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Offline HarryTrotter

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Old Skool Marvel
« on: September 10, 2017, 02:45:11 PM »
So lately I was (re)reading/catching up on some thing,mostly from the time of Wayne's World and Mortal Kombat.  :)

The Gargoyle I guess the central theme is Christianity vs Paganism.Its weird.Its DeMatteis.

Hellstorm: Prince of Lies and Druid Its early Warren Ellis,so it feels a lot like a pilot episode for his later works.Even some names got reused later on.Jakita Wagner,anyone?Not terrible,but lets face it,Ellis isn't all that diverse in his works.If you read even one,you saw a lot of things here handled better.

I returned to finish She-Hulk,and honestly,it suffers after Slott leaves.David isn't bad,but abandoning the setting and the characters of the past 30 or so issues kinda hurts the series.At least the whole thing with doppelgangers from Earth Alpha explains a lot about the Marvel universe.

Peter Davids Hulk Halfway thru,and I cant help but notice- Punisher really was everywhere in those days.  :rolleyes:
Its good so far,what can I say?

Ghost Rider/Punisher/Wolverine Its Marvels three most profitable heroes (at the time),together at last.But it actually holds up better then you would expect,and it has JR JR on the art.Thou I cant guess why Mephisto looks like Malebolgia from Spawn here.Okay,I can,but its unnecessary.

Wolverine v2 Apparently,Marvel universe had a real problem with cybernetic villains at the time.
Its gets a bit weaker after Claremont leaves,but it evens out once Hamma took over.And I like Silvestri's art,as always.

Cable Classics So yeah,Cable is Terminator.With Cannonball being John Connor.IIRC,that plot never really went anywhere.Then again,Im not even sure if I read Cables solo series before.I think I did,but I wouldn't bet on it...
Series has a weird tendency to jump all over the place,so its a bit hard to follow.Even for somebody who read X-Force of the time.It gets better in the second volume.And really,what is up with cyborg villains all over the place? :blink:
 
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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 07:29:54 PM »
Moving on with Hulk,Death shows up on Ricks wedding.As in Death from Sandman.We never see her face,but its death as a goth girl with an ankh pendant(that has to bail before Thanos shows up).You can guess who it is.
That messes up several universes,doesnt it? ;)
There is also a running gag with some Japanese tourists,but I was too lazy to look for a translation.
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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2018, 07:07:21 PM »
Stating the obvios,but Byrnes Fantastic Four is great.His Doom is the only Doom.
Also,Last Galactus Story is one of the greatest Marvel stories ever.
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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 09:13:24 PM »
"Old Scool Marvel" still makes me laugh.

Byrne's FF was FUN. Even though I didn't agree with his take on Aunt Petunia, I enjoyed the run.

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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 11:58:57 PM »
I believe even Byrne himself somewhat agrees he handled Aunt Petunia wrong.

Stating the obvios,but Byrnes Fantastic Four is great.His Doom is the only Doom.
Also,Last Galactus Story is one of the greatest Marvel stories ever.

I'm a regular over at Byrne Robotics under my real name, and a lot of people (me included) agree with you on both points. I honestly think Byrne is the only writer since Stan Lee who `gets' Doom. Those who have followed him certainly don't.

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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 02:13:02 AM »
I believe even Byrne himself somewhat agrees he handled Aunt Petunia wrong.

Stating the obvios,but Byrnes Fantastic Four is great.His Doom is the only Doom.
Also,Last Galactus Story is one of the greatest Marvel stories ever.

I'm a regular over at Byrne Robotics under my real name, and a lot of people (me included) agree with you on both points. I honestly think Byrne is the only writer since Stan Lee who `gets' Doom. Those who have followed him certainly don't.

Agreed.

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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 11:17:39 AM »
I did like Waids Doom,on a similar note.
Punisher : Capital Punishment,which really should have been called Punisher: Eurotour.Great art,story is what you would expect.Die Hard in a supermarket issue is a personal favorite.
Incredible Hulk: Pardoned .You could make a drinking game out of Hulk becoming inteligent.Once per writer?High point is Avengers teaming up with Hulk to fight the Leader.Today that would be a whole event with dozens of tie ins.
Also,Marvel,start numbering your bloody collections! For example,if we can have Venom v1,we can have Thunderbolts by Jeff Parker v1.Whats so difficult there?
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Re: Old Skool Marvel
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 02:58:59 PM »
Ace Books was infamous for re-issuing a book with a new cover, possibly new name, and new indicia. If you look around hard enough, you could usually find the original copyright date, but not just on a casual examination.

Why did they do it? Well. I can't say for sure (yes I can), but maybe they hoped that you would get confused and buy a second copy.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 04:32:02 PM »
I kinda doubt thats the case,but its still a odd approach.To continue on the Thunderbolts example- You have Thunderbolts Classics V1-V3,then it switches to Hawkeye and Thunderbolts v1-v2 and we skip ahead and we have Thunderbolts: Cage,Violent Rejections,The Great Escape etc.
Seriously,what the hell?Were they under impression that nobody would buy something labeled as "volume 2"?That's also unlikely,since their tps of ongoing series are numbered.Ie Venom v1-v3.
Yeah,I know its not exactly the end of the world,but it grinds my gears.
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