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Started by B A D, August 10, 2011, 04:50:53 PM

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Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 14, 2011, 05:58:03 PMAnd Lobdell referring to Connor as a thug over and over in interview proves to me he has NEVER read a recent Superboy comic or he wouldn't be trying to shoehorn these terribly 90s superhero archetypes into this comic.

The interview I read where he called Connor a thug he was only referring to the Young Justice cartoon version of the character. And that version is quite different than the comic part (not sure I'd call him a thug though).

I read Superboy and I actually quite liked it. I went in with the mind set that this was a new series with a new Superboy, and I think that helps. The whole mind in his whole body is weird, but the art was kinda nice. I'll definitely read the next few issues.
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deano_ue

ok upon reading batman and robin and the GL and RL books

seems the whole death and return of bruce still happened as did the war of the GLs. so your telling me this all happens in the 5 years that jla started and after action comics but then when does detective comics come into it and i've gone cross eyed

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Quote from: Glitch Girl on September 15, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick

:doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.

murs47

The animated .gif reactions made the Amanda Waller changes worth it.

murs47

You know, I'm with Pod, I kinda liked Superboy. My only beef is teenage Rose Wilson = Plato. WTF?

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Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 15, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Glitch Girl on September 15, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Apparently, the Wall is now the Stick

:doh:

So you can have as much diversity as long as the women are all a size 0? That's nice DCNU.

I can't take her serious now.  You know DC, there are big people in the world and ink is not that expensive....
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the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 15, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

Like what Marvel did with Nick Fury & Samuel Jackson
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 15, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

So... what you're saying is, instead of it being some bizarre dumb ploy at making all females look hot and attract new readers, it's an even dumber ploy at attracting fans of a movie that very few non-fans really liked? (Just saying... I personally thought it was ok, but any non-comic readers I've talked to hated it)

Talavar

Quote from: JeyNyce on September 15, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 15, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
the rumour flying around is she's based on angela bassett's look due to the gl movie

Like what Marvel did with Nick Fury & Samuel Jackson

The reverse of that, actually - Ultimate Nick Fury was made to look like Samuel Jackson long before Samuel Jackson was cast as Nick Fury.

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and Ultimate Nick Fury didn't even look like Sam Jackson on his first few appearances. He gradually morphed into that, and they got permission from Sam Jackson to basically use his likeness.
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AfghanAnt

Pod and Murs you guys liked Superboy? It just rubs me the wrong way because I've read all this stuff saying "he's still that guy, only reverse engineered" whatever that means and I got this completely new Superboy. But to be fair I had the same feelings when they shoved Linda Danvers into hell to make way for Kara Zor-El and her elongated torso.

murs47

Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 16, 2011, 12:30:52 AM
Pod and Murs you guys liked Superboy? It just rubs me the wrong way because I've read all this stuff saying "he's still that guy, only reverse engineered" whatever that means and I got this completely new Superboy. But to be fair I had the same feelings when they shoved Linda Danvers into hell to make way for Kara Zor-El and her elongated torso.

I guess I view the DCNU as an "Ultimates" sorta thing. Even though that isn't the case. So, I'm not too tied into expecting these versions to be like their original counterparts in any form rather than name. Other than Rose Wilson being a little too insightful, I did like Superboy. Not in my top 5 of the DCNU so far, but I'll pick up the next issue for sure.


yell0w_lantern

Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 14, 2011, 05:43:46 PM
Also cognitive amnesia as your cover story? Really? This comic is just...

Hmm... I wasn't aware there were other kinds of amnesia besides cognitive.
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detourne_me

my top 5 DCNU books so far...
1. Animal Man
2. Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
3. Action Comics
4. Batwoman
5. Hard to choose.... Swamp Thing, Superboy, or Batman and Robin

Other than those seven books I'll pick up second issues of OMAC, Demon Knights and Detective Comics...Maybe Mister Terrific too - but I think im getting my sci-fi fix with superboy and omac

deano_ue

just a note if you are a fan of classic teen titans or starfire stay the hell away from red hood and the outlaws. you have been warned

AfghanAnt

So yeah stay away from Red Hood and The Outlaws if you ever cared about the previous depictions of Starfire though it was an OK read...you know if you don't mind not knowing what is going on or why certain people are acting like...yeah...

Supergirl was ok. Wonder Woman was actually really good though. I got the horror feel and I really did enjoy the art more than I thought I would.

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Captain Atom was pretty decent, but it's going the way of Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, which I'm not sure will work in the main DCU. GL Corps is a good read as well. If it weren't for Stafire's change in character in Red Hood & the Outlaws, I would really liked it. As it stands, it's OK I guess.

Thunder

if Captain Atom is going "Dr. Manhattan" that's full circle.  Because Alan Moore wanted to use the Charlton  heroes for Watchmen.  Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan.

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Batman was quite good, and I really liked Capullo's art. There's a couple of neat twists and an interesting mystery starting up. Thanks to Murs for recommending it.
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Quote from: Podmark on September 23, 2011, 12:18:41 AM
Batman was quite good, and I really liked Capullo's art. There's a couple of neat twists and an interesting mystery starting up. Thanks to Murs for recommending it.

Oh cool Pod, glad you liked it. I haven't gotten to it yet. A "save the best for last" sorta thing. Did you happen to check out Scott Snyder's 10(?) issues on Detective Comics too?

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 21, 2011, 05:42:12 PM
just a note if you are a fan of classic teen titans or starfire stay the hell away from red hood and the outlaws. you have been warned

I thought Red Hood and the Outlaws was pretty good. I have no problem with Starfire's changes/retcons.

yell0w_lantern

Quote from: Thunder on September 22, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
if Captain Atom is going "Dr. Manhattan" that's full circle.  Because Alan Moore wanted to use the Charlton  heroes for Watchmen.  Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan.

And people complain that comics are too self-referential...
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Obviously, you don't have an issue with Starfire's changes, Murs. That's a big ol' duh. Buuuuut, someone does:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

QuoteYesterday, two new comic books from the "New 52" relaunch of DC Comics provoked some online controversy: Catwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws. They were controversial in particular because of the way they depicted women, notably with the aggressively fanfictiony on-panel sex between Batman and Catwoman, and Starfire's transformation into a promiscuous tabula rasa who can't even remember the names of the men she sleeps with, and seeks out emotionless sex with both of the two male main characters while they essentially high five about it.

Since pointing out my issues with Starfire yesterday, I have received numerous e-mails -- from men -- accusing me of slut-shaming. Since there are a lot of people who don't understand the sexual dynamics that are in play here both creatively and culturally, I'd like to dissect this a little bit and explain why these scenes don't support sexually liberated women; they undermine them, and why after nearly 20 years of reading superhero books, these may finally have been the comics that broke me.
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AfghanAnt

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I really was not expecting Catwoman to be Batman %^$#buddy. I was hoping for a strong Selina on her own adventures but whatever I'm not picking up the title. As for Starfire, too many younger people identify her with this cute, bubbly persona and now she's a forgetful spring break whore. I mean she's always been flirty and sexual but this is just ridiculous.

BentonGrey

Ahh...thanks guys.  I was feeling some uncertainty about continuing to avoid DC despite their reboot.  I kept hearing things that I sounded pretty decent, but all of this reminds me that these books continue to embrace the reasons I don't read mainstream comics.  Now I'm not conflicted anymore.
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Talavar

I agree with some of the points in that article, except for some about the art - men and women aren't treated that differently: both have ridiculous physiques crammed into skin-tight outfits.  She brings up the ridiculous recent Star Sapphire costume, and a fan-concept drawing for a male version to point out the difference - except Hal Jordan is already drawn as if he's basically naked as well.  His bulging muscles are just coloured differently.

I also don't think Catwoman and Starfire are being depicted in the same way.  Starfire appears willing to sleep with anyone, anonymously, and not even remember names of people she had slept with.  Catwoman has sex with Batman, a pairing with a long history, and he clearly cares about her (he's there to make sure she's all right after her apartment is blown up) - it's not emotionless or anonymous, even if she doesn't  know Batman's real name.  The author compares it -negatively- to a Spider-man/Black Cat hook-up from some years back, and I really don't see how it's any different, except that the art might be a little more graphic.

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To clarify, the author compared Batman/Catwoman's sex scene to that of Spider-man and Black Cat from a YEAR ago. :P. Not having read the issue myself, I can't say, but from the examples presented, not only was the art different, but there was an entirely different tone. That said, comparing Batman/Catwoman to Spider-man/Black Cat (BND edition) is blah to me regardless.
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murs47

LOL! That Batman/Catwoman scene looks like some porno fan art you'd find on DeviantArt! Hilarious!

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