The X-men Thread (spoilers)

[Previsionary]

Considering the story and Cyclops's new position, I can accept *some* of his coldness. The X-men don't really have a family atmosphere anymore and he treats them all like soldiers which helps him keep a distance with everyone not named Emma. If the ever growing list of mutants weren't dying out and they still weren't being targeted so often, I'd probably feel differently.
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UXM #98:

At one point, it was said that Loeb would write all these tie ins, but now it seems like his Heroes pals will finish off these books. I originally liked Aron, but he slowly began to grate my nerves. Will he bring me back with his Ultimatum book? Maybe...probably not...but I'm going to suffer and try to give out relevant info dealing with bore-timatum. This will be a quick review.

[spoiler]-We open to a scene a few minutes before the "ultimatum wave" strikes to a woman, her husband, and their kid.

-the Man is William...Ultimate William Stryker.

-Will goes dove watching and sees the wave. He rushes off to save his wife and child.

-His apartment is already under water and his wife and kid are missing (dead).

-Back at the mansion, Magma, Rogue, Toad, Psylocke, and Syndicate (the x-men know about him now apparently) watch the news. Rogue worries about Angel and the others.

-Jean, Cyclops, and Wolverine head out the mansion to deal with Magneto by ending him (killing). Jean tells Rogue she can't come because the older X-men don't trust her. Kurt and Dazzler are confirmed as dead...again.

-Outside of the mansion in a red cross tent, William is preaching, breaks down, and begins to fault the creation of the wave on the Lord. He also speaks about hating mutants. As the sermon is over, a friend of Stryker's dad approaches him and shows him some spare sentinel parts.

-Rogue assaults Alpha Flight's base and overpowers the guards/team. She finally comes face to face with Vindicator and he's revealed to be a man named Wraith which is why she kept his identity secret from Wolverine. She wants him to help her kill Magneto. Wraith wants to get Weapon X back together and shows Rogue a mechanical costume.

-Sabretooth and Juggernaut are celebrating with a scantily clad woman. Juggs feels bad, but Sabre doesn't care. The woman turns out to be Rogue and she touches Sabre while Vindicator blasts Juggs into unconsciousness.

-The book ends with William Stryker and some men he preached to outside the mansion in sentinel gear preparing to attack the school.[/spoiler]

Um...where to start. I don't...I don't understand some parts of this story. I don't know how Jean and such immediately jumped to the conclusion they came to with no evidence. Xavier wasn't featured at all, so I'm just trying to find the logic. Rogue's story was whatever and the other mutants standing around the mansion just watching tv was kinda boring. The tone between the actual Ultimatum book and the tie in stories found in UFF and UXM seem so...different that it's hard to take it all in. I mean, one book is uber dramatic and the other two...aren't. It's disjointing. I rate it a 2. Too bad the book Pod reviewed wasn't real. :(

[pr1983]

the way i see cyclops (or at least like to when i write my scripts), is sort of a captain sisko thing (if you dont watch star trek, you won't get the reference), when he brought the romulans into the war with the dominion.

he knows what he's doing is wrong morally, and finds it hard to look in the mirror, but he accepts that his own self-respect is a small price to pay if it means mutants survive.

if that was how it was, i would be happy, but i'd just like to see more of it...

i haven't read ultimate x-men in ages... not since... the sinister arc, iirc...

[Podmark]

Ultimate Stryker? That's kinda cool.
But yeah my issue was awesome. You thought Loeb was popular, wait to they see me!

[Podmark]

X-Infernus #1
[spoiler]You can read about half the issue through the preview, I think it's linked earlier.

Colossus is ticked that they haven't saved Illyana yet. Cyclops explains that they can't reach Limbo, and Colossus insults him.
In Limbo Darkchylde is attacking allies of Belasco looking for her Soul Sword (which has been inside Nightcrawler for a while now) and her Bloodstone Amulet.
In SF Nightcrawler is testing Pixie's teleporting abilities, to his jealousy he learns her teleport is more effective than his. He tries to talk to her about her Soul Dagger but she gets upset and abruptly stabs Kurt in the chest.
Meanwhile, somewhere, the great demon lord of the MU (Mephisto, Blackheart, Hela, Satanish, I think that was all of them) meet with Belasco's daughter who wants a seat with them and full control over Limbo if she can defeat Darkcylde. She has Illyana's Bloodstone Amulet.
Rockslide, Mercury, and Beast stop her and check Kurt. Pixie is upset but Beast reveals that Kurt is fine and the dagger is stuck in him but not hurting him. Pixie pulls it out and thus pulls out the Soul Sword. Darkchylde feels this and teleports to the X-Men. She wants her sword back. [/spoiler]

I liked the issue. The art is kinda funky, but I found it very appealing. Story is pretty good so far, nothing too surprising though, we'll see where it goes. I'll give it a 4/5. I look forward to the rest.

[pr1983]

i'm looking forward to it too... i didn't think i'd enjoy the issue that much, but i was pleasantly surprised, so i'm happy to pick it up next month...

[Previsionary]

Cable #9:

Last issue, a bunch of bug like creatures had broken into Cable's safe haven and wanted their help to save America. This help entailed capturing the residents and tying them up. Cable and the little girl were set to escape, but things changed when Cable was convinced to save his wife. Will this issue FINALLY speed up the pace? Probably not.

[spoiler]The book opens to a flashback of Cable and the baby first entering the safe haven and the meeting between Hope and Cable. Hope disliked Cable, but loved the baby. Hope was so in love with the baby that she randomly showed up to nag Cable about his efforts in handling her. Back in the present, Cable, the girl, and his neighbor begin to set up a plan to get rid of the bugs.

In the present, Cyclops has sent a team of X-men sent to the location Bishop told him about. Bishop then reveals that he destroyed several continents to make sure Cable couldn't go anywhere near them.
Future, Cable gives the little girl a bag and tells her to run. He then pulls out a gun and shoots everything that isn't human...which is pretty much everything. This did little good because he killed no one and the bugs didn't run away...so he had to do things the hard way. Cable saves his wife and carries her to safety as the bugs follow. Hope finally wakes up and as soon as she does, the president of the United States and some other bugs are surrounding her. The bug president tries to recruit cable into his administration. As this goes on, we find out a little more details about what was in the bag the little girl had. It seems that Cable had booby trapped the area around his house with enough explosives to take out a tank and the little girl had the button...and she pushed it. Cable was proud.

Present, X-force, and Warpath seems to be back on the team, they're at the location Bishop told them about and Wolverine doesn't trust it. Wolverine communicates with Cyclops and Cyclops assumes Bishop is up to one of his tricks again and shoots him with an optic beam. In the future, Hope inquires about the bugs being in new Liberty and Cable tells her they're not there for her. In the past, Bishop tells Cyclops that the 6th weapon will show up in about 30 seconds. Thirty seconds later, a video of Bishop plays telling the X-men that he loves them and didn't betray them...as things in Beast lab explodes.

Back in the future, Cable, Hope, and the little girl reach the force field and Hope refuses to leave and she refuses to let the little girl leave. Cable explains the plan to her—that they'll leave and that the other survivors will close the field saving the town—and she agrees to it. Back to the X-men base, the 6th weapon Bishop had is revealed to be a virus that was triggered by X-force going for his stash. The X-men are taken out and X-force rushes back to the base. The virus will only last 5 minutes which is enough time for Bishop to grab his seventh weapon as he towers over Cyclops.[/spoiler]

This book has been much better over the past few issues than it has since it began. My problem with it is still pacing. So little happens in one issue that it's like you're moving from point A to point A.5. Once the pacing issues are fixed and it doesn't take 4-5 issues to get the story moving, I can see this book actually standing a chance. This issue gets a 2.5. It loses points from me for not progressing the story very far until the final few pages.

X-men Noir #1:

This book is one I've been waiting to get for awhile. The premise interested me, but it seems Jean once again dies. She never gets to live anymore. How sad for her. Anyway, I really hope this book can maintain my interest and maybe I'll even grab Spider-man Noir even though the costume was weird.

[spoiler]It starts off with a murder of a young, red-headed female who is basically unidentifiable and has several claw marks over her body. Near her body is an X symbol that a young detective (Det. Peter) failed to see. The X-men have been at it again! What are the X-men in this universe? The X-men are a group of kids being "reformed" by Xavier. He's classified as a head case, and instead of reforming them, he teaches the kids how to be better criminals. Once one of the X-men did something pretty bad, Xavier was locked up and is waiting to be charged while the other X-men become freelancers.

At a club, someone is questioned about Jean Grey. He says he knows of her and it was like she had the power to control men's minds for sure. Tommy, a reporter for the bugle, then meets up with Remy and asks a few more questions about the X-men. He gets nothing. Meanwhile, Tommy catches a woman about to be hit by a crowbar. He steps in and saves her and he finds out that the man that attempted the attack was Bishop, Remy's muscle. The woman is thankful and offers to buy Tom a drink. She turns out to be the daughter of Eric Magnus.

Later, Tom finds himself in the presence of Xavier. In an interesting twist, Tom is reading a book by Mr. Trask who is actually for mutants in this universe.  Tom reads an excerpt of a never published article written by Xavier and then questions him as to whether or not the X-men killed Jean Grey. Before he can get anything, Tom is told that visiting hours are over.

Even later, at another bar, someone is being tortured and beaten. The people doing it are trying to force the guy to move his numbers out of Torchwood. It's revealed that the law only work on the law abiding, but for the criminals, the brotherhood takes care of them. Peter catches all of this, and that his father allows it, and runs away.

At Xavier's mansion, Tommy breaks in and tries to get some more information. He finds a file on Rogue and then heads into the danger room. While he's there, he's taken by surprise by Beast and Angel. He tries to tell them that he's on their side, but they don't listen. Cyclops finally shows up and he's holding a gun. "Haven't you heard, chum," he begins, "we're the X-men...Nobody's on our side." The book ends with a gunshot and the following few pages are of an article by Dr.Trask.[/spoiler]

I'm all in. This book grabbed my interest and kept it. I'm not a big Noir fan, but this intrigued me enough to want to know what happens next. It was interesting to see Magneto and his kin on the good side of the law and the X-men on the opposite side. Even more interesting, Pietro/Peter doesn't seem to be arrogant in this universe. He seems to be easily shaken which is quite the change. There are several X-references such as to the Cassidy clan, Rachel, the original Angel, Fred Dukes, etc. In honesty, it's a good read, but because it's a setup issue, it's also a bit slow. It's a 3.2 for me.

X-men Manifest Destiny #4:

In the previous issue, Bobby finally came face to face with Mystique and told her to kill him if she had the guts, in so many words, Wolverine and NC tried to cheer up Colossus, and something else happened that I don't recall. I didn't write a review for it the week it came out, so there ya go. I think the other story revolved around Karma, but I'm not sure. Moving on...

ICEMAN

[spoiler]This time, the story begins with Iceman and Mystique where we left off. Iceman in his boxers and standing next t a burning truck that doesn't affect him and Mystique on a motorcycle pointing a gun at his neck/chest. Mystique wonders why Iceman isn't being affected by the flames and Iceman explains that he's creating convection currents and expelling the heat among gradients. He shows this off more effectively by icing up his arm and sticking it straight through a section of fire. Mystique stares Bobby right in the eye as the gun is pressed against his chest and pulls the trigger. Nothing happens as Iceman's temperature tampered the gun. Instead, she smacks his head with the weapon. She then begins to beat him up. Iceman isn't worried as he knows he can handle any damage she's capable of doing to her. He thought he could reason with Mystique, but he can't, so he freezes her in place and givers her two options: hypothermia or surrender.

Mystique chooses to accept neither and this annoys Iceman. He wonders what Mystique wants and she doesn't exactly respond. Seconds later, the man who's truck was destroy appears with a crowbar and attempts to beat Iceman. Bobby freezes the crowbar, tells the man he'll be compensated, and he turns around to find a kiddy Mystique outside of his icetrap. She tosses bombs at Iceman and the man and they barely escape. She now knows the X-men are in San Fran and plans to meet Bobby there to settle their little business.[/spoiler]

MERCURY

[spoiler]This story revolves around Mercury feeling abd for herself because she's a malleable metal blob creature that her parents disowned. As she's venting, the hellgire goons show up and she takes them on as X-23 stands to the side and watches. It ends with X-23 telling Mercury to put her past behind her and move on. She's a hero.[/spoiler]

NIGHTCRAWLER

[spoiler]This book opens up with NC fighting a simulation of Apocalypse. He loses and resets the program. In his thoughts, he realizes that he's not in top form anymore and that he hasn't been as useful as he's once been. In fact, he's easily distracted these days. He loses the fight again and has the next scenario loaded. During this scenario, Kurt realizes that he misses Kitty a lot and this is messing with his performance on the field. He loses this scenario and another one is loaded. Kurt thinks he should take some time out for himself since the X-men don't really need him right now. Pixie is much better than him at teleporting and he's not really needed for teaching duties. He loses yet another scenario and realizes that he can't keep distracting himself from the problem. He ports to the danger room controls and creates a scenario of Kitty and Lockheed. The book ends with NC hugging Kitty, apologizing, and telling her he misses her.[/spoiler]

Um...this book was pretty blah to me. Iceman's story is the definition of drawn out at this point and the SAME THING KEEPS HAPPENING! I have much higher standards for Carey than this and he's letting me down while using one of my favorite mutants. I don't understand why he had to drag Mystique back out for this and not even touch on her last appearance. This is a story that didn't need to be told right away and he should've left it. The second story felt like a major rehash of something that was already explained in New X-men. Not to mention that X-23 was so out of character. I liked the third story, but it's not enough to make me rate this book higher than a 1.5 out of 5. Might be tough, but the lack of  actual mutants, some voice issues, a rehashing of info already shown instead of dealing with the here and now, and Iceman's slow story isn't gonna fly with me. But yay for kitty, skrull, and hellfire goon references.

Wolverine Manifest Destiny #2:

Last issue, Wolverine returned to a place where he wasn't wanted and got into a fight. Nothing more and nothing less.

[spoiler]-Wolverine was really worked over and looks horrible. His ex-girlfriend from 50 years ago stands over him holding a gun.

-Lin, his ex, is now the leader of the Black Dragons and she wants her men to teach Logan a lesson—though he's not looking for trouble.

-Fight breaks out and Wolverine is on the losing end. One of his foes actually has the power to punch "through" him. An note of interest is that this would be the MOST opportune moment for Wolverine to start remembering that he has had tons of martial arts training. Something most writers never reference with ol' Logan.

-After Soulstriker's attack, Wolverine notes all the key women in his life and brings up Mystique "dying" in the desert and comes to the conclusion that there's no god or heaven for him.

-Lin orders her men to kill Logan and they all overload him and his healing factor. Logan refuses to die on this day.

-The cops are called and Logan is dragged off. He ends up in a sewer just hoping his healing factor will kick in.

-flashback to 50 years ago when Logan first encountered the Black Dragon clan. He stood up for a noodle shop owner and saved his daughter.

-Wolverine awakens in a place that's underneath the city. Master Po is cooking and taking care of him.

-Master Po offers to teach Logan how to beat the Black Dragon—he wouldn't train Logan 50 years prior—because Logan is a different man now and he's tired of living in a cave.

-Book ends with logan accepting the deal.[/spoiler]

This is a Wolverine book. If you're going in hoping for more than all out fights, blood, scars, and random shows of powers and martial arts, then you picked up the wrong books. It's interesting enough to be a 3 out of 5, but it's more of the same ol', same ol' Wolverine is known for. You know, iceman could've used this solo tie-in book because his story is suffering over in the anthology book known as "X-men: Manifest Destiny".


Ghost Boxes #2

I still don't know why they'd stop mid-arc to do two what-if books. Maybe someone needs a bit of time. The Astonishing curse continues.

[Podmark]

Ghost Boxes #2

I still don't know why they'd stop mid-arc to do two what-if books. Maybe someone needs a bit of time. The Astonishing curse continues.

I'd guess Bianchi needs time to do the art. I knew it would happen.

[Previsionary]

Weapon X- First Class #2:

This is a ridiculous name and I still don't know why it was needed when Wolverine already has one inappropriately named book for all this junk to fit into...oh, Kitty wouldn't work for it, I guess. Whatever, last issue was a basic going-over of Wolverine's old problem of having memory issues. That's it. Wolverine and Xavier go into Logan's memories and try to unlock them and that's that.

[spoiler]The issue starts off with Wolverine stuck in a stasis tube being experimented on. The experiments are becoming very intense and are actually hurting Logan as one scientist points out, but the lead scientist refuses to quit and the experiment continues.

We flash back into the present with Wolverine reacting violently to the memory. Xavier calms him and tells Wolverine that he was warned that unlocking the past might not be pleasant. Xavier tells Wolverine that he should take a rest, but Logan refuses. So, back into his mindscape they go.

Xavier and Logan return to the room they were forced out of in Logan's mindscape. Logan still doesn't remember anything, but every part of him is tingling. We switch back to the past almost instantly and return to the point just after the bonding process has completed. The other scientists under Doctor Cornelius are becoming suspicious of him as he seems to be holding back a lot of information. As the goop is drained, Logan finds himself awake and he lashes out at the nearest thing to him...which happens to be a bunch of men. Suddenly, figment of Logan looks directly at Wolverine and Charles and jumps towards them. Wolverine is tossed through a window and is entangled in wires and relives all the pain he felt back then. This pain he's feeling is overlayed with the actual pain Logan is feeling in his past as he's being shocked into unconsciousness. The scientists that witnessed the event make sure to keep the event that took place a secret to keep their jobs. Wolverine is understandably upset and wants revenge. Xavier tries to persuade him not to do anything, but Logan says he's not a boy scout like Scott. Xavier says not all of Weapon X were monsters. A sole female scientist snuck into Logan's holding cell and fed him when no one else was around.

The next memory is of Wolverine fighting a bunch of goons and not even seeing them as real threats. His skills are much better and his healing factor is taking care of any damage he's sustaining. Xavier is being deeply affected by all of Logan's intense emotion and wants to rest, but Wolverine refuses to quit. As the past Logan continues to fight against his programming and is finally taken out, Wolverine snaps back into his senses and allows Xavier to take the break he asked for. The book ends pretty much on that note with Xavier and Wolverine taking the break and promising to see how things end.[/spoiler]

You know what? I was all ready to blast this book again for even existing. It's a retelling of something that's been explored to death...minus the blood and killing and all that junk. It's a kiddy rehash for no reason! But then...but then I saw this:



And this:



And my spirits LIFTED! They lifted and left the earth and my heart was good again. THIS, people, is the deadpool I want back. Marc Sumerak, go...go and take Way off his DP mantle and give me a DP I can actually read again! The Wolverine part of this issue is a 2 because it's been done to death with better results...the Deadpool part...4. FOUR! If only because I got to enjoy something I've been missing for awhile and he even mentioned his comic sales and not being in the Wolverine part of the story. That...is a plus in my books.

[pr1983]

I have much higher standards for Carey than this and he's letting me down while using one of my favorite mutants.

that right there is your problem...  :P

[murs47]

Those two pages are epic win!

[Podmark]

I have much higher standards for Carey than this and he's letting me down while using one of my favorite mutants.

that right there is your problem...  :P

Carey's an odd writer. He gets the X-Men and when he's on he's on (His first run of X-Men), but when he's off you get very blah stories (Secret Invasion: X-Men, Cannoball DWS, Iceman). He's a fairly hot and cold writer for me, but he's never really did anything that angered me and that's good. He seems to know his continuity.

[Tekkarath]

Those two pages are epic win!

No, every single page with deadpool in that issue is epic win.  I laughed my arse off the entire time.  I still haven't read the Wolvie parts yet.  >_>

[murs47]

I went to my LCS today just to pick up Weapon X: First Class. The Deadpool back story was well worth the price and trip alone. Like Tekkarath, I didn't even read the main story.

Prev-O-Meter: 5 out of 5.

[pr1983]

Carey's an odd writer. He gets the X-Men and when he's on he's on (His first run of X-Men), but when he's off you get very blah stories (Secret Invasion: X-Men, Cannoball DWS, Iceman). He's a fairly hot and cold writer for me, but he's never really did anything that angered me and that's good. He seems to know his continuity.

yeah, i know what you mean... i think x-men, at least imo, can be a dodgy comic for people... they write great stuff on other titles, and then they go to x-men, and seem to lose that, i dunno what the word is... that je ne sais quo...

carey isnt the worst x-writer by any means, but i'd like to think there was at least one top x book every month... astonishing and x-factor don't seem to be what they once were, which puts more pressure on uncanny (fraction is crap on it, imo), and legacy, which isn't a bad book, but just seems to be a fairly generic piece of storytelling...

[spoiler]i mean, lady sinister? does nothing for me, and sinister is my all time favourite villain given the cyclops thing (as cyclops is my favourite hero)[/spoiler]

[Podmark]

Yeah Legacy didn't impress me. It's ok, but not much beyond that. I do like the art though, and I really appreciate that Eaton has (I think) every issue so far.

The disappointing thing for me is that just over a year ago was the for me the best era of X-Men since Morrison. I loved New X-Men, Carey's X-Men was a favorite. Uncanny I didn't read and heard mixed things about but I found it more interesting than the current iteration. Also Astonishing was more interesting to me back then. And I really enjoyed Messiah Complex.

Jump forward to today and:
-New X-Men is gone, replaced with Young X-Men, a book that at first I thought was pretty bad but has been making strides lately.
-Carey's X-Men had become Legacy, a book I just don't find interesting enough to pick up regularly - it lacks the punch of it's old X-Men lineup and Bachalo's art.
-Uncanny seems worse to me, though not significantly. It is however more important. It's now the X-Men book, but it hasn't impressed me in that role.
-Astonishing seems far less important to me. Actually I have almost no idea whats happening in it (no prev I don't read all of your spoilers closely, sorry). Of course that's by design. Whedon really screwed the X-line with the super late books.
-X-Factor I'm actually enjoying more. Hated Stroman's art but he's gone now. It's a slight difference overall though.
-and Wolverine still has other books...
-Plus we have X-Force now, which I love. So there's that. But the rest of the line seems weaker than a year and half ago. Cable has potential but it's plot is too slow.

Thus ends my X-Men retrospective.

[pr1983]

i'd completely agree with about 75% of that...

though i have to say, the cable issue with the cyclops introspective was one of the best issues of the year for me...

[Previsionary]

-Astonishing seems far less important to me. Actually I have almost no idea whats happening in it (no prev I don't read all of your spoilers closely, sorry). Of course that's by design. Whedon really screwed the X-line with the super late books.

You mean I do all this work and you don't even take the time to read it closely? GET OUT! I'm so done. DONE. ^_^
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I don't even remember what's happening in Astonishing anymore and I wrote the reviews. It's been awhile since I've actually reviewed it and the last thing I reviewed was a what-if book that marginally added to w/e the story was. Obviously AA should write those reviews as I think he still likes the book. Good gravy, this is all pod's fault! I now realize that I barely remember the arc outside of the art I dislike and will be forced to skim it. Well, I refuse, Pod. I refuse to skim that book and if you make me...Canada WILL be mine. And I'll send you another fine!

*ahem*

I also agree with most of your thoughts; and since there's no more ongoing X-men: first class books, my fave falls directly to X-force, X-factor, and X-men: Worlds apart as of now. Pr1983, it's no secret that you love cyclops. No secret at all. ^^. Since Legacy's next arc focuses on Rogue, maybe more people will like it because the Xavier hate over the years has grown exponentially. And I know I don't review it here but it seems the Old Man Logan arc is doing well. I've yet to actually read the last few issues. I think the books need to be restructured again because with only two active teams running around + X-factor/Young X-men, it's kind of hurting the line, imo.

[Podmark]

Well, I refuse, Pod. I refuse to skim that book and if you make me...Canada WILL be mine. And I'll send you another fine!

OH IT'S ON!
No one can own Canada but me...or the Canadian government...which should be me...I mean who's to say I'm not Stephen Harper.
Er but yeah IT'S ON!

[pr1983]

Pr1983, it's no secret that you love cyclops. No secret at all. ^^.

:o

:P

somebody has to...

i do like colossus too... and psylocke, and tessa...

[murs47]

Well, I refuse, Pod. I refuse to skim that book and if you make me...Canada WILL be mine. And I'll send you another fine!

OH IT'S ON!
No one can own Canada but me...or the Canadian government...which should be me...I mean who's to say I'm not Stephen Harper.
Er but yeah IT'S ON!

What's a Canada? :huh:

[Podmark]

somebody has to...

Actually Cyclops is my favorite X-Men.

What's a Canada? :huh:

We're a secret cabal that will soon be running everything you hold dear...and everything you don't.

[pr1983]

Actually Cyclops is my favorite X-Men.

:mellow:

:thumbup:

What's a Canada? :huh:

the country that's supposed to solve all my ills...  :wacko:

[murs47]

We're a secret cabal that will soon be running everything you hold dear...and everything you don't.

Everything? If that's the case, can you make it so hot dogs come in packages of 12?

[Previsionary]

NO. That's a marketing plan. That's very intentional.
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Cornell talks Captain Britain vs. Dracula
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Pod also likes Cyclops? Did you say this before because I feel like you have. Whateverage. I have no general opinion on Cyclops except that I liked him more in First class, X-factor, and other storylines I can't name off the top of my head. My "likingment" of him dropped in New X-men [Morrison] especially after the boy ran off to a strip club to avoid dealing with his issues. How coincidental that that's just about the same time I was getting annoyed with Emma. :P

As for Sage...I refuse to acknowledge her after New X-men. She ceased to exist to me after Claremont nabbed her again. Hmph.

[Podmark]

Hot dog buns will soon come out in packages of 7. You have been warned!

Actually one of my earliest posts back on MyFF was my favorite X-Men.
At the time they were
1. Cyclops
2. Angel
3. Bishop
4. Nightcrawler
5. Rachel

That was maybe five years, maybe more. The list might be a little different now. I could see Rachel replaced with Beast, and Kurt would be at risk of falling out of the top 5, Cannonball might sneak in. But yeah Cyclops has always been my favorite. Angel's always been right up there too.

[murs47]

Hot dog buns will soon come out in packages of 7. You have been warned!

I'm okay with that. ^_^

[Silver Shocker]

What's a Canada? :huh:

It's where Americans go to buy their prescription meds now. ;)

I am in agreement, those Deadpool pages are most definitely epic win!  Why isn't that guy writing the ongoing? I also liked how the artist drew Deadpool.

Yeah, Uncanny X-men #500 was probably the worst comic book I've ever read. It was like the All-Star Batman and Robin of X-Men, but not nearly as funny. Cyclops says "Suck it!" to Magneto. Is that supposed to be good dialogue or a parody of bad dialogue? Also Greg Land's art is painful and frustrating to look at. How is this guy allowed to work on the flagship X-Title? Dodson's art is fine. I didn't read any other Uncanny issues since then.

I didn't mind X-Infernus #1. It was Ok. One thing that kinda bugged me was Pixie seemed more angsty than any other writer portrayed before. Not that much seemed to happen in the issue but I think that's because it was split between the X-Men characters and the demon characters.

[pr1983]

Pod also likes Cyclops? Did you say this before because I feel like you have. Whateverage. I have no general opinion on Cyclops except that I liked him more in First class, X-factor, and other storylines I can't name off the top of my head. My "likingment" of him dropped in New X-men [Morrison] especially after the boy ran off to a strip club to avoid dealing with his issues. How coincidental that that's just about the same time I was getting annoyed with Emma. :P

As for Sage...I refuse to acknowledge her after New X-men. She ceased to exist to me after Claremont nabbed her again. Hmph.

funnily enough, i thought morrison's x-men was great...

and yeah, after claremont got tessa, that killed her for me...

I am in agreement, those Deadpool pages are most definitely epic win!  Why isn't that guy writing the ongoing? I also liked how the artist drew Deadpool.

Yeah, Uncanny X-men #500 was probably the worst comic book I've ever read. It was like the All-Star Batman and Robin of X-Men, but not nearly as funny. Cyclops says "Suck it!" to Magneto. Is that supposed to be good dialogue or a parody of bad dialogue? Also Greg Land's art is painful and frustrating to look at. How is this guy allowed to work on the flagship X-Title? Dodson's art is fine. I didn't read any other Uncanny issues since then.

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though i actually enjoy all star batman...

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funnily enough, i thought morrison's x-men was great...

and yeah, after claremont got tessa, that killed her for me...

Most of Morrison's run was good to me...well I thought more of it was good rather than bad, but I didn't like Cyclops much near the end especially when he decided to run off instead of dealing with his marriage/apocalypse issues. He wasn't at his best in that arc and I didn't sympathize with him. Speaking of Tessa:

New Exiles #15:

Last issue involved Saurons in metal armor, daughters of the dragon, skrulls, bugs, and shiars. I don't remember the story and I don't care to know it.  Funnily enough, half of those mentioned things don't appear in this story...or that's what i gathered from the reviews/scans I saw. I forgot this book even came out this week. I'm assuming it's already canceled until it's eventual relaunch. :P

[spoiler]-takes place in London, capital of Britannia. The Exiles prepare for war for some reason. I think I missed the mission objective last issue.

-Large explosion startles the team and the civies. They are being attacked.

-ArchAngel/Krait appears and continues to attack the ironmen + Exiles. Mira/Hypernova also helps out.

-Scotts daughter kills one of the ironmen but is knocked out by Morph. Scott then shows up and tries to take out Morph himself. Psylocke stops him only to be confronted by Xavier...and then Alex/Havok.

-Rogue and Archangel continue to fight. Xavier gets into her mind and she's distracted. Kitty pulls Xavier through the rocky ground, but he also tears at Cat's mind. Meanwhile, Alex keeps sniping people.

-Gambit and Mystiq take out the remainer of the team and try to save Cat

-Lilandra appears and disposes of Morph. Sue then appears and takes care of Mystiq. It's confirmed that Cat killed Wolverine.[/spoiler]

Sage:

[spoiler]-Random creatures with tentacles attack Sage and Diana, her other personality.

-Diana is overwhelmed and Sage contemplates leaving her. She decides not to because she's better than that and Storm saved her once.

-taking a page from Storm's book, Sage and Diana work together

-Diana refuses to stay by Sage's side once they discuss who takes over Sage's body.

-I think merlyn returns and confronts Sage as a giant sphere of electrical energy...even though he's supposedly in Captain Britain right now and "good"ish.[/spoiler]

2. Just going by all the info I gathered, the preview scans, some other scans posted by readers, and the quirks I see in Claremont's writing. "What the devil!" is his go to phrase and he needs to break up with it. Also, the daughters of the dragon didn't seem to do ANYTHING in this story and he spent a good deal of last issue setting them up. Not to mention that he needs to decide on what Psylocke's power levels are and stick to it. YOu can't have her going around for almost two years saying she can blast mountains and then substantially weaken her every time her teke or ninjetti skills are used. Sage and her issues do nothing for me. She's had these personalities in her head since New Excalibur and he just now decided to work on her issues before the cancellation? That makes no sense. There's like 20+ issues in that gap. Oh Claremont...how you've fallen off a mountain in your writing. What the devil indeed.

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Most of Morrison's run was good to me...well I thought more of it was good rather than bad, but I didn't like Cyclops much near the end especially when he decided to run off instead of dealing with his marriage/apocalypse issues. He wasn't at his best in that arc and I didn't sympathize with him.

i thought it was the fact that he left that made it better... he felt jean wasn't going to listen to him after her little freak out on emma, so he left... the wrong decision? sure, but it was a very human one imo...