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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #780 on: June 11, 2019, 02:33:43 AM »
Yep, it's a shame.  After the excellent course correction of Days of Future Past, it's amazing that they managed to squander that good will.
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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #781 on: June 11, 2019, 06:27:48 AM »
Take or leave it but I spent the hard earned dollar to see Dark Phoenix and, noting those who know me know I tend to find the positive side of comic media, was a complete let down and I want a refund. Just a warning for anyone toying with the idea that it may appeal to them coming from an 80's up X-Men fan. If you want to watch Sophie Turner pretty much full stop you won't be disappointed otherwise it failed to deliver in any sense. I had to watch DOFP after just to get the taste out of my mouth and that taste was pretty funky. Sorry, and I love X-Men as much as I love Ninja Turtles and even managed to find redeeming qualities in X3 but just saying save your dollar and see Endgame again and watch this one when it comes out on television.

Sheesh, dude! Not sure if I'd go that hard! Ouch! Lol

Not gonna lie, I was disappointed with it too there were some entertaining parts..... but overall... that movie was nothing but a missed opportunity. I got one big question:

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But yeah. SA youre right about a lot of what you said. Can't say I want my money back. Was going to go anyway and I wasn't expecting much to begin with. Which is kinda unfortunate because despute the bad reviews i really like the prior ones dor the most part. Was happy Phoenix showed up to kill Apocalypse at the end. It could ha e only been that. Which it makes it so aggrivating that they screw this up. Again! Like how?

And I'm not sure if this counts as a spoiler but making a X-Men movie that takes place in the 90s and you DON'T give Storm long hair and a white costume? That was a layup! And you missed!
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Re: Marvel Movies
« Reply #782 on: June 11, 2019, 03:19:11 PM »
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« Reply #783 on: June 11, 2019, 04:46:44 PM »
I'd go that hard, it's numbers speak for it here. In their defense I know they encountered every problem they could in making this film and I think they were just honoring their contract here. My work ethic says don't do a job if I'm going to do it halfway but I know when you're union it's a matter then of not getting paid and not getting the next job from your union. That's irony of course because it's what happened with X3 as well. In fact they lost what, six or more months of production was it on that one?

Here's a better question for you then the Phoenix/Apocalypse one, where did the mansion come from? And I mean it was there down to the very doors, trim boards, furniture and decorations on the desks. No explanation either it was just there. Anyways they screwed it up because it doesn't work in film, the Dark Phoenix story is what I mean. Like Apocalypse. I liked that one but wasn't very deep but that's because the source material wasn't. It's just Apocalypse is powerful as all get and whoops on everyone without breaking a sweat. So that movie delivered. This thing had the stuff the source material did it just doesn't look as good off paper. Personally I would have went with something inspired by Fatal Attractions. Big Xavier and his kids Vs. Magneto and his people showdown. To me that would wrap the storyline since the first. Have it be a confrontation of the various character developments.

I'm also not critically let down. We've been spoiled as comic fans and gotten pretty much everything we wished for in film and then some. The problem of course is in some cases we got what we wished for and found out it wasn't that good of a thing. Also this means moving on. I'm looking forward to New Mutants and what Disney has planned for all this. Looking forward to seeing something new with it.

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« Reply #784 on: June 11, 2019, 06:50:53 PM »
I often pay to watch movies that differ from the source material, as I understand that there are limits to the format and things that work in comics that don't work in live action films. And, I often pay to watch movies that have some plot holes but are still mostly solid efforts and overall good entertainment. We were planning to see Dark Phoenix last weekend, but decided to put it off. I am now feeling lucky that we did. I am willing to wait (and pay less) to see a movie that is apparently thrown together, has massive plot holes, never decides what the actual challenge is, ignores things established just one movie ago, doesn't make use of things that made previous movies in the series fun, etc.

I mean, just as an example, why not have a Quicksilver scene? 1) They are fun to watch. 2) They lighten the mood. 3) It's fairly straightforward to waylay or dismiss the character somehow so that his obvious "win button" power isn't a factor in critical battles. 4) People have come to look forward to a slow-mo scene with him set to some classic music of the era. So, what the heck? Was it a decision specifically made to disappoint fans? "Here we have this thing that we have done in the last two movies and everyone loves it. Let's totally just drop it from our swan song."

Anyway, this whole thing is sort of a shame. Despite some shortcomings, I have generally enjoyed these X-Men movies. I know there is a pattern of making a series of movies and then rebooting them. But, if the movies are entertaining, I don't usually find myself waiting for the reboot while the last of the series is still in the theaters. I guess Fox has entered a new era of foreshadowing where they leave the fans longing for the reboot.  <_<

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« Reply #785 on: June 12, 2019, 03:56:06 AM »
Just watched Captain Marvel.

I'd say I enjoyed it more than I expected, or perhaps the same amount? Not even really sure. It's a MCU origin story, it's alright. Brie Larson's Captain Marvel was kinda half and half for me. Sometimes she's kinda aloof and subdued, sometimes she's kinda snarky, kinda like, almost every character in the MCU (except Thanos, obviously). But it definitely did a better job of selling the character than Endgame did. I found she and the movie were at their best during the buddy-cop stuff with Fury. Sam Jackson definitely stole the movie for me. Any time he was on screen I was paying attention. The Kree stuff I kinda went in and out. I got a bit distracted during the final end near the end, so I lost track of some of the characters, so I may have to go back and watch that part again or at least look up online what happened to specific characters.

The cat was cute, but somewhat underplayed, I could have gone for more of the cat.

I liked Jude Law, but I've liked him in other stuff so that wasn't a surprise. I'd heard Ben Mendohlson was good in this and I was not disappointed. He was kinda great.

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« Reply #786 on: June 12, 2019, 04:43:10 AM »
I liked CM as well. It had a hard time I think because it had to follow Infinity War so the bar was high. But I thought it was a straightforward action sci-fi flick. I was also an alterna-teen so a bit of appeal there. I also liked that they patched the plot holes revolving around SHIELD before going to Endgame with this. And it a had a cat that looks like mine so yeah, lol. Should Google the cats red carpet premier, that's fun to watch. Yeah the cat got to be up there on the stage next to Brie and everything, it mostly slept the whole time ha!

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« Reply #787 on: June 12, 2019, 06:15:36 AM »
Yeah, I'm a cat person. I totally watched a few minutes of the "Goose the Cat" livestream tonight.
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« Reply #788 on: June 12, 2019, 04:40:27 PM »
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« Reply #789 on: June 12, 2019, 05:09:22 PM »
Hello Peanut!  :lol:  He looks like our Fatty Bolger.  :)

Yeah, I liked the bits with the cat.  They were some of the more entertaining moments in the movie.  Of course, I'm also a cat person.  However, I'm also all that stands between my wife and her future as a crazy cat lady, so I fully expect that she will LOVE those bits when she sees the movie. 
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« Reply #790 on: June 12, 2019, 06:39:58 PM »
Ah, now, that's a handsome cat.

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« Reply #791 on: June 12, 2019, 06:47:28 PM »
Oh Peanut is obese or so the doctors say. He's just full I say.

I think the breakout performer in CM was Ben Mendelsohn. He brought all the charm to the film it needed. Just as I think Karen Gillan is the breakout in Endgame, award worthy and deserving of nothing but the big roles from here on out for Nebula if you ask me actually.

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« Reply #792 on: June 15, 2019, 01:14:46 AM »
This may be an unpopular opinion but I actually liked Captain Marvel better than Wonder Woman. I hate to have to compare the two but it's what it is. And as a movie, this just made more sense to me. The plotholes in WW were too glaring and they seemed to try to do too much. It was fine but I just found CM more satisfying ultimately.

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« Reply #793 on: June 15, 2019, 04:02:05 AM »
I still haven't seen WW, but CM was pretty sound, plot-wise, whatever is the case with the underwhelming portrayal of the main character. 

I thought the Honest Trailer was pretty much spot-on.  They even pointed out the cognitive dissonance I experienced between a de-aged Samuel L and watching him move.  :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIvhu_YNCJg

SA, I agree.  Mendelsohn was very surprising and enjoyable in that role.  He's what made that whole twist work for me.
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« Reply #794 on: June 15, 2019, 07:22:59 AM »
I liked it better as well. WW was all over the place, like Speed it was like watching several short movies in a row and seemed to jump from one thing to the next. I also felt Wonder Woman wasn't tested enough. Like she just walked through any trials waving her hand and pushing past anything. I like a character struggle in a story and them having to overcome a battle internally as well externally, I think it defines a heroic moment.

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« Reply #795 on: June 15, 2019, 11:03:52 AM »
Interesting. I'd certainly agree that WW didn't really seem to meet her match in terms of opponents. But, she was challenged by circumstances and was unable to save the day on at least two significant occasions. Anyway, it's a fair criticism of WW that her actual combat opponents were not a match for her.

That said, if we are comparing, CM had that problem ten times over. She easily bowled over any opponent she came across, and that's before she "unlocked her true power". By the end of the movie, I was wondering whether any of the other Avengers would even be needed for End Game, since she could likely fight Thanos to a standstill on her own. And, apparently, I wasn't alone, since End Game arranged things so that Captain Win Button was conveniently absent for the vast majority of the movie's combat.

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« Reply #796 on: June 16, 2019, 12:19:30 AM »
I thought the Honest Trailer was pretty much spot-on.  They even pointed out the cognitive dissonance I experienced between a de-aged Samuel L and watching him move.  :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIvhu_YNCJg

I saw that Honest Trailer too and I remember that bit with Samuel L. I watched reviews for the flick by a few other content creators I watched and couldn't remember who made that observation until now. Fortunately, I'm no expert at pointing out dodgy CGI so I never noticed that bit about Fury until they pointed it out. On the other hand, I could spot the shots where the cat was CGI like a champ.  :lol:
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« Reply #797 on: June 16, 2019, 01:50:37 AM »
Haha, SS, I saw it pretty immediately.  He LOOKED like a young man, but he MOVED like an old man.  It's just one of those things that we process subconsciously.

Stumpy, yeah, like I said before, CM's power level is a major problem for the MCU.
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« Reply #798 on: June 16, 2019, 08:09:21 AM »
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« Reply #799 on: June 16, 2019, 01:21:46 PM »
.........maybe.  :lol:
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« Reply #800 on: June 17, 2019, 07:33:02 AM »
@stumpy: No, I meant tested as a person, the traditional storytelling mechanism of introducing the conflict to make the protagonist work for it thus to the rising action into the climax. WW was pretty at the climax from the word go. I would have more enjoyed a film say just about her exploits on the island and struggle with being an individual among her people say. Or becoming immediately and completely nonplussed by the world of man to the point of existential crisis. CM had a bit more to work out here given her life and memories of it was a lie. Who are the good guys and the bad was the test and the result whom she would chose to be. WW didn't seem very involved in her environment, again I think more because it jumped from setting and story to setting and story. It's hard to get at the heart of a character when it's structured like that. I did like it though, good popcorn thrill ride movie and she looked awesome. But I didn't walk away contemplating what I watched. I ain't saying CM is Endgame either but scifi and grounded people stories just appeal to me more personally. It just had more character. Funny off topic bit, part of CM took place in view of my front yard but was actually filmed in California and I could see the differences in the fauna. 

And yeah, I'm projecting the mythology I know but what I described is the crux of the Greek pantheon and really would have made it more compelling and touching as a story. Big battle stories are fun mind you but I more read comics for the characters, not the wars.
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« Reply #801 on: June 17, 2019, 07:46:41 AM »
Okay add to fact I grew up an alterna-teen and own everything by Trent Reznor. Strawberry ice cream, mint chocolate chip. You know how it is.

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« Reply #802 on: June 17, 2019, 01:51:19 PM »
Not really familiar with Trent Reznor, but I do love mint chocolate chip. Always been a fan of mint flavored stuff.
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« Reply #803 on: June 17, 2019, 02:59:38 PM »
SS: Trent Reznor equals Nine Inch Nails post Cobain.

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« Reply #804 on: June 17, 2019, 03:18:06 PM »
Well, that's one of the reasons you're an oddball....  ;)
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« Reply #805 on: June 17, 2019, 03:32:26 PM »
...and people wonder why I drink like ten fish....
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« Reply #806 on: June 17, 2019, 04:41:17 PM »
10 fish, does that equal one drunk Aquaman?
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« Reply #807 on: June 17, 2019, 05:48:15 PM »
@DJ: Claypool is top ten for me and I've always been an oddball, called that by name. I is what I is, expecting normalcy from me is only setting oneself up for disappointment.

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« Reply #808 on: June 17, 2019, 10:04:09 PM »
@DJ: Claypool is top ten for me and I've always been an oddball, called that by name. I is what I is, expecting normalcy from me is only setting oneself up for disappointment.

I'll give you Claypool then....but his recent one with Lennon's kid is...odd.  And I've never been called odd, usually more not so family friendly names that epitomize weird, odd, and strange.....


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« Reply #809 on: June 18, 2019, 01:01:57 AM »
Haha!  Sorry DJ, it's official now.  You drink as much as one Aquaman.  :lol:

So guys, I know this is super out of date at this point, but I've been going through some of those Pitch Meeting videos, and I just watched the Thor: Ragnarok one.  It's hilariuos and a pretty much perfect send-up of everything wrong with that movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kl4cVc5Dw

I feel somewhat vindicated. 
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