http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/10849526.html
I don't have a problem with international heroes, organizations, or characters, but this is as bad as making Uhura in the new Star Trek movie white. G.I. Joe is, and always should be, an American hero. The article above makes it even worse, as you can read about the inspiration behind a toy, the man whose face was on the original G.I. Joe Marine--and the promise the toy company made him that is now being broken.
Of course, what they are doing with the villain is pretty bad too. . .
Did I miss something? What's wrong with the villain? Destro was a Scottish Arms dealer. So apparently the movie will focus on Destro as the main villain. Since they are apparently doing the movie inspired by the 80's cartoon & toy line, it really doesn't have anything to do with Mr. Paige's likeness used for the old figures. They hadn't used his likeness during the GIJoe vs. Cobra era and during that time, GIJoe didn't reference an actual person. It was an organization. And although a "Real American Hero", the GIJoe organization has been made up of international characters throughout the 80's series. If it takes moving the location to an international location to make it marketable for the rest of the world, I'm all for it. What says that there will be no American operatives? I'm just hoping they don't take away the crazy codenames and designs for the sake of grounding it in reality. Not much point of making a GIJoe movie if it becomes indistinguishable from such action/espionage fair as the Bourne Trilogy.
Okay so... GI Joe: A Real American Hero becomes Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity: Action Man.
...is it just me or does the latter sound like a very poorly translated anime title?
According to Wiki:
Quote[edit] Live-action film
Paramount has commissioned the development of a live-action G.I. Joe film following the success of the 2007 Transformers feature film. The film is being slated for a 2009 release date with Stephen Sommers as the director[2][3] and Stuart Beattie as the scriptwriter.[4] The film will feature an international task force based in New York[5] (previously Brussels)[6] called G.I.J.O.E, (a backronym for Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity), instead of the US-centric team featured in all previous incarnations, in order to internationally market the film.[2][6] The film will feature Destro and the Baroness as the main villains, the Dreadnoks as mercenaries and Cobra's hired muscle, and Cobra Commander in a "puppet master" role. Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow's rivalry will be one of the film's main plot points.[5]
A LITTLE better, but the name G.I. Joe is itself so American, it should still be an American organization with international members.
♪ They got a message from the Action Man:
"I'm happy, hope you're happy too.
I've loved all I've needed to love--
sordid details following." ♫
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Phantom Bunburyist and The Prat in the Hat
to heck with you all to me it will always be action force
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 29, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
to heck with you all to me it will always be action force
I agree TUE. Although I grew up with it as GIJoe, the international name has always been Action Force. I'm just happy they are considering incorporating GIJoe into the name even if it is an acronym. I really have no problem with them making it more global. Let's just hope they do a good job in representing the characters. Maybe it's time we speculate and nominate actors for the parts. :D
Quote from: Pyroclasm on October 29, 2007, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 29, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
to heck with you all to me it will always be action force
I agree TUE. Although I grew up with it as GIJoe, the international name has always been Action Force. I'm just happy they are considering incorporating GIJoe into the name even if it is an acronym. I really have no problem with them making it more global. Let's just hope they do a good job in representing the characters. Maybe it's time we speculate and nominate actors for the parts. :D
In Canada it was GI Joe: A Real Hero. Plus we got maple leafs to stick on the vehicles and such instead of stars. I don't see a problem with it being a global force. In fact with today's climate, it HAS to be a global force if its to be seen as the good guys and not a self-appointed police force.
QuotePlus we got maple leafs to stick on the vehicles and such instead of stars.
Bwuh? I never got those. Mine was always stars.
<--feels ripped off
Bah. Another movie based on toys. What's next? The Micronauts Movie? Gumby: Action Hero? Bah.
Used to be the toys were based on the movie. And I much prefer it that way...
(signed, The Old Curmudgeon) ;)
Quote from: BlueBard on October 29, 2007, 02:01:35 PM
Bah. Another movie based on toys. What's next? The Micronauts Movie? Gumby: Action Hero? Bah.
Used to be the toys were based on the movie. And I much prefer it that way...
(signed, The Old Curmudgeon) ;)
Someone obviously didn't see this then: http://www.impawards.com/1995/posters/gumby_the_movie.jpg
*teleports*
[edit] and just to prepare you now, there's talk of a second gumby movie. You may now attack hollywood. :P
Gumby started out as a tv show, I think. :P
I'm a bit older than most of you, so for me G.I. Joe is still the 12" figures with interchangeable outfits. Plus Mike Power - Atomic Man (http://www.adventure-gear.com/atclassic/atomic.htm) and Bulletman the Human Bullet! (http://www.adventure-gear.com/atclassic/bmanad.htm) :lol:
If I remember correctly G.I. Joe had bases all over the world, didn't they? So have a HQ outside the US doesn't bother me. Like before I hope they keep the code names and please say Yo Joe! in the movie.
What was that giant lizard that you would shoot in the sensor with a light? I remember that thing fighting the 12" Joe. Actually, a Rom: Spaceknight movie would be awesome.
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 30, 2007, 10:54:12 AM
If I remember correctly G.I. Joe had bases all over the world, didn't they? So have a HQ outside the US doesn't bother me. Like before I hope they keep the code names and please say Yo Joe! in the movie.
Sounds good to me. When I read the "stationed in Brussels" part, the first thing that came to me was a flashback to X-Com the game, and if anyone read the novel by Diane Duane, they had their base in Switzerland. Being stationed in Europe does seem to be appropriate. It also reminds me of UNIT from Doctor Who.
Bases around the world isn't a big deal, but the original ideal was that they were an international organization whose headquarters were in Brussels.
Quote from: GIJoe.comOctober 30, 2007
Message to G.I Joe Fans
Hasbro's G.I. Joe Team wanted to take this opportunity to clarify some of the facts regarding the G.I. Joe live-action movie that we are developing with Paramount Pictures.
First and foremost, we are not changing what the G.I. Joe brand is about. The name "G.I. Joe" will always be synonymous with bravery and heroism.
The G.I. Joe brand has enjoyed a successful 43-year history, spanning two key generations. The first was the line of 12-inch "realistic military" figures that were popular with kids in the 1960s and 1970s.
The second generation, was created in 1982, and is based on a cast of fictional heroes and villains that make up the "G.I. Joe vs. Cobra" fantasy. The premise of this fantasy is the story of the G.I. Joe team, led by Duke, and their "fight for freedom wherever there is trouble" against the evil Cobra Commander and his Cobra force. This storyline was an instant hit with kids in the early 1980s, spawning a highly popular 3-3/4-inch action figure line, comic book collection and animated series.
This movie will be a modern telling of the "G.I. Joe vs. Cobra" storyline and its compelling characters that Hasbro created 25 years ago. The G.I. Joe team will not be based in Brussels. Instead, they will be based out of the "Pit" as they were throughout the 1980s comic book series. And, in keeping with the G.I. Joe vs. Cobra fantasy, the movie will feature characters and locations from around the world. Duke, the lead character and head of the G.I. Joe team, will embody the values of bravery and heroism that the first generation of G.I. Joe figures established.
G.I. Joe is a very important property to Hasbro and we thank all of our fans for their enthusiasm. Without all of you, the brand would not be where it is today.
Thank you.
ironiclly this is the only board i've seen that dont mind the international changes, many are baying for blood, and i've even seen without getting too deep into politics that the changes are all the liberals hidden agendas lol
From what I've read, the movie will be centered on Snake Eyes. I'm assuming centered in the same way the X franchise was centered around Wolverine even with an ensemble cast. The main villains will be Destro & Baroness, with Cobra Commander in a behind the scenes role (think Emperor Palpatine). The movie is also said to rely heavily on Zartan and the Dreadnoks. I've always been a Cobra sympathizer, so let's hope they at least get the Cobras correct. Now I wonder who will play the Baroness? :wub:
It's funny that they called Duke the leader. I always thought he was, but in the comic it was Hawk, not Duke. I wonder if Sgt. Slaughter will make a appearance?
Quote from: Pyroclasm on October 31, 2007, 06:06:51 PM
From what I've read, the movie will be centered on Snake Eyes. I'm assuming centered in the same way the X franchise was centered around Wolverine even with an ensemble cast. The main villains will be Destro & Baroness, with Cobra Commander in a behind the scenes role (think Emperor Palpatine). The movie is also said to rely heavily on Zartan and the Dreadnoks. I've always been a Cobra sympathizer, so let's hope they at least get the Cobras correct. Now I wonder who will play the Baroness? :wub:
A fellow Cobra sympathizer! My favourite characters in the comics were always Storm-Shadow, Zartan, and the original three Dreadnoks (never really cared all that much for how Storm-Shadow and Zartan were portrayed in the cartoon, though).
Anyway, I don't really mind the liberties they've taken with the GI Joe team and it's make-up... the cartoon always struck me as fairly jingoistic pap anyway (even by 1980s standards). Also, people who are quick to scream that it's straying from the original material by making the team an international strike force are probably unaware of the origins of the GI Joe "characters" (as opposed to the toys).
In multiple interviews over the years, it's been revealed that the original GI Joe characters (Snake-Eyes, Scarlett, Hawk, Steeler, and a couple who would make later toy debuts, Tunnel-Rat and Leatherneck) were originally created by writer Larry Hama as a S.H.I.E.L.D. team (obviously operating under the United Nations like the rest of S.H.I.E.L.D.) called "Fury Force". Even the idea of them operating from a faux motor pool ("The Pit") was part of the original pitch. Contrary to popular belief, though, Cobra wasn't just a re-named Hydra, the concept were actually created by editor Archie Goodwin. When plans for the "Fury Force" book were scuttled, Hama then reworked the character designs for Hasbro, who, in 1981, were looking for some individualized character designs and backgrounds for their new line of 1:18 scale action figures utilizing the 1960s GI Joe brand.
In effect, there's some neat symmetry in how events leading up to the movie played out... Hama's original,
international strike force is re-molded to fit Hasbro's "Real American Hero" toy line, and now, almost thirty years later, the GI Joe brand is being reworked into an international strike force to fit the tenor of the times.
Click here (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/01/05/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-32/) to read more about the Hama GI Joe characters origins as a S.H.I.E.L.D. team (including early design sketches).
Time to play cast-a-movie!
Snake-Eyes: Ray Park (he doesn't need to talk, and he'll be wearing a mask anyway)
Storm-Shadow: Donnie Yen (yeah, I know he's Chinese, not Japanese, but since Sho Kosugi is probably 60 years old now, he's the only guy I can think of who's a legit theatrical/cinematic martial artist who looks the part and can actually act). Maybe they can get Takeshi Kaneshiro (a.k.a.
Jincheng Wu), since he probably looks the part more, but he doesn't have the martial arts background that I think would be necessary to convincingly play the role.
Baroness: Monica Belluci (mmmmm... )
Destro: I don't know... Vin Diesel?
Cobra Commander: Willem Dafoe (all he has to do is reprise his Green Goblin speaking voice)
Roadblock: Michael Clarke Duncan
Scarlett: Jessica Biel or Milla Jovovich, both of whom can play convincing action roles
Hawk: Sam Elliott
Duke: Mark Wahlberg
Stalker: Samuel Jackson (who will then proceed to chew up the scenery)
Zartan: Gary Oldman (hey, he was in
Fifth Element, so I don't think he's above playing a goofy role in a movie based on a toy)
The original Dreadnoks (Buzzer, Torch, Ripper): Spinal Tap (ha ha ha)
i've heard one cast member already been announced:
George Clooney
No, I am not joking. Clooney apparently walked away from the film he was working on to take a part in the upcoming film.
More Info:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710310008
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 01, 2007, 09:26:55 AM
More Info:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710310008
Not really info, just an article about some guy and his ravings. You'd think these people never heard of a global market, or that GIJoe mythology mostly revolves around the storyline developed in the eighties which is about an international team (despite the american symbolism). I don't think it is in the best interest of the movie studios, Hasbro, or even America to put out a movie with the theme that America is better than everyone else. Making the good guys all american standing against a solely international group says to me "Frell the world". Pride in your country is one thing, but in this day and age, the world is too small to think so xenophobically.
Ok, I'm gonna stop now before this turns too political. Maybe we should switch gears and talk about the movie itself?
ZD, that's an interesting list, but Monica Bellucci as Baroness? I don't see what people see in her. I would be happy if I never see her in a movie again. It's the same feeling I get with Catherine Zeta Jones. (can't really explain why...) Me, I want to see an actress of Slavic descent. (Isn't Baroness Romanian?) Perhaps in this role Milla would work. She does look hot in leather and black hair. (Think Ultraviolet)
QuoteI don't think it is in the best interest of the movie studios, Hasbro, or even America to put out a movie with the theme that America is better than everyone else.
Since when did anyone say anything about American being better than everyone else? Having a movie featuring the American military is NOT the same thing.
I expect British movies to having the British military win the day, Chinese movies to feature the Chinese military and so on. Why do the Americans have to be the one nation that's not allowed to display pride in their own military? And no, I don't care whether the movie is distributed internationally or not. It's the principle of the matter.
But G.I. Joe can have international members, or perhaps be an originally American group later sponsored by the U.N. or NATO or whatever. I could, MAYBE live with that. After all, you can't get away from the fact that the name G.I. Joe is DISTICTLY American since it refers specifically to the American military, and just the American military.
I find it funny that all of the people who can't stand that they changed this about spider-man or that about the x-men or anything about the fantastic four just to market the movies to non-comic fans have no problems with them changing anything with GI JOE.
It is amazing how much hate there is towards America and things American ... even from Americans!
Quote from: Kitt Basher on November 01, 2007, 06:52:35 PM
I find it funny that all of the people who can't stand that they changed this about spider-man or that about the x-men or anything about the fantastic four just to market the movies to non-comic fans have no problems with them changing anything with GI JOE.
It is amazing how much hate there is towards America and things American ... even from Americans!
I don't think it's hate... speaking from my perspective as somebody who grew up in a place and time that was frequently a staging ground for the ideological and real battles between the US-sponsored state military and USSR/China sponsored Communism, I'm uncomfortable with any media that can potentially oversimplify and trivialize issues that have affected me personally (a reaction of mine not just restricted to films, mind you, it's a large reason why I've never been able to play through certain FPS and shooter games, even if I'm a big fan of those game genres). I'm less likely to complain about changes in the X-Men mythos or the Fantastic Four because I haven't personally had any dealings with super-powered mutants or been the subject of cosmic ray irradiation :lol:.
Does this mean I think a GI Joe movie featuring the American military as the protagonists is "wrong" (in any sense of the word)? No.
In the hands of a capable writer, I think a "Real American Hero" interpretation of the property can be done well (as I've mentioned before in previous posts over the years, I'm a huge fan of most of Larry Hama's work on the GI Joe comic of the 1980s, despite my personal politics and views).
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 01, 2007, 06:18:49 PM
Since when did anyone say anything about American being better than everyone else? Having a movie featuring the American military is NOT the same thing.
My biggest fear is that a Hollywood treatment of GI Joe as an American entity would lack any of the subtlety and nuance Hama infused in his comic book writing... in fact, I'm worried that a Hollywood treatment of GI Joe would be nothing more than the film equivalent of a Hulk Hogan wrestling match where he thoroughly stomps on a horribly caricatured Canadian/Russian/Arab/etc. to the chants of "USA!" from the crowd.
I think we're looking at a potential turkey no matter what direction they go with the protagonists' nationalities, anyway (because really, I don't think anybody's really expecting all that much from a movie based on a toy line), so I think adapting the material to appeal to the broadest market possible is a sensible strategy, and knowing that Hama's original intent for the characters was to use them in a S.H.I.E.L.D. spin-off book back in the day just makes it a lot easier for me to accept the changes made to their nationalities in the film.
Quote from: Pyroclasm on November 01, 2007, 05:55:54 PM
ZD, that's an interesting list, but Monica Bellucci as Baroness? I don't see what people see in her.
I can see two things that make her appealing (ba-da-bump!)
Quote from: Pyroclasm on November 01, 2007, 05:55:54 PM
Me, I want to see an actress of Slavic descent. (Isn't Baroness Romanian?) Perhaps in this role Milla would work. She does look hot in leather and black hair. (Think Ultraviolet)
It's been a while since I read the comics, but I don't think they ever revealed her country of origin. All I know is that she's an actual baroness named Anastasia (can't remember if they ever gave her a last name), to give her a generic Slavic/Eastern European air. I always assumed she was from one of the Soviet states, since her brother was working with the Viet Cong during the Tet Offensive in the Vietnam War (Snake-Eyes killed him then, which sort of ties into why she's got a mad-on for the GI Joe team). Milla Jovovich could probably work in the role, at the very least she wouldn't have to study up on the accent.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 01, 2007, 06:18:49 PM
QuoteI don't think it is in the best interest of the movie studios, Hasbro, or even America to put out a movie with the theme that America is better than everyone else.
Since when did anyone say anything about American being better than everyone else? Having a movie featuring the American military is NOT the same thing.
I expect British movies to having the British military win the day, Chinese movies to feature the Chinese military and so on. Why do the Americans have to be the one nation that's not allowed to display pride in their own military? And no, I don't care whether the movie is distributed internationally or not. It's the principle of the matter.
But G.I. Joe can have international members, or perhaps be an originally American group later sponsored by the U.N. or NATO or whatever. I could, MAYBE live with that. After all, you can't get away from the fact that the name G.I. Joe is DISTICTLY American since it refers specifically to the American military, and just the American military.
I didn't say you did. Read my entire passage not just the one line. Any movie that pits the US military as the sole protagonist against the world says that. And since Cobra is a purely international organization made up of individuals from a variety of countries that even include American Allies, that is EXACTLY how it would be perceived anywhere but in American theatres. (Note Transformers featured the US military and was definitely pro-American military, but it set them against robots, not other nationalities.) This isn't the Cold War era where not only was the world a bigger place (and smaller theatre market) but there was no real care as to whether we piss off other countries. That said, I feel the ONLY way GIJoe could work as a purely American themed movie is if it were period piece either set during the Cold War, or even earlier when there was no such thing as Cobra and it was just a bunch of military guys with the same exact scar.
Living in an international community such as the Internet, it is disturbing to read the anti-American feelings had by people around the world. But when you try to view us through their eyes, sometimes the view from the outside is more disturbing.
QuoteMy biggest fear is that a Hollywood treatment of GI Joe as an American entity would lack any of the subtlety and nuance Hama infused in his comic book writing... in fact, I'm worried that a Hollywood treatment of GI Joe would be nothing more than the film equivalent of a Hulk Hogan wrestling match where he thoroughly stomps on a horribly caricatured Canadian/Russian/Arab/etc. to the chants of "USA!" from the crowd.
I suppose that is a valid enough concern.
QuoteI didn't say you did.
And I never said that you were referring to me in any way. The idea never even occurred to me actually.
Sorry, misread your post. Missed the "anyone" reference. No harm, bud. ;)
You know, this movie wouldn't have been considered if it weren't for the Real American Hero cartoon, which has a basis in the comic book. I mean, if it wasn't the theme song, it was the line we knew from it: GI Joe is the codename for America's daring highly-trained special mission's force. With that said, I know they are making a movie. I also know that GI Joe was based on the 12" action figure of 40 years ago. Though these figures were grounded in American military themes, there have been several other incarnations of the brand, not just the Real American Hero brand. Now, even though this film is based on the RAH incarnation, so is Valor vs Venom and Sigma Six and if that's the GI Joe we all know and love, then I'm the Last Dragon. So, if want to re-imagine this brand and make it suitable for modern-day audiences, fine.
But there are two things I'm far more concerned with than where the team is based at. Is no one else concerned about the direction the director, Stephen Sommers will take this? Or the fact that this is based more on the cartoon and not the superbly crafted comic created by Larry Hama.
Firstly, a quick refresh of what we know Stephen Sommers for; Van Helsing, the Mummy films, Deep Rising and the Jungle Book. Knowing this track record, what kind of movie you think we'll get? Something more milaritistic spy/fiction Bourne like or some fantastic action popcorn movie like we're used to seeing Mark Wahlberg in? Frankly, I'd like to see what JJ Abrams could do with what Hama has done. Speaking of Hama, I'm a little upset I paid little attention to the comics when I was younger, because Larry Hama was able to put so much depth and characterization in his writing, it would be hard to accept otherwise now. The stuff he did with the LRRP team and the Arashikage clan, the history of Cobra and the character relationships with Storm Shadow/Snake-Eyes/Cobra Commander/Billy and other characters. Larry Hama did what I expect this movie to do, and make what's obviously fantastic and fake seem feesible and real. But if this film will have a focus on Duke(which Hama resisted), but still have a heavy angle with Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow, I have to wonder what they'll do.
As far as casting goes, it's fun to speculate and to put together a dream ensemble, which many will do, but keeping in mind that this his Hollywood and from what I've heard already, we have Walberg and Clooney in the film already, probably as Duke and Hawk respectively. Hell, why don't we do the reunion of the Three Kings cast and get Ice-Cube for Stalker... and Jamie Kennedy for Bazooka. ;) I'd like to see who'd they have for Destro and the Baroness. My thoughts would be on someone older like someone familiar to Sommers like Arnold Vosloo and if they were to do that, the Baroness would be older as well.
I just hope they don't muck it up. I'm actually looking forward to this one.
Meet the Baroness
http://www.filmwad.com/first-confirmed-casting-news-for-i-g-i-joe-i-is-sienna-miller--5327-p.html
QuoteSince when did anyone say anything about American being better than everyone else?
America is better than everyone else.
Not for reals. Don't anybody superpower me to death, plz. This could be pretty good! Are they going to to make it like the cartoon and have it where nobody ever dies even if it seems like someone should die?
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 20, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
Meet the Baroness
http://www.filmwad.com/first-confirmed-casting-news-for-i-g-i-joe-i-is-sienna-miller--5327-p.html
I'm inclined to think the short film at the bottom of the page might be better than the movie... :P
Meet Snake-Eyes:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/04/exclusive-ray-park-cast-as-snake-eyes-in-gi-joe-movie/
I think this may have single handedly been one of the most obvious casting decisions ever.
To quote a friend of mine:
How does he look? Oh yeah, mask.
How does he sound? Oh yeah, doesn't speak.
Does he know Kung Fu? Sold.
QuoteG.I. Joe Filming Update
Source: Prague Daily Monitor March 11, 2008
The Prague Daily Monitor has posted an update on the filming for Paramount's G.I. Joe, to be directed by Stephen Sommers and starring Dennis Quaid, Channing Tatum, Sienna Miller, Ray Park, Rachel Nichols, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Said Taghmaoui, Marlon Wayans, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Arnold Vosloo and Christopher Eccleston:
The shooting of the U.S. high-budget action film GI JOE will start in Prague's Barrandov studios in May, Barrandov spokeswoman Dusana Chrenekova told CTK Monday.
GI JOE is directed by Stephen Sommers who in the past shot another film in the Czech Republic - Van Helsing (2003).
"The film, based on a strip cartoon, with a 170 million dollar budget will be premiered next year," Chrenekova said.
You can read more on this here: http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/291/cinema_in_prague/19808/
The studio is planning an August 7, 2009 release.
Well........interesting. I've got just two things to say: Marlon Wayanes? WHY! Also, who the devil is Christopher Eccleston playing? Ray Park as Snake Eyes is freakin' awesome, though, so at least they've got that going for it. Does anyone else see Dennis Quaid as Hawk?
If I remember correctly Marlon Wayanes is playing Ripcord. I don't remember him in the cartoon, but there was a figure of him.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046173/
WHAT!! Ripcord?! That's just plain STUPID. Ripcord is A) White, and B) A fairly serious character. Wayans misses on both counts. He'd be a much better fit for Alpine, Iceberg, or maybe even Stalker (although they would really need a better actor for Stalker). Alpine's even something of a joker. Here's what Ripcord is supposed to look like: http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/joe/ripcord.html
Also, looking at that list sorta' makes me angry. Eccelston is WAY too scrawny to play Destro. I guess he could be alright for the voice if someone else is behind the mask. It looks like they are trying to play up the whole "international" aspect of their concept by screwing with the characters a little. Breaker is the most obvious, and it's not a big deal, but it rubs me the wrong way, as a fan.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 13, 2008, 11:58:05 AM
Eccelston is WAY too scrawny to play Destro.
I thought the same thing. I probably would have swapped him with Arnold Vosloo. Mr. Vosloo is a much larger and imposing man and Mr. Eccleston would probably fit as the Master of Disguise. I wonder though if Zartan will still color change?
However I'm much more inclined to accept Mr. Eccleston as Destro than Joseph Gordon-Levitt as my--er-- Cobra's Supreme Leader. Hopefully he'll have a faceplate or hood to hide his babyface.
Yeah, Pyro, I thought the same thing about that kid, but it all comes down to his voice, as we should NEVER see his face through the movie.
It's the "minor" character changes like Ripcord that is giving me any apprehension toward the movie. If Ripcord's race and demeanor are tossed out, what's next? Destro's Silver head? Baroness' dark exotic look? Cobra Commander's Hood or Faceplate? Zartan's color change? His mimickry? If any of the very quirky aspects of the characters are just dropped or overlooked, it can just throw the whole thing off. For me I thought most of the Joes looked boring. Cobra had all the cool looks. I'll just reserve judgment on actually seeing it until I start seeing in-character shots or a trailer.
Cobraaaa!
QuoteYeah, Pyro, I thought the same thing about that kid, but it all comes down to his voice, as we should NEVER see his face through the movie.
Ive already heard its supposed to be an origin movie detailing the rise of Cobra Commander and his organization... so Im guessing you will in fact see his face through some of it.
This is gonna be such a magnificent train wreck of a movie... I'm so excited!
Ughh......Goggles, I hate you! Ha, don't destroy what little hope I have in this movie!
If they actually want to tell his origin (which I sort of think is a bad idea, but COULD, if done right, be used to garner sympathy for him), then they should do it like Hama did. His face should remain in shadow, or obscured, never really seen. He is really only a shadow of a man until he dons the hood, anyway. As a matter of fact, Hama pretty much did it perfectly the first time, so they should really just take the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow saga and play it out on screen. It ties into the rise of Cobra and the formation of the JOEs, and it is beyond awesome.
QuoteIf they actually want to tell his origin (which I sort of think is a bad idea, but COULD, if done right, be used to garner sympathy for him), then they should do it like Hama did.
I read a bit of a spoiler about the "history" of the character... click at your own risk:
[spoiler]
They are making Cobra Commander and Duke best friends who served together on the joe team. Probably for some kind of forced dramatic effect.
The only way they could make that storyline even more awesomely bad would be to do a love triangle with Scarlett...
Like I said... Train Wreck! :D
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Ohh....oh no.........well....congratulations, they've made a grown man cry......... :cry:
Well, that's it, I'm not seeing it in theaters. I respect Hama's work too much for that to fly. His original origin is so perfect, and it would have major gravitas for the modern day. It's all about economics and power...I mean, it would fit perfectly.
How much do you want to bet that they completely throw the story out the window and have Scarlett be a love interest for Duke?
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 13, 2008, 10:33:51 PMHow much do you want to bet that they completely throw the story out the window and have Scarlett be a love interest for Duke?
LOL, you mean like the cartoon?
I hope they bring the out the Rolling Thunder! That was my all time fav. toy. The Thunder Clap had nothing on it.
Quote from: Pyroclasm on March 13, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 13, 2008, 10:33:51 PMHow much do you want to bet that they completely throw the story out the window and have Scarlett be a love interest for Duke?
LOL, you mean like the cartoon?
Well, it was slightly hinted at in the cartoon, but then again, so was a relationship with Snake Eyes.
Oh come on. There is only one GI Joe Love story.
Flint and Lady Jay.
I mean the moment they shared while in her "bubble spear" protecting them from the lava they were submerged in while getting the volcanic component for the mass device... Lets see Jane Austen top that!
there was also a relationship between Scarlett and Snake Eyes that was messed with in the comics as well a good deal recently.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on March 14, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
there was also a relationship between Scarlett and Snake Eyes that was messed with in the comics are well a good deal recently.
Hmm, I see now that if you haven't read the original comics my comments might not have been as clear as I thought. Yeah, Snake Eyes and Scarlett fell in love very early in the series, and were presumed to marry eventually. They are the Romeo and Juliet of the JOE set, the perfect couple. Which is why I won't be surprised at all if they pair Scarlett with Duke in the movie.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 14, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on March 14, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
there was also a relationship between Scarlett and Snake Eyes that was messed with in the comics are well a good deal recently.
Hmm, I see now that if you haven't read the original comics my comments might not have been as clear as I thought. Yeah, Snake Eyes and Scarlett fell in love very early in the series, and were presumed to marry eventually. They are the Romeo and Juliet of the JOE set, the perfect couple. Which is why I won't be surprised at all if they pair Scarlett with Duke in the movie.
Don't assume that I have not read the original comics, Benton. I read a good deal of them "back in the day". There have been three different series of GI Joe titles. The original in the 1980s, the series revamp that came out circa late 1990s and then the revamp/reboot that was done in 2004-2005 that started great but came out nothing short of horrid (and was rightfully canceled after 14 issues.) I read some of the original series but never really followed it all the way through the series I watched the cartoons all the time, though, it was an afternoon staple for me. :) So again, don't make too many presumptions or assumptions, Benton.
I imagine they will stick with the much of the original series mixed with the second series. However, I personally would not mind seeing them go with the third series "origin/explanation of Cobra Commander and his organization". I've seen most of the casting list and the only one I have a real problem with is Sienna Miller as The Baroness. Mostly because I don't care much for her as an actress based on what I have seen of her.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on March 17, 2008, 10:24:38 PM
Don't assume that I have not read the original comics, Benton. I read a good deal of them "back in the day". There have been three different series of GI Joe titles. The original in the 1980s, the series revamp that came out circa late 1990s and then the revamp/reboot that was done in 2004-2005 that started great but came out nothing short of horrid (and was rightfully canceled after 14 issues.) I read some of the original series but never really followed it all the way through the series I watched the cartoons all the time, though, it was an afternoon staple for me. :) So again, don't make too many presumptions or assumptions, Benton.
I imagine they will stick with the much of the original series mixed with the second series. However, I personally would not mind seeing them go with the third series "origin/explanation of Cobra Commander and his organization". I've seen most of the casting list and the only one I have a real problem with is Sienna Miller as The Baroness. Mostly because I don't care much for her as an actress based on what I have seen of her.
Hey Mr. H, I certainly didn't mean to offend, I just misconstrued your meaning, I suppose. I thought that you were taking my comments on Snake Eyes and Scarlett to refer to the newest series. Yeah, I've read everything except for the late 90's series, and maybe the last year or so of the new series. I hung on for a long time with that newest series, but I just got to the point where I couldn't justify spending my money for such mediocre comics.
Are you referring to the GI JOE Reborn series when you talk about CC's origin? I read part of the series, but didn't get to any origin, what was it?
Yeah, the "GI Joe Reborn" origin of The "Cobra Organization" as well as Cobra Commander and company in general.
Cobra Commander is portrayed as an "Namless American" who was by his own accounts "swallowed by the system". He is a former business CEO who faked his death to escape and seek to overthrow what he perceives as a corrupt society and government. It is hinted that he himself is a corrupt businessman himself and that part of his "faking his own death" was to escape prison time, if I recall. Storm Shadow is his right hand man. The two of them have already executed a couple of attacks on US targets, notably blowing up a bridge in San Fran. His MO are clearly reminiscent of an assortment of terrorist attacks.
Destro is an arms merchant who is propositioned into an alliance with CC. The Baroness is his right hand woman (and girlfriend it seems). Destro agrees to outfit The "Cobra Army" on the condition that he oversees a portion of it. (Think field commander)
Major Bludd is a mercenary who is contracted by CC based one the bridge job.
Zartan is contacted but true to form misdirects his true location during their meeting. He comes on board at the end of the meeting and reveals that the Zartan that CC thought he was speaking to wasn't really Zartan.
Firefly is a world-class saboteur who doesn't directly join the organization but says he will be touch.
The point in the way the group came together is that Cobra is put together much like it is theorized that terrorist organizations are today with "cells here and there" and money behind it all. Hence, I suspect this is how they will put the thing together for the movie and should.
AS FOR THE GI JOE TEAM:
Duke and Hawk assemble their team in light of one of Cobra's attacks (which are not known at first to be Cobra). Scarlett, Stalker, Roadblock, Beachhead and Doc (a female one) and one other who I cannot remember right now. They are shadowed by Snake Eyes who the jokes are not sure the allegiance of at first.
The downside of the series is that Duke betrays the Joes. The series ended early before this storyline could fully dealt with. It looked like he could've been going undercover but this is unknown.
I think I must have just missed the first issue with Cobra, because the bit with CC's modified origin is the only part I hadn't come across. Thanks for filling me in!
I rather like the original origin a bit better, as it made him a bit more sympathetic. He was just a small businessman who was similarly "swallowed by the system." I liked the average American angle, and it made his crusade to destroy a corrupt government believable. I also loved all the social commentary Hama snuck into the series, and I wonder if there will be echoes of that in the movie.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 18, 2008, 02:27:50 PM
I also loved all the social commentary Hama snuck into the series, and I wonder if there will be echoes of that in the movie.
That's probably the biggest thing missing from the Devil's Due comics and even Hama's own later GI Joe work... Hama not only did social and political commentary, but he did it intelligently and without taking the reader out of the story. My two favourite bits:
- Storm-Shadow waxing philosophical over the state of world politics in issue #67 while watching "Frusenland" fall into chaos on the news (I always thought that Cobra represented the worst aspects of capitalism and free enterprise, since their main source of income was the selling of weapons and creating markets for those weapons in the developing world).
- Issue #69, where Hawk bluntly acknowledges the role the US government has played in supporting right-wing dictators and tyrants across the globe, while at the same admitting that he's powerless to do anything about it ("I'm just a soldier"). It was great in that Hama used a comic book based on toys (toys that dealt with absolute good vs. evil tropes) to show that the real world wasn't delineated into black and white, but more often than not, into differing shades of gray (I'm sure Hama's political views were informed by his own experiences in the Vietnam War).
Hama's GI Joe work, up until around the issue #90 or so (when it started becoming more like "Snake-Eyes and GI Joe" and becoming more and more toy-centric), was consistently one of the most thought-provoking and intelligent comics on the stands... my dad actually bought them for me and he was the one who'd refer me to all the little political references that Hama would frequently mix in with the writing.
it sounds like a very similar origin.
I say CEO but I am not sure how big the guy's business was. It is said presented that his death was faked in an explosion of one of his warehouses (I think it was a warehouse). The "crime" he may have been simply a matter of tax evasion (or mis-paid taxes.) It is presented that makes him somewhat sympathetic but suspicious in nature as the way he presents his backstory. (the conversation is between him and Destro and is "designed" as a reason why Destro should join him.)
an aside: in that article posted it mentions the new Solomon Kane movies! YES!
Don't know if this has been posted:
Snake Eyes pic (http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/snakeeyes.jpg)
Wow.......no matter how badly the rest of the movie sucks (if indeed it does), that looks incredibly awesome. I LOVE that they just translated his look straight, not trying to 'update' it or anything.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 20, 2008, 06:21:52 PM
Wow.......no matter how badly the rest of the movie sucks (if indeed it does), that looks incredibly awesome. I LOVE that they just translated his look straight, not trying to 'update' it or anything.
Well, you can say that Snake-Eyes second uniform (or "costume," if you prefer) was pretty much ahead of its time in terms of design... while everybody else was wearing BDUs or variations thereof, he was already rocking the skin-tight bodysuit a lá Metal Gear Solid's Snake (http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/151/928518_20050601_screen015.jpg) and Splinter Cell's Sam Fisher (http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/832/832137/hero-showdown-sam-fisher-vs-solid-snake-20071101045730249-000.jpg).
And yeah, no matter how bad the movie the movie might potentially be, that screenshot looks dead-on (looks like they mixed elements fo the original costume and the second costume)... the only real complaint I have with the costume is that he's got the Arashikage trigram plastered on his shoulder and sword... you'd think that was the kind of thing he'd want to keep discreetly hidden (unless, of course, the fact that it's there for everybody to see is somehow addressed in the story).
Well, in his second costume, he sometimes wore it on his sleeve (literally), and you know what? When I first saw it, I thought that the red on the sword was just reflection, but I think you may be right, and that is actually the hexagram mark on the blade itself.
As for them mixing elements of the two designs, yeah, he looks a lot like the "Reborn" look, and the combat pouches and stuff are fine by me. After all, in various comics in the main series he had stuff just like that over his standard combat togs. Doesn't that picture just make you wiggle with glee ZD? ^_^
Are they going to use laser guns or real guns? Will anyone actually be hit...hahaha!
[spoiler](http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/indirav1/snakeeyes1.jpg)[/spoiler]
That's pretty freakin' awesome........
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/6f/250px-Snakeeyesposter.jpg
You know he's just thinking to himself 'I'm #@%&ing awesome!'
i know i would be
Several people I know had the same reaction to it.
"Thats so awsome... and yet so... not"
I cant really explain it. Its like they made it so close the actual character, that it somehow feels off.
They succeeded in making a live action character look too CGI-ish to me :blink:
It looks like high end 3D render.
Although this has increased my interest in seeing the film quite a bit..and it was already pretty high.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 20, 2008, 09:53:21 PMDoesn't that picture just make you wiggle with glee ZD? ^_^
Yeah, as an old fan of Hama's GI Joe work, I'll be watching the movie at the cinema when it comes out (something I rarely do these days... it's getting harder and harder to justify spending $12 just to listen to people talk on their cellphones in the middle of a flick), even if it's just for nostalgia (and even if the movie turns out to be a typical Hollywood turd sandwich). I spent hours as a kid dreaming about a live-action GI Joe film.
GI Joe preview at USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-03-20-gi-joe-preview_N.htm
QuoteChanning Tatum (Step Up) plays all-American team leader Duke. Rachel Nichols (Alias) plays the crossbow-wielding Scarlett, Marlon Wayans is paratrooper Ripcord and Dennis Quaid is the commander, Hawk. On the evil-doer side, Sienna Miller plays the raven-haired Baroness, Christopher Eccleston is Destro, the arms dealer who hides behind a silver mask, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt (3rd Rock From the Sun, Brick) plays multiple roles, including the Cobra Commander.
Emphasis mine.
Impressions:
Baroness won't suddenly be blonde. Yay! Hopefully she'll wear glasses too. :wub:
Destro WILL have his silver mask! :thumbup:
Joseph Gordon-Levitt plays multiple roles? Could he be the Fred clones? :o
Edit: Grammar
Wow... what odd casting.
At least those two fellas are good actors. I don't actually know anything about Sienna Miller's tallents, but I do know she's no Baroness.
Funny thing about Sienna Miller, I was expecting to like her in Stardust and she did fine with the little screen time given to her. Depends on what they do with The Baroness therefore as to how well she will do in the role, I think.
Joseph Gordon Levitt as Cobra Commander?? Now that has my attention even more than the Snake-Eyes teaser pic,
Finally a movie thats sticks to the original concept!!!!! Thank YOU!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Quote from: style on March 24, 2008, 09:31:18 AM
Finally a movie thats sticks to the original concept!!!!! Thank YOU!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
In Snake's look at least.........but CC as a member of the JOE team? There is still cause for concern....
Quote from: detourne_me on March 21, 2008, 08:32:24 AM
You know he's just thinking to himself 'I'm #@%&ing awesome!'
i know i would be
http://www.inaneasylum.org/users/bentongrey/Default/snakeawesome.jpg (http://www.inaneasylum.org/users/bentongrey/Default/snakeawesome.jpg)
That's okay Frostbite, no one is as awesome as he is.
A littel slow but I finally saw the Snakeseyes pic...
Up until now I couldn't get excited about this pic because... well, it's Hollywood. The stuff I liked about it is going to go away.
For the first time, I'm actually looking forward to this movie. :)
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Details-Compiled-For-G-I-Joe-Movie-8298.html
Scarlett (http://www.joblo.com/excl-gi-joes-scarlett)
Quote from: Midnite on April 16, 2008, 03:45:53 PM
Scarlett (http://www.joblo.com/excl-gi-joes-scarlett)
The actress is hot. She looks like a good choice. I do have a problem with her suit though. Although her traditional costume is arguably a bit gaudy for a live action, I don't think the black works for her at all.
Two reasons:
1) Black is the Baroness' color. If Scarlett is in black, and the Baroness is in black, will the only thing differentiating them be the color of their hair? Will the inevitable catfight be a blur of black catsuits with the occasional flash of red hair?
2) Black is Snake Eye's color. I hope this isn't part of a trend to have the entire Joe & Cobra team in black. That would take all the cool out of Snake Eye's black commando/ninja schtick.
SnE and Scarlett are an item so maybe they like to dress alike to show there unity.
I hope they have some BATs in the movie. I love those guys!
Ugh...
This starting to look more like Snake Eyes and his Ninja Squad.... instead of GI Joe.
RTT
I'd like to state something I posted at another board when someone had concerns over Scarlett's outfit:
Scarlett hangs out with Snake-Eyes and is Covert Ops, so it does make sense that she's dressed in black.
Besides, for all we know that could be a special missions\stealth outfit, and not her normal gear, anyway.
However, if they have the entire team dressed in black..... :banghead:
Just felt like digibashing the picture:
[spoiler](http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/759/scarlettmr1.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scarlettmr1.jpg)
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awwww I like the digitally enhanced image :(
I'm more of the opinion that in feature film versions of comic books, when a costume doesn't work in real life, they just default to black body suit armor.
Thanks X-MEN!
Unfortunately, after seeing this image of Duke & Scarlett maquettes (http://www.themovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/joe-and-scarlet-suitsmed.jpg), I'm afraid that my original fear may be correct: The Joes will all be genericized. I am just hoping this is an "origins" type suit or a special "stealth mission" suit.
A bunch of images: (I'm not linking the article due to language.)
http://www.wwtdd.com/photo.phtml?post_key=5103&photo_key=9513
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I think the designs shown are somewhat lackluster. I'm not as excited as I was for the movie. I do hope the ones not shown are better, but I'm not holding my breath.
That site is blocked here at work, but if its the images I read about earlier, they were stolen and posted illegally and a lot of sites have pulled them... but prior to that, all of them seem to have had the same sort of "ugh" reaction...
I almost don't wanna see em now.
I'm actually okay with the indistinct costumes. I think they're closer to the spirit of the original 1982 Real American Hero toy line designs (when everybody except Scarlett and Snake-Eyes basically wore the same green crew-neck commando sweaters and green BDU pants) instead of the "Village People" look of the later incarnations of the toy. The one problem I have is that I wish the common costume wasn't in solid black... it becomes harder to distinguish Scarlett from Baroness and sort of takes away from Snake-Eyes' uniqueness.
Quote from: zuludelta on April 18, 2008, 11:11:37 AM
The one problem I have is that I wish the common costume wasn't in solid black... it becomes harder to distinguish Scarlett from Baroness and sort of takes away from Snake-Eyes' uniqueness.
Ha! We're on the same wavelength here. I said similar earlier. ;)
If they're all commandos dressed in black, what makes Snake Eyes so special? (Besides the martial arts.)
Duke, Ripcord and Scarlett are wearing variations of the same all-black outfit.
Any movie with Marlon Wayans in it automatically gets a -1 star to its rating. They should have left Ripcord white and put Stalker in.
I had to smile at the pics of Dennis Quaid as Hawk, because that's great casting.
I don't mind Storm Shadow being unmasked as much I dislike the fact that they gave the Baroness sunglasses instead of regular glasses.
Don't know if anyone has noticed or not, but Cover Girl's fatigues have "G.I. Joe" written into the camo at various angles.
I just hope that when they reveal some pics of Cobra Commander and Destro, that they're not wearing all black outfits (I know Destro's mask and Cobra Commander's faceplate (if they go with the helmeted look, that is) won't be black). Its fine if Destro wears black, as long as he has the red collar.
I'm now getting a message that the images were pulled. Apparently "Exclusive" means "We got them from a shady source." Did anyone manage to grab them before they did? If you didn't actually save them, can you check if they are stored in your temporary internet files? I wanted to do some digibashing, but could not download them at work.
sadly missed them and SHH has also put a no no on posting them
honestly like transformers i'm not a huge fan but if it does well there is more chance of a he-man film
Quote from: Pyroclasm on April 18, 2008, 02:11:36 PM
I'm now getting a message that the images were pulled. Apparently "Exclusive" means "We got them from a shady source." Did anyone manage to grab them before they did? If you didn't actually save them, can you check if they are stored in your temporary internet files? I wanted to do some digibashing, but could not download them at work.
The pics are still up on this site (http://2008reviews.figures.com/showgallery.php?cat=791) (last time I checked, which was 2 minutes ago). Get thee to digibashing!
Excellent! Downloaded what they had. Gonna have to tweak them a bit to get them to what I wanted to see. Anyways, if anyone ever sees the high res versions that have been floating around, snag them!
huh underworld called they want there costume back
Ugh.
They're all wearing the same damn thing, 'cept for Hawk and Covergirl. Damnit, Hawk is even wearing black leather instead of brown. Why? Covergirl looks more like Avril L. than Covergirl. I'd thrall more about it, save for the fact at least she has a unique look.
And now that I can see Snake Eyes much clearer.... what the hell?!?! Did they paint half his face and upper torso black?
Ugh.
Oh, btw.... another link (http://tinyurl.com/3he8k2) to the pics.
Please Pryro... Digibash 'em. Why they can't add just a little color like you did --- baffles me.
RTT
I've got to say, Pyro's version looks way better than the actual one.......kind of like when Superman Slumbers....err....I mean, Returns came out and someone colored his costume in brighter tones......
Anyway, I would have no problem with them putting the JOEs in combat fatigues like their original look, although I would prefer their classic togs, of course.
http://www.ugo.com/movies/soldiers-in-entertainment/images/gijoe.jpg
I really don't care for this generic special ops movie dren, though, and I REALLY have to say that he is SUCH a bad choice for Ripcord.......
You know, if they had made this movie 20 years ago, this guy would have been perfect to play Spirit:
http://chenzhen.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/billy-predator.jpg
And yeah.....in the clearer pics, Snakes looks....weird....why not just make his shirt black nylon like the rest? Anyway, it's Ray Park, so I'm sure he'll still be awesome.......the one bright spot in this.
Did anyone else notice that Snake Eye's mask is actually a clear plastic with some lines painted on? You can actually see the top of his face. :/
Oddly enough, although I am not fond of the way they look in these pictures, I will probably still be there premiere weekend like the geek that I am.
Quote from: Pyroclasm on April 18, 2008, 09:07:35 PM
Did anyone else notice that Snake Eye's mask is actually a clear plastic with some lines painted on? You can actually see the top of his face. :/
Oddly enough, although I am not fond of the way they look in these pictures, I will probably still be there premiere weekend like the geek that I am.
I'm sure I'm like the .00001% in this, but I hate that look.
I preferred my Snake Eyes more commando than ninja, especially with the hockey mask/glasses, sweater look and with sub machine guns over the ski mask/visor, ninja suit, and blades thing.
I'm just hoping some bit of him being a commando more than a ninja makes at least some appearance in the movie. Would love to see the Indy/Swordsmen like scene that happened in the comics reappear in the flick --- him dispensing a ninja with a tossed hand grenade.
RTT
Quote from: RTTingle on April 19, 2008, 08:13:29 AM
Quote from: Pyroclasm on April 18, 2008, 09:07:35 PM
Did anyone else notice that Snake Eye's mask is actually a clear plastic with some lines painted on? You can actually see the top of his face. :/
Oddly enough, although I am not fond of the way they look in these pictures, I will probably still be there premiere weekend like the geek that I am.
I'm sure I'm like the .00001% in this, but I hate that look.
I preferred my Snake Eyes more commando than ninja, especially with the hockey mask/glasses, sweater look and with sub machine guns over the ski mask/visor, ninja suit, and blades thing.
And here I thought I was the only one who preferred the original "commando with an Uzi and a satchel charge" look for Snake-Eyes. His second costume with the visor sort of struck me as a bit hokey and kind of started the trend of ridiculous themed "uniforms" in the character designs... I always had a good chuckle looking at Bazooka... I mean, who goes to a pitched gun battle wearing a bright red football jersey? And Quick-Kick, as much as I liked the somewhat sinister bent in the idea behind the character (he's basically an assassin, when you think about it, given that his job is "Silent Weapons"), looked like he walked right out of a clichéd Sho Kosugi movie with the whole barefoot and bare-chested look.
A fairly simple bash. There were just some little nuances of this Baroness that bothered me-- her fake tan, pale lipstick, distinct lack of cobra symbols, and most importantly, no eyeglasses! I "corrected" the aforementioned problems as well as some color correction to make her outfit and hair appear less brown & more black.
[spoiler](http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2379/baronessom3.jpg)[/spoiler]
a whole lot better, but something still screams cos play at the con to me
I started a thread for my digibashes so I don't flood this thread.
http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46753.0 (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46753.0)
Currently in that thread are Scarlett (4 different color schemes), Baroness, Duke (2 color schemes), Hawk & Stalker.
4-27-08: Added Tomax & Xamot
Lotsa' new stuff all over...
They (http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/7803/tcid/1) seem to have a link to all the stuff out there pointing to each site with an exclusive GI Joe character.
RTT
These photos look pretty cool, actually. Destro looks interesting, at least.
Three things that stand out:
1) Baroness has glasses! No, not the shades from the costume tests, but actual glasses! :wub:
2) Storm Shadow has a mask! No fancy white samurai. But an actual ninja! :thumbup:
3) Where...the...frell...is...Destro's...mask! :angry:
Cobraaaaa!
Destro without the mask........so.........not Destro? At all? That's unacceptable. Storm Shadow looks like a cleaner, but I'd really have to see more of the costume before I could say anything. He and Snake Eyes are going to look sort of unbalanced as they've gone for a (perhaps) too literal translation for the Silent Master, and something much more real world for Stormy. He looks like the Reborn version a bit....which isn't necessarily a good thing. Baroness looks alright, a pretty faithful translation, but I miss the big honkin' glasses. ;) Ohh, and is it just me, or is Breaker......orange?
:EDIT: Does anyone else find it strange that Heavy Duty is on the roster as opposed to the vastly more well known and popular Road Block? That's nearly as inexplicable as "Ripcord."
Quote from: Pyroclasm on May 07, 2008, 09:01:27 PM
Three things that stand out:
1) Baroness has glasses! No, not the shades from the costume tests, but actual glasses! :wub:
2) Storm Shadow has a mask! No fancy white samurai. But an actual ninja! :thumbup:
3) Where...the...frell...is...Destro's...mask! :angry:
Cobraaaaa!
Hey Pyro, when it's all finished and on DVD, could you maybe fix the movie? Do your magic to it and make everything look more true to the source material?
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 07, 2008, 09:07:05 PM
[snip]vastly more well known and popular Road Black?[snip]
eh. Freudian slip? Road
Block ;)
Quote from: BWPS on May 07, 2008, 09:12:22 PM
Hey Pyro, when it's all finished and on DVD, could you maybe fix the movie? Do your magic to it and make everything look more true to the source material?
Wish it were that easy. Guess if I had one of those multimillion dollar CGI systems, I could. Anyone have one lying around?
Haha....whoops! Hardly Freudian, I'd have called him Ryhming Block in that case........
I'm really trying to keep something resembling an open mind about this, but everything I see makes my skin crawl. I love GI JOE more than just about any other comic series, and I can just see this turning into one humongous disaster....I mean, just look at that freakin' Starship Troopers armor Breaker is wearing! Where's the realism, where's the military sensibilities, where's the mystique of the secret identities and such!? We've got a mask-less Destro, we keep hearing that its an origin pic, so you just KNOW they are going to show CC's face........bah.
Regarding Destro:
Read the description on the website where the pic is actually featured. It mentioned his mask as something that he will don on the battlefield in the course of the movie. While not entirely accurate, it's better than no mask at all.
But Destro never is without the mask. Having him maskless just seems. . . wrong somehow. The mask IS his face. You wouldn't want to walk around without your face, now would you?
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 07, 2008, 10:36:00 PM
You wouldn't want to walk around without your face, now would you?
I've done it before.
As for Destro, I don't know that I agree that the "mask is his only face". Masks are worn for a reason. And if they are going with the reason specified in the GI Joes: Cobra Reborn comic then I am willing to accept that. It makes more sense than the Dr. Doom fiasco from Fantastic Four any day.
anyone got the pics saved, a lot of the sites are going down due to heavy traffic
on destro sadly its the green goblin all over again, a non movable mask would be crap and movable one will just look bad
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 08, 2008, 01:41:12 AM
anyone got the pics saved, a lot of the sites are going down due to heavy traffic
They're all at http://gicobra.com/ ...and without the blasted watermarks!
Channing Tatum's Website (http://channingtatumunwrapped.blogspot.com/2008/04/news-flash-channing-tatums-gi-joe-moves.html) (Duke) lists Dwayne Johnson as one of the actors in Prague filming for G.I.Joe. Anyone hear about the Rock playing a part in the movie? I wonder who'd they have him playing?
Here is some footage of the filming of G.I.Joe in Prague:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXuiRep-tGY&e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXuiRep-tGY&e)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyHyidOKnRs&e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyHyidOKnRs&e)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXIEP2jfLf0&e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXIEP2jfLf0&e)
Not very exciting, but it's kind of cool to see how some of these car stunts are done. It'll be so different once you see it in the movie with all the cinematic elements.
Quote from: Pyroclasm on May 08, 2008, 08:31:15 PM
Channing Tatum's Website (Duke) lists Dwayne Johnson as one of the actors in Prague filming for G.I.Joe. Anyone hear about the Rock playing a part in the movie? I wonder who'd they have him playing?
Mmmm.. good question, might have to look that up...
Brendan Fraser (The Mummy) was also interviewed recently saying that he has a cameo apperance as a Joe too..
- CrimsonQuill
Interesting...
IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046173/) has Dwayne Johnson (as he likes to be known now) rumored as playing Shipwreck and Brendan Frasier as Gung Ho. While i like both actors alright, i think it sounds backwards to me. I remember shipwreck as a funny-man but not a realy tough guy relatively speaking, and Gung Ho as more...well....gung ho (sorry its early).
Shipwreck? I love Dwayne Johnson, but he's no Shipwreck. I would have probably chosen a smaller hispanic actor for Hector Delgado.
Gung Ho is supposed to be a big mean cajun mofo. Brendon Fraser is not. He is going to need to pull off a miracle.
Those are very bad ideas......although I like both actors well enough, they are completely wrong for their parts. They need a really big guy for Gung Ho.
they are both small cameos, think x-men style cameos
read this on another board from a guy who claims to have been at the panel at toyfair so take it with a pinch of salt
[spoiler]The black armored suits are based on the Sigma Six designs. They are used for a specific battle in the film.
As for the "standard" costumes:
Duke's costume is supposedly a cross between classic and Valor vs. Venom
Ripcord has some pretty standard military gear (much like the original toy)
Scarlett's main costume is said to be very much like her Valor vs. Venom attire.
There was a picture leaked with some early sculpts of masks and armor for the film. You can see concept art (although tiny and blurry) pinned up in the background which pretty much confirms this.
There are two types of Vipers. One type is supposed to look just like the classic, the other is said to resemble the VvV Neo-Vipers.
Cobra Commander's armor was supposedly the most drastic departure with a faceplate like a stylized skull. A rough sculpt of a skull-like face plate can be seen in the leaked photo. I'm not too keen on that, but if he doesn't wear the hood at some point I'd be shocked.
Baroness's costume is very faithful to the original design. It looks to me like she has a black cobra emblem on her chest. I do agree with everyone about the glasses though. The shades are cool but she needs some regular specs reminiscent of the old toy.
Storm Shadow's look is pulled straight out of the G.I.Joe Reloaded comics. I like the design, but if he doesn't wear the ninja gear at some point I would be both surprised and extremely disappointed.[/spoiler]
if that means anything to anyone i'm not a joe fan
Apparently, Shipwreck was cut from the movie, so no Dwayne Johnson.
Some behind the scenes photos in the streets of Prague:
http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=g%20i%20joe%20160508&version=int
Quote from: Pyroclasm on May 16, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Apparently, Shipwreck was cut from the movie, so no Dwayne Johnson.
Well that sucks! Shipwreck was my favorite in the cartoon.
Quote from: thalaw2 on May 18, 2008, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: Pyroclasm on May 16, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Apparently, Shipwreck was cut from the movie, so no Dwayne Johnson.
Well that sucks! Shipwreck was my favorite in the cartoon.
Ya he was a great character in the cartoon, but you gotta admit its prolly better to not have the Rock play him.
Now that i think about it, i think my all-time favorit episode might have been the one where shipwreck has amnesia and cobra has him fooled that he is a normal guy living this normal life with all his joe friends (who are seemingly normal but are cobra agents in disguise). That one was classic, that and the V(w)iper episode.
Talking about the characters that didn't make the cut for the movie has me wondering about the reasons for the producers/writers doing so. Stalker, for instance, has the problematic code-name (although for purposes of ethnicity/appearance and being a central character in the GI Joe origin, it looks like Marlon Wayans' "Ripcord" is basically "Stalker" in the film). I still have no idea why they went with "Heavy-Duty" (a 1990s GI Joe character) instead of "Roadblock," except to think that maybe they wanted to get away from the goofy, rhyming cartoon version of Roadblock. Also, Heavy-Duty was a prominent character in the later GI Joe cartoon (Sigma Six), so this might be an attempt to rope in younger viewers. They didn't go with Flint because it would have probably looked redundant having two officers on the team (they already have Hawk). And without Flint, there's really no need for Lady Jaye (they already have Scarlett as their female intelligence agent, and if they stay true to the comics, there'll be enough romantic tension with the Snake-Eyes/Scarlett angle without throwing in the Flint/Lady Jaye relationship).
Pointless speculation on why some other early/prominent Joes didn't make the movie roster:
Beach Head: Problematic name. Sounds like something you get on your honeymoon
Blowtorch: Why Hasbro made a toy of a soldier that uses a flamethrower to burn people alive is beyond me. I'm glad he (and a similar character, Charbroil) didn't make the movie roster. The US Department of Defense pretty much outlawed the use of the flamethrower in combat in 1978 (in part, a reaction to all the bad publicity the military got in the Vietnam War, particularly with the My Lai Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)).
Rock & Roll: Pretty redundant, the movie already has a big, beefy guy who handles all the big weapons.
Sgt. Slaughter: Too goofy. Besides, I don't think Hasbro has the rights to the character anymore.
Wild Bill: Much like Shipwreck and Sgt. Slaughter, he's too much of a caricature to work in a film that leans towards an arbitrary "faux-realism."
Quick-Kick: See Wild Bill above.
Any of the environment-specific Joes (Snow-Job, Dusty, Alpine, Iceberg): Unless the whole film were to be shot in the Arctic, I can't see the directors wasting a roster spot on Snow-Job or Iceberg. Ditto with a desert location and Dusty or a mountain location and Alpine.
Quote from: zuludelta on May 20, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Beach Head: Problematic name. Sounds like something you get on your honeymoon
Or Snow Job, if you go to Alaska.
But Shipwreck was the best character and he had a parrot!
Sgt. Slaughter is a real person. A retired professional wresler.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 21, 2008, 09:29:56 AM
Sgt. Slaughter is a real person. A retired professional wresler.
I know.
The fact that he's a "real person" (depending on how much stock you want to put in his wrestling persona being the genuine person) doesn't make the character of Sgt. Slaughter any less of a caricature though.
Quote from: yell0w_lantern on May 21, 2008, 09:14:41 AM
But Shipwreck was the best character and he had a parrot!
And don't forget, he went to battle armed only with what looked like a breech-loading, 17th century flintlock pistol (http://www.yojoe.com/action/85/85card/shipwreck.jpg).
Well, Sgt. Slaughter is a character that was played by Robert Remus. But being that the character was a public persona for him (and remains so to this day on WWE TV as he is not 100% retired) then it would not make sense nor likely be possible for the character to be used in a live action movie. The only way I could see such a thing happening is if a "new Sgt. Slaughter" debuted in the WWE with Remus's blessing (and perhaps Remus as a manager) and then crossed over to the the film. I don't see that happening, though, especially with the amount of pro-troops stuff that John Cena already uses in his gimmick. It's be a bit redundant. On the flip slide of that, I would not blame Vince for doing it given the annual trip to Iraq that the WWE does to entertain the troops. Ok, I am off my soapbox now.
I think Shipwreck should be saved for a future film along with some of the other Joe characters.
On-set pictures of the Baroness:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4952&Itemid=99
The cool thing someone pointed out (besides her look): She's got blood makeup! That means unlike the cartoon, these guys can get hurt. :D
nice pics.
found this on the hasbro site, don't know if anyone else has seen it.
http://www.hasbro.com/gijoe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=F285F255-D56F-E112-46FAEBF95750D7E9
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on August 05, 2008, 10:55:01 PM
found this on the hasbro site, don't know if anyone else has seen it.
http://www.hasbro.com/gijoe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=F285F255-D56F-E112-46FAEBF95750D7E9
Where was the address of concerns for Michael Bay presents Shia LeBuff?
**A movie which I did enjoy, but still had concerns about!
Quote from: Pyroclasm on May 26, 2008, 09:15:11 AM
On-set pictures of the Baroness:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4952&Itemid=99
The cool thing someone pointed out (besides her look): She's got blood makeup! That means unlike the cartoon, these guys can get hurt. :D
I really hope so. In fact, I'm already hoping Ripcord gets killed in the movie (Because Marlon Wayans sucks, I don't like what I'm hearing about how the character is going to be used, and they could have just as easily used a Joe who was already African-American....as well as actually popular, like Stalker or Roadblock....instead of changing Ripcord's race).
Here's hoping they use Steeler, Breaker, Clutch, Stalker, Lady Jaye, Flint, Roadblock or Rock N' Roll (no need for two machine gunners, really), and Tunnel Rat * in a sequel.....and NEVER use Serpentor, unless the plot of a movie involves the Joes stopping Cobra from actually creating him. Serpentor sucks.
* [spoiler]Larry Hama's cameo could very easily turn out to be a disguised Tunnel Rat - ie, Hama not actually playing the character, but Hama's face being a disguise - but I doubt they'll go that way.[/spoiler]