BSG: Beginning of the End

[captainspud]

Just noticed we don't have a thread yet for the last season of BSG.

Soooooo... what do we think of this season?

[spoiler]
I don't think Starbuck's a Cylon. They wouldn't reveal all five in one shot. We won't find the last one until the last 20% of the season. There's some other-- completely stupid-- reason for her to be back.

*shrugs*

My money's still on Gaeta, btw. ;)
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[Podmark]

I thought it was a great premiere. Not sure who the Final one is.

[B A D]

I dunno. I'm still of the opinion BSG jumped the shark over the fracking moon when The "final four" were revealed. Somewhere along the way the show morphed from humanity on the run (seasons 1 through part of 3) to some metaphysical claptrap about what a Cylon is or isn't.

I'll watch the first few episodes to see if it holds water .

BTW, whatever Earth Kara saw, sure as hell wasn't ours. ("yellow moon and sun.")

[captainspud]

It jumped the shark when they colonized New Caprica. It became too much of a soap opera at that point.

Having your TV characters all agree to something that NO viewer wants = bad idea.

[GogglesPizanno]

It jumped the shark when they colonized New Caprica. It became too much of a soap opera at that point.

Having your TV characters all agree to something that NO viewer wants = bad idea.

All shows devolve into a soap opera in some way shape or form. I get the arguments for it jumping the shark, but at the same time, doing something your viewers don't want instead of just rehashing the same thing over and over can be pretty ballsy, and I respect the show for doing it and at least trying something new. How successful that was is totally subjective....

[B A D]

No, I didn't mind the "one year  later " jump at all. If anything, it was a logical thing for  the refugees to want to do. What killed me was the fact that some of the most human characters on the show are now toasters. Or whatever they really are. Somewhere along the way it stopped being BSG and turned into ...i dunno. Just not BSG.

[GogglesPizanno]

Somewhere along the way it stopped being BSG and turned into ...i dunno. Just not BSG.

Now I guess I don't feel that way because while I watched the original series when I was younger, I didn't have any kind of love for the mythology or the characters as some larger whole. It was simply the closest I was gonna get to Star Wars the TV show, and that was the extent of my interest -- Until Buck Rogers  ;).

So this new show (for me) doesn't have any kind of rules or criteria that makes it "BSG." The show is basically what it is, and I'm just along for the ride to see where they go with it. I for one like the whole storyline of "what is a person" etc... and I find it kind of intriguing... though I will admit that some some of the metaphysical aspects have gotten a bit heavy handed in the last batch of episodes.

[Conduit]

The premiere was the first whole episode that I watched while it aired.  I spent the two weeks before the premiere watching the Season 3 dvds.  Having to wait an entire week between episodes is a new experience for me.

I loved the premiere.  I can't wait to see where the story goes.

What killed me was the fact that some of the most human characters on the show are now toasters. Or whatever they really are. Somewhere along the way it stopped being BSG and turned into ...i dunno. Just not BSG.

I don't really see the problem with the 4 turning out to be Cylons.  I especially don't see how this is contrary to the show's style.  I mean, how is this any different from Boomer being revealed as a Cylon at the end of the miniseries?

BTW, whatever Earth Kara saw, sure as hell wasn't ours. ("yellow moon and sun.")

That was probably just a dialogue slip up.  The script read "yellow star and moon" and the actress said it in the wrong order.  All of her other references (a ringed gas giant, a trinary star system nearby) are way too close.  Not to mention that view of Earth from the last finale looked exactly like ours, and she said that it matched the Scrolls of Pythia.

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Starbuck's a toaster.  I know that it seems too obvious, but there's simply no other way she could have survived.  And this show tries to be pretty realistic. The only other explanation I can think of would be divine intervention.  And while this show has had its fair share of visions and prophecies, I highly doubt it would go that far.

If she isn't, there better be a really good explanation.
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[Ares_God_of_War]

[spoiler]Lol maybe they could take a que from the original series and say she was saved by the "seraphs" and the "Ship of Light" but yeah I think it will be her or the President. I am personally hoping its the president[/spoiler]

[JKCarrier]

I mean, how is this any different from Boomer being revealed as a Cylon at the end of the miniseries?

It worked the first time because it was a shock. Now, they've pulled the same stunt so many times that it just makes me roll my eyes whenever another Cylon is revealed. To me, the best parts of the show are the human drama -- seeing these people struggling for survival under intense conditions. The Cylons were better as a vague background threat that propelled the action; the more the show focuses on them, the more you realize that none of their actions make any sense. I'm afraid we're heading for another X-Files ending, where the show collapses under the weight of it's own convoluted mythology.

[GogglesPizanno]

I'm afraid we're heading for another X-Files ending, where the show collapses under the weight of it's own convoluted mythology.

If they can succeed in four seasons where X-Files took Nine... that would be an impressive implosion indeed!
However if the Last Cylon is revealed to be Robert Patrick, then all would be forgiven.

[Podmark]

the more the show focuses on them, the more you realize that none of their actions make any sense.

I have to agree with this. I watched the first 2 seasons on DVD with my friend and one of our constant discussions is how there's now way the Cylons "have a plan".

[B A D]

They have a plan, they just forgot it.

[captainspud]

The cylons, like all immortals, are just friggin bored. They're playing with the human race because it keeps them entertained.

PROVE ME WRONG!

[GogglesPizanno]

They're playing with the human race because it keeps them entertained.

Thats great for the humans, cause it means they are only in harms way until GTA IV is released!

[Camma]

First let me say that after all the revalations and silly drama (and drastic move away from the sci-fi genre) i just can't care anymore.  I like BAD will likely watch the first few episodes just to see how stuff pans out, but i really can't take it anymore.

PROVE ME WRONG!

I think the next episode will given some of the scenes.

[B A D]

I think the big problem with BSG now is they're desperately trying to be too clever by half at this point. They'e WWWAAAAYYY overused the Cylon infiltrator thing. When Boomer was a Cylon it was a shock. When Deanna Beers was a Cylon you went - "I KNEW IT!" When brother Cavil was a Cylon you went "Again?" and when the final four were revealed you went "meh. who the frack isn't one?" AND Apollo is a whiney little girly man. That is all.

[GogglesPizanno]

I guess i don't mind as it was clear based on the numbering and discussions early on that there were 12 cylon models and that they all were "human". Given that they infiltrated society and there are very few humans left (and they are almost all contained in the ships) is should be no surprise to anyone at all that they are gonna be revealed to be characters. That was a given to me since Season 1. Sure you could argue that maybe number 9 shoulda been Joe Schmo, the refinery worker on assembly line #7... but from a dramatic standpoint... what does that do? More credible? Perhaps. But it doesn't do much to create conflict.

I guess maybe I'm willing to give them some credit that these particular reveals are all part of whatever master plan or plot they have. I may be wrong, and if come the end of the season they drop the ball, so be it. But the show has definately not gotten me to the point where I'm trashing it as jumping the shark or anything, and given that they had a limited time frame and fixed end point, Im gonna remain optimistic that they know where they want to go with it.

And Apollo has always been a whiny girlie man....