Heroes Season 2

[Talavar]

This most recent episode really demonstrates why the current television business model is flawed.  The series has progressed at a snail's pace until the first episode airing in November, because November is sweeps month, and now the ratings actually matter.  Next week's episode looks pretty interesting as well, with a lot of back story getting filled in, and I'd wager most of this month's episodes will be far more interesting than those leading up to sweeps-month.  It's an incredibly frustrating practice that is only made worse with these kinds of serialized dramas.

[Talavar]

Heh, it just bugs me I guess.  Summer hiatus isn't as bad because everything's just reruns; it's not as bad as dragging out and padding plot elements in episodes just to make sure all the important stuff occurs during November, February and May.

I'd really prefer a move by the major networks away from set seasons for all new shows, more like British tv or HBO.  I'd rather have 13 episodes of Heroes that were great than a season of 24 episodes that was mediocre.  Of course, this probably won't happen.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

So much for keeping the negativity out of this thread.

Well, I tried folks.  We'll keep trying, I guess.

[OutsiderNo11]

[spoiler]-I don't trust Bob.  I think he's lying big time.  If Linderman was Adam's disciple, then how come Angela was working with him?  Either that's a major plot hole or Bob is a serious weasel.
-I don't think Adam is a good guy either.  I think what we are seeing is a huge invisible war between two factions of the Company's founders and the plague will be an aftermath.  Right now, the heroes are being divided up among sides when they should be shutting down both.
-Why hasn't Mohinder checked his e-mail?  After all, Noah Bennett has sent him the paintings via e-mail by now, right?
-For that matter, why can't Noah just show Claire the paintings and explain to her why he is acting that way?  Talk about stupid.
-Claire is behaving like a typical teenage spoiled brat.  No is supposed to like her because she is acting exactly the way most people act when they are her age and feel trapped by their parents.  Yes, it isn't rational, but it is what it is.
-Peter supposedly gained all his memories of him and his mother from scanning her mind via Matt Parkman's ability.  At least that is the explanation given at Wikipedia.  This could just be a wikiality, though, so take it for what it's worth.
-Are we ever going to know the Founding members of the Company's powers?  I mean, Kaito, Charles, and Angela most likely have them, but we don't have any indications as to what they are.[/spoiler]

[Tomato]

Just to add on to what IPS just mentioned...

This is NOT the thread to talk about the series' failings. Cat respectfully asked those who were doing nothing but bashing the show to move that to another thread, but all I have seen here is more bashing. THIS forum is for honest discussion between people who just want to talk about where the series might be going, and all this negativity is starting to irritate me as well as IPS.

Now, I admit, I didn't exactly go all happy fun time with my post, but I at least said I enjoyed the episode and went into a list of ideas for upcoming ones. All I'm seeing in the other posts is "The show is bad because..."

I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm really not. But seriously, all this negativity is restricting other forum members ability to just enjoy of this show, including mine, and it needs to be taken to the other thread rather then here.

[Sevenforce]

Completely off topic: Tis human nature to look at life as half-empty. Makes us better ourselves. But I can see how it could get people down. Tough break, IPS, hope it gets better :(

Enjoyable parts of this episode:

[spoiler]Characterization: Spot on for pretty much everybody, except maybe Matt's dad. Breaks his stereotypical 'I am a bad guy just because!' image but, hey, character development is always good.

Hehehe...Irish girl stuck in the future. Maybe, just maybe, this is what causes Peter to realise that Adam is, in fact, a bad guy
. I imagine the dialogue to be something like: "Why do you keep trying so hard to get to the future for this girl? You remind me of a fish I once knew. She's only human, after all..."

Speaking of Adam - first human/special. Heh. Didn't someone in this exact thread call that? But really, who didn't know Takezo wouldn't show up?[/spoiler]

[Mr. Hamrick]

[off topic] Some say the glass is half-empty, some say half-full.  I just want to know which one of you has been drinking my beer! [/off topic]


[spoiler]

I have to agree with Outsider.  I don't trust Bob . . . (I've met the actor who plays him and he's a bit snooty in person) and I definitely think he has some ulterior motives for wanting Adam out of the way.

I think what's going to be revealed is that with Linderman gone, there is a power struggle amongst some of the "Original Twelve" (actually, I think it's original 13) with Bob being one party vying for control and Adam being the other, perhaps.  The results of that power struggle is that the virus that Bob claims to be struggling to cure crosses over to the general populace. 

OR worse, Maya's power causes the virus to mutate.  Possibly because Sylar takes her power.  With nothing to keep the virus in check, people die.  Her brother already having been removed by Sylar.

[/spoiler]

[BentonGrey]

Heh.  I find this whole thing mildly amusing, but if they don't want you to discuss the faults of the show in this thread, then don't.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

And you bashers might want to go to the other thread anyways, because Kring, the show's creator, is agreeing with you.

[afterburn]

[spoiler]Quick thought.  Anyone think that Angela has some mental abilities?  I mean she yelled at Parkman in her head and somehow seemed to know that Peter was reading here thoughts to remember, or maybe she did that for him.  Or it is possible that she is just used to dealing with telepaths and understands how they work and what they are doing when the do it.  Aside though, I saw Kensei being the big bad since we first saw him heal.  I'm not upset that I was able to figure it out, it was good.  I think the show has definitely gotten better the past couple episodes, and am personally worried about how it will be affected when series writers go on strike.[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

But we already know exactly how the strike will effect it, but I guess we've only discussed that in the other thread.

So here goes:

Heroes Origins is canceled.

Heroes season 2 will end after episode 11.  Volume 2 was supposed to end then anyways.  A new ending has been, or going to be, filmed, and the show will be shut down so it can be retooled and improved for season 3.

[darkknight92]

 :spoiler:

The first few episodes were slow, but it's picked up over the last couple of weeks.

Ok, so here's my theory -- it's not based on anything, but that's the fun part, right?  I don't think Peter's memory loss is amnesia. I think that somehow Peter came into contact with the Haitian in the four months between last season and this season. That's why Peter was wearing the necklace and not the Haitian when they found him. I think his memory loss is the result of acquiring the Haitian's power. We've seen how when Peter gets a new power, he doesn't know how to control it at first. Maybe he used it on himself by mistake? But since he also has Claire's power to heal, maybe he can get his memories back.

I think the virus is Adam's way at strking back at humanity, and Hiro in particular. He's hurting and now he's taking it out on everybody. He swore that he would kill everyone that Hiro loved. Besides his father and the princess, who does Hiro love most? Ando. And there's nothing worst than watching a loved one suffer and die and not be able to do anything about it. 

[Mr. Hamrick]

But we already know exactly how the strike will effect it, but I guess we've only discussed that in the other thread.

So here goes:

Heroes Origins is canceled.

Heroes season 2 will end after episode 11.  Volume 2 was supposed to end then anyways.  A new ending has been, or going to be, filmed, and the show will be shut down so it can be retooled and improved for season 3.

Actually, Heroes: Origins has not been canceled but delayed indefinitely.  There is still a likelihood that it will be finished and aired next summer.  Well, if the strike is over by then.  :P 

[USAgent]

Here is a neat little video that I found on Hana's Blog , I dont really follow her blog but I came across this video on it, It was taken from another character that has to to with the "company" named Drucker.

http://samantha48616e61.com/


[spoiler]The video was supposedly taken by Drucker and it shows off in the distance the Peter explosion in the finale episode of last season, the interesting part is the finale few seconds where you see a burning figure falling (Nathan?) and someone (Peter?)flying in and saving the burning figure before it hits the ground [/spoiler]

[Pyroclasm]

Concerning Adam...
[spoiler]I'm wondering just how long it took for Adam to reform/heal/resurrect after being blown up.  He told Hiro that he would kill the Blacksmith's daughter.  She apparently wasn't killed for some time or not at all if she managed to spread the tales of Kensei.  I did think it odd that Hiro would assume that it was ok for him to leave her when he couldn't be positive that Adam was permanently destroyed.  I would have liked if he would have brought Adam forward somehow.  Perhaps an early version of the company acquired Adam's suit of armor with a bit of his charred organic matter and cloned him? heh.  Anyways, if he was hanging around for 500 years, he should have ended up being the center of history or at least get over such a petty grudge.  It's not like he REALLY loved the woman.  He wasn't even a "good guy" turned bad.  He was a drunken mercenary/thief who apparently fled to Japan for some unrevealed reason.  Considering being a Gaijin is not a position of popularity, it must have been a bad reason.  Hiro is not even the real reason he's a bad guy.  If he'd never met Hiro, he would have eventually discovered his power and used it for personal gain anyway like he intended to before Hiro talked him out of it.[/spoiler]

As for that clip...
[spoiler]It coincides with the story so far.  It appears to me that Peter did not get destroyed from the explosion (was pretty obvious since Ted was never harmed by his own power) and Nathan was hurt by the explosion.  Peter, using Nathan's flight ability, swoops down to pick up his brother.  He must have delivered the unconscious Nathan to the hospital (hence Nathan not aware of Peter's survival).  Peter then leaves town to "protect" everyone and mope like he tends to do.  Nathan probably either had plastic surgery, or was healed by someone else (I suspect Mom).  I don't think it's an illusion since that would be a pretty powerful illusionist to make everyone see the change and not even have to be in close proximity to him.  Peter on his trip at some point meets Adam.  Since Adam only recently escaped from the confines of the company, I'm theorizing that he escaped with the help of Elle (possibly Peter too).  In the process of furthering their plans, Peter comes in proximity to Degauss.  Degauss either wipes the memories from Peter, or Peter accidentally wipes the memories from himself (he's a n00b like that).[/spoiler]

And about the powered line...
[spoiler]My wife and I were theorizing this, and it could possibly work: "Adam" is a symbolic name, not only meaning the first, but also the father of humanity.  We suspect that Adam is not his true name, but a chosen one.  Chosen to symbolize that he is the source for everyone's power.  Adam was quite fond of brothels and the ladies in general.  He also has had plenty of time to spread his genes.  Perhaps this is the "genetic marker" that Suresh was looking for especially since Adam's symbol keeps appearing in conjunction with the powered folk.  Sure they are all different ethnicities, but that doesn't mean they don't have a blonde British man somewhere in their lineage.[/spoiler]

[Kommando]

Seems like the series is only going 12 Episodes this season due to the writer's strike, with the last Episode airing on December 3rd.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

11 actually.  It was mentioned earlier.

And the writer's strike is not the only reason.  Kring wanted to revamp the show anyway.

[bredon7777]

11 actually.  It was mentioned earlier.

And the writer's strike is not the only reason.  Kring wanted to revamp the show anyway.

Oh come now cat, you can't possibly believe that barring the strike NBC would've LET Kring shut the show down at 11 episodes for revamping.  Yes, it's been losing steam but its still one of their bigger hits.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I'm just repeating what Kring said.  And it isn't one of their greatest hits this season.  It's been barely in the average range.

[Jakew]

Hmm, I'm not really digging how Linderman is being implied as Adam's flunky/disciple .... Linderman (and the lead up to his reveal) was actually one of my favourite characters from Season 1.

[Tomato]

Hmm, I'm not really digging how Linderman is being implied as Adam's flunky/disciple .... Linderman (and the lead up to his reveal) was actually one of my favourite characters from Season 1.

Disciple doesn't nescessarily mean flunky. He might believe as Adam did, but as he was in charge of the company he had to have had a significant roll in Adam's downfall

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Okay, let's try this again.  For some reason my backspace key is going back one web page.

Anyway, this explains a lot. . .

[spoiler]
So the Hatian was trying to save Peter.  Given Ell, that actually makes some kind of sense.

And now Nathan's glimpses of ruined Nathan makes sense.  This also explains why they're so sure that Claire's blood can help, because they already know it works with the other person with those powers.

DL's death is a bit sudden and shocking.  I'll resist making further comments in this thread other than to say the basic idea works.

And the explanation about Niki's condition works too.  Jessica is gone, but there are other personalities lurking.
[/spoiler]

[Protomorph]

Here is a neat little video that I found on Hana's Blog , I dont really follow her blog but I came across this video on it, It was taken from another character that has to to with the "company" named Drucker.

http://samantha48616e61.com/

Hmmm. I thought Hana was supposed to have been killed last season. I Guess they changed their minds.

[Conduit]

That was quite good.  It really benefitted from the flashback format.

I missed what happened in the first 3 minutes.  I turned the TV on when the doctor was talking to Niki about DL's surgery.  Can somebody please fill me in on what I missed?

[spoiler]
It's great to see DL again.  I actually liked Niki's story this week for the most part.  I loved the scene where DL rescued the girl from the fire.  It's very good to see that he didn't die of one gunshot to the abdomen when Matt survived 4 to the chest, and it wasn't a mistake that his grave said he died in 2007.

I also really liked Maya's storyline.  The scenes of her and her brother discovering her power had a real sense of drama and tension.

I liked Peter's storyline too.  I like Adam and think that he'll make a good villain.  I also liked Elle, and her background explains a lot.  I really liked how this episode, despite being a flashback, managed to move the plot forward at important parts.
[/spoiler]

Protomorph: In an online comic, Hana was killed, but she managed to upload her consciousness onto the internet.  So she can still run her website.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Conduit:

[spoiler]
The episode begins with Nathan grabbing Peter and flying off with him as Claire and HRG watch.  We then see a close up version of what the video from Hana's blog shows.  Nathan carries the glowing Peter, his own face and body starting to burn.  Peter tell him to drop him, that he'll be all right.  Nathan does, Peter explodes, and the explosion knocks Nathan out.  Before he hits the ground, Peter flies in and grabs him and rushes him to the hospital, then uses his invisibility to try to escape, but his electrocuted by Ell, who is with Bob.
[/spoiler]

[Tomato]

I liked this episode alot, again despite it not revealing any new plot details(except for DL not dying in the initial Linderman ordeal, which makes more sense... I'll leave it like that actually) or ones that we couldn't have guessed.

However there were a few nuggets of info mixed in-

- Maya's power stops on it's own, eventually. It may not have been worth the whole segment, but it was something we didn't nescessarily know.

- I'm not sure how to take "present" Adam. Sure, he's a villain, but I want to like him for some reason. Plus, there's alot we don't know about what happened to him, he could very well have changed. Granted, it's very slim, but between him and the company I don't think eithor is very good.

-Nathan appears to be just outside the building Peter and Adam are at, so I'm curious how they play that.

[Viking]

I like the fact that present-day Adam is being portrayed as a likable guy, and that it's not immediately apparent to a casual observer that he could be a bad guy.  He presently looks very much like a sympathetic villain, which puts me in mind of an adage a friend shared with me:

The most dangerous villains are those that we like and can identify with.
The most terrifying villains are those that we can become.

Heroes has been doing a really nice job of exploring different ethics and morality involved in a world with super powers.

[The Hitman]

Is it wrong for me to be really attracted to Elle after this episode?

[murs47]

Is it wrong for me to be really attracted to Elle after this episode?

Absolutely not! I'd let her shock me too! :D

[bredon7777]

If loving Kristen Bell is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

That said, Elle is a scary little sociopath and for the very first time, well, ever- I find myself thinking that the ride may not be worth the price of admission.