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Offline HarryTrotter

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Star Trek Discovery
« on: April 06, 2017, 12:50:28 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWD_9uMtHJo
So here are the two teasers.
And from everything so far,it looks very promising.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2017, 08:13:44 PM »
I am much less hopeful.  They've delayed the show to reword it several times now, and ones of the suits was in an interview boasting about how awesome it was going to be because they were going to put nudity and other stuff into it that the earlier shows couldn't.

This tells me that the suits at least totally don't get it.

There are lots of Star Trek veterans working on it, so it might be okay, but if there's really making it more adult and such I'll still be out.

We shall see.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2017, 09:59:52 PM »
Star Trek Discovery was pretty much doomed from the word go once the suits got it into their head that the new show could be a flagship to their new online network. This happened once before with UPN when Star Trek Voyager was given it's debut and praising they could do everything that other networks and even syndication wouldn't allow them to do at the time. Adding more action, violence, blood, and nudity just feels like they are reaching for the more extreme audiences that loved the new J.J. Abram's Star Trek films while still trying to connect with the old shows.

I'm expecting them to get the pilot done but I have my doubts it will ever make it past test audiences and if it does then I still expect it to become the "lost series" because only the die hardest of fans will stay past the pilot to join the network to see the full series.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2017, 11:52:37 PM »
Actually, Voyager was the second time.  Star Trek Phase 2 was the first attempt to use Star Trek to head up a new Network, but that network and show were canceled at the last minute.

So this is very much a habit.  And one which has never worked out.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 04:10:57 AM »
Once again,you opinion and not a fact.
Voyager lasted for 7 seasons,so it might be a lot of things,but how is it a failed pilot?
Who mentioned nudity?When?
Unless you have seen the pilot already,or have a working crystal ball,how do you know it sucks?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 09:08:38 AM »
Seeing as how that particular bombshell echoed across the internet, you could have just googled it, but here's one of many links.

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/36029/star-trek-discovery-may-boldly-embrace-nudity-profanity

It's not a definite thing, but the attitude is the thing.

And nobody said that it was definitely bad, just that there are definite troubling signs.  It may turn out to be to good.

And Voyager is often considered to be the worst of the Star Trek series, so yes, it failed.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 09:32:00 AM »
And Voyager is often considered to be the worst of the Star Trek series, so yes, it failed.
Again,your opinion.Going by that,you can say everything post TOS failed.
Just for example,I think Enterprise was worst then Voyager.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 09:55:43 AM »
Yeah, I don't think I heard about the nudity/profanity thing. Or maybe I just forgot, it has been a while since this thing was announced.

Yeah, I was also under the impression Enterprise was considered the worst.

Funny thing, I just started re-watching Voyager on Netflix this week. My opinion on the show is it had potential and has some positives, but it didn't really get enough out of that potential and is certainly not as good as TOS (which is much older, but I only ever saw it in syndicated reruns 30+ years later anyway) TNG, and DS9 (my favorite) I think Voyager had a much better cast than Enterprise. Enterprise had a fairly bland cast, and quite a few of them were seriously underutilized (Hoshi, for one)

I'm cautiously optimistic. Canada's supposed to get it on actual tv (our equivalent of SCi-Fi, Space) so I see no reason not to watch it, unless it's god awful (and I mean worse than Enterprise bad; I watched every season of Enterprise and most of Voyager when it was new, so again, it'll have to be pretty terrible...)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2017, 10:16:13 AM »
I'm excited for Discovery,  any thoughts on what it's about? Maybe first contact with the Klingons?
I only watched the first 2 seasons of Enterprise, and found them to be a bit better than Voyager.
I wonder, with the success of shows like The Expanse, will Discovery be more hard sci-fi? Or at least a bit more 'mature' in subject matter

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2017, 10:42:43 AM »
Hey,Jason Isaacs is the captain.:)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2017, 11:24:21 AM »
Star Trek Discovery was pretty much doomed from the word go once the suits got it into their head that the new show could be a flagship to their new online network. This happened once before with UPN when Star Trek Voyager was given it's debut and praising they could do everything that other networks and even syndication wouldn't allow them to do at the time. Adding more action, violence, blood, and nudity just feels like they are reaching for the more extreme audiences that loved the new J.J. Abram's Star Trek films while still trying to connect with the old shows.

I'm expecting them to get the pilot done but I have my doubts it will ever make it past test audiences and if it does then I still expect it to become the "lost series" because only the die hardest of fans will stay past the pilot to join the network to see the full series.

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Regardless of its quality, which I'm not attempting to comment on here, this isn't going to be the case.  Star Trek Discovery is already profitable without ever airing an episode due to its worldwide licensing deals with Netflix (USA excluded): http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/cbs-says-star-trek-discovery-is-already-profitable-ahead-of-production/.  And as has been mentioned, it's airing on actual tv in Canada.  It's really only American Star Trek fans getting the short end of the stick here.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2017, 01:54:54 PM »
Hey,Jason Isaacs is the captain.:)
And Sasha from the Walking Dead is First Officer. Im excited!  Also glad to hear that its on Netflix worldwide. Ill be able to watch it legally.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2017, 02:52:43 PM »
And Voyager is often considered to be the worst of the Star Trek series, so yes, it failed.
Again,your opinion.Going by that,you can say everything post TOS failed.
Just for example,I think Enterprise was worst then Voyager.

Actually that is NOT my opinion.  I agree with you and consider Enterprise to be worst, at least for the first two season.  That is, however a common opinion among many other fans.

And the first season is already a done deal.  The pilot is only being shown to get people to subscribe to CSB All-Access.  It was, I believe, actually filmed with the rest of the season and is not really a true pilot.

As for what it's about, it's supposed to be set between Enterprise and the OS.  First contact with Klingons is already done then.

It's also supposed to be more serialized.  One main storyline per season.  That approached worked well for DS9.

Again, we have a lot of great veteran Trek writers and producers on board, so it might turn out very good if the suits don't mess it up.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2017, 01:47:23 PM »
I think that's fine. We only had 5 Trek shows (6 if you include the animated series, which I would consider more an extension of TOS) and 3 of those were considered good and only 2 were considered bad, by most people as I understand it, so I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that. It really just boils down to which of the two you think is worse. Again, I think the first 2 seasons of ENT were absolute low point while 3 and 4 were enjoyable, while Voyager was a mixed bag across more seasons and had a better overall cast.

And personally I don't always agree with common opinion on various fictional works (not this one in particular, mind you).

I've seen people (both online and in real life) espouse opinions I will never agree with or understand. I just kinda shrug my shoulders and move on I guess (and in the case of people I know in RL, avoiding talking about it in detail if we get heated about it - not a bad rule of thumb on this forum, by the way)

Bringing it back to Star Trek - I'd say expect this new series to get the most varied reception a Star Trek has ever gotten due to it having come out in the height of internet culture, and having deliberate strikes against it such as the digital streaming service coup, the divide between pre-and-post Abrams Star Trek, and the increased diversity and supposed profanity and nudity (and I'll believe that when I see it - S4 of Shield was touting that marking B.S. and all I can recall it amounting to was a underwear shot that got mostly left on the editing floor) This Trek has the potential to be hailed by people as both the return of and death knell for "classic Trek" depending on who you ask.

Me? I'm just hoping it turns out to be a decent Trek show week to week. And you know, better than the first two seasons of ENT, because boy do I not want to have to trudge through that again.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2017, 02:38:16 PM »
Trek has always been one of those series that needs a few seasons to gestate before it really starts to pick up. TNG's first season was awful, sometimes racist, and preachy to the point of being unbearable. It EVOLVED into many people's favorite series, but it did not start out that way by any means.

Personally, I've always been a DS9 guy, and that's probably the least Trek show of any Trek show, so.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2017, 04:54:15 PM »
DS9 jumped the shark about halfway through the war with the Dominion, and I regard its finale as only slightly less as bad as Voyager's.

Other than the casting, i do not like much that I've heard about Discovery, so far. I was hoping for a series set farther in the future than TNG/DS9/Voyager, not one set earlier. And I like that Star Trek doesn't cross certain boundaries, so I hope the nudity thing is a load of bs or gets tossed out.

But I will not be watching the show, regardless, beyond the pilot if it airs on normal tv. I cannot afford to subscribe to CBS's streaming service, and I have no reason to beyond that one show. I'm sure there are a lot of other people who feel the same way.

I expect some of the following to eventually happen:

The show bombs on All-Access (they don't get enough subscribers), and it moves to regular tv, replacing a show doing poorly in the ratings. Maybe by Discovery's second season.

Netflix at some point acquires the rights to re-run it, but not until it has aired several seasons.

It gets pirated, and a lot of people choose to watch it that way. (No, I'm not condoning it. But I know The Grand Tour and a few other Amazon shows have been pirated, because someone got in trouble for posting links at another board i'm a member of. So I'll be very surprised if it doesn't happen with Discovery.)

It bombs huge in the U.S., and eventually ends up in syndication after its run ends in the rest of the world, OR ends up in first run on Netflix rather than All-Access.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2017, 05:04:02 PM »
A LOT of people are planning on doing exactly what I am planning on doing--waiting until all the episodes are out then subscribing for a single month and dropping it after I've binge watched the season.  Assuming the nudity thing turns out to be not a thing or exaggerated.

My prediction is that a huge number of people will do exactly that, which will show CBS that people are interested in the new series but not in All-Access as much.  If Netflix's numbers are good then it could mean a transfer of the show to Netflix or to traditional television.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2017, 02:32:12 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rj4inzcAKk
That was kind of a weird trailer. :blink:
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 10:56:15 PM »
Looks good.  I don't have time to watch any new shows. If I get to see that pink zerg looking thing naked though,  I'm on board.
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