of the series.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on July 31, 2014, 01:22:17 PM
DC Selfies month.

Gotta admit, even though the concept is beyond silly, I'm liking some of these covers.  Espcially the Superman and Wonder Woman ones, though that Aquaman one is just goofy.

http://comicsalliance.com/joe-quinones-batman-66-selfie-cover-robin-dc-comics/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on July 31, 2014, 02:04:31 PM
Oh gawd, the Aquaman cover, priceless BWAHAHAHA.

The Superman Batman Cover is neato too, but the Wonder Woman one..... ugh, I just don't get people who stick out their tounges, lol
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 31, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
Haha, those are sorta' neat in an odd way.  Other than the ridiculously over-sexualized look that Catwoman is sporting these days, I like her cover.  The cat struggling to get onto the counter cracks me up. :lol:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 31, 2014, 03:27:45 PM
The Catwoman one kind of freaky.  I can see her as an old cat lady living alone.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 31, 2014, 03:39:26 PM
Yeah Jey, she's just a YOUNG cat lady living alone at the moment. ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 31, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
Those are way cooler than they have any right to be, good stuff.

There's also a hilarious Alfred one
(http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5637026/batman.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 31, 2014, 04:41:54 PM
Haha! That is AWESOME! :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 04, 2014, 06:12:36 AM
Justice League #32...
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on August 04, 2014, 06:34:15 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 04, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
ElastiGirl's power was the she can grown, kind of like Giant man, right?  Then why is she called Elastigirl?  This is why I could never fully get into Doom Patrol.  I liked them, but they never held my interest.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on August 04, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
ElastiGirl's power was the she can grown, kind of like Giant man, right?  Then why is she called Elastigirl?

I think the writers knew that as well, because they eventually gave her the power to grow individual parts of her body as opposed to just becoming giant. In effect, it's like a variation on stretchy powers, thus earning her the name 'Elasti-girl.'
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on August 04, 2014, 11:51:45 PM
The original, original Elasti-Girl could both shrink and grow (exactly like Ant/Giant-Man), and learned how to alter one part of her body, usually her arm and hand, so she could smack someone across the room. Although there was this Brave and Bold team-up with The Flash where she enlarged one leg to cusion a fall from a height (or at least I think it was B&B). Sounds like it's some new incarnation of the DP, so I can't get too worked up over it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 05, 2014, 03:29:44 AM
I was pretty hyped regardless of their take. Mainly because I really loved the last incarnation and it was one of my biggest losses due to the reboot (hilarious commentary in that final issue from A.B.about the situation though). The other was R.E.B.E.L.S.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on August 05, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
She has control of her Molecular Structure, meaning yeah, she can stretch, but what's the use of stretching if you can grow 30ft and stomp on your foes?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 05, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Well she's only been shown in a few pages in one book so far. Just saying it's not as if the full extent of her powers has been changed but more they haven't had the panel time to show it. The character is definitely presented as she should be sans the bit streamlining that most DCnU characters go through (as opposed to the extreme makeovers some have had).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 05, 2014, 06:07:04 PM
Is DC planning on doing a Doom Patrol comic soon?  It looks like they are going to introduce them in JL and then spin them off into their own series
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 05, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
I violently disliked the latest "Transformers" version of Cliff Steele/Robotman, so I have my doubts about liking any of this....Which makes me sad, because I loved the original Doom Patrol (even the most recent version by )...(just saw a preview...
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I'm also frankly tired of DC's reboots.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on August 06, 2014, 03:00:10 AM
I violently disliked the latest "Transformers" version of Cliff Steele/Robotman, so I have my doubts about liking any of this....Which makes me sad, because I loved the original Doom Patrol (even the most recent version by )...(just saw a preview...
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I'm also frankly tired of DC's reboots.

Dana
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 07, 2014, 01:59:51 AM
So Earth 2
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 07, 2014, 07:06:05 PM
First it was Bombshell Girls
Now it Selfies
What's next?  LEGO, in honor of Batman 3

http://www.newsarama.com/21821-more-dc-comics-lego-variant-covers-revealed.html

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 07, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Is it just me or is DC finally starting to have... fun?

Nah.

(sidenote: EEEE!! Lego Frankenstein is ADORABLE!!)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 13, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
Art from gotham academy
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qUSNn_4UlMI/U-j-H-XZ1oI/AAAAAAAAU-s/BSpLRlSZPPo/s1600/tumblr_na5k4hdzaH1s5gizzo1_1280.png)

Looks fantastic!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 13, 2014, 01:15:13 PM
That looks like a video game.  Awesome!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on August 13, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
Lol, DC should just make a Batman Imprint
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on August 15, 2014, 12:57:39 AM
That looks like a video game.  Awesome!!

Heh, it really does. I like it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 15, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
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Trebean,

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on August 21, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
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Trebean,

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Boop, I guess it might just be an editorial mishap, she has the right last name here, but yeah she was called Miss Starr in an earlier panel.
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And other than this page, Larry didn't really, most of his later dialogues were hesitation on using his powers due to the harmful radiation it emits.
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on August 29, 2014, 08:41:03 PM
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Trebean,

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Boop, I guess it might just be an editorial mishap, she has the right last name here, but yeah she was called Miss Starr in an earlier panel.
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And other than this page, Larry didn't really, most of his later dialogues were hesitation on using his powers due to the harmful radiation it emits.
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 04, 2014, 08:53:23 PM
New issue of Justice League is out......

How do you feel about...

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on September 06, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
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Trebean,

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Boop, I guess it might just be an editorial mishap, she has the right last name here, but yeah she was called Miss Starr in an earlier panel.
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And other than this page, Larry didn't really, most of his later dialogues were hesitation on using his powers due to the harmful radiation it emits.
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New issue came out, Rita FARR is her name, Starr is just another dumb editorial mishap (Typical DC)
Yeah, THEIR thankfulness to the Chief does show here, again but I think it's for good reason, the Chief did save their life (But like you said, it will get grating on the long run). The only bad thing I felt about this issue was how Out of Character Element Woman was.

Also what else is to note? OH YEAH!!
John finally manages to write Batman properly (Well other than that arbitrary scene where Lex explains to Bats how Power Ring works)..

Anyway, I was rather fond of some of the Tie-Ins, I liked the Action Comics one, and the SwampThing (Which I feel, could have been stretched out for an entire arc, c'mon Soule! Just because you've gone exclusive with Marvel doesn't mean you should let the quality of your DC Books to downsize) I was also intrigued by Green Arrow and Detective Comics Tie In.

Tiny Titans in Atlantis? OH YEAH TITANS!!
In the digital site, Injustice is still pretty solid, and the last issue might leave you a bit shocked and how much a dick this new Superman is and how truly awesome Ganthet is. Infinite Crisis is finally getting somewhere thank god, and I decided to jump back in with Smallville and was pleasantly surprised that they're doing a Monitor arc, will this be somehow integrated on the rumored Crisis event in 2015? I have my doubts. Don't think there was a Beyond Comic this week so I was left wanting for more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 06, 2014, 12:46:24 PM
Secret Six announced! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55284)

This is some exciting news in the world of not-so-exciting(DC Comics) news!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 06, 2014, 03:54:35 PM
Secret Six announced! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55284)

This is some exciting news in the world of not-so-exciting(DC Comics) news!

Yay!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 08, 2014, 07:56:08 AM
Not really going to rewind it in a spoiler since it's on the cover of every issue, on the subject of Lex in JL I'm indifferent and mostly because not enough time has passed I think to have any solid feelings about it. So far in the positive it adds good tension and an interesting dynamic to the stories, the downside is much of the time it seems other characters are " worfed " to show off Lex's capacities which is something I'm never fond of.

One of my favorite DC books for awhile has been New 52 Futures End. I think it's a solid read and it hits the mark on exactly how a comic should be done especially in the areas of characterization,  suspense and pacing. At this time it's one of the books I eagerly look forward to the next issue over. I gambled on this and picked up most of the tie-ins for the event tied into the main series, many of which are books I'm otherwise not normally reading like Batwing, Green Arrow, Aquaman, so on (no offense to readers of these series nor ever a rusted token offered for them, it's just a matter of economics and these didn't make the allotment on my pull lists hence they never got picked up). I feel so far the gamble was worth it and some of these 1-shots have been intriguing and unique reads. In particular Action Comics Futures End seriously deserves an award for excellence. It's one of those rarely seen these days inspiring stories that's deeply heroic and inspirational. If you pick an issue to get this month that's the one I'm putting the seal of approval on.

Secret Six ^ Yummy! Nuff said.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on September 09, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
So, waitaminit... they cut off The Joker's FACE?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 09, 2014, 01:33:32 AM
So, waitaminit... they cut off The Joker's FACE?

Joker asked Dollman to cut off his face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Family
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on September 09, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
So, waitaminit... they cut off The Joker's FACE?
(http://www.vgcats.com/super/newsimage/slow.gif)
Yeah, somewhere near the start of the New 52
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 09, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
^Lol, I love that meme.

Secret Six announced! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55284)

This is some exciting news in the world of not-so-exciting(DC Comics) news!

Yep. After all the speechifying I've made recently about wanting to read more Simone, Secret Six, and losing interest in DC comics (I'm currently buying no DC right now), this is quite a boon.

As for Luthor, I've said my opinions earlier in this thread and elsewhere, but I'll repeat some.  Him joining the JL was on covers and solicits, so if you're a reader who looks at that kind of stuff regularly (like me), I don't really think of it as a spoiler, or at least much of one, since it's a development that was being set up in Forever Evil. Said miniseries sold me on the idea of Luthor as a hero or anti-hero, so I would have happily read that in JL, but I dropped the book for mostly unrelated reasons I went into earlier in this thread (tl;dr version: I stopped caring about the New 52, was trying to cut down on my pull list and decided to wait for the trade).

As for the "Worf Effect", that's not that surprising to me, but without reading the book I can't comment on it first hand. Personally I tend to like Luthor stories where he doesn't have his power armor since said power armor is very silly and cartoony, and I enjoy seeing have a more "hands-off" approach to the proceedings (in the same vein as Xanatos from Gargoyles, who has some similarities to Luthor to be sure). But it is an example of him using his resourcefulness to compensate for his lack of superpowers ("You wouldn'tbelieve what this cost me") which is something I appreciate both in DC and elsewhere. And in Forever Evil with the Syndicate running around you definitely need some kind of firepower.

As for Future's End, I only read the FCBD issue and I wasn't "whelmed". I thought the art by Van Sciver was superb, and I enjoyed seeing Terry McGuinness of Batman Beyond fame alongside Old Man Wayne, but other than that it didn't really do anything for me. The cyborg zombies were very silly, and as pointed out elsewhere online, somewhat mean spirited and didn't make much sense for Brother Eye. But I could easily believe the book has picked up since since there is certainly some promise there. Personally I would have had Terry go to the present day and meet the other heroes, including Bruce, in their prime. (Something that the DCAU, of course, did their own version of, which I loved). I've been wanting to get caught up on the better DC event/weekly/whatever books for years (including 52 and Batman Eternal) so I might read this down the line.

re: Joker: To be fair, that actually happened in the opening arc of Tony Daniel's Detective Comics, and then Joker went off the table for a while before reappearing in Death of the Family. I don't know how I feel about the face thing, it's one of the most grotesque things in modern DC, and that's saying something. But it is creepy as hell, and that's something that the Joker has embodied very often, and especially in the modern era. I loved Death of the Family, it was one of the best arcs in Snyder's generally excellent career on the Batman books.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 09, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
The only problem with the Joker is what to do with him now?  He disappear, he will be back, but how?  They guy face was cut off and now Joker's Daughter (silly name, cool character) is wearing it.  How are they going to bring all of these loose ends together?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 09, 2014, 06:42:16 PM
Kill her off (lame character that they are forcing more and more), and have Hush re-attach his face. Done :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 09, 2014, 07:47:05 PM
Instead of killing her off, I would make her the new Joker.  Joker's daughter is a stupid name.  Make her the Joker and let her run around and do crazy stuff and in a year bring back the real Joker and then we can have The Battle for the Smile (Joke or whatever).  It would be just like Battle for the Cowl
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on September 09, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Speaking of things that have nothing to do with facial mauling...

December's variant covers are all foldouts by Darwyn Cooke, and they are absolutely FANTASTIC.

Behold: http://comicsalliance.com/darwyn-cooke-dc-variants-december/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 09, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
Instead of killing her off, I would make her the new Joker.  Joker's daughter is a stupid name.  Make her the Joker and let her run around and do crazy stuff and in a year bring back the real Joker and then we can have The Battle for the Smile (Joke or whatever).  It would be just like Battle for the Cowl

Mhm-mhm. *nods with approval*

Speaking of things that have nothing to do with facial mauling...

December's variant covers are all foldouts by Darwyn Cooke, and they are absolutely FANTASTIC.

Behold: http://comicsalliance.com/darwyn-cooke-dc-variants-december/

I want so many of those. Geez, my wallet may dislike me that month.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 09, 2014, 11:50:58 PM
The covers are nice, but it seems like there's a new gimmick every month.  First the selfies, then the 3D Future End, then the LEGO and then the fold out...Sheesh!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: murs47 on September 10, 2014, 12:33:49 AM
The covers are nice, but it seems like there's a new gimmick every month.  First the selfies, then the 3D Future End, then the LEGO and then the fold out...Sheesh!

To be honest, the selfie one was clever, fresh, silly, and original. Ditto these Cooke ones. To me, that's worth shelling out the cash for. Opposed to the "(insert notable artist's name) drew it and we only printed 1 for every 100 copies" variant.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 10, 2014, 01:18:36 AM
Those covers are pretty snazzy! I like the Batman and Robin, Detective Comics, and GL Corps ones best.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on September 10, 2014, 06:58:00 AM
The He-Man Cover looks awesome!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on September 10, 2014, 04:22:30 PM
Holy crap. I just want an entire Darwyyn Cooke DC Universe. The new Frontier was amazing, but I need more, MORE!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 11, 2014, 02:53:04 AM
I think it's meant to have throw back shout out appeal. Duella Dent's old skool claim to fame was being know as " Joker's Daughter " then went through several personality changes before coming into her own. That may be what they're trying here? I like her personally but I'm hung up on Joker type characters. I liked her in the Catwoman series anyway, the story lined up. I'm partial to her in New Suicide Squad but the outline seems to cater to tossing several popular characters in one book, like many of the Bendis era Avengers books did rather than going for original. I liked the second tier characters in the previous book. Then again those unknowns were probably part of the reason it didn't catch on.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on September 11, 2014, 05:31:21 AM
I think it's meant to have throw back shout out appeal. Duella Dent's old skool claim to fame was being know as " Joker's Daughter " then went through several personality changes before coming into her own. That may be what they're trying here? I like her personally but I'm hung up on Joker type characters. I liked her in the Catwoman series anyway, the story lined up. I'm partial to her in New Suicide Squad but the outline seems to cater to tossing several popular characters in one book, like many of the Bendis era Avengers books did rather than going for original. I liked the second tier characters in the previous book. Then again those unknowns were probably part of the reason it didn't catch on.
Lol, preach it to the choir.
A lot of great books with B Listers, C Listers, and D Listers often get cancelled because no one buys em'
It's pretty ironic how everyone complains about having too many Batman and Spider-Man books yet these books always reach the Top Ten Highest Sellling every month.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 12, 2014, 08:54:48 AM
I can't finger the readership since it's just inherent. I do appreciate that the companies take the gambles anyways. Everyone has a limit to how much they can spend and read and their natural going to go first to the characters that brought them into the craft to begin with. How many of those first wave NOW! books vanished into the wind? Then again how many units of Red She-Hulk and Morbius where actually going to ship? On the other hand Superior Foes got an extension so sometimes the gamble pays off. But I digress they have a business to run and I get that. One of the Top Cow guys (Matt Hawkins) went pretty in depth on Facebook about this a week ago and how the bottom line was as a comic creator he had to sell the book to make the book and therefore do what sells the book as opposed to not. Nature of the beast even if it sucks to come to love something or at least care enough where the character goes from here only to see them swept under the rug. I've learned to practice some hesitation in deeply appreciating new books and characters though as a geek it's a little hard to fight the addiction at any rate.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on September 25, 2014, 03:32:15 AM
So I've seen some interesting DC news today relating to Futures End and future events...

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on September 26, 2014, 12:21:58 AM
So I've seen some interesting DC news today relating to Futures End and future events...

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I think that was confirmed with Multiversity - which everyone should read. It's amazing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 26, 2014, 03:36:06 AM
Ohh man!  I wish the insides of these books matched the outsides in terms of tone.  I would read almost ALL of those books!  Those covers are just plain beautiful!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 27, 2014, 01:10:54 AM
Hold on to your capes boys and girls and post what you think will happen next year

http://www.newsarama.com/22249-what-s-going-to-happen-to-the-dcu-in-2015-our-6-wildest-guesses.html

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on September 27, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
I'm assuming they are gonna have a crisis event next year which will end with minor tweaks to new 52. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 27, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
Yeah, and they'll leave a door open to tell 'elseworlds' tales set in the old 'verse.  If the old universe was in better shape when they left it, that might mean more to me.  This whole thing continues to break my heart because of the wasted potential of every step of the process.  Man, I'd kill to read stories about the type of comic universe that Cooke's covers suggest. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on September 27, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
 :mellow:(sigh)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 30, 2014, 07:09:19 PM
What is wrong with DC?  The new Lobo series comes out tomorrow and Both Lobos are going to be in it.  The New 52 Lobo is the real Lobo while the one we all grew up with and loved will be consider the fake Lobo aka Fobo.  Why DC Why??!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSO47c6Kegk&list=PLYq7H1T5SzMdNp_tv4TGt8CK_dPVEGquc
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 30, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
I dunno. At least they kept the original though. That and gave him the " too awesome for even a reboot to kill " feat. Else I don't understand what part is shocking here lest your not reading the comics (and in that case it shouldn't matter then you know?). The whole and only plot involving Lobo since the start and running has been that 1.) the original Lobo survived 2.) the New 52 version got wind of the originals existence and has been hunting him believing him to be an imposter trying to steal his street cred. The plot you described is the only one that actually makes sense to everything they showed so far.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 30, 2014, 09:51:38 PM
I don't like the new Lobo!!!....the fanboy in me came out.  It happen every now and then, excuse me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: spydermann93 on September 30, 2014, 10:15:23 PM
I don't like the new Lobo!!!....the fanboy in me came out.  It happen every now and then, excuse me.

I don't either :(

There's actually not much that I care for in the new52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 30, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
Hmmm. Alright your excused. Only because you are a fanboy which is a good thing and the new canon Lobo is sort of a lame 2d character, lol.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 01, 2014, 01:40:21 AM
I don't like the new Lobo!!!....the fanboy in me came out.  It happen every now and then, excuse me.

I don't either :(

There's actually not much that I care for in the new52.

Seconded. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 01, 2014, 02:26:03 AM
Blasphers! D.C. Almighty woot! woot!

Jk. All things considered it's understandable when the books are hard to latch onto. I can say I like a bit of the ones I'm reading currently. Mostly because I'm liking the Futures End bit though so that's a temporary situation. I like the GL books though not much has changed there tonally and I have a weakness for anything that resembles sci-fi opera. Batwoman is my mainstay. Batgirl is hit and miss, Birds Of Prey is steady. The Bat books are a mixed bag for me that drum up different emotional responses depending on the issue. I think Eternal is the best Bruce book right now. The JL books have yet to really captivate me with the exception of Dark. Constantine can be compelling. Love Pandora though I think that one ended on me. Larfleeze was my favorite book so far, complete aces that one. I was turned onto Earth 2 recently and am finding Worlds Finest to be solid. I've liked Supergirl since issue #1, Superboy is pretty good even with the character upset. I like the opening Superman books but I'm not really feeling the new creative team and the Doomed arc seemed like a contrived mess over all. Red Hood And The Outlaws has it's moments but is mostly over the top and I wouldn't miss it. Teen Titans did zilch for me in the last run and less now. I have no clue whats ever happening in Catwoman but I really like Alice's hat? Harley Quinn is a guilty pleasure just because I love Harley and gross out comics (I grew up on MAD, Cracked, Monster Party, Tales From The Crypt, House Of Secrets, Madballs and so on) and it has both. Grayson hasn't tripped my trigger yet but it's fresh so I won't grade it yet. I enjoyed the previous run on Suicide Squad, the new " superstar " edition falls in the same vein as Grayson though. Stormwatch was enjoyable but * looks around to see where it went " ? Phantom Stranger reads well but doesn't punch me in the face either. Flash is the Flash, nothing much to say past that. Multiversity is too new as well to say anything other than it's Morrison so it's as weird as I expected it to be. I think that's everything for me. At the end I think of anything currently ongoing the core Futures End series reads the best and makes me anticipate the next issue and care about it's characters the most.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on October 01, 2014, 02:36:38 AM
I have nothing against the new 52, Superman/ Wonder woman is one of my favorite titles.  I don't like what they did with Lobo.  None of the other pre new 52 (whew) characters shown up, but they bring back and then call him a fake?  I feel that just a slap in the face to all the other writers/ artist  out there that have worked on a Lobo book in the past.  Anyway, DC did do their job, because I will be picking up the first issue tomorrow just to see how exactly they going to present this to the readers. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 01, 2014, 01:48:57 PM
See it's that part that confused me. The plot is that New 52 Lobo " believes " the Ultimate Bastich is a fake/imposter. That's so far the entire plot for these two characters. Hence I wonder if a website misconstrued that to mean DC Comics thinks he's fake or is establishing it as true which as far as I've seen so far they haven't. Added I have a hard time believing they would because they went through the trouble to preserve him in the first place and second I chat with various folk in the industry and they love, and I mean REALLY get behind Lobo. I just don't believe wholeheartedly that what you read is actually the case.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on October 01, 2014, 04:20:01 PM
First few pages of Lobo   ***warning spoilers***

https://www.comixology.com/Lobo-2014-1/digital-comic/145566

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 02, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Right. See what I'm talking about there (I hadn't pointed it before but most of the plot I was referencing was shown in the current Supergirl series just to be on it). The New Lobo is the one claiming the old Lobo is fake. That doesn't state that the old one actually is an imposter but that the New Lobo " thinks " he is.

Also and I don't know it took this long to click but at least from the titles I read I can think of two pre-Flashpoint characters outside Lobo whom are present in DCnU: The Presence, whom makes mention of it briefly I think during Forever Evil: Blight, and Ambush Bug who in his last appearance before Flashpoint stated full knowledge of the upcoming reboot and all going-on's in the DC offices and now resides in a pocket reality we see in the end of most books (his news show). Not that it means much of anything (The moment with The Presence is plot important but it was a red herring on Pandora's story at this point) but it just came to mind. Or more rather " popped " in my mind given the character in question ;P .
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on October 02, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
Well, I picked it up and I gave it a fair shot.  The new Lobo is not bad, he's a bounty hunter, but more of a stealth like.  Like I said, he's not bad, but he's not for me.  Also from reading the issue, they make it seems like Lobo is more of a title than a name.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 03, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
I'm in the same boat so there's no argument there. I'm not into the dark cold as steel killer kind of characters. It does look good from the preview you linked and has gotten solid reviews so far. I'm checking it out as well on account of it being a new book, though the LCS visit for me is a week out yet.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on October 04, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Just something to read about the New 52

http://www.newsarama.com/22305-dc-s-top-10-new-52-continuity-switcheroos.html

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on October 06, 2014, 01:20:46 PM
[reads article]

[brain asplodes]

Okay, on a more serious note: this is the big problem I have with the nu52: the whole haphazardness of the rebooted continuity. 

If you're going to throw out decades of continuity and squash what's left into a 5 year period, shouldn't you at least have a good idea what happened in that 5 year period?  I mean, it's only 5 YEARS.  Instead, you have books contradicting each other from the get-go.  It's been 3 years, and they're STILL hashing it out.

I keep coming back to the spaghetti casserole analogy*: DC's entire continuity is like a spaghetti casserole, and the nu52 is like a scoop out of it.  It contains a lot of good stuff, but it's also got lots of dangling noodlely bits of disconnected continuity hanging off, it's less than the whole, and since it's once scoop, it's missing things like meatballs and Wally West.

* - I didn't say it was a GOOD analogy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on October 07, 2014, 02:41:37 AM
[reads article]

[brain asplodes]

Okay, on a more serious note: this is the big problem I have with the nu52: the whole haphazardness of the rebooted continuity. 

If you're going to throw out decades of continuity and squash what's left into a 5 year period, shouldn't you at least have a good idea what happened in that 5 year period?  I mean, it's only 5 YEARS.  Instead, you have books contradicting each other from the get-go.  It's been 3 years, and they're STILL hashing it out.

I keep coming back to the spaghetti casserole analogy*: DC's entire continuity is like a spaghetti casserole, and the nu52 is like a scoop out of it.  It contains a lot of good stuff, but it's also got lots of dangling noodlely bits of disconnected continuity hanging off, it's less than the whole, and since it's once scoop, it's missing things like meatballs and Wally West.

* - I didn't say it was a GOOD analogy.

That's actually a pretty great analogy for how I feel about the nu52.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on October 07, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
Yep, as I've said many times, this whole thing just kills me because of its wasted potential.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on October 08, 2014, 09:02:45 PM
No Benton, you're wrong; it's new, exciting, it's very cool and "with it", and it is a big improvement over all the previous versions of the characters, both art-wise and story wise.

And if you believe that, I've got some swampland you will be interested in...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on October 08, 2014, 10:44:53 PM
I'm just upset because DC owns the Milestone characters (Static, ICON & Rocket) and they don't use them.  It was great to see them in Young Justice TV show, but I think they are being wasted not showing up in the comics
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on October 13, 2014, 04:26:36 PM
Not exactly nu52 (okay, not at ALL nu 52), but...

Following on the heels of  Batman 66, it's Wonder Woman '77
http://comicsalliance.com/now-the-world-is-ready-for-you-dc-digital-announces-wonder-woman-77/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on October 15, 2014, 01:33:56 AM
I approve of these out of continuity books.  If they'd put out a Bronze Age JLA book, I'd buy that sucker twice over.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 15, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
My only big issue with the reboot was I felt the change over itself was wasted. If your going to end your entire universe do it with a bang and do everything you couldn't previously, like Top Cow did or how Heroes Reborn concluded. With DC it was more like " Your regularly scheduled program > Alternate universe break > Back to GO. " That was a huge opportunity wasted on their part IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on October 16, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
Ha, my issues with the reboot are too numerous to mention, but one that's been occurring to me lately is that I just about can't think of a single character that was substantively changed by the process who was actually improved.  I'm willing to say Ocean Master might be an exception, but every other character in the books I read that was substantially altered from their previous form is worse for it. 

Gorilla Grodd?  Gone from delightfully absurd, yet totally excellent urbane and brilliant villain to boring, one-note evil monkey.  I LOVE Grodd as a character, but it was his story arc in the new Flash book that finally led me to drop it.

Vulko?  Gone  from loyal, wise adviser and generally charming Aquaman supporting character to genocidal wack-job who they'll never be able to redeem, despite their continuing efforts.  Johns poisoned that well too well (ah!). 

The list goes on, and it makes me sad.  Like I said, I see nothing but wasted potential when I look at the New 52.  Bring back a good, Marvel Adventures-esq all-ages title with the iconic versions of the characters and I'll be back on board.  'Till then, it looks like it's the DCUG and Bronze Age comics for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on October 24, 2014, 07:47:22 PM
IMHO, the continuity just before the new 52 reboot was perfectly fine.  I can't understand this company and their constant re-tooling.  In the end, it will probably get them very few new readers and many of the old readers will leave them behind.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on October 26, 2014, 05:49:59 AM
Finally got around to reading some of the comics from last weeks pile. Dug out JLD#35. I'm pretty sweet on this book and like to what's up with Nightmare Nurse. I open to the first page and am pretty confused about what's going on. Did I zone out part of last issue? Nuh, there's an asterisk. Let's see:

" * see Justice League Dark Annual #2, on sale next week,  for all the details. "

Razzum frazzum!  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on November 03, 2014, 06:05:29 PM
Here we go again?

DC Comics Announces Its 2015 Event, ‘Convergence’ (http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-announces-its-2015-event-convergence-but-what-does-it-mean-for-the-dcu/)
Quote
Next April, DC launches Convergence, a nine-part event series that brings the publisher’s regular publishing schedule to a halt while bringing characters, places and concepts from DC’s past into its current universe. It’s also the culmination of the weekly series The New 52: Futures End and Earth 2: World’s End, both of which wrap up just before Convergence launches.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on November 03, 2014, 07:14:28 PM
They are moving their offices so they aren't able to work like they normally do. So they had to come up with filler event before they get back to business as usual. Otherwise we'd be left without any comics for 2 months. This might be a good opportunity for them to iron out some of the hiccups with new 52.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on November 12, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
More details about "Convergence":

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/11/12/how-convergence-is-a-love-letter-from-dc-comics-to-its-fans-with-gail-simones-nightwingoracle-and-more/

I believe this will be a great goodbye party for all the Pre N52 characters. DC will give a last hurrah for the older versions and give the older fans some "gifts" (Donna Troy, Wally West as The Flash, married (with children) Superman and Lois and so on).
I don't think the New 52 will going anywhere (the new line is the love child of DC big guys like Didio and Jim Lee, so they won't let any one touch their children). We'll see the old versions fight one last time before they "disappear" or return to a "reality beyond reality" or something like this.
I just hope they won't gave us another "Infinite Crisis"- "Hey let's get back some older characters just to show them as villains and kill them?". I don't think they'll do this, but DC is always surprising me in very bad way...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on November 15, 2014, 01:05:26 AM
I'm having a hard time feeling in any way about the announce. For me (this applies to Marvel as well) it's boiled down to that I could care less for what theme or change is blowing in the wind, or gimmick if you please, rather just solid stories that invoke something-anything in me when I read them. I want an experience, everything else is just additive. That said I hope it's a good story. As I've said a few times here I'm pretty taken by Future's End and even Batman Eternal for that matter despite not biting on the pitch and premise of those series simply because the stories and character defining moments are substantial. I guess we'll see then.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 20, 2014, 12:36:34 PM
Anyone else pick up Multiversity: Pax Americana?

I really wish some of these were monthlies. I'm really surprised I've been such a huge fan of each and every issue.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bearded on November 25, 2014, 01:14:23 PM
More details about "Convergence":

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/11/12/how-convergence-is-a-love-letter-from-dc-comics-to-its-fans-with-gail-simones-nightwingoracle-and-more/

I believe this will be a great goodbye party for all the Pre N52 characters. DC will give a last hurrah for the older versions and give the older fans some "gifts" (Donna Troy, Wally West as The Flash, married (with children) Superman and Lois and so on).
I don't think the New 52 will going anywhere (the new line is the love child of DC big guys like Didio and Jim Lee, so they won't let any one touch their children). We'll see the old versions fight one last time before they "disappear" or return to a "reality beyond reality" or something like this.
I just hope they won't gave us another "Infinite Crisis"- "Hey let's get back some older characters just to show them as villains and kill them?". I don't think they'll do this, but DC is always surprising me in very bad way...
DC did this with all star squadron in '81,sort of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Star_Squadron
It is interesting and a good read. It lasted for years. I hope enough people buy this Pre N52 that it lasts a long time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on November 29, 2014, 01:59:34 AM
One out of left field and I'm not sure how many people read the series but I'm impressed by the tonal and status quo shift in Catwoman feeling the series is better for it and and Selina as well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on December 14, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
DC cover variants are a little out of hand, but so far this is the best:

http://www.newsarama.com/22980-all-of-dc-s-march-2014-movie-poster-variants.html

You guys would like these
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on December 16, 2014, 01:31:13 AM
More books are coming to an end next year.  Hopefully, some of them will be rebooted

https://games.yahoo.com/news/sixteen-dc-comics-titles-ending-224700788.html

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 26, 2014, 03:43:23 AM
Ok, I know I'm a little late to the party, especially since I don't remember when the last time was that I actually picked up a new Comic Book, but I just got the "Forever Evil" Hardcover, and I was really excited because I love the CSA.

And then I started to read it, and in the process, I started to feel a bit lost. Was there something I should have read prior to reading this? I just felt like I missed something important to the story, and I have no clue where to look.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on December 26, 2014, 05:41:47 AM
Depends which part you feel you missed. This was one of those line wide events so it continued off from everything. So the whole New 52 basically and depending on which character. Pandora's bit, the Pandora's box and such has been ongoing since the start of the New 52. Pandora's own series preludes much of what happens in F.E. Suicide Squad's F.E. bits and Amanda Waller come right off that series as well as one of the Superman books (I was only reading Superboy and Supergirl before F.E. so I wouldn't know where), the Flash and Gotham bit's from their books of course, Constantine, Phantom Stranger from theirs and Justice League Dark (Zee from JLD and another JL book). I don't remember much being directly foreshadowed about the CSA though unless it was in a series I wasn't reading. I think they presumed readers new these peeps and got to their new backstories throughout F.E.

I don't know what the HC includes. Trinity War was directly before F.E. and sets up everything. If that wasn't included (it has it's own HC so I assume no) then you'd be sort of amiss. You'd def want to read that at least.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 26, 2014, 08:35:24 PM
Trinity War was directly before F.E. and sets up everything. If that wasn't included (it has it's own HC so I assume no) then you'd be sort of amiss. You'd def want to read that at least.

Maybe I'll try to check that one out. When I picked up the "Forever Evil" HC, I was hoping for a pretty self-contained storyline, I guess I should have known better.  :doh:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on December 26, 2014, 09:43:50 PM
That was it then? Yeah that would make sense then. Trinity War is pretty much Chapter 1 of Forever Evil. DC really should have made that into a combined HC then.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on December 27, 2014, 11:18:50 PM
Yeah Trinity War is definitely chapter 1 of Forever Evil. Without it you'll feel like you missed something.
Title: a slap across the face
Post by: bdrake on January 01, 2015, 01:28:48 AM
I'm 44 yrs old and have been reading comics  36 of those and the dc reboot is a slap across the face to me. My allowence helped dc get where it is now( ok maybe a tiny bit at least) but to discard  years upon years of character development and plot? I'd have rather they taken a from day 1 stance. introduce the entire dc universe  from the ground up.  yes it may have taken a year or two to  firmly put it together but with the present, they may exist , they may have been a team before, absent characters  etc . i've lost my interest in most of it. on a sidenote ,earth 2? really im shocked theres a plant left to defend since every issue  has 1000's of people dying or countries being destroyed
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on January 03, 2015, 03:10:25 PM
A collateral effect of DC changes, in comics and real life:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/02/and-finally-the-history-of-the-dc-universe-as-was/

This part made me sad:
"It’s gone now, replace by a New 52 panel instead, which will be making the move to Burbank. "

But it was a great to see works of artists like Jack Kirby, Curt Swan, Joe Kubert, Gil Kane, Mart Nodell and others in the original piece.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on January 28, 2015, 10:34:08 PM
Speaking of a lot of things to make skins for just read The Multiversity Guidebook. I think between DC and Marvel upcoming events we may want to consider wrangling in modders from other game series lest we become overwhelmed.  :o
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on January 31, 2015, 02:39:30 AM
Has anybody read Batman #38?  If not, go read it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on January 31, 2015, 09:53:45 AM
Yep, I did, good stuff. Won't spoil anything ^_^
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: John Jr. on January 31, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
There are some very interesting things on the Multiversity Guidebook:
- New versions of some Pre Crisis worlds, like Earths 4, X and S.
- Some "Elseworlds" got their own Earth, like Kingdom Come, Generations, Red Son, Tangent...
- Versions of classic teams like the the Golden Age JSA and the Silver Age Legion do exist in DC's N52 Multiverse (both on the Generations inspired "Earth 38").
- There are some "Unknown" realities.
- The "Earth 1" books got their own Earth, called "Earth 1", of course.
- Some of the alternate characters scheduled to appear on "Convergence", like the Tangent guys, exist on the current Multiverse, others, like Pre-Crisis Superman and Supergirl are from parts of the "Old Multiverses". Looks like Multiversity will influence Convergence in some way.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 01, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
I out of the flow a little so 2 quick questions:
-Whats Hawkmans origin story now?
-Did Lincoln March/Owlman appear ever again after Nite of the owl?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on February 01, 2015, 03:55:22 PM
-Did Lincoln March/Owlman appear ever again after Nite of the owl?

No but
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 01, 2015, 05:43:21 PM
Another thing I planed on checking out.So,there is still the question of Hawkmans origin now? :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on February 01, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
Here is the dirt on Batman #38.  Contain spoilers so read at your own risk.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=114664 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=114664)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on February 02, 2015, 12:05:50 PM
Here is the dirt on Batman #38.  Contain spoilers so read at your own risk.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=114664 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=114664)

Important thing to keep in mind though
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 06, 2015, 07:46:56 PM
Well, DC is shaking up their publishing line-up a bit after Convergence.  The list of new titles is here:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/06/dc-comics-is-ending-the-new-52

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that there isn't a single book on the list that catches my interest.  It's interesting that Prez is in the mix.  They're clearly TRYING to expand their line-up a bit.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on February 06, 2015, 08:59:11 PM
Update:

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/02/06/new-books-new-creative-teams-the-complete-list-of-new-and-continuing-dc-comics#3

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on February 06, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
Ya letting writers tell the story without wrist slapping is something they should have done from the start of the new 52 but you know, better late than never. I like Starfire's new costume. Gleason on writing duties for Damian's book is a bit worrying, won't judge before I read but he has no experience.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on February 07, 2015, 06:13:20 PM
DC's new line of titles is interesting. I like the approach, a lot more diversity of tone and characters as well as a stronger focus on story (probably means less meddling and standalone books), but there isn't anything that's got me excited just yet. I am very curious about We Are Robin though.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on February 07, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
There's an awful lot of Batman and Batman-related books in that list.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 07, 2015, 11:48:37 PM
I have zero interest in anything to do with Damian Wayne, but I have to say that the Bat/Yeti thing on that one cover is really cool looking. 

I'd kill for a DCAU or even YJ style, out-of-continuity book with some of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on February 08, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
Black Canary seems interesting.  I wondering if they are going to do it like Marvel's Hawkeye comic.  Starfire looks like another Batgirl, which could be a good thing.  Harley Quinn/ Power Girl is going to be a buddy cop series.  If you read the last couple of issues of Harley, you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 08, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
Ohh, and I agree, I like the new Starfire costume.   I'm wondering if DC is finally trying to capitalize on all the love of that character that was generated by Teen Titans...only a half decade late.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on February 09, 2015, 08:28:12 AM
Same boat here as with Marvel
- I was just getting my pull list in good shape
- Trying to figure out how many issues to go for in the side-out event (Convergence here, SW there), tough call since these are immediate series
- Not even sure where my list ends up after the event and during the line wide organization (Marvel's obviously more pitch but then again that date is further out).

The pro this time as opposed to Flashpoint>New52 is most of my top DC titles are staying intact, so mostly I'm in the position of having my standard reads and then being able to pick and choose desert dishes. Makes me happy. Now if I can get so lucky with Marvel after SW.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 09, 2015, 11:43:30 PM
So, I've been looking over the Convergence books, and here are my thoughts:
(Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/02/dcs-convergence-event-brings-back-the-old-dc-universe )

Why, oh WHY are we not getting a Satellite era JLA book?  I would by that in a hot second!  I'm pretty sure that's not a rare opinion, either.

Ohh hooray, tons of versions of characters I couldn't care less about or actively despise (Paralax-Hal, Hook-handed Aquaman, Az-Batman, and more).

JLA Detroit: Are they serious?

Larry Hama on writing chores actually has me considering buying a Wonder Woman book, despite not having a particular interest in the character.

Earth 2 Robin and Huntress?  Awesome!  I'm going to pick this one up eventually.  I would happily read an entire series set in that Pre-Crisis Earth.

Speaking of which, classic JSA?  Cool!

Ray Palmer AND Ryan Choi?  Color me curious, DC.

Classic, space cop Hawkman and Hawkwoman written by Jeff Parker?  Ohh man, TAKE MY MONEY!  If only this would spawn an ongoing, I'd be delirious with joy.  I would KILL for DC to start an anthology book set during their Bronze Age.  I'd buy a book like that ten times over.

All in all, there is more here of worth than I expected, but also a bunch of odd choices.  Is anyone really clamoring for a return to JLA Detroit?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on February 10, 2015, 08:09:20 AM
I seriously gave it hard thought as I said I'm trying to lock in what I actually will purchase, and I can't get excited about Detroit. Noted though it seems to feature some fan favorites so it probably appeals to someone. That's the source of any apprehension I have really, which is were being sold nostalgia but not quite since these are not actually works time traveled her from the past but rather nods to the past from the present. I worry, as I'm pretty carefree more so for others that these books may end up not appealing to their inner child once read through then the selling point may insist. Only time (punny bunny) will tell I guess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: jevian2000 on February 10, 2015, 03:12:10 PM

DCs new line has me intrigued too. I'm curious as to how Earth 2 :Society relates to either version of Earth-2. I like the idea of out of the box comics like Bizarro and Prez-its ideas that will expand the audience reach even further. I hope Dc's new approach works.

jeff
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 24, 2015, 06:04:17 AM
Im reading New 52 version of Stormwatch,and I actually liked it.There is just one thing that doesnt seem right.SW is so powerfull that it can easly manipulate Justice League and Green Lanterns.Whats with that?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on February 24, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
Well, you know of course that ANY Image  character could kick ANY other character from any other company's butt.

(See previous comment about having swampland available for sale)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 25, 2015, 06:34:24 AM
That isnt exactly correct.Captain Atom:Armaggedon show that ENTIRE Wildstorm universe isnt even a threat for Cap.Seriously he backhands Apollo.
I was thinking more how they manipulate the media and social networks to hide from JL(?).Like Superman needs to check Twitter for monster attacks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on February 27, 2015, 09:32:03 PM
... what was it, the Godzilla Warning/Monitoring system?...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 28, 2015, 06:15:39 AM
^I always imagined something like that XD.
But come on,the Moon comes alive and nobody notices it?
SW fights Etrigan in London.Several members of JL Dark are shown going like: What was that...meh...probably nothing.
Just...idk...implementing SW into DCU wasnt handled that great.
Or,if Stormwatch fights alien,they sure missed a lott of them,like Darkseid,or very ironicly Helspont.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: jevian2000 on March 17, 2015, 10:28:39 AM

I'm curious as to what folks here think of the big 3 costume changes come June.

Superman: http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/supestshirt.jpg  seems to be the return to the Morrison Action comics shirt and pants sans cape look. Also invokes Connor's look as well.

Wonder Woman: http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/wondie.jpg Nice new costume, mores towards the new movie one but more colorful.

Batman: http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/supesbatbot.jpg Full on Mecha it seems.

I'm not a fan of the Superman or Batman ones. I'm not sure why Batman would need to be running around in a full robot like armor. But I do like Wonder Woman's costume change.

jeff
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 17, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Batman has this armor suit due to something that happens at the end of "Endgame". We won't know until issue 40 hits in April. It is implied that it's not even Bruce in the suit. I think it could be Gordon due to red and blue lights. This cover implies ties to the police as well:
(http://i.imgur.com/HiIq3Ll.jpg?1)

Don't like either of the 3 tbh. They still have their standard new 52 suits in the JL book. DC did say post convergence will have"looser continuity" cause they don't want editorial to interfere with writters' visions anymore, but JL is still canon so it might happen after all the upcoming stories that feature new suits.
Snyder also said that "all new Batman" story will last until issue 50 or 52, and that things that you shake up too much have to go back to normal eventually.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on March 17, 2015, 05:17:41 PM
If Wonder Woman didn't have the super 90s wrist-blades, I'd like it.  Robo-batman is fine for a temporary thing, but Superman without a cape is blasphemy.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 17, 2015, 05:23:31 PM
The mecha is cool,but it just isnt Batman,if you get me?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on March 17, 2015, 05:48:51 PM
Just think what might happen in the Batman/ Superman comic.  It should be interesting, but it won't last long
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 17, 2015, 07:28:49 PM
The mecha is cool,but it just isnt Batman,if you get me?

Oh totally. It's so off model that I don't see it lasting very long. But it's also one of those things like Doc Ock Spidey that is so crazy that I'm interested in seeing what are they gonna do with it. And like Superior Spider-Man it can't last very long (Snyder himself said so), so if the story is good, just gonna enjoy the ride myself.

Another look:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAT-vSBWcAAl9ih.jpg)

If it's Gordon, that would be a really interesting take. There's also a slim chance it might be Jason Bard following Batman eternal but I hope for the former.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on March 17, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
It's a cop in that armor because if you look under the arm there's GCPD written under it.  It might be Bard, trying to redeem himself for what he did in Batman eternal
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on March 18, 2015, 03:51:57 AM
Jason Bard.  Ha.  Interesting.  Ohh, Jey's post implies something bad about the character that I almost certainly don't want to know.  Yay.  Well, nothing to see here, I suppose.  Carry on DC, you're clearly not interested in me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Podmark on March 18, 2015, 04:23:24 AM
I'm curious what the story behind Supes new look will be. I can't see him just dressing like that under normal circumstances. My opinion on the costume is dependent on the why of it.

Wonder Woman I'm mixed on. In general I think it's alright, but the arm blades don't work for me - they drag the whole thing down.

This new Batman I'm very interested in. I think Synder has a wild story direction in store. I doubt it's Bruce and a police angle seems likely.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on March 18, 2015, 08:17:14 AM
The symbol design is a little different but the Superman is design is pretty close to what he's wearing in Future's End.

I'm real indifferent to the mecha Batman. It's not as over the top as the mecha Bane currently running around, but it's as out of left field. I'd take Gordan over Bard. They had Bard screw up too big for me to take him seriously as a protagonist.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 18, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
I'm curious what the story behind Supes new look will be. I can't see him just dressing like that under normal circumstances. My opinion on the costume is dependent on the why of it.

Maybe it has something to do with the use of his "solar flare" power? But this time he is powerless for an extended period of time, not just 24hrs?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on March 21, 2015, 08:48:11 AM
From what I've read, Superman is going to stop being Clark Kent, getting rid of a secret identity entirely. Guess wearing street clothes makes more sense than being in a costume all the time. Aesthetically, I wish they'd made his sneakers red and yellow. The only thing I like about it at all is the logo, and the haircut doesn't work. However, its definitely an improvement over his current costume and the armor before it.

I cannot properly express my opinion on Mecha-Batman, however, because this is a family friendly forum. :)

Wonder Woman's new costume is going to be a pain for artists to draw.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 22, 2015, 06:15:49 AM
I finaly started Batman Eternal,then I just had to skip ahead and see whos the mastermind behind everything.
...It was tottaly underwhelming,pls lett it be false.ANYONE,but just not that guy...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 28, 2015, 01:45:11 PM
It wasnt
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
behind it all.
The real mastermind behind Batman Eternal is actually
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
YES,thank you DC.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: jevian2000 on March 29, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
It wasnt
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behind it all.
The real mastermind behind Batman Eternal is actually
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
YES,thank you DC.  :thumbup:

I liked both reveals.

I figured that
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
couldn't be the true big bad-the series had still more time to go. But it was nice to use a more D-list villain that way.

Having
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
though works better, as it ties back to
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
.

Thanks Dc, and thanks to Scott Snyder.

jeff
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2015, 10:05:13 AM
Almost every Batman villain appears,from Bane to Signalman.
And there is still one issue so a lott of things can happen.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 29, 2015, 10:39:46 AM
I like that
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
was the one who came up with the whole, let's set up Gordon and invite all the big guns to town. Whether
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
was invited as well or he was with
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
from the beginning, we'll see on wednesday. Figured that he would appear, since he was hinted at many times.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2015, 10:48:21 AM
Spoiler mentions
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That is also left to be sorted out.
BTW introducing Spoiler and Bluebird was handled extremly well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 29, 2015, 11:21:11 AM
Spoiler mentions
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That is also left to be sorted out.
BTW introducing Spoiler and Bluebird was handled extremly well.

There is that as well. Maybe
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2015, 12:14:09 PM
Thats kinda what I thought,but it still doesnt seem like the best explanation.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 01, 2015, 10:44:41 AM
And Batman Eternal ends.Now waiting for "season" 2.
Final issue wasnt mindblowing as the previous two.Biggest reveal is that
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
is still out there.And that Corrigan will get his own spinoff.
And now the Convergance starts.  :mellow:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 01, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Well
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 09, 2015, 03:30:27 AM
I read Convergance (1st) and Convergance Superman tonight. I read all the prologue stuff so far (Future's End, Earth 2, Multiversity). Wasn't that thrilled with it to be honest. It's real shlocky and despite having some set up it has about as much as Flashpoint/New52 did and reads real out of the blue. The Superman issue did read well enough though but again it's a pretty scrambled tail and hard to get invested in.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 09, 2015, 05:27:54 AM
Iv read 00 and 01 of Convergance.Its basicly DCs version of Warworld(thats probably intentional).
New take on Brainiac is interesting,but the story is sort of bland.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 10, 2015, 05:11:39 AM
Early to call it but it's not terrible or something it just reads like " this is happening " (Realities just up and fighting other realities cause') and I'm supposed to use a full suspension of disbelief towards it. As well I'm burnt on both Brainiac and " Earth 2 is ending " after reading about both for so long, or at least for so many issues. I grabbed the Harley Quinn one in addition to the other two but only because Harley and Sirens throw back going on. I may get the Question one but I'm just not compelled by this. More compelled as I am with Secret Wars to use the time to take a break and read less imo.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 10, 2015, 05:37:12 AM
Im probably not gonna read the tie-ins(Im not so sure about the mini-series itself,either),but maybe revisiting 2-3 good Elseworld stories isnt that bad.
And a soft-reboot could be a good thing,or it could be bad.We will see,I guess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 14, 2015, 02:52:02 PM
So post Endgame Batman identity has been leaked. And even though I usually avoid these things, I just couldn't help myself.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 14, 2015, 04:58:54 PM
So post Endgame Batman identity has been leaked. And even though I usually avoid these things, I just couldn't help myself.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Predictable,but I can live with that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 16, 2015, 05:04:06 AM
Convergence is going nicely.It brings in everyone,from hook-hand Aquamen to Azrael and Donna Troy and many,many more.
I hope some of them will stick around after this is over.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 17, 2015, 07:29:57 PM
I wish the feeling was mutual. I don't like being interrupted suddenly and that's happened across the board and just when I was warming up the New 52 characters. Some of the books are amusing reads and it's nice to see characters from my yesterday depicted however it's hard for me to get past just hokey it is. I mean " life in the dome one year later "? Okay, too bad I didn't read any of that. And the man in the sky comes along and says everybody will compete in Mortal Kombat and they just do? Here's some other heroes like yourself, now kill each other. That's pretty hard to digest that any hero would just be going along with this. I like comics so not a total loss but my interest really isn't piqued either here.

The Batman thing. I dunno. I'm not as fond of Snyder's stuff as most to begin with. With this I guess it's a wait and see thing. If it turns out being a good read then I'm for it, else it doesn't matter to me what the cliche itself is. Sort of like Superior Spider-man was I guess. Whether it was Octo or Peter or anyone else the only thing matters to me is if the story is good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 18, 2015, 05:18:36 AM
Well,the premise is a little dumb.And it obviously took aroung 2 minutes to come up with it.Everyone losing powers is just Act of God unbelivable.
But its nice seeing some past characters.Thats the primary reason why Im reading this.And Divergance looks promising.I dont think you can go wrong with ending the New 52. XD
Convergance Titans #1 is named Try for Justice.Meta humor?
And also,I liked the 2 father-son moments this week.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 18, 2015, 06:57:22 AM
And Divergance looks promising.I dont think you can go wrong with ending the New 52. XD

Technically they are only ending the label "new 52". Post convergence stories are still set in "new 52" continuity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 18, 2015, 10:09:06 AM
That what I meant.The New 52 initiative is over,but the continuity  stays.With some slight changes.Like Starfire being more like her animated portrayal,for example.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 22, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
And the highpoint of this weeks Convergence is the return of Nightwings disco costume.Yeah,it was pretty boring.Swamp thing was okay,I guess?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 24, 2015, 05:04:36 PM
I'm liking the main Convergence series a little more as of issue #3. The characterization and story structure are tightening up a bit as well the plot is a little more intriguing. Plus I liked the Earth 2 stuff and this is continuation of that of course. Still feel in the wind as to what happened with all the Multiversity stuff though I'm sure they'll come around to that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 25, 2015, 08:37:36 AM
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/04/24/superstar-writerartist-frank-miller-returns-to-batman (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/04/24/superstar-writerartist-frank-miller-returns-to-batman)

Frank Miller returns to write the final instalment in the trilogy started by Dark Knight Returns...and continued with DK Strikes again.
Oh...boy...   :blink:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: spydermann93 on April 25, 2015, 03:23:32 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/thepinkperil/BatmanNOOO.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 25, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I quite enjoyed DKR. DSA was really bad IMO, was really hard to look at as well. So not sure what to think of this. Need to hear more.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 25, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I quite enjoyed DKR. DSA was really bad IMO, was really hard to look at as well. So not sure what to think of this. Need to hear more.

DKR is good,and one of the most influential comics of all times.DSA on the other hand... is not.There are also some other Millers works on Batman,that I dont even want to .   :wacko:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 25, 2015, 05:02:22 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I quite enjoyed DKR. DSA was really bad IMO, was really hard to look at as well. So not sure what to think of this. Need to hear more.

DKR is good,and one of the most influential comics of all times.DSA on the other hand... is not.There are also some other Millers works on Batman,that I dont even want to .   :wacko:

Ya "all star batman and robin" I wasn't really a fan of. Year one on the other hand was great IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 25, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
Yes,thats the one.Where Crazy Steve thinks hes The god**mn Batman. XD
Somebody was gonna say it,might as well be me. XD
But Jim Lees artwork was great,as always.
Fun Trivia: The book is finished,but DC refuses to print it.Yes,they drew the line there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 26, 2015, 05:23:38 AM
Recently,I finished Red Hood and the Outlaws.It starts pretty badly,but it evolves to just barely okay.Roys portrayal and the action were pretty good,but everything else is just kinda...meh.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on April 27, 2015, 06:29:07 PM
I read it all and agree, I mean about Roy being the interesting part of the book. Red Hood is a cliche at best, mostly an " American ninja " and his personality and mind are all over the place so it's hard for them to flesh him out in a way that matters. Starfire is 2-dimensional. The Data to Star Trek but without the challenges and character development. Maybe better that she's getting a revamp though personally I loathe Bab's revamp (I got a good Catwoman revamp out of the deal though which was needed) so we'll see. I'll give the series it has really nice artwork in addition to this. The Earth based plots are better than the space opera plots imo as well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on April 29, 2015, 02:41:37 PM
So, Batman #40
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I really want to see where are they going with all of this. I don't mind other folks taking up the mantle. I enjoyed Bucky Cap, Dickbats and Spider-ock. This time around though Snyder told us when things are back to normal ( Bruce coming back), happens in issue #50 http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/c2e2-live-scott-snyder-talks-batman-endgame-gordon-american-vampire . So might as well enjoy the ride :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 29, 2015, 05:48:22 PM
Im probably the only one still following this,but this weeks Convergence was actually okay.Plot is developing.
After this we are in for some weird stuff(in a good way?).3 miniseries that sound interesting IMO:
Batmite
Prez,about a teenage president of the US
Section Eight,the guys from Garth Ennises Hitman.Yup,Dogwelder and the rest.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on April 29, 2015, 10:18:29 PM
I remember Prez...

Ssslllooowly I turn... Step by step... inch by inch... UNTIL...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 01, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
(http://mancave.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/arsenal-takes-his-shot-in-convergence-the-titans-2/)

Preview for Convergence Titans #2 spoils it all.But its really touching  ^_^
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 03, 2015, 10:18:23 AM
Divergence was okay.New Batman suits up and there is some set up for Darkseid/Anti-Monitor war.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on May 03, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Ya new Batman arc is gonna be interesting. Sensing a Robocop vibe from those eight pages. It's gonna last almost a year so it better be good lol. But in Snyder I trust and this really seems too crazy to miss out on.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 04, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
Ya new Batman arc is gonna be interesting. Sensing a Robocop vibe from those eight pages. It's gonna last almost a year so it better be good lol. But in Snyder I trust and this really seems too crazy to miss out on.

My thoughts exactly.I hope he getts some unique enemies,something like his dedicated rogue gallery.  :thumbup:
BTW are we still keeping the name of new Batman as spoiler since its now officialy reveled?

http://insidepulse.com/2015/05/04/demythify-dc-comics-june-2015-post-convergence-8-page-sneak-peeks-back-up-stories-revealed-for-all-of-may-2015-convergence-titles/ (http://insidepulse.com/2015/05/04/demythify-dc-comics-june-2015-post-convergence-8-page-sneak-peeks-back-up-stories-revealed-for-all-of-may-2015-convergence-titles/)

Backup stories in this weeks Convergence seem interesting.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 07, 2015, 02:38:53 PM
Weddings,childbirths,this weeks Convergence has it all.Plot twist was a bit obvious,but okay.
Since I didnt read Warlord or anything Earth-2 related,I feel tottaly confused at this point.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 15, 2015, 06:21:11 PM
Well,Convergence is consistently disappointing.Week 7 was just so boring.Heroes fight for a bit,then decide to work together against their captor;IN EVERY SINGLE ISSUE!Are they ever trying to come up with a plot?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 18, 2015, 03:44:03 AM
Multiversity was the better read so far imo. Though I'm giving Convergence a little slack as after all it is filler. And I mean DC is in the middle of something and this whole event is filler until they get their ducks in a row. That and it started convoluted anyways. Though I feel you, I was expecting to be wow'd or intrigued at a point but this is just flat 80's Saturday Morning cartoon stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 18, 2015, 04:12:23 AM
Yeah,they are moving or something similar.Im not sure if this is official or a joke,or something,but the next event will be Existential Crisis.It will be about multiple versions of characters merging into one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 18, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
I think it's snark just due to the fact there was no sneak peak for something like that. Something involving Darkseid and Anti-Monitor looks to be what they're working towards next. Asides that didn't work very well for Image, one of the companies lowest points sad to say (Altered Image).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 18, 2015, 03:45:02 PM
That was my first thought,but there were weirder ideas for something Crisis.
In a weird bout of Wildstorm nostalgia I picked up Grifter,the new 52 volume.And I have very mixed feelings about it....
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 20, 2015, 03:05:54 AM
I didn't make it through N52 Grifter to be honest. Dropped Voodoo as well despite the acclaim surrounding that series. Basically like most I sampled most of the books when they first came out and those were two that just didn't stick and make the cut with me. Again here I'll cut them some slack though. Trying to find a way to work those characters into the DC world must have posed somewhat of a challenge. In fact as time has passed after the New 52 and prior to even I can see where this may have been a long time difficulty with DC, working the Wildstorm characters and backgrounds into the DCU at large that is. Most of their dynamics clash a bit with the traditional DC ones and the other way around. I guess we'll see how Midnighter comes out though that one has a pretty big legacy to live up to.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 20, 2015, 03:52:23 AM
Thats basicly my problem with it as well,similar like the Stormwatch.It just stands out in the DCU,it doesnt fit very well with everything else.But the book has okay action scenes,and the dynamic between Grifter and Deathblow is good and makes for a few funny moments.Seeing it was streched across 4/5 different titles I pretty much lost track of what was actually Helsponts agenda.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 20, 2015, 05:45:23 AM
It's irony really. I'm sure I wasn't alone but I couldn't wait for them to incorporate WS, now I almost think it would have been better in it's own verse. Even more though this may be I thought Wildstorm really complimented Marvel when they merged in that Heroes Reborn event (the 13th issues, it was called WWIII I think?). Stormwatch is a good example. I think the book read well enough itself. Manhunter is a great character. But when they were mixed it felt really glaring. I think the writer may have been on the same kick when they pushed him out     and took the stories in their own direction, at least until Trinity of course.

Can't see the future of course but this may all be up in the air anyways. Everything coming up after Convergence looks like sort of a fresh start anyways so maybe it will be more cohesive this time around. All in all I won't say I was disappointed in the first phase of New 52. Like anyone maybe the drastic upheaval and shift when it first changed over but really it's all been digestible. I even got some books I was really taken by and some remodels I enjoyed more than the previous ones (current Catwoman run for me in that vein).

My big nitpick to date was getting tossed a red herring regarding Pandora during Trinity and in Blight and never really seeing a concrete resolve to whatever was happening at the end of Flashpoint and what she was doing right there and then. Also and not a point of contention but just thinking about it, what happened to the note? I mean the note Bruce got from the Flashpoint Batman? All their memories faded quickly but before then the Flash gave him the note during New 52. So he would have a reminder or mystery at least. I thought it was meant to be something with the emphasis they put it on. More to the point that they really didn't cover the whole change over and background behind the New 52 Universe, rather they said they were going to, skipped that and went off on a tangent to this Convergence. It seems like the story structure should have been more streamlined especially given that was a stated reason for the reboot in the first place? Oh well, again it seems we're off to New 52 2.0 soon so these will just be afterthoughts.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 22, 2015, 05:12:34 AM
Out of the whole weird mess in this weeks Convergence,Swamp Thing #2 stands out as a pretty good comic.
DC is really going weird,in a good way, next month.General idea is that that DCYou has something for  everybody.EVERY title is getting some sort of retool.Things im gonna be on the lookout for:
Batman #41
Hellblazer #1
Section 8 by Garth Ennis
Wonder Woman #41
Prez and Batmite also seem interesting.And there the whole Darkseid war...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on May 22, 2015, 12:46:27 PM
What the what?!!

http://www.internationalfantasyalliance.com/latest-news/201/batman-becomes-a-god-in-august

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on May 22, 2015, 05:57:47 PM
lol it's probably only for one arc at most, did see it in JL preview. Hard to tell these days since that book and JLA are not happening at the same time as the other books. Which is not a bad thing, since it can mess up the stories. We'll wait and see what comes out of this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 22, 2015, 07:29:27 PM
What do they mean " becomes "? I thought he already was a God?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 25, 2015, 06:23:58 PM
So...I was thinking of starting with Geoff Johns Green Lantern run.Can anyone help me with the reading order?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 26, 2015, 07:11:55 PM
Most of the reading order lists are pretty much on point. Your call whether to pick up anything the user says " Isn't need but I like it " and such.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 27, 2015, 10:03:27 AM
Most of them dont aggre on everything.
And Convergence is over.The Reset button is presed.Thats all.Convergence didnt actually happen.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on May 28, 2015, 05:17:34 PM
Mister Miracle is getting a redesign:

http://www.newsarama.com/24667-justice-league-artist-reveals-new-mister-miracle-design.html?utm_content=buffer63a0e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

While it's nice, I don't understand why everything has to have that armor look nowadays.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2015, 05:24:19 PM
Well,if you read any of the previews for the Divergence,you will notice than EVERYONE is getting a new look.Some changes are bigger then others.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on May 29, 2015, 06:20:19 AM
I think they're trying to hook Hollywood. I don't remember the term but I read something by Bendis once and he laid out how the studios were backlogging comics and combing for any idea than think will translate to film. He then explained how many modern designs are tapered closer to something that could work on film as well as whats in. In this case Iron Man, Batman (Bale plated costume) and Transformers in that case. I don't see what the problem is myself. It's likely the design was chosen because they thought the film studios might notice the character and consider him for a live action venture. Comic artists break decent bread depending on how many pots and pans they've scrubbed but a Warner Bros. royalty check is the kind of thing that sends ones kids to college. I'd go for it if I were in their shoes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on May 29, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Ya I don't mind MM's look. He is recognizable and modernized. As for the new divergence costumes, Batman Superman, WW (not sure about this though only know bits and tibids) and GL are for story reasons and I'm sure they'll get back to heir normal garbs soon enough (batman when bruce gets back, Superman when his powers return etc.)

Flash I think is an unneccesary redesign, and I'm not a fan of it. It's like new 52 meets tv show.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on May 30, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
The plates and pads also make it unnecessary for the actor to have real muscles... like most superheroes have realistic muscles anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on May 30, 2015, 08:56:09 PM
Ehh, it's not bad, but it's unnecessary.  Mr. Miracle has a fantastic costume.  It's basically one of the perfect costumes, as far as I'm concerned.  Screwing with perfection is usually a bad idea.  This just looks robotic and less like what he should be, a  colorful escape-artist.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 03, 2015, 10:01:28 AM
Justice League #41 was intense.So much happens.Also a huge case of Worf effect,but see for yourself.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 03, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
Wow Spade, how do you get you books so early.  The comic shop around me doesn't open up until 11am.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 03, 2015, 12:50:37 PM
Different timezone,I guess? XD
Im at +1,so I could be a few hours ahead of you?
Midnighter was okay.Nothing mindblowing,just okay.
Bizarro was HILLARIOUS.Seriously,you need to read it,everyone.
Bat-Mite.Just Bat-Mite.  :thumbup:
Gotta hand it to DC,I thought that the whole DCYou thing was just a sales pitch but they really do have something for everyone.Variety is the word.  ^_^
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on June 07, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Anyone read the Hawkman Convergence books?  I just finished them.  Long story short, everything about the actual plot and characters was great and everything tied into the larger event bored me to tears.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This was a great set of issues, and they should be picked up by anybody who loves the Hawks.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 07, 2015, 05:02:32 AM
I agree.That was probably one of the better books in Convergence.
Worth reading are Swamp thing and Titans tie-ins.
My final thought is: An okay event if you like Earth 2 heroes,mediocre if you dont.
BTW,Darkseid war is happening before Convergence.Or ignores it.
Anyway,if you havent already,read JL #41.And everything else from last week.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 07, 2015, 05:25:53 PM
I live in Canada, so it's a different time zone for me as well.

Yeah, I'm still enjoying Justice League. It's the only book I've managed to keep up with right now.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 07, 2015, 06:10:16 PM
Killed a number of woman sharing the same name?Terminator,anyone? XD
Nice to see plots from basicly everywhere being connected.From the start of the Justice League to Forever Evil.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 08, 2015, 07:11:05 AM
Dug #41 out of the pile. Pretty much a seamless issue. Great dialogue, pacing and transition. The art holds up as usual there. I hope it keeps on this track, this could be a really arc.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 08, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
Here's the thing that is confusing.  I'm assuming that the stuff going on in Justice League happen BEFORE the heroes went through their changes but DURING Convergence and that's why we hardly saw them during the battles?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on June 08, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Here's the thing that is confusing.  I'm assuming that the stuff going on in Justice League happen BEFORE the heroes went through their changes but DURING Convergence and that's why we hardly saw them during the battles?

Ya could be, makes sense. DC's attitude is more or less that each writer gets to write their own story and it's all canon but not necessarily happening at the same time. I'm assuming they are not gonna explicitly state when is each story happening, guess that will be up to us.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 08, 2015, 05:02:48 PM
I'm a little woozy but bare with me. Going spoiler since this pertains to Convergence #8 and everyone might not be up to that point. I'm also going to spoil Marvel's Age Of Apocalypse event here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 08, 2015, 05:18:54 PM
Braniac is the Wormhole Alien from Deep Space 9? XD
As I understood,Convergence didnt involve Earth 0(main universe) heroes,and thus they are free do do anything during that time.The event was sort of an ending for earlier heroes.
Im kinda suprised nobody commented other series from last week.All of them were pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 08, 2015, 07:35:35 PM
That in a nutshell. From their vantage point in the New 52 this was all unsung but it did influence how they came to be in the first place. They pretty much just gave us some details as the how the reboot came to do and gave the classics a proper send off so the talent is free to move forward with fresh stories.

Which ones specifically? I've been silent because my pulls have been meager do to event fatigue and most of the DC books I got are just sitting in the pile unread really. Too many other things occupying me right now and I figure I'll catch up when I have some room to breath, goes for both DC and Marvel. I've mostly just been pushing to keep current on at least the main titles, in this case being Convergence and Secret Wars. Everything else is on hold short of my favorites (TMNT and IXth Generation).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 09, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
I mentioned a few already.Both Bizarro and Bat-mite were GREAT!
Its kinda hard to put them into words really. XD
Midnighter was okay.Nothing mindblowing,but its the first issue.
Its a bit different take on the genre since he considers himself fighter not a superhero and doesnt hide his identity.Not revolutionary,but its refreshing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 09, 2015, 12:47:40 PM
I meant to pick up Midnighter.  I'll go see if I can get it this week.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 10, 2015, 08:52:33 AM
Batman Beyond 01 Not the Beyond Universe I knew.Its more like Fallout/Days of Future Past thing.Im very neutral about it.

Batman 41 Jim Gordon fights an energy...something and has a few quips.Great cliffhanger ending.Cant wait for #42.

Starfire 01 Very interesting.Starfire is closer to her animated portrayal,which is good IMO.Mostly just introduces the town and the supporting cast.

All-Star Section 8 I can see this is gonna be the stuff of legends.Ennis and McCrea are at the top of their game,still.  :)
Batman
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
.Priceless.  :thumbup:

Red Hood/Arsenal Pretty much same like RHO.Okay action and good portrayal of Roy.New costumes are...kinda goofy.Roy has a Kyle Raylner-style red mask.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on June 10, 2015, 09:56:24 AM
Batman was really good. I like
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It really feels like a different book, which is not a bad thing. Should be a fun ride. And that cliffhanger....
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 10, 2015, 02:08:32 PM
Detective Comics 41 focuses on the other members of GCPD,Bullock in this case.

Constantine:The Hellblazer 01 Im dissapointed with this one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 10, 2015, 02:51:37 PM
Detective Comics 41 focuses on the other members of GCPD,Bullock in this case.

Constantine:The Hellblazer 01 Im dissapointed with this one.

Really?  I was looking forward to Constantine.  Between the TV show and the Injustice comic, I was really starting to like him.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 10, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
Its a bit dragged down by not being a Vertigo series.But I dont know it was a bit bland IMO.Still early to judge thou.
To me Starfire 01 is the best DC comic of this week.If you liked Teen Titans in any form,you should pick it up.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 13, 2015, 06:38:25 PM
Was New Years Evil series ever collected or reprinted?Its almost impossible to find.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 14, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
Do you like female DC Superheroes? Do you like WWII? Do you like standalone series that you can read without having to buy a crap-ton of other books to understand what's going on in the larger universe? (I admit, I'm a bit biased on that last one.)  Then you'll like DC Bombshells. More info at the link below.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-bombshells-series-drops-this-july-from-bennett-sauvage (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-bombshells-series-drops-this-july-from-bennett-sauvage)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on June 15, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
Do you like female DC Superheroes? Do you like WWII? Do you like standalone series that you can read without having to buy a crap-ton of other books to understand what's going on in the larger universe? (I admit, I'm a bit biased on that last one.)  Then you'll like DC Bombshells. More info at the link below.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-bombshells-series-drops-this-july-from-bennett-sauvage (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-bombshells-series-drops-this-july-from-bennett-sauvage)

That's cute. Maybe I'll finish my bombshell Wonder Woman...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 16, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Apparently, DC wanted to kill off Nightwing/Dick Grayson during InfiniteCrisis. And before that, they wanted to make him a gosh-darned Supervillain, among other things. More info at the link below.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 16, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
Apparently, DC wanted to kill off Nightwing/Dick Grayson during InfiniteCrisis. And before that, they wanted to make him a gosh-darned Supervillain, among other things. More info at the link below.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/)

I guess that's why they killed him in Injustice and faked his death in Forever Evil.  His also became evil in The Dark Knight Strikes Again and was killed off.  What do people have against Grayson???
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 16, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Kinda justified in the Frankverse since Crazy Steve kidnapped him,locked him in the basement and forced him to eat rats.People hold grudges for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 16, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
Apparently, DC wanted to kill off Nightwing/Dick Grayson during InfiniteCrisis. And before that, they wanted to make him a gosh-darned Supervillain, among other things. More info at the link below.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/)

I guess that's why they killed him in Injustice and faked his death in Forever Evil.  His also became evil in The Dark Knight Strikes Again and was killed off.  What do people have against Grayson???

Because he didn't know his place and tried to be anything other than Dick Grayson, Age 12; that's why. Why do you think Wally West got replaced with a black kid who has nothing to do with the original character? I'm also pretty sure Donna hasn't been seen around lately either, or at least not outside of Covergence. Basically, you either die a sidekick, or live long enough to see yourself become fricked over.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 17, 2015, 01:15:21 AM
Apparently, DC wanted to kill off Nightwing/Dick Grayson during InfiniteCrisis. And before that, they wanted to make him a gosh-darned Supervillain, among other things. More info at the link below.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/dcs-plot-to-destroy-nightwing-is-even-older-than-we-thought/)

I guess that's why they killed him in Injustice and faked his death in Forever Evil.  His also became evil in The Dark Knight Strikes Again and was killed off.  What do people have against Grayson???

Because he didn't know his place and tried to be anything other than Dick Grayson, Age 12; that's why. Why do you think Wally West got replaced with a black kid who has nothing to do with the original character? I'm also pretty sure Donna hasn't been seen around lately either, or at least not outside of Covergence. Basically, you either die a sidekick, or live long enough to see yourself become fricked over.

Actually Donna Troy came back and challenge Wonder Woman for the throne and got her behind handed to her.  It still proves your point thought
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 17, 2015, 05:04:36 AM
And they tried to recreate Daredevil: Born Again with Nightwing.Donna Troy will stick around.WW #41 will clarify on that.
And not everything is so bad for Dick Grayson.He has his own Bond  style comic. XD
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 17, 2015, 11:03:29 AM
Justice League of America #1 Justice League Delta.Ah,DC and their wacky fonts. XD
At first I was like: Did they just recycle The Kingdom,but then I was like: That escalated quickly...
Wonder Woman #41 starts a new story-line.It was okay.
Started reading Injustice and my God,its Civil War :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 17, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Supposedly Dan Didio isn't fond of Nightwing. IIRC it was him who wanted him to die in Finite Crisis but other creators (don't remember who) talked him out of it.

Spade, I haven't gone to the shop to pick up JLA yet, and I'm not sure if I'm going to want to pick it up regularly at full price. So a few questions:

1. How's the pace? I have it in my head for some reason that this book is going one of those arcs that take 6 issues to tell 1 issues worth of plot (maybe because that's how New 52 Justice League started, but maybe also because Bryan Hitch tends to do those kind of books.

2. How's the writing? One of the reasons I'm not sure about this book is because Hitch is also the writer, and I don't know if he can write.

3. How's the art? Hitch is great when he's not rushed, but he also has trouble getting a book out on time. The divide between "rushed Hitch" and "legit Hitch" is a fairy pronounced one. I saw preview pics earlier this week and those looked alright, probably not his best work but decent.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 18, 2015, 05:14:57 AM
Artwork is pretty standard.Story is a bit slow for the first half,but thats a given since its the first issure.It was a good "debut" IMO.
Btw,Dicks death in Injustice was something out of Scary Movie.And Kyle Rayner suffers.Thats fresh...
Prez 01 - Political satire worthy of DK2.And is that the guy from Assasination Classroom?
Black Canary 01 - What was this actually about?Feels like I missed 20 previous issues.
Finished year 2 of Injustice.Like somebody roled the worst Marvel storylines into one.Its the comic equivalent of a car accident.Its horrible,but you cant look away.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 19, 2015, 02:22:25 PM
Bit into the DC stack though mostly catching up on Bat books. Did read Starfire. Conner has been good to me with Harley so I thought why not. Wow, she drops more exposition than I do. Else reads like the serious version of the Harley book with the exception of Starfire herself who behaves like the character from the animated series. It is a well composed book though and if Conner has shown me anything she has a tendency to make her star come off airheaded only to surprise us later when they heel turn and show how smart and compassionate they can be (see Harley Quinn). I'm glad I saw the names on the cover, I was going to pass on this series originally.

Read Secret Six #3...yeesh I didn't even remember this one existed. I guess that's what happens when events suddenly break the cycle. Anyways it still holds up. I like the dynamic where most of the characters are hopeless villains through and through. I don't think this series is generate enough draw to keep going for a long time though.

Earth 2 remains E2...sort of. If I'm reading it right basically everything got mashed up into one book, that being Earth 2, Power Girl/Huntress and the mixed city dynamic from Convergence? It's a rough read mostly focusing on Dick. Everything else zips by and we don't get a lot of quality time with the rest. Hard to swallow that a what was it again...planet limited to twelve cities with sparse populations cultivated and monitored by super heroes became chaotic and over run by crime in a years time? I guess that's no less convoluted then convergence was. I like the characters so I'll stick in there.

Valentine's Catwoman remains a top pick and still surprisingly as I never thought I would be regarding that title so highly. It's just smart, elegantly done and has anything else a proper story should. I don't know how to feel about Gordan Batman. Gordan and the GCPD read fine but they did regardless of the upset here. The suit...well it's an eyesore. It looks like if the Tick and Mothman had a baby together, and it was a Gundam. Gordan's Batsuit however is pretty sharp. The stories are fine (Batman/Detective). I have a feeling it's the usual going to end in disaster to show the world (reader) why we need " X " character, in this case Bruce however. I hate that but I'm becoming more adjusted to atypical super hero book archetypes being in place so I'll swallow. Someone in the biz once told me there's only twelve possible plot combinations in Hollywood once? I never spent the time to research that but in at least a round-a-bout way it sort of factors into expectation. Or as many people put it " They can't all be Watchmen ". So it doesn't unfold badly just predictably so. New Batman will have obstacles in not being experienced in Batman's world. Eventually have showdowns with classic Batman rogues as well revamps of some to match his own new model. At sometime there will be this climatic battle where it all goes to hell and the original guy has to return and reign everything in. So going rate but the characters hold up.

Oh, I also read the New Suicide Squad ish. Eh. A bit of a tonal shift where Deadshot is once again center stage (likely movie props here) and Black Manta has been pushed to assist character position. An odd upheaval since the series started off on Manta. The team is still uncoordinated something that doesn't add up since most of them are veterans who have done this job together for some time now. The series continues to push into a military vs. terrorism dynamic mirroring real life news, this round featuring a take on Isis. That's better then the Marvel books focusing on fracking I guess but not my cup of tea. I read comics to escape reality and especially the news, not run straight to it. Another book where love for the characters justifies that I keep reading it but otherwise this ones getting pretty stale.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 19, 2015, 06:18:56 PM
Didnt we already see in Battle for the Cowl what happens when Batman isnt around?And nobody but Bruce can be Batman for long.God forbid if they actually have different moral views.Poor JP,I still miss him.Batsuit actually reminds me of Shockwave.Its not very Gundamesque.Thou that would actually be cool.
Earth 2 heroes stayed on Telos for real?How does that work?
Suicide Squad-Its pretty obvious who the League is supposed to be.Not sure why did they do that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 19, 2015, 09:08:12 PM
The thing about the current volume of Secret Six is that it has been delayed to an absurd degree. There doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about it, but I'm certain it's the artist's fault, as the book's switching to the artist who did the original Villains United miniseries that launched Secret Six, Dale Eaglesham (who I like a lot better anyway).

I havn't read issue 3 yet, but as for the first two, while I usually really like Gail Simone's writing, including in previous volumes of SS, I wasn't in love with this book. Seems a bit slow moving and I don't find the roster of characters as good as in the past (which makes sense, some of them such as Deadshot are held up elsewhere in DC comics). Might take further reading for it to really click for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 20, 2015, 03:48:40 AM
Yeah the roster is real vague. I was into a few of them (New 52 Ventriloquist, Catman and Black Alice) before so I'm home team backing this one. Catman is an animal lover against abuse which is also a big draw for me. It's not going to measure up to the previous Secret Six of course, that was a cult classic hit. It's best to view this as it's own book or at least as the first three issues have shown Catman's series as he's the star. So it's a toss up whether one should read it. I wouldn't give it top props nor suggest against it though with the exception of it's probable early cancellation. I can't tell the future but I can do trends and pars and this one just isn't going to make it without major event tie-in endorsement and/or bringing in a big name character much as the previous series had Bane. I'd say if you have other books on the list pick them off first lest your looking for some action from those specific characters. The first three issues have all been set-up which agreed makes for a slow moving vehicle.

@Spade: Just a guess but the real life counterparts are infamous for attacking cartoonists for mocking them. Art and freedom of speech are nice and all but endangering ones own family over a value is carelessness. Not aware of the go to reason of course but I wouldn't doubt if there's some red tape to that effect there.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 20, 2015, 05:38:57 PM
Injustice Year 3 Remember when I said this is Civil war,AvX,One More Day and Ultimatum all rolled into one?Well I was wrong!THIS IS WAY WORSE THEN ANY OF THOSE!
They killed Kyle Rayner,Martian Manhunter,Captain Atom,but when they bend the reality just to kill Swamp Thing,THATS JUST MORONIC!
For the first time in my life I hate Batman.Batman here is a hypocritical bastard,plain and simple.He makes a deal with a demon instead of helping his friends improve the world,the accuses Superman of losing his humanity.What the hell hero,indead?He betrays his oldest friends,claims to fight tyranny while being even worst,manipulates his followers then abandons them,imprisons his own son together with said friends,makes a deal with a demon.And finally,he and John Constantine are responsible for killing the embodiment of nature,while saving the world.AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHEERING FOR THESE PEOPLE!
I was thinking about getting the game,but now-NOW WAY IN HELL!  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 20, 2015, 06:30:36 PM
Injustice Year 3 Remember when I said this is Civil war,AvX,One More Day and Ultimatum all rolled into one?Well I was wrong!THIS IS WAY WORSE THEN ANY OF THOSE!
They killed Kyle Rayner,Martian Manhunter,Captain Atom,but when they bend the reality just to kill Swamp Thing,THATS JUST MORONIC!
For the first time in my life I hate Batman.Batman here is a hypocritical bastard,plain and simple.He makes a deal with a demon instead of helping his friends improve the world,the accuses Superman of losing his humanity.What the hell hero,indead?He betrays his oldest friends,claims to fight tyranny while being even worst,manipulates his followers then abandons them,imprisons his own son together with said friends,makes a deal with a demon.And finally,he and John Constantine are responsible for killing the embodiment of nature,while saving the world.AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHEERING FOR THESE PEOPLE!
I was thinking about getting the game,but now-NOW WAY IN HELL!  :thumbdown:

Still get the game.  The book is suppose to happen before the game, but with year 3 & 4, they went in a different direction.  Year 1 & 2 were great and maybe they should have ended it there
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 20, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
Cant comment on the game.And I commented on Years 1/2.I admit its a good idea,but the execution is horrible.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 20, 2015, 11:48:22 PM
Cant comment on the game.And I commented on Years 1/2.I admit its a good idea,but the execution is horrible.

Injustice was basically the poor mans' 'A Better World'. They tried to do a good 'Supes and League go rouge' story, but compared to A Better World, it's like if a grade-schooler tried to write Shakespeare, that's what it is.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 21, 2015, 05:29:09 AM
Govermants plan for hero going rogue?Have Mirror Master kidnap their parents.Seriously,thats it.
And thats only about fifth dumbest thing here.
About the League being more proactive...they tried that once,and it was horrible.The whole subject was aped HUNDREDS of times by now.And there were only 2 good stories.Both by Warren Ellis.Now why EVERYONE and their brother tries to write a story about heroes being more "proactive"?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 21, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
And there were only 2 good stories.

Make that 3; you forgot about 'A Better World'. (That was from Justice League, by the way; the TV show, not the comic.)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 21, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Dvd commentary quotes Authority  as the inspiration.And The Elite is Authority for pretty much all purpoises.But those were deconstruction stories,while Injustice...is Injustice.
Like I said,your supposed to be pro-Batman,but here hes a hypocritical bastard.One side is bad,the other is worst,and likable characters die all over the place.I can not stress this enough: The comic LITTERARLY bends reality just to kill Swamp Thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 21, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
Can't speak for the later years, but I've heard really good things about Year 1-2 of Injustice. I also read the first issue on Comixology a while ago and I really liked that.

The "proactive hero" thing has kinda been done to death now. Even when the game was first coming out there were eyerolls about the premise on here. It was being compared to A Better World (which I agree, was pretty awesome).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on June 21, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
I almost bought it when it first came out mainly just for reference material for a skin but I'm leery of cross-promotion/merchandizing ventures as well " try " to keep it down to one reality as not to overwhelm myself (Marvel of course wasn't listening to my pleas). Too many other things on my list of TPB's to catch up on I think to make space for Injustice I think. Probably won't ever end up reading it lest I find an amazing bargain on the trades, like flea market price amazing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2015, 05:10:01 AM
Dont mean to discourage you guys or anything,but I really cant recommend this to anyone.
Btw,wasnt the inability of Green Lanterns to save Krypton already addressed?IIRC,Tomat Tu was the GL of the Kryptonian sector and there was nothing he could do?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on June 22, 2015, 01:24:09 PM
Btw,wasnt the inability of Green Lanterns to save Krypton already addressed?IIRC,Tomat Tu was the GL of the Kryptonian sector and there was nothing he could do?

Back in the 70's, yeah, but DC Continuity is a tricky thing. One day, Supes might have a cousin, and the next he might not. One minute, Batman might have been turned into a gorilla and had a 4th dimensional imp following him around back in the 60's, and then suddenly be crying for mommy and daddy in the cold wet rain the next. In other words, that one story from the 70's may not really apply to current DC Continuity anymore, sad to say. (And that's not getting into the adaptations...)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on June 22, 2015, 02:17:03 PM
This is the problem with all superheroes in general.  They lived past their time.  Superman & Batman are both 76 years old in our time, if the comics stayed true to that then we should be seeing Kingdom Come, or Batman Beyond by now, but we're not.  Writers have to keep their characters fresh, so things that may have happen in the past (like the multi color Batman suits) would not applied to the current Batman comic.

I believe one time Marvel or DC addressed this by stating that in their universe, time runs slower than our universe, so that's why heroes who should be in a wheelchair are still running around fighting crime. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2015, 05:06:25 PM
Ah,the fabled comic-book time.Because nobody would want a 75 years old Batman.And it varies from story to story does Superman age at all.
Injustice is different universe,so they can do basicly whatever they want,ignoring the continuity.In the case of Earth One thats a great thing,here...not so much.
Im not that familiar with Trigon,but isnt he an extradimensional alien or something,and not THE devil?But I could be wrong.Hell is a very confusing in DCU.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on June 22, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
Just how DEVIOUS would a 75-year-old Batman be? (Yes, I've seen Batman Beyond).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 23, 2015, 06:06:44 AM
Well,there is Batman: Year 100...
Im going thru some Blackest Night tie-in.Superboy-Prime busts into DCs office and blames Dan DiDio for screwing up his life.That was hilarious.
Its PRIME time! I was saving that one! XD
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 23, 2015, 05:47:15 PM
DC announced their upcoming collected editions.And its pretty suprising.
Legacy/Contagion,Cassandra Cain:Batgirl,John Ostanders Suicide  Squad and Azrael by Denis O'neil.Im guessing Arkham Knight is responsible for the last one.But thank you DC,in any case.I was waiting for this one. :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 23, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
Ah yes, the Blackest Night Superboy Prime story. I read that when it came out. Very meta, I thought it was hilarious too.

That spun out of the ending of Final Crisis: Legion of the Three Worlds, by the way. If you haven't read that I highly recommend it. It was really good. Some of George Perez's best artwork.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 24, 2015, 11:19:49 AM
Ah yes, the Blackest Night Superboy Prime story. I read that when it came out. Very meta, I thought it was hilarious too.

That spun out of the ending of Final Crisis: Legion of the Three Worlds, by the way. If you haven't read that I highly recommend it. It was really good. Some of George Perez's best artwork.

Thanks,I might check that out.

Grayson #9 A new storyline,but nothing really changed.If you didnt like Grayson before,this isnt going to change your opinion.

Justice League 3001 I really enjoyed this one.Its really funny and witty.The story arc is Starro War.So they parody a story that isnt even out yet?Impresive.  :)

We are Robin Its a story about a boy from THE HOOD.Yeah,original.   &lt;_&lt;
Robin(s) appear in 1 panel.Kinda dissapointed by this one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 01, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
Batman Beyond #2 Its Terminator mixed with DoFP.Yeah...not my thing...

Bat-Mite #2 I love the little guy.He cracks me up.  :thumbup:
Bat-Mite: Hawkman,three word...FULL.BODY.WAX.Seriously,dude...manscaping.
The Dark-Mite returns!  :thumbup: :thumbup:

Bizzaro #2 Another great comedy.You should avoid it,because it has no chupacabras at all.Gett it,Bizzaro-speak...not important. XD
Villain of the story is a used car salesman with hypnotic powers.IT IS BRILLIANT.  :D

JL Gods and Monsters #1 Its a Year One story for Batman.Looks promising.

Midnighter #2 Its still just okay.But its the only Wildstorm character with his own comic so we cant really complain.I like that it shows different places.Like Oakland or Moscow.Nice change of scenery.

Detective comics #42 Jim isnt doing that great in his new role. :unsure:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 08, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Batman 42 At this point I wonder why they bother with the mecha-suit.It always malfunctions,or is incapacitated in some way.   &lt;_&lt;
More news on Bruce.

JLA #2 Its a bit like Divinity,but with a more religious bent.Artwork seems a bit rushed on few panels.But in general,its okay.

Section 8 #2 -Hello,Homeland security?I like to report...  :lol:
Attept to recruit Green Lantern doesnt work out that well.
-No forget it.After what happend to Rayner...You will hear from my lawyer!  :lol:

Starfire #2 I see the story somewhat forming.Still pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 11, 2015, 01:51:41 AM
It took a bit of consideration but I think I'm going to say Supergirl Matrix was my favorite Convergence title. Probably because Ambush Bug but that's always a direct enough reason imo. Where were the Thrillkiller characters BTW? I'm Brereton-hard and was excited when I saw them advertized but didn't run across them in the ones I read I read.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 11, 2015, 05:24:00 AM
Wildcats were also advertised,but didnt appear in Convergence.I know this was to be an epilogue to older versions of characters,but I would have liked to see Retaliators or Superdemon more then 3 versions of Superman.
Some more stuff nobody cares about:
Red Hood Arsenal #2 If your familiar with Lobdells work on these characters,its still pretty much the same.Its not bad,but its not stellar either.Jokes are kinda juvenile,still.

Justice League G&M Its 10 issues in,and its interesting.Again,not stellar but its okay.And Batman is possibly gay.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 11, 2015, 04:34:55 PM
This is  newly announced crossover is so nuts that i can't wait to see it
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/4679089-batman_tmnt_02.jpg)

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/sdcc-2015-batman-and-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-/1100-152869/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 11, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
Star Trek/Green Lantern was well accepted,so more crossovers with IDW.  ^_^
Wonder if they will crossover with Transformers?  :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 11, 2015, 07:10:19 PM
Star Wars and GL crossed over?  Crazy.  :)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: spydermann93 on July 11, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
The thing I'm most excited about the Batman/TMNT crossover is Batman facing off with the Shredder.

I can't think of many matchups cooler than that!! :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 12, 2015, 05:44:20 AM
Star Wars and GL crossed over?  Crazy.  :)

Yup,issue 1 of 6 is out.As far as company crossovers go,it was great.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 12, 2015, 09:36:29 AM
Star Wars and GL crossed over?  Crazy.  :)

Yup,issue 1 of 6 is out.As far as company crossovers go,it was great.

Wasn`t it Star Trek?

The thing I'm most excited about the Batman/TMNT crossover is Batman facing off with the Shredder.

I can't think of many matchups cooler than that!! :D

Was thinking the same! There is no way they'd miss on doing that!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 12, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Yes,I meant Star Trek.I apologise.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 12, 2015, 04:05:57 PM
^ That. The best SDCC news yesterday where the Turtles announcements imo.

Also read that Mutliversity won out. Good for that and Grant, they did a good job and deserve the praise there like I rambled about earlier.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on July 12, 2015, 04:40:49 PM
Whoops!  I misread. :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 12, 2015, 05:47:24 PM
More news.Upcoming Flash Earth One by Straczynski and Aquaman Earth One by Francis Manapul.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 13, 2015, 06:58:06 AM
Ohhh yeah. Batman/TMNT. I fanboyed out.

Actually, my non-comics reading friend immediately asked if Batman would fight Shredder. Giving the description of the book, the ongoing plot of IDW's TMNT, and the way TMNT/Ghostbusters was done, I'm not sure if ol' Shred Head would be in it (not caught up in the current issues).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 15, 2015, 02:09:21 AM
PICK UP JUSTICE LEAGUE 42 IS A MUST FOR ALL DC FANS

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/14/tomorrow-another-dc-comics-secret-identity-goes-public-spoilers/

Mind Blown!!  It took DC 75years to finally tell us this.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 15, 2015, 08:09:05 AM
PICK UP JUSTICE LEAGUE 42 IS A MUST FOR ALL DC FANS

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/14/tomorrow-another-dc-comics-secret-identity-goes-public-spoilers/

Mind Blown!!  It took DC 75years to finally tell us this.

Yeah,about that...
JL 42 does reveal the Jokers name.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 16, 2015, 01:11:37 AM
Yeah, that's kinda making a mountain out of nothing. Great issue though. I'm still really enjoying JL.

Just read Secret Six #4.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 16, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
But its worth mentioning that Batman obviously knew that person,and it could have been somebody close to him.We probably wont find out who is it,anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 16, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
Yeah, that's kinda making a mountain out of nothing. Great issue though. I'm still really enjoying JL.

Just read Secret Six #4.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I know, but like you said it was a good issue.  It kind of bugs me a little that even though all of this is taking place in the New 52, I'm reading one issue where Supes is all powerful and Bruce Wayne is Batman, then I pick up another New 52 book and Supes is de-power and Gordon is Batman.  Make up your mind already DC!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 16, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
^Thats their new policy of loose timeline.Everything happens,but not at the same time.JL happens before the changes you mentioned.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 16, 2015, 01:22:12 PM
Which is kind of a Spoiler if you think about it.  Supes, Bats and WW will make it out ok.  I'm assuming that Bats will forget who the Joker really is because there were mention of it during the events in Batman....(well maybe not because he did say that he was going to rest with his friend at the end) Still, it's annoying.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 16, 2015, 01:38:32 PM
I guess you could split the titles as ones happening pre Convergence (JLA,JL) and post-Convergence ones(Batman,Superman etc).And ones you really cant sort like Bizarro and Bat-Mite.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 19, 2015, 04:44:26 AM
www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/07/09/dc-entertainment-provides-new-details-for-dark-knight-iii-the-master-race (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/07/09/dc-entertainment-provides-new-details-for-dark-knight-iii-the-master-race)

More news about Dark Knight 3.Good news is that Brian Azzarello is involved,so this actually has a chance.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 20, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
I'm kinda curious if they can manage to redeem that series after the bizarre trainwreck that is Dark Knight Strikes Again. Not planning to pick this up unless I hear good things. Wasn't a big fan of the Dark Knight Returns comic to begin with.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 22, 2015, 03:34:09 AM
Really liked Secret Six #4 as well, sorry late to the party. I've had good vibes about that book from the start. Glad to see them pay off. I'm betting this book won't last but it's telling a good story. Speaking of late to the party and I'm sure this was covered here already but...what continuity or time is this new Justice League book supposed to be happening in? I swear I'm reading this and it has no correlation to current events at all more it's like a " in spirit " book or something. Also a ton of grade A movie tie-in stuff happening here. I just don't get it but I missed whatever memo going in. I picked it up thinking it was a renumbered of continuation of the JL I was reading but looking at I don't know what or when it is. Anyone?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 22, 2015, 05:18:32 AM
If your talking about JLA,its happening sometimes in the early days of Justice League,I belive.During the first 5 years or something like that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 23, 2015, 04:21:36 AM
JL 3001 #2- I like how DC has enogh spirit to joke at their own expense.
Im Maxwell Lords,but not the maniac who shot Blue Beetle.Im the nice guy from JLI.
Flash is only here to tie into the TV show.But this one is a girl. :D
Cyborg #1- It just seemed kinda generic.Cyborg strugles with his identity while mysterious aliens are doing mysterious things.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 27, 2015, 02:52:45 PM
Yeah JLA would be the one, the one with the Kryptonian God. It seems like pure pre-modelling for the upcoming film and not anchored in New 52 continuity really. I don't really like it and am probably not going to stay with it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on July 27, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
The new JLA series would be good if DC go their time line together.  I want to enjoy the story but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking:  When did this happen?  Is this going to affect the rest of the 52?  Where does the heck does this fits in the 52 universe???!!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 27, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
The new JLA series would be good if DC go their time line together.  I want to enjoy the story but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking:  When did this happen?  Is this going to affect the rest of the 52?  Where does the heck does this fits in the 52 universe???!!

Almost like they didnt even care,right?  :blink:
Seriously thou,the continuity is very loose.That problem persist from 2011.Blame Bob Harras for having no clue what hes doing.
Just that they now decided to roll with it.Idea is that a new reader will pick up a book from #1 and understand it without knowing so much about the continuity,or the book being tied up with others.How much that worked...well,its a mixed bag for me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 28, 2015, 11:28:13 PM
Okay I kind of get it now. Basically it's canon but in it's own little world, kind of like a lot of Remenders stuff at Marvel has been. Meh. Still not really digging it, the other JL book already fills the void well enough for me. Really is a movie primer though. I'm just going to drop that one from the pull list. I actually got confused somehow and thought it tied right into the other series but it doesn't and I hate double booking so that that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 29, 2015, 02:31:13 AM
i did end up picking up the first issue of JLA and liked it alright, but didn't feel the need to pick up issue 2. The continuity's pretty loose/ambiguous and it didn't grab me. I don't now if I feel it has to play off current continuity to be worth reading, but it would help, and I'm enjoying Johns' book a lot more.

Incidentally I just bought a trade of the original Waid/Hitch run of JLA, which was the only part of that era I was missing. I haven't gotten to it yet (I'm finishing up Batman Eternal Vol. 1) but I'm still stoked about it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 29, 2015, 05:23:57 AM
Speaking of continuity and Batman Eternal,there is a slight problem with the story.Architect.He and Batman imply that Gates of Gotham did happen.Only problem is that Cassandra Cain was never Batgirl in the Nu52,and shes in Gates.Not really that important,I just like to complain. XD
Oh,and Sinestro Corps has a Predator.
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/46984/1421213-predator_sinestro.jpg)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on July 29, 2015, 04:48:55 PM
I like the current GL books. I had to dismiss placement though to enjoy them. More outside the books where it doesn't make sense that a character can be in two places at once (anyone see Simon anywhere, lol). Inside the books the story seems to acknowledge most Pre-FP events yet disregards who is dead or alive be that in the Green or Sinestro titles though. So I sort of pick up on it, say to myself " whut? That character is dead? (I mean I'm pretty into skinning these characters and have lists of who is among the living or nay)" then just blink and move on with the story. Still enjoyable, Sinestro Corps is the best right now imo though GLC is heating up. Larfleeze was the best overall of the New 52 ones but it stood apart on it's own like Superior Foes did for Marvel giving it a unique flavor.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 10, 2015, 04:05:36 PM
I read Legion of 3 worlds.It was pretty good.Bit confusing for me since im not all that familiar with the Legion of Super Heroes.
In the end Superboy Prime is in his parents basement,complaining online about DC.Nice one DC,nice one...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2015, 12:18:13 PM
All-star section 8
Martian Manhunter: I hear these voices,they are saying: You ****,you just fight other **** like yourself to preserve the status quo,you never really change anything.But as a superhero,I learned to ignore them.
Dont worry MM,its just Garth Ennis,we all learned to ignore his oppinions.Seriously,I liked some of his works,but the men shouldnt be allowed neer superheroes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 14, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
Variants are becoming a common place now.  November will be Looney Tunes Month

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/14/exclusive-looney-tunes-variants-for-aquaman-batman-superman-deat/#Image5
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 14, 2015, 05:31:28 PM
Well, I LOVED the Darwyn Cooke one, but this is rather silly.  :P
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on August 14, 2015, 06:17:41 PM
Like someone in the comment section said I wish these were done in the same artstyle, they look copy/paste as it is. I still like them, though, harley/gossamer one is pretty funny
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on August 14, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Monsters lead such IN-teresting lives...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 15, 2015, 03:42:38 AM
Monsters lead such IN-teresting lives...

 :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 17, 2015, 02:26:50 PM
Here's the complete set.  25 in total

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/08/14/the-complete-set-of-dc-comics-looney-tunes-variant-covers

I like the Wonder Woman & Cyborg covers the best
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 17, 2015, 03:06:30 PM
Ha, I like the Marvin the Martian one and the Starfire one.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 17, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
The Batman one with Rocky & Mugsy followed by the Harley Quinn one with Gossamer (I have a special place for the character). Love em. I'd wear a t-shirt with either of those images printed on it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 17, 2015, 05:47:26 PM
Catwoman and Black Carney are cool too.  I won't be surprise if these covers does get turn into shirts.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 17, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
Wonder Woman and Fudd need to be my new phone wallpaper.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 23, 2015, 05:20:59 AM
I know its been some time and DC doesnt want to clarify it,but did Convergence undo Crisis on Infinite Earth?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 23, 2015, 05:46:15 AM
No. It was an inwrite. So Crisis happened but something we didn't see originally also happened. Sort of like how when Marvel did Original Sin just for a comparison. It was technically undone by the reboot which Convergence showed though. I think I tried to explain this before but the gist of it is all those old past timelines happened, but they then Converged with each other and spit out the other side to form the New 52 timelines which contain elements of the old but are not the same canon anymore. So it happened but it's not past as far as New 52 is concerned though neither is anything else. It's not canon to New 52. It is canon and still happened to pre-New 52. Sorry I'm a little tired, I hope I explained that right. Just refer yourself back to the two spread pages in the last ish (#8) of Convergence showing the past and present merging timelines, that pretty much spells it all out.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 23, 2015, 06:29:20 AM
If I understood it,the point was to make everything canon,just on different Earths.So,married Superman and Lois live somewhere in the Multiverse,just that Earth isnt represented in the 52-Multiversity.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 23, 2015, 07:07:46 AM
Not really. Think of it as two separate canons. The one that proceeded it and the latter. Crisis is part of the proceeding canon. They're all joined at the Convergence event only and according to how it rolls out apparently always were but anyone was just finding that out at that moment. So in issue #8 the first spread page shows the dimensions/timelines (some) that are contained within the old canon, the second spread image shows ones that are in the second canon. Like speaking of my avatar if you ever read Homestuck it's pretty much the same concept that's played out in that webcomic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 23, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
I havent read Homestuck.
There are still only 52 Earths in the Multiverse?And the previous versions of characters are in a whole different Multiverse if I understood you right?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on August 23, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
I " think " so, hence the New 52 though I'm not clear on it and yet the writers play it loose now so that's part of it. And yes that's exactly it. Like two disks, Disk A continuity and Disk B continuity. Anything on either is joined by one event but otherwise isn't fully canon to the other. They played with a lot of temporal mechanics in that last issue imo was probably the smartest part of the whole series. I mind that it's just a matter of time before they shovel dirt over the whole concept and rewrite everything anyways, same goes for Marvel and it's current restructuring. Better to read the stories and not be bogged down by all that especially when most of the individual writers don't seem to be minding it themselves. In effect I consider the low road and that both companies may have in part made a " get out of jail free card " of sorts that allows the writes to get on with stories as they see fit and not necessarily have to mind every minute detail of continuity. After all whose to say what happened when and now anymore? And really that may not be a bad thing, I mean writers focusing more on telling a story instead of making sure every little thing matches up as well having to throw out story ideas just on the basis " they're not canon ". Quality over succinctness or some such thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 26, 2015, 01:17:40 PM
JLA #3 Pretty sure thats intentional since Bryan Hitch was involved in both projects,but doesn't Rao look a bit like Apollo?
Also hes a more hands on version of Divinity,Im calling it right now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 28, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
Injustice was already a melting pot of bad stories,but year four works in Amazons Attack.Un-fraking-belivable.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on August 28, 2015, 08:50:27 PM
The first two years of Injustice was pretty good.  The problem was that they had to stretch it out because it pretty much caught up with the game.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 01, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
I avoided Lord Havok and The Extremist because it was a Countdown tie in,but now that I did read it...I didnt really miss much.Civil War/Ultimates parody was somewhat interesting.but otherwise such wasted potential...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 01, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
I wonder how long before Harley Quinns in comic appearance changes and mirrors the SS film one. I don't why that just struck but it did and I'm almost willing to bank on it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on September 02, 2015, 01:56:20 AM
SA, she's already not that far away, but yeah, I imagine it will shift that way eventually, unless the movie is a big flop.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 02, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
Bat-Mite #4This time he "fixes" Booster Gold.  :lol:
In the next issue(Superior Six) he will fix The Inferior Five.Hmm,who could they be parodies of?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 02, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
Bat-Mite #4This time he "fixes" Booster Gold.  :lol:
In the next issue(Superior Six) he will fix The Inferior Five.Hmm,who could they be parodies of?

It's either the Jackson Five or the Fantastic Four, but I won't spoil it for you  :lol:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 03, 2015, 04:55:43 AM
And here I thought it was the Magnificent Seven.
Midnighter #4 Guesst stars Dick Grayson.In sauna.There is some subtext there.And I guess the story focuses more on Russia from now on.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: SickAlice on September 04, 2015, 07:11:12 PM
I'm totally warming up to BatbunnyGordan.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 09, 2015, 12:17:37 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/25131-superman-lois-clark-coming-of-the-supermen-titans-hunt-and-telos-announced.html (http://www.newsarama.com/25131-superman-lois-clark-coming-of-the-supermen-titans-hunt-and-telos-announced.html)

Convergence gets spinoffs.
Superman:Lois and Clark
Coming of the Supermen
Titans Hunt
Telos
Also,I guess that solves the question of multiverse after Convergence.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 09, 2015, 03:52:42 PM
With these new books coming out, I'm expecting DC to cancel some of their current titles.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 12, 2015, 10:45:48 AM
Forgot to mention it when we talked about stories that homaged or subverted The Authority--JLA Ultramarine Corps.
Superman: These no-nonsense sollution of yours just dont hold water in the complex world of time travel and jet-powered apes.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 12, 2015, 11:43:39 PM
Yep, I remember that. JLA Classified #1-3 by Grant Morrison, which, of course, has continuity with his Batman run because Morrison's cool like that.

I remember a reviewer calling Morrison "supercompressed" to counter decompression made famous by writers like Bendis, and this storyarc summed it up best. Micro universe, robot duplicates, and giant apes taking over a major U.S. city (state? it's been too long), and none of it was elaborated in detail. That's Grant Morrison for ya. And I kinda love it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 13, 2015, 05:17:42 AM
It also picks up from his JLA run and carries over into Seven Soldiers.Which carries over into Final Crisis.Morrisons work for DC is pretty much one huge story.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on September 14, 2015, 01:04:15 AM
I was right:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/five-dc-titles-to-end-in-december-including-justice-league-united-and-lobo

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 15, 2015, 04:50:50 AM
Coming of Supermen will pit a trio of Supermen against every Jack Kirby creation.Or at least every owned by DC.
Superman:American Alien will be an anthology series.Thats all we know about it.
Im actually looking forward to Dan Abnett writing Titans.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on September 20, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
Not really sure where to put this, but a bit of news coming out of the Gotham TV show (http://screenrant.com/gotham-season-2-bill-finger-batman-credit/) that has an impact on the greater whole... DC has reached accommodations with Bill Finger's family, and will now be able to give him proper credit for his part in the creation of the Batman character (Something most of us already knew, but due to a longstanding contract with Bob Kane, DC has up until now been unable to credit Bill Finger properly for his MANY contributions to the character).
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 14, 2015, 09:12:09 AM
So if I got Superman Lois and Clark right:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 14, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
If that's true:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 14, 2015, 10:54:13 AM
It plays out kinda like this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Upcoming Titans Hunt will retroactively introduce Titans history into the current continuity.Basically fix everything Scott Lobdell did.
Question is: is the old continuity returning?  :unsure:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on October 17, 2015, 12:31:50 AM
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Inferior_Five_(New_Earth) :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 17, 2015, 05:29:45 AM
^And Bat-Mites idea for rebooting them is making them darker and edgier,thou thats his idea for rebooting everyone. ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Green Hornet on October 17, 2015, 11:29:26 AM
I am enjoying the Lois and Clark. During the scene when Superman, Flash, Supergirl, and Green Lantern are fighting the Anti-Monitor it shows Flash and Supergirl going back to their worlds. Does this mean they didn't die in the fight?  :o
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on October 17, 2015, 06:16:45 PM
^And Bat-Mites idea for rebooting them is making them darker and edgier,thou thats his idea for rebooting everyone. ;)
Not exactly, it's that he's making them more like the present version of Batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 29, 2015, 05:23:19 AM
All star Section 8 was actually hilarious.Phantom Stranger and Etrigan campaign for Demon by Garth Ennis to be collected.
Spoiler: it will be.Now only if they ever collected the whole Spectre by John Ostander...
Forgot to ask: did anyone read last weeks Titan Hunt?Thought?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 29, 2015, 11:22:42 PM
Passed on Titans Hunt. Looked pretty good though.

I actually read some of John Ostrander's Spectre series about 10 years ago or so....damn good series.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 30, 2015, 05:13:51 AM
^Yes it was.But only the first 22 issues were collected IIRC.Damn shame.
Im sure I mentioned it before,but Titans Hunt #1 was pretty good.Maybe its too soon to give the final verdict,but its sets up a good mystery.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 04, 2015, 03:33:51 PM
Well Bat-Mite is over.It was a good run,anyway,  :)
The mysterious villain in Midnighter was
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Its nice to see him again.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on November 12, 2015, 01:14:39 AM
Hey, good news from the Aquaman book.  Apparently Cullen Bunn is taking his ball and going home:
http://www.newsarama.com/26571-cullen-bunn-leaves-aquaman-over-fan-reaction.html

I'm sorry that he thinks folks were so ugly to him (and knowing the internet, he's probably not overreacting), especially given the fact that, ultimately, this is all DC's fault.  They removed the best creative team Aquaman has had in 30+ years and went with a "bold new direction" no one asked for and which was exactly the opposite of what fans clearly wanted.  They took one of the few bright, heroic books that DC was putting out and made it dark and gritty.  It was a stupid move, and while Bunn's work was certainly not awful on its own merits, it was utterly wrong for Aquaman.  I can't say how much I hated Aquaman and Mera being at odds again, and I'm pretty sure I'm in the vast majority there. 

The only question is, what happens now?  I hope against hope that they'll bring Jeff Parker back.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 19, 2015, 12:04:34 PM
So I caught up on the current Secret Six.It not nearly as good as the original series,but its not bad.Major kudos for retconing away Identity Crisis,keeping some continuity from the old series and bringing back Etrigan.  :cool:
I know its nothing official,but Geoff Johns confirmed on twitter that JSA(original) will play a part in Titans Hunt.It would be great if they would bring the JSA back.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on November 20, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Hey, good news from the Aquaman book.  Apparently Cullen Bunn is taking his ball and going home:
http://www.newsarama.com/26571-cullen-bunn-leaves-aquaman-over-fan-reaction.html

I'm sorry that he thinks folks were so ugly to him (and knowing the internet, he's probably not overreacting), especially given the fact that, ultimately, this is all DC's fault.  They removed the best creative team Aquaman has had in 30+ years and went with a "bold new direction" no one asked for an which was exactly the opposite of what fans clearly wanted.  They took one of the few bright, heroic books that DC was putting out and made it dark and gritty.  It was a stupid move, and while Bunn's work was certainly not awful on its own merits, it was utterly wrong for Aquaman.  I can't say how much I hated Aquaman and Mera being at odds again, and I'm pretty sure I'm in the vast majority there. 

The only question is, what happens now?  I hope against hope that they'll bring Jeff Parker back.
Dan Abnett's writing him next starting issue #49 (Funnily enough, #49 was the end of his run for 90s Aquaman), I haven't really read 90s Aquaman so no idea how he is. Glad to see someone else enjoyed the Parker run too. Though I think Johns confirmed he is also returning sometime in the future to do his Seven Seas Arc.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 02, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
All Star Section 8 is over.The whole DC universe might just be a dream of a drunkard dying in the gutter.Classy.But it would actually explain a lot.
In Midnighter #7 Prometheus is back.And his credibility decays yet again.From nearly defeating the JLA to getting his arse kicked by Midnighter.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 04:01:37 PM
Dan Abnett's writing him next starting issue #49 (Funnily enough, #49 was the end of his run for 90s Aquaman), I haven't really read 90s Aquaman so no idea how he is. Glad to see someone else enjoyed the Parker run too. Though I think Johns confirmed he is also returning sometime in the future to do his Seven Seas Arc.

Hmm, what's Dan Abnett done?  I heard that Johns was coming back, and I've got mixed feelings about that.  On the one hand, it means Aquaman is going to be staying around for a while, so that's good, but on the other hand, John's run was a mixed bag and he's all too modern-flavored of a writer for my tastes.  He relies on show over stay.  Still, I'm sure it will be vastly better than Bunn's run.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 02, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
Benton, Abnett (along with his frequent collaborator, Andy Lanning) is one of my favorites. His big claim to fame is the Marvel cosmic titles before Bendis took over Guardians of the Galaxy. Annihilation: Nova, Annihilation: Conquest, War of Kings, Guardians, Nova, Realm of Kings, The Thanos Imperative, Guardians 3000 and now Guardians of Infinity. He also did a run on New Mutants (which admittedly I didn't read past the first issue, so I can't speak to its quality), and did a run of Heroes of Hire that I remember liking, but not loving. He did a mini after that called Villains for Hire. As mentioned earlier in the thread, he's the writer on Titans Hunt, and back in the day he did work for Marvel U.K.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
Thanks SS, I haven't read any of those, but I've heard good things about many of them.  Here's hoping that he provides a good antidote to Bunn's disaster.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 03, 2015, 06:41:02 AM
http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2015/12/starman-omnibus-vol-3-is-coming-aquaman.html (http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2015/12/starman-omnibus-vol-3-is-coming-aquaman.html)
You will probably be interested to hear about Aquaman by Geoff Johns omnibus.Other collections include everything by Greg Rucka,Demon by Garth Ennis(hell yeah),bunch of Swamp Thing and Supergirl collections.And also Teen Titans Earth One v2 by Jeff Lemire.Btw there is a proof he can write good team titles.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 10, 2015, 05:40:00 PM
Anyone remembers Darkstars?By Keith Giffen and Travis Cherest IIRC.Its actually hard to prove the series ever existed.So my question is was the series ever collected?Was anything from the series collected?Appreciate if anyone has some info.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on December 11, 2015, 01:46:14 AM
Okay, I got a Kindle for my birthday. And, of course, there are free books galore, some of which are even worth it. One of them is a kind of overview of DC graphic novels and story arc collections.

The thing is, almost all of them are "Game Changers", and "Things Will Never Be The Same", and "Totally Changing The Future Of (The Series, The character, Comics, Et cetera). I know it's hyperbole, but it loses any effect (or enticement) when you have page after page of these.

I miss the Silver Age. Heck, I miss the Bronze Age.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 15, 2015, 07:00:15 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134011-dc-throwing-everything-at-the-wall-to-see-what-sticks-in-march-2016-solicitations.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134011-dc-throwing-everything-at-the-wall-to-see-what-sticks-in-march-2016-solicitations.html)
Lets see the future:
-Batman and Superman are back(called it)
-Supermans son might be the next Superboy,or Magog(just a theory)
-Aquawoman?
-Legends of Tommorow comic
-Grant Morrisons and Mark Millars run on Flash is collected at last.
Robert Veditti is writing Flash?I missed that somehow.
-Tellos and Parallax team up.Let me guess,it leads to an EVENT?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2015, 07:06:01 AM
Dont know how many of you are still reading Justice League,but any thought on Darkseid War?
Like any DC event in the past few years,for me,its been just ok.At least DC is consistent.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on December 19, 2015, 12:50:57 PM
Justice League is ok for now.  I think the writing was better before.  The Darksied war is not all that in my opinion.  It should have been called the Death of Darksied.  It seems like the was wasn't the big thing, it was the after effects of the war that seems to be the big thing.  Oh well, let's see how long it will last.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
Well Bat-Mite is over.It was a good run,anyway,  :)

I finally got to read this thing. It does raise a couple of questions, such as just where does Bat-Mite come from, but all in all it was fun.

How may of you are old enough to remember when DC offered Super-Mite, Bat-Mite, and Wonder-Mite dolls?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
From the Fifth Dimension,which is imagination.Then again Batman was on drugs for that explanation so its not really credible.Since they revealed the identity of Phantom Stranger(hes Judas),we need some other mysteries?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PM
From the Fifth Dimension,which is imagination.Then again Batman was on drugs for that explanation so its not really credible.Since they revealed the identity of Phantom Stranger(hes Judas),we need some other mysteries?

I mean in the whole 52 universe. I remember when they crisesed all the variant universes together that someone decided that different dimensions were not affected by Crisis or Zero Hour, so Qward (the anti-matter dimension) and Mxyzptlk's home (was it still the 5th dimension?) still existed apart from Earth Prime.

I dunno... I prefer that The Phantom Stranger were either The Wandering Jew or a half-fallen angel.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 20, 2015, 12:08:42 AM
I'm still really enjoying Justice League, unfortunately I'm behind in it. Haven't read Darkseid War: Lex Luthor yet, then I gotta read the latest issue of the main book. *sigh* There's never enough time.  :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2015, 06:42:07 AM
Previous JL(Meltzer/McDuffie) started strong,but then turned into a preview book.This one-is a mixed bag.Some good stories(Throne of Atlantis,Forever Heroes) and some mediocre ones(Villains journey).And Geoff Johns cant write Wonder Woman to save his life,I have to say.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 20, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
I'm not all that well versed on Wonder Woman, so I can't judge her in the book, but I will she was decent in the Justice League cartoon.

I could definitely talk about Meltzer and McDuffie's runs. Meltzer's I didn't really mind, except I thought the pace was a bit too decompressed and I was a bit turned off by the JSA crossover (fun fact, I never actually picked up the JSA issues of that crossover, so I only half of that storyline), though I appreciated the different cast, with characters like Red Arrow, Vixen and Geoforce.

McDuffie's run, on the other hand, I, for the most part, loved....when it actually felt like he was allowed to write it. It's fairly well documented that DC editorial screwed his book over royally, and he actually got fired from the book over it because he discussed it at length with fans on the message board. Initially he did a really fun Injustice League/Gang story with Lex Luthor in charge that really harkaned back to the JLU cartoon, which he wrote heavily for. Then the conclusion got a little rushed, and we started to get tie-ins, fill-ins, and tie-ins that were also fill-ins, so I started to clue in that something wasn't right. That being said, the work he did to fix the murky continuity involving the 2nd Doctor Light, Kimiyo Hoshi? Aces.  :thumbup: He was even one of the few writers to write her in character with her original portrayal from Crisis on Infinite Earths (that is to say, a less docile, more irritable woman) This got a lampshade in the book to boot.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2015, 11:18:38 AM
Well,its an old complaint,but Geoff Johns has trouble writing female characters.In this incarnation whenever Wonder Woman says something it about her plans to kill somebody.Seriously,check it,I can wait.And the whole Superman/Wonder Woman pairing...

Actually Injustice gang story from Mcduffie's run is one of my personal favorites,but after that its Salvation Run,Final Crisis-event after event.Meltzers Tornado Path and Lighting Saga are generally good stories.Basically Tornado Path is about JLA running a gauntlet of their old enemies.And it works pretty well.Lightning Saga restores the original LoSH.
-About the JSA series from that time-it was good while Geoff Johns was writing it,but when Bill Willingham took over it just became a mess.NOBODY liked Magog as much as Bill.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 25, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
And since we recently discussed him,its worth noting James Robins took over after McDuffie.Other then adding Starman and Congorilla,he doesnt really do anything notable.It was just mediocre IMO.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11222627_1163790520317735_4279445218500889598_n.jpg?oh=f46efd309eb36a42deca77d31de66bd9&oe=571D7018)
Grayson #17
Wildcats?Are those The Wildcats?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on January 08, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
Hey, it sounds like Neal Adams is bringing Superman back.


Yes, back from the brink...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 13, 2016, 03:44:14 PM
(http://i2.wp.com/www.comix4free.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/322757._SX640_QL80_TTD_.jpg?resize=640%2C984)
Jean Paul Valley Lives!-in a series I really hated.Cant have everything,I guess.I assume Knightfall didn't happen in this continuity?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on January 13, 2016, 07:01:47 PM
And the 90s are DEFINITELY back.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 14, 2016, 04:18:40 AM
Didn't there used to be more posts in this thread after the Superman Neal Adams post?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 14, 2016, 06:48:16 AM
And the 90s are DEFINITELY back.
From what I have seen of BAR eternal (well,glanced in 2 issues) its very 90's.In a sort of Youngbloods-are-holding-an-audition way.
Neal Addams is writing Coming of Supermen IIRC?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 14, 2016, 09:03:14 AM
I'm pretty sure this Neal Adams Superman comic is the one I mentioned hearing about from him back he did signings at my local book store this past year. I know he mentioned that it had to do with the New Gods.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 14, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
www.dccomics.com/comics/superman-the-coming-of-the-supermen-2015/superman-the-coming-of-the-supermen-1 (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/superman-the-coming-of-the-supermen-2015/superman-the-coming-of-the-supermen-1)
Pretty sure thats Coming of Supermen.Multiple Supermen unite against Darkseid,or something like that.Still,sounds interesting.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 20, 2016, 06:25:56 AM
www.comicsbeat.com/dc-announces-free-comic-book-day-offerings/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-announces-free-comic-book-day-offerings/)
A comic targeted at kids and Suicide Squad just in time for the movie?Thats actually pretty clever.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 20, 2016, 07:01:50 AM
www.newsarama.com/27600-dc-comics-april-2016-solicitations.html (http://www.newsarama.com/27600-dc-comics-april-2016-solicitations.html)
Scott Lobdell takes over as writer of Titans Hunt.Thats just great...just great...
Bloodlines.Im serious,Bloodline by J.T Krul.That can only end in good...Thou if Hitman is canon(as seen in Batman and Section Eight) didnt Bloodlines happen in this universe then?Thou,its a good chance to bring Tommy back.I hope DC catches up on that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on January 22, 2016, 07:37:36 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/22/dc-comics-to-relaunch-everything-with-1s-again-this-summer-with-a-filmtv-bent/

Maybe we should call this topic DC Comics Reboot Reboot.  They are trying to be like Marvel and adjust their books to the movies and TV shows for guarantee sales.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on January 22, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/22/dc-comics-to-relaunch-everything-with-1s-again-this-summer-with-a-filmtv-bent/

Maybe we should call this topic DC Comics Reboot Reboot.  They are trying to be like Marvel and adjust their books to the movies and TV shows for guarantee sales.

Ha, I'm sure that will work out great for them. :P  It isn't like that's the same, shrinking market they'er already fighting over or anything...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 23, 2016, 07:11:44 AM
Also Scott Snyder is leaving after Batman #52.There goes one book that was actually selling.
Like Rob Liefeld said-they just dont have the talent for something like this.Editorial talent in their case.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on January 23, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
Also Scott Snyder is leaving after Batman #52.There goes one book that was actually selling.

Sort of. Sure, he's leaving Batman, but he's still actually writing Batman via Detective Comics. So I'm not really sure you can say he's leaving Batman when he's still writing the same one character. Heck, his Detective Comics might even be a straight continuation of his Batman run for all we know.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on January 24, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
Also Scott Snyder is leaving after Batman #52.There goes one book that was actually selling.
Like Rob Liefeld said-they just dont have the talent for something like this.Editorial talent in their case.

One of the very few times I agree with Liefeld on something.

You know what I hate most about DC restarting all their comics in general? I was looking forward to buying Action Comics #1000 one day when I was a kid. So much for that happening. And even if DC decides to number the issue that would be #1000 if they hadn't done reboots, I'll likely not purchase it. The only properly renumbered comics I ever bought were issues of Captain America and Wonder Woman, and that was only because I was subscribing to both comics through a shop at the time.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on January 28, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
So a while back, there were rumors that DC was going to do another reboot. Again. The good news is that DC isn't doing another reboot, at least in terms of the main DC Universe; they're doing a relaunch, but it isn't really the same thing. The weird news is just what DC is rebooting:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/28/jim-lee-revamps-scooby-doo-for-dc-mad-max-designer-on-wacky-races-amanda-conner-on-the-flintstones-comics/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/28/jim-lee-revamps-scooby-doo-for-dc-mad-max-designer-on-wacky-races-amanda-conner-on-the-flintstones-comics/)

You read that right. Scooby Doo, Flintstones, and Wacky Races are all getting revamps of one sort or another. Flintstones looks like it'll be the closest to its' source material, but Scooby Doo and especially Wacky Races are both getting post-apocalyptic makeovers. On top of that, they're also taking a League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Approach with Hanna Barbara's action/adventure cartoons such as Johnny Quest, Space Ghost, and many more, merging them into one universe and giving them one big book; Future Quest. That's the one I'll be most interested in personally. I can't really see myself checking out the others other than to make sure they actually exist.

DC's pretty darn confident that these new books will easily hit the Top Sellers list, but I'm not so sure. DC publishes a regular old-fashioned Scooby Doo comic already, and you don't really see that at the top of the charts. Again, I'm still kind of looking forward to Future Quest, but I'm not so sure about everything else.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 28, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
Main DC universe will just be renumbered IIRC.
Jim Lee and Keith Giffen are working on Scooby Doo?Thats interesting.Also,its nice somebody is doing something for the kids.THINK OF THE KIDS! :-)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on January 28, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
Those meddling kids!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on January 30, 2016, 02:02:54 PM
I'm looking forward to the new Scooby Doo book.  It's a cross between Scooby Doo and The Walking Dead

http://www.polygon.com/comics/2016/1/28/10858874/scooby-apocalypse-dc-comics-hanna-barbera
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on February 02, 2016, 05:12:01 PM
DC Comics Rebirth: Rumoured Cancelled Comics Include Starfire, Midnighter And Black Canary

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/dc-comics-rebirth-rumoured-cancelled-comics-include-starfire-midnighter-and-black-canary/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 02, 2016, 05:35:35 PM
Yes,cancel those fans and critics liked!At this point Im sure DC is trying to commit suicide.
-Then again its Rich Johnson-so its probably isnt entirely true.Writer X,come on...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on February 03, 2016, 01:21:21 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/dc-comics-rebirth-a-new-justice-society-of-america-ongoing-title-to-launch/

According to Bleeding Cool, DC's bringing back the Justice Society back. And no, it has nothing to do with Earth 2; this will apparently be a bonafide main Earth 'Fought in WWII' JSA. Mind you, it might just be BS as there's no official evidence yet, but a part of me is wishing SOOOOOOOOO hard that this is true. The JSA is one of my favorite Superteams of all time, and I'd be stoked to see them get another book in the main DCU.

Also, new Doom Patrol: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/gerard-way-and-becky-cloonans-doom-patrol-being-revived/

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 03, 2016, 01:51:50 AM
I might actually read a 40s or 50s era JSA book free of the toxic main continuity of the NDCU.  I could totally get behind that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on February 03, 2016, 02:07:14 AM
I might actually read a 40s or 50s era JSA book free of the toxic main continuity of the NDCU.  I could totally get behind that.

Uh, about that:

Quote
But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America.

So, they still fought in WWII, but they'll be transported to the present day from the 40's. Which, considering that the previous JSA series took place day in the present day and was still awesome,  I don't have much of a problem with. What I might have a problem with is that this implies that they'll be mainly using the 40's&50's JSA'ers as opposed to the ones from the 90's&00's series (which if you haven't read yet Benton, you owe it to yourself to do so; trust me on this,), but if it goes on long enough, maybe they'll bring in the 90's&00's crew later on. A man can dream...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on February 03, 2016, 02:56:14 AM
The one thing I hated most about the DC reboot was them wiping out the original JSA and replacing it with all new characters with the same names and nothing else. Especially since Jay Garrick is my favorite Flash and Alan Scott my favorite Green Lantern.



Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 03, 2016, 02:57:20 AM
Well, there goes my interest.

Kk, I've read a bit of those stories, and I've certainly enjoyed them.  They're in an era I don't much care for, though.  They are on my list, nonetheless.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 03, 2016, 06:45:11 AM
Agree with KK here,JSA by James Robinson(he was still good back then) and Geoff Johns is one of DCs greatest series ever.Continuing Justice Society series was also pretty good until Johns left.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on February 03, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/dc-comics-rebirth-a-new-justice-society-of-america-ongoing-title-to-launch/

According to Bleeding Cool, DC's bringing back the Justice Society back. And no, it has nothing to do with Earth 2; this will apparently be a bonafide main Earth 'Fought in WWII' JSA. Mind you, it might just be BS as there's no official evidence yet, but a part of me is wishing SOOOOOOOOO hard that this is true. The JSA is one of my favorite Superteams of all time, and I'd be stoked to see them get another book in the main DCU.

Also, new Doom Patrol: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/gerard-way-and-becky-cloonans-doom-patrol-being-revived/

That doesn't look like the Doom Patrol I grew up with. It doesn't look like John Byrne's, either.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on February 16, 2016, 01:45:34 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/dc-comics-rebirth-a-new-justice-society-of-america-ongoing-title-to-launch/

According to Bleeding Cool, DC's bringing back the Justice Society back. And no, it has nothing to do with Earth 2; this will apparently be a bonafide main Earth 'Fought in WWII' JSA. Mind you, it might just be BS as there's no official evidence yet, but a part of me is wishing SOOOOOOOOO hard that this is true. The JSA is one of my favorite Superteams of all time, and I'd be stoked to see them get another book in the main DCU.

Also, new Doom Patrol: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/gerard-way-and-becky-cloonans-doom-patrol-being-revived/

That doesn't look like the Doom Patrol I grew up with. It doesn't looke like John Byrne's, either.

Ugh....where's Rita, the Chief?  Is that Robotman on the far left and is that supposed to be Negative Man on the far right?  Who are the other two characters (they don't look like Doom Patrol freak material to me)?  We've already seen the Doom Patrol in Justice League and Cliff/Robotman in JLU...why throw another curve ball at the fans of the team?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on February 16, 2016, 02:43:40 AM
Is it just me, or is there something about that image that reeks of hipsters?  I can't put my finger on it...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on February 16, 2016, 05:09:03 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/dc-comics-rebirth-a-new-justice-society-of-america-ongoing-title-to-launch/

According to Bleeding Cool, DC's bringing back the Justice Society back. And no, it has nothing to do with Earth 2; this will apparently be a bonafide main Earth 'Fought in WWII' JSA. Mind you, it might just be BS as there's no official evidence yet, but a part of me is wishing SOOOOOOOOO hard that this is true. The JSA is one of my favorite Superteams of all time, and I'd be stoked to see them get another book in the main DCU.

Also, new Doom Patrol: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/02/gerard-way-and-becky-cloonans-doom-patrol-being-revived/

That doesn't look like the Doom Patrol I grew up with. It doesn't looke like John Byrne's, either.

Ugh....where's Rita, the Chief?  Is that Robotman on the far left and is that supposed to be Negative Man on the far right?  Who are the other two characters (they don't look like Doom Patrol freak material to me)?  We've already seen the Doom Patrol in Justice League and Cliff/Robotman in JLU...why throw another curve ball at the fans of the team?

Rita wasn't in the Morrison!Patrol, so as much as I hate to say it, she doesn't actually need to be there. (Even though she should be.) Speaking of which, the girl in the back might be Crazy Jane, though she could also be Rita with a new coat of paint. The guy in the back left could be Mento, judging by the purple glasses. (Purple was a main color for one of his costumes. ) As for the Chief, just because he isn't on the cover doesn't mean he's not in the book. He doesn't actually go out in combat and the like, so I guess the cover artist felt that he didn't need to be on there because of that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 21, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-announces-full-rebirth-line-twice-monthly-books-lowered-price-point (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-announces-full-rebirth-line-twice-monthly-books-lowered-price-point)
So basically-Mostly everything will be renumbered as #1 except Action and Detective comics which will go back to original numbering,prices are back at 2.99(so they say).Midnighter and Starfire are canceled.Blue Beetle is back,that's one good news.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on February 25, 2016, 03:21:54 AM
Secret Six appears to be cancelled, which I'm sad about, but I was fully expecting. The final issue seems to be the May one.
Johns is leaving Justice League after Darkseid War. Loved his run, it was great, curious who's taking over. There's going to be a new Justice League book and a new JLA, so we'll have to wait and see if it's still Hitch on JLA (who's not drawing it anymore, since he couldn't get it out on time), or someone else.
Johns is doing the DC Rebirth one shot, with art by Van Sciver and Ivan Reis. Dan Didio says the book contains the single most controversial scene in his entire time on DC comics (which is probably saying something). I'm probably going to be picking that one-shot up due to the creative team.
Jim Lee is going to be one of the rotating artists on the new Suicide Squad book, no doubt getting a push due to the movie. I'm curious to see who the writer will be because I might be willing to pick it up based on that.

Depending on the creative teams for the books, I might be picking up no DC titles going forward, which I'm sure is the exact opposite of what DC wants.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on February 25, 2016, 04:58:07 AM

Depending on the creative teams for the books, I might be picking up no DC titles going forward, which I'm sure is the exact opposite of what DC wants.

If they're actually putting out that rumored JSA book, I might pick that up, (since the JSA is one of my favorite Superteams and all,) but other than that, I'd be picking up just as many DC titles as I currently do: 0. ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 27, 2016, 05:53:47 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/26/green-lantern-vs-green-lantern-for-green-lantern-50/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/26/green-lantern-vs-green-lantern-for-green-lantern-50/)
Another familiar face shows up after Convergence.Its Parallax.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 04, 2016, 06:24:24 AM
dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/140358104191/batgirl-49-changes-everything (http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/140358104191/batgirl-49-changes-everything)
So the Killing Joke got retconed?I doubt that will stick...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: JeyNyce on March 27, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
I'm surprise nobody mention this.  This is kinda big news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeclvTBvADI

Skip the first 30 mins and then the show starts
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 27, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12919776_10154068500962855_2545763008586363779_n.jpg?oh=51b0bb85cadc295515b1b7d107020b1e&oe=577C8832)
Just to mention this teaser.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134884-wondercon-dc-reveals-details-of-rebirth-afterbirth-at-anticipated-press-conference.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134884-wondercon-dc-reveals-details-of-rebirth-afterbirth-at-anticipated-press-conference.html)
Outhouse has a play-by-play.
-All Star Batman by Scott Snyder and JR Jr.
-Dan Jurgens on Action comics
-Greg Rucka back writing Wonder Woman
-Dan Abnett on Titans
-Christopher Priest on Deathstroke(that's really interesting)
-Blue Beetle by Keith Giffen
I was wrong before,but this looks promising.  :cool:
On the other hand:
-no sign of Wildstorm
-Scott Lobdell
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on March 27, 2016, 06:27:47 PM
Already saw the new batsuit in issue 50 and I like it. Much fewer lines than the new 52 suit, belt and symbol will take some time getting use to, but it's something new, they could have just gone with plain black symbol and yellow belt, I like that they went with something different. Superman and Wonder Woman are more or less their movie costumes and I think they both look great. Ideally supes would have yellow belt and full red boots, but this looks good as well IMO.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 28, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
That's a sweet teaser but I've gotta say it:

I hate Damien and Superboy's new costumes. Damien's looks way too busy (at least in this image) and Superboy looks like he's at least 10 years younger than he was before.

Also, Geoff Johns and Jason Fabok have confirmed that we, the audience, will learn the Joker's real name in Justice League #50.
I've been loving Darkseid War (when in the world is the next issue coming out? It feels like it's been forever) but I'm iffy on this. I'm not sure we need to know the Joker's name and if it's got plot significance or reveals something different about the character it risks mucking around with the character's history.

Now, on the topic of the Joker's history:

Post-Crisis, but Pre-Flashpoint, there was a sequence in the second Robin miniseries, Robin II: Joker's Wild, where Joker's goons break Joker out of Arkham by disguising one of them as his mother and visiting him. The staff accepts "her" as The Joker's mother, which always made me think "Does that mean they have the Joker's name and next of kin on record?" We never find out, and that's story's probably non canon in New 52.

Here's some canonical factoids I gleaned from the DC wiki:

-According to Scott Snyder's run: "Even before becoming the Joker, his DNA was not available on any records." Similar to the lack of DNA or fingerprints on file in The Dark Knight
-One of his multiple choice origins (as told in a Villains month Joker point-one issue) was that he had an abusive relative who bleached his face (again, similar to one in the Dark Knight)
-Scott Snyder's Batman arc "Endgame" apparently had a number of possible details about the Joker's origin. As I've not read that story line yet but plan to in the near future, I'm going to absolve from reading any spoilers on it. I did however have one spoiled when it came out, which was an especially bizarre origin I'm pretty sure I hate.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 28, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
Actually,this Superboy is Jon Kent,Pre-Flashpoint Superman's son(If I got everything right).So he is 10 years younger.
-About Jokers identity,this is kinda similar to Phantom Stranger situation.It would be better if they didnt tell us.There needs to be some mystery.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 28, 2016, 10:38:58 AM
re: Superboy: oh ok, didn't know that. Cool.

re: Joker: I think I agree with you. To give context: I saw The 1989 Tim Burton as a kid, where Joker was gangster Jack Napier and killed Batman's parents, and I didn't know any better. I didn't know the comics, so I didn't know that Burton et all added that part. So when I saw Batman TAS I was like "Why does Batman not hate the Joker? Didn't he kill his parents?" (muddling the issue is that TAS had an easter egg reference to the name "Jack Napier" as Joker, in, iirc, the episode "Joker's Wild"). So of course later on I learned about The Killing Joke, and the older stories that influenced it, and later read TKJ (which I still love, despite the fridging of Barbara) and that was my understanding of Joker.

There's a number of ways you can look at it. Since I loved Heath Ledger's take on Joker in The Dark Knight, where he was, simply put, a terrorist, and an anarchist (which he calls himself), I think the Joker is scarier and more unpredictable when you don't know where he comes from.

Now once again, Post-Crisis but Pre-Flashpoint, there's a fill in issue of the Morrison/Mark Waid era JLA where Martian Manhunter and Spectre look inside the mind of the Joker and MM is shocked to see the Joker visualized as a happy, well-mannered Jimmy Stewart style father figure in a comfy armchair by a fireplace. Impossible! How could have the Joker have a good, pure man buried deep inside? Because he's just a man, a human being, but one who went crazy like most of Batman's villains. So while I like being have a vague backstory, the one thing I think should be rock solid is he's a normal human being, not something supernatural.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 28, 2016, 11:04:41 AM
IIRC Batman TAS also had a minor case of multiple past with Joker.In one episode he has a grudge with a comedy club because hes a failed comedian,but in Mask of Phantasm he was a hitman for the mafia.
There was actually a lot of stuff I missed in BTAS as a kid,like an episode that (sorta) adapted Dark Knight Returns.
Going a bit off topic here...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on March 28, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
I can imagine The Joker giving a list of "relatives" as a contingency plan to get him out of jail. At least, I can imagine an earlier incarnation of The Joker doing that.

"Why, yes, my real name is Ormond Sacker, my mother's name is Egatherine, my father Hephaestus."

Then there was the story where Batman met The Joker's brother, a man named Repain, or something like that.

But, no, we don't need to know The Joker's real name. But it won't matter: next reboot it will change.

Although... the only thing that will really make me mad is if his last name is Wayne...

Joker: "I am your father."

Batman: "NNnnnooooooooo..."
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 28, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
They already did that 2-3 times,so it wouldnt suprise me if they repeat the same twist.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on March 28, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Iirc, there was a comic with the Joker's nephew in it, and he almost called Joker by his real name, only to be interrupted. The first letter, which is all he got to say, was a J.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on March 28, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
Iirc, there was a comic with the Joker's nephew in it, and he almost called Joker by his real name, only to be interrupted. The first letter, which is all he got to say, was a J.

So, the Joker's real name is Joker? ;)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: spydermann93 on March 28, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
Iirc, there was a comic with the Joker's nephew in it, and he almost called Joker by his real name, only to be interrupted. The first letter, which is all he got to say, was a J.

So, the Joker's real name is Joker? ;)

It's actually "Joseph Curr".
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on March 28, 2016, 11:16:05 PM
I thought it was Joe Kerr...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: spydermann93 on March 29, 2016, 12:34:59 AM
I thought it was Joe Kerr...

Wait, really? Oh my, I was only joking :blink:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on March 29, 2016, 01:21:02 AM
So was he...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 29, 2016, 01:26:30 AM
In the Gotham tv show it was Jerome. Well, they weren't clear on whether he was the "real" Joker, but he certainly acted like him.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2016, 06:24:21 AM
Doesnt Grant Morrison explain it as Joker having some weird syndrome,where he doesnt have a constant personality like the rest of us?So he has to reinvent himself from scratch every so often.One day he pulls harmless pranks,one day he blows up buildings.
Which would mean that "Going sane" probably happened a few times...
Point being,sometimes he remembers it one way,sometimes the other.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 29, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
So Tony Daniel is the writer for the relaunched Justice League. Meh. Tell me what the story's about, than maybe I'll be interested.

DC has said they're telling the creative team on JLA just yet. I'm looking forward to finding out.

June's issues of Justice League, however...

Noticed in the solicits that issue #51 of Justice League, showing the aftermath of Darkseid War, is written by Dan Jurgens. I'm on board with that. #52 is a flashback story by Dan Abnett leading into Titans: Rebirth, showing Batman and Robin fighting alongside the Justice League in Year One of the New #52 Justice League. That sounds awesome! I'm definitely picking both of those up. Both issues will be drawn by Paul Peletier, who was great on the Abnett and Lanning Guardians of the Galaxy books.

Oh, a little late to mention, but did everybody get their free Jeph Loeb/Ed McGuinness Superman/Batman #1 last week? I got mine both print and digital. Sorry I should have mentioned here last week but I didn't think to.

Batman: The Killing Joke is getting a new printing in June. Superman: Funeral for A Friend, Reign of the Supermen, Return of Superman, and Superman: Doomsday (a miniseries that came out after Death of Superman) are all getting new printings in June. prior to that, there was a trade that came out recently called "Superman and the Justice League of America" reprinting the early 90's Dan Jurgen's Justice League just prior to the Death of Superman, which they promote in the solicit text. I'm probably going to get that. I don't have the Death of Superman trade, but I do have a volume of Funeral For A Friend already that I got on the cheap a few years ago (back when it was out of print and expensive as sin. I think I got mine for 5 or 10 bucks). Haven't read it though, really want to sometime. I wouldn't mind that other trades, I've read a few of the 90's Superman comics pretty early when I got into comics and I liked them.

In addition to Vol. 4 of the John Ostrander Suicide Squad (which I've pre-ordered, alone with Vol.3, during a Amazon book sale), DC is reprinting a hardcover of the Silver Age Suicide Squad, featuring Rick Flagg Sr.

Surprisingly no $1 reprints that month. I was kinda expecting a Suicide Squad #1.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2016, 02:49:30 PM
Is Hitch-es Justice League the main JL title after Rebirth?

It seems that Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz are now the main GLs.As you could expect,some fans dont like that.
And DC has been critiqued for the lack of diversity on their creative staff.
Feels like I heard all those before...Like just a few months ago...Maybe it was a different company or something.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 29, 2016, 03:24:46 PM
JLA might be the flagship book, but they haven't announced who's doing it and guaran-flipping-tee it ain't going to be Hitch. 
Hitch can't get a monthly out to save his life and DC's doing twice monthly, albeit with two sets of artists but still.

Hitch's JLA got so delayed they did a fill in issue right in the middle of his story that was just pretty much an issue of Martian Manhunter with JLA on the cover. I distinctly remember the second issue was late, it was one of the reasons I didn't bother buying the rest until Boxing Day sale. Now the issues are drawn by Neil Edwards (who worked on Jeff Parker's Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers after Kev Walker walked on out) and he's got the Hitch aesthetic, but nowhere near the talent last time I checked. Not to mention that Hitch's JLA seemed from the start to be in some kind of pseudo-continuity of its own, using the New 52 roster of Justice League but leaving out important additions like Lex Luthor and Jessica Crux, while Cyborg's in the wrong costume and characters like Supes, Bats and Wonder Woman are even less synced with their at the time status quos than they are in Darkseid war.

Speaking of DC Rebirth titles, (and Suicide Squad in my earlier post), I'm genuinely disappointed in the Suicide Squad announcement. When they announced that Jim Lee was going to be one of the rotating artists, indicating a big push to coincide with the movie I was genuinely hoping Geoff Johns himself was going to write it himself, but no it's just Rob Williams, with a movie-style roster.  Pass. Meanwhile no more Secret Six by Simone grumble grumble.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 29, 2016, 03:54:09 PM
I assumed his JLA happens at the start of N52,or its early years.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-rebirth-arrives-in-june-2016-solicitations-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-rebirth-arrives-in-june-2016-solicitations-2016)
Here are the solicitations.Hitch has JLA #12 and JLA annual.Hes still around,Im afraid.I just figured to wait for a collection or two,anyway.Maybe.
And J.T Krul is really writing Bloodlines?I was convinced that was a joke.And ofc,no Tommy Monaghan in sight.Kinda defeats the whole purpose of Bloodlines.(but then again Section 8 also had its own continuity)
Teen Titans Earth One vol2.
More Demon by Garth Ennis.
Nice...
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 08, 2016, 06:58:43 AM
http://www.newsarama.com/28744-doom-patrol-leads-new-dc-imprint-by-gerard-way.html (http://www.newsarama.com/28744-doom-patrol-leads-new-dc-imprint-by-gerard-way.html)
DC is getting a new imprint(Young Animal...yes,really),headed by Gerard Way.Series being:
-Doom Patrol
-Shade,the changing girl(yes,girl)
-CAVE CARSON HAS A CYBERNETIC EYE
-Mother Panic
Its some borderline between DC and Vertigo,I guess.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 12, 2016, 07:32:51 AM
Behold, Superman's new costume:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/supermans-rebirth-costume-concept-art-revealed (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/supermans-rebirth-costume-concept-art-revealed)

I quite like it. It strikes a good balance between classic and modern. I think it's them getting rid of the high collar that really makes the whole thing come together. That combined with the classic S Shield just makes him look like classic Superman to me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on April 12, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
Ehh, it has most of the problems of the New 52 one, and now they've gotten rid of the red boots!  That makes the design even less balanced.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on April 12, 2016, 01:47:53 PM
I like the look from the waist up, basically.  No more stupid, busy armour lines or high collar, better S-shield, and spit-curl back in place--these are all good things.  The stupid angled cuffs are still there at the wrists, and there's too much blue without the red boots and trunks.  The red belt helps break it up a little, but not enough.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on April 12, 2016, 02:13:57 PM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: trebean on April 12, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
I feel like Tomasi's design was much better. Mainly because of the red boots and the yellow belt.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 12, 2016, 05:11:03 PM
Wonder Woman Earth One...that was...unique.Definitively my least-favourite Earth One novel.I gotta a feeling saying anything else could ignite an argument so...
Rebirth is an attempt at bringing the old continuity back,yet no sign of Justice Society.Thats disappointing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on April 13, 2016, 02:48:33 PM
Rebirth is an attempt at bringing the old continuity back,yet no sign of Justice Society.Thats disappointing.

Don't count 'em out just yet: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/12/bleeding-cool-sees-the-back-of-dc-comics-rebirth-and-the-return-of-the-jsa/
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 13, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
Rebirth is an attempt at bringing the old continuity back,yet no sign of Justice Society.Thats disappointing.

Don't count 'em out just yet: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/12/bleeding-cool-sees-the-back-of-dc-comics-rebirth-and-the-return-of-the-jsa/

I missed that
Awesome  :thumbup:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 21, 2016, 05:40:04 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-departure?utm_campaign=dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-d&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-departure?utm_campaign=dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-d&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner)

As part of their restructuring,DC fires Vertigo editor Shelly Bond,from now on Vertigo will report directly to Dan DiDio and Jim Lee.Because we know what great job they are doing.  :banghead:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on April 21, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-departure?utm_campaign=dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-d&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-departure?utm_campaign=dc-comics-restructuring-vertigo-imprint-announces-shelly-bonds-d&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner)

As part of their restructuring,DC fires Vertigo editor Shelly Bond,from now on Vertigo will report directly to Dan DiDio and Jim Lee.Because we know what great job they are doing.  :banghead:

Sadly, I feel like Vertigo's days are numbered at this point.  For whatever reasons (corporate mismanagement and ungenerous contract stipulations I've heard), most of the books that would have been Vertigo books a decade ago have instead all ended up at Image.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on April 21, 2016, 03:04:31 PM
Doom Patrol?  I'm kind of scared of what they might be doing with them.  Why do they need to pay tribute to Grant Morrison?  Why pay tribute to anybody, besides the men who created them in the first place?

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on April 21, 2016, 03:42:31 PM
Doom Patrol?  I'm kind of scared of what they might be doing with them.  Why do they need to pay tribute to Grant Morrison?  Why pay tribute to anybody, besides the men who created them in the first place?

Dana

Because to most people these days, Grant Morrison is the Doom Patrol. That's the one most people have actually read, for better or worse.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 21, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Hes their true father,provider of the definitive take on the characters,like Alan Moore to Swamp Thing,Claremont to X-men,Garth Ennis to Punisher,Frank Miller to Daredevil,and so on.

Thou,Grant himself started going downhill lately...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 21, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html)

It looks like the restructuring opened some unpleasant question about some other editors.How will DC get out of this one?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on April 21, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
Hes their true father,provider of the definitive take on the characters,like Alan Moore to Swamp Thing,Claremont to X-men,Garth Ennis to Punisher,Frank Miller to Daredevil,and so on.

Thou,Grant himself started going downhill lately...

I'll take Arnold Drake and Bruno Premani any day...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 22, 2016, 05:21:21 AM
Ofc,it can be a subjective thing. :)
With its most famous properties moving to regular DC or Young Animal,there isnt really much left of Vertigo.And the creators involved are really not happy with the whole development.
Idk...great job?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on April 22, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html)

It looks like the restructuring opened some unpleasant question about some other editors.How will DC get out of this one?

I'm thinking some sort of 'death with honour' situation at this point, like a disgraced Roman senator, or seppuku. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 24, 2016, 05:03:00 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135165-dan-slott-reprimanded-for-reckless-tweeting-in-lame-attempt-to-discredit-berganza-reports.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135165-dan-slott-reprimanded-for-reckless-tweeting-in-lame-attempt-to-discredit-berganza-reports.html)
Things escalate as Dan Slott jumps in.2 great answers to him:
Tom Brevoort: Tweet less,write more.
Fabian Nicieza: Tweet less,period.
DC still remains silent.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on April 24, 2016, 05:34:35 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html)

It looks like the restructuring opened some unpleasant question about some other editors.How will DC get out of this one?

I'm thinking some sort of 'death with honour' situation at this point, like a disgraced Roman senator, or seppuku.

We should be so lucky.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on April 24, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135141-dc-restructures-vertigo-fires-shelly-bond-provokes-naming-of-open-secret-sexual-harasser-in-upper-management.html)

It looks like the restructuring opened some unpleasant question about some other editors.How will DC get out of this one?

I'm thinking some sort of 'death with honour' situation at this point, like a disgraced Roman senator, or seppuku.

We should be so lucky.

Now, granted that my comic reading has dropped off in the past couple of years for a variety of reasons, but I realized recently that the only DC or Vertigo book I read any more is Astro City.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 24, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
Its more about company policy this time.Namely,editor Eddie Berganza is a suspected sexual harasser(for years now),and DC refuses to comment on it.That would be it,in a nutshell.Ofc,it sent waves thru the internet and news-sites.
We will see how the situation develops.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 04, 2016, 05:55:09 PM
So Midnighter is over.It felt a bit rushed.Still cant believe that they went 2 whole series without him encountering Batman.Come on people,focus...
There is an editorial by Geoff Johns in the back.Rebirth is not a reboot,we hope to welcome returning readers and stuff like that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: cmdrkoenig67 on May 05, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
Hes their true father,provider of the definitive take on the characters,like Alan Moore to Swamp Thing,Claremont to X-men,Garth Ennis to Punisher,Frank Miller to Daredevil,and so on.

Thou,Grant himself started going downhill lately...

I'll take Arnold Drake and Bruno Premani any day...

Ditto, Globby.

Dana
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 05, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/29144-rebirth-green-arrow-writer-ollie-is-a-social-justice-warrior.html (http://www.newsarama.com/29144-rebirth-green-arrow-writer-ollie-is-a-social-justice-warrior.html)
After Rebirth,Green Arrow returns to fighting for social justice.As Social Justice Warrior.
I honestly expected them to go for more synergy with the TV show.Not that synergy actually works,but...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 14, 2016, 05:14:03 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-entertainment-addresses-harassment-issues-plans-to-review-and-expand-policies (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-entertainment-addresses-harassment-issues-plans-to-review-and-expand-policies)
And it only took three weeks...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on May 14, 2016, 03:33:49 PM
took 3 weeks and they're barely doing anything. I've basically been following this story off and on from before he was officially named, and the fact that this is all they're doing is insulting. I have friends who are victims of this kind of nonsense, and the fact that Eddie Berganza is still in upper management, much less senior editor in charge of WONDER WOMAN, offends me to no end.

I wasn't really buying DC books anyway, but I definitely will not be buying or reading any now.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 14, 2016, 04:57:44 PM
Im not sure that boycot would solve anything.But demanding some trasparency from DC is an option.
In other un-related news,Darwyn Cooke died this morning. :(
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on May 14, 2016, 10:42:46 PM
Oh, I know it won't, but I really can't stomach the idea of spending time and money on a company that's been perfectly content to sweep sexual harassment under the rug for 4 years.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 15, 2016, 04:54:02 AM
Well,even this minimum wouldnt happen if people havent been asking questions on social media.So,the fans can make some difference.
Which also caused Dan DiDio to shut down his twitter.And Dan Slott to argue with everyone.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 17, 2016, 04:12:24 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/all-star-batman-the-hellblazer-more-arrive-in-dc-comics-august-solicitations (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/all-star-batman-the-hellblazer-more-arrive-in-dc-comics-august-solicitations)
August solicitacions:
Superwoman series?Didnt expect that.
SIXPACK AND DOGWELDER: HARD-TRAVELING HEROZ  :D
And some Bob Haney stuff collected.
Its mostly Superman,Batman and Teen Titans titles.And Suicide Squad.No surprises there.
-Anyone read Christopher Priests Ray?Is it similar to Invincible as people claim?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Tomato on May 17, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
http://screenrant.com/dc-comics-movies-tv-show-rebirth-logo/

Not that the logo is that big a deal... but really? Didn't they like... JUST change it?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 18, 2016, 04:15:10 AM
(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2012/01/dclogo08.jpg)
Bullet was the best.They should have gone back to that.
Anyhow,the new one is still better then the overlaped D and C.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Epimethee on May 21, 2016, 01:42:42 AM
That new logo is… amateurish. Who designed it? Marissa Mayer?

The previous logo, while not perfect, at least had an interesting concept. Not a huge fan of the bullet, as it screams “late 70s sport team”, but I agree that it would have been better than the new one and, for that matter, than the 2005 swirl. (Why did every logo from the late nineties had to have a stupid swirl? and was DC so outdated that they had to copy such a hackneyed pattern?)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 21, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
(http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/DC-Logos-Timeline.jpg)
To be fair,new logo is pretty similar to the pre-bullet ones.And most of their competition are even lazier with logos.
Thou,the C is a bit clunky.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 21, 2016, 02:17:31 PM
Looks like details of Rebirth got leaked on reddit.Somebody got Rebirth #1 and took photos.
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And the biggest one:
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:blink: If half of that is correct(otherwise kudos for photoshop skills),its going to be freaking weird.  :wacko:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on May 21, 2016, 02:26:35 PM
Looks like details of Rebirth got leaked on reddit.Somebody got Rebirth #1 and took photos.
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And the biggest one:
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:blink: If half of that is correct(otherwise kudos for photoshop skills),its going to be freaking weird.  :wacko:

...

WHY?!
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on May 21, 2016, 03:57:47 PM
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Post by: HarryTrotter on May 21, 2016, 04:10:16 PM
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Or it always was his hand?This is confusing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on May 21, 2016, 07:58:00 PM
The description I saw described it in a very meta way...
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 23, 2016, 06:02:30 PM
Geoff Johns confirmed everything in an interview for USA Today.
Nice that they are trying to win back old readers.Not sure it will work,but nice of them.
On the other hand...
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 25, 2016, 09:42:21 AM
DC Rebirth #1
(http://www.spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/True-All-Of-It-HanSolo-300x212.jpg)
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Still a bit better then I expected.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: abenavides on May 25, 2016, 01:48:17 PM
Buying this later today. And I seldom pick up single comics anymore.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 25, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
I guess Im just that good at sales. :)
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 27, 2016, 12:33:13 AM
Guys, can we at least try not to spoil the book outside of spoiler tags? The bloody thing just came out yesterday.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on May 27, 2016, 01:59:06 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on May 27, 2016, 02:03:26 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on May 27, 2016, 03:38:14 AM
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 27, 2016, 05:18:19 AM
Okay,so how right is it for DC to use
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characters,considering how they treated their creators?
Last year,Outhouse joked that Jim Lee is redrawing
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  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 27, 2016, 05:59:18 AM
I appreciate that you guys tagged the spoilers.
Spade, not for nothing, but the thing you're talking about in your last post? You blew it earlier in the thread.

Okay,so how right is it for DC to use
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characters,considering how they treated their creators?
Last year,Outhouse joked that Jim Lee is redrawing
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  :rolleyes:

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I should probably mention what I thought of the book itself eh? I quite liked it.  It's pretty much "Author's Saving Throw the comic" but I'm fine with that and most of the new developments actually do have me intrigued for future stories.

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I read JL first, because it comes first (and just for the record, that WW thing was a major reveal in JL, so It's ALSO a spoiler) and while admittedly it was starting to turn into a shonen manga with all the bullcrap plot twists at the end, I liked that too. I'm still loving the direction with Lex Luthor (who IMO was the best part of Johns' run to begin with) and as it stands, I gotta say, I'm genuinely tempted to pick up Action Comics starring Lex Luthor. I'm already picking up JL #51 and #52, and one of them is a pilot for that run. I can't remember which one though, because DC recently announced they were swapping them around, but whatever. Plus I like Dan Jurgens, so there's that. I've actually been tempted to pick up some Superman runs from the last few years anyway.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 27, 2016, 07:41:29 AM
Sorry about that,forgot to spoiler tag it.  :unsure:
Linkara really took the scarab thing to heart.And yes,killing
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wasnt really necessary.And yes,Infinite Crisis already addressed same problems.
And DCs track record with
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I guess Im somewhat optimistic about the whole thing.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bearded on May 27, 2016, 01:27:15 PM
New subject title suggestion:
"Re: DC Comics Reboot" Rebirth
Get it?
Anyway, I read it. I like it. I wonder if Alan Moore will react?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 27, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
He did threathen them with blood  magic after the colouring book...
Now that Geoff Johns is leaving for Movie division,this leaves Dan DiDio and Jim Lee in charge.And Bob Harras I guess,but hes pretty much nonexistent.They are the reason Rebirth is happening.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bearded on May 27, 2016, 03:05:34 PM
Well. When you get everything so wrong, only place to go is up. Clone Saga, Knightfall, One More Day, list goes on and on. I find that while I hate the changing of the formula, I tend to like the resetting to old values stories. They generally aren't as good as the actual old stories, but in comparison to the progressive drek, it's at least an attempt at quality. I just hope the with John's leaving the other writers can maintain the respect for the old continuity that worked better. Out with the old, in with the new. The new flounders, back with the old. And people buy them for a while, until another upset is needed to catch interest.
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I do actually hate the leaks. I would have appreciated the surprise. The leaks were unavoidable.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 27, 2016, 03:51:01 PM
Those may not be the greatest examples,seeing it took some time for Spiderman titles to recover from those.Its debatable if they still have recovered from OMD,but another topic...
Some may hate me for saying this,but Knightfall wasnt a bad story.Too long,sure,but not that bad in the final score.
Trailing off here,but point being,can we expect something different from the same people?The universe changed,but the editors didn't.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on May 27, 2016, 06:27:45 PM
Those may not be the greatest examples,seeing it took some time for Spiderman titles to recover from those.Its debatable if they still have recovered from OMD,but another topic...
Some may hate me for saying this,but Knightfall wasnt a bad story.Too long,sure,but not that bad in the final score.
Trailing off here,but point being,can we expect something different from the same people?The universe changed,but the editors didn't.

Hm...

'Good news; the DC Universe is poised to head in a lighter, more optimistic, and more traditional direction, with many  old legacies and relationships being restored! Bad news: The same old writers and editors are still around, and if they haven't added in a lighter tone and those old relationships before, than they won't do it now, because they couldn't care less.'

Yeah; the DCU might be a better place for a year or two, but unless there's a serious change in management, I'm not sure if there will be that much of a difference in the long run. Not to mention, I'm not even sure if the current crop of writers even ''want'' to add in some of that old legacies and relationships, because if they did, you'd think they would have been in there from the start. For example, maybe the reason Green Arrow and Black Canary haven't been together is because the GA and Birds of Prey writers just though that, no, they were never actually a good fit and should never have been together in the first place? (Which is something I kind of actually feel myself, but I digress.) And so on and so forth. And now, they have Mr.Johns getting in their face and cramping their style, forcing them to add in relationships and legacies they may have just never wanted to bother with, and as soon as they get the chance, they may just choose to do whatever the heck they want to again. Of course, I could be completely wrong here, but that's one way to view it.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: GhostMachine on May 27, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
Question: In the Last Days of Superman storyline that's just ended, is the man who looks like Superman but with a beard and a black bodysuit with a Superman logo on it supposed to be
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?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: kkhohoho on May 27, 2016, 07:15:00 PM
Question: In the Last Days of Superman storyline that's just ended, is the man who looks like Superman but with a beard and a black bodysuit with a Superman logo on it supposed to be
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?

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 05:26:19 AM
Its not that easy to point a finger at just one person and blame them for the past 5-6 years.This was really a team effort.
But I would have to agree with Rob Liefeld and say DC's problems are not the writers but editors.
Which reminds me,Dan Abnett signed an exclusive contract with DC.It would be interesting if he does some cosmic storylines.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 28, 2016, 05:34:09 AM
I do actually hate the leaks. I would have appreciated the surprise. The leaks were unavoidable.
I'm happy to say the only thing I had spoiled was the big ending reveal. I've had so many things spoiled in the last few years (darn near every week with the Game of Thrones and Walking Dead, this season, GAH) that I got wise. I avoided this thread until I read the book cuz I knew y'all were talking about it, and I've had a spoiler blocker app installed on my internet browser since before The Force Awakens came out. Which isn't perfect, but it certainly helps. I encourage anyone who wants to avoid spoilers and can't get caught up in their comics and shows right away to seek it out.
It really would have something if I had no idea about that final reveal (though admittedly I probably would clued in at the beginning with the clocks) but fortunately everything else (especially that Flash bit) was a pleasant surprise so I came out pretty happy.

^ Just read that. I'm mixed on it. He and Lanning were great on cosmic Marvel so I'm a bit sad they're trapped at DC now but if they did some big scale epic DC story that could be cool. I really need to read Titans Hunt some time, cuz it seems interesting and the new angle for the Rebirth Titans book intrigues me.

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 06:30:20 AM
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/dc-rebirth-has-the-cast-of-watchmen-already-started-appearing-in-a142046 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/dc-rebirth-has-the-cast-of-watchmen-already-started-appearing-in-a142046)

Actually,there are some interesting theories about that.
Namely,that
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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 28, 2016, 06:54:26 AM
Eh, not sure how I feel about that one.

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Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
Previous theory
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Then again,it would be a pretty obvious choice to pit him against Batman.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 28, 2016, 10:42:27 AM
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Speaking of Batman, Snyder's new Batman book will be about Batman, Two Face, and a desert road trip. They specifically said it's gonna be Batman meets Mad Max: Fury Road. Not sure what to think about that. Not seen the film. Not a huge Two-Face fan but if anyone can revitalize him it's Scott Snyder.

I read Endgame recently. Quite enjoyed it, with a caveat I mentioned in an earlier post and a minor nickpick.

Spoilers for a several years old plot twist that's probably retconned to oblivion at this point.

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I also read Batman: Eternal and Batman & Robin Eternal (only vol. 1 for the later) and I quite enjoyed both. Art could have been a lot better. Really liked seeing Spoiler and Cass again. When I found out Stephanie Brown entire history got reset I was annoyed, since none of the other Bat family members were starting out, AND it means Didio and co finally let Steph fans get their character back but missed the point of WHY they wanted her back i.e. her history and relationships with the other characters, but in the actual books she's fine. No issue with Cass resetting for a very logical reason: in the New 52 Lady Shiva, who was her mother in the original timeline, is too young to be her mother.

One thing I'm iffy on in B&R Eternal:

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Also read the final issue of Secret Six this week. It was fun. I seriously doubt this was originally intended to be the final arc but it had a decent enough wrapup. Few things I wanted to comment on:
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The book was plagued by troubles that went very much unpublished online. The first few issues were heavily delayed (undoubtedly due to the initial artist, Ken Lashley), one issue actual coming out out of sequence All-New X-Men style. But funny thing, immediately after, the art got better, the book got out on time, and it picked up. But I knew it'd get cancelled. I'm just glad I got more S6 for a while. Here's hoping Gail does something else cool for DC or Marvel that I'd want to read.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 10:55:00 AM
I think the biggest pull for All Star Batman is that John Romita Junior is doing the artwork.And yes,Batman does look like Big Daddy.On the other hand,another Long Halloween/Hush style story doesn't really sound innovative.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 28, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
I think the biggest pull for All Star Batman is that John Romita Junior is doing the artwork.And yes,Batman does look like Big Daddy.On the other hand,another Long Halloween/Hush style story doesn't really sound innovative.

Big Daddy from Bioshock? You mean the robot suit? Wait, is Gordon still Batman as well? I always thought robot suit looked like the guy from the anime series Appleseed. It's the rabbit ears.

Jr.'s a mixed bag for me. Some of his Marvel work was seriously rushed (AvX, anyone?), pretty much all his characters look the same (Peter/Logan/Nick Fury/Frank Castle/Daredevil) and he tends to be paired with some seriously washed out colors. Yet I really like his Superman art. I think, like Mark Bagley before him, he's gotten out of a funk that was undeniably brought on by being rushed as hell.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
Big Daddy from Kickass.  ;)
To be fair,his only-one-face problem isnt as bad as say Steve Dillons.Everyone is Frank,anyone?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 28, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
Oh ok. Never read it.
Ugh, I know. I'm actually been reading Way's Thunderbolts lately. Steve Dillon's art is so ugly and flat. Why do people like him again? Besides doing Ennis' Punisher?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 28, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
He also did some work for Judge Dredd.Still,everyone had Franks face.Actually,Frank had Dredds face,because that was first.It was a bit less noticeable because of the helmets,but its still one same face he always draws.Thats also where his collaboration with Garth Ennis started.
Yeah,Romitas Batman look a bit like Big Daddy.More like the movie version thou.But Batman runs a gauntlet of his enemies in 12 issues has been done at least 3 times already,that I can remember(Long Halloween,Hush and Gotham after Midnight).
And the second printing of Rebirth is priced at 5,99.Makes sense...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 29, 2016, 05:33:52 PM
(https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13108790_1111859692193670_1907996390_n.jpg)
Dont think anyone mentioned it,but: Rebirth Joker.Reminds you of a certain rocker?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: jevian2000 on May 30, 2016, 11:01:00 AM
(https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13108790_1111859692193670_1907996390_n.jpg)
Dont think anyone mentioned it,but: Rebirth Joker.Reminds you of a certain rocker?

Well, it reminds me of Jared Leto's take.(for those who don't know, Leto is the lead singer of one of the best bands around, 30 seconds to mars.)

That's a beautiful picture.

jeff

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 30, 2016, 01:39:09 PM
I was thinking Merilyn Manson.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 05, 2016, 05:46:08 AM
Looks like Justice League of America got canceled.I guess that means Hitch is fired.
And I might have mentioned it; Dan Abnett signed an exclusive contract with DC.Im interested to see if he will be doing any cosmic stories.But I doubt that.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 05, 2016, 01:53:47 PM
Not cancelled, re solicited. Same thing happened with JL #51 and #52. I'm not a fan of people using the term "cancelled" that way lately. Sends the wrong message.
Yes, you did mention Abnett's exclusive earlier in this thread, same page in fact. I imagine at some point I'm going to have to go beyond "He was great on the Marvel cosmic books" and give his other stuff like Titans a chance. I had a similar experience when I went from Gail Simone being the writer of Deadpool and Agent X to one of my favorite writers immediately after I read Villains United (the mini that launched the Secret Six).

In other news DC recently made this years Free Comic Book Day offerings free on Comixology (Dark Horse did the same for their books on their own site; I'm waiting on Marvel's) These included the first issue of the New 52's Suicide Squad, and a DC Super Hero Girls comic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 05, 2016, 02:06:05 PM
Sorry,I have a lot of stuff going on right now,so I must have forgot about it.
Seeing that DC cosmic stuff is mostly Lanterns related,I guess Abnett wont be going there soon.
IIRC Venditti is still writing Green Lantern.One of the titles at least.Bit odd considering he hasn't really done such a great job at DC.

Before Rebirth,there was some talk about Hickman coming over to DC,but I guess that didnt happen.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 07, 2016, 07:00:42 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/report-green-arrow-rebirth-1-sells-over-90000-copies (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/report-green-arrow-rebirth-1-sells-over-90000-copies)
Looks like Green Arrow Rebirth sold over 90 000.Is this synergy thing working for once?I guess we will know soon.

And the continuation of the other major situation at DC comics.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/07/when-diane-nelson-spoke-to-katie-jones-about-sexual-harassment/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/07/when-diane-nelson-spoke-to-katie-jones-about-sexual-harassment/)
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 19, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
Triple posting,I know.I apologize.
We mentioned it in Marvel thread,so -Geoff Johns,Rebirth and darkening of superhero comics-
It reminded me on something from long ago-
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/ (http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/)
The writer hated Johns with a passion,but there are some good points.Blood vomiting for once.Dismemberment.Revamping villains as "edgy".
Yeah,Johns takes a good part of the blame here,cant deny that.Brad Meltzer might have started the DC universe on a darker path,but Johns didn't really help.
The irony of him complaining about it in Rebirth isn't really lost on anyone.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Talavar on June 19, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Triple posting,I know.I apologize.
We mentioned it in Marvel thread,so -Geoff Johns,Rebirth and darkening of superhero comics-
It reminded me on something from long ago-
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/ (http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/)
The writer hated Johns with a passion,but there are some good points.Blood vomiting for once.Dismemberment.Revamping villains as "edgy".
Yeah,Johns takes a good part of the blame here,cant deny that.Brad Meltzer might have started the DC universe on a darker path,but Johns didn't really help.
The irony of him complaining about it in Rebirth isn't really lost on anyone.

Yeah, I got that feeling myself--Johns complaining about the very thing he's done for years is weird to me.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2016, 05:17:49 PM
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Image-67-350x307.jpg)
Sooo...Mera votes out?Or at least,Rich has that theory.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on July 15, 2016, 03:59:34 AM
Has anybody else been reading the new Hanna-Barbara comics? Ive only been reading Future Quest, and so far it's fantastic.  I'm sure it would appeal to Daglob and a few other guys here.

The story of Future Quest combines Johnny Quest, Birdman, Space Ghost and the Herculoids into a shared universe. The art is fantastic and it really carries the tone of the cartoons well.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: daglob on July 15, 2016, 05:30:40 AM
Read the first two issues, and find myself wanting more.

Of course, I've also read The Shadow in the Twilight Zone...
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: detourne_me on July 15, 2016, 08:15:24 AM
yeah I ctually subscribed to it on Comixology.  I only regularly read 4 or 5 comics now. Walking Dead, Saga, Paper Girls and this, Future Quest. Nothing else really tickles my fancy....  but I have been itching to catch up on the Mike Allred Silver Surfer stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 20, 2016, 11:59:19 AM
I thought there would be a bit more activity here post Rebirth...
Im maybe judging it a too early(just 3 issues in),but Tom Kings Batman was way better then I expected.It carries some retro charm,without really trying too hard for it.I guess any story with Psycho-Pirate has a bit of a retro feel.
I could say the same thing for Detective Comics.Worked way better then I expected.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 23, 2016, 05:33:05 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135868-sdcc-dc-launching-new-hanna-barbera-verse-title-by-garth-ennis.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135868-sdcc-dc-launching-new-hanna-barbera-verse-title-by-garth-ennis.html)
Wait,wait...Dick Dastardly ongoing by Garth Ennis?Seriously?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: bat1987 on July 28, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
Post rebirth Bat family stuff has been great. Tom King is doing fun stuff in the main tittle, and I gotta say Finch's artwork hasn't looked this good in forever. Detective is a fantastic read, love the team dynamic, Tynion got every character's voice down. Still not sure of Clayface on the team, but time will tell.

The biggest surprise of all? Scott Lobdell's Red Hood and the Outlaws. The rebirth issue came out this week , and it's probably best Jason Todd story in a good while. Some great moments between Jason and Bruce, they streamlined Jason's origin and return. Final page is fantastic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 11, 2016, 07:06:12 AM
Clayface: Its carving time! :)
I think that the biggest surprise this week was Deathstroke Rebirth.It really set up some promising stuff.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 11, 2016, 09:58:36 AM
I found that thing I got out of reading spoilers for All-New Batman was that Gentleman Ghost showed up, though I admit that's strictly because I'm an unabashed fan of Batman: Brave and the Bold and he was used extensively there. As for the Fury Road thing: meh. I'm read it when the trade or hardcover comes out and it'll probably be really good. Romita Jr. looked decent.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to say I actually really like the Snickers ad. I guess some people hate it, probably in no small part because they're still sour over that baffling Twix ad, but I actually really get a kick out of it, precisely because the only DC I read currently is Action Comics (which I really like by the way) and the ad basically tries to trick you into thinking it's just a scene from the book. And it's kind of an amusing twist on the tried-and-true premise of the tv spots (anyone here see that one with the Joker? Nice try, but just didn't stick the landing). I'll fully admit skimming it down to one page instead of several as of the latest issue was probably for the best.

Anyone hear about the new Superwoman book? Crazy.

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Man, Rebirth is just insane. I don't think I've ever seen a company/series/franchise so vigorously tear down everything they've been stubbornly maintaining for the past few years and basically go "yeah, you're right, these last few years sucked. Let's just bring back the stuff you liked in the first place." And i'm kinda loving it!  :D
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 11, 2016, 10:50:40 AM
No spoilers,its been at least a week since any of the events.
Im still kinda lost as to where the Watchmen plot will continue.I would assume Titans,since they are searching for the person who took Wally's memories.With Mr. Oz being in AC.Batman seems to have forgoten about Comedians badge.
Its nice that the governmant decided to do something about Gotham.But its a plan involving two near-Superman-level beings,Psycho Pirate and Hugo Strange;did they really expected it to end well.Btw Amanda Waller is now closer to her pre-Flashpoint version.
Dan DiDio and Jim Lee have been giving a lot of interviews lately;and you just gotta love the attitude "we just came here and started fixing this",not like they were here for the past 5-6 years,right?Also DiDio(of all people) pointed out recently that the sales,in the whole industry,have never been lower and that the only way to survive is to bring in new readers.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 11, 2016, 04:30:37 PM
Not sure what you mean, if you mean Superwoman, it came out this week. If there were spoilers out early for that particular comic it's because reddit/4chan/Bleeding Crap/whoever leaked them, and I'm never going to legitimize them. Mind you, I imagine the chances anyone on this board is reading Superwoman is probably slim to none.

If you meant that I didn't need to put the general comments about Rebirth under the cut, that's true. I just didn't think of that. I just wanted to comment on the Superwoman thing and ended up going on a tangent.

 If you mean All-Star Batman, that also came out this week. I saw it at the store myself. In all fairness, the "spoilers" I read were actually just an IGN review, so whatever. Plus "a bunch of Batman villains show up in a Batman/Two Face team up Mad Max homage" isn't a spoiler at all since that was the premise and they've been upfront about that. The more "shocking" development is some business involving Alfred that I imagine will be quite interesting when the story gets a little further along. So yes, I didn't really need to call it a spoiler, that's just what the article I was looking at said. I just wanted to say I liked Gentlemen Ghost.

If you mean major Rebirth events, the Superwoman thing was the only thing I've heard of lately. Haven't finished Action Comics yet, but there's not a lot to say. They fight Doomsday. It's fun, but until "Mr. Oz" gets off his throne and does something there's not much to discuss other than me saying Segovia's probably the weakest of the 3 artists.

Yeah, I don't know where the Watchmen stuff is going to pop again. I think I read the stuff with Joker is going to be handled in Tom King's Batman book? I only just realized how weird it is that DC doesn't already have some high-profile event book announced, unlike Marvel, where you know what the next event book is going to be before the current one's even done. Count your blessings I guess?

Shame, if all the good stuff was all in one book with as strong a creative team as the DC Rebirth one-shot, I'd buy it. I only picked up Action because the stuff with Luthor spun out of John's Justice League, I really liked that, and I liked Action's creative team, but I find the whole thing interesting so it worked out.

What DiDio's saying is true, but I guess the real surprise is he actually admitted it. I'm really sure what their solution is. 10 years ago or so the tactic was try to draw in the manga-reading crowd. That seems to run its course. Marvel's trying to have a level of synergy with the movies; I've never heard any actual indication that worked.  If nothing else, having Superman, Doomsday and Wonder Woman in Action the same year as Batman V Superman feels like synergy, even if the original Death of Superman being on Clark and Lois' mind is a big part of the book. What's odd is DC's strategy right now is all about placating the older fans. Is bringing back older story elements something newer fans would even find appealing? With the internet and review shows on Youtube and such it's easy to find out about older stories, but does that translate to sales for newcomers? See, this is why I don't work in marketing.

Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 11, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
No,I meant,Im not tagging spoilers since its been a while since the stuff I talked about came out,and people here can be sensitive about spoilers.I assume that the involvement of Watchmen in the regular DCU is common knowledge by now.And I mentioned stuff from Batman,which is also a week or two old.So nothing aimed at you.

Just the general vibe I picked up,but it seems to be working.Looks like (at least) some fans are returning.Did it bring any new readers?Hard to tell.Rebirth(the issue itself) required solid knowledge of DC history,but the regular series are pretty easy to jump into.
 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 11, 2016, 06:01:46 PM
See, it'd be one thing if killing off New 52 Superman and replacing him with Pre-Flashpoint Superman was this low-key thing, so as not to confuse people, but in Action they bring up his Pre-Flashpoint experiences constantly. You can't read Action without being reminded that this Superman isn't "this world's" Superman, and that he comes from a "different" world, with a different Doomsday, and it just goes on like that. Yeah, I understand all of it, but what the heck are new readers going to think? I wouldn't be surprised if someone read it and went "Wait, is he the Superman from Batman v Superman?", which admittedly, would be pretty funny.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 11, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
Which is a bit odd,considering this is the pre-Flashpoint universe,just that people lost memories of it.So he should be "their" Superman.
Like I said,that confrontation with Dr. M needs to happen.He has some explaining to do.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 12, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
It's hilarious that DiDio is talking about how low sales are and bringing in new readers, because that is exactly what Marvel and DC have constantly demonstrated they have ZERO interest in.  They can put out as many new number ones as they want, but when they're all geared for 30 year old fanboys, they're not going to be bringing in any new readers.  The only future of the industry lies with kids, and they just aren't printing books that are kid friendly.  All of their big books are full of content that no self-respecting parent would let their children read, and they are inaccessible even if parents are willing to let kids try them.

I let my friend's kids borrow my comics from time to time, and they just devour them.  The love and the interest is there, but the access and the appropriate new material isn't.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 04:08:53 AM
I was gonna mention their HB line,but then I realised its geared more towards adults who liked them as kids,then the current kids.
Just for the sake of argument,I dont really see anything that bad in mainstream books.Outside maybe a joke or two that kids wouldnt get.
But I do agree that DC(and everyone else) could be doing more to attract new readers.It remains to be see if DiDio really had an enlightment.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 12, 2016, 04:21:34 AM
The level of violence and gore alone in many of the books is higher than I'd be comfortable with, not to mention a general moral laxness or even failing in most "heroes."  Part of this is just a reflection of our culture at large, but there's definitely a far too common trend of attempting to make stories 'mature' by amping up the sex and violence in them.  Now, this is my take on the current situation, but, to be fair, I'm reading a grand total of one modern mainstream book.  Nonetheless, I keep pretty well abreast of what's going on through reading the discussions on here and in general keeping my ear to the ground where comics are concerned.  Nothing I hear makes me think it's a safe medium for kids. 
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 04:41:43 AM
Again,for the sake of argument,Marvel and DC have rating systems,and have ratings printed on the covers.For Example Deadpool #11(16+),Batman #7(13+).So parents should check it before they give it to their kids.
Another example;Invincible fits pretty much everything you describe,but parents should know better then to buy Invincible for their kids.And its Image,so they can get away with stuff you couldnt find in Superman.
My point being,there isnt too many of them,but there are titles aimed at children.Even if not a whole lot of them are in the superhero genre.
I assume one mainstream title you follow is Aquaman?How is Abnett doing btw?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 12, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
So no idea about the sales, but Marvel does publish comics based on all of their current cartoons. They also regularly original stories based on the same, for free, on Marvelkids.com. So you can't say they aren't making some effort.

Benton, can't speak for anyone else, but I just turned thirty. I've been picking up the books since I was in junior high. My first regular DC title was Identity Crisis. And I dunno, maybe it's because one of my childhood favorite movies was Terminator 2 and I grew up watching James Bond movies with my dad, but I never really thought much of the violence, sexual references and disturbing content in the books. I mean, I'm not going to pretend the way Black Adam killed Psycho Pirate in Infinite Crisis wasn't messed up (actually it's a lot like a certain memorable scene in Game of Thrones) but I've always kind of shrugged off the violence in John's books as "Oh, that Geoff Johns". I mean Risk from the Titans got his arm ripped by Superboy Prime. Twice. That's some dark humor right there. It's only in recent years, that I lost my taste for such things by a marginal degree. I mean, it's not really a deterrent for me if the stories are good enough. I wouldn't be able to watch Game of Thrones if that were the case.

Talking about jokes the kids won't get, I point you in the direction of Star Lord's "Jackson Pollock" reference in the Guardians of the Galaxy film.

Benton, not trying to be a jerk here, nor I am disputing that DC and to a MUCH lesser extent, Marvel, don't take it a bit too far with the violence. But I think you're not giving kids enough credit. Ten years ago Marvel and DC wanted to try to get the Manga crowd because "that's what the kids read these days". Did they even know what kinda stuff they put in manga? Even the Pokemon manga has stuff that would raise your eyebrows. Hell, Death Note, a series explicitly about the police trying to catch a supernaturally powered serial killer, ran in Shonen Jump. Which means it was aimed at twelve to fifteen year olds.

For comparison's sake, Benton, if you don't mind me asking, do you find the content in Zelda or Pokemon objectionable as kids' games?
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 11:25:57 AM
Just a correction on my previous post.DC ratings are E,T,T+,M meaning everyone,teen,teen and older,mature.And not in years,but just saying,there is a system.
Anyway,kids today(yes,Im old) spend 23 hours a day playing Call of Duty and GTA Online(is that still a thing?),Avatar Press wouldn't phase them,let alone mainstream superheroics.And they probably hear worst language in school then they could ever read in any comic.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 12, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
Yep, I was actually tempted to mention those vulgar kids playing Call of Duty on X-Box Live.
Also, if I may be so bold, I believe the book Benton is referring to is IDW's TMNT.
Speaking of which, Benton, if I may be so bold again, do you consider the content in the 2003 (4Kids) and 2012 (Nicktoons) TMNT to be acceptable for children?

On the topic of the ratings, I meant to mention, I actually observed Marvel bump up the ratings for a few books from "All Ages" to "Teen +" because they realized "Oh snap, there's too much sex in these books". Amazing Spider-Man had mentions to Peter and Carlie having sex around the time of Spider-Island, and they bumped it up. X-Men had references to Rogue sleeping with Magneto, and her thoughts about sex at one point accidentally got broadcast to everyone at the school (can't remember how) and she had to do a "walk of shame" (no, not the one from Game of Thrones). It got bumped up. Avengers Acadamy showed Hank Pym and Tigra in bed, literally in mid-coitus. It got bumped. And you know what? I feel that was the right call in all three cases.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
I just assumed it was something DC related,because of the topic at hand.Superhero books at Big 2 being suitable for kids or not?
I had to say what everyone meant,anyway(about CoD).Im not telling anyone how to raise their kids or anything;but I think parents have to pay attention to what they are buying to their kids(ratings I just mention).If you find superheroes inappropriate buy something else.Like (not apocalyptic) Scooby Doo for example.Or Looney Toones.
Interesting how you can get away with a whole lot of violence,but any mention of sex drives the ratings up incredibly fast.Kinda like the Killing Joke case recently.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 12, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
Yeah, and a lot of people thought the R rating for Killing Joke was B.S. As I said when they first announced the movie, the original story is largely devoid of action, so of course they had to add some in, even during the actual Killing Joke segment with Batman fighting some Joker minions. I should point out I rented it digitally from my local cable provider over the tv, and here in Canada it was a PG. But then Canada has always had more lenient content restrictions for tv and movies, though when I was a kid they weren't allowed to have cartoons with "War" in the title, and so Beast Wars became "Beasties".

On the "sex vs. violence" bit, yeah, that comes up all the time. Remember when the New 52 launched (omg we're actually talking about the DC comics now! ;) ) Nobody kvetched about Joker's face getting cut off or Red Hood shooting people up, it was Catwoman banging Batman and an even more sex-ed-up Starfire that grew the most controversy. Some morons in the mainstream media thought it was a good idea to show those comics to, like, 5 year-olds at school just make their point. I think the kids said it was "gross." Cuz, you know, boys that age think girls have "the cooties".

Along a similar line, one of the reasons I can't STAND Robert Kirkman is he gloated in an Invincible letters page about how they could put in the blood and entrails they wanted, but would get slapped with an M rating if they showed a nipple. Umm, it should be rated mature anyways. Yet when it came time for Kirkman to throw shade at Marvel for a certain infamous scene in Siege, he threw that argument under the bus by saying "Invincible's nothing like that. It's always been for mature readers and everyone understands that." Despite no age rating on the book whatsoever, and many of the covers giving no indication of the content within.

The thing about the cartoons, like Batman TAS, Justice League, Young Justice, ect, is they knew they could never be as violent as the modern comics, and a lot of the stuff they wanted to do got them flak from the censors, so they had to get clever with the storytelling. A lot of times that worked out better (though in the case of the 90's Spider-Man a lot of people remember it getting silly "plasma" and all that. But we are talking Spider-Man here). You could argue that the modern comics and a lot of the newer DC animated movies get a bit lazy. Just throw a lot of violence and some swearing in there and you're golden. It worked when they did "Red Hood" but after that I found it got kinda ho-hum. The most fun for me was just being to laugh at the bluntness of it all, like the New Gods sequence in Gods and Monsters ("Yep, he's dead all right!")

IDW's got plenty of stuff that *should* ( I say should because I haven't read them myself) be fine for kids. My Little Pony, Littlest Pet Shop, Grumpy Cat, Jem and the Holograms. Archie has Sonic and Mega Man. I assume that stuff's fine. I just read the tie-in comic to the new Transformers cartoon (which itself was toned down for the kiddies compared to the much darker and violent TF Prime) and that's fine for kids. It's got TF references for the hardcore fans but the actual stories are every bit as innocuous as the cartoon it's based on.

That being said, DO NOT buy the G.I. Joe and main Transformers comics for your kids. I think we're all aware of that. Those are clearly written for the older fans. I've heard IDW's More Than Meets the Eye and Robots In Disguise comics described as "the Battlestar Galactica (that's the rebooted one) of Transformers comics" and that's about right based on the volumes I've read.

The Ghostbusters comic is also in line with the movies. It's got some mild innuendos, but nothing that kids will understand anyway. I've watched Ghostbusters like million times and it took me years to understand some of the stuff Venkman was saying, but when I did I just liked the movie more "That's the bedroom, but nothing every happened there." "What. A. Crime."
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Bit late to comment Red Hood and the Outlaws,but I remember the reactions to Starfires re-imagining.Lobdell later tried to explain it myriad of ways,but he never quite dug himself out of that.

Kirkman is a huge fan of Rob Liefeld and 90's Image in general so that was to be expected.He also lampshaded  the trend numerous time in the comic,thru the writer of Science Dog(a comic that main character follows)."We had to do something shocking to keep the readers attention.We were running close to 100 issues,and people were starting to lose interest:"Btw,Kirkman hasnt been writing Invincible in some time now.But I agree,the comic is for mature audience.On the other hand,other Image series have no problem showing frontal male nudity(just for reference),so this is pretty much nothing.
Well,Transformers are not for kids more because of adult themes then violence or sex.And maybe wink-wink-gay robots will bother some people.

In the category of kids titles-Bone.Yeah,thats my recommendation.Also,isnt DC publishing some Superfriends related stuff right now?I assume that would be okay.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 12, 2016, 02:07:43 PM
Yeah, when I said the Transformers comics by IDW aren't for kids, I didn't mean they were overly violent or raunchy or anything like that. What I meant is they're more "intrigue" and less "fun". They don't really pander to kids for yucks. The ones I read took place entirely on Cybertron, with no kids in sight. And since they're not video games like the War for Cybertron games, there was more emphasis on character dynamics and action and shooting.

I'd love to see a revived Sam & Max comic by IDW. That seems like it'd be a no-brainer. Sadly, after Telltales Games made their Walking Dead game and the various properties after that one, Sam & Max seems to have been once again forgotten across all mediums.

Going back to DC, they've also done comics based on Teen Titans Go, and DC Super Hero Girls. I know they did digital comic versions, but I'm not sure if they ever did print versions.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 12, 2016, 02:20:16 PM
To get back to the very start,I think DiDio meant they should try to bring in fans of superhero movies and TV shows.Being the same guy who said that DC publishes comics for 40-year olds, a few year back,I doubt he had kids in mind as new readers.
Title: Re: DC Comics Reboot
Post by: BentonGrey on August 12, 2016, 03:43:19 PM
Freaking board!  So, I tried to post this last night in response to Spade's comment, quoted below, but the board died on me and wouldn't let me.  Of course, the conversation has moved on, but I still wanted to share these thoughts.

Again,for the sake of argument,Marvel and DC have rating systems,and have ratings printed on the covers.For Example Deadpool #11(16+),Batman #7(13+).So parents should check it before they give it to their kids.
Another example;Invincible fits pretty much everything you describe,but parents should know better then to buy Invincible for their kids.And its Image,so they can get away with stuff you couldnt find in Superman.
My point being,there isnt too many of them,but there are titles aimed at children.Even if not a whole lot of them are in the superhero genre.
I assume one mainstream title you follow is Aquaman?How is Abnett doing btw?

True Spade, but compare that to the Silver or Bronze Age, where kids could pick up any Marvel or DC book and get plugged in to an entire universe, any title of which they could dive right into without worry.  We've got the biggest selling point of superheroes completely walled off from kids: the shared universe.  Yeah, maybe they can read Superman this week, but they can't read Batman, or what have you.  Aren't most DC books rated at least T, for teen?  Maybe that's supposed to be a more accessible rating, but I know I wouldn't let a kid much younger than 14 read a lot of those books, and the golden age for kids and superheroes starts a good deal younger.  The question is not, 'are there comics kids can read,' it's 'how do we get new kids reading superhero comics.'  That needs a universe of characters and books to capture and fire a young person's imagination, and that we don't have.

At best, a huge proportion of the comic titles being published and the universe they represent is, on the face of it, unfit, unwelcoming, and inaccessible to young readers.  Even if they can read a particular book, they can't actually get plugged in to the wider universe, and with constant events and resets, that's more of a problem than it used to be.

In terms of what I'm reading, yeah, I'm following Aquaman.  I JUST about dropped it during that execrable run by Cullen Bunn, but since there was a light at the end of the tunnel and I quite liked Dan Abnett's writing in his novels (Gaunt's Ghosts series), I decided to wait it out.  I heard a great interview on the Aquaman that really showed that Abnett got the character, and that gave me a lot of hope.  I'm glad I endured because he's off to a great start!  All things being equal, I very much wish they had just brought the previous team back, as I think Jeff Parker was writing the best Aquaman comics of the last 30 or 40 years, but Abnett is doing a good job nonetheless.  He's focusing on the most interesting part of Aquaman's persona, the split between the land and the sea.  He's really playing that up in an interesting storyline and throwing some cool new pieces into the mythos. 

What's most important is that his characterization is excellent.  Aquaman is dead-on.  He's not a rage-aholic, not even a hot-head.  He's centered and even-keeled.  He's humble yet has an undeniable presence.  He's powerful, yet restrained.  He is dedicated to protecting life, not taking it, and he refuses to kill, absolutely refuses to, which is so ridiculously refreshing that it's a sad contrast to the wider trend.  He's even got a sense of humor.  In short, he's a likable, fun character, one that I am actually enjoying reading about.  That hasn't often been the case for him in the last SEVERAL years.  Parker did it, and now Abnett is doing it, and, honestly, he's putting even more effort into establishing the character AS a character.  At the same time, Mera also gets plenty of personality, a sense of humor, and depth.  She's more than just the 'warrior queen' which she's been relegated to for a while.  I think my favorite of the half dozen issues so far is one where the heroes and their friends just walk around a fair in a coastal town, having fun, talking to each other, and telling jokes. 

In short, he's writing fun, interesting, and heroic comic stories, something of a rarity in mainstream books these days.



Now, to respond to SS's comments, I should stress first that I have been talking about mainstream superhero comics.  Every month I'm reading some of the best comics ever written, as I've often said.  Many of them are kid friendly, and I often recommend series like Atomic Robo or TMNT to my friends with kids interested in comics.  Nonetheless, none of those amazing books I'm reading are mainstream (read: DC and Marvel) superhero books.  SS mentioned the books by IDW, and they are definitely making a lot of great, kid friendly stuff the