If Ashley has lost even more weight, I REALLY don't want to see her now. I remember when someone over at another board had a pic of her with paint over her breasts (ala Sable) for the bikini contest a few months back, and she really looked awful then. (Pic also showed that whoever did her breast implants didn't do a good job)

I didn't watch Wrestlemania, but to answer your question, Thanoson, the reaction from some people who have seen it pretty much say Kane came off looking really bad. I wish they'd get rid of Khali, because he's pretty much Giant Gonzalez 2007.

You won't believe what happened at TNA's Lockdown PPV!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G653rJm6c28

[spoiler]It didn't look all that great, but considering that's the first time he's used that move in at least 8 or 9 years!......[/spoiler]

Yeah, as I recall, he created that move didn't he? Well, he was the 1st I ever saw use that move at least. Surprise his back didn't blow up from all the Bane Juice he's got in there.

QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment has ended its relationship with Deep South Wrestling. For the past two years, DSW has served as one of WWE's developmental territories. Check back here as more information becomes available.

No word on how this will affect the DSW talent currently under affliation with WWE.  I've shot messages off to TJ, Nattie, and Harry expressing condolences.  I don't think it will affect them too much except to say that they were just getting settled in down here.

I imagine that DSW will be allowed to finish up any angles that they have going with WWE talent before moving them back up to OVW. (There is an angle going involving Krissy Vaine, Angel Williams and Nattie Neidhart along with Melissa Coates.  I believe Ryan O'Reiley is under developmental.  Mike Knox has been working down there.  ETC.)  Just a guess though.

Personally, I think we're about to see several call-ups to the WWE roster from the developmentals.  (They seem to do this post-Wrestlemania and then post-Summerslam.)  I'd not be surprised to see this in the coming weeks.  Especially with more of a roster needed for ECW.  I guess we'll see.

thanoson, I doubt Steiner actually invented the move. After all, its just a Hurricanrana with the victim seated on the turnbuckle or stuck in the corner (I've seen it done both ways), and the Hurricanrana was actually invented in Mexico. Steiner did popularize the move, however, which is why its mostly referred to as a Frankensteiner when done off the turnbuckle.

As a fan of Steiner before he got injured and bulked up, I was stunned to hear about him doing that move at Lockdown and searched for a clip of it. Fortunately, I found that clip on youtube....

Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 19, 2007, 10:32:16 AM

QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment has ended its relationship with Deep South Wrestling. For the past two years, DSW has served as one of WWE's developmental territories. Check back here as more information becomes available.

No word on how this will affect the DSW talent currently under affliation with WWE.  I've shot messages off to TJ, Nattie, and Harry expressing condolences.  I don't think it will affect them too much except to say that they were just getting settled in down here.

I imagine that DSW will be allowed to finish up any angles that they have going with WWE talent before moving them back up to OVW. (There is an angle going involving Krissy Vaine, Angel Williams and Nattie Neidhart along with Melissa Coates.  I believe Ryan O'Reiley is under developmental.  Mike Knox has been working down there.  ETC.)  Just a guess though.

Personally, I think we're about to see several call-ups to the WWE roster from the developmentals.  (They seem to do this post-Wrestlemania and then post-Summerslam.)  I'd not be surprised to see this in the coming weeks.  Especially with more of a roster needed for ECW.  I guess we'll see.

Yeah, I'm not too happy about that, because I get DSW on tv but not OVW, and I've heard most of the people under developmental contract will be transferred to OVW, giving OVW a bigger roster, instead of being released.

Oh, and I heard High Impact are in OVW now, which is a good thing. I doubt it, but I'm hoping their release wasn't real and they were actually transferred to OVW early with the release being a cover story. Mike Taylor and Tony Santorelli are a fine tag team, and from what I've seen Santorelli is a decent singles wrestler as well. (I've only seen one of Mike Taylor's singles matches)

As for TJ, Harry and Nattie, I'll be surprised if they don't either come in as heels or turn within a couple months of debuting when they are brought up to RAW, Smackdown or ECW. You know what I'd like to see happen? Since Dusty Rhodes is working backstage for the WWE, they could bring back Dustin (as Goldust, of course), bring up Cody, and have a Rhodes Family vs. New Hart Foundation (a name I hope they don't actually use, but I wouldn't be surprised) feud, with Dusty and Nattie working as the managers more or less. 

Oh, and I just got a green Jushin Liger mask I won off eBay in the mail today. Its a cheap fan support mask, but its a lot better quality than I expected for what I paid for it.  :thumbup:

You must not remember how the true Frankensteiner worked. He never had them in a corner, they were always coming off the ropes when he did it. I don't recall anyone else doing the move before him on American TV. Remember when Scott was the smaller of the Steiners? My have things changed. Go Steinerline!!!

Quote from: GhostMachine on April 19, 2007, 11:35:08 AM

As for TJ, Harry and Nattie, I'll be surprised if they don't either come in as heels or turn within a couple months of debuting when they are brought up to RAW, Smackdown or ECW. You know what I'd like to see happen? Since Dusty Rhodes is working backstage for the WWE, they could bring back Dustin (as Goldust, of course), bring up Cody, and have a Rhodes Family vs. New Hart Foundation (a name I hope they don't actually use, but I wouldn't be surprised) feud, with Dusty and Nattie working as the managers more or less. 

I suspect that they will be brought in as faces for a few months then turn heel after a few months as well. 

I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.

Quote from: thanoson on April 19, 2007, 03:07:23 PM
You must not remember how the true Frankensteiner worked. He never had them in a corner, they were always coming off the ropes when he did it. I don't recall anyone else doing the move before him on American TV. Remember when Scott was the smaller of the Steiners? My have things changed. Go Steinerline!!!

Actually, they referred to any Hurricanrana that Scott Steiner did as a Frankensteiner, and yes he did do it off the turnbuckle or with the victim just stuck in the corner sometimes. A lot of announcers still call the move a Frankensteiner instead of a Hurricanrana no matter how its done, while some only call it that if its done in the corner and some don't call it that at all.

Back in the day, before Scott bulked up and still had a brown mullet, they were my second favorite tag team (after Demolition), and he was one of my favorite wrestlers, period. I only did get to see the Steiners wrestle live once, though - Clash of the Champions 15, they defended the IWGP tag titles against Masahiro Chono and Hiro Hase.

According to wiki, a Huracanrana is the same thing, only it ends in a pin. Rana apparently is defined as any double-leg cradle. Any version where the opponent is thrown, or the move is used for impact rather than a pinning combination, is considered a frankensteiner.

It's also more closely associated with said running version, but the top rope version falls under that as well since it is a non-pinning move as well.

So basically, pin at the end = Huracanrana, no pin = Frankensteiner. That of course excludes crazy versions like the Dragon-rana or Deja Vu.

Quote from: Verfall on April 20, 2007, 02:46:50 AM
According to wiki, a Huracanrana is the same thing, only it ends in a pin. Rana apparently is defined as any double-leg cradle. Any version where the opponent is thrown, or the move is used for impact rather than a pinning combination, is considered a frankensteiner.

It's also more closely associated with said running version, but the top rope version falls under that as well since it is a non-pinning move as well.

So basically, pin at the end = Huracanrana, no pin = Frankensteiner. That of course excludes crazy versions like the Dragon-rana or Deja Vu.

Considering the move was apparently named after the wrestler Huracan Ramirez and he used the pinning version, it would make sense.

But, according to Luchawiki, the non-pinning version (Frankensteiner) actually pre-dates the pinning version, and since the Frankensteiner is named after Scott Steiner, calling it a Hurricanrana as well also makes sense, as I guess either it was originally called the Hurricanrana before the pinning version came along or the original name is lost.....

So you can more or less call it a Hurricanrana or Frankensteiner, as long as you don't call a pinning version a Frankensteiner. (Dragonranas and other variations are an altogether different matter)

The name Hurricanrana (also called a Huracarrana) translates more or less as "hurricane frog",  or "hurricane leapfrog",according to Luchawiki.

And for the record, the original Rana (not Hurricanrana) was just a flashier variation of the Victory Roll, and was created by Emiliano Charles Sr...in the 1930s.

*edit* From what I can figure out, from my knowledge of the Smackdown vs. RAW games (I'm going on `06 - I don't have `07), the names of moves are all messed up as they have just about everything that's a Hurricanrana\Frankensteiner listed as a Hurricanrana amongst other things (heck, they have a move that's more or less a Falcon Arrow variation listed as a Gourdbuster!), the Victory Roll variation where the attacker sits on the victim's shoulders for a second instead of rolling through into the pin immediately is either the original Rana or the closest thing to it.

Quote from: GhostMachine on April 20, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.

I have to disagree here.  There is a good chance that Harry and TJ could be brought in as faces if they came in as allied with Benoit or against a heel HBK. 

Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 20, 2007, 10:30:22 AM

Quote from: GhostMachine on April 20, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
I suspect they'll be heels, for two reasons: Vince will start milking the Montreal Screwjob for all its worth again and have them act bitter over what happened to Bret (meaning they'll go after Chris Benoit (for using the Sharpshooter from time to time) or HBK as heels when they should go after Vince as faces), and they're Canadian, and we all know the only Canadian who is allowed to be a face in the WWE is Chris Benoit (now that Trish Stratus has retired). I hope they end up on RAW, because I'd love to see Nattie take the women's title off Melina if they don't get sense and have Mickie James take it back. Melina sucks.

I have to disagree here.  There is a good chance that Harry and TJ could be brought in as faces if they came in as allied with Benoit or against a heel HBK. 

Yes, but knowing how idiotic the writers are sometimes (and the way Vince's mind works) they could very well bring Harry and TJ in as faces allied with Benoit, only to turn heel on him and blast him for using the Sharpshooter sometimes. Sort of like how Chavo has gone after both Rey and Benoit using the Guerrero legacy as a motive. Nevermind the fact Benoit actually trained in the Hart Dungeon. Going after HBK could work either way (that is, them as faces, HBK as a heel, or vice versa), but I'd hope they would stay away from that. At least for a while.

I see one major problem with them coming in as a New Hart Foundation, though, if the WWE chooses to go that route: a lot of fans are going to expect Bret to show up at some point, and I think Hell will freeze over....twice....before that actually happens.

Well Hell froze over before it could happen again. And if you want a Frozen snow covered hell it will be if the new hart foundation teamed with HBK <_<

Vince is dead.....Party time!

Quote from: Verfall on June 12, 2007, 03:44:11 AM
Vince is dead.....Party time!

That ending was beyond idiotic, and the majority of fans at the various wrestling boards I visit (all 2 of `em  :P  - well, technically, three, but I haven't even visited one of them lately as I only go there for downloads) think so, as well.

I thought the draft was pretty good, as I don't watch Smackdown or ECW much (SD because there's other things I'd rather watch on when it airs, ECW by choice), but they did the one draft pick I was most hoping they wouldn't: Lashley to RAW. By the same token, one draft pick I really wanted to see happen happened: Mr. Kennedy to RAW. I'm just glad Mark Henry is staying on Smackdown, and hope they don't move him.

Now, if they just draft CM Punk to RAW and Johnny Nitro to Smackdown during the supplemental draft tomorrow......

Its kinda sad how desperate WWE is for ideas and storylines they have to resort to this...and the worst part is the worst(stupidest)part is yet to come .... :doh: but i guess WWE is a much about wrestling as MTV is about music

I think someone switched the Sopranos and McMahon video...

Quote from: ubergreendragon on June 12, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
Its kinda sad how desperate WWE is for ideas and storylines they have to resort to this...and the worst part is the worst(stupidest)part is yet to come .... :doh: but i guess WWE is a much about wrestling as MTV is about music

Why do you think they call it "Sports Entertainment" instead of wrestling and call their talent "Superstars" instead of "Wrestlers"? Its because they prefer to focus on microphone work and storylines instead of the wrestling. Heck, they've even banned so many moves that its not funny and they might as well do away with the cruiserweight division entirely, and a lot of the hate toward Cena's in-ring ability is undeserved because he's not allowed to show what he can really do. (He was a LOT better in the ring when he was on Smackdown, because back then he was allowed to use more moves; the Throwback was a regular part of his arsenal and I think he's used it maybe 3 times in the last year.....)

A true diva has died today. Sensational Sherri has passed away at the age of 49. Damn.

And on to sadder news

QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.
Tonight's Raw on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family. WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy.

This sucks big time. I loved Benoit and am going to miss him.

R.I.P Chris Benoit.

Quote from: General Jerky on June 25, 2007, 03:34:34 PM
And on to sadder news

QuoteWorld Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.
Tonight's Raw on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family. WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy.

This sucks big time. I loved Benoit and am going to miss him.

R.I.P Chris Benoit.

Just to note that Chris's wife Nancy who use to work for WCW and ECW as Woman as well as their son Daniel were also found dead.  Police are investigating the circumstances of the death.

this is very very tragic and terrible  :(

 :(

This is really sad...

Dude, I am so crushed right now. There are 3 scenarios I can think of. 1) Someone broke in and killed them, 2) gas leak where they accidently died or 3) domestic issue like the Hartman's. Any of them is truly tragic. This just sucks. But, for once, Vince is showing some class and not going on with a ridiculous angle. He's actually allowing his employees go home and grieve.

Hmm... I wonder if Vince and the WWE knew last night about this. Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro( Sacramento's own) in the ECW championship match because Benoit had to rush back home for personal issues. Seems weird.

Benoit had to leave the house shows and ppv because his wife and kid were really ill and throwing up blood. There hasnt been much info except that he did not die of gunshot. So out of all of them I would guess 2.

The really sad thing is watching this WWE special I keep hearing about his children, as in plural. I truely feel sorry for his other children who lost their father, mother and brother  :(

He had two sons who weren't in the house at the time. I think it was a gas leak, which might explain the throwing up blood the previous day. This is a sad day, Chris Benoit was a great wrestler and I'll miss him. He was fun to watch and this coming so soon after Eddie must be a great blow. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

Where is this gas leak and throwing up blood stuff coming from? Because all the stuff I've read, the most credible being from AP.....point at it as being a murder-suicide with Benoit being the killer and no guns being involved. No official\credible source I've read has said anything about why Benoit didn't do the PPV except saying it was for "personal reasons", and considering I visit a couple wrestling boards with hundreds of posters, you'd think someone would have mentioned it already.

I do hope the gas leak thing is true, but I can't see why Benoit and his family would stay in the house and not go to hospital for treatment if they were that sick....

And his surviving children are a son and daughter, not two sons, if my memory is correct.

a surviving son, daughter and a step-son (from Nancy's marriage to Kevin Sullivan)

I've heard an early report saying something about Benoit rushing up to care for Nancy and Daniel and that they were throwing up blood. 

However, I have since heard some other stuff about the investigation.  The crime scene is about 45 minutes to an hour from me.  (mostly due to Atlanta traffic.) 

They are waiting to confirm the cause of death till what I am assuming is the preliminary autopsy report tomorrow afternoon.  It appears to be a murder suicide or at least it will be ruled that way regardless of what actually happened there.

sadly it was a murder suicide from what every news source ive seen has said truly this is a sad day for all involved no matter the why .ive been watching wrestling for 25 yrs of my 32 yr life benoit was always one of my favorites sad to see him go sadder to hear how he went sadder still knowing who went with him . god has his reasons