NOV 09 "War never changes."

[Podmark]

I must admit I definitely see where AA is coming. Alot of your skins have similar design patterns.

[Voltimax]

You know the one thing I dislike about this forum is that people will be patting you on the back one minute then kicking you in the arse the next.

Sorry if that offends you guys that are criticizing Carr, but I really don't care if I am. I'm sure I'm not the only one that knows Carr outside of this forum and I know he skins for himself, no one else.

So what if his skins look generic? All superhero/villain skins look generic. I mean let's face it there are thousands of them out there now. One thing I know about Carr's characters as does HQ etc is that it isn't just the costume design. Carr puts in a lot of character development and not just the character but the universe in which they exist.

I find it very amusing that the ones that are criticizing, primarily only skin other peoples characters.

[AfghanAnt]

Sorry if that offends you guys that are criticizing Carr, but I really don't care if I am.

I think you are mistaking critique for criticizing. I have not seen anyone once state "that sucks" or "I don't like at" in fact he received praise for his ability to skin and his tenacity from me and others but he also received feedback on the overall design for Spartas and others. I personally think his last couple of skins have become very predictable and I just think he can do better than the obvious in costume design (he has done so before).

So what if his skins look generic? All superhero/villain skins look generic. I mean let's face it there are thousands of them out there now. One thing I know about Carr's characters as does HQ etc is that it isn't just the costume design. Carr puts in a lot of character development and not just the character but the universe in which they exist.

All superheroes/villain look generic? Are you serious with this comment? I am sure you can tell the difference between a new character like Invincible and Superman right even though they have the same alien/uber-mensch background?

This was not an critique on the characters development or "universe", it was a critique on Carr's design. So there is no need to bring up this points other than trying to dance around the topic.

I find it very amusing that the ones that are criticizing, primarily only skin other peoples characters.

Last time I checked Cas is doing a whole line of redesigns (yes redesign count as new designs) and new characters, Unko has a huge and interesting collection of originals and I have a broad spectrum of skins which include everything from originals to owned. Again this has nothing to do with design which is what the comments were made towards.

For the record, I never once thought the character was lame or any other characters he's done as such. I do think his design leave something to the imagine and as a friend I thought I could give him my honest opinion rather than posting "OMG dat dude iz teh leetzors, Carr. He pwns teh Grecian w0rld!!!!".  God forbid we start being honest with people we know. <_<

EDIT: As I've posted here and responded to a pm to Carr, it was critique on his costume design work as of late. I wouldn't have posted if I didn't think it would help or if I didn't think he was mature enough to read it. I think Carr is super-talented and I think he knows that.

[Previsionary]

You know the one thing I dislike about this forum is that people will be patting you on the back one minute then kicking you in the arse the next.

Sorry if that offends you guys that are criticizing Carr, but I really don't care if I am. I'm sure I'm not the only one that knows Carr outside of this forum and I know he skins for himself, no one else.

So what if his skins look generic? All superhero/villain skins look generic. I mean let's face it there are thousands of them out there now. One thing I know about Carr's characters as does HQ etc is that it isn't just the costume design. Carr puts in a lot of character development and not just the character but the universe in which they exist.

I find it very amusing that the ones that are criticizing, primarily only skin other peoples characters.

Oh Volti,

there's the dramatic side I know and love to hate (:P). Looky, didn't we all ask for honest critiques back in my thread. Carra said it was ok to be honest with him. People are giving it to him. Carravaggio's a big boy and he'll deal with any issues he may have on his own. Don't have to stir the pot because you "think" he may be offended or people are jumping on his back. Let's not jump off on baseless assumptions and go into assault mode unless you actually know what the posters are actually saying/thinking. Cool the jets, bud, or you might go up in fiery flames of firedom! ^_^

As a side note...this "originals vs. mainstream" divide is kinda odd. Not only did this start a full two days after I saw a comment on a youtube video, but it keeps being brought up like it's some type of negative trait to skin something that's mainstream. What. Is. That. About.

[Blkcasanova247]

Hey Voltimax,
      I think that you need to check yourself man. Not a single person here has said anything to "slight" Carravagio; no one is "kicking" him in the arse! Carravagio is an outstanding artist. OUTSTANDING! All anybody did here was express an "opinion" about what could make the piece a little better. A "critique"...one that Carr could certainly take or leave at his discretion. We all post stuff for folks to give a little feedback...and I never say anything on this board that I don't mean. If I think somebodies work rocks I let 'em know...if I think it could be better I express my opinon in a constuctive way on how it could be improved. As I would expect anyone in this community to do the same with my skopes or drawings...I'm not vain enough to think that I always get it right...a fresh "set of eye's" can help a great deal...at least thats been my experience.

[doctorchallenger]

I generally don't comment much on anybody's skin thread, largely because my technical expertise is minimal, so I don't have much of a critique to offer.  Such things have been said by myself and others. 

I think both AA and Volti have valid points which, I think, do not mutually contradict one another.  AA points out that Carr seems to have some generic elements to his skinning, and Volti point out that superhero design in general has generic elements.  I would argue, based on looking over the range of Carr's work, that the "generic quality" to his work is a key element in his designmanship.  Looking at his NPI pages, he seems to try and create designs that would "fit" within the design sensibilities of mainstream comics in a given era - for example, many of Carr's golden age designs at NPI seem to me as if they could have been characters from that period.  I would liken Carr's work to the kind of thinking that Ross and Anderson put into Astro City.  I think that Carr strikes a good balance between Originality and the evokation of superhero conventions. I have not seen a post thus far that would disagree with that.  Could it be stretched? Only Carr can really answer that.

To Carr specifically. I think Spartan is a strong design. My major critique would be the mask-under-the-helmet element - it just seems odd to me.  The bodysuit seems very post-Cockrum/Byrne-1980s, but the mask under the helmet seem very Golden Agey, so they don't fit well together in my mind. But that is, of course, my opinion.  A possible remedy to it might be to skin the head as if it were mask designed to evoke a helmet. 

I'll shut up now.

[herodad1]

i think being able to hear the positives and the negatives can put out a better end result.i like the spartas character.i like his look.he wants to fit in with the rest of his super peers but still hold on to aspects of ancient times.the look of both eras."IF" i were to add anything maybe some metal wrist guantlets and boot and shin guards to match his helmet.great work my friend.by the way...hope everythings well with you.

[Voltimax]

Well guys I expressed an opinion and cas, I don't need to check myself.

I guess I just really objected to the way in which the critique was delivered more than anything else and the fact that others jumped on the 'band wagon'.

I have also sent a PM to Carr apologizing for jumping in on his thread. My outburst may have been too scathing.

I will say this however, I have listened to people bellyaching about this forum and I have also bellyached my fair share of it to them. I find it very hypocritical now that certain people are jumping on me for my opinions and you know who you are.

I won't post here again, because I don't want to turn Carrs thread into a battleground. If anyone should want to take it up with me, then feel free to PM me, but be warned I'm not the nice guy I used to be.

[AfghanAnt]

i think being able to hear the positives and the negatives can put out a better end result.i like the spartas character.i like his look.he wants to fit in with the rest of his super peers but still hold on to aspects of ancient times.the look of both eras.

This may seem harsh but I'm sorry that comment read as you projecting your excuse for why Carr's design is good.

I guess I just really objected to the way in which the critique was delivered more than anything else and the fact that others jumped on the 'band wagon'.

I think if someone agree with a statement it is not jumping on the bandwagon, it's agreeing. I think when more than one person feel the same way about a design that is a clear indication that there is a problem.

I will say this however, I have listened to people bellyaching about this forum and I have also bellyached my fair share of it to them. I find it very hypocritical now that certain people are jumping on me for my opinions and you know who you are.

I think you need to look up the word hypocritical and it is obvious you are referring to me. Voltimax, if I have enough respect to quote your comments and reply, you should have enough respect to address me. Handled over pm, ignore.

[BentonGrey]

Yeah, I think that is quite enough of that.  Let's get back to the skins, and the commentary thereon. 

[Voltimax]

I said I wouldn't post here again, but I feel I should.

I have spoken with several people via PM or yahoo. It would seem I have stepped out of line, something I've never done either as Voltimax or Shazam.

First off I want to apologize to AA for appearing to single him out, that wasn't my intention.
Secondly I'll apologize publicly to Carr for doing it in his thread, I have PM'd him to apologize personally.
Thirdly I'll apologize to Unkoman, who it may seem I accused of only skinning originals, we all of us know that isn't true.
Fourthly I'll apologize to anyone else I most likely offended. I have no excuses, or at least none to offer.

Anyway I've said my piece and I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong, now I'll be on me way.

[UnkoMan]

Wow. Glad I missed that drama. My mama isn't even anywhere near me.

Anyhow, I just thought of the major thing bugging me about this costume... The black piece in the middle ending in a line there. It seems odd to me, especially when you have sharper elements (gloves, helmet) that would suggest it should also end in a point. Granted, maybe you don't want it to look like it's pointing at the crotch but really, I've seen that work. Well. I think that, and maybe some rimming or more detail on the helmet, would kick it up a bit. I might suggest some togaish elements too, or perhaps light armourment? But if you don't want to go that route then that is fine.

As to my calling them generic, I realize now it sounds like a harsher word than I intended it. I meant it more compairable to say... the Legion of Super Heroes. When I look at their costumes (depending on the run) and I look at somebody like say Thor, Thor sticks out a lot more (especially in his most recent outfit). The just sort of blend more into the super hero world. Hopefully I didn't sound like I was dissing you or anything. I think you're a fantastic skinner.

EDIT: Oh and no need to apologize to me Volt. Like Prev said, I don't get the "mainstream vs. originals" devide. I skin originals simply because I like to see my own characters and because better skinners than me have probably already skinned the mainstream characters. Even back when I did skin mainstream I tended to just stick to characters I hadn't seen skinned anywhere else, for the same reasons.

[Carravaggio]

So....
How great is Fallout 3? All the changes to the game play doesn't detract from the immersive environments and the adherence to the lore of the universe. I'm loving it. People call me The Paladin, and they give me stuff to help me on my quest to clean up the wasteland and track down Liam Neeson in a Dick Grayson like need for fatherly acceptance.
Top stuff.
Now...if only someone could merge my two favourite genres/settings, Superheroes and Post Apocalyptia. I remember there used to be a huge PA resource site for FF years ago, with Necromunda ganger meshes and PA versions of people's avatars.
Well its sadly gone now...so I guess its up to me to get my PA/Superhero fix on.

"So the bomb is falling, the heroes followed the rules and didn't get too involved, and now its too late, prepare for that big green mushroom cloud baby. Its even worse than all those old sci fi films. There is rad sickness, horrific mutants and anarchistic raiders. There is murder and starvation and looting and fear...mostly fear. But it'll get better, and lemme tell ya why.
Being the hearty sort, not all the heroes and villains died, just like not all the humans died. They survived, somewhat changed, not often for the better, but in a world of giant, fire breathing mutant ants, I'll take any sort of post human protection I can find, even if he does glow green and render me sterile while he is saving my life. You know its him, the biggest and the best, when you see that green glow coming over the horizon. Lights up the whole sky he does. He ain't as pretty as he used to be, and he ain't one much for talking or kissing babies (thanks goodness, our kids already have three arms) but he is still fighting the good fight, and that makes this new world a heck of a lot more bearable than it would have been otherwise.
There is others, some of the bad guys too. So some loon in a giant robot comes to town to steal all our food, and a flying guy in a cape knocks him down and saves the day. People keep telling me the world has changed forever, but that just sounds like business as usual."

And some concept sketches:













There is a bunch more, but this was all I could colour before I have to go to the dentist. Enjoy, more to come later...if i can get away from Fallout 3 again.

[Podmark]

Those are all very cool sketches. Couldn't even pick a favorite just now.

[Blkcasanova247]

Fave of the concepts...Brain Empire...weird in a totally awesome way! :thumbup: I can see the skopes and skins for 'em already! Very cool stuff! :thumbup:

[Volsung]

Good flavor lured me here  :P

[Carravaggio]

Well I hope the skins and skopes keep you here :)

[Gremlin]

:eek2: These are PHENOMENAL. I'm excited to play with them! :thumbup:

[AfghanAnt]

The Hammerer is a personal fav of mine but they are all great.

[BentonGrey]

Wow!  Those look awesome Car!  I think that Rad Scorpion may be my favorite, but the aquatic character looks pretty awesome too.  Well...they all look awesome.

[UnkoMan]

Now these are some sweet designs. I like how a number of them are clearly recognizable heroes transported to your post apocalyptic world. Cool ideas. I really dig Fish Hook, but can't wait to see The Perfect Man skoped and skinned.

[Lunarman]

Wooot!! Rad Scorpion is awesomesaucum!

[Carravaggio]

Thanks guys.
Skope for Green Sky:



More on the way.

[Outcast]

Now THOSE are some very cool original characters to look forward to.

Awesome designs and sketches. Nuff said. :thumbup:

[Deaths Jester]

There is a bunch more, but this was all I could colour before I have to go to the dentist. Enjoy, more to come later...if i can get away from Fallout 3 again.

I'm having the same problem too.  It's such a grand game that it's keeping me from over two dozen different characters.

[Carravaggio]

A remake of the Texas Ranger, since the old one was lost in a HDD crash



and another skope for the wasteland superheroes idea

[Blkcasanova247]

I really dig this design for Texas Ranger...to bad there isn't a mesh with some cool cowboy boots to skope on him...then he'd be totally awesome. ;)

[Lunarman]

The guy with all the armor looks awesome, I've always been a fan of asymmetric designs.

[djfredski]

 :o wow! look great Carr.
keep us inform?  :thumbup: :D
man that skin look awesome.

[Carravaggio]

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the gangster of love
Some people call me Maurice...



So yeah...The Space Cowboy...bounty hunter, adventurer, cosmic gunslinger.
Some two hundred years ago alien visitors were conducting some routine cow abductions around the American midwest when, quite by accident, they managed to abduct a sleeping cowboy who was overseeing the herd. The aliens didn't discover their mistake until they were half way home, and turning back was out of the question, as they were already far behind schedule. Standard procedure was to simply vaporise the unwanted passenger, but before that could happen the alien craft was attacked by space pirates.
The cowboy was taken prisoner and sold at an intergalactic slave market. He eventually escaped and embarked on a series of thrilling adventures where he brough western justice to the lawless expanses of the galactic fringe.