DC's Captain Marvel?

[YoungHeros]

i will love to have Captain Marvel in my :ffvstr: :D

but i dont know how powerful his attacks are and about his stats and stuff :blink:

[wickerman]

basically, he is superman without the ranged attacks and his invulnerability extends to mystic attacks as well.  I am at my laptop so no FF, but I did roughly:

Strength - 10
Speed - 7
Agility - 7
Endurance - 10
Energy - 8

flier
invulnerability(30)
focus*
tough guy
shake it off
grim resolve
fearless
(there is a combo attribute in there somewhere I can't remember what is in it!)

* focus is for his single area attack thanks to the double damage of focus, the attack routinely hurts big guns like superman

powers:

Mighty Punch - very high magnitude/high knockback/medium stun
power of zues - extreme damage small radius lightning attack/high stun
Strength of Hercules - 300 percenter
speed of mercury - multi contact high damage punches medium knockback medium stun

prolly some other stuff i can;t remember

[YoungHeros]

oh my god thank you :)

[SingleMalt]

I gave my Captain Marvel flawed invulnerability to represent Achilles's weakness. From Achilles, Marvel gets his invulnerability. Flawed invulnerability works great with this, just wished I could change the default level of flawed invulnerability from 30 to 50 or 75.

[Kenn]

I gave my Captain Marvel flawed invulnerability to represent Achilles's weakness. From Achilles, Marvel gets his invulnerability. Flawed invulnerability works great with this, just wished I could change the default level of flawed invulnerability from 30 to 50 or 75.

Actually, Captain Marvel gets his COURAGE from Achilles.   His invulnerability is primarily covered by his having the Stamina of Atlas.  The Power of Zeus may be a bonus to it as well.

The only list of Captain Marvel's ability that listed Achilles' Heal was in the text under the one page of Captain Marvel reprint that was included in The Great Comic Book Heroes by Jules Feiffer.   Same list omitted the speed of Mercury and said that 'M is for the Many Things...' and if you know that song...

You should be able to find the logic in the FFX.PY.   Put it in a text editor and search on FLAWED.  Bet you can find where the 30 is set.

[USAgent]

My Captain Marvel hero file:

Str: 9
Spd: 6
Agl: 6
End: 8
eng: 6

attributes:
Flier
danger sense (wisdom of solomon)
temperature control
strange visitor
physical resistance
fearless should be in there too to represent his courage or Achilles

(I dont like using any invunerable attributes ecpecially over 15 because any over 30,50, and 75 is simply too much, there would be only a rare couple characters that might cause damage to them, and with the thousands of characters out there that would make things rather dull)

material: stone

powers:
Shazam smack: very high damage no energy punch
worlds mightest punch: very high (level 2) punch with extreme knockback (low energy)
crushing combo: 3 hit high damage combo (med energy)
speed of mercury: sprint
power of zeus: 300 percenter
strength of hercules: Crushing area attack
stamina of atlas: occasional deflecting passing defense
Shazam! lightning strike: area lightning attack, high stun

for Captain Marvel jr and Mary Marvel I lowered their strength and endurance one level and lowered a couple of the melee attacks damage one notch. But all of the powers are the same.

[captmorgan72]

I gave my Captain Marvel flawed invulnerability to represent Achilles's weakness. From Achilles, Marvel gets his invulnerability. Flawed invulnerability works great with this, just wished I could change the default level of flawed invulnerability from 30 to 50 or 75.

Actually, Captain Marvel gets his COURAGE from Achilles.   His invulnerability is primarily covered by his having the Stamina of Atlas.  The Power of Zeus may be a bonus to it as well.

The only list of Captain Marvel's ability that listed Achilles' Heal was in the text under the one page of Captain Marvel reprint that was included in The Great Comic Book Heroes by Jules Feiffer.   Same list omitted the speed of Mercury and said that 'M is for the Many Things...' and if you know that song...

You should be able to find the logic in the FFX.PY.   Put it in a text editor and search on FLAWED.  Bet you can find where the 30 is set.

Check out Trials of Shazam issue 5 and you will see that Achilles gave Freddy near invulnerability. I also thought that the invulnerability should come from Achilles anyway, makes more sense. The stamina of Atlas gives Freddy or Billy limitless endurance meaning they never get tired. This is represented by making all his powers cost no energy. The achilles heel was my idea, figured if Achilles had it so wouldn't Billy/Freddy. Makes things more interesting.

[wickerman]

(I dont like using any invunerable attributes ecpecially over 15 because any over 30,50, and 75 is simply too much, there would be only a rare couple characters that might cause damage to them, and with the thousands of characters out there that would make things rather dull)

While i certainly understand this thinking from a game play standpoint, I go for a *little* more 'realism'.  IMO there are only a rare couple of folks who could even tickle Cap Marvel.  Nothing annoys me more in a dangerroom battle than Hawkeye or Captain America hurting Captain Marvel. 

Like I said, I fully understand the thought process,  but in my mind, The Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Superman, Wonder Woman and a handful of others are about the only ones who should even get out of bed in the morning if they know Captain Marvel is itching for a fight...

[USAgent]

I very much agree with your comment Wickerman, those characters are some of the select few (besides super cosmics types) who would stand a chance let alone hurt Captain Marvel.  No attack Spidey, Captain A, Daredevil or the likes would even scratch him..................in a comic book.   But this is a video game which should be fun and a challenge to play, it would be kinda dull only playing Captain Marvel against those select few over and over, it certainly wouldnt be fun playing him vs a couple dozen street level villains where no attacks do anything to him, comic book reaism yes, but video game playability not so much.
Now the way my hero files are set up, Captain America, Hawkeye, Spidey would definatly not stand a chance against Marvel, but they COULD take a little damage off him, probably like 1-3 points a hit, so if he just happens to be surrounded by some minor villains, they will take some health off him, not much but some.  But with 50 or 75 invunerable points, why even bother.
Thats just what I'm getting at, I try to be true to the comics as best as I can and also keep the game fun and interesting at the same time.

[Kenn]

Check out Trials of Shazam issue 5 and you will see that Achilles gave Freddy near invulnerability. I also thought that the invulnerability should come from Achilles anyway, makes more sense. The stamina of Atlas gives Freddy or Billy limitless endurance meaning they never get tired. This is represented by making all his powers cost no energy. The achilles heel was my idea, figured if Achilles had it so wouldn't Billy/Freddy. Makes things more interesting.

Sorry.  I've been reading Captain Marvel since I was 6 or so, including Shazam, from the 40s to the 70s, so my vision of the good Captain is based on a much broader set of stories than one particular story that I figure, once it will take about a year after it's done for Superboy-Prime to punch a wall and erase. 

[captmorgan72]

While I respect the fact that you have been reading Captain Marvel for as long as you have, I have to disagree with Marvel getting his invulnerability from the Titan Atlas. I also should say that Marvel gets only a portion of the god's powers. If he had all of the powers of the three Gods, one Titan and two legendary humans, he would be unstoppable. No one could match him.

I have read sources explaining that Marvel gets his invulnerability from Atlas but that doesn't make sense. Since when does stamina have anything to do with invulnerability? Stamina means endurance, meaning how much you can do before you tire. Atlas never tires so Marvel doesn't either. From Achilles Marvel gets courage, but is that all he gets from the greatest mortal warrior to ever walk the earth? How about the one thing Achilles is most famous for, his near invulnerability? I think Bill Parker was drinking too much when he came up with the sources of Marvel's powers. Some make sense and some do not. They should all fit within the mythology of the gods he gets his powers from. From Solomon he gets wisdom, from Hercules he gets strength, from Atlas he gets stamina, from Zeus he gets a portion of his power granting him the ability to call down magic lightning, resistance to magic and other enhancements to his other abilities, from Achilles he gets courage and invulnerability and from Mercury he gets the gift of flight and godly speed.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

If a two year old came up to me and punched me in the gut, I would barely notice.  Why?  Because my stamina is so high that I might as well be invulnerable to his attacks.  It does effect me, but so little that it only takes mere seconds to recover.

(stamina is used to mean general toughness, or how much of a beating you can take, as well as referring to getting tired)

[Revenant]

If a two year old came up to me and punched me in the gut, I would barely notice. 

Try spending 20 hours in a car with one!

[captmorgan72]

The definition of stamina according to the English dictionary:

Energy and staying power, especially of the kind that is needed to tackle and withstand prolonged physical or mental exertion.

Notice the word EXERTION that means use of physical or mental energy. It does not mean withstanding physical punishment!

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

The connotation and common use of the word goes far beyond some bland dictionary definition used to define one's narrow understanding of a concept.

But if you really want to play that game. . .

American Heritage

Physical or moral strength to resist or withstand illness, fatigue, or hardship; endurance.

Princeton University

enduring strength and energy

Meriam Webster

Etymology: Latin, plural of stamen warp, thread of life spun by the Fates
: STAYING POWER, ENDURANCE

Many of them agree with you, but others do note that it is often used as a synonym for endurance.

[Revenant]

I've seen the word Stamina used to indicate staying power... as in a boxing match, you need to have enough of it to withstand numerous blows.  If Atlas can hold up the weight of the world for eternity, he has not only unlimited energy, but the "staying power" to shrug off any injury. 

[captmorgan72]

If I withstood 1000 punches to the face and laughed it off I would exhibit high invulnerability to physical damage. If I spent an hour dodging and parrying those same punches without breaking a sweat I would exhibit a high stamina. Bruce Lee once said that it is important to train your lungs and heart along with your feet and fist, because if you have a weak stamina you will never last in a fight. It is the physical exertion, the resistance to the muscle lactic acid build up that defines stamina not the trauma of force done to the body.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

You're using an extremely narrow use the word stamina.  In an athletic sense you are correct, but we're talking common venacular here, not technical use of a word.

[Revenant]

And words can change over time.. I always assumed that the writer meant the Stamina of Atlas gave him lots of energy, and the Courage of Achilles meant that since he had so much power, he could be as fearless as Achilles was on the battlefield.  It gave the story a magical, mythic feel that the words were used in a different, other-cultural way.

Remember that Achilles had to protect his heel, but Billy has no such flaw.  And I don't think that Achilles' invulnerability meant that arrows would neccessarily "bounce" off him, like they do the Marvels.. it was sort of a magical spell that prevented anything from touching him.  In the myths, you don't often see heroes with skin so tough that weapons can't cut through it.  Myths were actually more realistic in that way; Heracles was invulnerable because the pelt of the Nemean Lion he wore could not be cut (he slew the Lion by strangulation).

I would agree that Achilles gives the Marvels his invulnerability if they each had an Achilles' heel, but they dont.

[captmorgan72]

 That's because in the context of what we are talking about it is relevant. How else can you describe the stamina of Atlas? You say I am using stamina in a narrow way. We are talking about what it means when Marvel processes the stamina of Atlas. What is Atlas known for? Withstanding massive physical punishment? No, he is known for holding the earth on his shoulders for all eternity, a display of godly stamina. What is Achilles known for? His courage on the battlefield and his invulnerability.

[captmorgan72]

Rev, Achilles does in fact give Freddy his invulnerability in the Trials of Shazam.

[Revenant]

Rev, Achilles does in fact give Freddy his invulnerability in the Trials of Shazam.

i know, and I like your idea of continuing the Achilles' heel effect in the game.  Putting in a weakness makes gameplay more engaging and fun.  But I was basing my concept of the Marvels, like Kenn, on the original descriptions.  TOS makes changes to the character that are really new, and haven't taken hold on the minds of readers who have known the characters for years or decades..

[Urthman]

I still say that "Courage of Achilles" is a figure of speech referring to invulnerability.  It's sort of like referring to alcohol as "Dutch courage" (the courage you feel from being drunk).  Achilles wasn't courageous because he was a Hal Jordan Man Without Fear.  He acted courageous because nothing could hurt him.  Achilles's courage wasn't a mental/moral virtue like the Wisdom of Solomon, it was a physical attribute.

[Epimethee]

I still say that "Courage of Achilles" is a figure of speech referring to invulnerability.  It's sort of like referring to alcohol as "Dutch courage" (the courage you feel from being drunk).  Achilles wasn't courageous because he was a Hal Jordan Man Without Fear.  He acted courageous because nothing could hurt him.  Achilles's courage wasn't a mental/moral virtue like the Wisdom of Solomon, it was a physical attribute.

I'm getting a bit off-topic here, but in Homer, Achille's courage didn't come from his invulnerability: he wanted to go to Troy even though he knew he was going to die there. "One year as a lion or one hundred as a donkey?"