Lets See What You Skoped!

[detourne_me]

i understand your argument tommyboy,   i'd have to say i'm the most guilty out of all the skopers here for what you've brought up (having a number of those fingered skopes labeled as VX ones)

i really don't know how to put this without offending anybody,  but VX had kind of become the Kleenex for fingered skopes.
in the Iron Man instance, the majority of parts were VX's using a bobby69 mesh, and vx meshes, although yours and grenadiers parts took up the other half of the skope. but for Mandarin, aside from the body, the work was all yours.

This, and what Renegade earlier wrote have really got me wondering about the alpha enabled skopes.  I've got hundreds that i've done but I'll never release for the reasons listed above,  but then someone like Revenant or Afghan Ant comes around and produces a masterpiece. skoping and skinning multiple characters onto a single mesh.

how can skopers truly represent the respect we have for the real hard workers the meshers?  
should we label skopes with each mesher involved? (character_tv_tj_yl_syn_gren_ren_vx_ink_val_skope)
i don't know.
EDIT: ninja'd by Renegade with a completely reasonable post...

i don't want to stifle creativity, but perhaps it is better to work with other creators and put together an incredible package (like cas' titans) than to pump out hack-jobs (which i feel im notorious for)

[Blkcasanova247]

Yeah...that another thing I've been guilty of is that "VX" titling. I know that I also try to add the word skope too...I haven't always been successful of that though. :banghead: :P But it time that we really start check ourselves. Making sure that read-me's are done and credit is given properly...and doing what "Johnny" does(thank you Johnny)...listing all sources too. ;)

[Renegade]

I'm just not into hard and fast rules, to be honest. I know you can't always trust people's common sense, but the line is drawn in different places for different past and current meshers. It's a lot like that old thing about obscenity: I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

No one is trying to offend the original meshers. Most of these skopes are intended to honor the work to some degree. But egos are involved and that needs to be taken into account to prevent hard feelings.

Since I moderate this side of the forum in addition to being a mesher, I think I'll just try moderating posts that contain material potentially offensive skopes and hexes. By offensive I mean work that would offend the original mesher based upon my own point of view and the knowledge I have of the points of views of other meshers gained over the past many years.

[Renegade]

Yeah, but there is some value in people experimenting and I wouldn't want to discourage that. It's not the skoping that that's the real issue, it's releasing those skopes.

[Johnny Patches]

 :( sorry im gulity too.. ill be undercover.. and close down shop.. it was safer flying under the radar befor i was inspired for the scope i seen

[style]

Yes! that was my intention in makeing this topic in the 1st place. For show not release!...You know JP I think I'll have to close down shop too. :( I think it's for the better. :mellow:

[tommyboy]

You know, thats really not what is wanted or needed.
By all means skope, but be aware that you are using material created by others and respect that.
That's what has been happening since day one, nothing has changed except my changing some of my conditions of use.
And you can do anything you like for 'private' use. My conditions only apply to publicly released stuff.
Nobody is asking anyone to stop skoping, or wants that to happen.

[Blkcasanova247]

:( sorry im gulity too.. ill be undercover.. and close down shop.. it was safer flying under the radar befor i was inspired for the scope i seen

I think thats a little drastic Johnny...there's no reason to stop skoping....we all just have to use a little common sense and a little common courtesy while doing skopes. We need to be mindful of the creators involved but that doesn't mean we can't create ourselves. No one is telling you to stop... and you shouldn't.

[Renegade]

Seriously. "Closing up shop" is really missing the point guys.

[style]

It's just I think I'll have to be the sacrificial lamb for this. I started this major skoping movement. Time to chill for a minute. Just wish Speed Racer wasn't my last skope.....He's off and flyin' as he guns the car around the track
He's jammin' down the pedal like he's never comin' back
Adventure's waitin' just ahead.

Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer, Go!  :P :(

[Blkcasanova247]

It'd be a neat trick if you could work out the Mach 5. ;)

[Renegade]

Don't be such a martyr. Neither Tommy nor I want that so don't bother.

[Blkcasanova247]

Thats exactly right Ren. Guys there's no need to stop...no one has said that the skoping "movement" needs to stop.

[Previsionary]

OMGAH! SO MUCH DRAMA! *explodes*
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Yes, that was unnecessary, but that's how I felt reading some of the responses, I'm just saying. ^^. Anyway, this used to be somewhat of a problem during the hexxing movement (IIRC) and it was calmly taken care of. Maybe take some tips from the hexxing era and apply it to the skoping era. Simple simple, no?

[crimsonquill]

Ok, hold on a second folks... really....

I know this thread was meant to show skopes of work and get feedback... and I know that for a moment we had a really big boom of new characters coming out using that technique. However the community reached a delicate balance in the past as long as credits were given and the skopers got feedback from the community if they wanted it released and making sure the original set rules were being followed.

Now suddenly we have some new members of the community and we are trying to show them the ways that things happen around here... now for just a day we have managed to make skoping such a "sore topic" that these new members are probably now going to become inactive or leave the community at worse because of that one straw that finally breaks someones temper.

Renegade and Tommyboy were giving some good suggestions on how to handle naming these skopes when I last logged in... now I'm wondering who isn't mad at whom or who will be left to skope at all. Really, I do I have to worry that voice pack making will be next on the hit list? That I need to leave out all of the old voice packs because I fixed or improved other work and it might be similar to skoping?

Please, let's take a breath here and work this out before this thread becomes a battleground again with casualties...  :blink:

- CrimsonQuill

[Johnny Patches]

i do respect tommy & rens wishes.. ;). and im trying to give credit where credit is do :wacko:
i did not want to create problems to anyone. im not one for drame, the world is full with enough as it is,
im going to say i wont stop scope-n.. i just need a break from all this, im being real.. there is not as many meshers as there was befor. and i like a few others cant afford 3d max. so scope-n is the next best thing to it.i mean i dont even have FFVTTR. go figure.. but all in a nut shell im just going to take a break and see where it goes from there
WiCKet HaRLey

[The_Baroness]

There is a simple thing here... we can skope anything we want..... simple

now releasing things?

ok thats the real problem, so we must be more careful about what we can or can't release, no need to make drama about it, and if some of us make a skope and ask permision and the original creators say they don't want that released ... HEY!!! it is their hard job... it is their right...

and with that said, if any mesher is not pleased with some of the already released ones, i will be happy to take it off from my group.

those are my 2 cents

peace everyone

[Blkcasanova247]

Very true Quill....let's not get to reactionary fellas. Look...I don't know about you guys but I'm gonna keep going...even though I am learnin max. I see no reason to stop skoping.

[BentonGrey]

Hmm, seems to me things have already been worked out.  Let's just respect the work of the content creators and follow the naming conventions they suggested.  I'm sure that we can work together to make sure feathers aren't ruffled.

[crimsonquill]

Popping back in here for another second...

There are far too many characters out there that have no mesh or skoped version at all... heck, Johnny even did a wonderful job on his version of Stryfe and I know folks have been begging to get a fully movable one for months now. Heck, I don't even remember anyone stepping forward to skin it.. or I missed it..

Maybe we need to make a "hit list" of characters that need a mesh or a skope made if there are no "active" works-in-progress yet to be released.. this way we can build up unskinned .nifs and give some more abuse to the skinners out there trying to keep up. That way we avoid stepping on toes in the long run. Would this be a wrong idea to throw out there?

- CrimsonQuill

[style]

That's a good Idea. Crimson :thumbup:

[Johnny Patches]

first i want to say sorry to tommy and ren.. i know you didnt direct it towards me.. i got alot of personal stuff on my mind..  i just have to be more careful on what i do and how i word it.. the hit list sounds cool to me if i can someone to skin it for us.. my skining isnt the best

Popping back in here for another second...

There are far too many characters out there that have no mesh or skoped version at all... heck, Johnny even did a wonderful job on his version of Stryfe and I know folks have been begging to get a fully movable one for months now. Heck, I don't even remember anyone stepping forward to skin it.. or I missed it..

Maybe we need to make a "hit list" of characters that need a mesh or a skope made if there are no "active" works-in-progress yet to be released.. this way we can build up unskinned .nifs and give some more abuse to the skinners out there trying to keep up. That way we avoid stepping on toes in the long run. Would this be a wrong idea to throw out there?

- CrimsonQuill

[Podmark]

Additions have been made to the Permission thread to address Tommy's new rules, the naming convention issue, and a formal rule on readmes as the thread is now doubling as a rule thread.

Additionally I think its probably best for people to consider Tommy's rules when dealing with other meshers work as well.

[crimsonquill]

the hit list sounds cool to me if i can someone to skin it for us.. my skining isnt the best

I was thinking of just using the basic wireframe skin on the character first when it's previewed (pretty much like you have already done thus far Johnny) and then releasing it to the public upon positive review... I'm sure skinners will step forward to skin their take on the character once it's there to mess with in their character tool and the rest of us can put a placeholder skin on the mesh/skope until an official one can be released (I usually use the crashtest dummy). I'm just using this as an example for those who can make characters but don't have a skinning talent whatsoever and don't have a skinning partner to send them to before release.

- CrimsonQuill

[Xenolith]

I like the hit list.  :)  I'll nominate Porcupine!

[AfghanAnt]

Popping back in here for another second...

There are far too many characters out there that have no mesh or skoped version at all... heck, Johnny even did a wonderful job on his version of Stryfe and I know folks have been begging to get a fully movable one for months now. Heck, I don't even remember anyone stepping forward to skin it.. or I missed it..

Maybe we need to make a "hit list" of characters that need a mesh or a skope made if there are no "active" works-in-progress yet to be released.. this way we can build up unskinned .nifs and give some more abuse to the skinners out there trying to keep up. That way we avoid stepping on toes in the long run. Would this be a wrong idea to throw out there?

- CrimsonQuill

I don't know about that, CQ. That's sort of telling people what to skin because there aren't character represented and I know personally I don't like being told what I should and should not skin. Also that really doesn't have anything to do with the point. It's not about representing characters, its about not undermining someone else's work.

[tommyboy]

Yes, the Hit list is a cool idea, but I have no problem with 5 or 10 different versions of the same character, provided they ARE different versions.
So if I've already meshed a character they aren't 'off limits' in any way, and lets be plain about this, some skopes have improved on my meshes, or just improved my meshes (Rev's Red Tornado skope springs to mind), so please don't think just because 3 years ago I might have made a not-terribly-good version of some character that Nobody Must Skope Them from now on. My concerns were only with what were essentially duplicating meshes I'd made (ie copying my parts elsewhere) without much effort to make the 'new' version actually, y'know new.
I don't think anyone should be advocating telling others what to make, but the attraction of a list of as-yet-unmade-characters is that there will be no overlaps, duplications or what-have-you, plus we get to play with new stuff. I actually had my own hitlist bluetacked to my bedroom wall for several years, where I'd just gone through the OHOTMU and DC whos who and written down every unmade character. I'd offer it up but I think its lost  since I cant recall seeing it in months...
So for my part, Yes to List, but also Yes to people making what they want, when they want, even if I've already done a version. 

[yell0w_lantern]

You could always learn Max.

[style]

You could always learn Max.

If I could aford it trust me I would! :(

[Johnny Patches]

You could always learn Max.

ill take 3 copies please  :P