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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3600 on: November 01, 2018, 04:28:35 PM »
And Avengers had the issue where Kang nukes Washington and Earth surenders.You think that would be noticed in other titles,but no.

About Clone Saga,funny that its remembered as lasting the whole decade,when it actually took two years.But when you have 4-5 Spiderman titles a month,it adds up.

I've had years like that...

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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3601 on: November 01, 2018, 10:48:27 PM »
Actually,Kang dynasty was so good that nobody dared to use Kang after that.Well,not everyone,but this is THE Kang story and you just have nowhere to go with the character after that.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3602 on: November 02, 2018, 03:46:04 PM »
Yeah, I was going to say, I loved Kang Dynasty, to the point I didn't want anyone to use him again just because you couldn't top it. And while he has appeared in a few things since then (Young Avengers, Abnett and Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy), they always seem to be decidedly lower-key stories in terms of how he's used.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3603 on: November 15, 2018, 07:48:06 PM »
Asm #9 Spencer has some weird boner for support groups.I didnt know
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is still alive.Seriously,why did I think that?
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3604 on: November 17, 2018, 12:53:21 AM »
A support group for the loved ones of superheroes...actually not a bad idea. I'm surprised I'd never seen it before in a superhero story before. Has it been done before?

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This issue was thankfully less goofy than the last, but I'm not that interested in the Thieve's Guild stuff. I'm kinda hoping for this story to get over with so we can get back to our mystery villain and Pete's roommates.

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« Reply #3605 on: November 17, 2018, 05:20:28 AM »
It reminds me of Loners a bit.
Its not No Surender,so I must have misremembered something earlier.Probably because Iron Man did have a computer JARVIS,to tie into the movie.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3606 on: November 18, 2018, 01:14:28 AM »
So...Marvel and DC have just giving up on anything approaching an actual story concept for their big events?  First it was 'let's give everyone hammers!'  Then DC said, 'let's give everyone armor!'  And now Marvel responds with, 'What if everyone become a fantasy character?'  Sheesh.

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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3607 on: November 18, 2018, 01:23:24 AM »
I blame it on the fact that both sides seem to be swapping the same crappy, high-priced, "I got a name but can't write new ideas" writers. If they were to go out and find new writers and give them chances instead of chasing wastes like Bendis - and give up on the stupid massive company-wide events - they might have a chance.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3608 on: November 18, 2018, 02:31:22 AM »
All true, DJ, all true.
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« Reply #3609 on: November 18, 2018, 06:02:57 AM »
They dont really have any big names left.Its what happens when you CAST writers and hire webcomic artists to save money.Also,be sure to cater to people who dont read comics.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3610 on: November 18, 2018, 04:03:47 PM »
To me, the wake-up call should have happened years ago. Namely when DC hired Alan Heinberg, a tv show writer known for `The OC', to write Wonder Woman. He couldn't even wrap up his first storyline before the first Annual came out. Why was this a problem? Because the storyline and Annual featured the same villain, Circe, and the Annual was not a storyline continuation. The end of the storyline was delayed a few issues, so we were subjected to an all-new conflict with a villain whose previous arc hadn't been finished yet.

And I want to completely ignore the majority of JMS' Spider-Man run. "Sins Past" should be tossed into an alternate universe or retroactively made into a "What If?", for example. Requires too much retconning, and was complete garbage that ruined Gwen Stacy's legacy.

Tv and movie writers have no business writing comics until they can prove they actually know the material and can deliver in a timely manner.


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« Reply #3611 on: November 19, 2018, 06:20:23 PM »
Riot Games and Marvel are teaming up.Thats actually a perfect match.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3612 on: November 20, 2018, 12:00:57 AM »
Sins past was also editorial mandate... But I do maintain there's an easy fix that keeps what little creative benefit that story added (having grey goblin as a foil for Harry as the other Osborn son) without the ick... Norman used cloning tech and Gwen's DNA (both of which he canonically has access to) in a bid to mess with Peter. Mary Jane's confirmation can be hand waved as a memory implanted during a kidnapping or something.  If it MUST be Canon, FIX IT.

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« Reply #3613 on: November 28, 2018, 08:17:29 PM »
#ASM #10 Ok,are we meant to take this comic seriously or is this some sort of selfparody?I honestly cant say.We have Mary Jane in the support group,Black Cat and Spiderman trying to sort their relationship...and Avengers trying to find their junk.Good thing Miss Marvel had a tracking app on her phone.Tony Stark,Doctor Strange and Jean Grey are uselles,but good thing Miss Marvel had a funting app installed.I cant deal with Spencers sitcom bs anymore...
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3614 on: November 29, 2018, 05:32:08 AM »
Yeah, that was a little dopey. I could have done without that level of "because the plot says so". When I got to that scene in the book, before I actually read the pages, I assumed Ms Marvel, Miles and Ironheart were prominently displayed because Ramos used to work on Champions, but no, Spencer specifically pulled a Dr. Strange by way of Bendis and had a character who had zero bearing on the story before this resolve the problem for a cheap gag at the expense of Reed and Tony. Quite lame and not actually funny.

I also had other issues with this issue. Spidey's back to acting like a neurotic man-child around Black Cat, and MJ's going on about how much stress Pete's life puts on HER, which, yeah, that's the point of the support group, but those two things put together remind me (and I have to imagine, others) of two of the big negatives people had with Slott's run.

On the plus side, the way the story got back to the big ongoing mystery of this run, that I liked. That I want to see more of going forward. Beyond that, this two-parter was a noticeable step down and I'm glad it's over and we can move onto something else.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3615 on: November 29, 2018, 02:34:48 PM »
We spent the first few issues talking about getting back to basics and not doing random wacky cr@p Slott is so fond of...only to keep doing random wacky cr@p Slott is so fond of.
Again,another Hush-like villain?Its a bit hard to care.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3616 on: December 11, 2018, 11:06:51 PM »
"Marvels history is destroyed"
Interesting tagline if you didnt already do that.Several times.
Next Avengers crossover will involve them meeting Conan.Thats why they needed the licence back.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3617 on: December 12, 2018, 02:35:53 AM »
Avengers crossing over with Conan. Oh joy. Is Kulan Gath going to be the villain?  :huh:

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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3618 on: December 12, 2018, 05:53:59 AM »
Like I feared, they are retconning the Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages out of existence. That way if someone says "Comics used to be better in the [whichever] Age", they answer "Those never happened. Neither did Stan Lee or Jack Kirby. It's always been thus."

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« Reply #3619 on: December 12, 2018, 11:01:59 PM »
Last I remember Kulan Gath showed up in Red Sonja,so I dont think thats going to happen.
Yes,I admit I read Red Sonja 13 years ago.
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And more of Kingpin playing 4D chess.Im sure that will pay off.Eventually.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3620 on: December 13, 2018, 12:40:24 AM »
Both Kull and Red Sonja have appeared in "modern" Marvel comics; both in Team-Up, I believe (Byrne art on Sonja). Then Rune was also present in a Conan comic or two. So I always assumed that, provisionally, The Hyborian Age was part of The Marvel Universe's history.

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« Reply #3621 on: December 13, 2018, 07:47:59 AM »
Thats not the problem.Problem is that they are currently owned by Dynamite.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3622 on: December 13, 2018, 12:59:56 PM »
So it turns out this whole 'History Destroyed' thing is nothing more than a five issue Cosmic Ghost Rider miniseries. Yay?
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3623 on: December 13, 2018, 01:22:02 PM »
Cleverly named Cosmic Ghost Rider destroys Marvel history.Catchy.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3624 on: December 19, 2018, 10:19:58 AM »
#ASM  #11 Toy segment was actually funny.Also,Hip Flask is here.
And more of Kingpin playing 4D chess.Im sure that will pay off.Eventually.

Got to this one super late. I'm surprised you read it, I thought you said you were done with Spencer's sitcom antics.
In any case, Hip Flask = The Hippo?

Also, I've been meaning to say, someone's going to have to explain to me how Ottely kept his job after sneaking religiously charged imagery into an issue of Spidey when an X-Men artist from a few years ago got sacked for doing basically the exact same thing. Well, other than blatant favoritism of course, but I'm not satisfied by that answer.

In any case this issue was primarily about the modern take on J. Jonah Jameson, which happened in a different book. Since I was already interested in reading that story (and since Marvel did an atrocious job of recapping it in this issue, because of course they did. Seriously, not even a footnote to help you actually track down the story in question?) I went onto my Marvel Unlimited account and read every single issue of Chip's Peter Parker: Spectacular Spider-Man I could (it abruptly cut off in the middle of one of the more recent sub-arcs, oh well). Oh, I also took the opportunity to finally read Family Business since I still hadn't read it yet and that run is a direct followup to it. (For the record, PPSM did a better job of recapping FB than Amazing did of recapping PPSM) And the run itself IMO was ok-decent. The Dinner With Jameson issue, however, was fan-flipping tastic. I adored it. It really was every bit as good as I'd heard. Not only was Pete calling Jonah out on every bit of Jonah's B.S. over the years very cathartic (including calling out Slott's B.S. writing on Jonah in earlier stories, such as completely ignoring his dying wife's wises) I honestly did feel sorry for Jonah.

Spencer's version, mind you, is a little bit more of a mid-way point. The new hook with Jameson is there, but he also still acts very Jameson-esque, being a glory hound who argues with Spidey and seems more interested in promoting himself than being heroic. Not sure who exactly to blame that on (that sometimes throws me in Spencer's run, until I do research. Thanks for failing to provide such context in the actual book BTW Marvel) but it feels very Spencer-esque, if that makes any sense.

On a related note, I was reading an interview with Spencer about the book a while back and 1. Superior Foes was originally pitched as a Black Cat series, and 2) It was Joe Quesada of all people who suggested Peter get back together with Mary Jane. Weird eh?

Also Blade's in the Avengers now, because why not I guess. Time to reboot Blade in the movies?

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Oh, I almost forgot. The final issue of Infinity Wars: Sleepwalker, released last week, teased its eventual followup-in-the-form-of-a-different-book just as Darkhawk did for Sleepwalker.

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« Reply #3625 on: December 19, 2018, 11:52:54 AM »
I did say that,but truth be told...I got nothing better to do.Im only following ASM and Tmnt at the moment.And an occasional #1.
At least Spencer stays away from politics so far.I guess he learned his lesson with Secret Empire.And we reached a point where we have to give a Marvel writer points for not sounding off identity politics and #OrangeManBad rants.
Hip Flask is a charavter from Elephantman.Another thing I remember being good,but I never finished it.
Yeah,the Mormon thing...At least the issues is now a collectors item because they will fix that in collections.What are they,IDW?
Yeah,I felt like I missed something big with that JJJ status quo.
Im guessing these are new versions of Darkhawk and Sleepwalker?And they will go on to join the Champions...er,Secret Defenders?
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3626 on: December 19, 2018, 01:00:08 PM »
And we reached a point where we have to give a Marvel writer points for not sounding off identity politics and #OrangeManBad rants.

Please don't tell me you're seriously going there.
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« Reply #3627 on: December 19, 2018, 01:19:10 PM »
Yes,because thats tottaly not all they are doing.Oh wait,it is.
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« Reply #3628 on: December 20, 2018, 12:23:27 AM »
Yes,because thats tottaly not all they are doing.Oh wait,it is.

That's not what I meant about going there.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3629 on: December 20, 2018, 01:12:22 AM »
<breaks out his innuendo deciphering ring> ...mumble mumble mumble...h equals T...Captain Marvel equals half a dozen charactes...mumble mumble mumble...



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