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Offline Cyber Burn

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #450 on: June 30, 2018, 04:14:06 PM »
Stahlhelm looks fantastic DJ, great. Your texture and detail work are fantastic. I didn't think it would be possible to improve on this, but I'm glad to have been proven wrong.  :D


Alright, another tease/WIP of the one I teased earlier..

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IF you look at this one and back and Stahlhelm, you can see the point I was making about the awards/medals.  Unlike Stahlhelm, this guy wears his medals out loud and proud.  They are:  Knight's Cross (around collar area), Iron Cross Second Class (ribbon in button hole), Silver Close Combat Medal (over left pocket; awarded for 30 consecutive days of "hand-to-hand" combat without armour support), Silver Wound Badge (left side of left pocket; wounded 3 to 4 times in combat), Iron Cross First Class (center left pocket), and the Silver Anti-Partisan Medal (right left pocket; awarded for 30 consecutive days of combat against a partisan unit).  Also note the shoulder boards, Stahlhelm shows that he is a Captain in the Waffen-SS Infantry while this fellow is a Technical Sergeant  in the Waffen-SS Combat Engineer Unit (they were the only ones who regularly issued flamethrowers).  I've still got some work to do, as you can see..but this guy will be interesting when I get him done..I hope...

Already interesting. I have to say that I'm really impressed with the research you had to have put in to know all about the medals, their meanings, and their locations. I mean I'm extremely impressed. While I liked the original version, this one shows just how much you've grown and improved since then.   :charonwow

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Re: DJ's place of preversion - WIPAGE..WIPAGE GOOD
« Reply #451 on: July 03, 2018, 05:21:53 PM »
Alright, another WIP look at this character with the flames:

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Ortho WIP

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Face wipage

Now, some of you are probably saying to yourself, "How is that a wip? That looks done, DJ."

Yeah...no.  There is still a lot of work to do on the face and I don't mean hair either (this character is bald).  It'll probably be awhile before you guys see this character again because what I plan on doing requires me to delve into my collection of tutorials and references again and hope that what I have can help me create what I'm thinking of....
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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #452 on: July 03, 2018, 10:19:02 PM »
Well even now he looks fantastic. Great job on the tank on the back.
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Re: DJ's place of preversion - Needing Input
« Reply #453 on: July 06, 2018, 01:28:59 PM »
So, I need some outside input on what I've done to the Nazi fire bug's face.  Right now it looks like this:

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Now, I've got some problems and they might just be in my head for all we know.  First off, there's a part of me that wants to take this burn marking and go all around the head but there's another part that says that where I got it is perfect.  Add to that a third side says stop where I'm at but do something to make the burn more natural looking and work the edges so they ease better.  I'm not sure what to do, truthfully....so I need some outside input from you blokes!  SO no just looking and moving on this time around...(I see you blokes just staring and wandering off)....pipe up and say stuff!!!!
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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #454 on: July 06, 2018, 08:56:39 PM »
It looks disgustingly great DJ. If you do stop there, you could give him a shock of hair on the unburnt side.

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #455 on: July 06, 2018, 11:32:57 PM »
... and maybe half an eyebrow.

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #456 on: July 07, 2018, 12:39:10 AM »
I'd stop there but ease the edges. Keep the non-symmetrical look. Really amazing looking!
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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #457 on: July 07, 2018, 04:04:47 AM »
... and maybe half an eyebrow.

With the pieces I'm using the eyebrows get lost behind the googles. I found that out when I did Chinook.

As for hair...I don't know...never envisioned him with hair...will ponder it.

I' stop there but ease the edges. Keep the non-symmetrical look. Really amazing looking!

It doer work better asymmetrical...I tried a full face look and even with rome extra reworks, it read poorly.
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Re: DJ's place of preversion - Brandstifter
« Reply #458 on: July 09, 2018, 05:46:55 PM »
Alright..here's the finished version of what I've been working on...I'm calling him Brandstifter (German for Firebug)....(be warned, the ortho pics are a bit large because I had to use Nifskope to get a good detailed shot of everything)....

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Note: I tried the hair idea the DM mentioned but unhappily everything I tried looked like it was pasted on, not natural.  So I went with out...
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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #459 on: July 10, 2018, 02:30:52 PM »
Just... wow.

Wow.

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Re: DJ's place of preversion - Tease
« Reply #460 on: July 12, 2018, 06:50:52 PM »
Just another tease....

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #461 on: July 14, 2018, 02:29:18 AM »
Oooooooo!

Offline Cyber Burn

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #462 on: July 16, 2018, 04:13:12 AM »
Truly inspiring DJ. Your attention to detail is phenomenal.

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Re: DJ's place of preversion - Correction
« Reply #463 on: July 17, 2018, 11:48:57 PM »
...hint hint...I don't always post wips here...sometimes I post them over at the Freedom Reborn Discord Server Tomato set up (see his post in General Discussion)... :D

EDIT: I have a correction to make on the fire bug's award info. The silver Anti-Partisan medal was for 50 days of combatting "partisans". It also turns out that what the Germans considered "combating partisans" also included removal of "underirables" (read: Jewish, Gypsies, ect) within recently occupied regions. This was very new info to me...had no idea that they awarded this medal for that. That combind with the flamethrower on firebug could make him a bit more sinister than I originally believed but I'm not going to go that way with his bio even though it would make it that more fulfilling when you kick his arse in game with a patriotic character. Will say that only one other of this collection will wear this medal (because of how the character fits into the team) and it will be for fighting partisans only (same with firebug) - I'm not going to include such evil in these characters, no matter how historically correct it maybe. If not for how the other character fits as an actual partisan fighter, I wouldn't include the medal at all knowing the full info on what it was awarded for. These skins aren't made to celebrate the Nazis and what they did. They are made to be beaten up in game because they are Nazis and are evil. Okay, back to regular show...
« Last Edit: July 18, 2018, 10:00:14 AM by Deaths Jester »
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Re: DJ's place of preversion - Nacht
« Reply #464 on: July 18, 2018, 06:39:56 PM »
Okay, new member of the team..kinda.  When Carr and I first collaborated together on this Nazi team, we had a list of about 20 archetypes that we'd put together that pretty much encompassed the mainstay archetypes that both the JLA/JSA and Avengers had (ie: The archer - Green Arrow/Hawkeye; The Bruiser - Wildcat/Wolverine, ect).  From there we split the list in half (I got 10, Carr got 10) and went from there developing the team.  Right now you are probably wondering what this has to do with this new post, right? Well, back when we were doing the collab, Carr pulled the Detective/Stealth Specialist archetype (Batman/Moon Knight) and created:

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Night Owl or Nachteule (Thanks to Cyberburn for saving these pics from back then)

Well, since I'm doing my own images of them, I decided to take that same archetype and create, Nacht:

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Nacht action shot

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Now there are a few things to call out on Nacht that need explaining:

1) The awards - he wears the Iron Cross 1st class (middle of pocket), Iron Cross second class (button hole ribbon), and the Silver Anti-Partisan badge (50 days of fighting partisans and the last one of these I'm doing after discovering more about what else this award was given out for - as mentioned above).


2) The coat - First up, the black coat is to represent he is a member of the Gestapo (as does the SD within a black diamond patch - the white piping around that patch denotes he's a member of Gestapo and no the regular SD).  While the Gestapo didn't actually have uniform (inside Greater Germany they wore plain clothes/undercover and in occupied regions wore the SD uniform), they often wore black leather overcoats because it provided them a little extra protection while they were undercover and looked "non-conspicuous" amongst the regular populace. Normally officers - they could purchase the coat in their branch colour at their own expense - weren't allowed to wear insignia on leather coat (aside from their shoulder boards).  Nacht,as you can see, breaks that convention.  Reasoning behind that revolves around the fact that this is actually his costume..not his uniform.  Nacht is the type of man that is the man of 1,000 faces - he spends all his time in the field in disguise, only putting on this outfit when he must report to a commanding officer or some important meeting.  Thus, when he appears in this outfit, he wears insignia to denote his branch (Gestapo due to the diamond SD badge with piping) and section (SS per the eagle on the sleeve).  In the field, he relies on his sidekick (coming later..maybe) to correspond with the soldiers/commanders and to attest that he is who he says he is (the sidekick wears a uniform most of the time).

3) The colour of the uniform - you'll notice that instead using field grey on the uniform, I used a grey with a bluish-green tint to it.  Even though Hollywood normally portrays the Gestapo wearing the black SS uniform, that uniform was discontinued in 1938/39 and the full stock was recalled by Himmler.  The black uniform stock was stripped of insignia and then handed out to the non-Germanic volunteer SS units.  The rest of the SS started wearing the field grey of the Waffen-SS except for the Panzer divisions and the police. The police/RHSA wore the grey with a blue-green tint coloured uniform pictured and what I tried to exhibit in the skin. Well, pictures I've seen of the SD uniforms show them having that bluish-green tint at least:

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4) He wears the SS-Sturmbannführer (equivalent to Major in US ranks) collar board on the right. The blank collar board on the left was something that was only worn by members of the SD/RHSA...it helped separate them from the other SS-based commands.

5) No shoulder boards - didn't find a mesh piece that would work with the trenchcoat and not show up underneath as well...so no shoulder boards.  Besides, he rarely wears this outfit anyway.

6) The mask - as you know, most of my original characters don't wear masks.  They just don't seem very realistic to me most of the time but for someone like Nacht - whose identity needs to stay hidden to all but a select few - it works.  Thus a mask...

Okay, that's enough of me rambling....

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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #465 on: July 18, 2018, 10:05:29 PM »
That's some crazy historical detail you're doing there. Great skin.
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Re: DJ's place of preversion
« Reply #466 on: July 18, 2018, 11:53:21 PM »
Yeah, it is a lot of historical detail but it's best to do it so I don't run into inaccuracies or trouble like the anti-partisan badge. If I had just done a little wider research on it, I would've never used it because of the absolulety horrorific actions that it was some times rewarded for (not that fighting the Resistance wasn't horrific enough but in war both sides fight partisan forces...no side should be liquidating people because they don't match certain requirements or rewarding awards for that.) Now I know more and will not use it again and make sure to lean the bios of the two with the badge away from that track and more towards actual partisan-based battles instead.
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