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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3660 on: February 03, 2019, 06:50:27 AM »
Asm #13-14
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The Simpsons didnt invent that one,but I keept thinking Frank Grimes Jr the whole time.
From #14___ Peter,you are only in your mid 20s.
No,not even in comic book time.No way.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3661 on: February 13, 2019, 07:17:10 AM »
 ^_^ I was thinking the same thing, in both cases.
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« Reply #3662 on: February 13, 2019, 01:07:57 PM »
Maybe Im just being obsessive about it,but by last count Fantastic Four #1 happened in 2001 (and Reed and Ben were WW2 veterans,but thats a story for another day) and assuming Peter was 15-16 at the time thats means hes now around 35-36.
Either avoid that question or at least try to keep up with your own internal logic.
Granted,quite a few people pointed out that 2001 date doesnt really work in the scope of the greater shared universe,but lets go with that for the sake of having a starting point.
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« Reply #3663 on: February 13, 2019, 11:40:08 PM »
Oh I know what you mean. I've been thinking about it since last night. Flash Thompson no longer served in Vietnam because if he did that'd make him around Stallone's age. But he did serve in Afganistan. Ditto Tony Stark being in the middle east, as adapted in the Iron Man movie.

But I was thinking about "teenager-turned young-adult" characters that debuted at least a decade after Peter Parker. If Pete's in his mid twenties, then what does that make Richie Rider, Cannonball, Sunspot, Danielle Moonstar, Wolfsbane, Speedball, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Darkhawk, and probably a bunch I forgot about?

Of course, I remember when Roger Stern did a sequel to "Nothing can Stop The Juggernaut" in post-OMD Spidey, and claimed the original 1982 storyline happened "months ago."

Then again, over at DC, Batman's entire comic history apparently happened in the span of 10 years.
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« Reply #3664 on: February 14, 2019, 12:03:45 AM »
Aside from Astro City - whose timeline runs congruent with the real world - all the comic timelines are borked. Just think, when they aged Cap A over at Marvel they only went to his mid-sixties/early seventies even though he served during WW2. He should've been about a hundred with a walker or a wheelchair, not a buffed up sixty-ish.

Course if the timelines made any sense, half of the major characters would be dead of old age by now...
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« Reply #3665 on: February 14, 2019, 06:24:59 AM »
Few that I can remember...Hellblazer ran in real time.So does Judge Dredd.
Punisher is also no longer a Vietnam vet.But Magneto is still a Holocaust survivor.Granted dying and coming back to life a few times could explain that.And Magneto was at one point de-aged to a baby.
IIRC sometimes in the new 52 Batman said hes been doing this for 12 years so he has to be at least in is mid 30's or close to 40.
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« Reply #3666 on: February 27, 2019, 07:41:53 PM »
Asm #16 We reached our first event.I knew how this was going to play out,but clone army of Kravens would have been cooler.
Also the animal theme/totemism from JMS era.I hope Morlun isnt around at least.
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« Reply #3667 on: March 03, 2019, 07:13:17 PM »
So I want to interject the constant asm bashfest (which... Yeah no I dropped the book awhile ago. I tried, even caught up because the new scorpion design looked decent enough... But no, didn't hold my interest.) to bash the Xmen books right now because I recently caught up with a few things and dang if I don't hate what I've read.

Execution/xtermination/that book that finally put an end to the past Xmen in the present nonsense- Now, let's be clear: it's a move that's been needed for awhile. I enjoyed them while they were around, but with real Jean alive again, it was time for them to go back.

That does not, however, excuse how that book was handled. In order to "neatly" wrap up the original Xmen's return, side characters from their book are killed off in gruesome fashion, several characters are killed off just... because, character growth is jettisoned for the sake of magic mind control hound nonsense, and the entire book exists to tease Cyclops' resurrection.

Return of Wolverine- I don't even know where to begin here. So... Wolverine is resurrected by a mutant who controls zombies but she let his mind go for reasons and even though she knows he's rebelling she takes him to her murder satellite expecting the mutant superhero to... Not stop her from killing all of Earth's population? Also she built this without being detected in a world with Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom? Whaaat?!?!

It then insults me by plugging a follow-up book involving the infinity guantlet that involved the spirits of the infinity stones and I just wanted to read a freaking Wolverine story.

Uncanny X-men- I hated the whole story with Xman and Legion. It's dumb and full of false depth and gives Xman a Messiah complex out of nowhere (I know they justify it in the ending but the justification is stupid) and it all ends up with another "no more mutants" mess in which all the Xmen are supposedly dead.

The only, ONLY good thing to come out of the xbooks is... Despite hating the lead in and hating the tone and not caring for either's resurrection, I DO appreciate the Wolverine and Cyclops putting aside their problems and working together dynamic. They haven't done much but fight off some hate groups and piss off cap, but I do like the dynamic.

Sorry, binged some various xbooks last weekend and needed to vent.

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« Reply #3668 on: March 03, 2019, 09:33:19 PM »
Hmm...return of the 80s grimness with the idiocy of the 90s? Sounds like the industry has forgotten how to write plain stories that aren't "events" that span multiple books. Ah, to wish for the days when you could have a good full story plus snippets of future/ongoing plots sprinkled about in a single comic book...
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« Reply #3669 on: March 07, 2019, 10:55:53 AM »
This weeks quote from Stans soapbox is how they are always trying to entertain and not editorialize.As such they try to keep their personal opinions out of their sagas.
Marvel in 2019 is quoting this.Are they being sarcarstic or are they that funting self unaware?
You are editorializing and personal opinions far outweight the entertainment in your book.So dont spit in our faces and then try to hide behind Stan Lee.
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« Reply #3670 on: March 08, 2019, 08:01:05 AM »
Has anyone else been reading the Age of X-Man stuff?
I loved AoA so much i thougut I'd try all of the first issues for this. NextGen and Marvelous X-Men were pretty good. While Nightcrawler was so-so and Xtremists was just garbage. I just read Prisoner X, and its interesting seeing Bishop be the one linked to the real world again. I'm looking forward to tye Apocalypse book, cause it seems interesting. It seems like the AoA analogues will carry over in terms of quality of the book too. Marvelous X-Men is like Astonishing X-Men, which was good. Both Generation Next and NextGen are really great, and X-Tremists is more like Factor X... weak.

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« Reply #3671 on: March 09, 2019, 08:01:59 AM »
Haven't read any new X-Men stuff in a long while. The last one I read was Soule's Astonishing X-Men. I thought that was decent. It seemed like it was doing a little cross-media synergy with the Legion Tv show and the newer movies.

There was an annual by a different writer that I didn't read, but it brought back the alien that called himself Luficer from the original Stan Lee run of X-Men. The one who was originally responsible for the loss of Xavier's ability to walk, before that got retconned. The character made very few appearances after that.
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« Reply #3672 on: March 10, 2019, 03:48:01 AM »
Haven't read any X-Men books since around 2014 or so. If they let mutants make some darn progress instead of facing extermination every other week, maybe I'll start picking them up again.
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« Reply #3673 on: March 10, 2019, 06:57:08 AM »
As I've said before, I did a hard boybott on X-Men during the X-Men vs Inhuman business. Only Spider-Man/Deadpool was exempt from it. Mind you, the X-Men books weren't really putting out anything I wanted to pick up at the time anyway. Astonishing came out after IVX, so I picked that up, which I liked, but the later stuff has lost me.

And yes, I think X-Men especially has a problem we see a lot with Marvel and DC these days; they're doing status-quo shaking events too often to tell enjoyable stories with the status quo and characters they do have. Well, that and they keep going "Let's just kill off whoever editorial will let us kill, and let the readers look them up on the fan wiki" as a substitute for a good story.

Right now, I'd rather just read my Essential reprints I never got around to reading. Much more enjoyable, honestly. With those, even the stuff that's kinda bad is still good, because it becomes a charming element of the era the books came from. The modern comics really do not benefit from this factor.
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« Reply #3674 on: March 11, 2019, 08:18:54 PM »
Shaking up the status quo is only needed if you have a status quo.If you cant have 2 issues without tying into some event,then your events ARE the status quo.
Event-aftermath/prequel-Event+Spiderman crossover+X-men event-aftermath/prequel-Infinity something...
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« Reply #3675 on: March 13, 2019, 01:36:07 AM »
Just read Uncanny X-men 13...

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« Reply #3676 on: March 15, 2019, 04:21:20 PM »
Not to hijack the movie thread- IIRC Wasp came up with the name Avengers because she thought it sounded hip.Was that ever retconed?Or any other explanation given?
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« Reply #3677 on: March 17, 2019, 05:36:43 AM »
You are correct. That was in the very first issue of the Avengers. Was it ever further retconned or expanded in the comics? I don't recall. I'd guess if it was, the most likely place would be in those Joe Casey "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" miniseries that go back to the early days of the team (which also includes the mini "Hulk Smashes the Avengers") but I haven't read those yet. Maybe I'll have to give them a read sometime.
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« Reply #3678 on: March 17, 2019, 06:27:23 AM »

It still seems like thats the case.And you think Tony should remember,he was there.
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« Reply #3679 on: March 17, 2019, 06:53:34 AM »
Man, I read that when it came out, and didn't even remember.

Also, yeah, I enjoyed that run, but that's some bullcrap. Tony doesn't remember (or pretends not to, which is a d-bag move, even for post Downey Tony) And Ms. Marvel knows (how? Well, I guess that's less important than having her "Um, actually" a founding Avenger) and Tony basically bashes the Wasp behind her back? Are we sure Remender didn't write this?

Oh, on a not-particularly-related note, I'm reading some recent Marvel comics the other night, when I see an ad for a Realm of Kings tie-in, and what do I see?

"Realm of Kings: Journey into Mystery" featuring, among other characters, Death Lockett! So she does exist and somebody decided to use her? Coolio, Now if they could just do that for Gravity, the Eli Bradley Patriot, Wiccan, Hulkling, Speed, Cassie Lang, pretty much all of the Thunderbolts.... (oh right, just gotta wait for the movies to come out)

Also, I love how you can tell just from the cover that she's still "Angsty, unlikable" Death Lockett. I mean Arcade can make later appearances that don't reference or play off Avengers Arena/Undercover in any way, shape or form, but apparently the same does not apply to her...ok...
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« Reply #3680 on: March 17, 2019, 09:47:33 AM »
Because she a super special awesome fangirl?And Tony might have been drunk?
Wasp was only around for a month?Just the first team or do you count her entire tenure as an Avenger?She left and rejoined a few times,but its probably a bit more then a month?

Its funny that you can pick any page of any post-2015 Marvel comics and find at least 2 things that dont make sense.

Seems like the current batch of "writers" only knows about 3 villains:Doctor Doom,Taskmaster and Arcade.What is this opsession with Arcade?
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« Reply #3681 on: March 25, 2019, 04:02:53 AM »
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Seems like the current batch of "writers" only knows about 3 villains:Doctor Doom,Taskmaster and Arcade.What is this opsession with Arcade?

So a recent issue of Avengers: No Road Home had a text page in the back where the various writers on the mini talked about what villains came up. It included a juggling-themed villain team, Loki and Doctor Doom. It was kinda neat and gave a pretty good insight into where their heads are at and what their preferences and sensibilities were. Like how Loki can work as both a good guy and a bad guy.

Waid talked about Doom, and talked about how flexible he is as a villain in terms of how "noble" he is. Which isn't surprising. Waid, in his FF run, did a Doom arc that started with what he called "deconstructing his nobility". It involved him finally getting his mother back with dark magic like he already wanted to and then immediately sacrificing her for more power.

Anyway:

Jonathan Hickman is going to be doing some X-Men.

I got nothing. I did read his Avengers a few years ago, but I never finished it. I had trouble latching on to his writing, so I don't know about this. If I look into it and something grabs me maybe I'll get into X-Men with it but I kinda doubt it. I've got at least 5 weeks of new comics to get caught up in right now as it is.
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« Reply #3682 on: April 03, 2019, 07:47:07 AM »
It's convention season so time for a comics roundup:

-Marvel's about to put out a Spider-Man mini where Spidey fights Mysterio, obviously because of the upcoming movie. It actually takes place during the original black suit saga, which, according to an interview I was looking at, never featured Spidey fighting Mysterio, so it's somewhat uncharted territory. The editor of the book insists it will fit into continuity.

The good news: it's written by Peter David. Yay! The bad news? It's "drawn" by Greg Land. Boo!

I'll give it a pass on first release. Might read it a lot more down the line.

-Marvel's doing a War of the Realms tie-in mini where Spidey leads a team of Asgardian-themed characters. Not all that appealing to me.

-A new Death's Head mini where he teams up with, of all people, Wiccan and Hulkling of the Young Avengers! I'm probably not going to pick it up on first release, but I'll keep an eye out for it, yeeesss.....

-At a C2E2 convention panel, C.B. Cebulski was asked about the Young Avengers, and he replied that It's definitely going to be a good time to be fans of the YA, "but I can't confirm or deny Allan Heinberg or Jim Cheung's involvement." Kinda weirdly specific there. I mean, it's not like they were the only creative teams that worked on the original YA. I mean, even if you discount the Gillen lineup there was Zeb Wells, Chris Yost, Brian Reed, Ed Brubaker, Paul Cornell...

-I can't remember if I mentioned this before but they're doing a War of the Realms: Giant-Man mini, which should really have been called "Giant-MEN" because there's four of them: Scott Lang/Ant-Man, the new Giant-Man that was introduced in Astonishing Ant-Man, Atlas from Thunderbolts and Black Goliath's nephew Tom Foster. They fight an army of frost giants led by Moonstone of all people. Mind you, Moonstone lost her Moonstone during the recent "Thor vs Hulk: Champions of the Universe" but this was ignored after as she was seen fighting Carol Danvers in a recent Captain Marvel comic. Oh well. I'll be keeping my eye on this comic (I lost my other eye by trusting the wrong person  :P)

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[EDIT] oh and here's one I missed. I had to track down where I saw this:

There was an ad running in Marvel comics a few weeks ago for a story involving Venom that showed a bunch of Marvel characters being engulfed in pinkish/reddish tentacles with Venom at the top (a Carnage storyline I think; I vaguely recall hearing about that online) with the tagline "Everyone is a Target" The part that made it notable for me though? The teaser image was drawn by Greg Land, so in my mind it was "Everyone is a Target.....Of Terrible Greg Land Art"  :D
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« Reply #3683 on: April 03, 2019, 08:09:30 PM »
Suppose it could have been worse,could have been Salvador Larroca.No wait,thats the same thing.
It could have been...Javier Pulido?Or any of the ton of people with that webcomic/tumblr artstyle Marvel likes so much these days.
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« Reply #3684 on: April 03, 2019, 11:03:48 PM »
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of the work Larrocca puts out these days. But he didn't use to look like that. You go back far enough, say, Extreme X-Men, I don't think it looks as photorealistic-style as it does now.

Does Larocca constantly recycle his own work, his own faces? Does he ripoff other artists' work constantly? Because I'd still put him above Land.

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It could have been...Javier Pulido?Or any of the ton of people with that webcomic/tumblr artstyle Marvel likes so much these days.

I have trouble remembering what Pulido's art looks like, but I'm sure I've read stuff by him. Yeah, there's a lot of artists working for Marvel these days I don't care for, including some a lot of people really like. I do find it a, let's say, detriment to the enjoyment of some of the books I do read.

I mean, right now mostly I'm just happy the artists of Avengers: No Road Home actually know how to draw Rocket Raccoon. It's been a long time coming.

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« Reply #3685 on: April 04, 2019, 07:07:40 PM »
Larocca does a lot of tracing.And like really lazy- I googled "Han Solo" and traced the first picture that came up - kind of tracing.
Ok,I had to look up who did that cr@ppy webcomic artstyle and Pulido came up.Thou,I assume hes not the only one responsible of that.
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« Reply #3686 on: April 06, 2019, 03:20:09 AM »
Pulido is great! Especially his Robin Year One stuff. He's been around a while too, and comes from the same era as Michael Allred. Hard to lump him in with the tumblr crowd.

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« Reply #3687 on: April 06, 2019, 05:03:28 AM »
Okay,not the worst example.Take for example Brittney Williams or Kate Niemczyk.
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« Reply #3688 on: April 06, 2019, 08:03:44 PM »
I'm happy to say I've never heard of either of those. I've got it lucky I guess.

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Sorry to say, I'm not a big fan of Micheal Allred. But you're right, he does come from that era.
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« Reply #3689 on: April 06, 2019, 08:27:42 PM »
Everyone saw that Mockingbird cover,but nobody looked inside...

Food for thoughts- with Disney buying Fox,Marvel might get Alien and Predator licences.Considering the sad state of both franchises,even Marvel-2019 couldnt funt it up any further.
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