Thor vs Red Hulk

[captmorgan72]

So Hulk 05 comes out next week I think, with Thor taking on the Red Hulk. I remember Thor saying to Iron Man that he wasn't holding back anymore. If this is true then the fight between him and Red Hulk should last around three panels. The Odin Force is as much a part of Thor now as is Mjolnir. Panel one has Red Hulk charging Thor proclaiming that he is the newest strongest one there is. Thor raises Mjolnir with both hands to the sky. Panel two has Red Hulk leaping at Thor ready to crush him. Mjolnir begins to burn with the brightness of a dozen suns, illuminating half of the planet. Panel three has Thor lowering Mjolnir and letting loose a antiforce/Odinforce blast that vaporizes Red Hulk into nothing. End of fight. Of course this won't be how the fight goes, it will be a drawn out slugfest meaning the writers will contradict what was told in a earlier issue. But that is always how it goes in comics.

[MJB]

Bah. I know nothing of this "Red Hulk" but if he is anything like the original Hulk then Thor is in for a fight.

-MJB

[herodad1]

me no like red hulk.RRRrrr!

[Protomorph]

Red Hulk is new on the scene, in his brief time has shot (yes, Shot) and killed Abominaion, destroyed a SHIELD Helicarrier, and trounced Iron Man, She Hulk and GREEN Hulk. He has his full intellect, and is quite vicious in his fighting style. He seems to get hotter, as his anger increases.
[spoiler]
It has also been hinted at, he may be Doc Samson, (but totally out of character with him.)[/spoiler]

He's only been around 6 or so issues, so I doubt Thor will kill him.

[Carravaggio]

Is the green hulk who was trounced by red hulk at his hax WWH power levels or has he been depowered to an extent since then?

[Blkcasanova247]

Is the green hulk who was trounced by red hulk at his hax WWH power levels or has he been depowered to an extent since then?

It seems like he's being written....with less seathing rage and therefore not as strong as in WWH. And he's also gone back to "stupid" Hulk. Thor at the power level he is being written at should whup Red Hulks behind...but for the sake of this bad story...he won't.

[AfghanAnt]

Is the green hulk who was trounced by red hulk at his hax WWH power levels or has he been depowered to an extent since then?

It seems like he's being written....with less seathing rage and therefore not as strong as in WWH. And he's also gone back to "stupid" Hulk. Thor at the power level he is being written at should whup Red Hulks behind...but for the sake of this bad story...he won't.

Actually we don't know Thor's power level. We know he might have the Odin force and has gone head to head with the Destroyer but (only one person was controlling it) but I have a feeling he'd never really tap into the Odin-level of power after what happened in the Reigning.

[captmorgan72]

Thor certainly has the Odin-force, in issue 08 he met with Odin while in the Odin-sleep, which Odin told him is now the Thor-sleep. Odin also tells his son that the power that was his, is now forever Thor's. This power added to Thor's already massive power, makes Thor one of the most powerful of all beings in creation and that is including the cosmic beings. There is no way in hell that Red Hulk should even give Thor trouble but we all know that he will.  I suppose that it would be a boring story if Thor killed him in two panels.

[hoss20]

So, I just got home after picking up Hulk #5 and I have to say I'm more than a little disappointed.

[spoiler]I mean come on, Red Hulk took a shot by Mjolnir dead in the face and it didn't even phase him. Give me a break! They're not even being consistent from issue to issue. Even though Green Hulk got beaten, at least he put up a fight. Thor just got completely punked. [/spoiler]

[steamteck]

Sounds like I'm really glad I'm giving it a skip. Almost got it because Thor was in it.

[thanoson]

Really, this was a bad showing for Thor. You might have just had spider-man take a swing. Would have been the same outcome. Though, his trick did remind me of one Ghost Rider used against him. Thor threw his hammer at GR. GR drives away on his bike as fast as he can. When the hammer returned to Thor, GR grabbed the handle and rode it back to deliver a great looking haymaker.

[captmorgan72]

I actually liked this issue. Rulk is clever you have to give him that. I loved the way he got around the enchantment of not being able to pick up Mjolnir. Also anyone that can pummel Thor with his own hammer deserves respect.

[B A D]

You don't "get around " the enchantment. Its not just really heavy. NOBODY who's worthy should be able to pick it up, much less use it as a croquet mallet on Odin's boy. It says so right on the side of the freaking hammer. The second thor let go of it , Rulk should have shot down toward earth like a missile, period. 

[ow_tiobe_sb]

You don't "get around " the enchantment. Its not just really heavy. NOBODY who's worthy should be able to pick it up, much less use it as a croquet mallet on Odin's boy. It says so right on the side of the freaking hammer. The second thor let go of it , Rulk should have shot down toward earth like a missile, period. 

This was exactly the same complaint (amongst other complaints) I had about the Ultimate Avengers animated film.  Of course, I know too little about the Ultimates' reality to know if their Thor, not to mention his axe-edged Mjolnir, operate under different magical conditions.

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Phantom Bunburyist and Fop o' th' Morning

[tommyboy]

Yeah, whilst I can see that they are setting up red hulk as the Baddest Bad Bottom Around, having him beat up all the heaviest hitters in the MU, I disliked the way the hammer was handled.
For many a year villains or heroes would just separate Thor from the hammer if a beating were needed, thats what should have happened here. Otherwise we have the hulk holding the hammer and jumping up out of the earths gravitational pull, while thor holds on to the strap. Not very well written. Not very important, either, in the larger scheme of things, but could have been done better.  :thumbdown:

[AncientSpirit]

Based on what I'm reading here, I think I'm glad I've decided to pass on the Red Hulk.

We've already had green hulk, grey hulk and red hulk ... and I'm beginning to wonder if Marvel is heading down DC's kryptonite past - green, red, silver, gold, black, jeweled, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Color me ... unimpressed.

[AfghanAnt]

While I did like the idea of a Red Hulk and the mystery of who he was at first, Loeb has proven that no matter what comic he is writing his main character is always stronger and better than anyone else's. For Rulk to do as much damage as he did to Thor is a joke. In fact, I'm not even sure why Thor was in this issue other than Loeb trying to prove to his readers just how strong Red Hulk is. I really, really hope this new character is not Doc Samson or Gen Thunderbolt because this would be a terrible development that will just complicate these characters for future writers and readers.

[Previsionary]

Since I haven't read any red hulk since I browsed issue 1...I just want to know...was anyone expecting anything different with Loeb's track record of late? I mean, of recent times, I've only seen him praised for Captain America: White #0 and that was only 6 or so comments (I havent looked in awhile). I'm just waiting on red hulk to send some character flying two states [exag] away, smack thor through a wall, and um...the mystery reveal. Coincidentally, I can already get these things (with venom) from Loeb's ultimates which is an 616 story under the guise of the ultimate characters. DOUBLE WHAMMY! HEEHAW! *turns red*

BUUUUUT...I wouldn't be surprised if JMS strikes back, metaphorically speaking, and has Thor overcome red hulk later. I doubt anyone will complain about such a thing happening. :P

[thanoson]

Does Thor transform anymore?

[herodad1]

i really dislike red hulk.you guys have been hitting things on the head with him.yeah,its his idea so everyones going to get smashed.ugh!thats what i dont like about venom.thats why i dont like wolverine as much as i did.theres got to be a limit to what a character can do.i predict our green hulk's going to come back and beat him.

[captmorgan72]

You don't "get around " the enchantment. Its not just really heavy. NOBODY who's worthy should be able to pick it up, much less use it as a croquet mallet on Odin's boy. It says so right on the side of the freaking hammer. The second thor let go of it , Rulk should have shot down toward earth like a missile, period. 

The enchantment states that only those that are worthy may lift the hammer right? It does not say that only those that are worthy may wield the hammer. In zero gravity one does not have to lift the hammer to use it, since the laws of gravity no longer apply. I know that you are going to say that Mjolnir is governed by magic and not gravity and that is true, but the enchantment does state "lift" not "wield". Loeb no doubt saw this as a great way to find the loophole in the enchantment and I think it is brilliant. Hey don't blame Loeb blame the guy that originally wrote the enchantments for Mjolnir. Loeb was being creative and you guys are bashing him for it.  :thumbdown:

[steamteck]

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The enchantment states that only those that are worthy may lift the hammer right? It does not say that only those that are worthy may wield the hammer. In zero gravity one does not have to lift the hammer to use it, since the laws of gravity no longer apply. I know that you are going to say that Mjolnir is governed by magic and not gravity and that is true, but the enchantment does state "lift" not "wield". Loeb no doubt saw this as a great way to find the loophole in the enchantment and I think it is brilliant. Hey don't blame Loeb blame the guy that originally wrote the enchantments for Mjolnir. Loeb was being creative and you guys are bashing him for it.  :thumbdown:

You would NEVER write any heroic or magic fiction EVER on my watch with that perspective. However if I had the cash I would send you to law school. Seriously I really do hope you know that's not creativity. its cheating by finding a loophole that's not really there. Wielding requires lifting. Time and time again others including green Hulk have grabbed the hammer while it was not on the ground and it smashed immediately to the ground  when they tried to lift it. Its always worked that way Loeb just changed the rules for his pet and made up a rationalization. I loathe loathe loathe the practice of showing how tough new characters are by trashing the tough veterans. It just invalidates the  new guy to me.

[thanoson]

Devil's advocate here. Has anybody tried this before in space? What planet would the hammer fall to? If you are in a weightless enviroment, you do NOT have to lift something to weild it. I could weild a gun in space and not lift it. It was a creative loophole.  However, they made him look too indestructable. Thor should have hurt him for a little bit at least. Heh, I think it's gonna be Thing and Hulk that take him down. Ares will run straight in and get punked. Wonderman is strong, but not in the league that Hulk is. Hulk and Thing have been doing this thing with each other for awhile. They will know how to beat him. BTW, why have The Human Torch there? He's useless. What they should do is have Mrs. Marvel just drain away his gamma radiation. Or call in a favor from Silver Surfer.

[USAgent]

I just read this issue as well, and like most I was disapointed greatly with this issue and the way Red Hulk is handled alltogeather.  He just went through 6 Hulk class opponents without even breaking a sweat?  (Wendigo, Abomination, She-Hulk, A-bomb, Hulk (who just beat the Marvel Universe durring WWH) and Thor).  And this Hammer debate,  How do you wield something without lifting it or holding it?  The Mjolnir should of been immoble in zero gravity, immovable alltogeather, stationary.
The only other thing that is mentioned by Thor after Red Hulk lifts the hammers is "unless in my father's absence..."

[Zippo]

I'm wondering if they'll actually make it Doc Samson in the end. It COULD be him and still make some sense. In Thunderbolts he states that all gamma-irradiated beings have an incredible rage inside them, though he's been able to suppress his own through his psychological knowledge/skill. There's enough rage in there to incapacitate a psychic who was attempting to control him by letting a fraction of it leak out. This makes it not entirely ridiculous that he could have become this through some as-yet unknown means.

Then again, the way it's being presented so far, it's looking like the Samson identity could be a red herring. Either way, there's still a lot of things that need to be revealed.

[Talavar]

This Red hulk storyline is bad, like most of Loeb's writing.  This thing with Thor is just the most recent example of it.  If you haven't read it, don't bother.

[tommyboy]

As to the whole 'zero' gravity thing, its my understanding that there is no such thing. A gravitational field extends infinitely, but diminishes with distance. Additionally, everything in the solar system is subject to the gravitational attraction of the sun. Although in space you can be 'weightless', there is no such thing as 'zero' gravity.
However, in Mr. Loeb's favour, in Avengers #122 Thor is deprived of his hammer in a weightless state in space (though that author also is confused, since they are 'in orbit', and to be in orbit you have to be affected by gravity), and Iron Man flies carrying Mjolnir, thinking "it's a good thing we're both weightless, on earth nobody but goldilocks could carry this thing". So there is predecent of a sort for the part in space, even though the precedent itself is flawed.
However it's the getting into space part that bugs me. The art shows thor hanging onto the strap as hulk jumps, thor's not holding the hammer, he's being dragged by it. The writer could have had thor hit the hulk hard enough to go into orbit, or have the hulk hit thor thus.
It's all a bit geeky, I know, if I'm prepared to accept Thunder Gods and magic hammers and gamma powered monsters, why quibble over the contents of a panel or two?

[captmorgan72]

Devil's advocate here. Has anybody tried this before in space? What planet would the hammer fall to? If you are in a weightless enviroment, you do NOT have to lift something to weild it. I could weild a gun in space and not lift it. It was a creative loophole.  However, they made him look too indestructable. Thor should have hurt him for a little bit at least. Heh, I think it's gonna be Thing and Hulk that take him down. Ares will run straight in and get punked. Wonderman is strong, but not in the league that Hulk is. Hulk and Thing have been doing this thing with each other for awhile. They will know how to beat him. BTW, why have The Human Torch there? He's useless. What they should do is have Mrs. Marvel just drain away his gamma radiation. Or call in a favor from Silver Surfer.

Finally someone who is using their head and not crying foul play about their beloved Thor! I love Thor as much as the next guy but how Rulk managed to use Mjolnir against Thor is creative, not crappy writing as many of you here are saying. Loeb was thinking outside of the box and not following the same old same old.

[herodad1]

question...what happened to his odin enhanced power.havent picked this issue up yet  but if he hit red in the face with his hammer and nothing happened whats up?thor dented caps shield with odins power boosting him up.hmmmm....

[steamteck]

Devil's advocate here. Has anybody tried this before in space? What planet would the hammer fall to? If you are in a weightless enviroment, you do NOT have to lift something to weild it. I could weild a gun in space and not lift it. It was a creative loophole.  However, they made him look too indestructable. Thor should have hurt him for a little bit at least. Heh, I think it's gonna be Thing and Hulk that take him down. Ares will run straight in and get punked. Wonderman is strong, but not in the league that Hulk is. Hulk and Thing have been doing this thing with each other for awhile. They will know how to beat him. BTW, why have The Human Torch there? He's useless. What they should do is have Mrs. Marvel just drain away his gamma radiation. Or call in a favor from Silver Surfer.

Finally someone who is using their head and not crying foul play about their beloved Thor! I love Thor as much as the next guy but how Rulk managed to use Mjolnir against Thor is creative, not crappy writing as many of you here are saying. Loeb was thinking outside of the box and not following the same old same old.

If Mjolnir had done the massive damage it should have striking Rulk as it should have and he just not shrugged it off  I might agree but Rulk is just crushing heavy hitter after heavy hitter to prove he's tough. It just not Thor, I hate when any character is nerfed to prove another is tough. especially a new one crushes all the old vets to give him his creds. It diminishes both of them. God I wish I could see some of the  "old same old' it seems all "crappy writing " these days. Thor is at least being written decently in his own comic. I do wish writers would remember Thor is 1000s of years old and not some rookie fighter. If everyone is given their due things work so much nicer. I think it was a bad idea for him to trounce green Hulk also BTW. In one issue of the Avengers where Thor became possessed and was no longer worthy the hammer tore itself  from him hand.