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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #120 on: March 14, 2018, 10:12:42 AM »
I caught Batman and Harley Quinn on tv the other night. Well that was a thing.

It was an odd movie for sure. Half the time it's played serious, half the time straight up comedy, Batman and Nightwing don't have much to do in general except be comedic foils to Harley's antics, and the story looks and feels a lot like a half hour episode of Batman TAS stretched out into 74 minutes by padding the hell out of certain scenes such as the chase scene, the music and dance number, a death of a minor supporting character, and a post-credits scene. Having finally seen the infamous ending, I can say it is indeed random, bizarre and anti-climatic. On a positive, I agree with the earlier post that praised the action scenes, they were indeed quite good.
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« Reply #121 on: April 22, 2018, 11:47:48 AM »
Suicide Squad Hell to Pay.Somewhat based on a Secret Six story.Its not that great even by the standard of trashy action movies.
It has a few good character moments,and nice action scenes,but old problems are still around,and CW publicity and trying too hard to be mature doesnt really help.
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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #122 on: April 23, 2018, 08:47:08 AM »
I give them a fair amount of credit for actually giving some insight into the character of Bronze Tiger, probably the best adaptation of the character outside the comics, where he's usually just "Martial Arts Thug".
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« Reply #123 on: April 23, 2018, 12:18:02 PM »
I agree there.
Also,I found Copperhead to be pretty interesting.Mostly because we dont see him that often.
On the other hand,Im really tired of Killer Frost,Harley and Deadshot.And Deathstroke,but thats a different movie.With a weird apperence of Kevin Smith. 🤔
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« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2018, 08:06:04 PM »
Justice League Dark is a valiant effort at adapting the magic side of DC,but once again N52 looks and a not-so-good voice cast don't do it any favors.At least,it was an honest attempt,which is more then I can say for a lot of their other films since JL War onward.
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« Reply #125 on: June 01, 2018, 07:38:12 PM »
Batman and Harley Quinn Remember Batman The Animated Series?Well,lets revisit that.And add some adult humor because we really want to be Deadpool.And lets get Kevin Conroy to phone in this one.
I could rant a lot about this one,but in the end,as a lot of people pointed out- an episode of New Adventures of Batman did it better in 20 minutes,20 years ago.
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« Reply #126 on: June 01, 2018, 08:38:39 PM »
Everything I heard about that movie made me deeply, deeply sad.
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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #127 on: June 21, 2018, 06:18:35 AM »
So apparently Death of Superman has leaked online...

Anyone take a gander?

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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #128 on: June 21, 2018, 11:14:11 PM »
Umm....no, I don't do that. I'm not a fan of piracy in general. I'll give it a digital rental when it comes out. I imagine if there's anything particularly interesting in it the comic news sites will spoil it like they did The Killing Joke so I'll likely hear of it there first.
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« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2018, 01:10:09 AM »
Just finished watching this. I thought it was pretty decent. Not amazing, but not bad. I liked the connections to the previous animated movies in the same set. Rainn Wilson as Luthor was alright, not great, a little too light-sounding than I prefer my Luthors, but he did sound kinda similar to James Woods from Justice League Action who I got used to with time. It is a more faithful adaptation than Superman Doomsday, with the League being used in a very similar way to the JLA roster from the 90's storyline.

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Cress Williams (Black Lightning) voices John Henry Irons (he previously cameod in Throne of Atlantis voiced by Khary Payton), Patrick Fabian from Better Call Saul voices Hank Henshaw, and while we don't hear him in this film, Cameron Monaghan (Jerome/Joker from Gotham) is going to voice Superboy.
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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #130 on: October 31, 2018, 04:55:15 AM »
An update on the upcoming followup Reign of the Supermen film. We've gotten a few trailers so far, animation looks a little iffy but it's still neat to see these characters in a movie. I'm disappointed that so far (to my knowledge) we still haven't heard Cameron Monaghan as Superboy since I've loved his Joker on Gotham and I really want to see how he does Superboy (for the record, what we do know is Superboy is going to reimagined as a "modern" young celebrity, social media exposure and all. Which is fair, because when Connor was introduced in the 90's comics he was a Booster Gold style glory hound through and through. Or, to go closer to home, he's basically the Ultimen from JLU. There is a gag in the movie I read about that was shown at comic con involving Superboy that was so funny and perfect I literally burst into laughter:

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Anyways, I just finished watching Teen Titans Go the Movies. Honestly? I kinda loved it. Some jokes were low brow duds (times like this I question if fart jokes have ever been unironically funny in any context) but the various cameos, callbacks and references were fun (for example, Miss Martian and Artemis can bee seen in the superhero group shots) and some of the jokes, predictably and not particularly fresh as they were, got a legit laugh from me, such as:

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Will Arnett was great as Slade of course. While I thought the casting an odd choice when I first learned of it honestly, I don't think Ron Pearlman from the original series would have done as good a job doing this material. Kristin Bell was also quite good as the movie director. Nicholas Cage as Superman (!!!) was fine performance-wise (he has 2 or 3 lines, tops) but his voice, unsurprisingly doesn't really match the character. Ditto Wonder Woman.

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« Reply #131 on: January 29, 2019, 12:00:55 PM »
I just watched Reign of the Supermen!

Disappointing, but not soul-crushingly so. It's a textbook example of what's wrong with some of these post-Flashpoint/New 52 DC Animated movies: they should be better, but for some reason aren't. I don't know what it is, but I think they need better writers. They feel flat. Characters, character arcs, plot points, plot twists, big moments, should have more weight but feel flat. The joke about GL sniping Superboy wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. I guess it's just the old effect where some jokes are funniest the first time you hear it. I think Conroy would have sold the joke better myself.

Nathan Fillion's GL got a great one-liner at the end of the movie though. The post credit scene made me VERY happy.

The rest of the movie? Eh, I dunno. It's definitely an accurate adaptation of the 90's storyline. Between this and the previous film, if there's a big moment or character from the Death and Return of the Superman storyline you wanted to make it into the movie, chances are they're in it. It's a MUCH more accurate adaptation than Superman Doomsday (haven't decided yet which is a better movie. I'm tempted to say Doomsday, if for no other reason than Adam Baldwin as evil Superd*ckery Superman, James Marsters as creepy jilted ex-lover Lex Luthor, and John Dimaggio as creepy child kidnapper Toyman)

Anyway, Reign has some changes and plot twists that allow people familiar with the comic storyline and other adaptations to be surprised, and feels like it's got some legit payoff for this long string of movies MCU style, but the big moments and reveals should be a huge effing deal and instead land with a resounding "oh, ok." On the other hand, it has Wonder Woman making what sounds like some playful references to her being bisexual and Superman referencing a memorable George Costansta bit from Seinfeld, so that's something.

Voice wise, it's a very passable film. Nobody's bad, but nobody really stands out. It's still kinda neat that Howard Hamlin from Better Call Saul is Hank Henshaw but I'm unclear as whether Cyborg Superman was voiced by him or Superman actor Jerry O'Connell. The credits don't make it clear, online sources are conflicting, and the character has a noticeable digital effect over his voice. Gotham's Cameron Monaghan is pretty much unrecognizable as Superboy, and he does a pretty good job. He reminded me a bit of Young Justice's Kid Flash. Black Lightning actor Cress Williams is Steel and he's decent, but not as good as when he plays Jefferson Pierce/Black Lightning on live action tv. And Chloe Sullivan from Smallville makes a cameo at the beginning of the movie at the Daily Planet, looking and sounding exactly like Irma from the 2012 TMNT (she isn't credited, and only has one line, but sounded like Kate Miccuci, who voiced Irma and several versions of Velma from Scooby Doo). I wonder if they changed her to not resembled Allison Mack? And I appreciate that a certain pre-established character who shows up later in the show got a much needed recasting.

The Justice League has a little more involvement in this than I was expecting, which makes it seem a bit like Captain America: Civil War. Also I keep forgetting this, but it's really weird that this iteration of the DC Universe has introduced the Connor Kent Superboy before Supergirl (though we don't know that for sure, since some heroes in this universe show up already having become superheroes, like the Teen Titans or Nightwing) I would guess it won't be long before a Rebirth/Arrowverse inspired Supergirl appears in a future film.

Now as for that post credit scene:

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« Reply #132 on: February 18, 2019, 04:41:49 PM »
Next Batman movie is s crossover with TMNT.Really. 😀
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« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2019, 02:47:14 AM »
Yeah, that was surprising to hear. They've said it will be based on the first crossover miniseries, which could be cool. Nick is also doing another TMNT animated movie on Netflix. I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen more animated TMNT films, seems like it would have been a no brainer.

I'll say this, we haven't seen a Batman/TMNT crossover movie before. We've seen many different iterations of the two separate groups though.

Not sure I dig the character designs. The Batman characters look ok I guess, but the TMNT look a bit ugly. They kinda look like someone trying to do Santaloucco's art from the IDW comics but not able to pull it off. \

Also, this movie makes the landmark moment where Troy Baker voices both Batman and the Joker in the same thing. I was thinking a while back that it was only a matter of time before that happened.
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« Reply #134 on: May 08, 2019, 05:05:14 PM »
Okay, I just saw that DC is doing a "Showcase" collection with a bunch of short films:
http://majorspoilers.com/2019/05/08/warner-bros-announces-new-dc-showcase-animated-shorts/

These include Sgt. Rock and the Creature Commandos, Adam Strange, Death of the Endless, and the Phantom Stranger.  Now, that is a really cool list of characters, and it is great seeing DC explore some of these less-traveled corners of their universe.  Most of the blurbs sound pretty interesting, though I am already feeling my eyes roll about the Adam Strange one.  Heaven forbid we get a straight adaptation of a heroic character.  No, he's got to be a burnt-out drunk who USED to be someone.  Heroes!  That's particularly silly, because it isn't like Adam Strange has had a lot of shots at the limelight.

In general though, I think this is pretty cool.
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« Reply #135 on: May 08, 2019, 05:12:25 PM »
Eh,people like old (super)heroes I guess.
And I guess they are going for sort of a space western.
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« Reply #136 on: May 08, 2019, 05:21:13 PM »
You know, they did the same thing with Aquaman in that deplorable JL: Throne of Atlantis adaptation.  It's like the hacks who are writing these things can't conceive of a character arc that doesn't start at 'drunken loser' or 'wash out.'  You know, there are other types of arcs!
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« Reply #137 on: May 08, 2019, 05:34:28 PM »
Yeah,that was a thing.
I think they are all taking inspiration from the same thing.Who the hell even did it first?

But Sgt Rock voiced by Karl Urban,that I can live with with.
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« Reply #138 on: May 08, 2019, 06:03:21 PM »
Indeed.  He's a great choice, and I am certainly curious about them combining Sgt. Rock and the Creature Commandos.
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« Reply #139 on: May 08, 2019, 06:21:17 PM »
Im not all that familiar with CC so I cant really say.But DC branching outside of superhero genre,that I welcome in general.
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« Reply #140 on: June 05, 2019, 12:15:55 AM »
Just watched Batman Vs the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  Really enjoyed it. Lord knows it's better than the current, more kid-oriented Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which is, IMO, the worst (non-live action, at least) incarnation of the franchise by a wide margin.

Animation wasn't the greatest, but the fights were pretty ballin'. Baxter Stockman was, once again, a complete joke (even more than usual). Voice cast was decent, though I wasn't entirely happy with the voice for Robin (Damien Wayne) but everything else about him was on point. They only briefly acknowledge his status as Bruce's son though.

Fair warning to parents: this one's not for kids. On par with many other DC animated movies, it's got blood, stabbings, broken bones, severed limbs and tastefully done decapitations. Not frequent, but still present. Mild swearing as well.

Also, the end credits? Brilliant! There's also a really nifty post-credit scene.

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« Reply #141 on: June 05, 2019, 02:43:48 AM »
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.
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« Reply #142 on: June 05, 2019, 03:22:47 AM »
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.

Kids don't have money.  30+ year old comic book nerds have money.  I'm sure that's as far as their logic went on that one.
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« Reply #143 on: June 05, 2019, 12:02:05 PM »
So I'm going to play half-and-half devil's advocate.

So on the one hand - this is an adaptation of the comic book. Now I don't recall the comic having this level of violence in it, but the TMNT comics that are not spun off from the animated shows have been more adult oriented and more violent. And also the comic was written by James Tynion, who heavily worked with Scott Snyder on Batman, Batman Eternal, and Batman & Robin Eternal. I kinda consider anything Batman he writes to be an extension of Scott Snyder's Batman, and that run featured, among other things, the infamous stapled-on Joker face.

In addition to that - if I'm being fair 1. The 2003 TMNT wasn't that different in that regard except for the blood (and there's not a lot of blood, but there is blood) and swearing. Then again, the one decapitation in that show was revealed to be that of a robot body by the end of the same episode. 2. The 2012 features a decapitation of a real flesh and blood person (though the visualization of that was somewhat censored for the final episode as aired, as an artist who worked on the show revealed on social media). And, minus the blood, it's not that worse than Star Wars The Clone Wars. Then again, I used to joke that Clone Wars was the most ruthless cartoon on tv at the time. Also, the first live action TMNT had the Turtles say "Damn".

For the record, I also read that Nick had at least one notable mandate - that none of the voice actors from the current cartoons play the same character in this movie. Which I actually kinda understand, it helps make it clear this is a different iteration of TMNT.

On the other hand - this is an animated TMNT and in the world of animated TMNT, that's something for the kids, and it's going to reach a wider audience. And you could have told the exact same story without any of the violence I mentioned, or the two or three instances of mild swearing, and it would have been pretty much the same, and just as good. I mean, I enjoyed seeing those elements, but I'm a morbid mofo and that's not an indication of actual quality. As I like to say, dark is not good - good is good.

The movie also features Bane mentioning having broken the Bat - something I don't think he's ever done in an iteration of Batman aimed specifically at kids - and the death of Jason Todd gets mentioned - which also does not exist outside of non-kid friendly shows.

I mean, let's not mince words - DC loves them the grimdark and "adult" content. These are the guys who brought back Young Justice and added R-rated violence, political intrigue and extra sexual innuendo (and the Suicide Squad are showing up in the second half - then again, they showed up in JLU too...). And who are now doing R-rated live action superhero shows (with both f-bombs and nudity) on their streaming service. Mind you I'm straying off topic here...

Coming back full circle - there was also a pretty good (IMO) comic book crossover between Batman TAS and the 2012 TMNT cartoon. That would have had an awesome animated movie in its own right. I mean, heck, it would have been even better as a animated movie because then it presumably would have had Conroy and Hamill coming back to do Batman and Joker, and the cast of the 2012 TMNT to do their roles again. And the animation would have been really easily to nail since it was already made to look like the cartoons. And it being TAS, the older fans of Batman TAS probably would have eaten it up (just maybe not let Bruce Timm have any influence on the story - you never know, he might sex it up :P)
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Re: DC animated original movies
« Reply #144 on: June 11, 2019, 05:03:31 PM »
What the heck?  What the freaking heck?  How stupid is DC?  How do you make TMNT vs. Batman and not make it kid friendly?  Do they dislike money and positive press?  I can't imagine a kid who WOULDN'T think that was awesome.

Kids don't have money.  30+ year old comic book nerds have money.  I'm sure that's as far as their logic went on that one.

I hope not else they need fire those people. I used to work selling toys and the number one buyer for children is moms but the takeaway is the content is based on what kids jump up and down for. I mean the money comes from moms. Comic book nerds, yes us, do not factor in when it comes to film productions from companies like WB or Disney. I know that's a hard pill but it's just math. People who actually both read and buy printed comics are a minority of the world population, stunningly thus can't justify the money put into any feature film, that money being a film must make 200%+ it's initial investment before it's considered to make a profit. Like a house. You have to first make the money you're in the negative that you spent on it. Then try and sell it for the same value and past that is a profit turned. Just saying though demographics here more moms are less against violence then one would think, look at Into The Spider-verse for example. The current generation is made up primarily by moms who grew up with violent movies and as youth protested the parents groups that would censor works for children.

That said I haven't watched it, it's sitting on the shelf but I haven't made time to give it my complete attention so we'll see. But my love of both of these franchises did come from origins that were also violent, the grim and grit era it was called, or at least violent for the day so perhaps. Added I haven't seen much of the current Batman animated stuff but know the source material and bet kids are seeing more mature stuff then I did as a child there but have seen Turtles, noting Fox Kids to Nick and those shows were more violent and mature then the stuff I grew up with by miles. A much harder to swallow pill here and believe me, my little niece is sixteen now...oy, right in the migraine, kids today are grown in a different climate. Video games without labels on them but more the internet. The internet where in most cases they have to present themselves as eighteen years old and/or are presumed as such and chat with raging blunt adults and see content we would have grounded for months had our parents ever caught us looking at. They're just much more inundated to it all they were in spite of the ill of that statement and much, much more difficult to impress and shock.

@Silver Shocker: Exactly. Oh hey when I saw the original live TMNT film in the theater, opening day with all my friends and we danced in a line to the Putzers advert them of course, I remember the " damn " and seeing a mom take her son out of the theater with her hands over his ears. That poor boy, he probably needed therapy for life over missing the Ninja Turtles film lol.



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