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Title: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on August 05, 2014, 10:33:03 AM
I haven't seen a thread on the show, but as one of the bigger Star Wars fans on this site, I've been paying a lot of attention to this show with some high hopes.  Although, knowing it's Disney and following The Clone Wars all the way through, I have an idea of what to expect.  But I'm looking at this show and hoping to see the nostalgia created by the original trilogy or "Classic Era"/Rise of the Empire/Rebellion Era where the Empire is in power and rebels are on the run.  The characters in the show thus far are a bit interesting.  Of course more varied than the JEDI or CLONE characters in The Clone War.  A Mandalorian, a pilot, a brute alien and scoundrel/swashbuckling type that made people connect with Han Solo, but also be a former Jedi.  The voice talent in the show is pretty strong and a few heavies from Hollywood(Isaacs, Prinze, Oyelowo and my favorite BILLY DEE WILLIAMS!!!). 

Again, I followed and for the most part liked The Clone Wars.  Asoka Tano was absolutely annoying and the kid seems like he could be as annoying(at least this could be believably in character, instead of a Jedi acting like a spoiled brat), but audiences need someone to connect that they can tell the story through.  I get that, I can deal.  The Clone Wars did a good job with the "Wars" part of the show.  They had a LOT of good action through the series.  My hope is that this one will be able to live up not only to the standard set by TCW, but to the memories that we all have of the original trilogy that we'll all recall watching the show whether we want to or not.  From the clips I've seen from the music, the sounds, the visuals all fill me with the same feeling I get watching the original trilogy or reading old Star Wars Adventure Journals, playing Dark Forces and playing old school WEG roleplaying games.  That alone could help me over look some writing flaws I'm seeing. But it looks good.  It certainly sounds good and when I watch it, I know it's STAR WARS.  And that, in my book, is a very good thing.

1st 7 minutes:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZn_TrwbPN8
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Starman on August 05, 2014, 11:49:13 AM
Clone Wars was great, Young Justice was great ... I'm hoping this will be an awesome fusion of the two.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on August 05, 2014, 11:22:00 PM
I am cautiously excited for Rebels.
I really enjoyed Clone Wars...sometimes. It was an odd show, each season essentially being 3-5 movies so any given arc I would either love or bored by. The best stuff like the Darth Maul stories were great. Asoka was annoying at first but I grew to like her by the end. I'm really hoping she reappears in Rebels.

I'm hoping with Greg Weisman on board he'll bring the kind of plotting seen in Young Justice and his other shows (pretty much all of which are among my favorites). I'm also hopeful that Rebels will pick up some of the hanging plots from Clone Wars. What I've seen of the cast so far has me interested, but not too excited. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Kommando on August 06, 2014, 01:06:11 AM
I'm looking forward to it. I finally got around to finishing the final season of Clone Wars on Netflix, and I'm sure I'll enjoy Rebels. Though it kind of amused me that Disney cast Aladdin as the protagonist.  :lol:
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on August 06, 2014, 01:20:03 AM
Clone Wars was great, Young Justice was great ... I'm hoping this will be an awesome fusion of the two.

Young Justice was a SURPRISINGLY really well written show, IMO.  It was one of the fewer shows written by adults for kids in the voice of how kids think, instead of how adults think kids think.  That's what I think made the dialogue work so well and made it seem like I was watching a show about kids instead of watching a kids show.  Make sense?  THAT'S what I can hope to see from SWR.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on September 03, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
Here are a couple of shorts for SWR.  Not Shakespear, but entertaining enough and still gives me the the feel of the classic trilogy.

"Not What You Think"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy9waYcrE8k

"Machine In The Ghost"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoDwquiwRM
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 03, 2014, 06:02:19 AM
Here's two more:

"Art Attack"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSJRKB8x9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSJRKB8x9E)

"Entanglement"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxyXtBuXHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxyXtBuXHM)

Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: detourne_me on September 03, 2014, 02:20:04 PM
 :thumbup:
Those were pretty good actually!
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on September 04, 2014, 03:52:58 AM
Shorts seem promising.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 04, 2014, 09:50:05 PM
So STAR WARS REBELS: SPARKS OF REBELLION debuted last night on Disney(not XD) and also released on DVD. 

My impressions were that it was a pretty good start.  It was a lot of what I expected.  This show had the look, feel and characterization of CLASSIC Star Wars.  The swashbuckling, running from the Empire, fire-fights, music, lazy writing.  It was very recognizably STAR WARS.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It was billed as the premiere episode, but the show doesn't really start until about another week or so, likely with this episode again, but it's a good start.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on October 05, 2014, 03:28:18 PM
I just watched this, and I have to say, Shogunn is pretty much spot-on.  I really enjoyed the ride, over all, but there were definitely some clunky bits.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on October 05, 2014, 07:22:48 PM
I saw it and I liked it. If it can deliver the level of quality that Clone Wars did and bring a greater level of serialization then I'll be very happy.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 06, 2014, 04:27:51 AM
I just watched this, and I have to say, Shogunn is pretty much spot-on.  I really enjoyed the ride, over all, but there were definitely some clunky bits.

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Yeah, for years GL teased for a few years about a 'live action' Star Wars show, which never really materialized.  We all rather grew up with the Classic Trilogy or at the very least our gaming/roleplaying/literary excursions in Star Wars were initially through the lense of the original trilogy.  Now, the Prequel Trilogy had it's challenges, but there are things it did right like both Clone Wars series, comics and games, but it's the Original Trilogy we still hold dear.  So to see this series, not only do we have high hopes for it, but to hear what we hear from it it resonates with us in a way The Clone Wars couldn't. 

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 28, 2014, 05:34:28 AM
Just watched the latest episode "Rise of the Old Masters" and this was EASILY the best episode so far.  The action was great.  Characterization and level of Star Wars detail put me in awe!

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on October 28, 2014, 11:30:31 AM
I am unspeakably disappointed this show is on freaking Disney XD instead of anything we get. :(
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:40 PM
I've been watching old episodes of X-Men TAS and I saw this linked on the page.  And it works pretty well.

http://dubbed-scene.com/cartoon/star-wars-rebels
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 28, 2014, 11:24:29 PM
I am unspeakably disappointed this show is on freaking Disney XD instead of anything we get. :(

Welcome to Canada, eh.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on December 01, 2015, 05:53:18 AM
Anybody still watching this?  I'm taping the episodes that get played in syndication, so I'm a bit behind, but I'm still watching it.

All-in-all, I want to like it much more than I actually do.  It has its moments, but it also occasionally has really terrible plotting (like when the Rebel's entire plan is to charge a convoy of ships straight at an Imperial blockade) and poor voice acting.  It doesn't suffer from the lack of energy in the animation that other CGI shows, like Green Lantern, did, but that is still occasionally a problem.  I'm also totally not okay with them rewriting Star Wars canon, even though I should have expected it with the death of the EU.  It hurts more than I expected.  :(

Ha, but, it is a Star Wars show set in the period that actually matters.  It has its strengths too, and they at least are willing to kill some stormtroopers.  The idea of a failed apprentice taking on his own apprentice is pretty interesting, and there are elements of the show that have promise.  I do have trouble buying the artist-Mandalorain, though.  What a ridiculous character.  I also keep expected the kid to break out into "A Whole New World."
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 01, 2015, 10:13:03 PM
I've been watching it, but Disney XD Canada is shuffling into another channel and I'm not sure if I'm going to still have it going forward.

The show got a lot better in the last episodes of season 1, and season 2 so far has been pretty good. Not amazing, but solid, with lots of continuity with Clone Wars (sorry if that's a turnoff for you Benton ;) ) the opening tv movie for season two was pretty awesome though.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 01:08:54 AM
Yeeeaaaah, pretty much all connections to Clone Wars and the Prequels make the show drastically less enjoyable for me.  :P

Fortunately, since I have blocked as much of the Prequels from my mind as possible and never followed the Clone Wars much, I don't notice a lot of the connections, I imagine. :)

I'm surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this here.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 02, 2015, 01:47:18 AM
I'm glad you guys bought this back up because with the release of the new movies, I can't help but to have questions about some of the stuff I'm seeing in Star Wars still.

Naturally we know last April, the Disney acquisition erased Star Wars continuity like the Death Star did to Alderaan.  And as a huge fan like I've been for decades, believe me Benton, I feel your pain.  Probably more since I've practically committed to memory EVERYTHING from the Expanded Universe.  Now, as it stands, outside of the 12 films(1-9, Rogue 1, Solo and Clone Wars), both Clone Wars series and Rebels were the only official canon to carry over from the EU.  But there are MORE than several aspects from the EU that has found it's way into the The Clone Wars, Rebels and even the films themselves.  For example, I remember hearing Disney saying that Shadows to the Empire is no longer part of continunity, but the Black Sun, Falleen, Xizor and the Outrider(YT-2400) all have made the cut.  So is it feasible that Dash Rendar does exist?  Aayla Secura, who was created in the comics as a padawan of another Jedi who was given legitimacy in Episode III, Quinlan Vos, herself was prominently in Episodes II and III.  The Sith Homeworld, whether it was named Moroband or Korriban was still the same world in TCW.  Even Coruscant itself received it's name from Heir to the Empire.  Deathwatch, Juggernauts, 501st, swoop bikes, Boba Fett(technically).  And then there's the entire The Old Republic series.  It's the one video game that did survive the acquisition.  But even they don't know if it's officially canon.

So yeah, everything after RotJ is wiped from existence.  No Crimson Empire, Dark Empire or Heir to the Empire.  No Kyp Durron, Kyle Kattarn, and no Mara Jade.  But everything before?  I mean, what we loved about the EU was it's ability to weave itself into the overall Star Wars story.  It told us the backstory of that guy sitting with Sebulba was an undercover Jedi Master.  It told us the backstory of how Lando lost the Millennium Falcon to Han.  Told us how Jango Fett got hired to be the clone template.  Told us these stories to make the universe richer.  But now... who knows...

Anyway, I still watch the show.  Or trying to.  It needs to stop being as simplistic and light-hearted.  I like the stories they're telling and the overall arch itself.  I loved bringing back familiar characters like Ashoka, Hondo and Lando, but also extremely appreciate the series doing what the movies did and bring back the ACTUAL actors for these roles with Billy Dee Williams and James Earl Jones as well.  But I'll keep watching.  The Clone Wars had similar problems, but was not afraid of darker themes and harsher storylines, which were extremely gripping.  So we'll see.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 02, 2015, 06:58:41 AM
Basicly non of the Dark Horse series except Darth Maul:Son of Dathomir are cannon.Thats the official statement.So no Legacy,KOTOR etc,etc...
In general I felt that Disney caters to people who only saw New Hope.I mean there are other time periods,use them.
Second season of Rebels has been a bit slow.Its mostly just one shots.And I know Im a minority there,but Im glad some of the characters from Clone Wars returned.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 02, 2015, 04:55:09 PM
Aayla Secura, who was created in the comics as a padawan of another Jedi who was given legitimacy in Episode III, Quinlan Vos, herself was prominently in Episodes II and III.

Was Quinlan Vos in Episode III? I think I read that he was meant to appear but got cut. It doesn't matter though, because he appeared in Clone Wars (and the new novel, Dark Disciple, which is based on an unproduced Clone Wars storyline) so he's canon regardless.

Spade, I'm also fond of the Clone Wars characters returning in Rebels. It kinda makes up for Clone Wars getting cancelled by making Rebels a continuation and thus making both shows seem like two parts of the same story. It's also helped the current batch of episodes IMO because they're a little bit more interesting for having returning characters. Otherwise they were a little boring.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 03, 2015, 05:42:29 AM
He was mentioned.  But you're right. He was in TCW, which was carried over so he's as official as Ashoka. 

And I too am glad she's back.  Along with Rex and Hondo, to kind of connect the two shows more than just cameos but kind of a continuation.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2015, 07:16:23 AM
Seeing he survived Clone Wars,and his own series,you think Darth Maul will be back in this series?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 19, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
Seeing he survived Clone Wars,and his own series,you think Darth Maul will be back in this series?

I really hope not.  Bringing him back on Clone Wars was not a good idea IMO.  Like Pet Cemetery says, sometimes dead is better.  This was one of those times.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2015, 06:21:36 AM
I would actually say that TCW added some depth to Darth Maul.It really went a long way in fixing him and General Grivous.IMO villain based episoded where some of the best in the show.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 21, 2015, 04:17:16 AM
I do think he'll appear in Rebels at some point. And yes, I'm firmly in the camp that bringing him back was a good thing. He was fleshed out a lot more, and his storylines were some of the absolute best in the series.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on December 21, 2015, 05:05:22 AM
They brought Darth Maul back?  How did they manage that after he was chopped in half?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: spydermann93 on December 21, 2015, 06:30:27 AM
I think that it had something to do with his hatred sustaining him and then he was given cybernetic legs or something like that.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 21, 2015, 03:39:29 PM
They brought Darth Maul back?  How did they manage that after he was chopped in half?

Getting bisected at the waist and falling down a seemingly bottomless shaft isn't as hazardous as you'd think, I guess.  Which is why bringing him back in the EU, like Boba fett before him, was crappy.  Sometimes characters nerds think are cool are actually chumps.  Everyone just needs to deal with that.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 21, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
They brought Darth Maul back?  How did they manage that after he was chopped in half?

Getting bisected at the waist and falling down a seemingly bottomless shaft isn't as hazardous as you'd think, I guess.  Which is why bringing him back in the EU, like Boba fett before him, was crappy.  Sometimes characters nerds think are cool are actually chumps.  Everyone just needs to deal with that.
Disney obviously didn't.
Well,if Palpatine survived,anybody can.(Yes,I know its not canon anymore)
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on December 21, 2015, 04:32:30 PM
Bobba Fett actually made at least a little sense.  We just saw him fall into the Sarlaac.  We saw Maul cut in freaking half!  Fett had the possibility of escape, since the Sarlaac's digestion was so slow, but Maul was pretty clearly dead dead dead.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 22, 2015, 03:36:58 AM
Boba Fett, Darth Maul, and now this outrage over Captain Phasma not getting to be kewl enough are all examples more of fan projection than any inherent worth in the characters themselves. 
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 22, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
Honestly, I didn't think it was all bad.  Yeah, it might have been a little wonky, but they made it make some sort of sense.  And yes, the stories they told from it were actually really good. 

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But I suppose no matter how we feel about it, apparently it's as much canon as Kylo Ren is.  It's hard for me to imagine Darth Maul not coming back as an Inquisitor or challenges the Rebels in some sort of way.  Bound to.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on December 22, 2015, 04:55:13 AM
Regardless of how silly it might be that Maul survived, the Maul storyline of season 5 was great and my favourite arc of the show. Totally justified his survival to me.
Also the spider legs were ridiculously awesome. Actually that alone might have justified Maul's survival.

I will be very disappointed and surprised if Maul doesn't appear down the line in Rebels.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 22, 2015, 05:25:51 AM
Honestly, I didn't think it was all bad.  Yeah, it might have been a little wonky, but they made it make some sort of sense.  And yes, the stories they told from it were actually really good. 

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But I suppose no matter how we feel about it, apparently it's as much canon as Kylo Ren is.  It's hard for me to imagine Darth Maul not coming back as an Inquisitor or challenges the Rebels in some sort of way.  Bound to.

There is no way, despite what Disney is currently saying, that the cartoons, comics and novels being put out are going to stand up to the films.  If the directors of Episode 8 or 9, or any of the forthcoming spin-off films want to have a scene where they all dance a jig on Darth Maul's grave, no one at Disney is going to stop them, saying: "oh no, Darth Maul totally survived.  We showed that in a cartoon a few years ago."  They will dance that jig, because the films are billion+ dollar money machines, and the ancillary stuff is relative chump change.  Really, we just have a new EU to replace the one Disney (rightly) jettisoned when they took over.  Any conflicts between EU stuff and the films will end the same way as before.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 22, 2015, 05:53:15 AM
Rebels and new trilogy arent really in conflict since there is almost 50 years between them.
There is still money to be made on the Legends continuity,so I belive Disney will eventually return to it in some form.They just didnt want to experiment with two timelines this early,so they decided to start from almost zero.I didnt like it,but  I can understand why they did it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 22, 2015, 05:19:50 PM
Rebels and new trilogy arent really in conflict since there is almost 50 years between them.

Not yet there isn't.  But next Christmas we're getting Rogue One, set in that same pre-Original Star Wars era as Rebels, and the folks at Disney/Lucasfilm have said all eras of Star Wars are fair game for further spin-off films.  Though I was referencing Clone Wars moreso, Rogue One could easily contradict stuff Rebels has done or is planning to do, and further spin-offs, like the rumoured Obi-wan solo film, Yoda origin story, Boba Fett film, or others down the road could conceivably reference the prequel era more directly.  So to believe Disney's current claim that everything being produced is equally 'canon' is silly.  I remember the same thing being said when the EU was created the first time around, and that certainly didn't hold true.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 22, 2015, 05:50:48 PM
Ok,there are multiple rebel cells,so Rogue one doesnt have to intersect with Rebels.Anyway,I doubt any movie has plans for using Darth Maul,so I think hes safe.Point is,last we saw him,he was alive and still in charge of Death Watch,so the possibility of him returning exists.
Speaking of continuity glitches,either the crew of Ghost dies by the time of original trilogy,or Yoda didnt know about them.I guess its possible he was lying...
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 24, 2015, 05:58:29 AM
Honestly, I didn't think it was all bad.  Yeah, it might have been a little wonky, but they made it make some sort of sense.  And yes, the stories they told from it were actually really good. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But I suppose no matter how we feel about it, apparently it's as much canon as Kylo Ren is.  It's hard for me to imagine Darth Maul not coming back as an Inquisitor or challenges the Rebels in some sort of way.  Bound to.

There is no way, despite what Disney is currently saying, that the cartoons, comics and novels being put out are going to stand up to the films.  If the directors of Episode 8 or 9, or any of the forthcoming spin-off films want to have a scene where they all dance a jig on Darth Maul's grave, no one at Disney is going to stop them, saying: "oh no, Darth Maul totally survived.  We showed that in a cartoon a few years ago."  They will dance that jig, because the films are billion+ dollar money machines, and the ancillary stuff is relative chump change.  Really, we just have a new EU to replace the one Disney (rightly) jettisoned when they took over.  Any conflicts between EU stuff and the films will end the same way as before.

Actually, it IS Disney that is saying that The Clone Wars and Rebels along with the films are what THEY termed the "immovable objects" of Star Wars history and stories.  That's the entire point of the Lucasfilm Story Group.  They have the final say over ALL stories INCLUDING the films and they've put them on the same level.

Moreover, I've been reading Star Wars media for decades and spoke with staff of Lucasarts to get a better idea of how continunity works.  I've never felt that the EU was on the same level as the films.  They've specifically stated that from the getgo in 91.  That was the thing with the EU, it weaved itself in storylines established by the films, not to change it or to make it, but to be background for fans to enjoy.  But it was never or was it meant to be official.  Definitely not given the sort of stamp that TCW and SWR have been given.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 25, 2015, 02:43:03 AM
Honestly, I didn't think it was all bad.  Yeah, it might have been a little wonky, but they made it make some sort of sense.  And yes, the stories they told from it were actually really good. 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But I suppose no matter how we feel about it, apparently it's as much canon as Kylo Ren is.  It's hard for me to imagine Darth Maul not coming back as an Inquisitor or challenges the Rebels in some sort of way.  Bound to.

There is no way, despite what Disney is currently saying, that the cartoons, comics and novels being put out are going to stand up to the films.  If the directors of Episode 8 or 9, or any of the forthcoming spin-off films want to have a scene where they all dance a jig on Darth Maul's grave, no one at Disney is going to stop them, saying: "oh no, Darth Maul totally survived.  We showed that in a cartoon a few years ago."  They will dance that jig, because the films are billion+ dollar money machines, and the ancillary stuff is relative chump change.  Really, we just have a new EU to replace the one Disney (rightly) jettisoned when they took over.  Any conflicts between EU stuff and the films will end the same way as before.

Actually, it IS Disney that is saying that The Clone Wars and Rebels along with the films are what THEY termed the "immovable objects" of Star Wars history and stories.  That's the entire point of the Lucasfilm Story Group.  They have the final say over ALL stories INCLUDING the films and they've put them on the same level.

Moreover, I've been reading Star Wars media for decades and spoke with staff of Lucasarts to get a better idea of how continunity works.  I've never felt that the EU was on the same level as the films.  They've specifically stated that from the getgo in 91.  That was the thing with the EU, it weaved itself in storylines established by the films, not to change it or to make it, but to be background for fans to enjoy.  But it was never or was it meant to be official.  Definitely not given the sort of stamp that TCW and SWR have been given.

Yes, I know.  I said - despite what Disney is currently saying.  They're currently saying everything published, animated, etc. is canon.  And when the EU first got launched, Lucasfilm said the same things.  They were totally supposed to be official, starting with the Heirs to the Empire Timothy Zahn trilogy.  But it didn't take long for things to start contradicting each other, and then the prequels came along and invalidated broad chunks of it.  The cartoons, and comics and new novels are being considered canon, and what I'm saying, is that that'll last until a movie wants to contradict one of them. 
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 16, 2016, 06:34:51 AM
m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyxPDEvo9U (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyxPDEvo9U)
Mid-season trailer.It really has everything.
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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on January 16, 2016, 04:36:28 PM
Looks good! 
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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 17, 2016, 03:01:48 PM
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1452886291/STAR-WARS-REBELS-02.jpg)
^In case you missed it,Ezra's new mentor(maybe?).Looks familiar,right?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on January 17, 2016, 03:57:16 PM
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1452886291/STAR-WARS-REBELS-02.jpg)
^In case you missed it,Ezra's new mentor(maybe?).Looks familiar,right?

I saw that character in the trailer, but I'm not sure who it is.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 17, 2016, 04:08:55 PM
Darth Maul.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on January 18, 2016, 12:23:38 AM
Darth Maul.

Really?  I guess I can see it, if you assume the colours are leeched out by the darkness.  That's too bad.

I've been binge watching the Clone Wars on Netflix, since I've been jazzed about Star Wars again, and Rebels seems to be bringing in more elements from it.  I'd watched the first season initially, and couldn't get into it.  I'm enjoying it more now -I think its later seasons have been better- but it definitely suffers in comparison to Rebels.  How it handles the jedi characters in general suffers greatly, in that it doesn't know how to challenge them 90% of the time without making them look like they suck.  Obi-wan gets captured in 3/4s of the episodes he's in, and constantly seems to be losing fistfights with bounty hunters -sometimes while armed with a lightsaber.  As bad as Attack of the Clones is, in it he kicked Jango Fett's butt up one side of a landing platform and down the other, most of it with his hands tied.  And there are a lot of other issues too.

Some spoilers for a show several years old follow...
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This has all been pretty down on the show, but there are good parts too.  Giving the clones some character, Ahsoka generally, making Anakin less of a whiny jerk, but I needed to vent.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 18, 2016, 08:20:05 AM
Zabrak anatomy works differently?Well,if the creators want somebody back,he will be back.
-Witches-Actually that was an attempt to restore some magic to the Force after the whole midi-chlorians thing in the prequels.Also the Father/Son/Daughter episodes and Yodas journey later.Which also answers why Qui-Gon isnt among the ghosts at the end of RoJ.
-Clone wars start not-so-great but they get better.First 2 seasons are out of order and sometimes run on idiot plots.Sure Ahsoke,chase after the thief dont use the force to pull your lightsaber back.Or Obi-Wan,Anakin and Count Dooku getting captured by pirates?Surely,they are powerful Force users and can escape in 5 seconds?And Palpatine sends Jar Jar Binks with  the ransom.I'm really starting to believe they were working together.
-In general episodes focusing on the WAR and the villains were better then just Anakin and Obi-Wan running around,or the Senate discussions.Those are pretty much similar to the prequels.
-IDK if it was never planned to happen or the show got canceled,but there are a lot of missed opportunities there.
-Savage Opress gets introduced,then becomes a muscle for his brother,then he dies.
-Unlike other villain Count Dooku never gets any development.Why is he a political idealist?And his plans to depose his master(obviously wouldn't happen) never goes anywhere
-Grievous complaining that he needs better soldiers then droids?Also quickly forgotten.Separatist did have their own cloning program in Republic comic,but Im not sure that's canon to CW.
-Mandalorians were pretty much just a take that at Karen Traviss.Making them a race of (all human,btw) pacifists wasn't a great solution.It would have been cool to see Mandalorian Protectors,just saying.
Back to the Rebels,season 1 was a bit shaky,but it got a lot better in season 2.And it promises to be even better if the trailer is anything to go by.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 30, 2016, 04:00:32 AM
Not sure if anyone watched the last two episodes, but the subject matter is picking up a bit.

Last week, they introduced their second OT character(seen in the trailer), Leia Organa. The actress playing her did a terrific job IMO.  Ezra's character is becoming more serious and acting less "kiddy".  This week's episode brought back the Mandalorians and told us more about Sabine's past.  Overall the show is getting better. The pacing is much better and from the trailer is gonna get more darker.  I do have to say, it looks like there's going to be more Jedi-related material to be featured, which I'd rather not see.  If I wanted to watch Jedi, I'd watch the Clone Wars.  I mean, it looks interesting and I'll watch it but I think the focus should be "rebellion vs empire" and not "legacy of the Jedi", especially since they're trying to convince us that the galaxy is rather forgetting about them or thinking they're myths and such.

In regard to what you guys are saying about Maul and the Clone Wars, first of all I don't have as much of a problem with it, but secondly, not sure if you knew it but the Clone Wars was ended prematurely.  They had other episodes planned that showed Darth Maul's fate, which was left fairly unresolved.  But maybe he comes back in Rebels.  Again it's a little frustrating because now it seems they've stop making Star Wars Rebels and started Star Wars: The Force Awakens the series.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on January 30, 2016, 06:46:30 AM
Yes,it was nice seeing Mandalorian  Protectors.Good episode,but the resolution fealt a bit rushed.
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Post by: Talavar on January 31, 2016, 01:19:53 AM
Not sure if anyone watched the last two episodes, but the subject matter is picking up a bit.

Last week, they introduced their second OT character(seen in the trailer), Leia Organa. The actress playing her did a terrific job IMO.  Ezra's character is becoming more serious and acting less "kiddy".  This week's episode brought back the Mandalorians and told us more about Sabine's past.  Overall the show is getting better. The pacing is much better and from the trailer is gonna get more darker.  I do have to say, it looks like there's going to be more Jedi-related material to be featured, which I'd rather not see.  If I wanted to watch Jedi, I'd watch the Clone Wars.  I mean, it looks interesting and I'll watch it but I think the focus should be "rebellion vs empire" and not "legacy of the Jedi", especially since they're trying to convince us that the galaxy is rather forgetting about them or thinking they're myths and such.

In regard to what you guys are saying about Maul and the Clone Wars, first of all I don't have as much of a problem with it, but secondly, not sure if you knew it but the Clone Wars was ended prematurely.  They had other episodes planned that showed Darth Maul's fate, which was left fairly unresolved.  But maybe he comes back in Rebels.  Again it's a little frustrating because now it seems they've stop making Star Wars Rebels and started Star Wars: The Force Awakens the series.

I actually really like how they handle the jedi on Rebels.  While Clone Wars dealt with them almost exclusively, they also wrote them terribly 2/3rds of the time.  Rebels has been much better, and more consistent with the films, in that regard.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on February 03, 2016, 05:03:30 AM
It's not that I mind how they're handling Jedi in SWR.  It's just I'm looking at SWR to be more of a show about the Empire vs the Rebellion.  Not that I'm saying the Jedi shouldn't be in it, it just seems they're pulling an awful lot of Jedi-focused stories.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on February 25, 2016, 12:13:50 PM
This episode was reminiscent of Pitch Black.
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Post by: Silver Shocker on February 26, 2016, 02:21:57 AM
It was also similar to a really good episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, only with Sisko and Gul Dukat in place of Zeb and Kallus.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on February 26, 2016, 08:10:24 AM
What happened to Geonosis was actually partially explained in Marvels Darth Vader.Actually,good job at tieing everything in.
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Post by: Talavar on March 01, 2016, 08:14:44 PM
This was a really good episode.  Nice to see Agent Callas being given some depth-up to this point, he's been pretty stock villainous.  Also, can I get some spoilers: what happened to Geonosis?
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 02, 2016, 06:02:04 AM
This was a really good episode.  Nice to see Agent Callas being given some depth-up to this point, he's been pretty stock villainous.  Also, can I get some spoilers: what happened to Geonosis?

Lol, I was going to ask the same thing. I skimmed through the two trades but didn't see anything on Geonosis.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on March 02, 2016, 07:04:14 AM
The planet was sterilized by the Empire.I assume it has something to do with Death Star plans.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 03, 2016, 08:07:56 AM
This was an interesting episode. 

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Post by: HarryTrotter on March 03, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
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https://twitter.com/LLAPSherlock38/status/705276928148840448 (https://twitter.com/LLAPSherlock38/status/705276928148840448)
A teaser for the finale.Recorded.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 04, 2016, 04:13:09 AM
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Yes, I think that would be it.

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Post by: Silver Shocker on March 04, 2016, 07:39:35 AM
It's worth noting that TCW and Rebels showrunner Dave Filoni has said that he had Darth Bane appear in the final arc of Clone Wars specially so he'd still be canon in the new Disney continuity. Darth Bane and Darth Raven from the Kotor games were originally going to cameo in the final episode of the Mortis trilogy (they even had character models made) but George Lucas vetoed it because it didn't fit with his at-the-time position on how Force Ghosts worked. So it's entirely possible that KOTOR is going to get some lip service here.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on March 24, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
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Post by: Kommando on March 24, 2016, 09:14:09 PM
Ah nice. I look forward to the finale kind of...
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 31, 2016, 02:59:27 AM
Just saw the Season 2 Finale and, I gotta say, that was some gripping TV.

Anyone following this thread knows I'm a little weary of the "Jedi-focus" of Star Wars "Rebels".  While it make sense in TCW, I would have rathered Rebels be focused on the Empire vs the Rebellion.  I understand the inclusion, but didn't think it should be a focus.

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Already looking forward to Season 3!
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Post by: HarryTrotter on March 31, 2016, 09:08:06 AM
Im a bit confused as to how spinning your lightsaber allows you to fly helicopter style...
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Anyway,great episode,cant wait for season 3.  :thumbup:
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Post by: Silver Shocker on March 31, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
Quite enjoyed it, just like you guys I can't wait for season 3. I want a trailer and I want it soon.

Gotta love the irony that the show got better after they ditched Greg Weisman.

Spade, in response to your post:

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Shogunn:...

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Regarding Malachor:

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Post by: HarryTrotter on March 31, 2016, 02:15:30 PM
Just noticed that Eight Brother will also be Gaelio in Gundam IBO.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-bJu__WXmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-bJu__WXmY)
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To quote Axel Alonso---Im Super Excited for season 3.  :)
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Post by: Silver Shocker on March 31, 2016, 03:20:19 PM
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 31, 2016, 05:52:06 PM
That was a really interesting video.  It highlighted why season 2 was much of an improvement over season 1.  It expanded the galaxy.  On season 1,  all episodes seemed to end back on Lothal.  In season 2, we see several new locations with each character getting their stories expanded, even the villains. 
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 31, 2016, 07:24:35 PM
Btw... some thoughts...

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Exciting!
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Post by: Talavar on April 02, 2016, 03:49:37 PM
I just saw the two-part finale and really enjoyed it, as a whole.  Specific thoughts follow:
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Post by: Podmark on April 02, 2016, 06:15:58 PM
Really enjoyed the finale!

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Looking forward to season 3.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 17, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ (https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ)
SEASON 3 TRAILER!  :)
New haircut,more Maul,Wedge Antilles AND
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A lot of people did guess that one.
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Post by: Talavar on July 17, 2016, 12:27:37 PM
A lot of information about the third season, including a screening of the hour-long premiere, has come of the Star Wars celebration in England this weekend. 
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 17, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
Thats a bit of the larger universe discussion-I don't think The Force was the problem,more that both the Jedi and the Sith take it to the extremes.Something so complicated cant be just black and white,yet its either getting rid of all emotions or being a psycho.Neither of those really sound like reasonable approaches.Thats just my theory.
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Post by: Talavar on July 17, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Thats a bit of the larger universe discussion-I don't think The Force was the problem,more that both the Jedi and the Sith take it to the extremes.Something so complicated cant be just black and white,yet its either getting rid of all emotions or being a psycho.Neither of those really sound like reasonable approaches.Thats just my theory.

Yeah, it is a larger universe issue, not specific to Rebels, but they seem to be going down a well-trod path. 
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 17, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
Well,it wasn't pointless in the original canon,the reboot pretty much invalidated everything heroes did anyway,but I assume because there will probably be a New Jedi Order in Star Wars episode 13 or so.Everything Disney did goes along a way-trod path.
Like,for example
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Post by: Talavar on July 17, 2016, 06:00:08 PM
Well,it wasn't pointless in the original canon,the reboot pretty much invalidated everything heroes did anyway,but I assume because there will probably be a New Jedi Order in Star Wars episode 13 or so.Everything Disney did goes along a way-trod path.
Like,for example
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But even in the old EU, how many of Luke's students went evil?  Half?  It feels like half.
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Post by: BentonGrey on July 17, 2016, 06:45:43 PM
No, no, pre Yuzhon Vong (sp?), only, like two, maybe, out of dozens and dozens.  There's the insufferable Kyp Durron; was there anyone else?
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Post by: Talavar on July 17, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
No, no, pre Yuzhon Vong (sp?), only, like two, maybe, out of dozens and dozens.  There's the insufferable Kyp Durron; was there anyone else?

A quick perusal of Wookiepedia gave me Brakiss, Kueller, and Dal Konur as well, whoever any of them are.  I personally bailed on the EU in the relatively early days.  My previous post was (half)joking; but it does seem like the 'fall into evil' rate for jedi, especially in the old EU, was exceedingly high.  Given the consequences, you have to wonder if having good jedi are worth all the bad ones/sith that crop up.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 18, 2016, 04:32:56 AM
To get back on topic,Ezra is pretty much Skywalker-lite,so no suprise that he gets a similar story.
Does anyone else think Kanans mask looks a bit goofy?
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Post by: Talavar on July 18, 2016, 06:10:34 PM
To get back on topic,Ezra is pretty much Skywalker-lite,so no suprise that he gets a similar story.
Does anyone else think Kanans mask looks a bit goofy?

A little.  I'm torn on the subject...
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 18, 2016, 07:04:01 PM
Its been a few months,so no spoiler-IIRC he didnt lose his eyes,he suffered burns,so they cant just replace his eyes with bionic ones.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on September 25, 2016, 10:04:15 AM
First episode was promising.We didnt see all that much from Thrawn,but okay,there is time.And Im sure Doctor Who fans will find this episode interesting.  :)
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Post by: Silver Shocker on November 03, 2016, 07:25:20 AM
So far season 3 has been on par with season 2, as in some episodes are great (Darth Maul) others meh. The Ryloth episode was an interesting example. The main Ryloth plot was just alright but Thrawn's appearance in it was fantastic! I only read the first of the Thrawn novels but even I can tell they're doing a great job nailing his character.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 03, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
It's funny, I haven't read Thrawn's character in 20 years, but from what I remember of him, they got him true.

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Post by: HarryTrotter on November 27, 2016, 05:38:47 PM
These past few episodes have been kinda fillerific.
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Post by: Silver Shocker on November 28, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Yep. Just like last season of Rebels, I've come to accept that, especially for the middle chunk of a season. Last year it was stuff like the space whales, this year it's smuggling/heist stuff with Hondo and fighter pilots and the like. Next episode is, I guessing, an Agent Kalus episode, based on the vague description I read. The one after that will about Darth Maul's/Ezra's vision, so I imagine that will be quite a big better.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 30, 2016, 04:43:05 AM
I gotta imagine that sometime over the next two weeks there would be some crossover material from Rogue One...  Perhaps character types or planets or something that's seen in Rebels or seen in Rogue One that will be in Rebels.

Or at least I'd assume.  Could be wrong.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on November 30, 2016, 11:51:44 AM
Maybe a nod,like the crossguard lightsaber last time.
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Post by: detourne_me on December 02, 2016, 04:09:26 AM
I heard Forres Whittaker's chracter was gonna be on Rebels, but he looks totally different.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 02, 2016, 05:55:56 AM
^I think he was already in Clone Wars,.
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Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 03, 2016, 03:40:35 AM
He was.

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/576add0af5e23162a7a2c8c9/1466621200121/?format=750w)
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 06, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
It starts like another infiltration episode,but it does end up playing into the larger story.And Thrawn is there,so thats always a plus.
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Post by: BentonGrey on December 17, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
I've been watching this a bit more lately.  I'm several episodes behind because I can only take so much at a time, but it seems to be more or less of a piece with what came before, though a bit better.  The show still just feels mediocre with occasional moments of excellence.

I'm glad that there don't seem to be Jedi under every rock so far this season.  That's something.  On a random note, does it bother anyone else that the Rebels have A-Wings coming out of the wazoo?  I know the old canon has been jettisoned, but it will always be true for me.  I can't get past the fact that, in the old canon, A-Wings didn't show up until much later in the struggle.  It also really bothers me that these are advanced interceptors, but they regularly get waxed by regular old TIEs.  These are minor issues, but they really do vex me inordinately.  It's little things like that which, general quality of the show aside, just make it feel 'wrong' to me.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 17, 2016, 06:44:16 AM
Wait till you see how they got B-wings.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=605382836337170&id=517608048447983&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.605382836337170%3Atl_objid.605382836337170%3Athid.517608048447983%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1483257599%3A7241872760301985326&__tn__=%2As (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=605382836337170&id=517608048447983&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.605382836337170%3Atl_objid.605382836337170%3Athid.517608048447983%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1483257599%3A7241872760301985326&__tn__=%2As)
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Post by: Talavar on December 17, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
Yeah, the A-wings and B-wing in Rebels kinda bugs me too--though the actual B-wing episode is nowhere as bad as that linked post makes it out to be.  But we're living in a world where the Crystal Star, Courtship of Princess Leia, Jedi Academy Trilogy, Dark Empire comic, Darksaber and so many more are no longer canon, and that is more than worth the price. 

In other news, didn't anyone catch the Rebels references in Rogue One? 
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 17, 2016, 06:05:07 PM
Well,one guy making the whole thing in a junkyard is a bit cartoonish.Just saying.
Where Legacy,Dark Times,Other Sons of Tatooine,KOTOR are no longer canon.Because movies based on existing books or comics never work,right?
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Post by: BentonGrey on December 18, 2016, 03:12:49 AM
Spade, I actually have seen that episode, and it REALLY bothered me.  I just don't see the point in A) replacing functional and interesting canon stories like that one, and B) doing so with inferior versions.  While perhaps not quite as silly as that write-up makes it sound, it's still not a great story.

Ha, Tal, Courtship is pretty awful, I'll grant you that, and Academy has some huge (Kyp) weaknesses (Durron), but the price is too high for me, as the worst points of the continuity were already easy enough to ignore.  I hardly ever thought about those books after I read them the first time, and, despite their weak points, they did often give us valuable and interesting additions to mythos, like Dathomir itself and the Witches, things that outlived their less than stellar origins to become respected parts of the canon.  The same basic idea of the Witches, wild, untrained Force users who don't truly understand how they harness the power, has appeared several times in Star Wars materials to good effect.

For me, the price is far too high. 
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Post by: Talavar on December 18, 2016, 05:25:55 AM
Spade, I actually have seen that episode, and it REALLY bothered me.  I just don't see the point in A) replacing functional and interesting canon stories like that one, and B) doing so with inferior versions.  While perhaps not quite as silly as that write-up makes it sound, it's still not a great story.

Ha, Tal, Courtship is pretty awful, I'll grant you that, and Academy has some huge (Kyp) weaknesses (Durron), but the price is too high for me, as the worst points of the continuity were already easy enough to ignore.  I hardly ever thought about those books after I read them the first time, and, despite their weak points, they did often give us valuable and interesting additions to mythos, like Dathomir itself and the Witches, things that outlived their less than stellar origins to become respected parts of the canon.  The same basic idea of the Witches, wild, untrained Force users who don't truly understand how they harness the power, has appeared several times in Star Wars materials to good effect.

For me, the price is far too high.

They could make a canon cartoon that was just The Wacky Adventures of Jar Jar Binks and have it run for 6 seasons and a movie, and, to me, it would still be worth it to have Dark Empire gone.  That turd was so damaging to Luke's character, and was just wildly out of keeping with the entire Star Wars universe.  Consigning the collected works of Kevin Anderson to the dustbin of history is just a bonus after that, along with a few other choice entries like Courtship.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 06:15:32 AM
^Yup,there it is.Pick one thing you didnt like and somehow that justifies it.That one bad thing must mean everything else was also bad.
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Post by: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2016, 09:51:08 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with Spade here. I have fond memories of the EU and didn't have any particularly desire to see it jettisoned. Yes, there's bound to be bad stories/product but that's going to happen when you have so much of it. Tal expressed his opinion back when Force Awakens came out and I didn't agree with it then either (no offense intended, I just don't agree). As it happens I actually only read a small handful of Star Wars novels, which included the ones you guys didn't like such as Courtship and Jedi Search, as well as other ones people didn't like such as the Bounty Hunter Wars, and those were good enough for me to get me interested in the EU. Mind you, I only read the first installment of Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy and I found it obscenely overrated, so maybe I'm just contrarian like that.

I actually missed the Rebels references in Rogue One, so good to know. I'll definitely have to try to catch them on a repeat viewing.

To bring it back to Rebels, a promotional image surfaced that indicates that a certain character will appear in Rebels:

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On the topic of the latest episode, pretty good, but it's become depressingly evident that all the "good stuff" like Maul's vision and, potentially the business from the S2 finale involving Ahsoka will be saved for the S3 finale. I liked the episode even though I thought Ezra and Kanan seemed a little too at ease around Maul.

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Post by: Talavar on December 18, 2016, 02:54:23 PM
^Yup,there it is.Pick one thing you didnt like and somehow that justifies it.That one bad thing must mean everything else was also bad.

I guess you missed the list, but it wasn't one thing I didn't like.  In fact, it's pretty much the reverse of what you said: the handful of good things drowned by everything else that was bad. Because the old expanded universe did have some good stuff--the original Thrawn trilogy, mostly, the X-wing books, um, probably a third thing--but the bad stuff kept piling up until the sheer weight of it overwhelmed the little bit of good.  Multiple terrible trilogies and sub-series of books, bad fantasy novels with a thin Star Wars veneer laid over top, stuff that didn't understand what was important about the characters at all, and a bunch that was already invalidated by the Prequels.  The people behind the old Expanded Universe very quickly realized quality didn't matter; garbage would still sell.

To keep this tangentially on topic, as much as the current Star Wars overlords say everything is canon, Rebels and Clone Wars and the books & comics coming out now are still an expanded universe.  Forest Whitaker played someone who was from Clone Wars in Rogue One, but nothing about his role in the movie depended on anything from the cartoon.  Stuff from Rebels had blink and you missed it cameos in Rogue One.  Now, I don't love Rebels--I think it's okay, with some stronger episodes here and there, and that's pretty much my feelings about Clone Wars as well.  But an effort is being made to keep things consistent and unified now that was missing from the old EU from almost its earliest days. 
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Post by: Ouflah on December 18, 2016, 04:15:51 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I never thought of the Star Wars extended canon as real canon. I mean, anything that is not in the original medium (in this case the original medium being the live action movies) is expendable to movie makers. 
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 04:44:44 PM
@Talavar Thats another straw argument.It wasnt canon already.But it was.Everything,and I do mean everything had to be okayed by George Lucas.
Im not that versed in the books,my domain was mostly DH comics,and I cant really remember anything sooo horrible.
@Outflah See thats the thing.It was as deep as you wanted to dive in.You just wanted the movies,thats cool.You wanted more,it was there.

And if it was all so terrible it had to be wiped from existance,why the hell are Disney and Marvel retreading that same ground?
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Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 18, 2016, 05:09:50 PM
It wasn't that it was terrible.  It was that they didn't want to worry about contradicting something somewhere in all the years of stories when the sequels came out.  It would have been pretty much impossible not to do so.

Maybe they shouldn't have made such a big deal about it, but there was no way to do any sequels if they didn't.  Not unless they directly adapted the pre-existing material.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 05:15:45 PM
^And that obviously wouldnt work.Who would want to watch a movie based on a book?
And having 2 universes at the same time also wouldnt work.Because peoples minds would implode.I mean a work of fiction having 2 or more timelines?Unheard off.
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Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 18, 2016, 05:33:16 PM
I agree that canceling the old extended universe was unnecessary.  They could have just declared it a separate universe and let authors continue to write in it.
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Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 05:36:52 PM
I agree that canceling the old extended universe was unnecessary.  They could have just declared it a separate universe and let authors continue to write in it.

My point exactly.Or at least let the ongoing series like Legacy 2 finish properly.
Fun Fact: The Old Republic is the only story still going in the original continuity,because EA has a contract they couldn't cancel.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 18, 2016, 06:19:59 PM
@Talavar Thats another straw argument.It wasnt canon already.But it was.Everything,and I do mean everything had to be okayed by George Lucas.
Im not that versed in the books,my domain was mostly DH comics,and I cant really remember anything sooo horrible.

What was a straw argument?  That I didn't outline how the EU was filled with terrible books?  I felt it was a given, but if someone wants to defend any of the terrible books I've listed, I'm game.  For those just curious, here are some rather on the nose recaps of a few of them in all their stupid glory: http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-dumbest-thing-the-star-wars-expanded-universe-did-t-1740235732 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-dumbest-thing-the-star-wars-expanded-universe-did-t-1740235732), http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-star-wars-expanded-universe-story-proves-that-luke-1744243073 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-star-wars-expanded-universe-story-proves-that-luke-1744243073), http://io9.gizmodo.com/crystal-star-really-is-the-worst-star-wars-book-ever-1788426849 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/crystal-star-really-is-the-worst-star-wars-book-ever-1788426849).

As to 'soo horrible,' here's what happened in Dark Empire: the Emperor resurrects himself in a clone body a few years after RotJ, re-unifies the Empire and goes on the offensive with new superweapons that were apparently just sitting on ice, Luke joins the Dark Side and becomes the Emperor's apprentice for a bit, a bunch of random other Jedi, good and bad, are revealed to have survived too, the Emperor reveals further force powers dwarfing anything seen before in the films (beyond just cheating death a couple more times), more Imperial superweapons turn up, the Emperor tries to reenact the plot of Ghostbusters 2 and take over Leia's kid's body for himself, and then it finally all implodes after making bad fan fiction look good in comparison.

Not only is Dark Empire terrible in and of itself, but it actively undoes or contradicts key developments of the original films, a hallmark of terrible EU writing.  Luke resists the Dark Side in RotJ and Empire even when it might have saved his life/his friends' lives/the Rebellion; here he joins up because the Emperor reveals a new party trick.  The Imperial resources and super weapons that keep popping up verge on the side of comedy.  It is awful.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 06:36:40 PM
The straw argument of: It was never canon anyway.We heard that before.And the straw argument of: X sucked,so the whole thing had to go.
Yeah,there was something stupid in some obscure RPGs manual that you didnt like.Makes perfect sense to throw out the baby with the bath water.
At least Dark Empire was original,unlike a certain movie I could name.And if the new owners disliked it,they could have just ignored it.
Next up will be the straw argument of:They didnt take your comics.That one always comes up.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Ouflah on December 18, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
^And that obviously wouldnt work.Who would want to watch a movie based on a book?
And having 2 universes at the same time also wouldnt work.Because peoples minds would implode.I mean a work of fiction having 2 or more timelines?Unheard off.
Well, it's not like you can't interpret the new movies as an alternate universe anyway. You don't really need a studio executive to say "this is a different universe with an alternate future" to be able to imagine that it is. In the end it's all fiction anyway. I'd worry less about what a bunch of bigwigs consider officially canon and just enjoy what you think is good.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2016, 06:58:23 PM
Yeah,the problem with that is that those stories stopped.They took away the resolution to those stories.I cant go back and enjoy things that never happened.Like the games that got canceled,for example.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Ouflah on December 18, 2016, 08:00:47 PM
True. Most of my favorite movies never got sequels, so I know dem feels.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on December 18, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
The straw argument of: It was never canon anyway.We heard that before.And the straw argument of: X sucked,so the whole thing had to go.
Yeah,there was something stupid in some obscure RPGs manual that you didnt like.Makes perfect sense to throw out the baby with the bath water.
At least Dark Empire was original,unlike a certain movie I could name.And if the new owners disliked it,they could have just ignored it.
Next up will be the straw argument of:They didnt take your comics.That one always comes up.

Where did I say it say it was never canon?  I think you're confusing me with Ouflah, who said:

I know I'm in the minority, but I never thought of the Star Wars extended canon as real canon. I mean, anything that is not in the original medium (in this case the original medium being the live action movies) is expendable to movie makers. 

This stuff was canon, it was just 75% terrible.  I mean, Ouflah is right: the movies will always have primacy over the ancillary materials.  Just like the Marvel movies will continue to largely ignore Agents of Shield and the Netflix shows.  Eventually this new canon Disney is making will contradict itself, and when it does, it's the movies that will matter.  But still, not my argument.

And the books I was referencing were hardly obscure RPG manuals.  These were coming out right after the Thrawn trilogy, foundational books to much of the EU, and most were best-sellers despite sucking hard.  I don't really know what you think the EU was without books like these?  RPG manuals, maybe.

Finally: Dark Empire was original?  With its resurrected Palpatine, multiple Death Star stand-ins, and rehashing the climax of RotJ (not to mention Ghostbusters 2)?  You're either joking or using that word wrong.  Sure, Disney could have pretended it didn't exist, but if they just picked and chose from the old canon, how would that be different in practice from what they are doing?  Thrawn is on Rebels, after all.  Some elements of the old EU are making the jump into the new canon.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2016, 05:15:05 AM
Look,everything that runs for 40 or so years will have its share of cr@p,thats true.
I can ignore the bad things that did happen,but I cant enjoy the good things that didnt.I cant watch Star Wars Detours,when Disney refuses to release it,for once.
Another thing,it was never meant to replace the movies,but to supplement them.Its a bit more interesting if you can say: Oh,I know that guy.
And the DisCanon has its share of weird and stupid too.Lightsaber crystals being sentient?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 19, 2016, 07:09:33 AM
^And that obviously wouldnt work.Who would want to watch a movie based on a book?
And having 2 universes at the same time also wouldnt work.Because peoples minds would implode.I mean a work of fiction having 2 or more timelines?Unheard off.

You're a funny guy...
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2016, 07:16:55 AM
^And that obviously wouldnt work.Who would want to watch a movie based on a book?
And having 2 universes at the same time also wouldnt work.Because peoples minds would implode.I mean a work of fiction having 2 or more timelines?Unheard off.

You're a funny guy...

A bit too much,I know.Im just trying to say a blank slate reboot was not the only option they had.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 26, 2016, 07:37:03 AM
Yeah, the A-wings and B-wing in Rebels kinda bugs me too--though the actual B-wing episode is nowhere as bad as that linked post makes it out to be.  But we're living in a world where the Crystal Star, Courtship of Princess Leia, Jedi Academy Trilogy, Dark Empire comic, Darksaber and so many more are no longer canon, and that is more than worth the price. 

In other news, didn't anyone catch the Rebels references in Rogue One? 
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I know there were a few folks here who said they didn't see or catch all of the SWR Easter Egg/References in Rogue One.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 02, 2017, 05:19:20 AM
Okay, so I saw Rogue One again and have a couple of edits from the previous post:

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 05, 2017, 06:59:19 AM
https://youtu.be/upN-7ALj2OU (https://youtu.be/upN-7ALj2OU)
The mid-season trailer.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 06, 2017, 01:45:33 AM
Gotta tell ya, I got excited watching that trailer, especially when you-know-who showed up.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on January 06, 2017, 04:33:42 AM
Hmm...that looks pretty decent for the most part.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 06, 2017, 05:54:09 AM
Gotta tell ya, I got excited watching that trailer, especially when you-know-who showed up.

Sabine's mom?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 06, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
That depends, is Sabine's mom Bo-Katan? Cuz she's supposed to show up in Rebels too. Though the stuff with Sabine in general does look pretty cool.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 06, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
That depends, is Sabine's mom Bo-Katan? Cuz she's supposed to show up in Rebels too. Though the stuff with Sabine in general does look pretty cool.

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Yeah, I know I was joking..

But you are right.  I saw an casting update about it and it's pretty spot on IMO.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 06, 2017, 11:17:31 PM
So I looked it up, and Obi Wan Kenobi will be voiced by Stephen Stanton. (http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rebels-obi-wan-voice-actor/) He voices Tarkin in both Clone Wars and Rebels, and voices the protocol droid who talks like Alan Rickman. In addition to playing a few different characters in Clone Wars, he also played Obi-Wan in a fan film and the video games Battlefront II and Empire At War. So clearly he has some experience playing Obi-Wan.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on January 07, 2017, 12:41:07 AM
He certainly sounds the part in that little snipit. 
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 08, 2017, 08:50:00 AM
This week on Rebels: Saw Guerrera, Clone Wars references, and...

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 08, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
Bwhahahahahaha!!!!!
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 12, 2017, 11:57:14 AM
After 40 years,we now know...that SW characters have use the toilet sometimes.And what was with that song?
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 20, 2017, 12:00:10 AM
So, that last episode.....  Made me feel quite a few emotions.

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Overall good, but just made me feel a type of way about it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Talavar on March 20, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
So, that last episode.....  Made me feel quite a few emotions.

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Overall good, but just made me feel a type of way about it.

I really enjoyed this most recent episode. 
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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 20, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
Wow,this is the first time somebody complained about showy fights.Really does take all kinds.:)
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 20, 2017, 05:20:44 PM
Not much of a complaint... more of a "well damn"
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 21, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Wow,this is the first time somebody complained about showy fights.Really does take all kinds.:)

Not sure if you mean on this forum or in general. If it's in general, then I'd guess you're not familiar with the Mr. Plinkett reviews? The idea is apparently "overly choreographed" means it's too unrealistic to be compelling. Or rather, that it wasn't an acceptable substitute for a lack of dramatic imperative (which IMO, Clone Wars and Rebels were better at than the Phantom Menance anyway). A lot of people also complained that Yoda fought in the prequels, flips and all. I know people complained about that back when the films came out. Though as Honest Trailers pointed out, they might have gotten the idea for the flips from the Dagobah scenes from Empire Strikes Back, something that amuses me, and I imagine, makes Prequel haters spout steam out of their ears like a kettle.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 22, 2017, 05:52:56 AM
I havent see the review,but too unrealistic?Really?
Lets face it,two old guy gently poking each other wasnt really that exciting.
I complained about New Hope.Now I will hand over my geek badge and lazer gun.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 22, 2017, 06:58:09 AM
Actually funny thing, the guy who does the review, literally refers to the Vader vs Obi-Wan fight in a New Hope as two old guys awkwardly flailing at each other. His argument is that it's till superior because we care about the characters and the story.
Personally I've never drank that particular Kool-Aid. It's possible to do visually interesting fight and interesting story to go with it. Look no further than the Luke/Vader fight in Jedi.

And yeah, I loves me the original trilogy, but the fight in A New Hope looked pretty weak, regardless of their age and with regards to their supposed skill level. The light saber fights in Empire and Jedi were much more visually using what the special effects guys were able to do at the time . And in the case of Jedi, Luke's aggressive attacks lacking grace or style fit his emotional state and the tone of the scene.

The fight in this episode of Rebels fit the tone of the scene as well.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 26, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
Season 3 Finale of Rebels...

IMO, it was quite good.  Not as good as season 2's finale(which had much more emotion), but this finale had many of the elements we appreciate in Star Wars.

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I like what the show is doing.  It's focus is deliberately blended the elements of Star Wars that fans like and I for one appreciate it.  Glad we got another season.  Hope to see it catch up to Year 0.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 26, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
I mostly agree.
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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on March 26, 2017, 06:43:41 PM
I mostly agree.
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I liked the finale. A couple points on the season as a whole:
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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 26, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
If we are already taking about the next season,and missed opportunities of Clone Wars...Durge.Hes a bounty hunter,why not?
Or considering the Empire at War inspiration of this season,I wouldnt be surprised if Tyber Zahn shows up next.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 27, 2017, 01:43:09 AM
Spade,

Actually, last I checked the Zahn Consortium has been placed in the official canon.  Even though Tyber Zahn has not.  Actually, now to mention it, the "underworld" of Star Wars has taken a bit of a backseat in the series, particularly over the last few seasons.  I mean, we've gotten Hondo and he's been a constant.  Again, no Boba Fett.  No Black Sun.  No Jabba the Hutt.  Or any other Hutt really.  It would be nice to see some other Clone Wars figures show up.  Like an older Jaybo Hood.  Or other figures from Kanan/Caleb's past.

And isn't Ventress still alive?

I mostly agree.
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I liked the finale. A couple points on the season as a whole:
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Like a lot of what you said and just a few things to touch on:

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Also about Inquisitors, the names were "Fifth Brother" and "Seven Sister".  I would imagine(and I actually GMed a game using the motif) that there's at least 5 more Inquisitors for them to use.  Perhaps Inquisitors we know like Jerec or Tremayne outside of the "Brother" or "Sister" Inquisitors.  I don't think the Grand Inquisitor from season 1 went by that numeration.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Podmark on March 27, 2017, 03:18:07 AM
Shogunn:

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Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: BentonGrey on March 28, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
Has anyone else had a huge problem with Mandalorians running around all over the place in this show?  A) When I was a Star Wars fan back in the day (we walked five miles to school, up hill both ways!  In the snow!), the Mandalorians had been wiped out in the Clone Wars.  That was more or less the established canon, and Bobba Fett was interesting because he was a survivor and a mystery.  B) It makes no sense for a warrior culture to survive in the Empire.  It doesn't fit the setting.

I'm slowly catching up here, but I find that my issues remain.  It just doesn't quite fit for me.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 28, 2017, 05:46:00 AM
We even had Mandalorians in Legacy,way after Clone wars.So Bobba definitly wasnt the only one who survived.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 06, 2018, 07:37:57 AM
Well, this thread has been dead for about a year, but I'd figure with the series closing out, I thought I'd come back and share some thoughts, about the finale, the season(particularly the last 5 episodes) and the series overall.

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Now, the last 5 episodes of this season, IMO were probably more impactful than we've seen of anything Star Wars recently.  There was more content and plot devices in this final bit then probably the entire series.  More specifically:

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As for the series overall, IMO I think the second half of Clone Wars was much stronger and darker, but the series itself had it's highlights and lows as well.  It was good to see the how the Rebellion start in official canon.  It was good to see how the Rebellion works.  The battles and the climaxes in the series were a lot of fun and well done.  the characters that were introduced and reintroduced were refreshing.  From the Mandalorians, fringers and Imperials.  It was nice to see characters from the movies show up in the series from Leia, Lando, Wedge and Saw.  Ezra like Ahsoka earlier on in their respective series were VERY annoying.  It's obvious the character(s) were written to give the younger audience a perspective to relate to.  The series had a lot of lazy and too convenient plots(particularly at the end), which slowed the show down as much as they were annoying.  But it gave us "Star Wars" what we know as classic "Star Wars".  I was afraid with Kanan being a Jedi and Ezra being his "Padawan" made me fearful the series would come off too Jedi-centric in a era and setting that I thought should be focused on a different war.  But overall, and what the ending emphasized is that the series is less about "Rebels" and more about Ezra and the Spectre crew.  As long as I keep that in mind, I can be okay with it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 13, 2018, 10:17:02 AM
Well, this thread has been dead for about a year, but I'd figure with the series closing out, I thought I'd come back and share some thoughts, about the finale, the season(particularly the last 5 episodes) and the series overall.

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Now, the last 5 episodes of this season, IMO were probably more impactful than we've seen of anything Star Wars recently.  There was more content and plot devices in this final bit then probably the entire series.  More specifically:

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As for the series overall, IMO I think the second half of Clone Wars was much stronger and darker, but the series itself had it's highlights and lows as well.  It was good to see the how the Rebellion start in official canon.  It was good to see how the Rebellion works.  The battles and the climaxes in the series were a lot of fun and well done.  the characters that were introduced and reintroduced were refreshing.  From the Mandalorians, fringers and Imperials.  It was nice to see characters from the movies show up in the series from Leia, Lando, Wedge and Saw.  Ezra like Ahsoka earlier on in their respective series were VERY annoying.  It's obvious the character(s) were written to give the younger audience a perspective to relate to.  The series had a lot of lazy and too convenient plots(particularly at the end), which slowed the show down as much as they were annoying.  But it gave us "Star Wars" what we know as classic "Star Wars".  I was afraid with Kanan being a Jedi and Ezra being his "Padawan" made me fearful the series would come off too Jedi-centric in a era and setting that I thought should be focused on a different war.  But overall, and what the ending emphasized is that the series is less about "Rebels" and more about Ezra and the Spectre crew.  As long as I keep that in mind, I can be okay with it.

[obligatory grumbling about internet spoilers when Canada got the show a week late moving on]

I was quite satisfied with the way this series wrapped up. It reminds me of Deep Space Nine's finale (a series I resented finished rewatching and a personal favorite) with a threat defeated, some tragic but poignant casualties and a nice coda to show where many of these characters ended up. This is, I guess I should say was, a show that like the 2012 TMNT and The Walking Dead, I want to really like ALL of the time instead of about HALF of the time. But it stuck the landing where it counted by having the back half of the final season be nothing but the good stuff.

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Ball's in Fioni's court now. On that note, has Filoni confirmed whether Cad Bane's dead or not? Because I'd really like to know.
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 14, 2018, 04:59:39 AM
Yeah Thrawn though...  :thumbup:

It's almost not exactly how I would have imagined him, but actually much better.  Like going back to when I read Heir to the Empire, it's pretty much what I was reading coming off the page.  The way he looked, sounded, the way he acted and all the things he did was EXACTLY what I thought it would be before I knew what it could be.

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Hopefully, by the next series we can see MORE Legends characters brought over to Canon.  STILL patiently waiting for Revan, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Dash Rendar, Xizor, Kyle Katarn, C'Boath, Mara Jade(though those latter few might be a little problematic for continunity).   

Looking forward to what Filoni comes up with next!
Title: Re: Star Wars Rebels
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 14, 2018, 10:21:05 AM
Yeah Thrawn though...  :thumbup:

It's almost not exactly how I would have imagined him, but actually much better.  Like going back to when I read Heir to the Empire, it's pretty much what I was reading coming off the page.  The way he looked, sounded, the way he acted and all the things he did was EXACTLY what I thought it would be before I knew what it could be.

It wasn't that surprising that Thrawn turned out so well considering that Filoni was a Thrawn fanboy. He made that clear from the early days of Clone Wars when he adapted the "Thrawn Maneuver" for a space battle in one of the first arcs of the show, admitting that in the web featureless that accompany each episode.

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