Some comments about tonight's episode:

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So it seems the child might be Matt's after all.  We don't know for sure though.

And it also seems that Matt, and his dad, are full telepaths rather than just mind readers.

Now we know what Niki wants to be cured of.  While it seemed to me that Jessica is already gone, I guess I can buy that.

Well, lookee who Mohinder is being sent to.

Anyway, looking forward to HRG and the Hatian next week.  That can't help but being cool.
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I'm glad Taskmistress seems to be embracing her power - I'm getting sick of people who discover they've got super-powers and then weep about it.  Mohinder showing up right then must seem extremely unlikely to her though, I mean, she just learns that she has powers, and then a guy shows up at her door and says, "I'm the super-power explaining man going door to door.  Able to do anything unusual lately?"  It's also nice to get confirmation that her power is not television/technologically related; I enjoy being right.

Add me to the group that finds Peter and Hiro's storylines boring.  They're two of my favourite characters, but clearly the show-runners have decided the two most powerful heroes needed a time out until the story needs them later in the season.

Mohinder once again wins the dumbest smart guy award, this week by taking Molly right to the people they rescued her from last season.  Good job Mohinder!

My favourite stuff this week was with Matt and Nathan.  Matt's power begins to make a leap forward, and we see just how far it can potentially go in his father.  These two characters aren't normally my favourite, but they are the ones actually out doing something that seems to matter, and the show could use more of that right now.
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A few thoughts:

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There were two good things about this episode: no West, and Matt and Nathan's storyline.  The last one was mainly because of its good quality overall (that scene where Matt and Nathan were fighting each other was just excellent), but partly because it was the only storyline in which something actually happened.  And I thought this show was slow moving last season.

Hiro and HRG spent this episode just preparing to do something.  Monica practiced a little, then met Mohinder.  Those didn't even set up next episode, they did nothing, though Monica's storyline was kind of enjoyable.  Peter's storyline wouldn't be as bad if it didn't have so many false starts.  He finally opens the box, but doesn't use it to find his identity, even though a quick google search on his name would probably find something (not that he knows that, but it can't hurt to try).  Elle spends the episode looking for him, then gives up at the end for no real reason.  It tried its best at a cliffhanger ending, but it just didn't work.

And worst of all, the show actually reaches back into last season, grabs Niki's Jessica storyline and drags it out into the second season.  That storyline was done, over with.  It has even less of a reason to be here than Sylar.  How hard can it be to come up with a storyline for Niki?

I like that there was a slight suggestion that maybe what we saw in Five Years Gone hasn't been retconned away, but really there is no reason for Janice to lie to Matt about that.  The way the vision of Janice said he read her mind but he insisted he didn't made me think it's just a nightmare.  But I guess it could go either way.
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[spoiler]Finally, we're going somewhere! I feel so special now!

Seriously though, it was nice to see Monica's powers expounded upon, and I'm glad to see that they didn't have Micah using his powers to manipulate her like some of you suggested. I have a few theories on the comic actually... the company likely has copies of anything Isaac's ever done, and if the comic character actually is Monica, it would explain how they found her so fast. If it is the future though... it would be interesting to see someone in spandex.

Matt and Nathan's bit was fantastic, yet despite how well they handled the dad, I'm dissapointed that they've still made him a baddie. I understand that they had to do something to keep him from giving away all the details about the original heroes, but meh.

Peter... we've started moving on that one, which is something at least. That whole "I'm going to do absolutely nothing" bit was irritating, and I'm glad the writers got it out of their systems.

And once again, Hiro does nothing at all. I'm sorry, I like Hiro, but it's about time he teamed up with some of the other heroes and started doing things.

and Conduit, about the whole future thing... I honestly don't think they ever stopped moving towards it it. Think about it- DL is now dead; Mohinder, Parkman and Nathan are all working together; Peter and Hiro are each on darker paths; Claire is already in hiding; and Sylar has absorbed Candice's ability(despite not being able to use it as of yet). They never really stopped the bomb eithor- Peter's still alive, with no real memory of how to control his abilities. All it would take would be something to make Ted's powers emerge, and he wouldn't be able to stop himself.[/spoiler]

Okay, we got about 14 minutes of story in this episode. I think we are back into the holding pattern. This wasn't all bad by any means, but the overall pacing is pathetic. If a character shows up with soporific powers, how will we even notice? :P Yeesh.

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First, Tomato, I like your notion that maybe the impending apocalypse that motivated last season's arcs is still progressing. They can't get away with doing just that by itself, but it's a workable premise.

Either way, I am expecting an arc at some point that explains that the older specials at one point thought they were in a similar position to where the rest of our heroes were last season. Having to band together to use their powers to save the world, etc.

PS: Did we ever get anything definitive last season about  Sylar's dad? Just wondering...

BTW: "...I'm glad to see that they didn't have Micah using his powers to manipulate her like some of you suggested." Whuh? I guess I missed that part of the thread...

Are we supposed to believe that Nikki just reverted to where she was last season? I mean, come on! I am tempted to think her whole scene was a pre-arranged setup by Bob and the company to convince Mohinder that the company actually does some good. Though, I guess Parkman Sr. or whoever could be messing with her head in order to trigger her multiple personality disorder.

I am hoping Hiro's' arc gets more interesting. It's almost fast-forward-worthy at this point.

Peter's arc is still dead in the water. Assuming that he and Caitlin are actually about to do something besides lay about and snog (which we still don't know that they will), then he is still just now one step past where he was at the end of the season opener.

All that having been said, I liked the NOLA arc. And, count me among those relieved that Monica was cool with having her powers. The next time someone discovers that they can do something very cool and they respond by going into an oh-poor-me whining jag, I just want to scream.

I also liked the Matt and Nathan arc. That is actually moving along. FWIW, we have no idea that Matt and Parkman Sr. have the same powers. At all. The only one saying that was Parkman Sr., and his credibility is zero. As far as we know, Matt might have tried to look into his head and seen a nightmare Parkman Sr. had planted there for Matt to see. The ability to project nightmares is obviously a mental power of some sort, but we don't know that he can or ever could read minds and we have no idea that Matt will ever get the nightmare ability.

Where were HRG and the Haitian when Mohinder called? I mean, not where were they really, since it looked like they were walking across a CGI backdrop, but was it supposed to be of a city in Europe or maybe Quebec? I didn't recognize it.

Anyway, so HRG is lying to Mohinder about what he is up to. Interesting.

And, yeah, Mohinder is playing the doofus again, taking Molly to the company. Whatever the opposite of an idiot savant is, he's it.

I am curious to see who Elle's father is. Too bad she's evil, though.[/spoiler]

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Quote from: stumpy on October 22, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
Where were HRG and the Haitian when Mohinder called? I mean, not where were they really, since it looked like they were walking across a CGI backdrop, but was it supposed to be of a city in Europe or maybe Quebec? I didn't recognize it.

They made a reference last episode that the Haitian tracked down another of Isaac's paintings in Odessa...Ukraine.  At least I'm pretty sure it was the Ukraine, since a quick wikipedia search only gave me that Odessa in Europe. 

Quote from: stumpy on October 22, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
And, yeah, Mohinder is playing the doofus again, taking Molly to the company. Whatever the opposite of an idiot savant is, he's it.

I believe we call that a moron :P

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I am curious to see who Elle's father is. Too bad she's evil, though.

I'm so glad she's evil.  That's exactly what we need at this point in the season, someone who will hopefully be adding a bit of conflict and interest to this coma-inducing storyline. 

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I'd write more, but I'd be late for class then.  Maybe later.

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Quote from: Adamence on October 23, 2007, 04:52:53 AMThey made a reference last episode that the Haitian tracked down another of Isaac's paintings in Odessa...Ukraine.  At least I'm pretty sure it was the Ukraine, since a quick wikipedia search only gave me that Odessa in Europe.

Thanks. Odessa is one of those town names like Springfield; I know of several in the U.S. and Canada, though the one shown looked European. I don't know much about the architecture in the Ukraine, so I can't tell by the background. It would have been nice if there had been some writing, a more famous landmark, or something similar to give us a hint.

Quote from: Adamence on October 23, 2007, 04:52:53 AMI believe we call that a moron :P

Ha. That's a pretty good word for Mohinder at the moment. What I meant was that idiot savants are known for having barely functional abilities in most day-to-day situations but they are very gifted in one or two specialty areas. Mohinder is kind of the compliment of that. If you were to meet him in a day-to-day situation, you might think he was very bright, but when it comes to judging dangerous people and situations, he is barely functional.

Quote from: Adamence on October 23, 2007, 04:52:53 AMI'm so glad she's evil.  That's exactly what we need at this point in the season, someone who will hopefully be adding a bit of conflict and interest to this coma-inducing storyline.

I don't mind that Elle is evil, per se. A well-played evil character can really make a show interesting, define it even. But, wicked people in this show tend to have short-lived roles, aside from Sylar. I just hope she isn't killed off too soon.[/spoiler]

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Quote from: stumpy on October 23, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
I don't mind that Elle is evil, per se. A well-played evil character can really make a show interesting, define it even. But, wicked people in this show tend to have short-lived roles, aside from Sylar. I just hope she isn't killed off too soon.

You're right about them killing off people too much, not just the wicked ones.  But from what I read a few months ago, she was supposed to be in at least 13 episodes, so here's hoping they don't kill her off. 

Quote from: stumpy on October 23, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
Ha. That's a pretty good word for Mohinder at the moment. What I meant was that idiot savants are known for having barely functional abilities in most day-to-day situations but they are very gifted in one or two specialty areas. Mohinder is kind of the compliment of that. If you were to meet him in a day-to-day situation, you might think he was very bright, but when it comes to judging dangerous people and situations, he is barely functional.

He definitely seems to be far too trusting, especially of a dangerous organization that spied on him and routinely goes around abducting and harming people.  I believe he needs to get a clue that the company ain't so great.  The company definitely needs him more than he needs them.
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Quote from: stumpy on October 22, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
I also liked the Matt and Nathan arc. That is actually moving along. FWIW, we have no idea that Matt and Parkman Sr. have the same powers. At all. The only one saying that was Parkman Sr., and his credibility is zero. As far as we know, Matt might have tried to look into his head and seen a nightmare Parkman Sr. had planted there for Matt to see. The ability to project nightmares is obviously a mental power of some sort, but we don't know that he can or ever could read minds and we have no idea that Matt will ever get the nightmare ability.

Whether Matt will ever get the nightmare ability or not (you're right, we only have the testimony of his jerky father for it) he did manage to mentally broadcast, and break
the illusion, which is a step up from just reading other people's thoughts.
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Tomato, when I said the events of Five Years Gone, I was just referring to the scene where we learned that Janice's kid is named after Matt, sends him crayon drawings of himself and mommy from hiding, and has a power.  As to the rest of the events of that  timeline, I seriously doubt that they're still going to happen.  One of, if not the most important part of it was how Nathan, as the new congressman from New York, used the aftermath of the explosion to rally the public, institute his policies, and eventually get himself (or Sylar in his place, depending on when Sylar took his identity) elected president.  Nathan's pretty much given up on politics now, and even if he decides to get back into it (and start listening to his mom again), there won't be another congressional election for 2 years.  And after that, he'll have to wait another 4 years if he wants to become president.

The similar events you listed are just coincidences.  Matt, Mohinder, and Nathan aren't with the government, and they're working with HRG too.  Claire isn't hiding from the government, but from the Company.  And DL being dead is a huge change from the FYG timeline.  Sylar had DL's phasing power, and if he can't get Eden's power after she shot herself in the brain, then he can't get DL's power after his brain has gone through months of decay.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Story-wise, I didn't mind Mohinder taking Molly to the Company so much.  He explained his reasons - she's a person with a Power, and went into her current state from mental contact with another Power.  This is not a field of medicine that any conventional hospital would have experience with.  Mohinder clearly does not want to take chances when it comes to protecting Molly - hence, the desire to take her to the institution most likely to know how to keep her from dying.

Granted, this puts Molly in all sorts of other danger.  But it has the best chance of keeping Molly alive.  With Mohinder acting as a de facto parent to Molly, I can excuse certain lapses in judgment.  Parents often have overprotective urges when it comes to their kids.[/spoiler]

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Quote from: Conduit on October 23, 2007, 10:57:52 AM
Tomato, when I said the events of Five Years Gone, I was just referring to the scene where we learned that Janice's kid is named after Matt, sends him crayon drawings of himself and mommy from hiding, and has a power.  As to the rest of the events of that  timeline, I seriously doubt that they're still going to happen.  One of, if not the most important part of it was how Nathan, as the new congressman from New York, used the aftermath of the explosion to rally the public, institute his policies, and eventually get himself (or Sylar in his place, depending on when Sylar took his identity) elected president.  Nathan's pretty much given up on politics now, and even if he decides to get back into it (and start listening to his mom again), there won't be another congressional election for 2 years.  And after that, he'll have to wait another 4 years if he wants to become president.

The similar events you listed are just coincidences.  Matt, Mohinder, and Nathan aren't with the government, and they're working with HRG too.  Claire isn't hiding from the government, but from the Company.  And DL being dead is a huge change from the FYG timeline.  Sylar had DL's phasing power, and if he can't get Eden's power after she shot herself in the brain, then he can't get DL's power after his brain has gone through months of decay.

Addressing each point individually:

For now Nathan might have given up on it, but if something happens to make him think he can save the world within the government, or if Sylar does take him over and goes into politics himself? Matt would likely be brought into it since he's a cop anyway, and Mohinder is idiotic enough to believe him.

I don't recall the episode saying specifically that DL died at Sylar's hands (though I admit I'm running on memory), so he could very well have gotten the power elsewhere. Healing has already repeated, as has flight, it's not illogical to assume that we'll see another person with Phasing abilities at some point.

As I recall, the company and government merged if only in purpose because Sylar-Nathan was looking for super-powered individuals. Regardless though, my point is that she's being prepared for spending a lifetime running from enemies.

Finally though, and I think this might be what you're missing- I didn't nescessarily mean that it had to be 100% exact. Whether they avoided that fate or not, Hiro changed the timeline, so there's bound to be some differences. I'm just pointing out that there have been an awful lot of ties to "Five Years Gone", and I happen to go by the old addage "When a coincidence repeats itself time and time again, it ceases to be a coincidence" They might not be going exactly in that direction, but we aren't moving further away from that future eithor.
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[spoiler]In regards to Matt and his father:  I agree there isn't definitive evidence that the father shares Matt's power (or vice versa as genetics usually go), but I think the father's smug sense of satisfaction as he left Matt and Nathan was pretty strong proof that HE (not anyone else) had trapped them.

On another, semi-related note, did anyone else get an inkling that Candance might be a half-sister to Matt?  I immediately thought of her when Matt's father (allegedly) created the illusion to trap Matt and Nathan.  And seeming that Matt's father left when Matt was young, there was plenty of time for him to father another super powered child.[/spoiler]

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Quote from: Tomato on October 23, 2007, 11:41:57 AM
Addressing each point individually:

For now Nathan might have given up on it, but if something happens to make him think he can save the world within the government, or if Sylar does take him over and goes into politics himself? Matt would likely be brought into it since he's a cop anyway, and Mohinder is idiotic enough to believe him.

I don't recall the episode saying specifically that DL died at Sylar's hands (though I admit I'm running on memory), so he could very well have gotten the power elsewhere. Healing has already repeated, as has flight, it's not illogical to assume that we'll see another person with Phasing abilities at some point.

As I recall, the company and government merged if only in purpose because Sylar-Nathan was looking for super-powered individuals. Regardless though, my point is that she's being prepared for spending a lifetime running from enemies.

Finally though, and I think this might be what you're missing- I didn't nescessarily mean that it had to be 100% exact. Whether they avoided that fate or not, Hiro changed the timeline, so there's bound to be some differences. I'm just pointing out that there have been an awful lot of ties to "Five Years Gone", and I happen to go by the old addage "When a coincidence repeats itself time and time again, it ceases to be a coincidence" They might not be going exactly in that direction, but we aren't moving further away from that future eithor.

Regardless of whether or not Nathan goes back into politics, he simply cannot get elected to Congress until 2008.  Who knows what will have happened by then?  And if he wants to become president, he'll have to wait another 4 years (there's no way he could get elected president directly from where he is now).  If nothing else, that'll delay things a lot.

In FYG, Hiro said that he brought DL into Bennet so he could hide him.  Bennet later said that because of a deal with Matt Parkman, he turns the "dangerous" people brought to him over to Homeland Security.  We later see Sylar use DL's power.  The implication is that DL was considered dangerous, and that Sylar got him from Homeland Security.  The writers confirmed this sequence of events in an interview.

Hiro also said that he brought Candice into Bennet, and Sylar definitely took her power (he says so himself), so she was turned over to Homeland Security.  The fact that Candice was being hunted by the government is a pretty clear indicator that Homeland Security and the Company were not cooperating at all.  They had a similar aim, but I'd say that there is a big difference between a secret criminal organization and a law enforcement agency.  The government has a lot more people and resources, and it doesn't have to operate in the shadows (remember the scene in 0.07% where HRG, Matt and Ted have lunch at the Burnt Toast Diner after their escape and HRG says that the Company won't try to capture them in a public place).

There may be a few specific things that are similar to the FYG timeline, with certain characters in similar situations, moving towards a similar personality, and cooperating with the same people, but I think the broad, worldwide strokes of a public that knows about, hates and fears specials and the government, led by Nathan/Sylar rounding them up, are very unlikely to happen.

Quote from: Camma on October 23, 2007, 12:44:27 PM
In regards to Matt and his father:  I agree there isn't definitive evidence that the father shares Matt's power (or vice versa as genetics usually go), but I think the father's smug sense of satisfaction as he left Matt and Nathan was pretty strong proof that HE (not anyone else) had trapped them.

On another, semi-related note, did anyone else get an inkling that Candance might be a half-sister to Matt?  I immediately thought of her when Matt's father (allegedly) created the illusion to trap Matt and Nathan.  And seeming that Matt's father left when Matt was young, there was plenty of time for him to father another super powered child

We've seen that the specific type of power that a person has has nothing to do with the specific type of power that their relatives have.  Besides, there's a big difference between Matt's dad and Candice's power.  Matt's dad didn't seem to create a specific illusion, just bring their greatest fears out, and he didn't need to actively maintain it, as it held after he left.
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About Matt's dad:

[spoiler]I'm positive that he was telling the truth when he said they have the same power.  The best evidence is the scene where Matt tries to read his mind.  We got the same type of feedback as when Peter and Matt were both using Matt's powers to read each other's mind.  Since this appears to only result from two mind readers reading each other, we can assume, for now, at least, that Mr. Parkman was telling the truth.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I re-watched that scene before I posted. It wasn't really like the scene when Matt meets Peter. There were no echoed thoughts or anything. If they were trying to show the same effect, they didn't.

That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Parkman Sr can tell when people are mentally latching on to him somehow, as he can with Molly's clairvoyance, and give them some sort of feedback that is part of his nightmare power. All we saw in last night's scene was Matt reacting negatively to trying to get into his father's head and then Matt (not his father) asked if he could read minds, too. Parkman Sr latched onto that, only nodding his head, and then quickly claimed that he and Matt were not so different and pleaded for Matt to remove the handcuffs. I took that as an manipulation ploy to gain sympathy from Matt.

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I also rewatched that scene, and it was nothing like what happened when Peter and Matt had their little telepathic feedback session. 

In that scene, Matt started to read Peter's mind, we had the usual telepathy effects, then scattered thoughts were heard.  Matt and Peter's thought got lost in a scrambled mix, then we heard the telepathy effects shriek a few times, Matt and Peter kind of jerked their heads a bit, then it went away as they stopped.

When Matt tried to read his dad's mind, we heard the telepathy effects for a few seconds, then a rumbling sound built up and what sounded like some sort of mental blast lashed out at Matt, causing him to recoil in pain.  At no point did we hear any thoughts.
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While I haven't seen the last episode or maybe two, I have to say I'm done with this show.  Cool concept aside, semi-truck size plot holes and inconsistent chracterization (at best - often simply absent) has pretty much turned me off of this show.  Peter's story is crap, Maja and Alejandro are on pace to hit New York for the season finale, Parkman is a wanker, Mohinder is a moron, Claire has become the pure Platonic form of a teenager and I'm left only basically giving a damn about HRG and Hiro.  Maybe if the writers' get their poop all in one pile I might be back, but for now I'm left with a heaping serving of "meh."  And I have better things to do than follow meh around.

I may be on the same road. It was sort of an effort to psych up to watch the show Monday. I hate to give up on the concept, but, ultimately, what I enjoy most about the show is discussing it here after. And that is worth enjoying, but I don't know if it is really any recommendation for the show. There are a couple segments every week that I generally enjoy, but I that isn't most of the show and it probably isn't worth getting strung along for a whole season...

I keep going on the hope that they'll catch their stride again and start picking up the pace. *shrug*

While I agree on the generally poor nature of this season so far, I take comfort from the fact that Season 2 is supposed to contain Volumes II AND III of Heroes.  So I'm hoping that all this nonsense and boneheaded decisions get wrapped up soon and Volume III allows a fresh start and a return to the higher quality of season one.

Till then I'll keep watching because Kristen Bell is hot, and I'm shallow :D. 

Amen to that! Veronica Mars as a super vixen is pretty damn cool.

But seriously guys, re: the plot-holes and dumb characters ... Season 1 was absolutely riddled with them. This is show is just good-looking, lightweight, fluffy entertainment for people too impatient to enjoy the sloooowly unravelling mystery of Lost.

Take it on face value and enjoy or try and dig deeper and be disappointed (or just buy Carnivale on DVD).

Never liked lost...never will

I feel the show is going downhill...but i have several friends i game with that come over and watch the show, i basicly dont have a choice lol, but i will watch it and have fun with the parts that are good, and there are good parts, its just the same formula will not work as it did with season one, there shoulld be a larger stable of characters(that stay together planning and such) that the show revolves around and less seperate stories to distract from the plot(s)

Quote from: ips on October 26, 2007, 06:04:16 AM
after thinking about it, i honestly feel like i enjoyed the show last year more, before i started following this thread.

the posters in here really tend to pick apart the episodes and nitpick every little nuance and it's contributing to my dislike of the show because it makes me overly critical of it. last year i was just accepting it as a fun piece of entertainment like jakew suggests. i think i'll see how that goes for a while.

Wow man, you took the exact words right out of my mouth!   I used to follow the show on a weekly basis and enjoyed it very much anticipating on what will come next week, then I started following this thread and looking at the threads on the official site, and you are right, there are soo many "fans" that pick apart every single minute aspect of the show as if they know how to write a better show.   Who cares if Claire was shown wearing earings in a scene when her healing power should heal her earring holes........jeeeze wizzz, its a make believe fantasy show.

end rant, and I'll still follow all the threads........

I don't mean to be flippant, but if y'all dislike the threads so much, you don't really have to read them, right?  I mean, if they interfere with your enjoyment of the show, just stop visiting this thread.  I agree that people here over analyze, but that's fan nature.  It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the show any.

Maybe so, but since I started this particular thread, I am going to ask that you all kindly try to restrict this thread from now on to observing and theorizing and keep the complaints about what you don't like and the nit-picking out of it form now on.  Nothing's stopping you from making your own thread, and if this helps some folks enjoy the show more, than it's worth it.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 26, 2007, 11:17:19 PM
Maybe so, but since I started this particular thread, I am going to ask that you all kindly try to restrict this thread from now on to observing and theorizing and keep the complaints about what you don't like and the nit-picking out of it form now on.  Nothing's stopping you from making your own thread, and if this helps some folks enjoy the show more, than it's worth it.

Agreed.  Although forum threads are kind of like children growing up - despite what you might hope and plan for them they'll go off and do what ever they want and all you can do is hope for the best. ;)

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 26, 2007, 11:17:19 PMNothing's stopping you from making your own thread, and if this helps some folks enjoy the show more, than it's worth it.

I also think Cat's right: It would be worth it to start a more open thread for people to enjoy. Obviously, many people wouldn't bother posting in a thread where details and weaknesses in the show couldn't be discussed, but such things bother other people, so another thread is in order.

Perhaps Monday will be time to start an "Open Heroes Discussion" thread for discussion of all aspects of the show and episodes, with the usual appreciation for thoughtful observations, but no restriction that they be uniformly positive. Comments and speculation concerning both the cool stuff and also the show's shortcomings would be welcome.

I think the creating a new thread idea is fair.  That'll allow the details and weaknesses to be discussed without depressing everyone else.  And even the worst of the episodes have had some good parts, so I'll still have some to talk about here.

On another note:

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I haven't watched it myself, but apparently, in the online cast commentary for the last episode, it was confirmed that Matt's dad was lying about having the same power as Matt.
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So lets make an extra thread, so people dont see negative coments? why make more threads when all i have ever heard from sites was not to duplicate threads to save space?

I wonder when every thread will have a negative thread counterpart, i find it funny and somewhat sad,but hey to each his own