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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #840 on: July 26, 2019, 03:09:12 PM »
The funny thing is, if say for instance a frog found Mjolnir and was found worthy, and became frog Thor, no one would have any issues. :D

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #841 on: July 26, 2019, 03:13:44 PM »
The funny thing is, if say for instance a frog found Mjolnir and was found worthy, and became frog Thor, no one would have any issues. :D
ThorPepe...I like that. Its got potential. ☺️

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #842 on: July 26, 2019, 03:27:31 PM »
The funny thing is, if say for instance a frog found Mjolnir and was found worthy, and became frog Thor, no one would have any issues. :D
ThorPepe...I like that. Its got potential. ☺️

Matt Furie might have an issue with that, but no one who uses Pepe's image cares about Intellectual Property rights.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #843 on: July 26, 2019, 03:43:29 PM »
In that case the meme transcended the comic it was based on.Not that hard,since all of 3 people read the comic.
Even Family Guy had "Pepe the Alt-right frog".Which also means that meme has been dead for 2 years.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #844 on: July 26, 2019, 05:34:45 PM »
In that case the meme transcended the comic it was based on.Not that hard,since all of 3 people read the comic.
Even Family Guy had "Pepe the Alt-right frog".Which also means that meme has been dead for 2 years.

Just because you feel "entitled" to use someone else's intellectual property, doesn't make it right. But right and wrong doesn't matter to those people, and you never see them trying the same stunt with Disney characters. 

For those of you who have not been radicalized by social media and feel the compulsion to make political references into every little thing, my reference to frog Thor was something that actually happened in the comics, back in the good ole days when you could just enjoy stuff without political taint being in every little thing.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #845 on: July 26, 2019, 05:58:55 PM »
I was just joking,in case that wasnt obvious.And mentioning a dead meme isnt really a political statment.
Second thing,what happens when your creation takes a life of its own? Do you sue every $hitposter on the net? Or what if YOU become a meme,like Scumbag Steve or Annoying Girlfriend?
Saying "its morraly wrong" doesnt mean anything because thats not how internet works.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #846 on: July 26, 2019, 06:07:24 PM »
I was just joking,in case that wasnt obvious.And mentioning a dead meme isnt really a political statment.
Second thing,what happens when your creation takes a life of its own? Do you sue every $hitposter on the net? Or what if YOU become a meme,like Scumbag Steve or Annoying Girlfriend?
Saying "its morraly wrong" doesnt mean anything because thats not how internet works.

Well simple answer. If you are a multi billion dollar corporation, then you can enforce the law on your own IP. If you are not, then you can't. Money can enforce respect, but no amount can buy it. Anyhow this is way off topic now. Semi related, I am friends with author Michael Moorcock, who is not a millionaire, and I watched for YEARS as his lawyers fought game company Chaosium to finally get them to cease and desist use of his Intellectual Property without compensation for DECADES. So it does happen to more famous people.

I liked Far From Home enough to see it in a theater twice, and I actually gave Avengers a miss mostly due to length and a medical condition which makes it hard for me to watch long movies in one go. Tom Holland is certainly my favorite iteration of Spider-Man, and though Far From Home was over the top, for not one moment did I not feel like I was watching a Spider-Man movie, which is good. Amusingly, I saw it the day before I watched Homecoming on Netflix. I wasn't worried about the Avenger spoilers as I am familiar with the source material.
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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #847 on: July 26, 2019, 06:37:48 PM »
Yes,I know it happened in the comic,and again,it was a joke.
Im not familiar with the case in question,but I assume the company was making games based on Moorcocks books?Thats not really the same as if they posted memes.
But Furrie took it personally, which I can understand, and started a fight he just cant win. Nobody ever beat 4Chan,as far as I can tell.
Big companies do protect their IP, and they have to. But even they pick their battles. Is Disney going to sue St Louis PD for their use of Punisher logo?They could,but its probably not worth it.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #848 on: July 26, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
<points Benton to the parts wherein he said he had way, way too much on his place nor the time> See my previous post, BG!
Darn, and here I was hoping to provoke DJ into getting back involved more!  :P  Glad to see you around nonetheless, you undead scoundrel. 

Cat, I disagree.  It's far from a perfect analogy, but I think the point is valid.  It's just clearer in their cases because, as you say, their nom de guerre is different from their personal name.  Yet, those are, effectively, their titles, and Thor also has a title, God of Thunder, though it is not his adventuring name.  It's the title, and powers, that a new character inherits, as it is the title that Dick inherits from Batman, etc.  'Mato points out that Erik Masterson went by Thor for a while, but wasn't he actually bonded WITH Thor during that time?  Jane should follow the example of that great amphibian hero, Throg, and be Jhor.  ;)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/throg/4005-30596/

Also, I sorta' want to read some 'Frog of Thunder' stories now....

Anyway, the whole thing just seems intensely silly to me, whatever justification is used for it in universe. 

In terms of the movie itself, it's interesting that they're sticking with Natalie Portman in the next movie.  I sorta' thought she wasn't interested in doing more Marvel movies.  I suppose a chance to be the heroine instead of the love interest changes things some.  It's a crying shame they killed off Anthony Hopkins' Odin (for many reasons), but it would have been really cool to see him interact with her in light of their little mini-arc from Dark World.

Kommando, nice to see you around.  Glad you enjoyed Homecoming!  You didn't get the sense that it broke from the feel of a Spidey story during some of the big, globetrotting, jet-flying moments?  I enjoyed it plenty, but I definitely felt like it struck a note that didn't resonate with Spidey for me.  Holland, however, was very much Spider-Man, even in those scenes.

You're friends with Moorcock?  How cool!
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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #849 on: August 09, 2019, 05:20:55 AM »
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So guys, I know this is super out of date at this point, but I've been going through some of those Pitch Meeting videos, and I just watched the Thor: Ragnarok one.  It's hilariuos and a pretty much perfect send-up of everything wrong with that movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kl4cVc5Dw

I feel somewhat vindicated.

So Benton, I know this is super out of date at this point, but ended up in a sketch-comedy-on-Youtube mood tonight and I finally got around to watching the Pitch Meeting video for Thor: Ragnarok. Yep, you're right, it's pretty much a perfect send-up of everything wrong with that movie.

Letting Jeff Goldblum be Jeff Goldblum as a substitute for actually developing the Grandmaster as a character...yeah, pretty much. I mean, mind you, you could pretty much say the same thing about Grandmaster's fellow Elder of the Universe, The Collector, just being Benicio Del Toro in Guardians. Hmm, considering Thor:R seemed to take after Guardians for the comedy, maybe that's why they ended up going that route?
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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #850 on: August 10, 2019, 08:11:52 AM »
I honestly haven't given much thought to Jane Thor movie. Too far in the horizon to think about it and I'm trying to just absorb what they had made so far and develop a sense of nostalgia towards it. I do give them credit if they are really giving Portman some ample screen time. Love her or loath her Disney does have a good takeaway from her two franchises over and sort of owes her the chance. "If" keyword. Could be a whole five minutes of the film, could be later things change even or she changes her mind about it, it's happened before, again who knows right now.

If they chose to franchise the comic idea I wouldn't blame them either. Stan Lee once said about Ben Reilly "The only thing that sells better than one Spider-man is two of them." which is more relevant in this era I think. Also I think the days of character stake claiming are long past regardless of any feels about it. If Bruce Wayne becomes Superman in canon next month I would raise an eyebrow but wouldn't think twice about it, switcheroo has just become as common in superhero comics as capes are now. I dunno, read the current comic issues? There was something like eight to ten different Thors happening there. And Jane is Valkerie now or something, got to switch your cosplay up every now and then don't ya know.

Either way the next Thor movie just isn't in my solar system right now so eh? I'm also too busy dreaming about a Captain Marvel 2 that takes place in the past after the first and deals with Carol meeting Jessica Jones as Jewel and such. I can dream and will continue to enjoy my headcanon over what ever they really make. Not to say I won't enjoy what they do but like anyone I have this pretty specific to me version of everything laid out in my imagination space and nothing in real life ever matches it.

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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #851 on: August 10, 2019, 02:18:46 PM »
If they are casting a female Thor (ok,whatever) they should have probably went with somebody younger and a bit more buffed.But thats just me.

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« Reply #852 on: August 12, 2019, 12:35:47 PM »
I'm mostly just worried about Portman not being able to pull off comedy relief as well as Hemsworth.  I don't care who wields Mjolnir, just be as entertaining as Ragnarok por favor.

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« Reply #853 on: August 22, 2019, 05:33:19 AM »
Bye,bye Spiderman. Phase 4 looking more promising by the day.

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« Reply #854 on: August 22, 2019, 01:51:58 PM »
Don't believe everything you hear. The reported dispute was specifically about Kevin Feige producing the next film, with Disney trying to use that to extort a RIDICULOUS 50/50 split of all profits on the next film. Sony said no, and it's got everyone in a panic over the whole arrangement. However, there are some sources that claim the next Spider-Man film IS still part of the MCU (the contract stipulated it'd continue to a third film if the second made over a billion... it did), and even if it's not... right now, who cares? On the Marvel side, the next films are Black Widow, Eternals, Shang Chi, Dr Strange 2, and Thor 4. None of those films need or should have Spider-Man. And on the Sony front, they've got Morbius, Venom 2, and some other films coming right now. By all accounts negotiations are ongoing, so both sides have time to resolve this before the third SM (if they even need to do so, I'm not 100% on that source.) or Avengers 5 goes into production.

This whole thing, all of it, is a publicity stunt by Disney. They made an outrageous offer, it got rejected, and then leaked proceedings to the press to whip the fanbase into a frenzy and force Sony's hand.

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« Reply #855 on: August 22, 2019, 02:55:15 PM »
Eternals,your perspective example are Eternals? 😂

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« Reply #856 on: August 22, 2019, 03:44:24 PM »
What? I don't... Spade, I listed all the upcoming MCU films for the next two years to demonstrate that SM isn't needed for any of them.  I didn't use Eternals as an example of anything else, nor was that film specifically singled out in any way. It's not even the first I listed.

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« Reply #857 on: August 22, 2019, 04:29:51 PM »
Who are you talking to?

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« Reply #858 on: August 23, 2019, 09:34:44 PM »
Credit for kkhohoho on this one, he brought it to my attention.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ms-marvel-series-works-disney-1234216 -ms marvel show coming to Disney+

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« Reply #859 on: September 06, 2019, 09:17:07 PM »
I'm with Tomato here. Things change fast for one and there's a difference between what is truth and what is presentation. Not that long ago we would have been on a comic forum saying Spider-man could never have been in a Disney film because of red tape yet it happened and almost overnight, thus can happen again. Mostly and the same goes for the Hulk it's a tug of war about more money but in reality Sony is no position to make demands, they're media outlet is hurting. But corporate types just don't think like that. When they were losing they made the deal but once Endgame came about they saw profit thus got demanding again. Same goes for Fox here as well. Any company really, it's the way stocks and shares actually work. Think like Ferengi and Rules Of Acquisition. And when it comes to worldwide household products art has less to do with it and the money people have the final say.

Add a pride issue. Toy's R Us is a great example, I used to work for that company. It's "went bankrupt" as anyone now knows but the truth is it was bankrupt two decades ago. They could have preserved it by being a distributor given the popularity of online ordering increasing rapidly or just for a large outlet like Wal-Mart yet they ran it all into the ground out of pride. In the end they tried having us set up kids barbers, no joke, just to try and make the ends meet. That's why they went out. Compare it to comics. Say Image folded, the market just got so bad and they couldn't afford their own overhead. The option would be to sell to a more stable and expansive entity, say DC Comics and Warner Bros. But you know well they would fight that tooth and nail even if it meant burning their own house to the ground because simply it is their child. They created this and it's hard not to have pride in that as much ones own achievements.

Anyways in short I have no doubt the MCU will have these characters in it but they just can't announce that legally right now lest the shareholders retaliate. It's just not profitable for any of these companies to refuse to play ball but it is a matter of a contract every team is satisfied with is all.

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« Reply #860 on: October 02, 2019, 05:03:57 PM »
They updated J Jonah Jameson. Now hes,well...based on a somewhat controversial internet personality.

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« Reply #861 on: November 10, 2019, 09:50:21 PM »
It's an entire month and change too late, but the Jameson thing was discussed earlier in this thread prior to that above post. For those wondering, the reason why it's coming up again is Sony's been releasing some internet videos starring Jameson.

Who, by the way, supposedly is going to appear in Sony's Morbius the Living Vampire (starring Jared Leto as Morbius - yes this is a real movie) I'm like "sure, why not, I mean, I'm probably not even going to watch it until at least the On-Demand release, but whatever. It'll have at least thing going for it.

Also I saw Dark Phoenix a few months ago. It wasn't easy, because Disney blocked it from being released on the On-Demand, or the Playstation Store, after they got the distribution rights so I had to rent it for Youtube of all places, but I did see it.
I didn't think it was terrible (though I'm biased towards this series) but it certainly wasn't good. The word to describe it is "joyless." There are no jokes, no gags, no Quicksilver setpieces (Quicksilver is absent for about 80% of the film) and the traditional F-Bomb isn't even played for laughs this time. And the big surprise they left out of the trailers was supposedly neutered by behind the scenes issues. Of which this movie had a lot. Not surprisingly, but still heartbreaking. They took a loss on Apocalypse so they didn't have enough money, the Fox deal was going through so they had to wrap up the story fast, cut out and change a bunch of stuff so they could release it Justice League style. The one interesting new element we haven't seen before (outside of spoilers, and other than the brief outer space sequence) is lip service to the old "Professor Xavier is a jerk" angle that pops up in the comics from time to time.

For whatever it's worth, Chris Claremont praised the film on the merits that it put Scott and Jean to the forefront. Which, hey, if you leave out Wolverine, then yeah, that'll happen.

A list of things that tragically never came to pass:
-For starters, they were going to spend more than one movie telling the Phoenix Saga. And also way more outer space.
-A deleted appearance by original Colossus actor Daniel Cudmore (we apparently don't know who or what he was going to play)
-The ending would have been reshot to have more X-Men take part, but it was deemed too expensive (instead we got the train sequence, in which the mutants are being carried away by the Mutant Containment Unit (and yes, that does abbreviate to MCU and no, it's not a coincidence.)
-The original ending was scrapped because it was believed to be too similar to another recent superhero film (the popular guess was Captain Marvel, but Kinberg eventually said it was Civil War. Yep, we could have had X-Men: Civil War)
-Jessica Chastian was originally going to play a different character (I'm not going to say who since her role in the movie is spoiler, but if you're curious you can look it up).
-Jackman was supposed to be in it as Wolverine, but they opted not to do that because they didn't want him interacting with a teenage Jean Grey (even though that happened in Apocalypse, but whatever)
-Psylocke and Jubilee were supposed to appear but Olivia Munn was doing Predator and Lana Condor was doing a movie at the time. Lana did get a spiffy new comic book gig though: the short lived Sci-Fi Adaptation of "Deadly Class".

Truly, the Fox X-Men franchise went out with a whimper. Oh well, Legion was aces at least.  :thumbup:

Also, anyone hear heard the speculation about Wandavision? I'm going to put it in Spoiler Tags because even though I don't know 100% if it's gonna happen it's looking pretty likely and it's the kinda thing some people will probably enjoy being surprised by.

SERIOUSLY, IF HAVEN'T HEARD THE THEORY YET, AND YOU'RE DEAD SET ON BEING SURPRISED BY BIG MCU STUFF IN THE FUTURE DO NOT READ THIS!!!

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