Marvel apes

[the_ultimate_evil]

so we're now onto the 3rd issue of this, so what everyone think, it's all right defiantly not the route i expected it to take

[Podmark]

Whats happened? Haven't really paid it any attention.

[BlueBard]

If it's anything but another dumb Marvel concept set in an alternate reality, I'll be surprised.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Grooooooaaaaaan!....Can nobody come up with a more original story idea than copying the competition?  This was done by DC not terribly long ago...Sigh.

Dana

[Podmark]

Grooooooaaaaaan!....Can nobody come up with a more original story idea than copying the competition?  This was done by DC not terribly long ago...Sigh.

Dana

Actually Marvel Apes originated at a convention when after doing Marvel Zombies fans made suggestions about what along those lines they should do next, Marvel Apes was the suggestion. So the idea didn't come from copying DC.

[The Hitman]

Actually Marvel Apes originated at a convention when after doing Marvel Zombies fans made suggestions about what along those lines they should do next, Marvel Apes was the suggestion. So the idea didn't come from copying DC.

But it DID come from a fanboy at a convention who copied DC.  :D

[the_ultimate_evil]

damn i knew there was hate for marvel, but i though people would at least read it before jumping for the throat

[Previsionary]

damn i knew there was hate for marvel, but i though people would at least read it before jumping for the throat

It's not like you gave any type of info there, bud. :P

[the_ultimate_evil]

fair point, but i didn't want to just throw plot points out in case others were reading it

[Podmark]

fair point, but i didn't want to just throw plot points out in case others were reading it

That's where the spoiler button comes in handy.

[cmdrkoenig67]

damn i knew there was hate for marvel, but i though people would at least read it before jumping for the throat

Nah...I follow characters, not companies or creators...Most of the characters I enjoy aren't being used by either DC or Marvel...And I certainly wouldn't have any interest in seeing my favorites as...Apes...Feh!

If it's good, that's fine (for those who enjoy it)...I still won't buy it.  It is still a copy of another company's idea (whether it was suggested by a fan or not is irrellevant)....And it's pretty sad that Marvel is doing it, when they know full well that it's been done before.

I know certain ideas will be used by both companies, sometimes several times over, but to me....This just looks like a blatent rip-off and really kind of pathetic. 

Had they gone the route of making their most popular heroes cats and their villains dogs (or the other way around)...That's a bit more original and interesting to me (even though, I still wouldn't be interested).

Dana

[Podmark]

damn i knew there was hate for marvel, but i though people would at least read it before jumping for the throat

I know certain ideas will be used by both companies, sometimes several times over, but to me....This just looks like a blatent rip-off and really kind of pathetic. 

I disagree, to an extent at least. This was something a group of fans wanted to see, and if there's creators at Marvel who are interested in doing it and Marvel thinks it can be successful then why not do it. Conceptually it may be a bit of a rip off but that doesn't mean execution will be.

I'm not interested in this story, but it's an out of continuity story that some people wanted to see, so why not?

[Previsionary]

Oh UE...Why must I do your job for you. I'll expect payment:

Marvel Apes:

The simple story is that marvel characters appear as apes...or primates to stay PC.

The expanded story is that the Red Ghost with his simian army is attacking some bank and the avengers stop him. That's not the main story though. The real story focuses on Gibbon who feels left out in the heroic/"villainic" world. Nothing is going his way and he basically gets no attention. One day, he volunteers for an experiment with some blonde scientist and ends up in an alternate universe where monkeys are the dominant species. Things go great at first. He helps to stop a villain, he's brought to Ape-venger tower, and even gets to meet the Cap'n...buuuut, once he sees how villains are handled when they're beyond rehabilitation, Gibbon rethinks his position on this new world. The Invaders don't make things much better either.

That's a summary of book 1 with no major spoilers. UE, ten dollars (or ten pounds from you) please. I don't know what DC did with their apes, but from what I've seen of the series, I can almost guarantee the two books don't have the same story or even the same premise outside of basic aesthetics. Us (collectively) guys can be pretty harsh with our critiquing at times even when we don't have the info in front of us to actually critique, heh. We should all hold off on that a bit more often, me thinks.

BTW, Dana, are you talking about the JLApe one shot/annuals by DC? That came out like in 1999/2000. It's not really like the idea is even original to begin with. It's a variant and I dunno why you would even hold that against Marvel when it's been done on TV, other comics, and films for ages. That's like a pretty low blow. If you're gonna condemn one, condemn every one that came after the original. That's my take on that. :P

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh UE...Why must I do your job for you. I'll expect payment:

Marvel Apes:

The simple story is that marvel characters appear as apes...or primates to stay PC.

The expanded story is that the Red Ghost with his simian army is attacking some bank and the avengers stop him. That's not the main story though. The real story focuses on Gibbon who feels left out in the heroic/"villainic" world. Nothing is going his way and he basically gets no attention. One day, he volunteers for an experiment with some blonde scientist and ends up in an alternate universe where monkeys are the dominant species. Things go great at first. He helps to stop a villain, he's brought to Ape-venger tower, and even gets to meet the Cap'n...buuuut, once he sees how villains are handled when they're beyond rehabilitation, Gibbon rethinks his position on this new world. The Invaders don't make things much better either.

That's a summary of book 1 with no major spoilers. UE, ten dollars (or ten pounds from you) please. I don't know what DC did with their apes, but from what I've seen of the series, I can almost guarantee the two books don't have the same story or even the same premise outside of basic aesthetics. Us (collectively) guys can be pretty harsh with our critiquing at times even when we don't have the info in front of us to actually critique, heh. We should all hold off on that a bit more often, me thinks.

BTW, Dana, are you talking about the JLApe one shot/annuals by DC? That came out like in 1999/2000. It's not really like the idea is even original to begin with. It's a variant and I dunno why you would even hold that against Marvel when it's been done on TV, other comics, and films for ages. That's like a pretty low blow. If you're gonna condemn one, condemn every one that came after the original. That's my take on that. :P

I don't know if I'm really condemning them for it, just disappointed that they can't seem to come up with something a bit better than this.

There is a big scoop from the JLApe storyline, though...The Gorilla/Primate/simian-related characters (Red Ghost and his Super Apes, Gibbon....Where's Gorilla Girl and Gorilla Man?) are given the spotlight and there are even simian versions of popular heroes (whether they are turned into them or are extra-dimensional counterparts)...The Marvel Apes covers show said simian heroes in team poses, reminiscent of the JLApe covers, except in Marvel's case they are rehashing (just as they did with zombies and Skrulls and God-knows-what else in the future) classic Marvel covers with Primates substituted for humans .  Maybe The Duck Avengers (from Howard's world) is next?

Dana :P

[Previsionary]

YES! DUCKVENGERS!

But seriously, as far as I'm concerned, I don't care which company used the idea first because there're only so many ideas to go around before something new and untried hits. That's not what should really matter. It's been almost ten years since that, so it's not a big deal. It's not like JLApes just happened last year, heh. But as I said, all you named was aesthetic...surface details. To really be a rip off: the tone, the setting, the characters, the voices, the expanded story, and the dialogue would have to be very similar. They're not. There's creativity in the execution; I wouldn't recommend it to ANYONE at this economic time, but the book does hold certain charms people might like. It doesn't take itself seriously at all and it does reference other things while being incredibly corny (from the samples I saw).

We always complain that the companies don't try to please or listen to their fans...well Marvel tries to please someone with an Ape story and we jump them. Us fans are so fickle, lol.

For comparison sake, I realize that Invincible by Kirkman (whom I mostly dislike as a writer) is basically his version of Spider-man (+ Superman). If I were to run around calling that a blatant rip-off, I'd be jumped and hung out to dry. Same deal with Marvel's Gravity. The creativity and originality don't come from the idea or premise to me...but from the actual things that make up the story. You can use the same ideas over and over again (as has been proven), but the actual skill and imagination using said ideas are something that can't be easily copied successfully.

*bows*