Cap's back...kinda

[Courtnall6]

Alex Ross designed that monstrosity!?  :huh:  :lol:

I would have expected much better from him. He usually makes fantastic costumes. A swing and a miss here that's for sure!

Whatever...when Steve gets back (in his classic costume)...he'll send this chump running!

Does that mean you won't be skinnin' this version?    :D  Just out of curiosity, of course.   :D

on a side note......has anyone concidered Vance as the NEW Cap?  I have been out of comics for a bit but is Vance not a possible candidate?  the costume is Vance-like.

If Ren made a mesh I'd skin it...but I wouldn't enjoy it! :P

[starlock]

I am not happy with the new look, i also gave the comic three issues or so after cap died....i did not like it, well we all cant be pleased. they wont get my money untill steve comes back

[Indigo]

male_effects_CaptainAmerica? :o

[Verfall]

Of all the ugly....he could have at least made the boots red to give it some form of aesthetics. And a pistol? Really? And one that looks to be of a caliber that 95% of the characters that aren't generic Hydra-esque soldiers would basically point and laugh at.

Seriously, why did they kill the man? Is this really leading to more sales? They plan to do a Cap movie, and we already have an Iron Man movie on the way, and yet both characters have been @#$%&* over so bad I'm not sure they can really recover from the last few years of idiocy. Iron Man alone has had his character destroyed so many times over they may as well just let him take over Mephisto's realm, since he seems to be Marvel's answer to the devil lately.

So much convoluted bullcrap, so much character assassination, it's no wonder I generally prefer Ultimate based ideas nowadays. At least over there the characters are basically just homages, so I can give the authors some leeway in terms of their stupidity.

[BlueBard]

Y'know, I'm okay with it.

At least Ross was thinking about the character when he did the design.  I don't mind that it hearkens back to old-timer Cap in a way and the reflective armor looks kinda cool.

It's rather sad that an artist spends more time thinking about the character's history than the writers do...

Just out of curiosity, are you reading Cap?  Bru has been doing a terrific job with it; I'm wondering why you think he doesn't respect the character's history.

I am not reading it regularly, no.  I am referring to the Civil War mess.  And I suppose Cap's role in that wasn't completely mis-characterized, so I will stand corrected.

[Viking]

Boy, with that costume re-design, Cap's new battle cry should be:

"Hey buddy!  EYES DOWN HERE!"

[detourne_me]

its complete crud in my opinion.. why is it half black??  it's not like you can be stealth when your top half is so shiny??

why don't the boots match the gloves?  pretty ridiculous if you ask me...  on another message board, someone mentioned hoer it reminded them of the newwest union jack redesiogn.  thats whjat i think of too.  with the utility belt and whatnot...  but it really makes his hield seem out of place.


I usually love Ross' work but the spider-man redesign and now this blow.

[UnfluffyBunny]

anyone else got the sneaking suspicion that ross's brain is being drugged up by liefeld? >_>

[Panther_Gunn]

anyone else got the sneaking suspicion that ross's brain is being drugged up by liefeld? >_>

Hey, the new costume didn't have shoulder pads, did it?  *That* is when we should start to worry.

[Bujin]

anyone else got the sneaking suspicion that ross's brain is being drugged up by liefeld? >_>

Hey, the new costume didn't have shoulder pads, did it?  *That* is when we should start to worry.

Plus, unlike Liefeld's costumes, Cap has feet. 

I actually kind of like it.  It suits Winter Soldier, and particularly Bucky's early commando days. 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i'm gonna get a lot of flack for this but i'm sick of alex ross's art. i will never deney the man as an amazing talent but he been so over played and i've yet to see a redesign of his i fully liked. i know it sounds stupid but a lot of his characters seem to look exactly the same even the women


not that i have any right to talk about an artists skill level

[zuludelta]

I actually kind of like it.  It suits Winter Soldier, and particularly Bucky's early commando days.

Has it been confirmed that Winter Soldier is the new Cap?

If he is, I agree that the pistol and knife would make sense (although I'm still not digging the new duds). 

[Mr. Hamrick]

I actually kind of like it.  It suits Winter Soldier, and particularly Bucky's early commando days.

Has it been confirmed that Winter Soldier is the new Cap?

If he is, I agree that the pistol and knife would make sense (although I'm still not digging the new duds). 

[spoiler]
My understanding is that Winter Soldier will be taking over as Cap and going on a vendetta against Tony Stark.  [/spoiler]

[Podmark]

I actually kind of like it.  It suits Winter Soldier, and particularly Bucky's early commando days.

Has it been confirmed that Winter Soldier is the new Cap?

If he is, I agree that the pistol and knife would make sense (although I'm still not digging the new duds). 

Confirmed? No. But if you're paying even remote attention to the ongoing Cap title you gotta know he's the most likely canidate.

[MJB]

First off let me state that I am a huge fan of Alex Ross' work.

Secondly let me state that I have not read every issue of Ed Brubaker's run on Cap.

Now that has been said here is my opinion. The chrome on Caps costume looks like <bleep>. Seriously. I don't care who's under the costume, in fact I hope it's Bucky and not Cap. I don't think they should EVER bring Steve back. I'm a firm believer in "dead is dead".

Alex Ross has designed some classic costumes in his time but this is NOT one of them. It looks like crap. This is NOT one of those situations where someone says something and then looks back and accepts it.

Gun, knife, or shield I don't care about the weapons. The suit looks like poo-doo. Bottom line.

-MJB

[Courtnall6]

....he could have at least made the boots red to give it some form of aesthetics.

Ross must have thought red boots would make him look ridiculous...so he gave him reeeeeeaaaaaaally shiny "Cap armour". :P

First off let me state that I am a huge fan of Alex Ross' work.

Secondly let me state that I have not read every issue of Ed Brubaker's run on Cap.

Now that has been said here is my opinion. The chrome on Caps costume looks like $h!t. Seriously. I don't care who's under the costume, in fact I hope it's Bucky and not Cap. I don't think they should EVER bring Steve back. I'm a firm believer in "dead is dead".

Alex Ross has designed some classic costumes in his time but this is NOT one of them. It looks like crap. This is NOT one of those situations where someone says something and then looks back and accepts it.

Gun, knife, or shield I don't care about the weapons. The suit looks like poo-doo. Bottom line.

That sounds about right...except for Steve staying dead...that will never happen. "Dead is dead" doesn't really work in superhero comics. There's just too many ways to bring them back to life. The problem is the killing off of characters has become far too rampant these days.

[Blkcasanova247]

I guess I'm just indifferent towards the whole thing. I really like "Winter Soldier" and his deal...it only makes sense for him to be the one in "this" suit 'cause why reintroduce this specific character and have over 2 years of story if he wasn't going to the next Cap. And the new suit also makes sense because Bucky would never wear Caps Flag....for him nobody should. I don't mind the gun...I don't mind the knife....but I agree with GG and say that a belt of some kind would enhance the look of the suit...I don't super hate it...it's just like "whatever" to me. Just waiting for however long it takes Marvel to bring Steve Rogers back.

[Tomato]

is it just me or does the upper body remind anyone else of what happens when you overdo your refl layer on a FF skin?

[murs47]

is it just me or does the upper body remind anyone else of what happens when you overdo your refl layer on a FF skin?

Now that you mention it..........yes it does :lol:

[Mowgli]

I like the costume less everytime I look at it. I thought it was alright at first, but many good points have been made about it's somewhat poor design. It does seem to point at his crotch.

Costume aside, I do think the weapons he is carrying is an issue. A gun slinging Captain America? With a knife no less? Steve used a gun during a war. Did I miss the memo? Are we at war? Wars aside, you are left with characters like the Punsiher who carry guns. Is that what Marvel wants to create? An american icon or hero with the same conceptual make-up as the Punsiher? Isn't there enough of a bad image of america already without making our all american super hero into something out of a Dirty Harry flick? Seems misplaced to me. Don't get me wrong, I like the Punsiher just fine, and Dirty Harry flicks as well. But that isn't what Captain America is about, is it? Maybe I'm too old fashioned.

I'm with Verfall.... what did they have to kill the original anyway? Less than a year later and their gonna throw a Cap suit on someone else. Eh. &lt;_&lt;

And Bucky is going after Iron Man? Yeah I read that too. Even in his current super-villain re-write, Tony would make very short work of Bucky. That story is pretty silly in my opinion. :rolleyes:

[Haljack]

Yeah Caps supposed to be a hero other heroes aspire to, now he probably the going to end up the punisher with a flag(wait a minute didnt they already do that???)

[Xenolith]

 :eek2:  Jaw-droppingly bad.

[tommyboy]

I can't say I really hate the new "Cap" look, but I'm definitely not liking it, either.
My biggest gripe?
Belt.
Belt, belt, belt.
What is holding those pouches and gun holster up on that clearly streeee......ee......eetchy material? (And if it's hard to stretch then I fear for the well being of "li'l cap", if you catch my drift)
Why are the pouches there anyway (I mean at the waist, rather than existentially)? If you have a belt, it determines what the pouches are attached to, and therefore where they go, but without the belt, they just look stupid where they are, even by Superhero Costume Standards.
I sort of agree with the complaints of others regarding "shiny+matte black=no", and "hey, look at my loins!" being Not Good Looks.
And then of course we have the ubiquitous Gun And Knife, so we know he's a real bad-bottom. I was certainly much more impressed by the thousands of gun and knife toting nobodies dispatched by Steve Rogers than by the man himself. They were so much more awe-inducing and effective than he could ever have been. My hope is that they all get to take it in turns to be the "new" Cap and finally get the respect that they deserve.... 

[zuludelta]

I can't say I really hate the new "Cap" look, but I'm definitely not liking it, either.
My biggest gripe?
Belt.
Belt, belt, belt.

See, I'm pretty sure there's actually a belt in there somewhere (it would be a pretty egregious oversight for an artist of Ross' caliber if there wasn't, considering all the doodads he's got hanging off of Cap's waist), and all the pouches and whatnot are meant to suggest the belt's existence.

The thing is, people are so used to Ross' level of rendered detail (putting tailored seams on Batman's costume, for instance) that when he attempts any measure of minimalism or understatement (a design error, if I do say so myself, since minimalism isn't exactly his strong point), it just falls apart and looks "wrong."

[Tomato]

Grah, hate to dissapoint you zulu, but...


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[zuludelta]

Gah, I take my previous post back then (This is the first time I've seen that particular pencil sketch).

It is pretty ridiculous looking as far as superhero costumes go, with the lack of a belt making it worse. And it just cements further in my mind why rendering superheroes and their wacky costumes realistically doesn't work most of the time... ironically, rendering superheroes realistically makes it a lot harder for me to take them seriously (a grown man wearing a skin-tight spandex costume in real life just looks horribly silly, it reminds me too much of the 1960's Batman show, and the gun just takes the unintentional hilarity over-the-top).   

[DMenacer]

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I took this picture and put back in the colors like Captain America would of wore the uniform and it still looked like a joke. If they ever use this costume in a movie, alot of people will be disappointed.

[JeyNyce]

....he could have at least made the boots red to give it some form of aesthetics.

Ross must have thought red boots would make him look ridiculous...so he gave him reeeeeeaaaaaaally shiny "Cap armour". :P

First off let me state that I am a huge fan of Alex Ross' work.

Secondly let me state that I have not read every issue of Ed Brubaker's run on Cap.

Now that has been said here is my opinion. The chrome on Caps costume looks like $h!t. Seriously. I don't care who's under the costume, in fact I hope it's Bucky and not Cap. I don't think they should EVER bring Steve back. I'm a firm believer in "dead is dead".

Alex Ross has designed some classic costumes in his time but this is NOT one of them. It looks like crap. This is NOT one of those situations where someone says something and then looks back and accepts it.

Gun, knife, or shield I don't care about the weapons. The suit looks like poo-doo. Bottom line.

That sounds about right...except for Steve staying dead...that will never happen. "Dead is dead" doesn't really work in superhero comics. There's just too many ways to bring them back to life. The problem is the killing off of characters has become far too rampant these days.

:bandwagon

[Spe-Dog]

Biggest gripe is THE GUN.  Cap would never carry that, and I don't care who is in the suit; as a symbol he shouldn't do it.  I look at this more as Knightfall over at DC.  Brubaker has said many times that he wanted to show why only Steve should be Cap and it seems that they are making the replacement look more like Azreal did when he replaced Bruce as the Batman.  It is supposed to suck to so more people will want Steve back...I hope.

[Shazam]

You don't need a belt to have pouches. Have you guy's never seen Snickers work wear? They've got pouches all over them. Us tradesmen don't like belts  :P

Getting back to the costume design, I personally don't like it, and I'm afraid I'm one of those in the camp of "I want Steve Rogers back!". I must admit that I haven't read any Marvel or DC comics since the mid 90's, but I still try to keep abreast of whats going on through forums and the like. Sounds to me like Marvel are messing up big style.