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Title: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 30, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
I just watched through all of them so just to throw out some opinions on them.Son of Batman,WAR and Throne of Atlantis are already commented upon extensivly,so im gonna skip them.All of them have awessome cast,just to clear that out.Most actors from DCAU reprise their roles.Nathan Filion as Hal Jordan(Sheldon would be happy),and Neil Patrick Harris as Flash were absolutly brilliant.

-Wonder woman- I really dont like sitting through origin stories I already know too well.And it recycles the Hades arc from JL,but with Ares in his place.Really nothing new for me here.  :(

 -Batman: Assault on Arkham-More like Deadshot,The Movie.Im not a fan of Arkham games in the first place,so it doesnt sit right with me.King Shark was a nice adition.

-Batman: Year One-Origin story,but handled pretty good.Bryan Cranston is great as Jim Gordon.

-Green Lantern:First Flight-Again,origin story we all know.But more of a police drama with Sinestro and Hal at first.Its okey.

-JL Flashpoint Paradox-By far the BEST of them all.Stellar voice cast,great animation,great story.It has everything.  :thumbup:

-JL Crisis on Two earths: It was supposed to be Grand Finale of DCAU,but sadly its a stand alone film.Owlman was a great villan,we tottaly need more of him.Again,good movie.

-JL New Frontier: Reimagining the Justice League in the 50s was brilliant.It was great seeing how the heroes change through the movie.Unfortunatly its only 70 minutes,so there wasnt place for anything more.

-All-Star Superman-Functions great as the final Superman story,but suffers from WAY TOO MANY subplots.Seriously there is enough material for a season of TV here.

-Batman the Dark Knight returns-It was great simply.Great final story for Batman.One of the best Batman adaptations I ever watched.
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-Batman: Under the Red Hood-Its a masterpiece,quite simply.Jensen Ackles is brilliant as Jason Todd.

-Green Lantern:Emerald Knight-A collection of stories about notable GLs like Abin Sur and Mogo(hehe).Very entertaining.

-JLA Adventures:Trapped in Time-Very childish,bur fun.Loved the Time Trapper.

-Justice League Doom-Not mindblowing,but pretty good.It was nice seeing Malefic.

-Superman/Batman Public Enemies-Probably the weakest of the whole lott.I mean Lex Luthor kisses Amanda Waller,whats with that? :doh:
Toyman was funny,thou...

-Superman/Batman Apocalypse-I liked it,not much to add besides that.

-Superman Unbound-A little different take on Brainiac.Very mediocre IMO.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 30, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
-Superman vs the Elite-It captures everything I liked about Superman.A does a lott of questioning on his moral choices.Probably my favourite movie here.
-Batman vs Dracula-Kinda nonsensical,but a good movie.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Cyber Burn on January 30, 2015, 07:15:44 PM
Sorry, but spoilers would have been nice for those who haven't seen these yet.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 30, 2015, 07:35:01 PM
Oh,now I see one thats problematic,sorry.Im gonna tag it when im on PC.

Done,and done.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on February 07, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
I really liked Batman: Dark Knight Returns. I own pt 1 on Bluray. I think it's the only DC animated movie I own that wasn't taped off tv (I should really replace my VHS recording of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker with a DVD or Blu-Ray one of these days though). I like the movie of DKR a lot more than the comic, which I wasn't really impressed by. The music was epic and Micheal Emerson was a pretty great Joker. Peter Weller as Batman was incredibly hit-or-miss IMO.

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I saw Son of Batman a while ago and I thought that was decent. While most of the rest of the cast was meh Damion was IMO pretty good. I'm looking forward to the next one with him.
JL Flashpoint Paradox was just ok. I never read the comic but my interest in it was always pretty low. 
I'm actually watching JL War right now and it's pretty mediocre. The animation is rather hit-or-miss and the voice acting in general is pretty weak. I agree with anyone who said WW was terrible in the original thread. She didn't sound right for the character at all and the line delivery was pretty weak.
[Edited to add] I will say that I was pleasantly surprised by Alan Tudyk as Superman. He was surprisingly decent. Sounds very similar to Tim Daily and George Newbern from the DCAU though. Hal Jordon was annoying as hell. And he seriously sounded like Glenn Quagmire to me.

That's the main thing that bugs me about some of these movies. The stunt-casting. Ever since Flashpoint, they've all been largely stunt casted to a fault. It's mostly guys from current tv shows who have little to no experience with voice acting. Sure they've done it before (Jensen Ackles as Jason Todd is a good example) but the movies have suffered for it lately IMO. I can't see going back to the DCAU guys (as JL Doom and the Superman/Batman movies did) as anything but an improvement.

Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 08, 2015, 06:17:30 AM
Actually,most of the movies have the cast of DCAU reprising their roles.Kevin Conroy is THE Batman for me.I mean,when I read Batmans line,I hear it ih his voice.Same thing for Mark Hamill as Joker. :)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on February 10, 2015, 01:47:10 AM
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm strictly talking about the last three Justice League movies and Son of Batman (both of which featured Jason O'Mara as Batman, rather than Conroy or even Bruce Greenwood). The DCAU was a really great set of cartoons and movies, so much so that it casts a long shadow on every last cartoon DC's done since. The generally excellent voice cast it had was very much a part of that. I'm specifically saying I WANT Conroy, et all doing these instead of the guys from Criminal Minds/NCIS/whatever crime show they get some of these guys from. Conroy was in Assault on Arkham, which I appreciate, but he is also in most of the games that movie was tying into.

To give a perfect example of what I'm talking about: Cyborg. One thing I really appreciated about Injustice was they just had Khary Payton from Teen Titans do the voice, just not wacky and hammy like he does in that show, and he sounded great. I'm not opposed to new guys doing the voices (Troy Baker's Joker is fantastic) but they'd have to be better than they've been lately.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 26, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
I forgot to mention Superman: Doomsday.Didnt like it that much.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 11, 2015, 05:51:25 AM
DCs next animated movie will be Killing Joke.
http://screenrant.com/batman-killing-joke-animated-movie/ (http://screenrant.com/batman-killing-joke-animated-movie/)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on July 11, 2015, 02:46:28 PM
Well...bah, I can't say that interests me too much.  I imagine I'm in the minority on that score, though.

I'd love to see them tackle some Satellite Era JLA stories.  That's extremely unlikely though, given the focus on the joyless New 52 Universe and major stories like this.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 11, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
^If you want some fun DC comics I recommend All-star section 8,Bizarro and Bat-Mite.
Killing Joke is in the making for years now.Similar to that,I wonder why they havent adapted Kingdom Come yet?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: kkhohoho on July 11, 2015, 03:34:29 PM
I'd love to see them tackle some Satellite Era JLA stories.

No offense, but I'd rather not, unless they can give their own spin on them. I binged through all of the classic League comics a year ago -- all the way from the first issue to the beginning of the Detroit era -- and while they usually weren't bad, they were often just kind of mediocre. The problem in the 60's was that there was barely any characterization compared to, say, Avengers, and the problem in the Sattelite Era was that, while the early 70's stuff could be fun, a lot of the stories after that were just sort of 'meh'. And of course, with most characters on the team still having a book or feature of their own, most character development still happened in their own books or features rather than in Justice League itself, to it's detriment. (Though Red Tornado and Zatanna helped to alleviate this somewhat.) Maybe they could do some of the Lein Wein stuff, but other than that, I honestly wouldn't be too interested.

Now if they did Justice League International, that would be a different story...
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: spydermann93 on July 11, 2015, 06:23:20 PM
^If you want some fun DC comics I recommend All-star section 8,Bizarro and Bat-Mite.
Killing Joke is in the making for years now.Similar to that,I wonder why they havent adapted Kingdom Come yet?

I would love to see that story get some love! :wub:
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 11, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
^I know,right? :D
And seeing that a Milestone line is returning with Earth-M,there is probably a good chance for a movie there.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on July 11, 2015, 07:09:27 PM
I'd love to see them tackle some Satellite Era JLA stories.

No offense, but I'd rather not, unless they can give their own spin on them. I binged through all of the classic League comics a year ago -- all the way from the first issue to the beginning of the Detroit era -- and while they usually weren't bad, they were often just kind of mediocre. The problem in the 60's was that there was barely any characterization compared to, say, Avengers, and the problem in the Sattelite Era was that, while the early 70's stuff could be fun, a lot of the stories after that were just sort of 'meh'. And of course, with most characters on the team still having a book or feature of their own, most character development still happened in their own books or features rather than in Justice League itself, to it's detriment. (Though Red Tornado and Zatanna helped to alleviate this somewhat.) Maybe they could do some of the Lein Wein stuff, but other than that, I honestly wouldn't be too interested.

Now if they did Justice League International, that would be a different story...

Kk, put Timm and co. in charge, and of course they'd elevate those stories!  That's one of the things about those old Bronze Age JLA tales, they had tons of potential, but they usually weren't fantastic in-and-of themselves, though there are more than a few that are pretty darn good.  I suppose what I really want is JLU back.  :(  Ahh well, c'est la vie.

Good question Spade!  Yeah, Kingdom Come is one of the greatest DC stories of all time.  It really should get an adaptation.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on July 11, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
I'm really not surprised that they are doing Killing Joke. It's long been rumored that Mark Hamill who is using the whole "not doing Joker" thing as a way to play hardball with DC and get them to animate Killing Joke.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 12, 2015, 01:09:42 AM
Umm, Tomato? That's a MAJOR spoiler for Arkham Knight, a game I've yet to actually play. Please show consideration for other people when posting spoilers, just as you asked when Age of Ultron came out.

Benton, if it's JLA you're interested in, they also announced a new JLA vs. Titans Animated movie, which will apparently be an original story. They're also doing an original story animated Batman movie that's going to introduce Batwoman (ironic, considering the last Batman TAS movie they did was Mystery of the Batwoman, which was loosely based on the comics at best).
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on July 12, 2015, 03:27:06 AM
Danggit, you are right, edited the post. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Cyber Burn on July 12, 2015, 03:43:53 AM
^If you want some fun DC comics I recommend All-star section 8,Bizarro and Bat-Mite.
Killing Joke is in the making for years now.Similar to that,I wonder why they havent adapted Kingdom Come yet?

I would love to see that story get some love! :wub:

Personally, the one story that I would love to see get some love, would be "The Golden Age". Probably one of the best, if not actually the best, Elseworlds Story ever told.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 12, 2015, 05:58:13 AM
Something I will probably get a lott of hate for,but I would like to see Hush adapted.The story actually feels like it was writen for a movie.There are also City of Crime and Dead Reckoning worth mentioning.Also seeing all the love for Batman,its weird Knightfall was never adapted in any form?
Maybe,somewhat in Arkham Knight.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on July 12, 2015, 06:40:48 AM
Something I will probably get a lott of hate for,but I would like to see Hush adapted.The story actually feels like it was writen for a movie.There are also City of Crime and Dead Reckoning worth mentioning.Also seeing all the love for Batman,its weird Knightfall was never adapted in any form?
Maybe,somewhat in Arkham Knight.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the core elements of Hush adapted. I liked elements of it, and it was written back when Jeph Loeb was still fairly capable. I wouldn't mind seeing adaptions of Long Halloween and Dark Victory either, if not for length.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 12, 2015, 07:06:49 AM
Danggit, you are right, edited the post. Sorry about that.
It's all right. We should also keep in mind with the PC version problems, some fans will get to the game later than they normally would.

Spade, I can't speak for anyone else, but I think Hush is a perfectly sound idea for an animated movie. I've always thought of it as a "Batman World Tour" (even the covers show as many Bat-Family members as possible), which has always worked well for video games, and some animated movies. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies is a good example of that, though ironically Under the Red Hood cut out that aspect from the comics, as I understand it (I've not read the comic version myself).

As for Knightfall, one could say it got some nods in The Dark Knight Rises.

In both cases, I'm a big fan of adapting comic material that hasn't made it to movie/tv territory yet, so my non-comics reading friends and relatives IRL can get in on the fun.  On a more selfish note, I really would like to see Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain make it into adaptations, since unlike, say, Dickard Grayson, that's material that hasn't been done over and over and they've only made a few cameos in stuff.

Justice League International would be a nice change of pace. It kinda got a nod with the Justice League in Batman: Brave and the Bold.

On the note of Hamill as Joker,  2 things:

1. Some fans have scrutinized the fact that Hamill also played Joker in DC Universe Online, which was getting a Joker themed update at the time. The game is still being updated to this day. I've played it recently, and I can personally say Hamill (and Arleen Sorkin as Harley Quinn) are in it for the whole thing, appearing in main story missions, optional content, and collectable audio logs. The thing is, I don't think anyone knows when all that was recorded. (Sorkin as Harley is an interesting hiccup - Tara Strong took over the role starting with Batman: Arkham City, and usually plays her in everything).

2. It's also possible DC learned of Troy Baker's awesome con panel reading of the Joker's monologue from the Killing Joke, and said "Let's greenlight this b___". In that case, as with Assault on Arkham, Baker might be playing Joker in it. Which I'd fine with. He's been a fantastic replacement for Hamill.

[Edit] I still want my animated movie of Forever Ever with Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor though.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on July 12, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
Sad thing is, I've BEEN making sure not to let that slip in the Arkham thread, I just posted it here without thinking.

And I for one would LOVE forever evil, though I worry it's a bit too close to DC's last evil universe one, Crisis on Two Earths.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 13, 2015, 06:26:50 AM
Sad thing is, I've BEEN making sure not to let that slip in the Arkham thread, I just posted it here without thinking.

I noticed, and I appreciate that.

In my mind, the Forever Evil adaptation would be a loose adaptation anyway, similar to Justice League: Doom. But you're right, it's very similar, with Luthor and the Crime Syndicate in major roles. One way to get around this would be to change the villains to someone else (like Justice League Doom did with Vandal Savage).
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: bat1987 on July 13, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
Oh wow, this one will be really tricky to adapt. Really interested in seeing how they replicate Brian Bolland's art and what are they gonna do with the ending.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 28, 2015, 07:07:08 AM
^ Honestly, after the way they did the art in the Dark Knight Returns animated movies (which is to say, they kept the bulky Miller style but took out all of the messy inconsistent "squiggly line cartoon character" looking stuff. In short, it looked great), which was one of if not my major sticking point with the comic, I'm sure it'll do fine.

 So I saw this today: It's being reported that Hamill will indeed do Killing Joke, and has already recorded his lines.  (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/07/28/mark-hamill-reportedly-voicing-the-joker-in-the-killing-joke-animated-movie)

Now first off: SPOILER ALERT. Some of the articles reporting this (not the one I linked to) spoil the Arkham Knight videogame. Fair warning.

People are saying that Conroy's gotta be in there, and yeah, I say that's a given. They're also talking whether it'll be toned down. I think that'll be the most interesting part of this whole enterprise. DC's done a lot more violence in their DVD movies in recent years but the creepy sex stuff in it might be too much. Honestly if they toned that down but nailed the rest of the story I'd be fine with because it's all the other stuff (the stuff that's made into the movies and video games and such) that I love from it.


Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on July 28, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
What was the creepy sex part?  The Joker shot her, took off her clothes and took pictures of her that he later on showed Jim to drive him crazy.  If you read the comics, there were no nudity, the most you saw was a cheek or 2.  It kind of annoys me that people took it further than what actually happen.  The Joker did not have his way with her, he just took pics, that's all.  I don't think DC needs to tone it down, just put a PG13 label on it.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Alan Moore actually had to explain that Joker didnt defile Barbara,so there is that.
Ofc,that being a story by Alan Moore,cant blame people for being confused.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: kkhohoho on July 28, 2015, 01:58:02 PM
Just an FYI, here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec&fmt=18) an example of what Mark Hamill's 'Killing Joke' Joker might sound like, and if it turns out anything like this, then DC's got my money.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on July 28, 2015, 02:36:31 PM
Just an FYI, here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec&fmt=18) an example of what Mark Hamill's 'Killing Joke' Joker might sound like, and if it turns out anything like this, then DC's got my money.

That was so creepy and yet, he makes a good point.  I love it.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 28, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
What was the creepy sex part?  The Joker shot her, took off her clothes and took pictures of her that he later on showed Jim to drive him crazy.  If you read the comics, there were no nudity, the most you saw was a cheek or 2.  It kind of annoys me that people took it further than what actually happen.  The Joker did not have his way with her, he just took pics, that's all.  I don't think DC needs to tone it down, just put a PG13 label on it.

Fair warning I'm posting this really tired and I cut out some stuff that I can always chime in on again later if this thread takes off:

I could have phrased that better. And just for the record, I both have read and own the comic.

I always thought Gordon's captivity had a BDSM theme to it myself, and I mistakenly remembered the Joker's minions being in gimp costumes, so that one's on me. You would be mistaken about the nudity. It shows Barbara's nipples when Joker is showing the naked photos. I literally just checked my copy of the HC to confirm these (for the record, I own the recolored version. This might make me a traitor). I should also point out that the comic is labeled "Suggested for Mature Readers" which usually equates to an R-rating (though animated features with comparable content do often get a PG-13, so you're not wrong there)

 I think Warner Bros might have issues putting that out on a dvd that's going to sit on stores next to stuff for the younger set. Especially when DC recently recalled a Batgirl variant cover that simply alluded to the events of TKJ, after a significant backlash (including from the book's own writer).

Really though, the treatment of Babs in TKJ is really frigging sexist. And as the book was made almost 30 years ago, DC/WB might feel their animated movie made in 2015 for the mass market might bear to be a little more progressive. Heck, considering how loose most of these films have been (Year One and KNR are definitely some of the the most faithful), Babs might not even factor in at all.

Actually another thing about TKJ is it's fairy short, especially compared to other storylines they've adapted, and doesn't have much action. An animated movie would probably have to expand it just to fit a proper runtime and feel like a movie.

Spoilers for the Batman Arkham Knight videogame:

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^ Pretty good, but the real Hamill would be way better. The Troy Baker reading was awesome on its own.

If it's really Hamill, and they do a good job on it, yeah, DC's got my money. Even though I harp on the use of Barbara, I actually really do love the Killing Joke, I think it's the definitive Joker story story (which is way Batman 89, Dark Knight, and the last three Arkham games have cherry picked the best bits from it). I really would love to see Hamill nail that material.

Oh, and for goodness sake please cast a good Jim Gordon for this.

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Alan Moore actually had to explain that Joker didnt defile Barbara,so there is that.
Ofc,that being a story by Alan Moore,cant blame people for being confused.

Well, Watchmen had a sexual assault in it, which did make it into the movie. Even Moore has said he went too dark with Killing Joke. I think between the Arkham series, the Dark Knight, and the new Jared Leto version, the public view of the character is a lot closer to that now though.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2015, 03:43:22 PM
Yes,the scene from Watchman...There is also a story in Swamp Thing,where the title character is "attacked" by a sentient satellite.Its even weirder then it sounds if you haven't read it.
And you could interpret that scene in Killing Joke in different ways.Seriously,there is a reason Alan Moore had to explain it.
IMO,I think Dennis O'Neil did the best job at writing Joker."What,haven't you ever seen a comic strip?"  :lol:
Which kinda reminds me,WAY too much for one movie I know,but No Mans Land?Anyone?  ;)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 29, 2015, 02:35:08 AM
Eh. haven't really read No Man's Land (partly because it was out of print for several years) but a simplified, shorter version could work. It's also more recently played out material in Dark Knight Rises and Arkham City. And of course, it would finally give them an excuse to adapt Cassandra Cain. ;) Actually, the only part of that story I've read was in Azreal and Cass was in those issues.

While I have a lot of respect for Denny O'Neal as a Batman writer and editor (I'm of the opinion that under his editing the Batman books in the 90s were surprisingly good. Chuck Dixon was the man on Robin and Nightwing), I don't think I've actually ever read a Denny O'neal story with Joker in it. Now I'm kinda curious.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 29, 2015, 05:16:19 AM
In a nutshell,O'neil actually strikes a balance between monster and the clown.Joker is still a maniac,but hes actually funny for most of the time.
Actually,I belive DC is reprinting Legacy and No Mans Land sometimes soon.And Arkham Knight gave them a reason to collect Azrael v1 finnaly.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 29, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Yes, I didn't mention that, but I was aware that No Man's Land and Azreal were being reprinted.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: kkhohoho on July 31, 2015, 02:18:24 AM
I think this one's been mentioned, but in any case, here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erIcwVqq8yo) another example of what a Hamill Joker in The Killing Joke may sound like, courtesy of Troy Baker. His performance is almost entirely based off of Hamill's take on the role, though it's just a tad more subtle and menacing.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 02, 2015, 04:48:26 PM
Batman Unlimited:Monster Mayhem was just kinda...meh.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: doctorchallenger on August 04, 2015, 02:05:09 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing adaptions of Long Halloween and Dark Victory either, if not for length.

In this era of Netflix/Amazon Prime/etc. - DC should adapt these as a binge watching mini-series. Perhaps Byrne's Man of Steel mixed with Man for All Seasons (which would bring the series up to 10 episodes), O'Neil Adams Batman (perhaps modifying the first Ras Al Ghul arc as a framing device), Englehart/Rogers Batman (from Detective Comics), the first Moore Swamp Thing Arc, and Davis' Nail/Another Nail series would be others that I would love to see. A great way to promote Suicide Squad as a film franchise would be an ongoing, binge-able adaptation of Ostrander's Suicide Squad (it would also promote views of the Killing Joke, as Oracle was created in Suicide Squad). Actually I would watch a faithful adaptation of pretty much any series Ostrander wrote for DC.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 04, 2015, 02:54:39 PM
Seeing that Snyder is all the rage,might as well adapt Black Mirror.
Saga of Swamp Thing would be a bit hard to translate to screens,but  I would love to see that.
And,heck,why not an Authority adaptation?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on August 05, 2015, 05:32:38 PM
I have to get this off my chest, so bare with me:

People have compared Marvel movies with DC movies and complained that Marvel did their movies better than DC.  I have also heard that DC is copying Marvel by making separate heroes films and doing one big one at the end.  While Marvel may have hit the target by doing this, DC is not copying them, DC done it first before Marvel.  How?  you asked?  Just look at Batman: TAS and the see how it became a whole (Timm)universe within DC animation.

Thank you for reading, now back to the show!
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 05, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
Its hard to compare universes since there is only 1 movie in DCCU.And Valiant has addopted the same formula with their Cinematic Universe.
I cant pick a storyline that would be good for a movie,but Sandman.Something can definitly be made there.It would be cool to see some Vertigo animated films.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 30, 2015, 04:51:16 AM
Killing Joke will have an additional 15 minutes added to the story.Kind of a prologue,I think.
Another massive arc that deserves a movie: Sub Diego.It can be done.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 30, 2015, 08:06:35 PM
I would love to see a Sub Diego film, but the trouble is that it never really got a satisfying conclusion because of DC stupidity, endless events, and unstable creative teams.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 31, 2015, 04:16:20 AM
Yeah,Infinite Crisis screwed up pretty much everyone.But a movie could have a different ending ofc.Or just an ending.
No better place to mention this.Tom Hardy is working on a new DC project that isnt a movie or a TV show,and is kinda like Transmetropolitan.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 31, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
True Spade.  If I had more faith in the folks behind these movies, I could get pretty excited about that prospect.  It would be a perfect opportunity to fix that series's problems. 
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 09, 2015, 05:28:38 AM
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MintyNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123869&utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_647087 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MintyNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123869&utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_647087)
Still not a better place to mention it so: Tom Hardys new DC project is 100 Bullets.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 14, 2015, 10:25:42 AM
(http://pre11.deviantart.net/32eb/th/pre/i/2012/148/c/c/batman_the_animated_series__the_killing_joke_by_jackskelling10-d51f00q.jpg)

There is apparently a petition for DC to cancel Killing Joke.Because why would they rehash that story etc,etc...
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on September 14, 2015, 06:16:32 PM
Yes, because petitions do so much.  :rolleyes:

Listen, the real reason DC is doing this is fairly simple (Minor spoilers for Arkham Knight):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

...and as far as DC is concerned, no one could buy the Killing Joke and the money they put into it would still be worth it. Besides, at this point, they've already started production, so it would take a major, MAJOR backlash against the film to cause them to reconsider at this point, and people are so excited for more Mark Hamill that's not going to happen. So yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about any petitions or anything putting a stop to the film.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 15, 2015, 04:02:36 AM
Cant say I was really worried.If online petitions did anything we wouldnt have Ben Afleck as Batman.And Hard Time would be a TV show.Yet here we are.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 05, 2015, 11:09:51 AM
(http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jla/c01.jpg)

New Justice League animated series confirmed.Rumored title is Justice League: Action.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on October 05, 2015, 03:59:26 PM
Color me curious about this.  From what (very) little we can tell from the single piece of promo art we've seen, it looks like it is at least somewhat in the style of Batman: The Brave and the Bold

http://firestormfan.com/2015/09/23/jlaction/

In general, I'm interested in JLA shows, so here's hoping this one is a good one.  I could watch something in the B&B line centered around the League (especially if they kept up the mostly good treatment of Aquaman), but I would, of course, prefer something closer to the Timm-verse.  Unfortunately, the latter seems extremely unlikely.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 09, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
2 new movies in 2016:
Batman: Bad Blood
Justice League vs Titans
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on October 09, 2015, 07:13:29 PM
Batman: Bad Blood reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maX-ObiJB3o

Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: spydermann93 on October 10, 2015, 02:35:44 AM
HISHE, I love you :wub:
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on October 10, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Killing gets the ok to be R rated

http://batman-news.com/2015/10/09/batman-the-killing-joke-rated-r/

That doesn't mean that it will be, but they got the OK
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 11, 2016, 08:09:33 PM
www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134193-kevin-conroy-mark-hamill-tease-reprising-iconic-roles-in-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134193-kevin-conroy-mark-hamill-tease-reprising-iconic-roles-in-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie.html)
He is the vengence,he is the night,he is Batman! :D
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 25, 2016, 06:32:20 AM
Bad Blood was,idk,like they fused 2-3 movies together.Its all style,no substance.And despite the fact that Batman doesnt kill,EVERY villain dies,rather messy.Is Spectre following Bat-family around just to troll them?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on January 25, 2016, 03:05:17 PM
Bad Blood was ok.  I like how they did Batwoman and the ending was cool, which means there's going to be another Bat movie coming out soon.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 15, 2016, 07:33:21 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-kevin-conroy-mark-hamill-star-batman-killing-joke (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-kevin-conroy-mark-hamill-star-batman-killing-joke)
Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill confirmed for Killing joke.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/first-look-still-from-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie?utm_campaign=first-look-still-from-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/first-look-still-from-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie?utm_campaign=first-look-still-from-batman-the-killing-joke-animated-movie&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner)
First image from the movie.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 01, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
I just saw Justice League vs Teen Titans.It was a joyless experience.  <_<
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on April 01, 2016, 11:18:52 PM
How surprising.  :(  I just got the Brave and Bold dvds.  I think I'm going to watch some of them tonight to cheer myself up.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: JeyNyce on April 02, 2016, 02:51:16 AM
I just finish watching Justice League vs Teen Titans and it wasn't all that.  Since when did Starfire become Sailor Moon???  The only good/ funny part was the quick talk between Supes & Flash

This just make me wish they bring back Young Justice
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 08, 2016, 04:23:01 AM
http://comicbook.com/2016/06/07/justice-league-dark-revealed-to-be-next-dc-animated-movie/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/06/07/justice-league-dark-revealed-to-be-next-dc-animated-movie/)
After the Killing Joke,we have Justice League Dark.I hope this one wont suck.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Cyber Burn on June 27, 2016, 08:43:12 PM
Just got my Ticket for the July 25th theatrical showing of "The Killing Joke". I have to admit, I'm quite excited about this.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 15, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Mark Hamill will sing a song during the Killing Joker movie.  (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/mark-hamill-will-lend-his-voice-to-batman-the-killing-jokes-soundtrack)

Awesome.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 23, 2016, 08:29:00 AM
And that song killed the mood a bit.Voice acting was great as expected.Animation was passable,lets say.
First half an hour is an overly long intro concerning Batgirl chasing some mobster.Which should give some depth to Barbara.but actually makes her seem a bit unbalanced.Rest of the movie was surprisingly faithful to the source material and I cant really complain about anything there.Funny thing is that credits read "based on a graphic novel illustrated by Brian Bolland" with no mention of who wrote the GN in question.
And the elephant in the room-
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Talavar on July 23, 2016, 12:35:38 PM
And that song killed the mood a bit.Voice acting was great as expected.Animation was passable,lets say.
First half an hour is an overly long intro concerning Batgirl chasing some mobster.Which should give some depth to Barbara.but actually makes her seem a bit unbalanced.Rest of the movie was surprisingly faithful to the source material and I cant really complain about anything there.Funny thing is that credits read "based on a graphic novel illustrated by Brian Bolland" with no mention of who wrote the GN in question.
And the elephant in the room-
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm pretty sure  Alan Moore told DC to take his name of all the adaptations of everything he wrote after the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie.  He's not credited on the movie versions of V for Vendetta or Watchmen either.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 23, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
A reminder that James Robinson was the writer of LoEG movie,so we cant really Moore for wanting to distance from that.
Can really say that I paid attention to credits in Watchmen.I shoud recheck that.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Midnite on July 24, 2016, 12:17:54 AM
Teen Titans, Batman and Harley Quinn animated films coming (http://www.superherohype.com/news/378943-teen-titans-batman-and-harley-quinn-animated-films-coming)

Teen Titans: The Judas Contract animated film is back!
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2016, 10:44:23 AM
To return to Killing Joke,problem is that is basicly two movies in one.A good adaptation of the actual story,and a prequel thats on pair with "Damien trilogy" of New52 animated movies.
I hope they Rebirth the movies soon.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: bat1987 on July 28, 2016, 05:26:55 PM
To return to Killing Joke,problem is that is basicly two movies in one.A good adaptation of the actual story,and a prequel thats on pair with "Damien trilogy" of New52 animated movies.

Pretty much. The Killing Joke portion of the movie is the perfect adaptation of the source material. The "controversial" part of the prequel is not as bad as some people online made it out to be, but it was weird nevertheless and was an uneccesary addition to the plot IMO.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2016, 06:00:46 PM
A smirking gargoyle didnt really help that moment.
Irony being,thats the scene that got the movie R-rating.And its not even in the comic.
In a perfect world those 30 minutes would have been spent on Joker,since Mark Hammil was one of the main draws for the movie.And we would get a separate Batgirl movie that does more justice to the character.But...
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 03, 2016, 06:05:49 AM
So I watched it. It was alright, I enjoyed it. The Batgirl stuff didn't really bother me. I appreciated that they tried to make it more her story, even if for the first 30 minutes I kinda forgot what movie I was watching. And yes, I laughed when it showed the gargoyle.
I complained earlier about the art style when the trailer came out but when I watched the movie I was used to it so it didn't bother me.
The voice cast was quite good, but that's what I was expecting. I especially liked hearing Hamill do the flashbacks. I'm glad Gordon didn't sound overly gruff like he does in the Arkham games. He sounded more like he did in Batman TAS. Bullock's voice actor was also decent, as was Alfred.
I especially liked the bit at the end:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm genuinely curious what Batman animated movie we'll see next, not counting the Harley Quinn one.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 04, 2016, 10:11:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/T5D3c45.png)
Bruce,you the only one who understands me.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 04, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
I always enjoyed that bit.  :)

Yeah, I'm not really interested in any of the stuff they're doing at the moment.  I hope they'll put out some stuff that is more FUN soon.  I'd love to see an Aquaman movie that was actually, you know, good.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 04, 2016, 02:47:00 PM
Next up are 2 Batman movies and Justice League Dark.But dont worry,Batman will be showing up there.I mean,we all like Batman,but give it a little rest.
Well,there was Throne of Atlantis.Which I found somewhat mediocre.
BTW,oddly enough,the competition pretty much gave up on animated movies.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 04, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Like I said, I'd like to see a GOOD Aquaman movie, and Throne of Atlantis was definitely not that.  :(
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 04, 2016, 05:31:42 PM
At least it wasnt about Batman.
But its a the N52 animated movie,so there were some familiar problems. 
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 05, 2016, 05:31:52 AM
Next up are 2 Batman movies and Justice League Dark.But dont worry,Batman will be showing up there.I mean,we all like Batman,but give it a little rest.

Hold on, two Batman movies? I've read it's Justice League Dark, "Batman and Harley Quinn" (which I could have sworn used to be called "Joker and Harley Quinn") and Teen Titans: The Judas Contract. What's the other Batman movie? Lego Batman?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 17, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/17/batman-adam-west-burt-ward-julie-newmar-animated?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/17/batman-adam-west-burt-ward-julie-newmar-animated?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter)
Told ya there will be another Batman movie. :)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Glitch Girl on August 17, 2016, 04:13:59 PM
Holy Retro Action Spade, you beat me to it (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-batman-66-returns-for-a-new-animated-movie-1785400516).

Totally worth it for the trailer death trap.  :)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: daglob on August 17, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
Holy Retro Action Spade, you beat me to it (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-batman-66-returns-for-a-new-animated-movie-1785400516).

Totally worth it for the trailer death trap.  :)

Oh boy! Batman Verses The Three or Four Villains of Doom all over again...
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 17, 2016, 06:20:04 PM
Well, I wasn't expecting that.  :blink: That's actually kinda awesome.

Doing a little google-fu revealed that movie's existence was announced a year ago. Guess I must have missed it, or otherwise forgotten it.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 17, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
Okay...that's a little bit awesome.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 25, 2016, 06:11:14 AM
Nobody posted it,so here is the trailer for Justice League Dark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHO9H8ePHFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHO9H8ePHFU)
It looks interesting.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 25, 2016, 03:54:54 PM
Hmm, I didn't even know they were making that.  It does indeed look interesting, but I have to say: what the heck does Batman bring to the table in this magical grudge match between mystic powered beings?  Ha, I'm guessing they just stuck him in because, heaven forbid you make a DC movie without Batman, but it seems a really odd choice. 

Yet, a movie about Etrigan, Zatanna, and other DC mystics?  Color me interested. 
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 31, 2016, 12:28:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYZekLljpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYZekLljpg)
Killing Joke honest trailer!  :)
Or more accurately: Batgirl: Sex and Gotham City(followed by Killing Joke).
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on August 31, 2016, 11:32:11 PM
Man, that is absolutely hilarious!  Also, I don't really care for the Killing Joke in the first place, so I wasn't very interested in this, but now?  Wow, yeah, I'll skip it.  I HATE the whole Batman/Batgirl relationship thing.  That's one of the only places where Bruce Timm is just completely and totally off, and his defense of that move in the way less awesome Animated Series return is just indicative of a bad storyteller, which we know he isn't.  People say, 'that's terrible, that's wrong!' and he says, 'yeah, that's why we did it!'  Transgression for the sake of transgression is pointless and stupid.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: kkhohoho on September 01, 2016, 04:57:15 AM
I don't really care for the Killing Joke in the first place--

BURN THE HERETIC! :angry:

(JK, in case it wasn't obvious. :P)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 01, 2016, 05:23:28 AM
Good news is,Batgirl part can be skipped due to wonders of scene selection.So home edition has that advantage.
I think this was more Azzarelos fault then Timms.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 16, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
https://youtu.be/MbA8TKIeJ7g (https://youtu.be/MbA8TKIeJ7g)
Justice League Dark rate R for "some disturbing violence". Again,they push the rating for all the wrong reasons...
There are still the N52 costumes and some not-so-great voice acting,but good news is...Martian Manhunter,Hawkman and John Stewart.
And Destiny of The Endless.Thats a bit odd.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Red Fisser on August 17, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
Have you seen the Batman and Harley Quinn yet? I saw it yesterday and liked it, although I ve heard a lot of bad comments about it in regards of its humor,its ending(though no spoilers here)and generally bad comparisons with other batman animated movies/the batman tas episodes,some compare it with the adam wests batman animations in regards of campy-ness,hence disrespectful of the batman tas.
 Imo these comparisons are wrong because this film is supposed to be a comedy,hence you cant expect it to follow the standard superhero adventure route, at least I didnt. I find it funny while paying the respect you d expect from bruce timm to the characters,and the btas universe in general,throwing lots of nods/easter eggs in the road for fans of btas to catch.
 The act is good from everyone including melissa rauch, whose sightly irritating voice is in line with the character,and  kevin conroy  gives as always topnotch batman portrayal without having to make him out of character funny cause of the comedic filter of the movie.In fact the total contrast of the seriousness in conroys batman is with the comedy elements is what makes it funny.
Its the same batman just in a comedic situation as conroy said himself. I think its humor has something of a different era of comedy, kinda gives me a bit of leslie nielsen feel to it.
 It has great fluid animation,some well animated choreographed battles unlike any other seen in the dcau/timmverse imo.
In regards of style it goes with the dark deco new batman adventures style,only taking the best of the style of batman tas like the batmobile, and a bit better character modeling regarding proportions,especially in poison ivy's case.
 Overall I think its a nice addition to the dcau/timmverse, had a fun watching it, and I d like to see what you guys think of it(also if anyone wants to see it he can pm me so I can share)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 17, 2017, 03:56:08 PM
If your asking me,no I havent.Come to think of it,Killing Joke was the last one I watched.That killed any good will for the rest.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Red Fisser on August 17, 2017, 04:36:08 PM
I tried to watch killing joke when it came out but I ultimately stopped it. I will see it someday when I will find the strength ,though batman and harley quinn  has nothing to do with it,if you like batman tas/tnba(especially the more funny episodes) I recommend you should see it.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 17, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
Im waiting for them to Rebirth their animated universe.Or figure out they have other characters then Batman.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 17, 2017, 09:32:15 PM
Well unfortunately, I read a few years ago that DC felt Green Lantern's animated movies (First Flight and Emerald Knights, the latter of which I still haven't seen) and Wonder Woman (which I also haven't watched yet; it's on Canadian Netflix so I'll likely watch it at some point) didn't sell enough, so they opted to just make Justice League, Batman and now Teen Titans movies. It's been a long while since there's been a Superman animated movie but I'll get to that in a bit.

I'm sure I'll watch Batman and Harley Quinn sometime. It'll either be as a digital rental, when it airs on Canadian TV or when it arrives on Netflix, I'm not sure which. I'm not in a hurry at the moment to watch it.

On the topic of DC Animated movies, the trailer for  Batman vs. Two Face (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx5UCaNlkQI) came out recently.

Looks fun. I've always wondered what Shatner's Two Face would sound like, and it looks like Harvey and Two Face will have two different voices from Shatner, with Two-Face having a gruffer voice. Neat, wasn't quite expecting that. We also see the origin of Two Face in this iteration of Batman, which I also wasn't expecting. Hugo Strange and Harley Quinn (as Dr. Harleen Quinzel) are also in this. The movie will apparently be released Oct. 17.

In addition, DC recently announced some new upcoming animated movies. There's going to be a new Suicide Squad animated movie, and a new animated movie based on The Death of Superman and the Reign of the Superman. Apparently it will be a two-parter and we will indeed see Steel, Cyborg Superman and the Eradicator. That could be potentially interesting. I'll have to wait for more intel.

Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 17, 2017, 10:40:53 PM
Emerald Knights was actually quite good.  It's a series of smaller stories rather than a typical movie, but I like it.  Also it adapts Mogo Doesn't Socialize, which is awesome.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 17, 2017, 11:38:50 PM
In regards to Batman and Harley Quinn (I haven't seen it yet), would it be appropriate for Children (In my case, a 7 yr old) to watch?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Red Fisser on August 18, 2017, 03:00:27 AM
I am not sure if I recommend it Cyber,for a 7year old, it has a pg13 some cursing and a ..middle..heres the official pg ratings reasons
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6556890/parentalguide?ref_=tt_stry_pg#certification
"intimate" action is also heavily implied(although not seen) but I feel obligated to mention that before thats implied theres that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xclKQL-SGMQ
and after thats implied theres this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrerfPyKjEE  after deciding on these I think you re ready to go.
Overall if you would allow your kid to see films like ghost busters or the naked gun(I did about that time) you should be fine with this one
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 18, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
Emerald Knights was actually quite good.  It's a series of smaller stories rather than a typical movie, but I like it.  Also it adapts Mogo Doesn't Socialize, which is awesome.

Yeah, that's what I heard. I actually heard someone just a few days ago online say it was better than First Flight, and I really enjoyed First Flight. I'll have to watch that one day.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: daglob on August 18, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
I second the vote on Emerald Knights.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Tomato on August 18, 2017, 04:50:23 PM
Emerald Knights was ok. I personally preferred First Flight, mostly because I feel it's the way DC SHOULD have done the live action film... self contained, almost completely in space, etc. Plus a couple of the stories in Emerald Knights are ripped from the comics... which is normally a good thing, but I found myself not as invested in those because they were just condensed versions of stories I felt the comics presented better.

Plus... for all the hype Nathan Fillion had garnered for that role, this was his first real voice acting job... and it kinda shows. He's not BAD, but he suffers from a bit of what I call "celebrity-itis" where someone who's used to live action is put into a voice booth. They know how to act, but they don't have mastery of their vocal range in the same way someone who's done a ton of voice work does.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 18, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
You shold have seen Richard Armitage mumble thru 90% of Castlevania.But who could blame him,really?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Red Fisser on August 18, 2017, 06:28:29 PM
"He's not BAD, but he suffers from a bit of what I call "celebrity-itis" where someone who's used to live action is put into a voice booth. They know how to act, but they don't have mastery of their vocal range in the same way someone who's done a ton of voice work does." Thats exactly how I felt seeing Kit Haringhton in how to train your dragon, celebrity-itis!(perhaps shoud called celebr-itis? :cool: ) but I think thats not the case for melissa rauch in harleys role. Perhaps from all the exercise voice acting in big bang theory..
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 18, 2017, 11:40:44 PM
Much appreciated on the the advice about Batman and Harley Quinn, Red. I Think I'll hold off on it until he's a bit more mature.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 16, 2017, 03:25:32 PM
In a case of "I said a lot of stupid things in the past" I have to correct myself- upon re-watch,I hated Superman Vs Elite.
For example,All-Star Superman reinforces Superman's legend and shows why hes so great,this movie is just a mean spirited attack on a comic that sold better.You all heard how The Authority was revolutionary and influential,so Im not going to repeat all that.So somebody felt a need to pit Superman against some straw clones.And they are straw-men of the highest order.At one point Superman explains:
-You cant just go around bombing anyone you don't like.( incredibly obvious setup)
To which Manchester Black retorts:
-Why not,your government does that.
Really?You realize Superman doesn't create American foreign policy?How is he responsible there?  :huh:
And so they are defeated once Superman fakes going crazier,beats them up and proves they are wrong.You would think that him using their own medicine against the Elite would kinda proved their point*,but no,apparently this proves Superman is right.

*Im not all that sure what their point (other then being straw-clones of Authority) or plan.No way they could have taken over the world,right?This is the DCU after all.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on September 16, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
Harry, I strongly disagree.  I quite like that movie, and I think it totally works.  The government comment is a classic example of moral equivalency.  I.E., 'they do it, so why don't we?'  It's an example of the fuzzy logic and bad philosophy that defines the position of the Elite, a moral relativism that contrasts very fittingly with Supes' objective based morality. 

The ending fits because Superman makes them see things from the perspective of the helpless; he turns the tables on them.  They are fine with the strong making their own rules because they are the strongest, but he shows them what it is like to be on the receiving end, what can happen when the stops are removed and someone more powerful than you feels that you need to be destroyed.  This, ideally, forces them to confront the reality of their self-serving ideology.  At the least, it teaches them not to screw with Superman, while still obeying his code.  This act also has a similar effect on the public, the mob that wanted violence, wanted blood.  The intensity of the object lesson embodied in the final battle illustrates to them that violence is always a negative, even when it is necessary, and unrestrained violence is a truly frightening thing. 

As always, the Man of Steel finds the tertium quid, the third way, solving problems and saving lives without actually descending to their level.

As for resemblances to The Authority, I can't really speak to that, as I don't really know those characters.  This movie was based on "What's so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" from Action Comics #775.  The comic and the movie that followed it are a response to what The Authority represents, the conflation of cynicism with maturity and clarity.  And the point they make is entirely valid, for whatever the quality of the latter may be.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 16, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
Im aware of the source material,but I already said my piece there.There was also a short lived Justice League Elite,proving you cant have your cake and eat it too.   :rolleyes:

For example,in Kingdom Come,resident anti-heroes point out villains are a lot worse today then in Supermans time,and thats kind of a valid point.Elite is never that logical.Almost all of their questions could be answered with: Its not Supermans job.
So really,thats my problem here,its not about proping Supes,its about tearing down The Authority.Its statement isnt that Superman is great,its that Authority sucks.
Its Kelly taking a piss at a better selling comic.Nothing wrong with that outright,but it didnt need a movie.
Again,there is Kingdom Come,which handles the theme much better.Why not make a Kingdom Come movie?Just dont give it a Killing Joke treatment.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on September 18, 2017, 12:16:03 AM
I think you're far too myopic in your view of this movie, my friend, limiting your appreciation.  You're letting an incident in its origin define it for you.  I don't have the associations with The Authority, so such concerns never entered in to my assessment.  Clearly there is more there than taking a shot at a more successful book, as an outsider to that context can still appreciate the film. 

In terms of the statement of the movie, there is indeed a good deal more than 'the Authority sucks.'  They establish Superman's ethical dilemma pretty effectively.  What do you do with destructive monsters like the Atomic Skull?  With the dictators and others who endanger innocents and who won't stop at a slap on the wrist?  Is what Superman does enough?  These are legitimate questions, aside from any outside context, and they do indeed impact on how the Man of Steel does his 'job.'  Is it his responsibility if he had the power to destroy a threat, chose not to, and it came back and killed people?  There is a school of thought that would answer 'yes.'  The scene with the Skull is particularly challenging on that front.  And the final confrontation reveals the flaws in that philosophy, and it also reveals the value of the traditional super-heroic ethos, as Superman finds the third way, restoring hope from fear.  This isn't as much about The Authority, specifically, as it is about comics at large and the concept of heroism, a focus on the true heroism, selfless, sacrificial heroism, rather than simple authoritarianism.  It's point is valid and valuable in our cynical age.

Comparing it to Kingdom Come is something of a non-sequitur, because they say rather different things.  Kingdom Come wrestles with concepts of heroism, but it provides no real answers, other than affirming the value of selfless sacrifice in CM's final gesture.  As for an adaptation of that film, I'd love it...but you could never get an art style that would do it justice, and, as you say, it could easily be handled terribly.  :P
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 18, 2017, 02:15:14 AM
Most of what I would normally say, Benton has already said, and far better than I would.  I will only add that this does not come across as just a response to Authority, but to it and many modern ultra violent superhero comics in general.  It's an argument for why the old fashioned stuff like Superman still works, even in a modern era.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on September 19, 2017, 02:43:26 AM
Thanks Cat!  :D  Well and succinctly said, yourself!
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 20, 2017, 06:13:19 PM
I'd like to weigh in!  :thumbup:

[EDIT: Whoa, I had a LOT of typos to fix.]

I'll start with a quick and easy one.

Emerald Knights was ok. I personally preferred First Flight, mostly because I feel it's the way DC SHOULD have done the live action film... self contained, almost completely in space, etc. Plus a couple of the stories in Emerald Knights are ripped from the comics... which is normally a good thing, but I found myself not as invested in those because they were just condensed versions of stories I felt the comics presented better.

That's not terribly surprising. I know it's an anthology and that's difficult to make feel narrative coherent and satisfying under the best of circumstances. There's also the fact that Green Lantern and the reason anyone (who's not still hung up about Kyle getting sidelined for Hal because Muh Silver Age Nostalgia, of course) gives a crap about Green Lantern these days is Geoff Johns and co have build up this sprawling ambitious mythology that's impressive in its scope and reach and draws heavily from the extended history of that property and a done-in-animated movie just isn't going to capture that in any meaningful way (see also: Death of Superman, which we'll be seeing DC take another shot at in the near future). First Flight actually, IMO did a rather job of it, strictly as a Sinestro story, but the extended mythology, while more satisfying to me, and I imagine, quite a few others than the Ryan Reynolds flick, largely amounted to "Hey, Boodika's in this, neat!" This is also an instance where the shocking violent deaths are to the story's benefit, since a big part of the shocking element of it is "Oh, so Sinestro's actually a monster. Ok, then". To do the modern Green Lantern mythos justice in an adaptation, I actually would 100% advocate for the Netflix treatment. You need more room to breathe than a done-in-one movie is going to allow, and Netflix would also lack the content restriction of a cartoon aimed at the kids. The Green Lantern animated series we did get, which I thought was actually pretty darn good when all was said and done, had to rework large chunks of the mythos (not the least of which the Red Lanterns) in order to have a story for the show, in the end it's pretty much its own thing.

Getting back to Emerald Nights. I of course won't know whether I like it or not until I see it, presumably when Netflix gets their act together and puts it up, but you and I have different takes on any number of things so I may have different take on that film as well.

This other comment by you, on the other hand, cannot go unchallenged.  :P

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Plus... for all the hype Nathan Fillion had garnered for that role, this was his first real voice acting job... and it kinda shows. He's not BAD, but he suffers from a bit of what I call "celebrity-itis" where someone who's used to live action is put into a voice booth. They know how to act, but they don't have mastery of their vocal range in the same way someone who's done a ton of voice work does.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. Fillion had a notable role prior to that, which I brought up a little while ago on here, which was Vigilante in JLU and I thought did an excellent job voicing him, which was consistent with his later voice work (including Hal) and his live action body of work in general. These days Fillion does voice work so often (including in a Firefly MMO that's probably never going to get released, which is a crying shame because I really really want to play that or at least get to see/hear it) I feel he occupies that Mark Hamill/Alan Tudyk/Kelly Hu/Micheal Dorn/ect area where he IS a voice actor who also happens to be a live action actor too.

"He's not BAD, but he suffers from a bit of what I call "celebrity-itis" where someone who's used to live action is put into a voice booth. They know how to act, but they don't have mastery of their vocal range in the same way someone who's done a ton of voice work does." Thats exactly how I felt seeing Kit Haringhton in how to train your dragon, celebrity-itis!(perhaps shoud called celebr-itis? :cool: ) but I think thats not the case for melissa rauch in harleys role. Perhaps from all the exercise voice acting in big bang theory..

I didn't realize Kit was in that series. I can say however, that Kit was awesome in Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare as the villain. His character was shallow even for a Call of Duty campaign but he chewed the scenery nonetheless, enough so to make his fate at the end of the game fairly satisfying. Pretty good for one of the only genuinely heroic characters in Game of Thrones (well, one of the ones who wasn't killed off in earlier series, of course).

On the topic of Batman & Harley Quinn, I don't think I commented on it here (???) but I did actually watch that clip, and as Alfred says, I ain't touching that one, other than to say, how the heck does poor Nightwing keep finding himself in these situations? I know he's known these days for having a nice backside but geez... So on the topic of the sexuality, I'll I personally wouldn't recommend that one to the young ones, since the sexuality is pretty damn overt even by DC Animation standards, but DC established somewhere around of the time of Flashpoint that most of these things aren't even remotely for kids anymore so wheteves. On the one hand, this is pretty on par with Assualt on Arkham, whose Harley was also pretty darn overtly sexual, but that was Arkham. I think a big part of the issue is this is, at least superficially if nothing else, based on Batman TAS, but written by modern day Bruce Timm, who, as we've established, apparently, sometime after doing Gods and Monsters, read one Frank Miller comic too many along with a hefty dose of way too much Bruce/Babs fanfic (well, not counting the ones he wrote himself, of course  :P).

It's actually pretty funny, considering that JL Gods and Monsters short. And, yeah, FYI, for those who didn't know, there were some web shorts of Justice League: Gods and Monsters, and in the first one, that version of Batman (who is a vampire and basically a serial killer, being voiced by Dexter and all) tracks down that universe's version of Harley Quinn, who is a brutal piss-take of basically every version of Harley since, well, around the time Arkham Asylum came out. Seriously, it's messed up. And he totally admitted that's what he was going for.

Back to Batman and Harley, I haven't seen the film myself, but everything I've seen and heard about it indicates that's it's an odd one. I'm not in a hurry to watch it but I know when I do, it's sure to be an interesting watch. I know it's got an extended fart joke in it, which sounds like just one of the most dreadful things anyone ever thought to put in these things but then again 1. modern day Bruce Timm and 2. I learned just the other day that Amanda Connor and Jimmy Palmiotti run of the Harley comic featured similar toilet humor, which doesn't particularly surprise me, so at least there's precedence for it. I've also heard the ending is just the biggest middle finger to the audience but I've have to see it for myself to see how it plays. I will say, that it features a surprise cameo by Bruce Timm himself as a well-established DC character you really wouldn't expect to see in this particular project (I'm not going to spoil who) that's full of win and seriously one of the funniest flippin' things I've EVER seen put in any DC project (and considering the character in question, that's saying a LOT).
I know a lot of people online absolutely detested the film to no end, which amuses me, and I do understand why, and yaknow, I think we're at the point where Bruce flippin' Timm of all people gets to be listed in the "Fallen Creator" Tvtropes page along with Valve, Bethesda and whoever the hell else just up and went "Oh you think you can flush away all the good will you generated over the years? Hold my beer."

On the topic of Rauch herself, I was actually fairly impressed with her performance for the character based on that clip. it works. When I heard she was cast, and before I saw the clip, I was rolling my eyes along with everyone else. It was a stunt casting through and through and I a lot of other people thought it killed the magic. If Sorkin actually came back to role (presumably because DC/WB gave her a not-insignificant amount of money to do so) I feel that actually would have elevated the project. Lester as Nightwing on the other hand, I don't agree with the people who say he's forgotten how to play the character (he sounded about right in the clip I saw), it's more that I think he was always more suited as Dick as Robin and pretty all of the later takes on Nightwing (Teen Titans Go Robin not withstanding of course) tended to do a little deeper voiced and little more gruff.

Incidentally, I actually had a much more long-winded passage about Harley Quinn written and I cut it out because really getting into tangent territory and this post is long enough as it is. I saved it though, just in case I get a good opportunity to use it again.
The long and short of is that all things considered, Harley's actually had a pretty awesome history of performances beyond Batman TAS's Arleen Sorkin. Good thing too, considering the character blew up so much after the first Arkham game.

You shold have seen Richard Armitage mumble thru 90% of Castlevania.But who could blame him,really?

While you and I have discussed Castlevania elsewhere, I could certainly say more on the topic (that warrants its own thread though; I wouldn't want to veer this one too off-topic) so sticking to the voice acting I thought Armitage was fine for the version of the character he was given. Though to be fair, IMO he was vastly eclipsed by James Callis (aka Gaius Frakkin Baltar) as the surprising accurate version of Alucard stealing the show for his 10 minutes of screentime. Part of that was that he really didn't sound like Gaius Baltar so I was impressed by that.

Going back to DC: as HT pointed out much earlier in this thread, the stunt casting is a tried and true tradition in DC animation. I'm glad it happens as that variety does keep thins fresh and a lot of actors have gotten to pretty much make the jump to full-on voice actor because someone (Andrea Romano, naturally) had the idea they could play a DC superhero character. The issue I have with the movies since, JL War or so, is the stunt casting prior to that, was, I feel, a lot more inspired previously. Now a lot of it is just stunt casting for the sake of stunt casting. Was Batman Assault on Arkham any better because Matthew Gray Gubler voiced Riddler instead of the Arkham series' Wally Wingert. Did some dullard WB executive honestly think some dude was more likely to buy Assualt on Arkham because a pre-Damien Dark Neal McDonaugh voiced Deadshot instead of Chris Cox (who did a great job voicing another snarky marksman, Hawkeye)?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on September 20, 2017, 06:14:01 PM
Finally, on the topic of Superman vs. the Elite:

In a case of "I said a lot of stupid things in the past" I have to correct myself- upon re-watch,I hated Superman Vs Elite.
For example,All-Star Superman reinforces Superman's legend and shows why hes so great,this movie is just a mean spirited attack on a comic that sold better.You all heard how The Authority was revolutionary and influential,so Im not going to repeat all that.So somebody felt a need to pit Superman against some straw clones.And they are straw-men of the highest order.


Well, I've also watched the movie twice now, and I enjoyed it both times, but it has a lot to do, for me with adjusting expectations and also reexamine things when re watching it (which you clearly did).

The thing about Elite is I always found the concept fascinating well before the film was even announced. The thing is though, Unlike quite a few of these that were direct adaptions where the source material was too long, Elite (in its comic form as "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice And the American Way?", a cumbersome title if ever there was one) was more like the Killing Joke in it was actually a done-in-one story. Initially at least. But it was an extra long issue of the series, so there actually was a fair amount of material the movie had to draw from, and as I understand it, simplify. I've not read the comic myself, but I'd like to one day, and the thing is, I heavily suspect the story actually works a little better in the comic, but the thing about the movie it's a pretty fundamentally interesting story idea but watching it the first I felt like it didn't go far enough to really illustrate what it was trying to say.

Arguably Grant Morrison did a better job with that one line about jetpack gorillas in his JLA Classified, which was of course in reference to Morrison's own Ultra Marine Corp.

Touching on "a comic that sold better". So they wanted to take a down it notch, take a shot at the new hotness, the biggest game in town.

Now, I'm going to take a moment and play devil's advocate for just a sec. Marvel and DC have pulled this particular game a LOT. Squadron Sinister/Supreme, Global Guardians, Lord Havoc and the Exetremist. Hell, comic book Harley Quinn recently did a blatant riff on Dead Pool ("Red Tool") and a few years before that Joe Kelly wrote Batman/Superman and had Wade Wilson himself appear as -naturally- an alternate reality Slade Wilson. It is another time honored tradition, and it's also not the first time the writers took a more cynical look at their stand ins. The Mark Gruenwald Squadron Supreme was basically Justice Lords, Injustice, Stormwatch/Authority, and the Elite before any of them (and for years I thought that was what Watchmen was until I actually read it). Hell, that's not even the last time DC ripped off Authority! A few years later they did the exact same thing with the Ultimates, which was basically "The Authority but this time they're the Avengers" (same artist too)

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At one point Superman explains:
-You cant just go around bombing anyone you don't like.( incredibly obvious setup)
To which Manchester Black retorts:
-Why not,your government does that.
Really?You realize Superman doesn't create American foreign policy?How is he responsible there?  :huh:

Well, I think it was less calling Superman out on personal hypocrisy (though Supes, unlike the Elite, does indeed "Respect the Authority") and more just justifying it for themselves because Supes calls them out on it.

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And so they are defeated once Superman fakes going crazier,beats them up and proves they are wrong.You would think that him using their own medicine against the Elite would kinda proved their point*,but no,apparently this proves Superman is right.

Your assessment reminds me of a certain infamous episode of Clone Wars that raised a rock solid point (that the show repeatedly reinforced in later storylines, whether intentionally or not) that basically ended with "the good guys win because they have to because they're the good guys" not because it was the natural progression point but because the status quo had to be maintained, and as Channel Awesome reviewers say "Makes it easy!" Some at on Tvtropes summed it up as:

Clone Trooper: Don't Clone Troopers have rights too? Isn't morally wrong to treat us as disposable people?
Jedi: No. [The End]

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*Im not all that sure what their point (other then being straw-clones of Authority) or plan.No way they could have taken over the world,right?This is the DCU after all.

So, once again, this is why I'm curious about the comic version. If it's the comic, that it goes without saying it's the DCU and they'd have to play off that in some meaningful way in order for the story to work (or it's just another one of the depressingly large number of stories from the late 20 or so years that have massive plot holes because the writers just couldn't find a way to make it work. Say, Grant how often is the Fantastic Four out of town?). In that, that hilarious cameo in the Batman and Harley Quinn movie that I mentioned above? Part of that gag is making fun of that trope.

Now here's the rub. Superman vs. the Elite, the movie, is, as near as we can tell, a self contained story. Lois and Clarke's relationship is based on that of the comic source without regard for one or more versions of the animated Supes, and as far as we know, Supes is the only Superhero in that whole iteration with the exception of whoever appears or is overtly mentioned. Think about it. In the Christopher Reeve Superman movies, Superman's the only hero. That's how a movie version like this operates. One of the changes for Batman: Under The Red Hood from the comic version was it simplified things and one of the ways it did that was by downplaying the references to the wider DC Universe. The cadre of villains is replaced by a generic cyborg assassin group and during the big fight with Amazo in the beginning, Nightwing pointing that Amazo is using Superman's heat vision was changed to Nightwing saying he's using lasers. That particular actually annoyed some fans of the comic version. It's very much a mentality of "if we don't need the extended continuity to be in there, we'll leave it out so the audience will be less confused." And also, you know, 90 minute movie.

Watching it the first time with my friend, our main criticism was Manchester Black, who for the record I generally think is a pretty rad character, "didn't do enough bad stuff" to warrant a takedown. #ManchesterBlackDidNothingWrong. Like you and Benton, my buddy had a different on human morality as applied to fictional superhero stories compared to my own, and sure enough, when I rewatched the thing by myself, I went "Oh yeah, he totally killed some folks." And it's like, ok, he murdered the ruler of a foreign nation, but apparently had no regard for how that would actually make the country's situation actually improve. That level of short-sightedness. And then there's Atomic Skull. Yes, Skull was a dangerous, ruthless monster, because the story needed him to be. Someone's family member died, which sucked, and is a crappy that does happen, and then it's just "do it'. and he's dead and that's it. And it's like "Dude, that's what happen. Event Superman actually doesn't save everyone". Superman is sometimes written to be incredibly naive to the point of stupidity, but he knows that people are going to die and he's going to do the best he can to prevent that.

It's reminds me of two different things.

1. JMS's story where Supes gets guilt tripped by someone and goes on a trip across America. Yep, that one. The one Linkara reviewed. In that story Superman is written as incredibly stupid, short-sighted and naive not becasue it's believable and in character, but because he needs to be for that story to play out the way it did. One woman being selfish (in grief) and blaming Superman when Superman probably saved, you know, however many, during that story, and he's so guilt stricken he does this whole thing, and he has deal with a neighborhood with gangs in it and he has an incredibly stupid "solution" to the problem. He's tasked with the problem of talking down a grief-stricken jumper (a concept that, as pretty much everyone pointed out, Morrison, along with Frank Quitely on art,  handled WAY better with way fewer dialogue in All-Star Superman) and his best solution is incredibly poor weak ponderous philosophy. It made him seem incredibly out of touch. When some cop asked if Supes would let a jumper jump, he dodges the question and leaves, instead of, oh I don't know, convincing someone in a moment of grief and loss to not throw their life away (and again, as someone who HAS experience such things, I do find that offensive). The sad thing is, JMS DID have interesting ideas, referencing famous people who spent their life promoting peace who died doing that (such as John Lennon) but it wasn't integrated well into the story or into whatever point Supes (and JMS) was trying to make. When a woman who lost her job and mother tells him life is unfair, Supes simply says that life is neither fair nor unfair. Yaknow, ignoring that that's the wrong answer to give to a jumper, and that, yeah, life CAN be unfair, SOME of the time, if you can't count on Superman to be encouraging in a moment when it's important, who exactly can you count on for that?

2. The Walking Dead. It's got some "interesting" takes on human morality, but one I'll always remember (and a series low point for me personally in the tv show) also involved a character being told to "do it" during a moment where the story just went "oh ok, so he did a bad thing and one person died so now it's ok to kill him". I didn't like it in that either. Oddly enough that was adapted from the comic, but the show IMO handled it a LOT worse for a few different reasons.

Benton:

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In terms of the statement of the movie, there is indeed a good deal more than 'the Authority sucks.'

While that may be true, that familiarity with what's being directly referenced, critiqued, and rejected is a big part of it. As French film critic Jean-Luc Godard said "In order to criticize a movie, you have to make another movie". And Superman vs. the Elite, along with its comic counterpart, is exactly that second movie. When you're familiar with that "first movie", that's a pretty big factor. I've referenced this repeatedly in my posts in the Marvel Thread. Whether it's Peter David directly referencing fan disprovable of the new superhero costume and working it into the story, an X-Men comic having an extended sequence where the characters defended the entire superhero comic industry while giving their critics the proverbial middle finger, any of those godawful take that moments at various ideological opponents me and HT went over, every single solidarity "take that" moment at the fans in Amazing Spider-Man since the first page of Brand New Day, and Mark Waid's recent issue of Avengers, a brilliant tie-in to Secret Empire where he rejected the whole damn story and every thing he hates about anti-heroes (and I really hope people realized that's what he was doing), which I'll get to in a second cuz I've need an excuse to talk about that one. There's always that added layer that is 100% intentional and 100% the point. Well, in the case of Elite, 50% the point since the other half is reminding people why Superman is a great, enduring character.

HT again:

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For example,in Kingdom Come,resident anti-heroes point out villains are a lot worse today then in Supermans time,and thats kind of a valid point.Elite is never that logical.Almost all of their questions could be answered with: Its not Supermans job.

That's the key element, that's sure KC did better and Elite did, IMO, not as well as it could have. You need to illustrate that "the bad guys are so bad we need to kill him". Screw you, it didn't happen. Heck, reminds me of a certain infamous scene from Man of Steel. One that also and (as many people have pointed out, failed) to sell. Those that defend it buy into that idea that it was necessary. I don't, Mark Waid (writer of Kingdom Come and that aforementioned Avengers issue) yelled at the movie screen in the threatre, and I seem to recall a lot of people on this forum didn't dig it. And again, screw you movie, it didn't happen. Super-speed, flight, Superman's not a moron. It's not that hard. When the writers are as smart as the fans, we give the credit they're due.

But again, let's play that game. The villain WILL kill those civilians. Ok then, the bad guy who does bad things does one more bad thing, and the good guy does the good guy thing and throws him in jail (or the phantom zone). That's how it works.
BT dubs, just I know some people aren't aware of this, Superman and Lois DO NOT KILL Ursa, Non and Zod in Superman II. There's a deleted scene where the three villains, depowered, are carted off to jail (with Luthor, of course) by the "artic police" (cuz Fortress of Solitude) I know the final of the film doesn't make this remotely clear, but the filmakers did not intend Superman II to be another one of those super hero movies where Batman kills the villain because movie. Keep that in your pocket the next time someone brings that up in order to knock down a beloved classic in their quest to prop up a movie that deliberately rejected what Superman's supposed to represent.


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Why not make a Kingdom Come movie?Just dont give it a Killing Joke treatment.
It's a shame, though it's it? Killing Joke was like the Silent Hill HD Collection of DC Animated movies. It had one job. The easiest job in the world. Faithfully recreate the definitive Batman vs. the Joker story that is referenced more than other. And they ALMOST did it. If that prologue (and that one extra scene, you know the one) wasn't there (or in the case of the former, was a better version of itself) I don't think people wouldn't consider it the trainwreck it is remembered as. The movie would be the comic and its merits would be that, for good or ill. Noone would seriously argue that the animation was so poor that it ruined the whole movie for them. Noone (other than Honest Trailers) would suggest Hamill phoned it for the passion project he committed to getting made. And the musical number and the fight scene with the circus freaks would a minor alteration that actually worked fine for the movie adaptation of that fairly short story.

The sad thing is 1. I called the whole damn movie in advance. They made it longer because the story was too short and didn't have enough action 2. They added in more Batgirl because Babs was the thing people took issue with to begin with.
But they managed to make it worse. And again, this would have been the EASIEST thing in the world to fix. Make the prologue about Batgirl teaming up with Batman to fight the Joker Just a random Joker caper. Make it the Laughing Fish or the boner one or something, just with Batgirl. Joker pulls a "I'll fix you yet Batman, I'll ruin everyone you'll love", Batman brushes it off like "cool story bro". Jim Gordon's there as they cart Joker away and he's just like "One of these days, man, one of these days." and there you go. An actual story that connects in a meaningful way.

Now, I'd love to think Bruce Timm and Co learned their lesson, but considering Batman and Harley Quinn, maybe not.

Benton:

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Comparing it to Kingdom Come is something of a non-sequitur, because they say rather different things.  Kingdom Come wrestles with concepts of heroism, but it provides no real answers, other than affirming the value of selfless sacrifice in CM's final gesture.  As for an adaptation of that film, I'd love it...but you could never get an art style that would do it justice, and, as you say, it could easily be handled terribly.

Considering DKR came up with a pretty effect compromise/middle ground (or in my opinion, and the opinion of at least some others, an active improvement) They could do something, and if nothing else, the story would presumably shine through. Funny thing though, and I know you're going to hate me for this Benton, but I've actually never read KC and a big reason why I actually don't Alex Ross. As a cover artist, or a costume designer, he's fine, but as an interior artist. Everything with him is so posed and heavily referenced and in that painted, photo realistic thank-goodness-we-have-decent-costumes-or-this-would-look-really-stupid art style, and it's not my bag baby. I'm not even going to front. If DC put a remake today with the exact same script and story but the art done by someone I really enjoy, like, oh say, Mike Del Mundo, I'd seriously pick that bad boy up no question. Because I loves me some Mark Waid, and that's basically THE Mark Waid story. Speaking of....

The thing about Mark Waid is he HATES anti-heroes. Hates hates hates. He hates a Superman who kills, he actually hates Deadpool, and he'd says he had no interest in writing him these days (ironic, considering he wrote one of the formative Deadpool minis that introduced the memorable Wade/Siryn ship, which I dubbed "WaidShipping"). But the key is that it's a kind of morality he's against.

So guess what he did when he was tasked with a Secret Empire tie-in in his Avengers book, starring the Evil Avengers (yes, another one). he spent the ENTIRE issue telling you how much they suck! No seriously, the whole damn issue. Doc Ock's an insufferable jacka$$ (no change there), Deadpool's incredibly annoying, not a big stretch there, though Waid does have him take a dig at Batman V. Superman, because of course. Taskmaster and Blank Ant are a bunch of opportunistic thugs, evil Scarlet Witch is a r@pist, and they're not fooling around on that one, they outright say it. Comic Marvel NEVER does that these days. And in the end Tasky and Black Ant find the alien horde they're sent to kill and it turns out the aliens are peaceful and they want to help humanity and Earth become a paradise and they're just like "Kay, but we're bad guys so we're going to kill you anyway" and they do it and they all just walk away like "Good job team, aren't we just a bunch of bada$$es". The final panel might as well have been Waid dropping the mic and being like "Yeah, that @#$% just happened." It was bloody brilliant! I'm not fronting, it was one of the most brilliant comics I've ever read. I seriously think Waid should get an Eisner for it (considering some of the utter garbage that got nominated for an Eisner). It really was that damn good.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 20, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
Doesnt Lois name-drop Martian Manhunter at one point?Or I got DC movies mixed up?
Okay,hated might have been a strong word.Lets go with disliked.Its still a lot better then most N52 animated movies.
No point in repeating everything about KJ.Oddly enough,I prefered the movie version of DKR.Same goes for Year One.Apparently,Miller was writing for a movie even back then. :)
Oh,and Batman didnt kill anyone in DKR,despite what Snyder claims.
So The Authority.Funny thing,that I mentioned here before,is a major  Seinfield is Unfunny effect there.After years of everyone aping it,Authority itself looks like a slow era of Avengers.
Loebs Maximums were his comment on Ultimates (that will become ironic later),but they owned their existance to Authority,so its all a circle.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 20, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
Again,nothing wrong with taking a shot at another comic,but there were probably better ways then just introducing a bunch of stand-in strawmen and having Superman beat them up.His going crazy moment is kinda funny when you realize hes voiced by Sephiroth.Also,MB forgot he can press Supermans arteries and Coldcast forgot he has that EMP for organics in the final battle.

Or to boil it down,its not a bad moral,but it could have been handled better.

Back to then and now,this movie came out in 2012.DC in 2012.Stormwatch was going strong and Midnighter was kicking blood-vomiting goats around.
I used KC as an example of a similar(if not the same) type of story that did it better.I don't believe there is a finite number of movies that could be made,but resources could have been better spent here.Thou seeing everything that came after it,they probably wouldn't be.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Deaths Jester on September 21, 2017, 12:10:46 AM
The hilarious thing I see in all of this is that by 2012 DC owned Image which means they also owned Authority and Stormwatch...so pissing on the Authority would've been them pissing on their own brand...so it's not about bad mouthing the Authority. If they wanted to do that then they could've just used the Authority.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: kkhohoho on September 21, 2017, 12:17:53 AM
The hilarious thing I see in all of this is that by 2012 DC owned Image which means they also owned Authority and Stormwatch...so pissing on the Authority would've been them pissing on their own brand...so it's not about bad mouthing the Authority. If they wanted to do that then they could've just used the Authority.

Um, I hate to tell you this, but DC doesn't own Image. Image is still around, though they're more of an indie company these days. That said, DC does own Wildstorm, which has the actual rights to the Authority and Stormwatch and the like. Just a FYI.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on September 21, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
I assume that was a mistake,and he meant Wildstorm.
Its all movie pitches at Image these days,btw.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 21, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2017/11/harley-quinn-animated-series-ordered/ (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2017/11/harley-quinn-animated-series-ordered/)
Thats a lot of Harley...
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 22, 2017, 04:29:58 AM
Technically it's a show, and not a movie, but yeah.

I don't mind Harley, and I can enjoy her in things, but I don't seek her out. If Canada gets the streaming service, I'll probably watch it since I'll get it for Young Justice and Titans. Getting Margot Robbie to do the voice would be pretty sweet if it happens though.

In other news, the trailer for Gotham by Gaslight came out. It didn't really do it for me. I never liked Bruce Greenwood as Batman (easily one of my least favorite Batman VAs ever), with the exception of Under the Red Hood, of course, and this trailer hass done nothing to change that opinion. Anthony Stewart Head (who played Giles on Buffy) is voicing Alfred in this, which is a nifty casting, but I couldn't tell it was him in the trailer, he sounds too different and doesn't have enough airtime in the trailer to tell. Otherwise it looks pretty meh. I'm not really a fan of Steampunk or Victorian England, and this the animation for this looks pretty underwhelming. I'll watch it if airs on tv or comes to Netflix one day.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 14, 2018, 10:12:42 AM
I caught Batman and Harley Quinn on tv the other night. Well that was a thing.

It was an odd movie for sure. Half the time it's played serious, half the time straight up comedy, Batman and Nightwing don't have much to do in general except be comedic foils to Harley's antics, and the story looks and feels a lot like a half hour episode of Batman TAS stretched out into 74 minutes by padding the hell out of certain scenes such as the chase scene, the music and dance number, a death of a minor supporting character, and a post-credits scene. Having finally seen the infamous ending, I can say it is indeed random, bizarre and anti-climatic. On a positive, I agree with the earlier post that praised the action scenes, they were indeed quite good.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 22, 2018, 11:47:48 AM
Suicide Squad Hell to Pay.Somewhat based on a Secret Six story.Its not that great even by the standard of trashy action movies.
It has a few good character moments,and nice action scenes,but old problems are still around,and CW publicity and trying too hard to be mature doesnt really help.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 23, 2018, 08:47:08 AM
I give them a fair amount of credit for actually giving some insight into the character of Bronze Tiger, probably the best adaptation of the character outside the comics, where he's usually just "Martial Arts Thug".
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 23, 2018, 12:18:02 PM
I agree there.
Also,I found Copperhead to be pretty interesting.Mostly because we dont see him that often.
On the other hand,Im really tired of Killer Frost,Harley and Deadshot.And Deathstroke,but thats a different movie.With a weird apperence of Kevin Smith. 🤔
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 26, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
Justice League Dark is a valiant effort at adapting the magic side of DC,but once again N52 looks and a not-so-good voice cast don't do it any favors.At least,it was an honest attempt,which is more then I can say for a lot of their other films since JL War onward.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 01, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Batman and Harley Quinn Remember Batman The Animated Series?Well,lets revisit that.And add some adult humor because we really want to be Deadpool.And lets get Kevin Conroy to phone in this one.
I could rant a lot about this one,but in the end,as a lot of people pointed out- an episode of New Adventures of Batman did it better in 20 minutes,20 years ago.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on June 01, 2018, 08:38:39 PM
Everything I heard about that movie made me deeply, deeply sad.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Shogunn2517 on June 21, 2018, 06:18:35 AM
So apparently Death of Superman has leaked online...

Anyone take a gander?
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 21, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Umm....no, I don't do that. I'm not a fan of piracy in general. I'll give it a digital rental when it comes out. I imagine if there's anything particularly interesting in it the comic news sites will spoil it like they did The Killing Joke so I'll likely hear of it there first.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 08, 2018, 01:10:09 AM
Just finished watching this. I thought it was pretty decent. Not amazing, but not bad. I liked the connections to the previous animated movies in the same set. Rainn Wilson as Luthor was alright, not great, a little too light-sounding than I prefer my Luthors, but he did sound kinda similar to James Woods from Justice League Action who I got used to with time. It is a more faithful adaptation than Superman Doomsday, with the League being used in a very similar way to the JLA roster from the 90's storyline.

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Cress Williams (Black Lightning) voices John Henry Irons (he previously cameod in Throne of Atlantis voiced by Khary Payton), Patrick Fabian from Better Call Saul voices Hank Henshaw, and while we don't hear him in this film, Cameron Monaghan (Jerome/Joker from Gotham) is going to voice Superboy.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 31, 2018, 04:55:15 AM
An update on the upcoming followup Reign of the Supermen film. We've gotten a few trailers so far, animation looks a little iffy but it's still neat to see these characters in a movie. I'm disappointed that so far (to my knowledge) we still haven't heard Cameron Monaghan as Superboy since I've loved his Joker on Gotham and I really want to see how he does Superboy (for the record, what we do know is Superboy is going to reimagined as a "modern" young celebrity, social media exposure and all. Which is fair, because when Connor was introduced in the 90's comics he was a Booster Gold style glory hound through and through. Or, to go closer to home, he's basically the Ultimen from JLU. There is a gag in the movie I read about that was shown at comic con involving Superboy that was so funny and perfect I literally burst into laughter:

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Anyways, I just finished watching Teen Titans Go the Movies. Honestly? I kinda loved it. Some jokes were low brow duds (times like this I question if fart jokes have ever been unironically funny in any context) but the various cameos, callbacks and references were fun (for example, Miss Martian and Artemis can bee seen in the superhero group shots) and some of the jokes, predictably and not particularly fresh as they were, got a legit laugh from me, such as:

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Will Arnett was great as Slade of course. While I thought the casting an odd choice when I first learned of it honestly, I don't think Ron Pearlman from the original series would have done as good a job doing this material. Kristin Bell was also quite good as the movie director. Nicholas Cage as Superman (!!!) was fine performance-wise (he has 2 or 3 lines, tops) but his voice, unsurprisingly doesn't really match the character. Ditto Wonder Woman.

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Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 29, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
I just watched Reign of the Supermen!

Disappointing, but not soul-crushingly so. It's a textbook example of what's wrong with some of these post-Flashpoint/New 52 DC Animated movies: they should be better, but for some reason aren't. I don't know what it is, but I think they need better writers. They feel flat. Characters, character arcs, plot points, plot twists, big moments, should have more weight but feel flat. The joke about GL sniping Superboy wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. I guess it's just the old effect where some jokes are funniest the first time you hear it. I think Conroy would have sold the joke better myself.

Nathan Fillion's GL got a great one-liner at the end of the movie though. The post credit scene made me VERY happy.

The rest of the movie? Eh, I dunno. It's definitely an accurate adaptation of the 90's storyline. Between this and the previous film, if there's a big moment or character from the Death and Return of the Superman storyline you wanted to make it into the movie, chances are they're in it. It's a MUCH more accurate adaptation than Superman Doomsday (haven't decided yet which is a better movie. I'm tempted to say Doomsday, if for no other reason than Adam Baldwin as evil Superd*ckery Superman, James Marsters as creepy jilted ex-lover Lex Luthor, and John Dimaggio as creepy child kidnapper Toyman)

Anyway, Reign has some changes and plot twists that allow people familiar with the comic storyline and other adaptations to be surprised, and feels like it's got some legit payoff for this long string of movies MCU style, but the big moments and reveals should be a huge effing deal and instead land with a resounding "oh, ok." On the other hand, it has Wonder Woman making what sounds like some playful references to her being bisexual and Superman referencing a memorable George Costansta bit from Seinfeld, so that's something.

Voice wise, it's a very passable film. Nobody's bad, but nobody really stands out. It's still kinda neat that Howard Hamlin from Better Call Saul is Hank Henshaw but I'm unclear as whether Cyborg Superman was voiced by him or Superman actor Jerry O'Connell. The credits don't make it clear, online sources are conflicting, and the character has a noticeable digital effect over his voice. Gotham's Cameron Monaghan is pretty much unrecognizable as Superboy, and he does a pretty good job. He reminded me a bit of Young Justice's Kid Flash. Black Lightning actor Cress Williams is Steel and he's decent, but not as good as when he plays Jefferson Pierce/Black Lightning on live action tv. And Chloe Sullivan from Smallville makes a cameo at the beginning of the movie at the Daily Planet, looking and sounding exactly like Irma from the 2012 TMNT (she isn't credited, and only has one line, but sounded like Kate Miccuci, who voiced Irma and several versions of Velma from Scooby Doo). I wonder if they changed her to not resembled Allison Mack? And I appreciate that a certain pre-established character who shows up later in the show got a much needed recasting.

The Justice League has a little more involvement in this than I was expecting, which makes it seem a bit like Captain America: Civil War. Also I keep forgetting this, but it's really weird that this iteration of the DC Universe has introduced the Connor Kent Superboy before Supergirl (though we don't know that for sure, since some heroes in this universe show up already having become superheroes, like the Teen Titans or Nightwing) I would guess it won't be long before a Rebirth/Arrowverse inspired Supergirl appears in a future film.

Now as for that post credit scene:

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Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 18, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Next Batman movie is s crossover with TMNT.Really. 😀
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on February 19, 2019, 02:47:14 AM
Yeah, that was surprising to hear. They've said it will be based on the first crossover miniseries, which could be cool. Nick is also doing another TMNT animated movie on Netflix. I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen more animated TMNT films, seems like it would have been a no brainer.

I'll say this, we haven't seen a Batman/TMNT crossover movie before. We've seen many different iterations of the two separate groups though.

Not sure I dig the character designs. The Batman characters look ok I guess, but the TMNT look a bit ugly. They kinda look like someone trying to do Santaloucco's art from the IDW comics but not able to pull it off. \

Also, this movie makes the landmark moment where Troy Baker voices both Batman and the Joker in the same thing. I was thinking a while back that it was only a matter of time before that happened.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on May 08, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
Okay, I just saw that DC is doing a "Showcase" collection with a bunch of short films:
http://majorspoilers.com/2019/05/08/warner-bros-announces-new-dc-showcase-animated-shorts/

These include Sgt. Rock and the Creature Commandos, Adam Strange, Death of the Endless, and the Phantom Stranger.  Now, that is a really cool list of characters, and it is great seeing DC explore some of these less-traveled corners of their universe.  Most of the blurbs sound pretty interesting, though I am already feeling my eyes roll about the Adam Strange one.  Heaven forbid we get a straight adaptation of a heroic character.  No, he's got to be a burnt-out drunk who USED to be someone.  Heroes!  That's particularly silly, because it isn't like Adam Strange has had a lot of shots at the limelight.

In general though, I think this is pretty cool.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 08, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Eh,people like old (super)heroes I guess.
And I guess they are going for sort of a space western.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on May 08, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
You know, they did the same thing with Aquaman in that deplorable JL: Throne of Atlantis adaptation.  It's like the hacks who are writing these things can't conceive of a character arc that doesn't start at 'drunken loser' or 'wash out.'  You know, there are other types of arcs!
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 08, 2019, 05:34:28 PM
Yeah,that was a thing.
I think they are all taking inspiration from the same thing.Who the hell even did it first?

But Sgt Rock voiced by Karl Urban,that I can live with with.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on May 08, 2019, 06:03:21 PM
Indeed.  He's a great choice, and I am certainly curious about them combining Sgt. Rock and the Creature Commandos.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 08, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
Im not all that familiar with CC so I cant really say.But DC branching outside of superhero genre,that I welcome in general.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 05, 2019, 12:15:55 AM
Just watched Batman Vs the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  Really enjoyed it. Lord knows it's better than the current, more kid-oriented Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which is, IMO, the worst (non-live action, at least) incarnation of the franchise by a wide margin.

Animation wasn't the greatest, but the fights were pretty ballin'. Baxter Stockman was, once again, a complete joke (even more than usual). Voice cast was decent, though I wasn't entirely happy with the voice for Robin (Damien Wayne) but everything else about him was on point. They only briefly acknowledge his status as Bruce's son though.

Fair warning to parents: this one's not for kids. On par with many other DC animated movies, it's got blood, stabbings, broken bones, severed limbs and tastefully done decapitations. Not frequent, but still present. Mild swearing as well.

Also, the end credits? Brilliant! There's also a really nifty post-credit scene.

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Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: BentonGrey on June 05, 2019, 02:43:48 AM
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Panther_Gunn on June 05, 2019, 03:22:47 AM
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.

Kids don't have money.  30+ year old comic book nerds have money.  I'm sure that's as far as their logic went on that one.
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 05, 2019, 12:02:05 PM
So I'm going to play half-and-half devil's advocate.

So on the one hand - this is an adaptation of the comic book. Now I don't recall the comic having this level of violence in it, but the TMNT comics that are not spun off from the animated shows have been more adult oriented and more violent. And also the comic was written by James Tynion, who heavily worked with Scott Snyder on Batman, Batman Eternal, and Batman & Robin Eternal. I kinda consider anything Batman he writes to be an extension of Scott Snyder's Batman, and that run featured, among other things, the infamous stapled-on Joker face.

In addition to that - if I'm being fair 1. The 2003 TMNT wasn't that different in that regard except for the blood (and there's not a lot of blood, but there is blood) and swearing. Then again, the one decapitation in that show was revealed to be that of a robot body by the end of the same episode. 2. The 2012 features a decapitation of a real flesh and blood person (though the visualization of that was somewhat censored for the final episode as aired, as an artist who worked on the show revealed on social media). And, minus the blood, it's not that worse than Star Wars The Clone Wars. Then again, I used to joke that Clone Wars was the most ruthless cartoon on tv at the time. Also, the first live action TMNT had the Turtles say "Damn".

For the record, I also read that Nick had at least one notable mandate - that none of the voice actors from the current cartoons play the same character in this movie. Which I actually kinda understand, it helps make it clear this is a different iteration of TMNT.

On the other hand - this is an animated TMNT and in the world of animated TMNT, that's something for the kids, and it's going to reach a wider audience. And you could have told the exact same story without any of the violence I mentioned, or the two or three instances of mild swearing, and it would have been pretty much the same, and just as good. I mean, I enjoyed seeing those elements, but I'm a morbid mofo and that's not an indication of actual quality. As I like to say, dark is not good - good is good.

The movie also features Bane mentioning having broken the Bat - something I don't think he's ever done in an iteration of Batman aimed specifically at kids - and the death of Jason Todd gets mentioned - which also does not exist outside of non-kid friendly shows.

I mean, let's not mince words - DC loves them the grimdark and "adult" content. These are the guys who brought back Young Justice and added R-rated violence, political intrigue and extra sexual innuendo (and the Suicide Squad are showing up in the second half - then again, they showed up in JLU too...). And who are now doing R-rated live action superhero shows (with both f-bombs and nudity) on their streaming service. Mind you I'm straying off topic here...

Coming back full circle - there was also a pretty good (IMO) comic book crossover between Batman TAS and the 2012 TMNT cartoon. That would have had an awesome animated movie in its own right. I mean, heck, it would have been even better as a animated movie because then it presumably would have had Conroy and Hamill coming back to do Batman and Joker, and the cast of the 2012 TMNT to do their roles again. And the animation would have been really easily to nail since it was already made to look like the cartoons. And it being TAS, the older fans of Batman TAS probably would have eaten it up (just maybe not let Bruce Timm have any influence on the story - you never know, he might sex it up :P)
Title: Re: DC animated original movies
Post by: SickAlice on June 11, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.

Kids don't have money.  30+ year old comic book nerds have money.  I'm sure that's as far as their logic went on that one.

I hope not else they need fire those people. I used to work selling toys and the number one buyer for children is moms but the takeaway is the content is based on what kids jump up and down for. I mean the money comes from moms. Comic book nerds, yes us, do not factor in when it comes to film productions from companies like WB or Disney. I know that's a hard pill but it's just math. People who actually both read and buy printed comics are a minority of the world population, stunningly thus can't justify the money put into any feature film, that money being a film must make 200%+ it's initial investment before it's considered to make a profit. Like a house. You have to first make the money you're in the negative that you spent on it. Then try and sell it for the same value and past that is a profit turned. Just saying though demographics here more moms are less against violence then one would think, look at Into The Spider-verse for example. The current generation is made up primarily by moms who grew up with violent movies and as youth protested the parents groups that would censor works for children.

That said I haven't watched it, it's sitting on the shelf but I haven't made time to give it my complete attention so we'll see. But my love of both of these franchises did come from origins that were also violent, the grim and grit era it was called, or at least violent for the day so perhaps. Added I haven't seen much of the current Batman animated stuff but know the source material and bet kids are seeing more mature stuff then I did as a child there but have seen Turtles, noting Fox Kids to Nick and those shows were more violent and mature then the stuff I grew up with by miles. A much harder to swallow pill here and believe me, my little niece is sixteen now...oy, right in the migraine, kids today are grown in a different climate. Video games without labels on them but more the internet. The internet where in most cases they have to present themselves as eighteen years old and/or are presumed as such and chat with raging blunt adults and see content we would have grounded for months had our parents ever caught us looking at. They're just much more inundated to it all they were in spite of the ill of that statement and much, much more difficult to impress and shock.

@Silver Shocker: Exactly. Oh hey when I saw the original live TMNT film in the theater, opening day with all my friends and we danced in a line to the Putzers advert them of course, I remember the " damn " and seeing a mom take her son out of the theater with her hands over his ears. That poor boy, he probably needed therapy for life over missing the Ninja Turtles film lol.