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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3690 on: April 25, 2019, 08:26:21 AM »
Spiderman Life Story #1 and #2 - Its actually good.We follow Peters life from '66 and in real time with (Im not gonna say realistic) naturalistic consequences.Vietnam war,Green Goblin,Professor Warren,Peters love triangle.And a lot of things play out differently due to the real time aspect.Like Flash dying in Vietnam,or Reed being divorced.But it doesnt feel dark,it just feels like life.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3691 on: April 25, 2019, 12:49:24 PM »
Yeah, I meant to talk about this mini series in this thread a while ago. I was reading the solicits for it recently and thought it sounded kinda nifty. I wouldn't mind reading it some time down the line.
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« Reply #3692 on: May 03, 2019, 07:01:14 PM »
Savage Avengers #1- Its some goofy $hit.And thats not a bad thing.You got Wolverine and Conan,cults kindnapping opera singers,elder gods... there is potential.However it wouldnt be the first time Duggan started good but just dissolved 10 issue in.
Deodados art is great as always,but the coloring is that super-digital in-house style and it screws it up royaly.
Oh,and its called Avengers but the team is more like Marvel Now Thunderbolts + Conan.
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3693 on: May 03, 2019, 11:23:07 PM »
Seeing as no-one else has brought this up, I guess I will. This week's Uncanny X-Men dropped a few days ago and apparently it had Rahne (AKA Wolfsbane) beaten to death by a human mob as a metaphor for trans deaths. The author has apologized after his twitter feed exploded in outrage, but the deed is still done.

For the record, Rahne is one of my favourite X-characters of all time. She's adorable and awesome and I love her to bits. So to see her not only killed off in such a fashion that highlights the problem with the franchise of late, but to do so to address a topic that the writer clearly has little to no experience with is nothing short of rage-inducing. Nevermind that she's not even trans. It's f***ing tasteless.

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« Reply #3694 on: May 04, 2019, 12:02:42 AM »
I quit reading mutant books years ago because I just got tired of them dumping [censored] on them every month. It was unnecessary, just a kind of mental onanism in the disguise of being "edgy". Earlier writers and artists worked hard to make us  care for these characters, to want them to succeed and to have an occasional "up" with the "down". Sounds like things haven't changed.

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« Reply #3695 on: May 04, 2019, 01:55:29 AM »
Rahne's pointless death just annoys the hell out of me because it just once again shows that current writers don't follow ANY character development OR even their own official handbooks. Heck, Rahne during her X-Force membership could charge into crowds of heavily armored Purifiers with weapons and leave with only a few scratches. Now she has been nerfed down to being taken out by a group of random haters without not fully cutting lose on them if her life was threatened?!?!

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 OH HECK NO! Not even close to her wanting to leave her old life behind. She did that before when she thought she lost her powers and became an adrenaline junkie because she needed something to fill her need for action. This almost reminds me of that stupidity of writing we got when a story arc started with random mutants crucified on the lawn of the X-Mansion just to make a story impact and most of those deaths were retconned during Age Of X.

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« Reply #3696 on: May 04, 2019, 02:38:16 AM »
Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. I haven't read X-Men in general in a few years (not counting Spider-Man/Deadpool, I picked up Charles Soule's Astonishing and Generation X, I think that was it) and it doesn't seem like I've missed anything good.

I have a longtime fondness for Rahne too, so yeah, that sounds pretty crappy.

 
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This almost reminds me of that stupidity of writing we got when a story arc started with random mutants crucified on the lawn of the X-Mansion just to make a story impact and most of those deaths were retconned during Age Of X.

So the X-Books are Chuck Austin bad these days? If so, that does put things in perspective.

As I'm sure I've said quite a few times lately, I've been reading a lot of older Marvel (and DC) comics in recent years, and I find it kinda refreshing. There's some good, fun, oldschool stories from back then that seem detached from the modern trends and instances of "because x writer says so" (not that that kinda thing didn't happen sometimes in comics written before 2005 or so, just it doesn't feel like it happened AS much).

It's a shame too, because Fox was supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.
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« Reply #3697 on: May 04, 2019, 03:29:30 AM »
It's a shame too, because Fox was supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.

During the Cinemacon event a few weeks ago that Disney/FOX stepped out to show they are working together to bring new life into the franchises they purchased in this buyout, They confirmed that Deadpool will remain under the FOX banner with Ryan Reynolds leading all of connected films (I'm assuming that X-Force will be part of the Deadpool Universe) and letting the X-Men pass into the Marvel Cinematic Universe once X-Men: Dark Phoenix is released.

But they showed New Mutants among the films to be released this year but it didn't seem obvious if it was theatrical, Hulu, or otherwise. I'm getting the feeling they are waiting to see how Dark Phoenix does and use New Mutants to change the discussion of the last FOX mutant project they release.

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« Reply #3698 on: May 04, 2019, 08:02:44 AM »
For a NoPrize-- It was those evil white nahzeeees from the south?   :banghead:
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« Reply #3699 on: May 08, 2019, 12:24:04 AM »
It's a shame too, because Fox was supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.

But they showed New Mutants among the films to be released this year but it didn't seem obvious if it was theatrical, Hulu, or otherwise. I'm getting the feeling they are waiting to see how Dark Phoenix does and use New Mutants to change the discussion of the last FOX mutant project they release.

That is a pretty good option, that I didn't actually think of prior. However, they're now saying it will be release theatrically in 2020.

Anyway, time for a comics roundup:

Avengers: No Road Home: I found this weekly series had some noticeable similarities to the last two Avengers movies that I would guess are intentional. Most people would recognize this story as the one that introduces (or perhaps it would be more accurate to say reintroduces) Conan The Barbarian into the Marvel Universe. But there is quite a bit more going on. For one thing, Al Ewing being one of the writers involved, there are a bunch of references to his Mighty Avengers run.

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Even with all that going on, I found myself not enjoying it as much as I would have liked; I think its predecessor series, No Surrender, was better, and this one felt a little bit forced as a followup.

Avengers #18 A War of the Realms tie-in that's also a proper introduction to the newest incarnation of the Squadron Supreme, introduced earlier in Jason Aaron's run, and with a hefty dash of wink-wink Justice League references.

-There're now called the Squadon Supreme of America
-They're based in Washington DC, and are referred to more than once as "DC's Greatest Heroes!"
-Power Princess has a redesigned outfit that makes her look much more like Wonder Woman than ever before.
-Hyperion is a high school history teacher, teaching American history.
-Nighthawk is black (I think this is the first time that's happened?) And is the newly elective representative of the District of Colombia. It seems to be implied that his secret identity is public knowledge, or at least is known to his closest aids. He's also obsessively driven, fixated on his dead parents and suspicious of his teammates, just like Batman. (Or perhaps I should say, modern takes on Batman). As one character puts it "He's best when he's brooding."
-Power Princess is reimagined as an MMA fighter in her civilian life.
-Instead of Whizzer or Speed Demon, we have Blur, who works an office cubicle job and sometimes works multiple jobs due to his super speed. He's also a social media addict.
-It's drawn by Ed McGuinness, who's worked on Batman/Superman and JLA Classified, making it look very reminiscent of JLA.
-Apparently S.H.I.E.L.D. has/had a database of celebrity sex tapes. "Who knew Vision was such a freak in the sheets?" Yes, really.
-Ontario and Lake Eerie gets namedropped in this issue, which amuses me, since I live in Ontario. The SSA, being very gung-ho America, aren't as concerned about protecting Canada apparently.

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Spider-Man FCBD:
It features a Spider-Man story by Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man writer Tom Taylor that may very well be the most pointless Spider-Man story I've ever read, if not ever published. It's a team-up between Peter and Miles (I'd assume motivated by the success of the Into the Spider-Verse movie) and features them teaming up to battle The Shocker and discussing what pizza places in New York they think makes the best pizza. That's literally all that happens in the comic. (There's also a lead in to an upcoming Venom/Carnage story, but I'm specifically talking about this story)
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« Reply #3700 on: May 08, 2019, 04:11:23 AM »
Supreme power had a black Nighthawk.He was even in the last Squadron Supreme series and had two series of his own.
/Checks wiki/ He got killed in Occupy Avengers,so I guess its not the same guy.
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« Reply #3701 on: May 08, 2019, 05:06:02 AM »
No, it's definitely not the same guy. There's a running concept in the issue that this new Squadron Supreme is being "groomed" to be the NEW Squadron Supreme that's kinda vaguely defined but also clearly supposed to be subversive (some online have claimed that this version of Hyperion and Power Princess being a couple was a dig at The New 52's most criticized Supes/WW coupling, which I could believe) but also can't be too subversive because it's yet another retread at a team that was always an on-the-nose wink-wink reference to the "Distinguished Competition". So basically every version of them is either "Get it? They're the Justice League!" Or "This is not your father's Justice League" (which is funny, since the official DC does that with every other iteration anyway), or, in this case, a bit of both.

I enjoyed it, but the big twist seemed engineered to make fans angry (I'm one of those people who heavily suspect DC and Marvel often do that on purpose as a marketing ploy) and I'm only mildly curious to see where it actually goes since Aaron's run has been nothing if not all over the place (It's about caveman Avengers! It's about Namor! Now it's about the Russian superheroes! Now it's about The Squadron Supreme! Now it's about vampires!)
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« Reply #3702 on: May 08, 2019, 09:11:16 AM »
Also,as I probably mentioned a few times,DC dropped the "of America" part 10 years ago,so this is a bit of a late jab.
And when your heroes only ever bother with New York,do you have the moral highground here?
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« Reply #3703 on: May 08, 2019, 09:18:20 AM »
Well, at least in this case, that myopia is intentional, and meant to mark them as bad dudes.

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« Reply #3704 on: May 08, 2019, 11:45:15 AM »
I get that,but its kinda lazy.
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« Reply #3705 on: May 08, 2019, 12:55:30 PM »
I've read the FCBD Avengers story now. It somehow managed to be even less subtle  :o

Tony Stark: Look, I've never considered myself an enemy of DC. They've been times you could even say I was a big fan. No matter the regime, they've always had people there who do great work. It's in all of our best interests that they do great work. But it's always seem to me they spend too much time worried about us, and annoyed we spend so little worried about them. [...] So hate us all you like. But deep down, you damn well know you wanna BE us. You wanna scream with all your might...MAKE MINE AVENGERS!

That's not to say we always know what we're doing around here. Even when it looks like we do, we probably made it up on the fly. We're good at that. It just means things get WEIRD sometimes. But you know what ol' Tony Stark always says...If ain't weird, you ain't trying.
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Gee, Jason Aaron, tell us how you really feel! I mean, come on! Half of that barely even fits the metaphor, if at all! To quote Giles from Buffy: The subtext is rapidly becoming text.

[EDIT] And now for something completely different:

Going over some older posts in this thread, this part stood out:

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Larocca does a lot of tracing.And like really lazy- I googled "Han Solo" and traced the first picture that came up - kind of tracing.

I was looking at a Disney/Marvel Star Wars comic recently (can't remember which one - it was one of the recent $1 reprints) and the tracing for the Original Trilogy cast was really blatant. Like some of the most blatant tracing I've ever seen. It doesn't help when you're tracing the main cast of the one of the most iconic genre fiction franchises of all time. People are going to notice you traced live action visuals of Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford.
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« Reply #3706 on: May 08, 2019, 03:31:55 PM »
Im sensing some resentment there.Did DC did something to you while you were young,Jason? This is Warren Ellis level of "spontanous" rant.
#DiDioManBad I guess?
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« Reply #3707 on: May 15, 2019, 03:15:03 PM »
We are almost at the end of this ASM crossover.And unless something really stupid happens in the last issue,it was...decent,I must say.Thou I will have the words "Thats so Kraven" stuck in my head.Spencer is down with the pop culture,he knows what kids are into. 🙂
X-men are getting a line wide reboot by Hitch.They must have funted up pretty bad,since they barely reached 20 issues.
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« Reply #3708 on: May 15, 2019, 05:33:47 PM »
Wow; that many?

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« Reply #3709 on: May 16, 2019, 05:05:30 PM »
Around that,I think?2-3 less,maybe,I wasnt really keeping up.
And speaking of numbering,Marvel is doing a Marvel Comics #1000.Since the first issue of MC came out in 1939 I dont think this math adds up.But DC did it,and we need a landmark,dammit.
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« Reply #3710 on: May 20, 2019, 12:44:53 PM »
Spiderman Life Story #3.It doesnt bring back as many elements as the previous issues.Mostly covering Kravens Last Hunt.But it still does an interesting spin on that.
And the WW3 thing pushes this a bit too much into What If territory.
Oh and quoting Stan Lees columns...even if you are not doing it ironicly,it doesnt work in your defense.Things changed.Stan said people told him there are too many Marvel titles,but also wanted new titles.He was kinda joking.Because you demanded it,Hulk gets a series and all that.Back when there were maybe 20 titles.
Now there are 70+ Marvel titles every month.There indeed IS too many titles.And nobody asked for them.Nobody wanted five Squirrel Girl books.
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« Reply #3711 on: May 20, 2019, 03:19:52 PM »
Spiderman Life Story #3.It doesnt bring back as many elements as the previous issues.Mostly covering Kravens Last Hunt.But it still does an interesting spin on that.
And the WW3 thing pushes this a bit too much into What If territory.
Oh and quoting Stan Lees columns...even if you are not doing it ironicly,it doesnt work in your defense.Things changed.Stan said people told him there are too many Marvel titles,but also wanted new titles.He was kinda joking.Because you demanded it,Hulk gets a series and all that.Back when there were maybe 20 titles.
Now there are 70+ Marvel titles every month.There indeed IS too many titles.And nobody asked for them.Nobody wanted five Squirrel Girl books.

Except there aren't five Squirrel Girl books.

Methinks you're exaggerating just a wee bit.
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« Reply #3712 on: May 20, 2019, 06:07:47 PM »
1) You are really trying too hard
2) Its a figure of speech.There are plenty of titles nobody asked for and that sell under 10k.
How many Iceman titles we had by now?
3) You did say your not buying any Marvel books,so why do you have a problem?Is it just me?
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3713 on: May 21, 2019, 03:17:39 PM »
Yeah, we've got way too many Adventures of Millie the Model and Forbush Man comics. :-P
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« Reply #3714 on: June 02, 2019, 09:15:38 PM »
After several complaints about the ongoing political discussion and some personal back and forth here, I have deleted some posts in this thread. There is nothing exact in which posts have been deleted; don't assume that things were all 100% okay before the deletion and don't assume that the first post that was clipped was the "bad one". That's not how real life works.

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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3715 on: June 03, 2019, 10:33:53 AM »
I swear it's always heated here. It's easy to get buried under all the details and more the nonsense in the world. In the people, in the communities, in life and in consumerism. It's a complex time to be alive. Don't let it drag you, even when it comes to your passion for the comic industry. This group has and always has been something special I don't see around the internet a lot. This is a very selective place for unique individuals with strong hearts for art coming together. Never let things like counter-opinions pull you from the importance of that and of the potential for great friends here. These people helped me through some of the most tragic times in my life and helped lift me up when I was at my most tragic. The thing to remember that for all the painful bologna is it's to serve as a reminder to focus and appreciate the good things when they are there and the good people. And you're all good people in my book. Else political stuff...yeah, that's what social networks are for now I think, or at least for political memes? Anyways love ya all, peace and killer whale.

On topic well, I don't care for the event but that's okay. Keeps me cut down on reading and I have too much else to do. And pay for for that matter. Let's me focus on the books I think are gems. I consider this and across the board here is it's a different time for superhero comics, like then we've ever seen. Both major companies are owned by entertainment giants now and all other properties are either trademarked by someone or at least all people working in the field are keeping themselves upon to being eyed by the industry so they can make some of that hot dollar. And who wouldn't really? That and we are at the cusp of an era where style is changing for the next generation, sort of like when the alternative music scene became a huge thing. With that happening it's all changing fast as the older folks running these publishing houses are trying to make sense of what the next generation will want to buy, noting the future of print itself standing on a ledge here, and what the die-hards still will as well. I think that accounts for why the state of comics are so strange right now and very scattershot for lack of a better term. It's a fun time to be watching it all at least. My stepdad has a plastic Rocket Raccoon on the dash of his truck, I mean he knows who that character is and I never would have dreamed of this day. I guess that's my sum and I say don't let yourself see it for anything it isn't. They're still people trying to entertain and do their jobs, it's just that they live in a time where it's not really concluded what that actually is. Me, I've just been reading old TPB's anyways. I figure if my love is for how the classics where told then why not give them a go again. Best I have to offer on the topic.


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« Reply #3716 on: June 03, 2019, 03:05:13 PM »
Mmm....bologna...
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Re: The Marvel Thread
« Reply #3717 on: June 03, 2019, 06:03:17 PM »
My mom makes fried bologna. Looks like zombie Pac-MAN.

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« Reply #3718 on: June 03, 2019, 06:06:19 PM »
Fried is the only way I like bologna. And I like to cook it until the edge starts to turn black.


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« Reply #3719 on: June 14, 2019, 05:43:52 PM »
It's been a while since I popped a comic open but I hear Jonathan Hickman is making a comeback and Marvel is giving him full reign over the X-Men. Any details on what he's planning? Inside trade secrets? Stolen personal diary? Spill it folks!