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Offline Deaths Jester

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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2018, 03:31:42 AM »
I talking about the current heroic Black Knight, Dane Whitman. Jeez...
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2018, 04:07:18 AM »
That's the same fellow who appeared back in Avengers #48.  I haven't read the one you're talking about DJ, but I've heard good things about it.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2018, 04:14:17 AM »
Ah but back in Avengers 48, Whitman was undecided on being a hero or not. By the time he "joins" Zemo's group, he has decided to be a good guy (if memory serves me right but it is hazy)...it makes sense if you read it and stuff from the story pops up quite often afterwards...
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2018, 05:39:45 AM »
@Benton Funny thing is,Stan Lee's writing work for larger-then-life characters like Thor or Silver Surfer.
@DJ I think you are refering to Under Siege.

TBH,I cant say that I was ever a fan of Avengers Silver and Bronze age aestetics.Or their Chromium age,for different reasons.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2018, 12:52:09 AM »
Ah but back in Avengers 48, Whitman was undecided on being a hero or not. By the time he "joins" Zemo's group, he has decided to be a good guy (if memory serves me right but it is hazy)...it makes sense if you read it and stuff from the story pops up quite often afterwards...

Your memory is hazy. (No offense.) Dane became a good guy almost from the outset. He was a reservist Avenger ever since the 60's and finally joined full-time early in Roger Stern's run. Long before Assault on Avengers Mansion.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2018, 12:53:06 AM »
@Benton Funny thing is,Stan Lee's writing work for larger-then-life characters like Thor or Silver Surfer.
@DJ I think you are refering to Under Siege.

TBH,I cant say that I was ever a fan of Avengers Silver and Bronze age aestetics.Or their Chromium age,for different reasons.
I still believe in that there are no bad characters,only bad writers,but I have never seen a version of Vision that I liked.

Oh come on. He's a classic. He was practically the group's mascot for ages. Lots of Avengers fans love him.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2018, 08:04:32 AM »
Which is cool,but I personally dont like him.But then again,I only liked Hawkeye when Busiek and Nicieza were writing him,so I have a lot of unpopular opinions.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2018, 04:15:59 PM »
Alright guys, I've finished my reviewing and selection.  Here is the document I'm sending my friend, along with the comics.  You'll find my selection and some rationale under the intro:
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I think I'll make a generalized version of this and put it on my blog, sort of like my Aquaman Primer.

I'm pretty happy with my list, but if my friend is interested, I may eventually expand it into some of the more modern stuff that y'all mentioned.  I decided to cut several things out as they just weren't as good as I remembered or simply were a bit too much for the kind of project I had in mind.  Thank you all for you help!  Y'all made this more fun and much easier!
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2018, 12:00:14 PM »
So,you stoped reading the comic in 1978? :p
Also,it might be easier to seek out collected editions,at least for the crossovers.
And on top of everything mentioned before,there is #125,the one where Thanos becomes a god.Sure,that happens every few days,but this is the first case IIRC.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2018, 02:33:24 PM »
I have the 44 Years of the Avengers DVD, and I've only read through to the late 70s / early 80s. 

Fortunately, I think I've got all of the books I need at the moment.

Yeah, I considered that one, but it draws on a bunch of stuff from CM's own book and would have been a bit hard to follow on its own, I think.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2018, 05:01:50 PM »
I have the 44 Years of the Avengers DVD, and I've only read through to the late 70s / early 80s. 


What made you stop? I mean, sure, there's some real crap that happens later down the line, but most of the mid-late 80's Avengers stuff (including West Coast,) is still good reading. In particular, the Stern run is a keeper.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2018, 05:09:34 PM »
Ohh, it wasn't a conscious decision or anything.  I just started doing other things.  I'll go back and read more eventually.  Actually, I had apparently stopped several years before the Korvac Saga, but y'all's suggestions spurred me to read a bit further, which was great fun.

For a while I was reading Avengers, FF, and some other Marvel books in big chunks, but I guess I got distracted.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2018, 09:24:52 PM »
Ohh, it wasn't a conscious decision or anything.  I just started doing other things.  I'll go back and read more eventually.  Actually, I had apparently stopped several years before the Korvac Saga, but y'all's suggestions spurred me to read a bit further, which was great fun.

For a while I was reading Avengers, FF, and some other Marvel books in big chunks, but I guess I got distracted.

Ah. Okey-dokey.

...You haven't read Avengers #200 yet, have you?

GOD was that a dumpster fire.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2018, 10:33:52 PM »
I actually looked it up after y'all's comments....urg...sounds pretty bad.
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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2018, 10:41:46 PM »
Just watch this. You'll thank me later.

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Re: Avengers 101
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2018, 01:08:03 PM »

Yeah, I considered that one, but it draws on a bunch of stuff from CM's own book and would have been a bit hard to follow on its own, I think.
Thats going to be a recurring problem.Hey kids,want to know why Tony is a former alcoholic?
Its similar for everyone else.Except Hawkeye.His only defining trait is that hes an Avenger.Seriously,thats all he got.It only got better in the Modern age.
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