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Offline Silver Shocker

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #300 on: November 11, 2019, 12:47:55 AM »
So our buddy Zach Snyder is back in the headlines lately, still talking about Justice League (I know, I know, but hear me out, this one's preeeety cool) We've heard about the mythical "Snyder Cut" and I talked about it at length earlier in this thread. But recently Snyder put out storyboards proving that Harry Lennix's military general character from Man of Steel (who was also in Batman V Superman as the U.S. Secretary of Defense).....was The Martian Manhunter the whole time!!!  :o

WHAAAAAAA?! [[apparently it was fan theory going all the way back to Man of Steel's release]

Did David S. Goyer know about this?  :blink: And according to Snyder, he filmed ALL the scenes with MM, except the stuff with Lennix. So you all remember that "Unite the Seven" buisiness? The seventh JL member was in these movies the whole time and we never knew?!!

The storyboard also reveals that he was in the movie pretending to be Martha Kent, talking to Lois. And since that scene IS in the released version, Martian Manhunter technically is in the movie.

Then again....that does raise a question as to why he was discouraging Lois from "putting back [Superman's] halo" in BVS.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #301 on: April 22, 2020, 11:26:53 PM »
Getting back to a topic that started....over two years ago?  :o Wow, where did the time go?

All-time great versions of Lex Luthor. Specifically, Superman: Red Son. I've finally started reading it because I wanted to read it before I watched the animated movie.

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I haven't read those new stories, SS, but I do love Luthor as a hero, albeit a very flawed one.  I think my all-time favorite Lex Luthor story may be Superman: Red Son.

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Man, I really gotta read Red Son sometime, especially since a rumor hit recently that DC may be making an animated film adaptation of it.

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You definitely do.  It's really quite good, and the Luthor portrayal by itself makes it worthwhile.

Well, I'm on the opening scene with Lex, and after reading the first three panels featuring the character, my response was literally "This is one of the greatest versions of Lex Luthor I've ever seen."
I don't buy for a second that any non-powered human would be as smart as him in real life, but he totally comes off as the coolest guy ever. He makes Tony Stark look like a loser.

Also the bit with his winning multiple chess games in a row was portrayed on-screen in one of his earlier appearances on the Supergirl Tv series, which makes sense, as that story arc featured a Supergirl version of Red Son Superman called Red Daughter.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #302 on: April 26, 2020, 10:42:47 PM »
Nice!  It's a good story, but it's a great take on Lex.  His last scene is actually the clearest distillation of the character to me.  I always think of that when I think of Lex.  I hope you continue to enjoy it!
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #303 on: May 19, 2020, 02:19:51 PM »
Just finished it. Pretty good story, but yeah, Lex was great in it. But boy did that ending lay it on thick...and then got really weird!

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #304 on: May 19, 2020, 03:47:14 PM »
Yeah, that ending for him is perfect.  He saves the world, becomes adored hero he always wanted to be...but what REALLY mattered to him was proving that he was better than the alien.  :lol:
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #305 on: May 20, 2020, 03:35:44 AM »
So, having heard good things about Darkseid War, I made a day of watching through any I had not seen via DC Universe, then watching Darkseid War. I haven't always been a fan of the "DCAMU" but I liked both the Titans movies, and there have been gems and fun moments along the way.

However, personally, I hate this film and everything it stands for.

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« Reply #306 on: May 20, 2020, 11:01:24 PM »
Interesting, 'Mato.  I have no love or affection for those movies, really, and you know my feelings on blank-slatting things.  Of course, that only works if you're prepared to fix the problems that messed things up in the first place, which I've got no reason to assume that they are.  Of course, the only movies of that bunch I've seen have been actively bad or tremendously flawed.  I did see a bit of Death of Superman, which didn't look too bad, but not enough to have a real opinion.  Throne of Atlantis was a real mess.  :P
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #307 on: May 23, 2020, 02:11:16 AM »
[SS sees the "SS Signal" in the sky, does the Micheal Keaton pose]

Watched Red Son. Not too bad, but one of many instances of the book being better.

It's a middle ground between super-faithful DC adaptations (Year One, DKR) and loose adaptations (pretty much everything else they've done). Some scenes, like Superman's confrontation with Batman and the dance with WW, are almost identical. While other stuff is completely different.

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On to...sigh...On to Justice League Dark: Apokalypse War (long title). Well, Tomato, if it makes you feel any better.....I hated it too.  :(

Well, Zack Sydner's Justice League came out early. I mean, I see DC finally made an animated movie of Future's End...I mean, I see DC's still ripping off Marvel by ripping off Endgame again...I could go on all day.

Well on the plus side, Matt Ryan as John Contantine is as excellent as ever. It's bizarre that he gets top billing in the big finale to the DC Animated Movie universe (apparently it starring Constantine and Raven makes it "Justice League Dark"), but oh well. I was also happy to see Damien and Raven again, and Lady Shiva popping up was neat.

And the "Fight Club" sequence is pretty much the best scene in the movie. 

In general, if you've seen all the other movies in this set (as I have), it is kinda neat to see all these different characters pop up again. Like IW/Endgame. Of course, not nearly as good, but oh well.

On the other hand...well, this is the most R-Rated DC movie that ever R-Rated. The violence in this movie is very gratiuitious, and we even have Raven of all people delivering an F-Bomb. That was surprising.

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This is a perfect time for me to once again reiterate: Dark is not good. Good is good.

While we're on the topic of the DCAU animated movies in general, I wrote a review of Justice League vs the Fatal Five back when it came out, but didn't end up posting it. That was a pretty fun movie.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #308 on: May 23, 2020, 02:34:52 AM »
What floors me SS, is that you bring him up... but this was likely written alongside Doomsday Clock, written by Geoff Johns, who arguably told this exact story (dark future that's supposedly the ultimate result of the changes post-flashpoint) in a way that didn't make me so vehemently angry... heck, I actuallly LIKED Doomsday Clock in the end. I don't think it's as good as it thinks it is, but ultimately it's purpose is to restore the DCU to a better place without invalidating what came before. And that book also had a perfectly suitable dark future that we need to correct, without the need for constant mindless, gory deaths.

It almost feels like things should be reversed, with the needlessly gory Darkseid War being the child of semi-edgelord Geoff Johns, and Doomsday Clock the story by the animation studio trying to tone things down a bit for kids. But this movie is just ALL IN on the Edgelord, while you have Geoff Johns seemingly trying to restore the history and fun he helped take away.

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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #309 on: May 23, 2020, 02:45:01 AM »
I actually am a bit of an outcast in that I really enjoyed Doomsday Clock...the reason I brought up Johns is, because, for all his love of violence and limbs being torn off, he fairly consistently has the writing chops to make up for it. This, for whatever reason, does not. I did check the credits for this thing, the writer is Mairghread Scott, who's got a pretty extensive resume writing for children's entertainment (such as TF and the GotG cartoon), she's fairly reliable, which makes it all the more disappointing that this thing isn't better. If I read on Tvtropes later that this thing was heavily mandated by the higher-ups, I'd believe it though [EDIT: I did, and it was] - it's a roadmap of almost everything wrong with modern DC (well, not quite - the Joker makes no appearance whatsover in it, but for whatever reason Joker was not a major character in this set of movies).

The thing that actively makes me angry about this thing, is that there are so many moments of payoff in this thing, that in a better or different movie in this set, would be so much more satisfying. All of the stuff with Raven and Damien should have been really impactful and enjoyable, except it's in this, a movie where nothing matters and nothing lands.

You, know, just this morning I was remembering the short-lived cartoon "Beware the Batman" and was wondering why DC has struggled so much to make a decent, long-lasting Batman animated show lately. And now I'm kind of reminded why. DC always seems to be in a weird place, and their animated movies are a great example of that.
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Re: DC Extended Universe
« Reply #310 on: August 25, 2020, 09:33:58 AM »
Apparently in the ongoing DC fandome event, it was confirmed that the crossover with the TV series is canon to the movies and is how the movies Flash takes the name Flash.

Which is cool.
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« Reply #311 on: August 30, 2020, 06:51:01 PM »
Meh. I don't like the movie Flash at all. He's supposed to be getting a new costume, which is good. (The armor is ugly) But the character's personality comes off as a hyper, dumber version of the Tom Holland Spider-Man.

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« Reply #312 on: August 30, 2020, 11:59:22 PM »
Yeah, he was such a transparent attempt to copy the popularity of Holland's Spidey that it was painful to watch.  Like pretty much everything DC did to that point, it was an example of aping something successful with no regard for what they were adapting and no understanding of what had made their source successful in the first place.
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« Reply #313 on: August 31, 2020, 03:08:47 AM »
I look at it this way...

DC = Better tv shows, not counting AGENTS OF SH.I.E.L.D.

Marvel = Better movies. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the only DCEU movies I'd put on par with the Marvel ones.

The people running the DC movies just do not get most of the characters. Batman and Superman do not kill. Lex Luthor was more Joker than Luthor, and should not have had hair. Flash is a putz who they could kill off and I honestly wouldn't care.


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« Reply #314 on: August 31, 2020, 08:32:12 AM »
I actually never thought of the Tom Holland Spider-Man comparison until you guys pointed it out.  I just viewed it as a way for them to add more levity and humor into the franchise at that point and have different personalities to bounce off each other.

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« Reply #315 on: August 31, 2020, 10:56:36 AM »
I got to agree on movie Flash. I won't say I hated it or anything but the character is pretty 2 dimensional. I blame it on what I'll call The Cram, which would be WB not getting on developing the individual characters early enough much less settling on an established cannon early enough either thus the character being crammed in as a supporting cast to the more well known to worldwide viewers characters and less standing alone. Hence a trope character that played off and up the established character types and their own development. I suppose what's done is done though.

On Shazam I appreciated that the heroes are foster children. I think it's great that they gave rl foster kids and now grown ones something to connect with and something for other kids to connect with them.

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« Reply #316 on: September 01, 2020, 09:59:53 PM »
Hilariously, Justice League: TAS had more personality and depth to their characters (as flat as they started out) after their first 30 minute episode than the DC film did after three freaking hours.
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« Reply #317 on: September 06, 2020, 04:17:04 AM »
Reluctantly I got to agree there too. I won't say I hated it, I didn't though bias where anything with comic characters or video game ones automatically has an appeal to me. But I couldn't find myself involved is the term I think. Noted they made a press release about the issue beforehand and that they were racing to reinvent it having felt the same when they looked at their own product. Visual effects were up I'll give it that, WB seems good there. Aquaman if nothing else hit that one out of the park imo. But heart and character depth tends to be lacking. Shazam had heart which goes a long way, that is where Disney/Marvel projects really succeed I think as well being a genuinely fun experience. Joker I think can naturally have been said to be involving as well carry it's weight in layering the characters albeit disturbing as it is. Though WB does acknowledge and get it at least. I can only move to that they didn't get on this early enough. Historically WB isn't known for taking gambles, they stick with what already sells and what's comfortable and in the DC case that would be Batman and Superman. And when something doesn't pay off, Green Lantern for example, they tend to abandon it instead of giving it another try and trying to make something more substantial. Marvel has impressed me as being the opposite and it paid of for them, starting back with the surprise hit of Blade going forward and creating that character and franchise growth with worldwide households patiently over the years regardless of flops and hurdles. I hope going forward the mistakes they've made and seeing the model of their competitors causes a big shift in the way they approach their live action ventures because really I want to see it and I want to be so blown away I can't stop talking about what they do. I want to see Lobo movie for one example that the world loves Lobo and can't shut up about it and kids wear Lobo Halloween masks because he's their new favorite. I want to see a Superman movie that wins several awards. And so on and I know I'm not alone. It's not a matter of dissing because again I like all this stuff regardless of what it is but I want to see better for it too.
 

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« Reply #318 on: September 07, 2020, 02:14:03 AM »
Aquaman was fine, but it had a few problems, though I do think further sequels would have to deal with less. It borrowed a lot from the N52 series, which for all its faults did at least try to do right by Aquaman. I watched it on a plane months later, and I have a lot of things to say about it (I may not be AS big a fan as Benton, but I do have a lot of affection for the character), but I'll keep that in tags so this post doesn't get bogged down.

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As for the others... WW was decent enough, but I've said before that the only movie I really, honestly like so far in the DCEU is Shazam, and I knew I would from the moment it was announced. Even before they officially split off Black Adam, around the time BvS was gearing up IIRC, it was announced that Shazam was being put together by a completely different studio, and the people in charge of the project flatly said that they wanted Shazam to be a fun movie. I'm hopeful for some of the others (SS2, if nothing else, will now act as my giant finger to anyone who complains Wolverine/Hawkeye's mask isn't "realistic" enough for the movies) but every time the snyder cut comes up I get flashbacks to the awful.
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« Reply #319 on: September 07, 2020, 11:50:08 AM »
I'm glad you two liked Shazam. I got a flack for admitting it on FB. Thing I explained there is my background is theater. I grew up with opera and such and then pursued it myself. So when I watch movies I'm attentive to the structure. Shazam was a film that didn't interest me from the ads. But to watch it the story structure was intact, the pacing was intact, the character development was as well. The acts held up and were entertaining and they kept it fresh. They pulled off suspension of disbelief against many things that one paper would be absurd in film. And again it had heart. And in WB's case again as this seems to be the trend they managed it without making it crammed. Aquaman my main fault was I felt the pacing was off and again crammed there as well, WW was crammed too and could have been two films separately. Have to concur on your spoilered points as well to at least a degree. Again all of this mind you due to how I absorb a production as well all the above still favored if for no reason than I'm biased and like things having to do with comics.