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Offline BentonGrey

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #180 on: October 18, 2018, 10:31:35 PM »
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #181 on: October 19, 2018, 12:28:57 AM »
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.

Supergirl's Superman is all of those things.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #182 on: October 20, 2018, 03:36:34 AM »
They'd need to fix that costume, though.  Like, pull the Christopher Reeves one out of mothballs.  Unless they've fixed it in the year+ I'm behind on the show.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #183 on: October 20, 2018, 04:15:12 AM »
I mean, if anything I'd prefer the Dean Cain costume (I prefer the deeper, shiny blue) but honestly... I've said this about the design before, but if we MUST have a Superman design devoid of the trunks, it's probably the best design I've seen without them.

First, it doesn't pretend it's some form of bizarre kryptonian armor/under armor the way both MoS and the original N52 design did, and instead looks more like general athletic gear, adding some detail but not so much that it's distracting. Second, it uses a thick red belt to break up the design in the same way the trunks used to, but still incorporates just enough gold that it's not out of balance the way the all red belt left the N52 Superman design. Third, I like the addition of the cape clasps... in another design they'd be a bit much (they did something akin to it with Injustice 2 Superman and... mehhhhh) but I think they work with Hoechlin's outfit because it brings back some of the gold/yellow we lose by having to make the belt red.

Really, my only major beef with the design is the boots. Superman's boots should have the divot in the front, the "M" to pair with the outfit's iconic "S". A lot of artists and designers either forget that or leave it out because it's too "silly" but I really do feel like it's an important element of the costume and it annoys me when it's not present.

But going back to the earlier discussion... I agree 100% with cat. It'd still be a CW show, so I'm sure there'd be the typical ZOMG DRAMA that the other shows fall into... but Tyler's Superman and Clark Kent have been pretty anti-Snyder in terms of what Superman stands for, in the best way. Supergirl may have some issues, but the Superman bits have been some of the biggest highlights and honestly do feel like they're ripped straight from the Reeves era.

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #184 on: October 20, 2018, 05:17:09 PM »
Yeah...he needs the trunks.  No Superman design is complete without the trunks.  I wonder if there's any hope to be found in the comics' return to trunks.

But otherwise, that all sounds hopeful.  I'd actually watch a DC TV show in that case, and that's saying something.  Heck, I think a classic-flavored Superman show is EXACTLY what the world needs right now.  Some hope and optimism would be very welcome.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2018, 08:12:38 PM »
The problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason... But we're now 70 years past that being a thing, and it makes literally no sense for a hero coming into existence now to have them. You could excuse it even into the 90s by saying that it was Ma and Pa Kent harkoning back to their childhood, but at this point unless they're 80+ that's not really plausible either. They're such a joke outside the fan community that it's hard to justify in mainstream media. We looked at it sideways in my generation, and the further we get from the source of the inspiration the worse it's going to go.

That said, from a purely aethetic perspective, their absence is notable, moreso than any other superhero, and that's a problem. I feel like no one's really come up with a good alternative like we've seen in the case of every other hero who used to wear the trunks. Part of that is this obsession with adding the red into his belt and thinking that's enough, but I also feel like no one has a handle on the red/gold balance when they do that. I wish they'd try something like the Marvel did with Wolverine's outfit in the Whedon/Cassidy Astonishing era, thereby leaving the belt alone and adding the red in some other way.

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2018, 10:16:46 PM »
The problem is that the red trunks break up the blue. They quit making sense a long time ago, but without them he still looks funny. Part of that is tradition, part of it is that they are now a design element. I find it amusing that during the New 52 Superman most of the DC Superman related products had trunks. They removed Batman's trunks a few years back, and they returned.

This coming from a guy whose avatar has neither belt nor trunks; It's more of a leotard and tights kind of thing.

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #187 on: October 23, 2018, 07:28:57 AM »
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.

Supergirl's Superman is all of those things.

Indeed, from, I think, the very first episode he appeared, it was a common observation that the CW Supergirl's Superman is a better Superman than the one on the big screen at the time.

I'm not sure if that translates to needing his own show, but it could work. Fleshing out the character and giving the actor more material to work with might be just the thing to make the enterprise worthwhile. Though my concern is that a Superman and Supergirl show on tv at the same time could be redundant. Supergirl was already doing the tights AND the flights better in its first episode or so than Smallville was in, what was it, 11 seasons? So if you stripped out all the gender and social issues-themed show (which is a pretty part of Supergirl's focus) then you'd either have to focus more on those tights, flights and superhero fights (which they probably don't have the budget for, see Firestorm over in Legends of Tomorrow, or the many recycled shots of Barry running in Flash), do, basically Smallville all over again (does anyone want that?) or come up with someone to fill in the gap, like romance/relationship stuff with Lois Lane (Lois and Clark?)

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Yeah...he needs the trunks.  No Superman design is complete without the trunks.  I wonder if there's any hope to be found in the comics' return to trunks.

Well, Bendis made fun of Superman "wearing his undies on the outside of his pants" in the very first Superman story he wrote, despite DC's big marketing push to bring them back leading up to him taking over the book, thus undercutting that whole decision, so I wouldn't get too optimistic.

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The problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason...

The same thing applies to capes...superheroes originally wore capes because wrestlers wore different color capes so the audience members way in the back rows could tell who was who in the ring. So by that logic Supes should be ditching the cape too. (funny enough Magneto ditched the cape in Iron Man Armored Adventures so the animators wouldn't have to animate it....I better not give the Superman people any ideas).
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #188 on: October 23, 2018, 08:38:23 AM »
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

It COULD work,but we said the same thing about Gotham and Krypton and...pretty much everything else.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #189 on: October 24, 2018, 03:21:37 AM »

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The problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason...

The same thing applies to capes...superheroes originally wore capes because wrestlers wore different color capes so the audience members way in the back rows could tell who was who in the ring. So by that logic Supes should be ditching the cape too. (funny enough Magneto ditched the cape in Iron Man Armored Adventures so the animators wouldn't have to animate it....I better not give the Superman people any ideas).

Well.  Learn something new everyday I suppose.  I assumed it was more functional than fashionable.  At least in Batman's case they've given in a function that not only it makes sense, but quite necessary. However, i would also argue that in some media I've seen(IE Scyfy's Krypton) capes are apparently Kryptonian fashion.  Maybe less so with the trunks, which whether it's fashion or historical, just looks a bit dated these days.  At least IMO.

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #190 on: October 24, 2018, 08:39:48 PM »
The cape serves multiple artistic functions. Beyond just subtly harkoning back to cloaks of mideaval fantasy, the cape allows artists and filmmakers to show more dynamic movement, specifically regarding flight (which is kinda important for Superman). It's also an easy way to avoid having to draw the human body from some more awkward angles.

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« Reply #191 on: October 24, 2018, 10:59:08 PM »
Well, the thing is that capes have no modern negative association.  In fact they are associated mostly with superheroes anyway.  People think superhero, they think capes.

The trunks, on the other hand, resemble undies, and that is what people associate them with.  People make fun of superman because he "wears his underwear on the outside." That is a negative association, so that's why it makes sense to get rid of, not just because it's an obsolete reference.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #192 on: October 29, 2018, 03:47:49 AM »
I've been watching stuff about Flash season 5 and I don't think Nora is as much of a rookie as she makes herself out to be - we saw her doing Speed Force language/calculations last season. I think she's trying to subtly manipulate the timeline to either prevent Barry's disappearance or to make sure he comes back. A speedster doesn't just travel back in time to meet dad and pick up a few pointers.
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