http://comics.ign.com/articles/894/894118p1.html
How long do you guys think this will last?
Hopefully zero seconds.
If they have to do it, I vote for Terry McGinnis to be the new Batman. Or is he not even born?
How is DC this stupid?
DC/Warner Bros Executive: "I know, our new Batman movie is the biggest film of the summer! Let's change the character so that it's totally unrelated to the version everyone saw there. Why would we want to possibly pick up new readers?"
I'm still hoping this is all misdirection, and that Bruce Wayne will still be Batman afterwards.
I second the notion. This is dumb. They replaced Bruce in the nineties with that idiot, Azrael. Worked great then, too.
I think it would be mildly amusing, for at least a second and a half, if Jason Todd took up the mantle. That way we could have both Cap and Bats replaced by their formerly-dead-now-lamely-resurrected-sidekicks. In fact, all characters should be replaced by their formerly-dead-now-lamely-resurrected-sidekicks. And then gender-swapped.
Color me optimistic ... but I don't think anyone will replace Bruce Wayne as Batman.
I read the first issue or so of this series, and it felt more like they were leading up to something about Bruce's parents ... where they somehow get to rest in peace ... or Bruce gets some peace of mind or some such...
Just a thought.
They're killing Bruce? What? I haven't heard about this. I'm off to search for spoilers on wikipedia.
Quote from: B A D on July 28, 2008, 08:54:57 AM
I second the notion. This is dumb. They replaced Bruce in the nineties with that idiot, Azrael. Worked great then, too.
And the powers that be are even stupider now than they were then. What with the super hit movie and all.
Quote from: Talavar on July 28, 2008, 08:43:49 AM
How is DC this stupid?
DC/Warner Bros Executive: "I know, our new Batman movie is the biggest film of the summer! Let's change the character so that it's totally unrelated to the version everyone saw there. Why would we want to possibly pick up new readers?"
I'm still hoping this is all misdirection, and that Bruce Wayne will still be Batman afterwards.
You have more faith than I do. The major companies seem to go out of their way to kill their golden gooses and crap on their best characters as well as defeat any possibilities of new readers being brought in by movies.
Hey, I personally don't mind old characters dying or being retired so long as it is done the right way. Comic books are just about the only medium the gets stuck on certain characters and find themselves unable to move onto anything fresh. But it has to be done right, which it rarely ever is.
Quote from: Talavar on July 28, 2008, 08:43:49 AM
How is DC this stupid?
DC/Warner Bros Executive: "I know, our new Batman movie is the biggest film of the summer! Let's change the character so that it's totally unrelated to the version everyone saw there. Why would we want to possibly pick up new readers?"
I'm still hoping this is all misdirection, and that Bruce Wayne will still be Batman afterwards.
Actually, the comics can probably do whatever the heck they want. The movie Batman can continue on as before. DC can always explain the differences away. "Oh the movies are set during an earlier time when Bruce Wayne was Batman"
I don't, however, believe they can be true to the character of Bruce Wayne and NOT have him be Batman if he's still around. Which would be the point of killing him off. If they do.
Quote from: tommyboy on July 28, 2008, 09:16:34 AM
I think it would be mildly amusing, for at least a second and a half, if Jason Todd took up the mantle. That way we could have both Cap and Bats replaced by their formerly-dead-now-lamely-resurrected-sidekicks. In fact, all characters should be replaced by their formerly-dead-now-lamely-resurrected-sidekicks. And then gender-swapped.
And then shoved through a portal that changes them into anthropomorphic animals.
I'd heard a rumor awhile ago that this might happen. Then lost track of it. Unbelievable!!! Imho, only Bruce Wayne can be Batman. Hopefully this stupid decision will rectified soon!
Quote from: BlueBard on July 28, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Talavar on July 28, 2008, 08:43:49 AM
How is DC this stupid?
DC/Warner Bros Executive: "I know, our new Batman movie is the biggest film of the summer! Let's change the character so that it's totally unrelated to the version everyone saw there. Why would we want to possibly pick up new readers?"
I'm still hoping this is all misdirection, and that Bruce Wayne will still be Batman afterwards.
Actually, the comics can probably do whatever the heck they want. The movie Batman can continue on as before. DC can always explain the differences away. "Oh the movies are set during an earlier time when Bruce Wayne was Batman"
I don't, however, believe they can be true to the character of Bruce Wayne and NOT have him be Batman if he's still around. Which would be the point of killing him off. If they do.
I didn't mean that the comics and films should be in the same continuity or anything, but when you have a movie as popular as the Dark Knight, I'd say that's a good opportunity to get a few of those people reading Batman comics. If some big Batman-movie fan picks up a comic and doesn't even know who Batman is anymore, they're likely to put it down and back away slowly.
[spoiler]
That image has both Catwoman and Hush in contention for the right to be Batman!?!
No. Just no.
[/spoiler]
Bredon:
[spoiler]Apparently, the caption that went with that picture was not intended when it was drawn. In other words, ignore the caption, it's just a picture with the effected characters dealing with the goings on, not who will take over the mantle.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]There were several interviews with Morrison concerning R.I.P.
In one of them he stated that Bruce isn`t going to die and that something far worse than death will happen to him at the end.
R.I.P is followed by a two part story which Morrison described as `the last Batman story`.
Tony Daniel, artist on R.I.P, said that these events will affect all Bat books until 2010. So my guess is that Bruce returns then.
I`ve read the entire story so far, and I must admit it`s a solid story, but we`ll see how it ends.[/spoiler]
One other thing, if Bruce isn`t Batman anymore, I`ll definitely stop reading the comic. I`ve been reading and collecting bat-books since I was a kid, with Bruce out of the picture it`s not the same comic anymore.
Bruce Wayne=Batman, call me conservative, but thats my opinion.
Well, I was considering dropping Batman and picking up Detective instead once this story arc is over (Morrison's writing has been more miss than hit), but if they're doing that kind of crap, I'll just be dropping Batman.
The plot of Batman R.I.P. is more or less a bunch of villains trying to drive Bruce insane, and so far it looks like its working.
If they replace him with Jason Todd, I hope he gets killed off again when Bruce takes the cowl back.
(Oh, and tommyboy? Big difference between Jason Todd and Bucky; Bucky is somewhat likeable, while Jason is not. Bucky replacing Cap makes sense; if Jason became Batman, I'm sure Nightwing, Robin and every other member of the Batman family would be after his head if they found out)
I can't believe people are still falling for this old trick.
It's a stunt. Bruce Wayne will go away for a little while, and sales will spike. Then the novelty will wear off, and they'll bring him back to get another sales spike. They have no intention of killing him off in any permanent way.
Of COURSE it's a stunt. I have yet to see anyone indicate otherwise.
I have some faith in Morrison being able to make it a good stunt, though.
Meh, but a stupid stunt, no less. I was around for the whole knightfall debacle. I stopped buying Batman for a time then, too. Its Didio's playground, let him use it for a litterbox for all I care. I only buy titles I want to, anymore.
Morrison made it pretty clear recently
http://www.timeoutdubai.com/dubai/features/review.php?id=3512
[spoiler]Looks like there will be a new Robin as well...Oh brother...[/spoiler]
Death has been done to death in the comics. And since it is rarely permanent, it is especially stupid. Even Captain America is not "dead" — he remains "alive" in other continuities. I regard it now as a cheap plot device, a kind of pornography for melodrama.
Quote from: JKCarrier on July 29, 2008, 08:31:13 AM
I can't believe people are still falling for this old trick.
It's for the benefit of the kids who weren't around during The Death of Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Superman). :lol:
You know how it is in superhero comics: the more things change, the more they stay the same. I wonder how long before we see double-foil prismatic gatefold covers again.
The funny thing about this, is that if it goes south, which I rather hope it will, a lot of DC titles are effected. Batman stars or figures prominently in Batman, Detective Comics, Batman & the Outsiders, Batman/Superman, Justice League and Trinity.
If Batman is suddenly someone else, they're also going to have to really force some of those titles, creatively, to keep publishing them.
I wouldent be too worried.
DC killed Aquaman and then Warner said "hey, we need aquaman alive because he's in the cartoons" and DC folded. The same will happen if they even keep Batman dead for 3 issues.
maybe dc will let morrison do what brubaker has done with captain america...
plus, dc really could slim down their batman line...
in the comic shop today i was floored at how many bat-related titles there were, i didn't know what to do so i just got cap, the new loeb-sale Cap:White and daredevil.
Quote from: detourne_me on July 29, 2008, 09:39:20 PMplus, dc really could slim down their batman line...
in the comic shop today i was floored at how many bat-related titles there were
As long as there's still less Batman titles than there are X titles, it's not a problem. :P
kill cap,kill batman,replace green hulk with red hulk....to me they dont care about anything but the money machine.
I think Morrison could do a good job with it. As detourne_me mentioned, Brubaker is doing an amazing run on Captain America, even though he did similar things with Cap.
Batman is really starting to mirror Captain America in terms of the dead sidekicks returning, now both characters being killed off.... :unsure:
Does anyone know that Batman is really being "killed off" in a literal sense? Better yet, has anyone actually bothered to pick up any of the issues?
From what I have read of the story, it looks like Bruce is getting amnesia and forgetting he is Batman, or perhaps just abandoning the identity in one of the titles. I am going to have to re-read it.
In the other, it revolves around the return of Hush and family issues between them.
That is not to say that there are not a couple of similarities to what Brubaker is doing with Cap, but the story itself seems to be going somewhere completely different. Of course, this could be proven wrong by next month's issue. For now, Batman has not truly "died", Bruce has just "stopped being Batman".
Whatever they do, it stinks, and its been done already.
They've already broken his back and replaced him ( Knightfall)
They've already sent him on a discovery to be Bruce Wayne, and not so much a D#$k. (One Year Later)
So they're going to combine the two? Send him away and replace him? Stupid.
I Don't want to read about Damien as Batman. Honestly, I have very little desire to read this drug hazed product that morrison is putting out right now. Detective comix has been putting out a much better product as of late. I will drop both if some poser comes in and says "Can I hasz batmask?"
Poor Parody:
Bruce wants to find himself, goes on long quest to find his inner self
Bruce needs someone to be Bats for him, looks for people....
Bane decides that he wants to be Batman and takes the costume
The New Batman kicks the crap out of every one in Arkham and gets drunk with power
Bruce finds himself (I was here all along) and goes back to take back the costume
It's Batman vs New Batman and Bruce wins in the end.
Somewhere in there Bane gets a new Robin, and ticked off a lot of people in Gotham.
I haven't been a regular comic reader in several years, but discussions about these kinds of storylines always entertain me. So when I come across potential spoilers I have no problem reading them. The one I came across today is below...
[spoiler]The "Batman R.I.P." storyline will lead into another story, "Battle of the Cowl," with possible Bat-successors Nightwing, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Damien fighting over the Bat-legacy. And when the Bat-dust settles, Nightwing will take over as Batman and Jason Todd will become "Red Robin."[/spoiler]
I think that quote came from LITG, it`s only a rumour.
"IF" that was true, what happens to the current Robin?
He gets smart, hooks up with the JSA, and lives.
I picked up a couple of issues of this and the start of the whole thing is so unoriginal it's pathetic. However, I found the new Batman interesting.
[spoiler]By new Batman I mean the insane one.[/spoiler]
it really could be handled better i'm having to re-read most issues cause on the frist run through its confusing as hell
plus i'm not to keen on the whole "revelations"
[spoiler]alfred is really bruce's dad, his mum was quite "popular" at party's, and his had was a wife abusing drug addict who just happens to be alive and running the black glove [/spoiler]
not read any of these yet, but from what i'm hearing it's like dc saying "who do people love at marvel? ok, we'll kill him off like cap, and do a huge ret-con and ruin his life worse than spider-man!"
I like it so far .... :unsure:
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on August 26, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
it really could be handled better i'm having to re-read most issues cause on the frist run through its confusing as hell
plus i'm not to keen on the whole "revelations"
[spoiler]alfred is really bruce's dad, his mum was quite "popular" at party's, and his had was a wife abusing drug addict who just happens to be alive and running the black glove [/spoiler]
I feel pretty confident that those will be revealed to be false.
I agree with podmark. Too much good history to ruin things with such tabloid crap.
Yeah, those revelations are total junk. They'd better be revealed to not to be true, or the DC writers are idiots.
I just like how must of the negative comments are coming from people who only "hear" stuff and not read the story
erm.... out of all the posters who've commented since the comic came out, i'm the ONLY one who's commented about not liking it who hasnt had chance to read it yet... negative comments since that point in time 3:
thelaw2: "I picked up a couple of issues of this and the start of the whole thing is so unoriginal it's pathetic."
the ultimate evil: "i'm having to re-read most issues cause on the frist run through its confusing as hell"
2 who have, 1 who hasnt... unless I suddenly earned the renown to be considered "most"
I'm surprised at how many people think these "changes" to Batman's history are going to be permanent.
There is no way that DC would EVER change Batman's family backstory so drastically. It's like when a storyline in Gotham Knights suggested that Bane might be Batman's brother ... never going to happen. Batman is too major and important to DC to ever tinker around with to that degree.
I'm actually really enjoying Morrison's Batman, which is odd, considering I found the writer's Arkham Asylum and Gothic to be overrated.
Quotekill cap,kill batman,replace green hulk with red hulk....to me they dont care about anything but the money machine.
I couldn't agree more.
Batman (Bruce Wayne) is a special character. There are so many different good stories to be told about him that this confirms that DC does not know where the heck are going, they just want to sell. They think that the effect is before the cause: 'we're selling so we're writing good stories'. Well, they're wrong. They're wrong and they're taken DC Universe to a point where everybody prefer reading comics of alternate DC universes or even the old ones.
Do they want to make interesting things to sell more? Ok, let the characters grow old. Build a background around them and respect their continuity. Give them depth. Give them real problems and let them face them. Let the characters retire and pass the torch to a next generation...
I've been reading and enjoying it. I get a strong impression that these "revelations" about Alfred and Bruce's parents are a load of hooey that will be revealed to be false. I'd be mad if they were true, but I don't get that impression from the way they were introduced.
The "revolations" ARE a load of bs, no question about it.
Oh, and they aren't going to kill off Bruce Wayne. Apparently when the storyline is over, he quits being Batman and someone else takes over the role. Unfortunately, one of the candidates is Jason Todd, and if it IS him, they might as well cancel all the Batman titles. Can't see anyone other than Bruce Wayne, or Dick Grayson as a temporary fill-in (he did just that already, soon after Knightquest) in the role.
Apparently Hush is returning and is going to be in a story running through Detective. You kind of have to wonder if he's not involved with, or behind, the Black Glove.
I think it is important to remember that R.I.P. may not stand for "rest in peace" . . . and that the end result has been pretty much stated that it will not be "Bruce dying" but rather laying down the mantle of Batman for a while.
My own impression is that there will be a fight for the cowl between Jason Todd, Hush and Dick Grayson. It has already been said pretty much who would be getting the cowl. [spoiler]Dick[/spoiler] and its been pretty much said what will happen to Jason Todd [spoiler]He will become "Red Robin"[/spoiler]. However, I suspect that Bruce will eventually come back for the mantle of Batman after a time away. I suspect I know where the story is going, especially since Catwoman's title is being canceled [spoiler]and she is going to be a full time supporting character in Detective Comics. I suspect that she and Bruce could actually tie the knot or inch their way toward it.[/spoiler]
I think Morrison teased it already in another issue. I think that Bruce himself is behind the Black Glove in some way. He set this all in motion; The Batman's greatest enemy is himself. He's Bruce, Batman, Batman of Zen-Ur-Arrah...and what other personalities does he have rattling around in there?
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 22, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
I think Morrison teased it already in another issue. I think that Bruce himself is behind the Black Glove in some way. He set this all in motion; The Batman's greatest enemy is himself. He's Bruce, Batman, Batman of Zen-Ur-Arrah...and what other personalities does he have rattling around in there?
that storyline's already been done before, with 'startling revelations' about thomas wayne to boot too, how bruces dad was the first batman(at a costume party), and bruce was actually the first robin (as a teen after his parents' death) it was a story by len wein, john byrne and i think jim aparo. cool thing is that dick comes in and kinda saves bruce/batman.
Well, there is always the action figure angle too. How long do you think it will be before DC Direct is kicking out a Batman figure in his crazy eye-sore costume complete with BatMite and removeable tooth?
Truth be told, I'm actually a bit disappointed to see so many people upset/panicked about this. The extreme cynicism towards DC is a bit shocking as well. As others have pointed out, Bucky coming back in Cap may have been a controversial move, but the book itself was a success. Brubaker's Cap is considered one of the best if not the best Cap run ever made. I've read the book up to issue 25 and IMO it was damn good comics and proves that bad idea doesn't automatically equal bad comics.
Which brings me to Batman.
I'll be frank: Based on what I've read so far, I think this idea stinks. But idea and execution are two very different things. I'm not ready to condemn the storyline this early. Just as Brubaker is a top talent writer, Morrison is held in high regard too. Personally I've enjoyed his Batman. I like that it's got subtext and explores the psyche of the character. Is it trippy? Oh yes. But it IS a Grant Morrison book. To complain about it for being trippy and weird is kind of like complaining about a comedy for being funny. As blasphemous as a crazy hobo Batman is, I find that the idea is so ridiculously over the top that it somehow manages to be awesome. Obviously, your views may vary.
As others in this thread have speculated, I seriously doubt Bruce's parents are being ruined as characters. I'm pretty sure it's a ruse. And I'm fairly confident "Batman is the villain" theory is true. I have no idea what that will mean, but I'm giving the storyline a chance and reserving judgment until it finishes and the plot is revealed. I'm not positive if I want to keep reading after that but I plan on giving the aftermath issue a try and maybe the two part crossover to see if it interests me. If I enjoy it, then all the better. The only Batbook I'm buying right now is Batman because that's where the storyline (RIP) is taking place and the tie-ins in the other books are almost certain to be only loosely connected to it. (Robin's tie-ins, which I have read, are a really valid example of this). But I didn't think I'd enjoy the other books so I didn't pick them up, simple as that.
We all know this stunt won't last. But if the storyline actually manages to be GOOD, than what's the harm? We already know Bruce isn't going to die so it's not like the franchise is going to be ruined forever. There will definitely be good Batman runs in the future and bad ones, because that is constantly happening in comics, crossovers or no. Spider-Man does it, Superman does it, FF does it, and X-Men practically lives on it. I just don't see the reason to freak out when they do it THIS week.
Quote from: detourne_me on September 22, 2008, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 22, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
I think Morrison teased it already in another issue. I think that Bruce himself is behind the Black Glove in some way. He set this all in motion; The Batman's greatest enemy is himself. He's Bruce, Batman, Batman of Zen-Ur-Arrah...and what other personalities does he have rattling around in there?
that storyline's already been done before, with 'startling revelations' about thomas wayne to boot too, how bruces dad was the first batman(at a costume party), and bruce was actually the first robin (as a teen after his parents' death) it was a story by len wein, john byrne and i think jim aparo. cool thing is that dick comes in and kinda saves bruce/batman.
that was the untold legend of Batman. But the storu was based on pre-"new look" stories for the most part.
Quote from: doctorchallenger on October 04, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: detourne_me on September 22, 2008, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 22, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
I think Morrison teased it already in another issue. I think that Bruce himself is behind the Black Glove in some way. He set this all in motion; The Batman's greatest enemy is himself. He's Bruce, Batman, Batman of Zen-Ur-Arrah...and what other personalities does he have rattling around in there?
that storyline's already been done before, with 'startling revelations' about thomas wayne to boot too, how bruces dad was the first batman(at a costume party), and bruce was actually the first robin (as a teen after his parents' death) it was a story by len wein, john byrne and i think jim aparo. cool thing is that dick comes in and kinda saves bruce/batman.
that was the untold legend of Batman. But the storu was based on pre-"new look" stories for the most part.
Actually, Thomas Wayne as the first Batman was originally done in the 50's or 60's. The Untold Legend of Batman really just updated it.
Quote from: GhostMachine on October 04, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: doctorchallenger on October 04, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: detourne_me on September 22, 2008, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 22, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
I think Morrison teased it already in another issue. I think that Bruce himself is behind the Black Glove in some way. He set this all in motion; The Batman's greatest enemy is himself. He's Bruce, Batman, Batman of Zen-Ur-Arrah...and what other personalities does he have rattling around in there?
that storyline's already been done before, with 'startling revelations' about thomas wayne to boot too, how bruces dad was the first batman(at a costume party), and bruce was actually the first robin (as a teen after his parents' death) it was a story by len wein, john byrne and i think jim aparo. cool thing is that dick comes in and kinda saves bruce/batman.
that was the untold legend of Batman. But the storu was based on pre-"new look" stories for the most part.
Actually, Thomas Wayne as the first Batman was originally done in the 50's or 60's. The Untold Legend of Batman really just updated it.
That was the point I was going for, but my poor typing mangled my delivery.
Picked up my comics yesterday, including Batman #680, and its official:
Morrison needs to be kicked off the book asap and not let anywhere near Batman ever again.
I am about to drop a spoiler, and I'm not spoiler boxing it because its garbage and I want anyone who is even considering picking the issues of this storyline up or the eventual TPB(s) to know how bad this crap is.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW, MOVE ON!
The Joker was brought into the story an issue or two back and he looks idiotic in this issue, as he's running around shirtless with suspenders on and also wearing white autopsy gloves - plus he has that whole bullet wound scar in the middle of his forehead going on, which looks awful. However, that's not the problem: The problem is that Batman unmasks while trying to rescue Jezebel Jet ....in the presence of the Joker. Then Batman has a mental breakdown and Jezebel is revealed to be in on it (the Black Glove stuff). Yeah, right.
Think about it: The Joker now pretty much knows Bruce is Batman.....which is something that goes severely against the Joker's character, as he's the one villain who doesn't want to know who Batman is, as it would ruin "the game".
Grant Morrison is now officially a hack, as far as I am concerned. Unless the storyarc has one heck of a twist ending (ie, its all happening in Bruce's head or something), I'm done with him as a writer.
Yup, that ticked me off as well.
One more thing[spoiler]
Apparently Gordon now knows Bruce`s identity too[/spoiler]
Quote from: bat1987 on October 07, 2008, 01:39:36 PM
Yup, that ticked me off as well.
One more thing[spoiler]
Apparently Gordon now knows Bruce`s identity too[/spoiler]
umm most bat fans have thought he has known for quite some time, just out of respect have never told him, hell look at the end of no man lands or a recent bats/superman bats himself said that he suspected it
I always thought he knew since year one, but now its official.
Actually, the revealing of Batman's identity makes perfect sense with what is reportedly coming.
[spoiler] IE: Bruce quitting being Batman [/spoiler]
and
[spoiler]Dick and Jason fighting over the cowl.[/spoiler]
I wouldn't get worked up about this story...yet. It's a pretty trippy one it might not end how you'd expect.
But come on, calling Morrison a hack? Sure this Batman run is...odd, but Morrison's been a solid comics writer for years.
Well, GM I have to say I think you got the Joker completely and utterly wrong.
To wit: I don't think that the Joker doesn't want to know who Batman is; I don't think he gives a flying <bleep> who Batman is. I can see him not telling the other pyschos because he's knows it would 'ruin the game', as it were. But for himself? I've never seen any indication that he gives a rat's behind about Bats' secret ID one way or another.
For everyone - theres an excellent Morrison piece in Wizard that gives some insight into this storyline.
The thing is that the replacement Batman thing was done with Knightsend and so on. That story really focused on showing why Bruce is Batman and no one else can really fill the cowl. Why rehash it? Why would Bruce ever quit being Batman as long as he is alive and able if he is really as driven as we, as readers, have been led to believe?
Well, the last issue of RIP came out today, and...
[spoiler]
Let me say first, I'm not sure if Batman is dead or not - but I don't think he is.
I'm still mulling it over really. It reaffirms "Batman plans for everything" to an almost ridiculous degree, but I think I liked it. Particularly the Batman and the Joker (not working together or anything) putting this upstart Black Glove organization in their place.
Not much about the consequences of all this is revealed though; tune in next week!
[/spoiler]
It was an odd series I think. Maybe I need to read the whole thing over again?
[spoiler]Well there's no way Batman is really dead. Least not based on the end of that issue.[/spoiler]
Well, this I know for sure
[spoiler]
Batman in Final Crisis,which happens after RIP, is Bruce Wayne, as confirmed by Morrison.
The next two issues will explain how all of this ties into Final Crisis.[/spoiler]
It almost seems like Final Crisis isn't in continuity. Are any books dealing with it right now? Because it doesn't seem like it to me.
It is. Everything you read now happens before FC.
I haven't read the last part of R.I.P. yet (probably won't pick up my comics for another week or so), but
[spoiler]I'd have no problem whatsoever if they pulled a cop out and have Bruce continue as Batman. I do, however, think it would be cool if they temporarily have people think Batman is dead. Imagine Dick, Tim and Jason arguing over who gets to be the new Batman, only for Bruce to appear from out of nowhere, grab Jason by the collar, and say something along the lines of "no way in hell!"
And there would be no mystery as to who would replace Bruce, anyway; it would have to be Dick. Tim is too young and doesn't really have quite enough experience, and Jason would be about as bad as when John Walker replaced Steve Rogers as Captain America. Jason as Batman would probably cause the readership of all Bat-related titles that he appears in to drop. (I'd love to see a mini-series featuring Jason, but NOT as Batman)
And I really hope Morrison leaves the title fairly soon. I don't think I can take another year of him as writer, let alone six months.[/spoiler]
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 28, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
I haven't read the last part of R.I.P. yet (probably won't pick up my comics for another week or so), but
[spoiler]I'd have no problem whatsoever if they pulled a cop out and have Bruce continue as Batman. I do, however, think it would be cool if they temporarily have people think Batman is dead. Imagine Dick, Tim and Jason arguing over who gets to be the new Batman, only for Bruce to appear from out of nowhere, grab Jason by the collar, and say something along the lines of "no way in hell!"
And there would be no mystery as to who would replace Bruce, anyway; it would have to be Dick. Tim is too young and doesn't really have quite enough experience, and Jason would be about as bad as when John Walker replaced Steve Rogers as Captain America. Jason as Batman would probably cause the readership of all Bat-related titles that he appears in to drop. (I'd love to see a mini-series featuring Jason, but NOT as Batman)
And I really hope Morrison leaves the title fairly soon. I don't think I can take another year of him as writer, let alone six months.[/spoiler]
Morrison isn't currently solicited to write any more Batman for the moment. There's a rumor Didio has upset Morrison or vice versa, but that's unconfirmed. Didio did recently say "Grant has so many Batman stories to tell that we have to find an outlet for them, and I'm absolutely sure that we will find one for him. " and Morrison has said something along the lines of he never wants to leave Batman.
I just read the summary for this.....wow.....this sounds like an excruciatingly bad story. In fact, it seems, in microcosm, a great deal of what is wrong in comics. You tell stories about the same characters long enough that there is nothing to do but torture them in attempts to provide "interesting" stories. Ahh well, I haven't read the story, so I can't really judge it. I suppose I'll keep sticking with my archives.
Well, I actually really enjoyed the main story line. The tie-ins were mediocre, except for "The Heart of HUSH" in Detective Comics, which I thought was pretty good.
As for Batman being dead:
[spoiler]WTH? Did they not just pull this EXACT same thing with HUSH in Detective Comics? Helicopter crashes into the water and the body can't be found. Though we see Hush is alive and not-so-well just a few pages later. This was actually the only thing that bugged me in an otherwise enjoyable arc. Could they at least have thought up a more original way for Batman to (supposedly) die?[/spoiler]
Also:
[spoiler]There was a Batman within the Batman... It's Batman's all the way down! :lol:[/spoiler]
Joker also died via helicopter explosion in 'Death In The Family'.
I actually liked BATMAN RIP, and I generally don't like Morrison on mainstream DC books. I wasn't a fan of his Batman: Gothic or Arkham Asylum either.
LITG reports that Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely will be on Batman after Battle for the Cowl.
Quote from: Podmark on December 15, 2008, 10:18:57 PM
LITG reports that Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely will be on Batman after Battle for the Cowl.
Then I will be dropping Batman after Battle for the Cowl, as Quitely is my least favorite artist after Rob Liefeld.
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 16, 2008, 10:57:26 AM
Quote from: Podmark on December 15, 2008, 10:18:57 PM
LITG reports that Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely will be on Batman after Battle for the Cowl.
Then I will be dropping Batman after Battle for the Cowl, as Quitely is my least favorite artist after Rob Liefeld.
i wont drop it, but i'm defiantly not a fan of quitelys art