QuoteECW writer Dave Lagana, who was a fan of the original ECW, is strongly against Bob Holly's push on TV. However Arn Anderson and Finlay used their influence to get Holly pushed as they believe he is the best heel on the roster.
Vince McMahon was furious after the 1/16 ECW tapings and went nuts backstage. He hated the show and was screaming that there wasn't one guy in ECW who knew how to work. McMahon was particularly upset with the main event. Vince is said to be mad all the time since that taping. Stephanie, Vince and Dave Lagana had a meeting about the future of ECW with Vince strongly hinting that ECW was on it's last legs.
credit: Wrestling Observer newsletter
If the part about Holly has you mad, this will have you steaming: Arn Anderson and Finlay are also anti-Punk, and are apparently the ones who killed the push he was going to get. The problem is, Anderson and Finlay are TOO old school and behind the times.
[spoiler]Vince's comments may have just been anger due to a bad show, because on the tapings for this week's episode, he put over a few of the ECW Originals and even had some of them destroy Elijah Burke. But CM Punk and RVD jobbed again this week. I can buy RVD doing it as he more or less deserves to be in the doghouse, but there is no justification whatsoever for Punk losing to someone who is only over in the mind of the people backstage.[/spoiler]
Lets see.....
The real ECW guys are more or less used as jobbers, the roster has had people on it who were called up from developmental too early, Kelly Kelly is a waste of space, and Bobby Lashley is the champ. Yeah, you have a point, Vince. No one in ECW can work? Assuming he means anyone on the roster and not just the ECW Originals, he must be in the bathroom during CM Punk's and Test's matches.....
Oh, they can work, alright. Its just that they've been made to work WWE style, which is for the most part boring as sin. If ECW dies, it will be due to Vince's ego and politicing. If he'd just let Heyman and Lagana actually run ECW, then it would be successful. But I guess Vince cares more about stroking his own ego and letting his yes-men get their say than ECW being a success and making money.
Seriously, Bobby Lashley is more or less just a bald-headed black guy with a nice physique who uses other people's finishers and should never be let anywhere near the mic. There's nothing noteworthy about him whatsoever, and anywhere but the WWE, he'd be a midcarder. What were they thinking putting the belt on him, and hoping it would pull in fans?
TNA Impact taping spoiler:
[spoiler]Scott Steiner is back and is now allied with Christian and Tomko, apparently. He attacked Angle, so I guess he's the `anger management coach' that was talked about.
At Against All Odds, Abyss and Sting are going to have a Prison Yard Brawl match, which means its an anything goes fight and you win by locking your opponent in a cell. Jim Mitchell issued the challenge, and Sting later accepted.
Team 3D and LAX are going to face off in a Little Italy Brawl. No idea what that is, but speculation at another board I visit is that it might mean Italian themed weapons are used. (like a pizza cutter, for instance) I myself doubt that, but with TNA you never know......
Either TNA is adding a women's division or Christy Hemme is up the creek without a paddle. She's apparently going to get a match at the PPV, but didn't say who her opponent would be. With Russo writing, I wouldn't be surprised if they put her up against a male wrestler and get squashed. I'll be surprised if her opponent doesn't turn out to be Kip James, the way things have been going.[/spoiler]
Scotty 2 Hotty is apparently now on the RAW roster. I guess they need more people to feed to the Masterlock. Rumor is, they may be re-uniting Too Cool, but I think that would be a mistake. Grandmaster Sexay didn't even last a month before he got fired the last time. I doubt it would be any different if they brought him back.
The debut of Wrestling Society X. Hmm.... My main beef with the show is that the camera work was so shoddy and jerky. In the middle of big spots, I don't need to see the expressions on the managers, announcers, audience, camera man, bands faces, etc..... Just show me the superior wrestling. And Gods do I hate 6 Pac! He hasn't been any good since he was the 123 kid. He's got one of the worst moves in wrestling (bronco buster), his spin kick is weak and the X-Factor is no longer a viable finisher as everyone does it. I would have much rather seen Justin Credible vs Vampiro as both of those two can get extreme. My two cents.
I do agree with you about the camera work. WSX was pretty good, that aside. The main event was my first time actually seeing Teddy Hart in action, and I can't believe he's got that much talent but is squandering it because of his attitude.
As for 6-Pac, you pretty much nailed it. I was a fan when he was the 123 Kid, but he's lost it. As for his finisher, he could always go back to using the Buzzkiller he used as Syxx....which if I remember correctly was more or less a sloppy looking Tazzmission. However, Justin Credible vs. Vampiro, I can't agree with; I've always been anti-Justin Credible. He's the worst ECW champion of all time (only considering the real ECW, not ECWWE), and was actually more entertaining when he wore that jock strap on his head as Aldo Montoya. My favorite Credible singles match? Him getting squashed by Angle in Angle's ECWWE debut. Vampiro vs. Kaos would be better.
What I find interesting about WSX is that some well known indy guys are using different names as well as gimmicks in WSX. For anyone who doesn't know, Matt Classic and Delikado are Colt Cabana and B-Boy under masks, and Luke Hawx is Altar Boy Luke.
the different gimmick by Luke Hawks (formerly Alter Boy Luke) may have been his own decision. I'll ask him next time I talk to him. They also have Matt Sydal (another acquaintance of mine) working for them.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on February 02, 2007, 08:59:28 AM
the different gimmick by Luke Hawks (formerly Alter Boy Luke) may have been his own decision. I'll ask him next time I talk to him. They also have Matt Sydal (another acquaintance of mine) working for them.
Matt Sydal was in WSX's first match, losing to Jack Evans in a really good match. First time ever seeing either in action after hearing about them a lot, and I'm already a fan of both. (I don't get to see a lot of indy action, as there's not a decent source for it around here and the local wrestling fed is a joke; former home of Smoky Mountain Wrestling, and all we have here now is....bleech)
They've got one wrestler named Youth Suicide in WSX who was apparently trained by Supreme, which doesn't say much for him, as Supreme is pretty much a no-talent deathmatch spot monkey. Found out from another board that Youth Suicide used to work in RevPro as Lonestar.
Quote from: GhostMachine on February 02, 2007, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on February 02, 2007, 08:59:28 AM
the different gimmick by Luke Hawks (formerly Alter Boy Luke) may have been his own decision. I'll ask him next time I talk to him. They also have Matt Sydal (another acquaintance of mine) working for them.
Matt Sydal was in WSX's first match, losing to Jack Evans in a really good match. First time ever seeing either in action after hearing about them a lot, and I'm already a fan of both. (I don't get to see a lot of indy action, as there's not a decent source for it around here and the local wrestling fed is a joke; former home of Smoky Mountain Wrestling, and all we have here now is....bleech)
Didn't realize you were in TN, Ghost Machine. Anyway, I saw that Sydal and Evans wrestled on the first show. I am irked that I missed it but I understand it's online. I have a couple interesting Sydal stories but I won't bore you with most of them. I've not spoke to him except for an email in a LONG time. One of his former travellin' buds and I still speak on occasion via myspace email.
Anyway, I mention this for a reason. I recall teasing Matt on a couple of occasions about how I would find it hard to buy him as a heel seeing him only as a babyface at NWA Wildside. However, the gimmick they have him and Valentina (or Lizzy Valentine) with seems almost perfect for him to get over as a heel. I stand proven wrong.
oh and by the way, hate to double post. Luke just messaged me back. The name change to Luke Hawks was a decision he made some months back and not related to WSX.
The whole first episode is posted on Youtube, if you want to see it.
Yes, I'm in TN. Knoxville, to be exact. Puts me a quandry as far as the Super Bowl goes, because I'm a Peyton Manning fan since he played college ball here and came off as a really nice guy every time he was interviewed (and he still comes back here a lot) - never have met him though, and the Bears are my second favorite NFC team (after the Cowboys). I'm kinda pulling for the Colts more since I want Peyton to finally win the big one and I can't stand Rex Grossman.
I figured the name change for Altar Boy Luke didn't have anything to do with WSX, because I think the Altar Boys tag team has been disbanded for a while and I checked his profile at Obessessed With Wrestling and it reveals his real name; his actual last name does start with Hawx, but Luke isn't his real first name. (Yeah, he's actually spelling it Hawx, not Hawks)
Guy at another board I go to wrestles as Cade Sydal for Steel Rage Pro and claims he let Matt use the Sydal name, but I don't know if he's blowing smoke or not. Daron Smythe, another indy wrestler, also posts there and has linked some of his matches for us to watch from time to time, but he made a few bad choices in what he posted (one match is pretty much him getting squashed by his opponent, getting maybe one or two offensive moves in the entire time......and he asked us to critique the match!).
I believe I know the "other board" you speak of as I post there too sometimes. Havenn't as much now since my PC Laptop crashed and I switched to a Mac.
Yeah, I know Luke is not his real name. I don't call guys by their real names normally on forums that I know by their real names out of respect for their gimmick or persona.
I was going to say if you were in the southeastern part of TN, Ghost, that you may be able to make it down to NWA Anarchy though those shows don't get the big names like they did when they were NWA Wildside. They still do get some but not as many (mostly because they don't try to get them in as much and travel costs).
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on February 03, 2007, 06:05:43 PM
I believe I know the "other board" you speak of as I post there too sometimes. Havenn't as much now since my PC Laptop crashed and I switched to a Mac.
Yeah, I know Luke is not his real name. I don't call guys by their real names normally on forums that I know by their real names out of respect for their gimmick or persona.
I was going to say if you were in the southeastern part of TN, Ghost, that you may be able to make it down to NWA Anarchy though those shows don't get the big names like they did when they were NWA Wildside. They still do get some but not as many (mostly because they don't try to get them in as much and travel costs).
The "other board" is Extreme Warfare Battleground IV, which started off as a fan-created message board about the Extreme Warfare Revenge wrestling booking simulator game and wrestling in general. And yes, there have been 4 different EWB boards. I've been a member since around 2003 or so, when EWB III was the current board. I'm not too thrilled right now because one of my favorite posters there was recently banned by a moderator who I think had it in for him and finally got an excuse to do so and most of the wrestling discussion lately has consisted of people complaining and whining about how CM Punk is being mis-used, ECW sucking, and TNA going down the drain with Russo booking it. (I know I look hypocritical considering the post I made that started this thread, but the ECW complaints there have gotten worse the past day or two)
I figured you probably did know his real name, but was just mentioning that fact about his ring name, as a lot of other wrestlers' ring names borrow from their real names (Shawn Michaels and Christopher Daniels, for instance, both took their middle name then first name and added an `s' to the end of their real first name to make their ring names). I also know its not proper to call a wrestler by their real name.
As for NWA Anarchy....I'd probably go to a show or two if it wasn't for the fact that I don't drive, which limits my travel options. (I know how to drive, but don't due to a medical condition)
Lately I've been downloading matches from Japan - stuff that's over a year old - because I'm mostly sick of the direction that American wrestling has been going; XSW might possibly be a change in the right direction, but I have to see more before deciding. (This guy named Ditch who posts over at Death Valley Driver Video Review and writes an online column for a site has some websites set up when he uploads matches for people to download - and its legal to download the Japanese matches since the matches aren't made available commercially in the U.S.; he also has one page that's illegal because he posts stuff from various U.S. feds like Ring of Honor and Chikara on it, though) Got a decent amount of Jushin Liger matches, amongst other things, from his sites. (I can't post links because he doesn't want them posted anywhere unless he posts them himself, but I can PM them if anyone wants)
Yeah, definitely PM me the site with the japanese matches for download. I want to pass them on to TJ who I know has been on a kick searching for them on YouTube the past few times I've spoken with him. (We've been chatting about three times a while on MSN Messenger and he, Nat and I are planning to "do lunch" when they get down to DSW. I love being able to use Hollywood jargon sometimes. Plus, I suspect I will be giving him a lesson on video editing in person when he gets down here.)
And yeah, I was right on the name of the board. I post there too sometimes, GM. I use the name wgh_2001. I don't post there much anymore as EWB is not available for the MAC (the one thing I miss about having my old PC) as that thing is positively addictive. LOL!
Ah. Looked up your profile at EWB IV, and I vaguely remember you. Been a year since you posted there.
Don't know if you remember Kou or not, but Rabid Wolverine banned him for gimmick posting (he had made several completely pointless posts in several threads at the time) a few days ago, but he apparently got unbanned sometime yesterday or today.
Don't know if you saw the reply to your last post over there, but if not some Mac users got EWR to run on Virtual PC.
DSW = Deep South Wrestling? We get it on cable here, but seeing as how its on when I'm watching other shows and my favorite tag team on there was let go recently (High Impact, Mike Taylor and Tony Santorelli), I really don't care about watching it at all any more.
By the way, tell TJ to do a search for Ebestan Hansen on youtube. Its a hilarious match with Ebessan as Stan Hansen vs. La Uchida.
Will do that, GM. If he hasn't seen it already, I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
Funny you should mention Satorellli. I knew him back when he worked at NWA Wildside as Tony Stradlin. Not my favorite person in the world but still was kinda sad to see him and Mike and Tracy Taylor out of DSW. Though, I don't usually watch it nor do I go to the shows. Only reason I have had any interest of late in Deep South Wrestling is my conversations with TJ. Go figure, TJ and I don't really chat in depth about wrestling that much.
Oh and I may look into the Virtual PC thing. Thanks.
Saw WSX myself tonight on MTV... not sure if this is a good or bad sign, for wrestling or MTV.
Nice quick matches. Too quick. Great for those with ADD. All spot, no story. A lil' more substance to the flash would be nice. I'm not asking for 5 minute rest holds, but something other than a spotfest would be nice. Some actual technique perhaps?
Most of the characters are a little hokey and seem like WWF brainstorming session rejects and definate future Wrestlecrap inductees.... but oh well... I've learned thats just how wrestling will be from now on. Shame.
The ring announcer is really, really annoying. A lil' personality is one thing, that was another.
However, I have to say... it does have a very ECW feel to it, which could definately work in its favor and it being on at the same time I'm sure is no accident.
Nice to see lots of independant guys though. Very nice. I sure miss the wrestling from the 80's, but it doesn't mean I wanna' watch them until they're 80 themselves. I wanna' see lots of independant guys on this show. Would love to see this be a showcase for them.
RTT
BTW --- I laughed when I saw Chris Hamrick. Something we should know about Hammy?
Quote from: RTTingle on February 06, 2007, 11:52:19 PM
Saw WSX myself tonight on MTV... not sure if this is a good or bad sign, for wrestling or MTV.
Nice quick matches. Too quick. Great for those with ADD. All spot, no story. A lil' more substance to the flash would be nice. I'm not asking for 5 minute rest holds, but something other than a spotfest would be nice. Some actual technique perhaps?
Most of the characters are a little hokey and seem like WWF brainstorming session rejects and definate future Wrestlecrap inductees.... but oh well... I've learned thats just how wrestling will be from now on. Shame.
The ring announcer is really, really annoying. A lil' personality is one thing, that was another.
However, I have to say... it does have a very ECW feel to it, which could definately work in its favor and it being on at the same time I'm sure is no accident.
Nice to see lots of independant guys though. Very nice. I sure miss the wrestling from the 80's, but it doesn't mean I wanna' watch them until they're 80 themselves. I wanna' see lots of independant guys on this show. Would love to see this be a showcase for them.
RTT
BTW --- I laughed when I saw Chris Hamrick. Something we should know about Hammy?
What did you expect? WSX is a wrestling fed that caters to the MTV crowd, and most of the MTV's target audience
does have ADD. I enjoy WSX for what it is, and I expected to see a ton of spots and not much actual wrestling. But being a fan of high fliers and spot monkeys who don't blow half their spots and actually have talent, I'm fine with it. If I want to see technical masterpieces, I'll go watch Japanese matches.
Most of the wrestlers are using their own gimmicks that they've had for a long time. I haven't seen the second episode yet, so I don't know who was on it, but Matt Sydal being teamed with Lizzy Valentine as college sweethearts, Youth Suicide (who apparently wrestled as Lonestar for Revolution Pro), Luke Hawx (formerly Altar Boy Luke), and Delikado and Matt Classic (B-Boy and Colt Cabana under masks) are the only new singles gimmicks. Most of the tag teams are made up of people who have never tagged before, and from what I've seen most of those feature wrestlers using their usual gimmicks. I think D.I.F.H. and That 70's Team are the only two tag teams with people using new gimmicks.
And Chris Hamrick is an old school southern wrestler who has been around the indies for a long time. (think he started wrestling in the 80's)
Chris Hamrick and I are not related as far as we know. None of that the "Hamrick" side of my family live out of state. We have met before and we had a good laugh together about it. My dad even had a good laugh about it and he can't stand wrestling.
There are a whole other set of Hamricks in the Atlanta area that are not related to me, a few of whom are involved with state government.
OKay it might be completely off topic but i think MTV is just trying to get more MTV haters to watch. Anyways back to WSX i would love to see jackevens vs teddy hart
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mikeawesomepasses (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mikeawesomepasses)
Quote from: Verfall on February 19, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mikeawesomepasses (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mikeawesomepasses)
Yep. And the rumor is, it may have been suicide. He was apparently found by some friends Saturday night, hanged. :(
Over at Death Valley Driver Video Reviews forum, some of his Japanese matches against Hayabusa and Masato Tanaka have been posted for download. (Again, mostly legal since most of the matches haven't been made commercially available and the ones that have aren't available for purchase anymore - there are a couple matches with Hayabusa in FMW that were previously available on tapes and dvds put out by TOKYOPOP, but they quit putting the tapes and dvds out a couple of years ago)
Wonder if ECW will say anything tonight on his passing. He was a star. Just forget That 70's Guy gimmick. Though, the Fat Chick Thrilla was nice.
And, add one more to the dead wrestler list. Bad News Allen (Brown) died today of a heart attack. Damn.
I don't know if I should "all but confirm this" but the reports circulating that Harry Smith is being transferred to DSW and he and TJ Wilson and Nattie Neidhart are going to be packaged as a trio.
For those who have heard that Nattie has debuted but is working as a "backstage interviewer" and in an "eye candy" role, there is a reason for this. The reason is the notion that they want to package the three together. And unless TJ has gotten his visa in the last 48 hours, then he is still waiting on it. (hope he doesn't kill me for stating that.)
I decided to watch DSW this week, which was the first episode I've seen in months. Nattie was working as a color commentator. First time I've heard her speak, and her voice isn't conducive to mic work (at first I thought it might be an effeminate guy!), but her personality gets around that easily. I missed the first ten or fifteen minutes of the show, and they never did show her or the announcer at all when I was watching, except a brief glimpse during a match when two wrestlers were brawling at ringside.
And in case anyone hasn't heard, Bad News Allen\Brown has died. I don't know the full specifics yet, but it may have been a heart attack, as he called a friend complaining of chest pains.
Well, Wrestlemania this year was interesting. I didn't watch it but got results as the show was in progress from a message board I go to. Only two matches on the card I wasn't happy with the results of (Khali vs. Kane, Ashley vs. Melina), and the MITB my second choice to win it won (my first being CM Punk).
I am sick of Cena as champ, but there's really no alternative at the moment; HBK would probably only drop the belt to HHH if he won it, Edge is likely going to end up feuding with Orton after Backlash if not before, and Umaga and Khali should never be let anywhere near the title.
Oh, and Jeff Jarrett is returning to TNA soon, if he hasn't already, so prepare for TNA to start sucking even worse fairly soon.....
I was at the DSW taping other night and I did chat with Nattie over the weekend via email (she said thanks for the comments Ghost Machine). TJ's computer is messed up. They are enjoying Atlanta just fine. No word on the situation with Harry.
With regards to Wrestlemania, I'm glad Kennedy won the MITB. I still favor a slow build up and push of CM Punk. He's not even been in the WWE for a year. The last thing I want to see is him going the was of certain stars who get that "uber-push" that goes to his head. He is a commodity that the WWE needs to make a long term investment out of it. (Like they did with Edge, like him or not!)
I was strangely happy that Melina won. Personally, I would rather see a women's divsion centered around her, Victoria, Jillian, and Mickie James. And leaving Ashley and Torrie Wilson out of the mix. Regarding Candice, she is making an effort to improve so we'll see. Then call up a few of the ladies from OVW and DSW.
I was not really disappointed with any of the results on the card but wasn't particularly eager to pay to see any of them. LOL!
I thought it would have made more sense for Ashley win due to the Playboy thing, and wanted it because I don't like Melina at all - I automatically mute the tv or change the channel whenever Melina is on the mic. However, I'm partially glad Ashley didn't win because she's not an actual wrestler - I hate when they put the women's title on someone who has no business being in the ring (like when Lita had it). They really need to bring Beth Phoenix back.
Torrie Wilson is next to useless as anything but eye candy; her reactions at ringside during Carlito's matches suck and she can't wrestle, or sell, at all. My favorite non-wrestling Diva is Maria, because she does a great job with the airhead character and is actually entertaining.
If they made a women's division with Melina, Candice, Jillian, Mickie, Victoria and Beth Phoenix, plus Nattie whenever they bring her up (although, I have a feeling that her, Harry, and TJ Wilson will end up on Smackdown) and Shantelle Taylor (who has apparently been wrestling dark matches for SD in a mask as a male wrestler!) they might have something. Krissy Vaine would also be a pretty good addition eventually, but from what I've seen of her DSW work so far, she's not quite ready yet.
Apparently, Colt Cabana has signed a developmental deal and may be going to OVW. He's wrestling a few more RoH matches (his last RoH match will be against Adam Pearce in Chicago on the 28th) before moving to OVW, though.
The only stuff from this year's WM I really want to see are the Undertaker vs. Batista match (the Deadman is champ again! :thumbup: ) and the Stunner on Donald Trump.
I *finally* found a match I'd been looking for for a long time: Jushin Liger (wearing blue instead of red) vs. Ultimo Dragon for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight title (Ultimo is the defending champ), from the `93 WCW Japan Supershow. Well worth a look, because Liger and Ultimo always put on great matches together (I"ve never seen a bad Liger-Ultimo match), Liger has on blue instead of red, and the announcers are Tony Schiavone and Jim Ross!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqq2eWbN-vs <-------Liger! (Not the match I mentioned; this is a fan made tribute video and is ten kinds of cool)
In Lita's defense, she use to could wrestle (compared to some and not as well as others) back before her neck injury. I agree though that she never could work anywhere near as well after she came back, though. I don't know how Shantelle and Nattie will get called up but I imagine it will be sooner rather than later. Both are working DSW shows and of course Shantelle as been working dark matches.
Not sure what the plans are for TJ and Harry. I do know that one plan being talked about was bringing them in as a "Next Gen Hart Foundation" type deal as all three have ties to The Hart Family. I think the ideas being tossed around about that are well circulated.
However, as of the last time I talked with TJ about it (and granted we don't talk about the wrestling business much), there were no plans that he had been informed about. The fact that the verdict is still seemingly out on rather or not to move Harry to DSW means that they may be putting them in as singles or on different brands. He was not working on DSW television tapings but on their dark matches. I will mention the following, though. There is a chance that the three of them could end up on ECW but I don't know how big of a chance.
Oh yeah, and regarding Colt Cabana. He is in OVW and his trainer Ace Steel is in DSW. I'd not be surprised to see some sort of "Second City Saints" reunion in WWE/ECW before it's all said and one.
Lita is\was a decent wrestler, but she's always been a klutz in the ring and was even before her neck injury. I used to cringe whenever she'd do her Litasault. She definitely should NOT have gone back in the ring after the neck injury, though. I remember one particularly bad botch in match vs. Trish awhile back (this was way post neck injury, because this was either after Trish turned heel and sided with Christian or right before that) where Lita did a suicide dive out of the ring onto Trish and it almost lived up to the name; I believe Lita hit the ringside barricade pretty hard with her shoulder. If it had been her head that had hit the barricade, she probably would have ended up paralyzed, or worse.
If they do bring them in as a next gen Hart Foundation (and that's not really hot news; that's been speculated amongst the internet fan community for a long time), I hope they bring in Nattie's father as their manager or something. The Anvil always rocked, and I miss hearing his evil laugh.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 03, 2007, 05:54:00 PM
If they do bring them in as a next gen Hart Foundation (and that's not really hot news; that's been speculated amongst the internet fan community for a long time), I hope they bring in Nattie's father as their manager or something. The Anvil always rocked, and I miss hearing his evil laugh.
I wish they would bring in The Anvil as their manager. Especially if that mean that Nattie doesn't have to try to imitate her dad's laugh. *cringe*
Yay, we're back. Ok, Wrestlemania was fun this year. But, I am so over Ashely now. I believe she's lost even more weight and has the body of a 12 year old boy now. Eew. Melina is horrible in the ring. She's better than most of the non wrestling divas, but she sucks. Sweet, sweet Mickie. Mmmm.... Bring back the womens division from 3 years ago. Man was that solid.
Did Kane look like a punk to you guys in that match against Khali? Geeze, that was bad!
If Ashley has lost even more weight, I REALLY don't want to see her now. I remember when someone over at another board had a pic of her with paint over her breasts (ala Sable) for the bikini contest a few months back, and she really looked awful then. (Pic also showed that whoever did her breast implants didn't do a good job)
I didn't watch Wrestlemania, but to answer your question, Thanoson, the reaction from some people who have seen it pretty much say Kane came off looking really bad. I wish they'd get rid of Khali, because he's pretty much Giant Gonzalez 2007.
You won't believe what happened at TNA's Lockdown PPV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G653rJm6c28
[spoiler]It didn't look all that great, but considering that's the first time he's used that move in at least 8 or 9 years!......[/spoiler]
Yeah, as I recall, he created that move didn't he? Well, he was the 1st I ever saw use that move at least. Surprise his back didn't blow up from all the Bane Juice he's got in there.
QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment has ended its relationship with Deep South Wrestling. For the past two years, DSW has served as one of WWE's developmental territories. Check back here as more information becomes available.
No word on how this will affect the DSW talent currently under affliation with WWE. I've shot messages off to TJ, Nattie, and Harry expressing condolences. I don't think it will affect them too much except to say that they were just getting settled in down here.
I imagine that DSW will be allowed to finish up any angles that they have going with WWE talent before moving them back up to OVW. (There is an angle going involving Krissy Vaine, Angel Williams and Nattie Neidhart along with Melissa Coates. I believe Ryan O'Reiley is under developmental. Mike Knox has been working down there. ETC.) Just a guess though.
Personally, I think we're about to see several call-ups to the WWE roster from the developmentals. (They seem to do this post-Wrestlemania and then post-Summerslam.) I'd not be surprised to see this in the coming weeks. Especially with more of a roster needed for ECW. I guess we'll see.
thanoson, I doubt Steiner actually invented the move. After all, its just a Hurricanrana with the victim seated on the turnbuckle or stuck in the corner (I've seen it done both ways), and the Hurricanrana was actually invented in Mexico. Steiner did popularize the move, however, which is why its mostly referred to as a Frankensteiner when done off the turnbuckle.
As a fan of Steiner before he got injured and bulked up, I was stunned to hear about him doing that move at Lockdown and searched for a clip of it. Fortunately, I found that clip on youtube....
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 19, 2007, 10:32:16 AM
QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment has ended its relationship with Deep South Wrestling. For the past two years, DSW has served as one of WWE's developmental territories. Check back here as more information becomes available.
No word on how this will affect the DSW talent currently under affliation with WWE. I've shot messages off to TJ, Nattie, and Harry expressing condolences. I don't think it will affect them too much except to say that they were just getting settled in down here.
I imagine that DSW will be allowed to finish up any angles that they have going with WWE talent before moving them back up to OVW. (There is an angle going involving Krissy Vaine, Angel Williams and Nattie Neidhart along with Melissa Coates. I believe Ryan O'Reiley is under developmental. Mike Knox has been working down there. ETC.) Just a guess though.
Personally, I think we're about to see several call-ups to the WWE roster from the developmentals. (They seem to do this post-Wrestlemania and then post-Summerslam.) I'd not be surprised to see this in the coming weeks. Especially with more of a roster needed for ECW. I guess we'll see.
Yeah, I'm not too happy about that, because I get DSW on tv but not OVW, and I've heard most of the people under developmental contract will be transferred to OVW, giving OVW a bigger roster, instead of being released.
Oh, and I heard High Impact are in OVW now, which is a good thing. I doubt it, but I'm hoping their release wasn't real and they were actually transferred to OVW early with the release being a cover story. Mike Taylor and Tony Santorelli are a fine tag team, and from what I've seen Santorelli is a decent singles wrestler as well. (I've only seen one of Mike Taylor's singles matches)
As for TJ, Harry and Nattie, I'll be surprised if they don't either come in as heels or turn within a couple months of debuting when they are brought up to RAW, Smackdown or ECW. You know what I'd like to see happen? Since Dusty Rhodes is working backstage for the WWE, they could bring back Dustin (as Goldust, of course), bring up Cody, and have a Rhodes Family vs. New Hart Foundation (a name I hope they don't actually use, but I wouldn't be surprised) feud, with Dusty and Nattie working as the managers more or less.
Oh, and I just got a green Jushin Liger mask I won off eBay in the mail today. Its a cheap fan support mask, but its a lot better quality than I expected for what I paid for it. :thumbup:
You must not remember how the true Frankensteiner worked. He never had them in a corner, they were always coming off the ropes when he did it. I don't recall anyone else doing the move before him on American TV. Remember when Scott was the smaller of the Steiners? My have things changed. Go Steinerline!!!
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 19, 2007, 11:35:08 AM
As for TJ, Harry and Nattie, I'll be surprised if they don't either come in as heels or turn within a couple months of debuting when they are brought up to RAW, Smackdown or ECW. You know what I'd like to see happen? Since Dusty Rhodes is working backstage for the WWE, they could bring back Dustin (as Goldust, of course), bring up Cody, and have a Rhodes Family vs. New Hart Foundation (a name I hope they don't actually use, but I wouldn't be surprised) feud, with Dusty and Nattie working as the managers more or less.
I suspect that they will be brought in as faces for a few months then turn heel after a few months as well.
I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.
Quote from: thanoson on April 19, 2007, 03:07:23 PM
You must not remember how the true Frankensteiner worked. He never had them in a corner, they were always coming off the ropes when he did it. I don't recall anyone else doing the move before him on American TV. Remember when Scott was the smaller of the Steiners? My have things changed. Go Steinerline!!!
Actually, they referred to any Hurricanrana that Scott Steiner did as a Frankensteiner, and yes he did do it off the turnbuckle or with the victim just stuck in the corner sometimes. A lot of announcers still call the move a Frankensteiner instead of a Hurricanrana no matter how its done, while some only call it that if its done in the corner and some don't call it that at all.
Back in the day, before Scott bulked up and still had a brown mullet, they were my second favorite tag team (after Demolition), and he was one of my favorite wrestlers, period. I only did get to see the Steiners wrestle live once, though - Clash of the Champions 15, they defended the IWGP tag titles against Masahiro Chono and Hiro Hase.
According to wiki, a Huracanrana is the same thing, only it ends in a pin. Rana apparently is defined as any double-leg cradle. Any version where the opponent is thrown, or the move is used for impact rather than a pinning combination, is considered a frankensteiner.
It's also more closely associated with said running version, but the top rope version falls under that as well since it is a non-pinning move as well.
So basically, pin at the end = Huracanrana, no pin = Frankensteiner. That of course excludes crazy versions like the Dragon-rana or Deja Vu.
Quote from: Verfall on April 20, 2007, 02:46:50 AM
According to wiki, a Huracanrana is the same thing, only it ends in a pin. Rana apparently is defined as any double-leg cradle. Any version where the opponent is thrown, or the move is used for impact rather than a pinning combination, is considered a frankensteiner.
It's also more closely associated with said running version, but the top rope version falls under that as well since it is a non-pinning move as well.
So basically, pin at the end = Huracanrana, no pin = Frankensteiner. That of course excludes crazy versions like the Dragon-rana or Deja Vu.
Considering the move was apparently named after the wrestler Huracan Ramirez and he used the pinning version, it would make sense.
But, according to Luchawiki, the non-pinning version (Frankensteiner) actually pre-dates the pinning version, and since the Frankensteiner is named after Scott Steiner, calling it a Hurricanrana as well also makes sense, as I guess either it was originally called the Hurricanrana before the pinning version came along or the original name is lost.....
So you can more or less call it a Hurricanrana or Frankensteiner, as long as you don't call a pinning version a Frankensteiner. (Dragonranas and other variations are an altogether different matter)
The name Hurricanrana (also called a Huracarrana) translates more or less as "hurricane frog", or "hurricane leapfrog",according to Luchawiki.
And for the record, the original Rana (
not Hurricanrana) was just a flashier variation of the Victory Roll, and was created by Emiliano Charles Sr...in the 1930s.
*edit* From what I can figure out, from my knowledge of the Smackdown vs. RAW games (I'm going on `06 - I don't have `07), the names of moves are all messed up as they have just about everything that's a Hurricanrana\Frankensteiner listed as a Hurricanrana amongst other things (heck, they have a move that's more or less a Falcon Arrow variation listed as a Gourdbuster!), the Victory Roll variation where the attacker sits on the victim's shoulders for a second instead of rolling through into the pin immediately is either the original Rana or the closest thing to it.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 20, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.
I have to disagree here. There is a good chance that Harry and TJ could be brought in as faces if they came in as allied with Benoit or against a heel HBK.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 20, 2007, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 20, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.
I have to disagree here. There is a good chance that Harry and TJ could be brought in as faces if they came in as allied with Benoit or against a heel HBK.
Yes, but knowing how idiotic the writers are sometimes (and the way Vince's mind works) they could very well bring Harry and TJ in as faces allied with Benoit, only to turn heel on him and blast him for using the Sharpshooter sometimes. Sort of like how Chavo has gone after both Rey and Benoit using the Guerrero legacy as a motive. Nevermind the fact Benoit actually trained in the Hart Dungeon. Going after HBK could work either way (that is, them as faces, HBK as a heel, or vice versa), but I'd hope they would stay away from that. At least for a while.
I see one major problem with them coming in as a New Hart Foundation, though, if the WWE chooses to go that route: a lot of fans are going to expect Bret to show up at some point, and I think Hell will freeze over....twice....before that actually happens.
Well Hell froze over before it could happen again. And if you want a Frozen snow covered hell it will be if the new hart foundation teamed with HBK <_<
Vince is dead.....Party time!
Quote from: Verfall on June 12, 2007, 03:44:11 AM
Vince is dead.....Party time!
That ending was beyond idiotic, and the majority of fans at the various wrestling boards I visit (all 2 of `em :P - well, technically, three, but I haven't even visited one of them lately as I only go there for downloads) think so, as well.
I thought the draft was pretty good, as I don't watch Smackdown or ECW much (SD because there's other things I'd rather watch on when it airs, ECW by choice), but they did the one draft pick I was most hoping they wouldn't: Lashley to RAW. By the same token, one draft pick I really wanted to see happen happened: Mr. Kennedy to RAW. I'm just glad Mark Henry is staying on Smackdown, and hope they don't move him.
Now, if they just draft CM Punk to RAW and Johnny Nitro to Smackdown during the supplemental draft tomorrow......
Its kinda sad how desperate WWE is for ideas and storylines they have to resort to this...and the worst part is the worst(stupidest)part is yet to come .... :doh: but i guess WWE is a much about wrestling as MTV is about music
I think someone switched the Sopranos and McMahon video...
Quote from: ubergreendragon on June 12, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
Its kinda sad how desperate WWE is for ideas and storylines they have to resort to this...and the worst part is the worst(stupidest)part is yet to come .... :doh: but i guess WWE is a much about wrestling as MTV is about music
Why do you think they call it "Sports Entertainment" instead of wrestling and call their talent "Superstars" instead of "Wrestlers"? Its because they prefer to focus on microphone work and storylines instead of the wrestling. Heck, they've even banned so many moves that its not funny and they might as well do away with the cruiserweight division entirely, and a lot of the hate toward Cena's in-ring ability is undeserved because he's not allowed to show what he can really do. (He was a LOT better in the ring when he was on Smackdown, because back then he was allowed to use more moves; the Throwback was a regular part of his arsenal and I think he's used it maybe 3 times in the last year.....)
A true diva has died today. Sensational Sherri has passed away at the age of 49. Damn.
And on to sadder news
QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.
Tonight's Raw on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family. WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy.
This sucks big time. I loved Benoit and am going to miss him.
R.I.P Chris Benoit.
Quote from: General Jerky on June 25, 2007, 03:34:34 PM
And on to sadder news
QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.
Tonight's Raw on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family. WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy.
This sucks big time. I loved Benoit and am going to miss him.
R.I.P Chris Benoit.
Just to note that Chris's wife Nancy who use to work for WCW and ECW as Woman as well as their son Daniel were also found dead. Police are investigating the circumstances of the death.
this is very very tragic and terrible :(
:(
This is really sad...
Dude, I am so crushed right now. There are 3 scenarios I can think of. 1) Someone broke in and killed them, 2) gas leak where they accidently died or 3) domestic issue like the Hartman's. Any of them is truly tragic. This just sucks. But, for once, Vince is showing some class and not going on with a ridiculous angle. He's actually allowing his employees go home and grieve.
Hmm... I wonder if Vince and the WWE knew last night about this. Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro( Sacramento's own) in the ECW championship match because Benoit had to rush back home for personal issues. Seems weird.
Benoit had to leave the house shows and ppv because his wife and kid were really ill and throwing up blood. There hasnt been much info except that he did not die of gunshot. So out of all of them I would guess 2.
The really sad thing is watching this WWE special I keep hearing about his children, as in plural. I truely feel sorry for his other children who lost their father, mother and brother :(
He had two sons who weren't in the house at the time. I think it was a gas leak, which might explain the throwing up blood the previous day. This is a sad day, Chris Benoit was a great wrestler and I'll miss him. He was fun to watch and this coming so soon after Eddie must be a great blow. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.
Where is this gas leak and throwing up blood stuff coming from? Because all the stuff I've read, the most credible being from AP.....point at it as being a murder-suicide with Benoit being the killer and no guns being involved. No official\credible source I've read has said anything about why Benoit didn't do the PPV except saying it was for "personal reasons", and considering I visit a couple wrestling boards with hundreds of posters, you'd think someone would have mentioned it already.
I do hope the gas leak thing is true, but I can't see why Benoit and his family would stay in the house and not go to hospital for treatment if they were that sick....
And his surviving children are a son and daughter, not two sons, if my memory is correct.
a surviving son, daughter and a step-son (from Nancy's marriage to Kevin Sullivan)
I've heard an early report saying something about Benoit rushing up to care for Nancy and Daniel and that they were throwing up blood.
However, I have since heard some other stuff about the investigation. The crime scene is about 45 minutes to an hour from me. (mostly due to Atlanta traffic.)
They are waiting to confirm the cause of death till what I am assuming is the preliminary autopsy report tomorrow afternoon. It appears to be a murder suicide or at least it will be ruled that way regardless of what actually happened there.
sadly it was a murder suicide from what every news source ive seen has said truly this is a sad day for all involved no matter the why .ive been watching wrestling for 25 yrs of my 32 yr life benoit was always one of my favorites sad to see him go sadder to hear how he went sadder still knowing who went with him . god has his reasons
Wow, this is truly shocking news...
It gets worse. I got this from another board, and if you know Wade Keller he usually makes sure he gets his facts straight before releasing anything:
Keller's Audio Update
-He said it is being reported he suffocated his wife and son, perhaps a day apart. And then hung himself. Late Sunday night, he sent a strange text message to a person within the WWE. The police broke into the house at 2:30 pm today and found them in separate rooms.
-Vince called all the wrestlers backstage this afternoon for an emergency meeting. Wrestler were already bawling and crying. A longtime WWE wrestler said it was the most emotional state he's ever seen the wrestlers.
-There was a really uneasy feeling Sunday. Everybody felt something was wrong.
-One wrestler said "It was bound to happen". There was a strong suspicion backstage that Benoit did this right away. There was also a suspicion that Nancy had done it. They had a volatile relationship and everyone knew it.
-Hardly anybody backstage really knew Benoit. He had a very small inner circle that one time included Eddy Guerrero and recently included Chavo Guerrero. But even they had a certain psychological distance from Benoit. Everyone could tell that something wasn't right lately with Benoit.
-He said that he was a very nice and pleasant person to be around, but a person close to Benoit said that Chris had "snap potential".
-A lot of steroids were found in the Benoit household, and Benoit has had bouts with "roid rages". WWE may suffer publicly because of their unenforced "Wellness Policy".
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I should mention here that at another board I go to, someone said Keller later added that the person who received the strange text message from Benoit was, in fact, Chavo Guerrero and the current plan is apparently not to do anymore tributes to Benoit (I assume that means ECW and Smackdown will go on as usual rather than them being tribute shows like RAW was, not that they won't be doing the usual picture with birth and death dates opening they do when someone dies). The only good news out of all this is that it looks like they're also dropping the incredibly stupid Mr. McMahon angle, too.
If Keller's information is true, I'm going to be sick if the mods at the other board I mentioned don't put a stop to the RIP Benoit sigs and banners, because they should be RIH Benoit sigs and banners if its true.
Thats was a low blow and not needed. Whether its suicide, murder or a murder that only looks like a suicide is up to the Police to figure out. Whether he rests in peace or in hell is up to God to decide, not us. He was a good person and did do some good things in his life that he needs to be remembered for.
Keep religion out of it lads.
this is just wow i dont know what to think i'm torn
Apparently just about all mention of Benoit has been removed from the WWE's website, beyond anything on the front page. All of his merchandise is unavailable for purchase on Shopzone, and they've even gone so far to remove any mention of him that the Wrestlemania XX main event description now reads "Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels". However, it looks like there is a now a TON of Benoit items for sale on eBay (not put on there by the WWE, mind you), according to someone at another board I visit.
And, DMenacer, its NOT a low blow. Just about every reputable source is saying that it was a case of murder-suicide and the only site I can think of that isn't is about as believable as the Weekly World News. It would be disrespectful to Daniel and Nancy (aka Woman) to put up anything in memory of Benoit under the circumstances, if you think about it. In case you haven't been reading up on it, one of the people he killed was his own 7 year old son, which makes the whole thing even more horrible.
Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers, but I do not think I'll ever be able to watch any of his matches again without being disgusted......
I'm not disgusted, but I understand how you feel GM. I too was a fan. This is just horrible. But, we don't know what set him off. Not saying it was justified, just his mental state was skewed at the time, I guess. It really is tragic.
I don't watch wrestling any more. I haven't watched it for years. Ms_MJB and and even banned it from being watched by the children because of how "mature" the WWE was getting.
At any time before today if you had asked me what my favorite matches were I would have surely listed a few by Benoit. He was by far one of my favorite WCW alums.
After hearing the details they have released concerning what happened to his family I no longer want to think of him in any kind of positive light. Heck the thought that the kids still have 3 Benoit action figures makes me sick.
I don't want this to turn into some big discussion or flame war. These are my opinions.
-MJB
I said I was not going to open my mouth about this any more than I have. I've been bombarded by a lot of information over the past day and a half or so about this case. Some of it before it came out to the media and the public. I've had to be the one to notify a couple of close friends of both Chris's and Nancy's. I've offered myself to be a sympathic ear to a few other of Chris's friends. This matter has sickened me on a level that a lot of you here will not be able to understand.
I've read the posts here. Particularly yours, GM. I understand your anger and disgust. However, I do not agree with a certain part of your analysis of the situation.
To me, the wrestler known as Chris Benoit died June 19th, 2007. His last match was against Elijah Burke and was broadcast on the Sci-Fi channel. Chris Benoit, the wrestler, will be remember for numerous great matches that he had over the length of his career.
The private individual Chris Benoit went home after that show and, through some turn of events that I doubt the public will ever be aware of, he killed his family then himself. Over the hours since the bodies were found and in the days and weeks ahead, a lot has come out and will continue to come out. However, we will not know what truly happened. We will not what happened inside their home in the past week. We will not know what was going through his mind the past months or even years. I'm fine with this. There is a lot that I wish I did not already know.
One thing I have learned about the pro-wrestling business over the years is that the professional career and the personal life of the character are often separate things. However, it's hard to separate something so heinous from what was a respectable and legendary career. I hope in time that fan will be able to do that. I hope fans will be able to look by at his career instead of his downfall.
So yeah, RIP Chris Benoit the wrestler. RIP Nancy "Woman" Daus. RIP Daniel Benoit.
As for Chris Benoit the man. Knowing your beliefs, your actions have left me sick. It is disgusting that you've left such a black mark on your respectable career and that you've taken the lives of your family.
I hope we as fans are stronger than you and can look back someday on the good parts of your career instead of the negative way it ended.
I have to agree with Mr Hamrick on this point. As an avid fan of wrestling for years, one of my all time favorites to watch was Chris Benoit. He put everything he had into his matches and hardly ever disappointed the fans. What has happened infuriates and disgusts me, but I can't just forget all the memorable years that Benoit has entertained me with his skill and prowess in the ring. Neither should the WWE. Though I understand why they are.
What he has done in his personal life is a mystery to me. Why he did what he did, I will never know. Do I consider the wrestler the same person that just murdered his wife and kid? No. As fans of wrestling, we tend to confuse the characters for the people they are in their everyday life. The characters are what we find ourselves becoming fans of, not the person. You can be a fan of Kane, The Big Red Machine, but are you a fan of Glenn Jacobs? There is the difference. Does the average fan even know anything about him?
My thoughts and prayers go out to the extended families on both sides of this tragedy. I am a fan of Chris Benoit, the wrestler not the man. I will miss watching him perform. I hate Chris Benoit, the man, for making me try to explain this to my 8 year old son. I hate how this man could take the life of a child.
RIP....Nancy
RIP....Daniel
RIP....the legend that was "The Crippler" Chris Benoit
I just foudn this on another site, thought id post it here aswell
QuoteSource: Pwinsider (Wrestling site) & FoxNews The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead. The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment. wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. "I chat with other editors on IRC -- Internet relay chat -- and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning," said Bass. "I called and left a message with the police department." It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. However, wikipedia tracks IPs, time and exactly what was written on the website, so this wouldn't have been a case of a hoax created afer the fact. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.
This *could* change the entire face of the investigation, while the chances aren't huge, perhaps this can shed new light to the case. I mean it was from Stamford Connecticut and this was posted 14 hours before the bodies were found. I still do not believe Benoit would have done this to his family.
in short, the death of nancy benoit was posted before she was actually found - and it wasnt from anywhere near were Chris Benoit was.
Well, apparently the whole Wikipedia thing (wherein news of Nancy's death was reported in her Wiki entry hours before her body was found) has been confirmed as just one unfortunate (and downright creepy) coincidence (read the article here (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_mystery_editor_confesses:_Claims_%22terrible_coincidence%22)). Investigators tracked down the location of the person who edited the entry and the anonymous editor issued a full apology, stating that he/she had no knowledge of the deaths as they were happening, and only posted the news of Nancy's death as a prank.
The funny/sad thing about this is that no major news outlets are reporting this (especially not FOX News, who broke the whole wiki story), and I'm pretty sure the idea that somebody had known about the Benoit family deaths before the police did will persist as urban myth.
Getting off the subject of the Benoit murder-suicide....
Antonio Inoki left New Japan to form his own Inoki Genome Federation (yes, the name sucks), and they held their first show June 29th. One of the matches on the card was Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle. If anyone wants to see that match, shoot me an e-mail.
It was a decent match. Wasn't as good as the botched moonsault match from a few years ago, but was decent.
You all probaly know this by now but found this on a site for anyone who cares
Quote
WWE SIGNS CONTROVERSIAL THIRD GENERATION STAR
by Mike Johnson @ 11:59:00 AM on 7/10/2007
World Wrestling Entertainment has signed Teddy Hart to a developmental deal. Hart has already reported to Florida Championship Wrestling in Tampa, Florida.
The controversial but extremely charismatic and talented Hart was the talk of the Internet at various times in recent years for antics in Ring of Honor, TNA, Jersey All Pro Wrestling and MLW, among other promotions.
Hart, 27, is the grandson of Stu Hart and the son of wrestler BJ Annis and Georgia Hart. His cousins Nattie Neidhart and Harry Smith are also under WWE deals and in Florida, as is long-time friend and opponent TJ Wilson.
So, how long do you think he'll last in developmental before he gets the boot?
*edit* By the way, its also rumored that the WWE is considering bringing back X-Pac, and apparently Maven came out of the closet recently.
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 11, 2007, 06:52:10 PM
So, how long do you think he'll last in developmental before he gets the boot?
*edit* By the way, its also rumored that the WWE is considering bringing back X-Pac, and apparently Maven came out of the closet recently.
Actually, I don't think he will be in development long. This is mainly because I think he and TJ and Harry and Nattie will be brought up as a "New Hart Foundation". I know there are parties really wanting that including a few names in the previous sentence.
Teddy just needs to be a good boy and not piss anyone off.
Edge tore a pec....
Battle Royale on smackdown for the belt....
The winner?
[spoiler]The Great Khali[/spoiler]
:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Quote from: Verfall on July 17, 2007, 06:26:39 PM
Edge tore a pec....
Battle Royale on smackdown for the belt....
The winner?
[spoiler]The Great Khali[/spoiler]
:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
*sigh* Part of me wants to say it could be worse. After all, the winner could have been [spoiler]Mark Henry, and I don't even know if he was in the match or not, as I haven't seen spoilers for the show yet[/spoiler], but I can't.
I guess this means they're even more likely to be jobbing at GAB now.....
actually, i can't see them leaving the title on him that long. if for no other reason than who would they work him against. He can't sell a move hardly.
bloody hell that title is friggen crused
By the way, they've changed the match that the winner was supposed to be in at GAB to a 3-way match against [spoiler]Kane[/spoiler] and Batista.
Hopefully, the person in the spoiler will win the match, but I doubt it.
This slipped in under my radar...
... John Kronus passed away on the 18th.
:(
This is just.....
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Read the results for the Great American Bash, as well as a few comments by people at a message board I go to and Dave Meltzer's comments on the Cena\Lashley match, and I can't believe the booking!!!
Comments, including a few results spoilers:
[spoiler]The ONLY matches that turned out how I wanted were the Women's and WWE title matches.
The following results are completely idiotic:
The Cruiserweight battle royal was won by.....Hornswoggle, who wasn't even supposed to be in the match. Apparently he came out from under the ring. This makes the cruiserweight title look even more worthless if the win stands.
John Morrison (Johnny Nitro) retained the ECW Title. Why? The new name sucks, and so does the gimmick from what I've heard. This is just another case of the WWE throwing in the fans' faces when they have to know the majority of fans want the belt on CM Punk. Hopefully he will win the title at Summerslam, if not before.
The Bullrope match between Dusty Rhodes and Randy Orton was kept fairly short, and was pretty much a squash. Understandable considering Dusty's age and they're trying to build up Orton again, but there apparently was no blood whatsoever. Bullrope matches are supposed to involve someone bleeding. Hopefully Dusty and\or Cody will get a piece of Resthold Randy on RAW, but I doubt it.
And, worst of all:
KHALI RETAINS!!! Yes, Giant Gonzalez 2007 is still the champ. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever since he may actually be the least talented wrestler (and I use the term "wrestler" very loosely here) to set foot in a WWE ring.
And one other comment:
MVP seriously needs a new finisher. He botched his Yakuza Kick, hitting Matt Hardy in the chest instead of the head, then apparently botched his finisher (which completely sucks to begin with) before getting the pin.
I think I've figured it out: since they're using the name of a WCW PPV, they're intentionally booking the GAB to be crap to make most of their other PPVs look better by comparison. Gotta be the only logical explanation. (Not that "logic" or "WWE" belong anywhere in the same paragraph)
[/spoiler]
TNA has apparently signed, or is trying to sign, Test. The interesting thing is, the WWE can't really stop him from using that name, as he had his name legally changed to Andrew "Test" Martin a long time ago.
And they've also signed Adam "Pacman" Jones! :blink:
Well another well known wrestler has died ...Brian "Crush" Adams was found dead in his home not sure what the cause is yet he was only 44 ... :(
Yep, lost a bet too. I was just sure Raven was going to be the next one. Not trying to be a jerk, but it's like a car crash now. I'm very worried about Angle and Raven. Angle more, because he just seems to be so intense all the time. Plus, what's gonna happen when the spotlight is not on him? Raven just seems to go with it. He's probably getting stronger from his "personal demons". Ohh, Jeff Hardy is another possibility on the Dead Man Walking list.
As far as taking bets on whos next the trend latley seems to be guys in their mid 40s ....Benoit,Adams,Eddie Guerrero etc... sucks when any of them have to go so early plus when Scott Steiner almost met an untimely end in puerto rico recently its only a matter of time before another one goes to that big wrestling ring in the sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pPa9CgVqPw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pPa9CgVqPw)
Elmo vs Vegeta. Elmo lands a Canadian Destroyer. Yah.
sadly that was the best wrestling match ive seen in a while
Just wondering if anyone here collects wrestling masks or just has any?
I bought a commercial quality (ie, fan support) green Jushin Liger mask off eBay a few months back, and plan to buy a few more masks eventually. (I really want a La Parka and an Ultimo Dragon - maybe a Dr. Wagner Jr, as well)
Greetings! WWE fans! Just curious to as who do you think can beat the Great Khali for the WWE World Heavy Weight Championship? Who do you want to see the Great Khali fight next? :cool:
For me, I would probably like to see Mark Henry fight the Great Khali and see who would win the match. ^_^ But...that could take a while since i believe Mark Henry is on smackdown right now. :P
Both Khali and Henry are one Smackdown, so that shouldn't be a problem. I think Rey should be the one.
Ooh, check the spoilers for smackdown all. I am the winner.
The WWE has apparently suspended 10 wrestlers for violating the wellness policy. They've said that its been their policy not to name names but as of November 1st, anyone violating the policy WILL be named. Of the 10 suspended, its a first time suspension for 9 of them (30 days), second time for 1 (60 days). The suspensions are without pay.
I hope Randy Orton is one of them.....
Here's an interesting article listing what drugs some WWE have been caught using in the past:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/08/30/wrestlers/index.html
it's actually 14, and they were named on ESPN.
Edge, Orton, Haas, Helms, Kennedy, Supernova, Santino, Batista, Chavo, John Morrison, King Booker, Funaki, Masters and Will Regal.
The name that caught me off guard was Batista. I mean, how could you even think he was using anything? Look at that guys body. Does that look like the body of someone using muscle enhancements?
Seriously, a lot of the meds are pain releivers. Soma helps the pain. These guys get hurt. Are they not supposed to take anything? They have to be careful with the soma and drinking though. It becomes a poison. I believe that's how Louie Spiccolli died.
Wow wow wow! Nova, gone. Eugene, gone. Cryme Tyme, gone. Umaga will probably lose tommorrow night vs Hardy and Morrisson finally lost the belt. Big, weekend for us.
I'm not surprised Bucci is gone - they obviously didn't want the man who invented every wrestling move there is around anymore - :P - but Eugene and Cryme Tyme being released does surprise me.
Frankly, I'm glad Eugene is gone, because it means that Nick Dinsmore can go somewhere else and wrestle without the mentally handicapped gimmick and that the WWE can potentially bring him back without at it some point (`Hi! I'm Eugene's normal twin brother Nick who he and Uncle Eric never bothered to mention!').
Cryme Tyme was apparently released because of something that happened at a house show, but I don't know the full details. I'm shocked, and not too thrilled, that Cryme Tyme are gone, because I had them pegged as future tag champions and Shad shows potential to be a fairly good singles wrestler some day.
nick dinsmore was the one who came up with the whole mentally handicapped idea and pitched it to vince. so i dont think he'll drop it
Why is Chuck Palumbo using Biker Takers old gimmick?
Quote from: thanoson on September 03, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
Why is Chuck Palumbo using Biker Takers old gimmick?
supposedly because Palumbo is a bike enthusiast in real life
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 03, 2007, 07:29:44 AM
nick dinsmore was the one who came up with the whole mentally handicapped idea and pitched it to vince. so i dont think he'll drop it
I hated Eugene because of the whole mentally handicapped thing. I'm glad he's gone...It's a mockery.
The results of the examination of Benoit's brain were revealed; he had severe brain damage due to all the concussions and whatnot he had suffered during his career. He was 40, but they said his brain resembled that of an 85 year old man with Alzheimer's.
They've released the roster for Raw vs. Smackdown 2008, and there are quite a few surprises and disappointments. As expected, Benoit isn't in the game. I'm putting the rest of my roster comments in a spoiler tag, and I'm only giving my opinions, not listing the full roster.
[spoiler]No RVD, but Sabu is in the game! :)
Kelly Kelly and Maria are in, but Kelly Kelly is playable why Maria is not. Makes absolutely no sense because Maria has actually had matches, why Kelly Kelly is just a frickin' stripper.
Yo Yo Yo! Grab your 40s and check your Rollies! Its Cryme Tyme! (I hope they get re-signed fast, like Boogeyman was when was released)
No Cade and Murdoch, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Charlie Haas or Shelton Benjamin.
Despite not being used much, Marcus Cor Von is in, yet Kevin Thorn is not and he's been on just about every episode of ECW. Kenny Dykstra is in, despite not being on tv much at all since the Spirit Squad was disbanded and his feud with Flair ended.
Weakest women's roster in a while. Should have left Jillian Hall in and put Victoria back in, but they didn't.
The Legends list kinda sucks:
Bret Hart
Mick Foley
Rick Rude
Rowdy Roddy Piper
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Terry Funk
Doesn't look like Tazz or Jerry Lawler will playable again, so far.
Personally, I'm disappointed that Kevin Thorn isn't in and would have preferred it if they had removed Torrie Wilson and put Victoria back in.
Next year, I am hoping for Kevin Thorn, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Jimmy Wang Yang, and Trish Stratus (as a Legend) in the 2009 edition.
The Nintendo DS is getting Hardcore Holly as an exclusive wrestler (meaning I feel sorry for DS owners), while the PSP is getting Eddie Guerrero, Sgt. Slaughter and Jim Neidhart as exclusives. They're talking about having extra, downloadable wrestlers for the next-gen systems, but so far I believe its just a rumor over at IGN so far.[/spoiler]
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 06, 2007, 05:21:30 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 03, 2007, 07:29:44 AM
nick dinsmore was the one who came up with the whole mentally handicapped idea and pitched it to vince. so i dont think he'll drop it
I hated Eugene because of the whole mentally handicapped thing. I'm glad he's gone...It's a mockery.
Ditto.
I really want to see some downloadable wrestlers on the next gen systems!
Question: Is the Great Khali actually trying to get out of his contract? I ask because of the end of tonight's broadcast with that Claw. If he had applied full pressure, he could have killed Rey.
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 06, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
The results of the examination of Benoit's brain were revealed; he had severe brain damage due to all the concussions and whatnot he had suffered during his career. He was 40, but they said his brain resembled that of an 85 year old man with Alzheimer's.
Wow! :blink: Didn't knew that one. Most of the rumors i've heard around here is that it was the result of a drug abuse, that Benoit lost it. :(
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 06, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
They've released the roster for Raw vs. Smackdown 2008, and there are quite a few surprises and disappointments. As expected, Benoit isn't in the game. I'm putting the rest of my roster comments in a spoiler tag, and I'm only giving my opinions, not listing the full roster.
[spoiler]No RVD, but Sabu is in the game! :)
Kelly Kelly and Maria are in, but Kelly Kelly is playable why Maria is not. Makes absolutely no sense because Maria has actually had matches, why Kelly Kelly is just a frickin' stripper.
Yo Yo Yo! Grab your 40s and check your Rollies! Its Cryme Tyme! (I hope they get re-signed fast, like Boogeyman was when was released)
No Cade and Murdoch, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Charlie Haas or Shelton Benjamin.
Despite not being used much, Marcus Cor Von is in, yet Kevin Thorn is not and he's been on just about every episode of ECW. Kenny Dykstra is in, despite not being on tv much at all since the Spirit Squad was disbanded and his feud with Flair ended.
Weakest women's roster in a while. Should have left Jillian Hall in and put Victoria back in, but they didn't.
The Legends list kinda sucks:
Bret Hart
Mick Foley
Rick Rude
Rowdy Roddy Piper
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Terry Funk
Doesn't look like Tazz or Jerry Lawler will playable again, so far.
Personally, I'm disappointed that Kevin Thorn isn't in and would have preferred it if they had removed Torrie Wilson and put Victoria back in.
Next year, I am hoping for Kevin Thorn, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Jimmy Wang Yang, and Trish Stratus (as a Legend) in the 2009 edition.
The Nintendo DS is getting Hardcore Holly as an exclusive wrestler (meaning I feel sorry for DS owners), while the PSP is getting Eddie Guerrero, Sgt. Slaughter and Jim Neidhart as exclusives. They're talking about having extra, downloadable wrestlers for the next-gen systems, but so far I believe its just a rumor over at IGN so far.[/spoiler]
Hope 2008 is better than 2007. I mean the graphics were cool and everything.But I had a little bit of a hard time adjusting to the new controls though. And the slow loading time was a drag.
Quote from: Sword on September 07, 2007, 08:21:55 PM
Question: Is the Great Khali actually trying to get out of his contract? I ask because of the end of tonight's broadcast with that Claw. If he had applied full pressure, he could have killed Rey.
Really a mismatch from the start. I wanna see him do that to Mark Henry though. :P That is, if he can. :)
Quote from: thanoson on September 03, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
Why is Chuck Palumbo using Biker Takers old gimmick?
I was surprised with his new look too. ^_^ Thought it was some new guy at first. Well, it looks good on him though. I think he has more confidence too. A fresh new start for Samson! (of Samson and Delilah myth) ^_^
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 06, 2007, 05:21:30 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 03, 2007, 07:29:44 AM
nick dinsmore was the one who came up with the whole mentally handicapped idea and pitched it to vince. so i dont think he'll drop it
I hated Eugene because of the whole mentally handicapped thing. I'm glad he's gone...It's a mockery.
Well, Eugene's game has not been that good lately. I also think the mentally handicapped gimmik has sort of lost its appeal with the WWE audience. :wacko:
Hasn't been confirmed, but its rumored that the reason Eugene is gone is because Dinsmore is apparently the first wrestler to fail THREE drug tests under the wellness policy.
Keep in mind that hasn't been confirmed and is JUST a rumor as far as I know.
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 06, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
The results of the examination of Benoit's brain were revealed; he had severe brain damage due to all the concussions and whatnot he had suffered during his career. He was 40, but they said his brain resembled that of an 85 year old man with Alzheimer's.
Just a mini-rant on how the results of that alleged study are being reported in the media:
I'm quite dubious of the implications being suggested by the Institute that did the examination, that somehow, Benoit's multiple concussions were a significant enough factor in the grisly murder-suicide involving his family (that said, I haven't read the actual report or seen the scans, only the media reports). Sure, it's a commonly-known fact that brain trauma can and does result in altered executive and cognitive functioning leading to pronounced changes in personality, mood, outlook, and even dementia, but it seems like the emphasis is being placed squarely on the brain trauma as the triggering factor for the crime (at least from how the media has reported the results). What you don't see being reported is the much larger number of athletes (football players, boxers, full-contact martial artists, rugby players, and yes, wrestlers) who do suffer from multiple concussions and never exhibit any signs of psychosis or heretofore-unrevealed homicidal intent. The fact that Benoit's family commissioned the study makes me more leery of the results of the study, it seems as much an attempt to clear Benoit of any culpability in the crime as it is to conduct a thorough scientific investigation.
Can multiple concussions lead to permanent brain damage that alters a person's psychological functioning? Of course, no question. What I'm questioning is the examiner's (irresponsible) assertion that the damage was such that it contributed to Benoit's criminal behaviour (the link between the two is circumstantial at best), and making the careless comparison to Alzheimer's disease sufferers (on the basis of the finding of amyloid plaques in Benoit's brain) whilst juxtaposing it with the crime is just another example of bad science (or maybe bad science press reporting). It paints a picture that people suffering from dementia, whether, trauma-induced or Alzheimer's induced are at higher risk for violent crime when it's clearly not the case.
Rant over. We now return you to your regular, wrestling-oriented programming. :lol:
just throwing this out, a lot of media and news sites are ignoring this but what was benoit's two signature moves. the cross face and dun dun duh the diving headbutt. not saying thats the cause or that its correct what the media is saying just throwing it out.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 09, 2007, 12:32:37 PM
just throwing this out, a lot of media and news sites are ignoring this but what was benoit's two signature moves. the cross face and dun dun duh the diving headbutt. not saying thats the cause or that its correct what the media is saying just throwing it out.
Oh, the diving headbutt is the first thing I thought of when I saw the results.
Regarding Zuludelta's comments, no one in their right mind is using the brain damage to excuse Benoit for what he did, by the way, and its most likely its not the only reason he did what he did but is a contributing factor to it.
Ok, this is all assuming Benoit actually connected with the headbutt, which I doubt because he never did.
Quote from: zuludelta on September 08, 2007, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 06, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
The results of the examination of Benoit's brain were revealed; he had severe brain damage due to all the concussions and whatnot he had suffered during his career. He was 40, but they said his brain resembled that of an 85 year old man with Alzheimer's.
Just a mini-rant on how the results of that alleged study are being reported in the media:
I'm quite dubious of the implications being suggested by the Institute that did the examination, that somehow, Benoit's multiple concussions were a significant enough factor in the grisly murder-suicide involving his family (that said, I haven't read the actual report or seen the scans, only the media reports). Sure, it's a commonly-known fact that brain trauma can and does result in altered executive and cognitive functioning leading to pronounced changes in personality, mood, outlook, and even dementia, but it seems like the emphasis is being placed squarely on the brain trauma as the triggering factor for the crime (at least from how the media has reported the results). What you don't see being reported is the much larger number of athletes (football players, boxers, full-contact martial artists, rugby players, and yes, wrestlers) who do suffer from multiple concussions and never exhibit any signs of psychosis or heretofore-unrevealed homicidal intent. The fact that Benoit's family commissioned the study makes me more leery of the results of the study, it seems as much an attempt to clear Benoit of any culpability in the crime as it is to conduct a thorough scientific investigation.
Can multiple concussions lead to permanent brain damage that alters a person's psychological functioning? Of course, no question. What I'm questioning is the examiner's (irresponsible) assertion that the damage was such that it contributed to Benoit's criminal behaviour (the link between the two is circumstantial at best), and making the careless comparison to Alzheimer's disease sufferers (on the basis of the finding of amyloid plaques in Benoit's brain) whilst juxtaposing it with the crime is just another example of bad science (or maybe bad science press reporting). It paints a picture that people suffering from dementia, whether, trauma-induced or Alzheimer's induced are at higher risk for violent crime when it's clearly not the case.
Rant over. We now return you to your regular, wrestling-oriented programming. :lol:
It may be circumstantial, but with the lack of a suicide note, and the fact drugs have basically been ruled out, as has the idiotic idea of "roid rage", the extent of his head trauma is now the best evidence they have. I read an article that mentioned the 2 NFL players that committed suicide over the past few years had not suffered from the amount of trauma in their autopsies that Benoit had. Chris Nowinski has basically dedicated his life to the effects of multiple concussions, and alot of the evidence he has dug up has pointed to the fact a person with an outrageous amount of concussions, we're talking 10+, can end up doing things like self harm and even homicide.
It may not be much, but right now it's the best they have.
Getting really fed up with the WWE. The reveal of who Vince's illegitimate son is was stupid, and now they've released Sandman.
TNA is bringing in yet another former WWE wrestler who won't draw. I don't think anyone will be too upset if I don't put it in spoilers. Its Rikishi, and he's going to be called "Junior Fatu". :thumbdown:
Yeah, Fatu rocks. :thumbdown: Goldberg is mad because they didnt pick him but picked Pacman instead, which was lame as all can be. Though, I'm happy Goldberg is not on my tv. That guy stinks.
Goldberg doesn't stink. He was quite good on the series about cars on the History Channel and as the host of Bullrun. :P
TNA has several wrestlers lamer than Goldberg. Like Robert Roode, Tomko, and Kip James, for example.
I'd list WWE wrestlers lamer than Goldberg, but I don't feel listing half their roster, thank you very much.
On the one hand, I wouldn't mind seeing Goldberg vs. Kurt Angle or Goldberg vs. Abyss, which would be good matches. But on the other hand, Samoa Joe has been jobbing to Angle enough as it is; he doesn't need to be jobbing to Goldberg, too.
The only thing TNA really has going for it at the moment is a lack of Jeff Jarrett sucking up screen time and going over people who should rightfully be pinning him or making him tap out.
Sadly though, all 3 of the wrestlers you mentioned could wrestle rings around Goldberg. Even Jarret. Intensity is not everything to a character. His moveset never changed from the 4 moves of doom; clothesline, spear, Jackhammer stomp. Every match was the same. I'm gonna let you beat me down for a bit, I start no selling, spear and Jackhammer for the pin. Never any change. Now, it would be cool to see Christian figure out ways to beat him over and over again.
hornswoggle, what in the blue blazes
I guess going for a humor angle. We'll see. I feel this will go the way of the Mae Young baby hand angle. Heh, I thought Russo worked for TNA?
just read on wwe.com John Cena was injured and will be out a few months and has to surrender the title so there will be a new champ come No Mercy PPV
who could it be??
It should be Randy Orton (fighting Kennedy maybe?), but who knows they'll probably draft Khali to Raw and give him the belt :banghead:
save_us.222
savior_self
:bunny :bunny :bunny
well since HHH already has a match with umaga probably wont be him and i dont think Orton/Kennedy would be a good draw for a main event for a PPV since they both heels if anyone should be drafted from SD to Raw for a suprise title match it should be the "dead man"
If the rumors regarding save_us.222 are correct, I'm going to be extremely happy!
[spoiler]JERICHOHOLIC 4 LIFE!!![/spoiler]
The idea of Orton as champion again makes me ill.
A rumor going around that I hope isn't true is that they're considering moving Umaga to Smackdown and Mark Henry to RAW. I hope its just a rumor.....
the latest is the whole saviour thing is actually hbk
Well the save_us.222 thing was pointing at a Jericho return but the 8.2.11/savior_self is indeed pointing at HBK or maybe at the "new" Hart Foundation, since it kinda means "HBK save yourself" and the 10th anniversary of the Montreal screwjob is coming, but no matter I'm still hoping for Chirs Jericho to come back, it would be so awesome to have him win the title this sunday. What's really whack though is that those two 15 seconds cryptic videos have more folks buzzing and talking than anything else in pro wrestling right now (hehe).
I'm still thinking Orton will win the WWE title I just don't know who he would fight, unless they draft the Undertaker to Raw, Taker in not booked for No Mercy right? I could see that happening, but not sure I want to see Orton/Taker again...
Orton's a skrull. Err, wait, wrong forum. Hmm... who could Orton fight? I hope Jerico. That entrance would just blow the roof off the house. With Kane and Taker both on Smackdown, one of them needs to leave. Taker hasn't been on Raw's roster for what, 5 years? But, I'm really tired of him. Bring back the dragon summoning leader of the Ministry of Darkness. Make him evil again. Give him a stable to work with again.
Cena's going to be out 6 months to a year. :thumbdown:
If they put the title on Orton.... :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
According to what I've heard, HBK may not be coming back any time soon, so I doubt the clues in the video point to an HBK return, but it very well could have something to do with the New Hart Foundation.
Heck, for all we know, they could be called Hart Foundation 2.0 and be brought in by Chris Jericho.....
actually, GM, you could be on to something there. Jericho did train in the Hart Family Dungeon. it would make sense that he might bring them in. However, if I recall, they had wanted Bret to introduce them at one point. Jim said that he would willing to do it if Bret wasn't available. It wouldn't surprise me though to see Jericho do it as he is a bigger name.
TJ has been rather mum on the subject. Until he was introduced as part of the stable in FCW a little over a week ago, he was left with the impression that it was going to be Nattie, Harry, and Teddy. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if he is just playing dumb on the subject.
Then again, TJ and I don't really talk about WWE stuff much usually.
I just hope they don't bring them in as heels. They could easily feud with Vince as faces since he's a heel and always will be as far as the Montreal Screwjob is concerned. And according to what I've heard HBK just doesn't want to come back right now because he doesn't need the money and is spending time with his family, so they won't be doing anything with him for a while. Plus, Nattie is too cute to be a heel - and you can tell her I said so!
i would be shocked to see them brought in as heels as Stephanie is adamantly against them coming in as heels. She feels that they'd be more over as faces initially.
and I will be happy to tell TJ and Nattie that you think Nattie is pretty.
The fact she came from the Anvil blows my mind. Who'd have thunk Neidhart had genes that great?!
She gets it from mother. But believe me, she got a few things from her dad. She can laugh just like him.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on October 03, 2007, 04:48:51 PM
She gets it from mother. But believe me, she got a few things from her dad. She can laugh just like him.
If they don't bring in the Anvil with them in some role, then they
have to let her use that laugh!!
Another possibility for the Vacant title match could be Bobby Lashley i know he was injured but he has been gone a while. But all things being as they are im sick of WWE anyways their stories are stale and the action isnt any better but since i dont have cable tv at the moment i cant watch any. TNA will start their 2 hour shows tonight hopefully they will be able to get some more big names to fill in the extra time. And if they bring back the Hart Foundation in any form ill probably puke just another sad attempt to recycle an old concept if thats the case bring back the Horsemen and a 4th version of the N.W.O. :thumbdown:
mabye ive just been watching wrestling for too long mabye 25 yrs is enough lol
Quote from: ubergreendragon on October 04, 2007, 04:29:46 AM
And if they bring back the Hart Foundation in any form ill probably puke just another sad attempt to recycle an old concept if thats the case bring back the Horsemen and a 4th version of the N.W.O. :thumbdown:
mabye ive just been watching wrestling for too long mabye 25 yrs is enough lol
I've been watching wrestling for as long as you have and I'm going to go out on a limb and disagree with you here. Harry, Nattie, and Teddy who they are. Sure, it'd make more sense if Bret had a kind in the business but he doesn't and I don't believe will. It'd also make more sense if TJ Wilson was in as part of the stable. He is currently a part of it down in FCW but no word on if they plan on bringing him up with them. To represent them as who they are, which is the third generation of The Hart Family to be involved with the business, is not an attempt to recycle an old concept.
"ME WANT TITLE MATCH!!" :lol:
Jericho's new finisher kind of sucks, considering its one of Gregory Helms' moves and Shark Boy has also used it, but not as a finisher.
I hope he still busts out a submission move on occasion but goes back to the Liontamer. The standard Boston Crab (more or less) Walls of Jericho sucked.
:( I used to love wrestling so much but I hate John Cena. And that's all it is. The most popular guy wins 99% of the time. So if you actually like a cool wrestler like Edge or someone, you just get to see him get beat despite him being a billion times better character than Cena. I know, it's just a matter of pleasing the majority. But I'd like to at least see some more variety in the champs. I can't stand non-stop John Cena. Does he still win every match?
He's off with and injury for at least 5 more months. Randy Orton is champ right now fueding with Jericho. And his new finisher does suck.
Wow. That's awesome. It still isn't worth watching over Heroes though!
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 28, 2007, 08:56:54 AM
"ME WANT TITLE MATCH!!" :lol:
Jericho's new finisher kind of sucks, considering its one of Gregory Helms' moves and Shark Boy has also used it, but not as a finisher.
I hope he still busts out a submission move on occasion but goes back to the Liontamer. The standard Boston Crab (more or less) Walls of Jericho sucked.
From what I understand the Codebreaker (love the name but yeah it's not the greatest finisher) is just one of the new moves Jericho wants to add to his arsenal, I'm pretty sure he'll still use the Lionsault again too and the Walls (or indeed the better looking Liontamer).
His new save_us.222 thights look awesome btw.
I hope he still gets in a mini-feud with Santino Morella while going after Orton's title though, Santino is hilarious as hell, he sure was outstaging Stone Cold a few weeks back which is kinda something.