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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #660 on: December 06, 2018, 04:41:45 AM »
...before that Marvel said it was during a CIA mission that went bad a few years before SHIELD formed (sometime in the 70s, I think)...
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« Reply #661 on: December 06, 2018, 05:17:53 AM »
Way, way back when I think it was a WW II wound (Sgt. Fury #27) that later gave him trouble. Thus, in FF #21 he has no eyepatch, but when SHIELD got its' own series he was given an eyepatch.

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« Reply #662 on: December 07, 2018, 03:14:18 PM »
Well, the first trailer for the last Avengers movie has dropped....it looks like it's going to be called Avengers: End Game.  It's interesting, but there's not too much to work with yet.  Needless to say, I'm excited, but this feels super early.  I guess this semester has just flown by for me.  :)

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« Reply #663 on: December 07, 2018, 06:18:57 PM »
It was probably something to do with Skrulls.
Which probably inspired to start the whole Avengers thing.
Im kinda dissapointed we will never see a Publisher/Fury team up.
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« Reply #664 on: December 07, 2018, 07:23:46 PM »
"last" avengers movie. Yeah, sure.

Honestly I'm surprised it took so long. Avengers 4 comes out only a month or so after Captain Marvel, which has had 2 trailers and most of the toy line revealed. This is the first time we've even had confirmation of the name, even if several people guessed months ago.

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« Reply #665 on: December 13, 2018, 11:29:09 AM »
Got around to Infinity Wars.A big round of IP bingo ending in a cgi clusterfunt of faceless armies.Its a lot like Ready Player One.Or any movie made in the last 10 years.
I didnt hate it,mind you.But I dont have any strong emotions towards it either way.
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« Reply #666 on: December 13, 2018, 04:57:42 PM »
Wow, HT, I think you must be dead inside.  Ha, IW was one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had in a theater.

'Mato, you're probably right.  Like I said, the semester has just flown by for me.  Seems early. 
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« Reply #667 on: December 13, 2018, 06:17:11 PM »
I probably am. 😉
But in general Im tired of the final battle between two cgi mook armies.EVERY movie does that.
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« Reply #668 on: December 27, 2018, 01:14:20 PM »
So I had been re-reading chunks of this thread re: Infinity War, and I realized there were a few things I meant to comment on that I apparently declined to, or just didn't have time to and/or forgot about.

First order of business, I found the Avengers 4 trailer profoundly disappointing. It's short, it tells us very little (and yes, I'm sure for many people that's precisely why it's a perfect teaser trailer) but after a half a gosh darn year and the most frustrating cliffhanger in the history of cinema, it left me severely wanting. And other than maybe the last scene of the trailer because spoilers, there's absolutely no reason this shouldn't have been the post credit scene for Infinity War.

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Anyway, the other thing I wanted to talk about was Eros. I don't remember why I never bothered to comment on it beyond my initial comment, but I had two things to add.

Seems like I remember a point where Starfox and Mentor were purple.

They originally were, later stories and some reprints of the original story changed their skin color. The $1 reprint that came out around the time of Avengers: Infinity War, that I read back then, for example, kept the original coloring for posterity's sake. I could have sworn I responded to this back in the day. Maybe the board ate it while I was originally writing it.

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As much as I appreciate the sarcasm, I'm being serious. It's the same reason Drax went from "Zombie human brought back to kill Thanos by Thanos' cosmic entity grandpa" to "alien with a funny speech quirk." There's aliens all over the place in the GotG, the fact that there's a big Hulk looking purple dude doesn't even have to be mentioned, they can just show him in space and people unfamiliar with the comics will take him as just another type of alien.

Showing his white, human looking brother would raise questions, which the filmmakers can either not answer (in which case why include Eros and Thanos' race at all, since all they'll do is confuse audience members), give the explanation from the comics (which takes time away from the rest of the film as I said) or make him and the rest of Thanos' race "normal looking" purple dudes in contrast to Thanos' hulking appearance. The last option leaves no questions for audience members other then "who is that dude with the red hair?", leaves things open for Thanos to still be a freak due to his size, and even allows for a white Eros in later films, if the filmmakers choose, by having his appearance be somewhat tied to his powerset.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sold on that assessment myself. Yes, people might wonder about it, but if  Gamora and Nebula, and every member of the Black Order can be referred to as Thanos' children while clearly not being his biological children, then I don't see where Eros couldn't just be his non-biological brother. Heck, if they wanted to they could even introduce Eros without actually having him be related to Thanos at all. I once argued that Lian Harper in the New 52 could have been introduced as unrelated biologically to Roy Harper. Same idea. Ego wasn't Star-Lord's father in the comics and Mantis wasn't his sister. Speaking of which, fun fact, in the mural of Ego's lovers, supposedly you can see a Mantis-like alien who may or may not be Mantis' mom, which would of course make Mantis literally Star Lord's sister. James Gunn said not to necessarily read too much into it.
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« Reply #669 on: January 09, 2019, 03:36:36 AM »
Just watched Venom tonight. Not great, but not too bad really. There's not much to it. Throwaway badguy, meh plot, but Venom himself? Awesome. Looks great, looks even better in action, pretty effectively spooky voice, and has more of a sense of humor than I was expecting, Venom himself was kinda a snarky d*ck. Kinda reminded me of Venom from the 90's cartoon in that regard. Perfectly serviceable rental movie. Worth watching just for Venom himself if you're a fan of the character. It made money and they're talking sequel so hopefully they cobble together a more interesting story to stick Venom in.
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« Reply #670 on: January 09, 2019, 03:54:14 AM »
Yeah, I'd heard from a few people that Venom is one of those good "mind off, time wasting fun"/"so bad, it's good" type movies...
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« Reply #671 on: January 09, 2019, 05:56:47 AM »
Absolutely. It would be a great movie to just have on the tv in the background when it eventually comes to basic cable tv, while you're doing something else. Since I rented it to watch on the tv, that's pretty much what it is. Any time Venom itself isn't on screen, you can pretty much zone out and miss nothing of consequence.
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« Reply #672 on: January 11, 2019, 04:00:12 AM »
Wanted to respond to some minor things from SS' post.

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As for Eros... again, my biggest argument wasn't even necessarily his skin color, since you can just make him purple... while I leaned on the skintone thing as a barrier, my main point is WHY SHOW HIM AT ALL. The scene in question is THANOS using the Gauntlet to show his homeworld in it's former beauty. By all accounts, Thanos and Eros HATE each other. I cannot for the life of me see Thanos taking the time to include Eros in his recreation of his world's "paradise" when in the comics one of his first acts was to take off Eros' mouth. He would not be shown in Thanos' idea of paradise.

But let's set that aside, say for whatever reason Thanos included Eros. Be he purple or flesh tone, Eros is in the film. He exists. And... then what? Ok, some people will take it as just a cameo and a nod and wink to fans, but now you have those who don't speculating about this character. Who is he, why is he in this scene, does he factor into the film's resolution in some way. Including Eros in a scene where he has no logical reason for being there is a textbook Chekhov's gun (IE: something that grabs audience attention because the language of film has indicated it's important), and for them to include him and then not bring him back in later would be problematic, all for the sake of a character who has nothing to do with the story (and would in fact derail the whole "lose what I love most" theme we see with Gamora because why doesn't thanos love his brother etc.) and who is super problematic anyway given certain comic depictions of the character.

It's one thing to include cameos like Howard or like Stan Lee, but the way those scenes are presented is not the same as what you're describing with Eros: shoehorning a red-headed dude in the background of a scene he should not be in so that the general audience mistakes it for something potentially important. There is enough in IW without Eros, he isn't needed, and at best he'd warrant a "oh, that's neat" if he *was* included somehow. If we had an actual flashback, seeing Thanos' former home life or his confrontation with his world's leadership, something that has narrative purpose... I can see Eros showing up in the background of a scene like that. But IN INFINITY WAR Ero's inclusion would have been a distraction that served no other purpose than fanwankary, and I think they made the right call leaving him out.

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« Reply #673 on: January 29, 2019, 07:23:48 PM »
Oh, here's my late response to your late response:

I was being more hypothetical. When I talk about including Eros, I meant more in the nebulous sense of if the movie turned out a different way, or if Eros appeared in a later film. Not necessarily being included in the film we got.

Also, I once had a debate with a peer about whether non-comic fans would "accept" Vision. People seem chill with him In fact when Ultron came out it was literally the first thing I asked a buddy of mine:  "what did you think of Vision?" Turned out he was fine with it mostly because he likes Paul Bettany. I was happy with that answer. But of course YMMV.

Anyway, by stroke of luck and snap of finger, I ended up researching stuff about Avengers Endgame, and it has been confirmed - fake scenes are being filmed to keep people from figuring out the plot ahead of time. Oh ho ho - we're in the End Game now!

But, on a more concrete note, wait til you hear this crazyness.

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In any case, 3 more months till it comes out people!!!
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« Reply #674 on: January 30, 2019, 07:37:22 AM »
Speaking of missing brothers,we never see Balder either.
And that one is a bit harder to handwave with skintone. 😉
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« Reply #675 on: January 31, 2019, 06:36:21 AM »
Also, I once had a debate with a peer about whether non-comic fans would "accept" Vision. People seem chill with him In fact when Ultron came out it was literally the first thing I asked a buddy of mine:  "what did you think of Vision?" Turned out he was fine with it mostly because he likes Paul Bettany. I was happy with that answer. But of course YMMV.

Wait, why wouldn't people like Vision? Vision rules.
(spoken as a big Vision fan)
Vision in the movie is... eh, good enough, because it's Vision. They obviously weren't going to use his comic origin.
Will be watching the Vision/Scarlet Witch series though.

I digress. I legit don't know what's not to accept about a robot ghost in the world of crazy junk that is Avengers?


EDIT: By the way, I heard about this Loki series an this Vision/Scarlet Witch series and I'm like what? But purposefully I try to not read too much of the info before the movies come out. The plots to these movies are pretty thin and predictable, so at least not knowing every character first is nice. Like when
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Does that even need to be a spoiler? Was it even a secret? But when I saw it I was like, "Oh, awesome."
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« Reply #676 on: February 24, 2019, 05:49:03 AM »
Once upon a Deadpool.Added scenes are funny,but most of it we saw in the trailers.Actually the extended Nickleback joke from the trailer wasnt in the film.
-Wait,was that...Brad Pitt?
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« Reply #677 on: February 24, 2019, 11:23:51 PM »
Also, I once had a debate with a peer about whether non-comic fans would "accept" Vision. People seem chill with him In fact when Ultron came out it was literally the first thing I asked a buddy of mine:  "what did you think of Vision?" Turned out he was fine with it mostly because he likes Paul Bettany. I was happy with that answer. But of course YMMV.

Wait, why wouldn't people like Vision? Vision rules.

I digress. I legit don't know what's not to accept about a robot ghost in the world of crazy junk that is Avengers?

Yeah, the argument was that Vision was apparently too "out there". My response was "Iron Man has a robot suit, Vision is a robot man." It's not like the casual movie going audience isn't keen to the idea of robots in movies. They've had decades to get used to them.

Oh, speaking of weird stuff from the comics: The Kree Supreme Intelligence. I just saw the other day what they did for it in  the Captain Marvel movie. Wow, that might be the single biggest instance of the live action adaptations simplifying something comic book-esque from the source material. Though I did hear in an interview that they might do something a little more out there by the end of the movie that they didn't want to spoil.

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Goliath is in Ant Man & Wasp.
Does that even need to be a spoiler? Was it even a secret? But when I saw it I was like, "Oh, awesome."

Bill Foster? Nah, his casting was announced a good year or so before the film came out, and he was introduced in one of the trailers. To the comic fans it's neat, but to the movie goers he's just some guy Hank used to work with, played by Laurence Fishbourne. It's kinda like asking "Hey is that Luis guy in the comics?" (he made a background cameo in the most recent Ant-Man comic when it showed Scott in prison) Not exactly Howard the Duck.

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Once upon a Deadpool.Added scenes are funny,but most of it we saw in the trailers.Actually the extended Nickleback joke from the trailer wasnt in the film.
-Wait,was that...Brad Pitt?

Yep, I'm a little disappointed the Nickelback bit got trimmed down in the final film. It was funny.
I put it on the other day for a friend of mine and just fast forwarded to the Fred Savage scenes and they had him absolutely laughing out loud because of his familiarity with the Princess Bride, but honestly? There's some funny stuff in there. Poking fun at the plot and people's criticisms of it, joking about Cable's ridiculously elaborate comic book backstory. The whole bit about Brad Pitt and Matt Damon was way funnier than it had any right to be. Honestly, I know I'm not alone in wishing there was a lot more of the new material. I'd say I'd probably have gone for a whole movie of just that, but that might be pushing it.

I'd heard it might have been partially intended as a proof of concept in case Disney wanted to do a PG-13 Deadpool, but apparently Disney said they'd keep it R.

Oh, speaking of the Deadpool movies, I'm profoundly disappointed that the Blu-Ray releases for Deadpool and Deadpool 2 didn't include any of the many brilliant web promo videos that was a huge part of the franchise's marketing. It's especially frustrating when they used that awesome Bob Ross parody in the menu sequence for Deadpool 2: The Super Duper Cut but don't include it on the disc in its entirely. And also frustrating since the home releases for The Dark Knight, Serenity, Ant-Man and probably a bunch of other movies included their web promos (The Anchorman DVD included some similar skits) . I kinda wonder if it's a rights issues thing. But I would have really appreciated having all of those promos in one place alongside the films themselves.
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« Reply #678 on: February 25, 2019, 05:07:00 AM »
Fred: You got Cable? /Proceds to explain Cables backstory/
Deadpool: We... Got the time travel stuff.
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« Reply #679 on: March 08, 2019, 06:54:32 AM »
Alright. Just finished Captain Marvel. It was enjoyable. Actually threw me a few curveballs I didn't expect.

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« Reply #680 on: March 08, 2019, 08:19:20 AM »
Yeah, I really liked Captain Marvel, too. Here is some fan speculation about her powers.
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« Reply #681 on: March 09, 2019, 12:19:51 AM »
So I haven't seen it, but I have been following what's in the movie. So with that in mind...

Now that people are seeing the movie and talking about it....noone has anything to say about....

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« Reply #682 on: March 09, 2019, 09:23:40 AM »
So I haven't seen it, but I have been following what's in the movie. So with that in mind...

Now that people are seeing the movie and talking about it....noone has anything to say about....

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, it was kind of weak. Guess that's what makes it rather legendary.

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« Reply #683 on: March 09, 2019, 09:47:00 AM »
I actually guessed that one?  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #684 on: March 09, 2019, 10:35:11 AM »
SN: One of the first things I remembered from a comic book was Monica Rambeau's Captain Marvel back in the 80s.  And the one thing about her that continued to stick out to my attention was her hair and I just thought it was even more endearing to see the girls they had in the role reflect that.

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« Reply #685 on: March 09, 2019, 03:46:05 PM »
So I haven't seen it, but I have been following what's in the movie. So with that in mind...

Now that people are seeing the movie and talking about it....noone has anything to say about....

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I'm sorry, but considering Zemo, Strucker, Hitler, and all the other enemies Fury has had, this is stupid.

I know, this Fury didn't fight these characters, but still... it's like deciding that Orko from Masters of the Universe or Java from Metamorpho is an evil mastermind.

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« Reply #686 on: March 09, 2019, 04:11:10 PM »
Or revealing that Scrapy Doo is the villain of...Ok,Im not going there.

Oddly for this franchise,Nick Fury doesnt have an evil counterpart.
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« Reply #687 on: March 09, 2019, 06:37:18 PM »
Or revealing that Scrapy Doo is the villain of...Ok,Im not going there.

Oddly for this franchise,Nick Fury doesnt have an evil character.

Wait...you mean Scrappy Doo ISN'T a villain?!?!?!   :o
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« Reply #688 on: March 09, 2019, 08:21:03 PM »
Hm,annoying sidekick turning into a villain...there has got to be more examples...I mean there are lists,but Im not going to click 16 times to see the whole list.
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« Reply #689 on: March 10, 2019, 04:14:50 PM »
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Java from Metamorpho is an evil mastermind.

Did that one really happen?

Sadly, Sith Lord Jar Jar is not canon yet, last I checked.

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Oddly for this franchise,Nick Fury doesnt have an evil counterpart.

Some could argue Robert Redford from Winter Soldier was one. Little mundane compared to the comics, but eh.

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Hm,annoying sidekick turning into a villain...there has got to be more examples...

Does it have to be an change for an adaptation? Because otherwise I can think of a few more.
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