Heroes Season 2 Open Discussion

[thanoson]

Hmm... anyone think West could be Nathan's son as well?

[thalaw2]

That could be possible.  It's likely that Micah is the only case of parents and Children not sharing the same powers.  Maybe Claire's mom and Adam hooked up and West comes from some other affair or a secret that Nathan's wife was hiding or he was grown in captivity...Have we met West's family?

EDIT:  Was Bob's daughter born with powers or did he give them to her via experiments?

[Sevenforce]

Conduit and Cat:

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1)I'd take it that shooting someone, in the FACE, is pretty much an "I want you dead" even if you ARE bringing him back. I mean, how much more of a message could you send? Shooting the corpse? And all to help protect the company which is, at best, misunderstood and, at worst, a stereotypical villainous company...which he has seen mistreats normals AND supers - AND, just to top it off, stores deadly viruses! Just a teeensy weensy bit out of character, no?

2)Even if he didn't know his blood would bring him back, he shot him in the brain! I'm assuming that this is why "Theres no coming back" from having your head taken off, which leads to a few questions about Claire and Peters spikes in the head. Or this could be conjecture and not a plot hole.[/spoiler]

[starlock]

That said ...bad episode for so many reasons... :thumbdown:

Really now? Could you then Elaborate on your reasoning behind it being your "least favorite episode by far", so that we can actually review them, not just "I didn't like it because it was STOOPID!"

This is a discussion thread. Oddly enough, that means you "discuss"

I don't mind if you don't like something, but you can't just post "I didn't like it!" it's an unnescessary negative statement, and despite this being the place for negative comments, those comments are to be tethered with actual reasons and not pointless statements.

Well i would have but i did not want to offend anyone, and yes its my right to post how i want when i want, show me the rules to the site which state i must explain myself, i have been a member for over five years and had my time in making fx, skins, hexxing, and helping with mods and even used the donation button on a regular basis, i have a site i pay for just for these boards which has skins and mods for all to download and i have not even played the game for over 2 years i pay for my site to please this community, so dont tell me what i have to do!

Sylar's acting was horrible period, alexandro goes to stop sylar and knocks on the door? alexandro knows he is a murderer and just goes to his room to knock and say leave her alone? and the whole sylar kills alexando was so dumb and lame...seems like i was watching a bad soap opera...a very bad soap opera

Sylars character should have been killed and stayed dead, his involment in this season only distracts me from the advancement of the plot, and his first season would have been amazing to end on, not ruining the character by keeping him involved

Peter... what is wrong with his character, just bad writing, his assesment of adam is annoying and plain dumb...peter after getting his memories back should be growing as a character not going backwards

St Joan....why did i see this coming a mile away, why not have her get out the way she came in and have some friends just arrive to catch her or have micha get in trouble and get away causing her to be captured, her getting caught in the house was just lame

Mohinder suresh... what can i say about him, i am getting annoyed with his character,maybe it is what the writers want, but his going back and forth with his morality issues is boring and done way to much

This is the setup to the season finale and yet seems like a chaotic rush of events that are not thought out and fitting for the characters development, or for the developement of the plot

I love the show and its my love for the show which makes me dissapointed in it, i love superman, but that did not stop me from speaking my mind about the horrible movie called superman returns, and i will continue to post how i want to, let the mods handle whats wrong or what rules i break, if the cry babies did not want to see negative comments in the original thread i would have explained myself, but there is the problem trying to pacify the weak and easily depressed people who cant take critisism of their favorite show

I do not want this show to get cancelled, and trust me with the ratings it was getting it was not safe, and for the creator to come out and speak about the problems we were discussing ,shows great promise, its really disturbing for people to post what the creator was appologizing for as if nothing was wrong with their favorite show..done ranting ...happy?

Dont like my post ...report me, delete it whatever,its my opinon and it just that... deal with it

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

See, that was better.

Your first post was whining.  You gave no reasons for anything and really didn't say anything worth saying.

The second post, while a bit difficult to read at times, at least is a discussion.  Ranting is fine in this topic.

And the reason I asked folks to stop being negative in the other one, isn't because some people are behaving like babies, it because they were about ready to give up on the show--and realized it was all the negativity that was turning them off to it.  I think folks should care enough about each other to give up a bit of whining in order to not spoil someone else's time.

Your response was interesting though.  You needn't be so defensive, there just is really no point to a post that just says "I hate this."  You're latest post is the kind of thing we wanted, so chill.

[Talavar]

That could be possible.  It's likely that Micah is the only case of parents and Children not sharing the same powers.  Maybe Claire's mom and Adam hooked up and West comes from some other affair or a secret that Nathan's wife was hiding or he was grown in captivity...Have we met West's family?

Really?  You're going from one case of a parent & child sharing a power to Micah being the exception?  So Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli must have had flying and power absorbtion as their powers?  Seems like a jump.

[BWPS]

Hmm... anyone think West could be Nathan's son as well?

What? Having two characters MOUTHKISS ON-SCREEN and then later reveal they are brother and sister?!?!

That could never happen.

[thanoson]

Dude, that would be awesome. Talk about angst and emo there. Topic at the Bennet home over dinner?
Mom's Bennet "So Claire, what did you do today?"
Claire "Nothing much mom. Made out with West some more."
HRG comes in whith a puzzled look on his face.
Claire " What's wrong dad? You look like you've seen a ghost."
HRG "Oh Claire Bear, I don't know how to tell you this. Umm, West is your brother."
Claire starts to projectile vomit.

[Panther_Gunn]

Hmm... anyone think West could be Nathan's son as well?

What? Having two characters MOUTHKISS ON-SCREEN and then later reveal they are brother and sister?!?!

That could never happen.

Yeah, that's something not even George Lucas would be a part of.  <_<

[Conduit]

Wow, this is getting ridiculous.  One example of a child having the same power as his parent, and now you're assuming it is the norm, even when they are 3 contradictory examples (4 if you count the online comics)?  If you're going to argue that the examples of power duplication are due to heredity, you'll have a difficult time with the online comics, as in them we've seen 2 people who can control electricity, both of whom are around Elle's age.

EDIT:  Was Bob's daughter born with powers or did he give them to her via experiments?

Given that it has never even been suggested that experiments could give someone powers on this show, it's almost certainly the former.  Her life story describes her developing her powers then being given to the Company.

As for West, this quote from here should clear things up a bit:

Claire's new classmate West can fly. This brings up an interesting question about the heroes - can two different people have identical powers? And going back to Neal's theory above, does this necessarily indicate a genetic link? Are Claire and the classmate going to end up being the Luke and Leia of "Heroes?"

First off, Ew. And no, similar powers do not mean a genetic link. We've seen that the existence of powers may be something passed on, but the powers themselves are a crapshoot of sorts. For example, phase-man + strength-girl = talks to machines.

Oh, and I'd just like to point out that Meredith seemed pretty sure that Nathan was the father.  I don't see any reason why she would pretend otherwise, especially after Nathan thought she died.

[catastrophe]

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[spoiler]at least now we got a clue how the Chanti Virus mutates, probably Maja's power mixed with the virus or something...[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Episode's not even over yet, but I have one thing to say:

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Maya's dead.  So why even have her in the first place?  She has been here for 11 episodes and serves absolutely no purpose in the plot whatsoever.  I had faith in the heroes folks that she would end up important, or they would not have had her.  I feel betrayed.  All you guys who said her storyline was a waste were just proven right.
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EDIT:  Okay, called it too soon.  However, they've already used the same gimick two episodes in a row, and I'm already thinking it was a bad idea to introduce it.

[Figure Fan]

I mean, I know that the writers strike is causing a lot of trouble, but this finale was seriously underwhelming. They said it was over and I was just like, "Are you serious?" as I checked the time on my phone. Lo and behold it was 9:59. I was still waiting for something to happen..

I like the premise of Part 3 "Villains" but seriously, they need to start making things happen that don't just become meaningless the next time you watch.

[Conduit]

I agree that this was somewhat underwhelming.  I think that the writer's strike may have contributed to this, as they did some last minute rewrites so this could function as a season finale.  But it was still a pretty enjoyable ride.

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So Sylar had the virus for at least 2 weeks without showing any symptoms apart from loss of his abilities?  That's a very slow acting disease.  I had gotten the impression that it killed people a lot quicker than that.

It's a little dissapointing but not unexpected that Niki was killed off.  I guess they really didn't know what to do with her.  I'm also dissapointed that Monica's storyline amounted to almost nothing in the grand scheme of the plot.  She had some real potential, but at least she's still alive.

I'll probably post more thoughts about this episode and the rest of the season when I think of them, maybe tomorrow.
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About the last minute rewrites, they were some very detailed spoilers published before the rewrites.  They got everything else right, so they're probably legitimate.
[spoiler]
The original plan was for the virus to actually break out in Odessa, and it would be quarantined.  Nathan's press conference was to thank the people of the city for being brave enough to carry out the quarantine.  Claire would watch this on TV and find out that Peter is alive.  After the speech, however, Nathan would start to get sick, with the implication that he has the virus.  There was also something about Elle bringing down Sylar, but I don't know if that means anything more than what we saw in the final episode.
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[BentonGrey]

Well, I've definitely got to disagree with those of you who said that this was underwhelming.  Considering the fact that this wasn't MEANT to be the season finale, perhaps I'm just cutting it a bit of slack, but still, I found it pretty entertaining. 

[spoiler]I do wish Maya had stayed dead, though.  When Sylar shot her, my wife and I were like "at last!"  The only thing that we were disappointed at was that she hadn't killed Sylar first.  If it weren't for Molly having been in the way, I wish she would have wiped out both Sylar AND Mohinder in his apartment.

Once again, Mohinder is pretty stupid.  He could have simply smashed the vial with Claire's blood, and Sylar would be doomed to die.  Yeah, Sylar might have killed him, but it's more likely that he would have kept him around in hopes of finding another cure.  Still...I wouldn't weep over Mohinder biting it.

The part with HRG was somewhat surprising, and I am not entirely thrilled with it, but I suppose it makes sense.  I hope it turns out for the best next season. 

I was, like some of you, also really disappointed with Echo girl's story.  I kept thinking, OK, now she remembers seeing something on escape artists and slips out of the ropes....ok NOW she uses kung-fu skills to beat the crap out of that guy even while tied up....ok NOW she manages a daring last minute escape.....but....she did......nothing.

I was really sad to see Nathan die, although it certainly made sense in the story.  He has, perhaps, had the most dramatic journey of any of the heroes, and we've seen the least of it.  With the last couple of episodes, he had quickly become one of my favorites, and I was really looking forward to him putting his life back together.  This time around, he could have served as the group's moral compass instead of Peter.  I do have a couple of problems with that scene though.  Peter could have A) Frozen time when he heard the bullets, B) Reversed time when Nathan got shot, C) Frozen time long enough to get Nathan to a hospital.  Also, Nathan's death would in no way stop them from spreading their message.  Peter could demonstrate his powers even more effectively than Nathan, and it's not like they've got any lack of press power there.  I'm hopeful Nathan will come back next semester, but I don't really think he will. 

Also, did Peter's blind faith in Adam bother anyone else?  He's known this guy for a fairly short time, he's murdered at least two people that he knew of, and he's heard reports of him murdering others.  Then, people he knows and has fought along side start showing up, all telling him that Adam's evil.........hmm......maybe it might be worth freezing time and going to check out what he's doing in there with the virus...all alone....where he LET HIM GO.  At least after Hiro tells him Adam is evil, you'd think Peter might want to go inside the vault WITH him. 

However, there were tons of great things too.  I loved the Hiro/Peter fight, even if it was brief.  Hiro's mastery over his powers put him on ALMOST even footing with Peter, which was cool and believable.

Adam's fate was comic book awesome.

Hiro's silence after giving him said fate........also awesome, and showing us a new darkness to the character.  This is interesting, although I hope it doesn't ruin him.

Micah showing off his powers was cool, although that little storyline should have happened a little faster.

Seeing Maya die, however briefly was satisfying.   

Elle questioning her father, and her reaction to the new knowledge.  It was surprising, and she is more and more becoming a really interesting character.  I also really want to know exactly what is going on with Bob.

Mrs. Petrelli's stone cold reception of her son's death....man, that woman is HARD.  My wife and I STILL want to know what the original's powers are.  Are there any clues on that?
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[Podmark]

If anyone watches lost, Maya and her brother really reminded me of the two characters introduced in Lost's last season that everyone hated.

[GhostMachine]

[spoiler]Frankly, if Sylar isn't stopped....and by that, I mean either deceased with an identifiable corpse present or given a frontal lobotomy and tossed in a mental institution.....next season, I may not watch a fourth.

Maya needs to go. Seriously. Unless she learns how to control her power better instead of just being able to shut it off, I don't see what use she'll be, powers-wise, when its dangerous to anyone around her. I like the actress well enough, but the character sucks.

I do have a theory about why they're keeping her around, though, and if I'm right, I'm going to be ticked off, and I bet I won't be the only one:

Its quite possible that Sylar will gain a power that makes it hard, or impossible, for Peter or any of the other heroes to stop him. Conveniently, this power won't save him from Maya's. Personally, I'd rather see Elle do to Sylar what she did to Kaitlyn's brother, if Peter or Hiro isn't the one who takes him out, and if they do go the "Maya defeats him" route, I hope she gets written out of the series afterward (dies defeating him, decides to go back home, gets depowered and decides to start a new life somewhere else, etc).

Mohinder was too much of an idiot this season. Seriously. I was almost hoping he'd bite the dust![/spoiler]

[catastrophe]

[spoiler]ARGH! This is the worst thing that could happen...both niki and nathan, and Adam is sealed under the ground...3 good characters perished

The guy that shot Nathan looked like Noah, is this what he ment with "go with them?"[/spoiler]

[BWPS]

Despite being sad that the season ended so soon, I thought it was a good finale.

[spoiler]There's no way Nathan stays dead. It'd just be stupid if no one thinks to give him a simple blood transfusion from his daughter. If they wanted him actually dead, he would've gotten the head shot. Niki is probably dead, I assume she'll just burn up. Which is ok because she didn't do ANYTHING this season, not even a popular wrestling finisher. That girl who got captured must have spent a day watching the "Staying Tied Up Competition" marathon on TV. Still a possibility that Niki escaped. So does healing make you unable to starve or get dehydrated? Even if not, isn't that a worse punishment than death?[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

[spoiler]
Kring gave an interview with TV Guide where he said that they don't know whether Nathan or Niki are dead and will decide after the strike ends.  So I guess we can't really tell if Nathan's dead.  I highly doubt Niki will survive, though.  That explosion looked pretty final, and it's clear from this season that they don't know what to do with her.
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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

They should have left her as Mohinder's partner.  That development had potential.

[bredon7777]

Why, oh why, is there no budget for a decent fight sequence on this show? They've cut fight sequences that should be epic, short.  :(

[Viking]

Definitely enjoyed this episode, even though it did feel rushed due to the writers' strike.

[spoiler]So now they've asserted, repeatedly, that a shot to the head is straight-out fatal to a Hero, and that there's no coming back from it.  Which makes me wonder just how far the bullet drilled into HRG's head when he got shot in the eye.  Still, based on the canon established from Season One, it would seem that the use of powers is tied to a specific area of the brain.  (Peter Petrelli got that shard of glass embedded in the back of his head, which prevented him from regenerating until Claire pulled it out.)  But if they're not careful with this mechanic, the regenerative blood could become way too much of a plot crutch.

True to comic book rules, no character should be counted on as dead until the corpse is confirmed as cold, and the ashes are verified as belonging to the corpse.  And even then it's not certain.

Nathan Petrelli was definitely one of my favorite characters this episode.  There was a great brotherly dynamic between him and Peter.  I also liked how his hair was still in disarray, suggestive that while he may be sober, he's still recovering from his bout with alcohol.

Elle also had some nice character development this episode.  She desperately wants to have a father-daughter relationship with her dad, and she showed a a surprised satisfaction as she realized that she saved Mohinder and company from being killed by Sylar.

It's definitely puzzling as to why the virus injected into Sylar didn't give an indication of its long-term lethality.  It's not necessarily inconsistent with what happened to Nikki, though.  As far as I know, they never set a timetable on how long the virus would take to kill its host.  So it could have been slowly killing Sylar as well as Nikki.  In any case, maybe Mohinder's discovery that Sylar was injected with the same virus as Nikki will cause him to Get A Freaking Clue that the Company is not to be trusted.

I'm curious as to what Ma Petrelli envisions as the result of "opening Pandora's Box."  Mobilizing Heroes to band together and adopt a scorched-earth policy with regards to the Company?[/spoiler]

[BentonGrey]

They should have left her as Mohinder's partner.  That development had potential.

True Cat, that would have been interesting.

[OutsiderNo11]

[spoiler]What really frustrates me about this episode is that they have Molly, Elle, and Maya sitting there and Suresh doesn't realize that they can stop Sylar right then and there by finding him and frying/diseasing him.  If the writers for the show went on strike, then good riddence I say.  Stupid plotholes.

Having Nathon and Nikki die (thought that remains to be seen) was a good way to go.  I also enjoyed Adam's fate at the end of the episode.

I wonder if Angela was talking to Bob or Linderman?  Malcolm McDowell did hint that his character could return later.[/spoiler]

[thanoson]

I'm not too bothered by what Hiro did to Adam. Hasn't one of our most honored heroes done the same thing to Darkseid before?

[Sevenforce]

[spoiler]

I wonder if Angela was talking to Bob or Linderman?  Malcolm McDowell did hint that his character could return later.

Uh...how? He got a fist IN the brain. Then again, magic blood! God...[/spoiler]

Yeah, Thanoson, if I remember right Superman also dumped Mongul in a black hole...

[OutsiderNo11]

If anyone watches lost, Maya and her brother really reminded me of the two characters introduced in Lost's last season that everyone hated.

Ironically, with those two characters, their backstory was real interesting.  Of course, that was the episode where they were killed off...

Maya is a solid character now that Alejandro is dead and she's no longer with Sylar.  In fact, she may join up with the Company and won't that be an interesting take.  With her being some kind of doomsday-type weapon used on special people whose abilities are too dangerous and out of control.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

While that would be interesting, I would think that, having been manipulated by Sylar, she wouldn't like being manipulated by anyone else.  But we'll see.

Why, oh why, is there no budget for a decent fight sequence on this show? They've cut fight sequences that should be epic, short.

Because these guys can't do action.  They don't know how, and any attempts to do so would only look ridiculous.  They are, however, getting better at shorter super-powered fights, so we may at least see more of those.  Besides, if you think about it, the presence of powers really show garantee that any fight does stay pretty short.

[Conduit]

Some thoughts on this volume:

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Now that this volume is over, what exactly, was the point of Maya and Sylar's storylines?  Maya did nothing, and all Sylar did was get back to where he was at the end of last season.  The only effect that he had on the main storyline was killing Candice, which could have been done any number of ways.

Another thing I'm a little dissapointed about is the Elder heroes storyline.  This volume was supposed to tell us about the previous generation and their group, but now that it's over, we only have a thumbnail sketch.  We found out how many were in the group, and learned that Adam tried to lead some astray, but that's about it.  4 members were simply killed offscreen without us ever meeting them or even learning anything about them.  They apparently all have powers, but we only know the powers of 4 of them.  Would it have been so hard to have Victoria use her power before her death, perhaps against with Adam and Peter, or to have Hiro ask his father what power he has before taking him back to die?  Angela's power has been a nagging question for a while now, and by this point I'm not sure we'll ever find out.  What we saw of this storyline was great, and gave us some of the best moments of the season, but it was underused.

The virus storyline provided a pretty good conflict.  I think that it was about as good as it could have been given how it was drastically cut short due to the writer's strike.
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And more specific to this episode:

[spoiler]
I'd just like to say again how cool Adam's fate was.

It's definitely puzzling as to why the virus injected into Sylar didn't give an indication of its long-term lethality.  It's not necessarily inconsistent with what happened to Nikki, though.  As far as I know, they never set a timetable on how long the virus would take to kill its host.  So it could have been slowly killing Sylar as well as Nikki.  In any case, maybe Mohinder's discovery that Sylar was injected with the same virus as Nikki will cause him to Get A Freaking Clue that the Company is not to be trusted.

This wouldn't have bothered me as much if we could see that it was slowly killing him.  If he had gotten a small fever, a cough, a general lack of energy, something to indicate that the virus was doing damage besides suppressing his powers.

It's a little wierd how Hiro didn't react to Matt at all.  The last and only time Hiro met Matt, he beat him up and killed his future self.  Sure, that's his dark future version, but Hiro doesn't know what Matt's like now.

When Sylar prepared for the blood test, he put his gun down on the table.  Couldn't Mohinder have just grabbed it then?  Of course, this is Mohinder we're talking about.
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