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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1560 on: May 13, 2019, 11:57:49 AM »
So further up on this page, there was a post by me from April 1 (how appropriate) where I said the DC Universe Streaming service would finally be available to non-U.S. audiences. Well I was wrong. Apparently I misread an article about how for one day, to mark the 80th anniversary of Batman, the service would be free to U.S. based users. So yeah, not the same thing.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1561 on: June 06, 2019, 08:42:15 PM »
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1562 on: August 28, 2019, 12:27:20 AM »
Just read all of Young Justice because they have an earth 3 issue coming.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1563 on: November 14, 2019, 11:40:13 AM »
Nope. I was totally wrong and wouldn't guessed that in a million years.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1564 on: February 22, 2020, 05:01:45 PM »
Dan Didio is no longer in charge of DC.

I'm seeing a lot of comic creators, who obviously have a conflict of interest, talking about what a great guy he is, while you have someone like Linkara, who has no such loyalty, willing to throw the book at him with expert aplomb. Rob Liefield (whose thrown some shade online many times in the past) also bashed him. And all I can do is once again say to quote The Wasp: It's about damn time.

I'm hearing people doomsay about how things are going to get worse going forward, but honestly I'm a bit skeptical about that myself.

Gail Simone tweeted that Didio took credit for the bad stuff, and let other creators take credit for the good stuff. Maybe that's true, but I don't personally believe it and Linkara says he's heard the exact opposite.

For those coming in late, or those who forgot (nevar forget) Didio's list of sins include:

-Wanting to kill Grayson at the end of Infinite Crisis.
-Hating the weekly series "52" and claiming the much-derided Countdown to Final Crisis was "52 done right" (it was not)
-Wouldn't let Stephanie Brown have a display case in the batcave after she (temporarily) died.
-During his run on Outsiders, he wrote a harsh real life critic into the comic and portrayed him in a less-than flattering light.
-A ban on (nearly) any appearances by Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, going to far as to prevent the latter from even appearing in the Smallville comic continuation of all things (they shared a writer)
-Banning Kate Kane (Batwoman) and Renee Montoya from getting married, as well as Aquaman and Mera.
-Being rude people at conventions who suggested DC hire more women.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1565 on: February 22, 2020, 05:42:02 PM »
Don't forget maybe ****ing JG Jone's wife.

For those who've never heard of him, JG Jones was the artist who drew the first six issues of Final Crisis. He didn't draw the last one.

Apparantly there was a reason for that.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1566 on: February 22, 2020, 10:50:41 PM »
I think much of it though they would be reluctant to say just has to do with an unstable time in the industry raising tensions. IDW having major problems for example and as a result we're seeing the big names who were working there or at Dynamite revolving back to Marvel and DC, something most of them said they would never do again and noted said while business was good. Else I don't take any of it personally, these people all have history with one another between the panels and who knows what drives those choices they make. Lastly in his case it was bound to happen. You don't stand for being top dog and shuffled into the sidelines when you work in the arts. He knows well he can just go across the street and get a job with higher accolades. Same as Bendis did more or less with his jump from Marvel to DC.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1567 on: February 23, 2020, 09:26:05 AM »
Don't forget maybe ****ing JG Jone's wife.

For those who've never heard of him, JG Jones was the artist who drew the first six issues of Final Crisis. He didn't draw the last one.

Apparantly there was a reason for that.

I've never heard that one! Wow, that's a thing. Yeah, I remember JG Jones, I read Final Crisis back in the day, and I do remember the art changing for it. That's interesting.

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I think much of it though they would be reluctant to say just has to do with an unstable time in the industry raising tensions. IDW having major problems for example and as a result we're seeing the big names who were working there or at Dynamite revolving back to Marvel and DC, something most of them said they would never do again and noted said while business was good.

Yeah, that's kinda what I've read. Didio being let go apparently came from on high (WB) and they've been shuffling chairs in general lately. People speculate that whoever's put in charge will likely be a yes man who will play things safe and bland, which of course, doesn't sound terribly appealing.

Someone at Scans_daily put it really well: the guy who we may be getting in the future may be the kind of guy who would never approve Watchmen but would totally greenlit Before Watchmen. That's a pretty good analogy.

Personally I'm not super attached to DC right now anyway. I didn't like what Tom King did with Batman, Booster Gold or Wally West or what Bendis did with Superman (I've mentioned as much earlier in this thread) and now that Doomsday Clock is over and after dropping Shazam after delays and fill in artists, I wasn't buying any new DC books. I mostly buy the reprints, and honestly I like those better. See, I don't feel like I really need to read the new stuff. I've still got 52 and the Ostander Suicide Squad to finish, so I'm good for now.

As for IDW, yeah, we discussed that on this board a while back. I've not heard much lately but I don't really seek out that kinda information, I usually come across it by accident. But the Didio thing naturally made headlines.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1568 on: February 23, 2020, 11:47:31 PM »
Mostly when you say things like loyalty. Thing is it's not real for any of us. We all are moral and upstanding and the masters of our own destiny when the fridge is stocked. When times are tough though and the budget is in the red, well, it's all about getting by. And most of the people that work in comics are the bread winners for their families, not just immediate either but paying their grandkids tutions and such. Like I said most won't admit it but that's most likely the real reason behind things right now given the low state of the industry and sales.

I hear ya about DC though in fact I feel the same about Marvel as well. Then again that's going rate whenever sales are down too, that is they try new things and a different take on their standard stuff to try and pull in sales, gimmicks as it were. Mostly in cases it becomes something I don't enjoy though sometimes a dynamic peeks through that's so refreshing I love it, like the current Hulk run for example. Else I'm tried and true Transformers and Ninja Turtles here, nice to see both are having good enough sales to warrant even more spin-offs for that matter. For DC and on topic I guess much of my look forward to stuff was all mini-series and all of em are wrapping, most recently Flash Forward so I don't know where I stand there? Maybe Justice League Dark is my go to but I really haven't given it much thought, too much real life stuff to tend to right now. At least that book is consistent. For now I don't have to worry about coming in and finding an all new issue #1 relaunch that's something entirely different from what I was following. For now. I guess that's the downside of enjoying a serial based media though. Part of the enjoyment is the continuation like any good soap opera but it has to switch up at some point in order for the artform itself to survive and thrive in the business world.

Also feel ya about TPB's. That's standard for me. Currently anything and everything Lady Death but mainly because I'm making a model for this site and need the reference material. Why not really though? If the new stuff doesn't trip your trigger read the stuff that does. Eitherway you're paying dollar and supporting the artists.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1569 on: May 21, 2020, 07:06:21 PM »
Hi,everyone.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1570 on: May 25, 2020, 07:43:22 AM »
I don't think I've ever even heard of Batman Universe.

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Not a particularly uncommon characterization of Batman, really. Depending on your definition of the word "total" in the context of Batman.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1571 on: May 25, 2020, 06:05:17 PM »
SS, unfortunately, that's become the standard; one of many things about modern comics I don't care for.
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« Reply #1572 on: May 25, 2020, 11:37:57 PM »
I blame it on Frank Miller. Batman is sort of a jerk through DKR and its follow ups, but you can understand why considering what he's gone through.....then you get All-Star Batman, which is a DKR prequel, and he's a world class jackass from the beginning.




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« Reply #1573 on: May 27, 2020, 01:35:05 AM »
Gah, it makes perfect sense that All-Star Batman, which seems to be nearly universally derided, would somehow be influential.  Ha, I think the field is about that irrational.... :P
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« Reply #1574 on: May 27, 2020, 05:55:37 PM »
SS, unfortunately, that's become the standard; one of many things about modern comics I don't care for.

I think mostly that. There was a shift in the climate of the industry, what was this the late 80's I think? It was a brief era called the Grim And Gritty era. This is about when Azbats came in, Superman died, Spider-man would be beaten and bloody every issue, everyone had stupid huge guns and characters that did became the favorites as well Wolverine and characters that were a little more pure became "lame boy scouts" and eventually had to be hardened to go with the flow. Likewise the villains began murdering, raping and becoming more overall Hannibal Lectors. In Batman's case they didn't want to make him appear to have a lack of self-control thus the option was to make him more callous and blunt, something which was just way hammed up more than it needed to be and somehow got critical acclaim thus stuck. Imo I like a dry wit Batman better that can use heart to win a battle by just applying clarity and therapy. A guy who fights passionately for the right reason, to save people and not more because "this is the way the world works". I think the standard is going to change though myself. The real world is just a little too terrible and people are more sick of real violence and heartlessness than to be stimulated by the fantasy version of it. I know I personally can't stomach a shoot-out film the way I used to, heard too many gunshots in real life to want that as my form of relaxation and escapism. I'd rather watch a RomCom if it comes to that.

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« Reply #1575 on: May 27, 2020, 06:11:15 PM »
Agree it started (or became popularized) with Frank Miller, but probably even earlier than All-Star Batman. goes back to Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year 1.
That being said, those 2 were actually good (especially compare to All-Star Batman which is incomprehensible and basically a parody of Miller by Miller :)

Like many things that become popular, everybody apes it but often to lesser quality.

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« Reply #1576 on: May 27, 2020, 07:16:47 PM »
Tell me about it. I remember when signal boosting meant putting a crumpled ball of tin foil on something.

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« Reply #1577 on: May 31, 2020, 04:18:43 AM »
Yeah, the 90s have much to answer for, ha!

Exactly, SA!

re: Batman - my Batman was Adams-Aparo era where he was buds with Superman and teamed up with everyone on Brave & The Bold (yeesh I'm old)

Haha, I'm not quite so old, but I sympathize.  I love a character with a bit more nuance and a bit more good in him. 

Darwin' Cooke's cover with the two of them having disarmed a bomb really captures what I want to see from them:
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There should be some warmth and humanity in these characters.  That's part of what makes Batman: TAS so perfect.  They have the Dark Avenger version, but he's still a good man, and he's not afraid to smile and laugh, on occasion. 
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