The Marvel Thread

[HarryTrotter]

Moo?Marvel Universe?Also,notice the creative team?

[Silver Shocker]

Yeah, about that.....I recently rewatched Death Note and was reminded of this during one of the eyecatches....

"Mu", as part of Buddist/Zen beliefs, is Japanese, Chinese AND Korean for "Nothingness".

I have a bad feeling about this....

Also, I know it gets said all the time, but arc fatigue.

[HarryTrotter]

Yeah, about that.....I recently rewatched Death Note and was reminded of this during one of the eyecatches....

"Mu", as part of Buddist/Zen beliefs, is Japanese, Chinese AND Korean for "Nothingness".

I have a bad feeling about this....

Also, I know it gets said all the time, but arc fatigue.

And is also a mythological lost continent.But Im guess this is just a new event.
BTW,why are Marvels teasers always lazy Photoshop templates?

See this cover?


Notice the copy/paste work there?And yes,there are three more.

[Silver Shocker]

So what's the significance of the creative team? McNiven been on all sorts of stuff. Bunn makes me think it's a Deadpool mini. Not sure what it'd be.

Wouldn't put it past Marvel to misdirect with those two letters, given what they mean to Marvel fans. Normally I'd be snarky to suggest Marvel are a bunch of nihilists who want to destroy everything, but here it might be appropriate.

Doesn't really bother me that it's a photoshop using pre-existent art. that happens all the time.

Anyway, read New Avengers and Uncanny Avengers.

New Avengers:

-Not sure what to say about them ripping off a twenty-year old Simpsons joke during a pretty dramatic story. Seems odd tone wise, though it was definitely going for the same kind of dark humor as the original bit. I felt like this issue wanted to be way more awesome and narratively satisfying than it actually was.

Spoiler

The prospect of Songbird being on a team with Hulkling and Wiccan apart from the "U.S. Avengers" is appealing to me though. Hope that goes somewhere.

Uncanny Avengers:

This was a fantastic end to a pretty darn good arc. Very satisfied with it. Art by Pepe Larraz was great. Much better than Rage of Ultron. 

Spoiler

Loved that Hank character assassination by Rememder in Rage of Ultron wasn't brought up once in this arc. It was laid on thick throughout the whole thing that Ultron's either controlling/corrupting Hank, or the real Hank is dead and Ultron is "wearing his skin" (it's arguably the good thing that the story doesn't give us a definitive answer). I'm surprised Starfox's attempt to turn Ultron good in RoU never came up at all. They completely went in the other direction. Ultron's plan in this one was actually quite chilling. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what comes of this storyline, and when Hank/Ultron appears again.

In Captain America news:

Spoiler

-Hydra Cap kills Red Ghost. Personally I don't really care about Red Ghost, and I'm pretty sure he's been dead before.
-Spencer finally brought in the new Quasar again. Figured it had to be in his Cap run.
-Bit of a tie-in with Thunderbolts with Bucky and Kovik showing up.

[HarryTrotter]

Newsrama has a theory that it stands for Marvel United,because the previous teaser was "Divided we Stand".
Well,Bunn has a very mixed record IMO.McNiven is mostly okay,but he has a bit of a problem with deadlines.But I would need more info anyway.
Funny story,but I got the feeling New Avengers were meant to channel the cinematic style of (various),but never really lives up to that.Just for reference;which Simpsons joke exactly?

[Silver Shocker]

Just for reference;which Simpsons joke exactly?

In an early Halloween special, the Comic Book Guy is walking down the street, reading an Aquaman comic (don't tell Benton!  ) saying "But Aquaman, you can't marry a woman without gills! You're from too different worlds!" (that's actually funnier in retrospect, but not for the reasons they intended). Then a meteor (or a missile, can't remember) immediately flies towards him and his final words before he dies are "Oooh, I've wasted my life!". That line was actually the signature of a member of this community back in the MyFF days.

Here, it's used in virtually the exact same gallows humor context, but without the context for why the entities in question would say they've wasted their life. Which I found made it a very pandering and lame reference indeed. Incidentally, in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man, Dan Slott also had the Living Brain utter "Why was I programmed to feel pain?!"

I forgot to mention, the same issue of NA for some reason (presumably so we know he's a bad man) has Agent Garrett say (while dissing Maria Hill) "God, I love the patriarchy". Seriously? Stop, Marvel. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Who talks like that?

[HarryTrotter]

I wazzzted my life. I remember now.
Because they worked for The Maker?Funny how some things like The-Radioactive-Man-movie episode got funnier and more relevant later on.

It was meant to be funny because nobody talks like that?But fell a bit short.Uncle Ruckus,he is not. 

[HarryTrotter]

McNiven didnt last long there.

[Talavar]

Greg Land and Cullen Bunn?  Kinda  a perfect storm there....

[HarryTrotter]

Greg Land and Cullen Bunn?  Kinda  a perfect storm there....

They had practice with Uncanny X-men.Yeah,thats how much Marvel cared.

[Silver Shocker]

LAAAAND!

They used to say there was something called "The Uncanny Curse" where for the last ten years ago or so, Uncanny would suck no matter what creative team was on it. Considering it's had the likes of Brubaker, Fraction and Gillen (whose run, IMO, was almost good) it's hard to dispute that.

[HarryTrotter]

Gillen did a good job,BUT AvX happened.Which he does manage to write around,but its obvious he had other plans.And at least a few more issues mapped out.I know I said it,but X-men spinoffs have been better then the main book in the past dozen years.Pretty much every incarnation of X-force was really good.
Brubakers Rise and Fall of ShiAr empire was good.Discounting the fact he takes a retcon hammer to Giant Size X-men #1.And is really just a prequel to War of the Kings.
Fractions run Im not that familiar with.Land was also on the art duties then?Whole San Francisko era was a bit of a filler,IMO.And Fraction gave us: Scott Summers,owner of a jet-pack.
But his Hawkeye,Iron Fist and Iron Man(up to a point) were pretty good,no denying that.
An earlier discussion,but I remembered one thing Paul Jenkins did good.Marvel Knight Inhumans.You would think thats a terrible combination,but it works out.Its the only take on the Inhumans thats really count IMO.Since it also shows the darker side of their society,and how would humans react to that,and does a pretty subtle job at using Terrigenesis as a metaphor for puberty.Its actually pretty hard to believe Jenkins wrote this.

[HarryTrotter]

So its an anthology of some kind?Also,what I said about lazy photoshoped teasers still stands.

[Talavar]

Now I'm just confused.

[spydermann93]

Well, seems Cullen Bunn is a given

Unless they start changing that, too

[BentonGrey]

Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.

[HarryTrotter]

Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.

Im sure his Lobo was way worst.Way worst.There was also Sinestro,but I didnt read that so I cant say was it any good.
On Marvel side,he does an okay job with Deadpool titles.And that's kinda it.Not really my first choice to write Marvel Universe.If MU really stands for that in this case.

Thunderbolts #4 An outbreak of Youngblood disease!Run for your lives!And so much censored swearing.Every other word is ****. How edgy.
Squadron Supreme shows up to remind everyone they killed Namor.I see this is becoming a Doctor Light thing.Just change you name to We-Killed-Namor Squadron and get it over with.And not like that's gonna stick btw.
Looking at the letters page for the past 4 issues-90% of the readers asked if Bucky and Steve are going to hook up,and other 10% thought everything about the comic is super-special-awesome.Seriously,NOBODY had anything negative to say about this?NOBODY?

X-men 92 #6 Deaths Head shows up!What more do you want from a comic? 

[HarryTrotter]

MU has a new teaser.Not worth posting,since its exactly the same as the previous 3.Only exception being that Lenlil Yu is now listed as the artist.
Bunn is scaring off artists at an alarming rate.

[crimsonquill]

The "MU" Mystery is finally revealed! It's multiple artists on a huge event!



Monsters Unleashed will be a series featuring classic Marvel monsters being introduced into new stories with all of the previously listed artists involved PLUS all alternate covers during that month will feature monsters as well.
More details coming this weekend.

- CQ

[trebean]

Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.

Im sure his Lobo was way worst.Way worst.There was also Sinestro,but I didnt read that so I cant say was it any good.
On Marvel side,he does an okay job with Deadpool titles.And that's kinda it.Not really my first choice to write Marvel Universe.If MU really stands for that in this case.

Thunderbolts #4 An outbreak of Youngblood disease!Run for your lives!And so much censored swearing.Every other word is ****. How edgy.
Squadron Supreme shows up to remind everyone they killed Namor.I see this is becoming a Doctor Light thing.Just change you name to We-Killed-Namor Squadron and get it over with.And not like that's gonna stick btw.
Looking at the letters page for the past 4 issues-90% of the readers asked if Bucky and Steve are going to hook up,and other 10% thought everything about the comic is super-special-awesome.Seriously,NOBODY had anything negative to say about this?NOBODY?

X-men 92 #6 Deaths Head shows up!What more do you want from a comic? 

Sinestro was awesome, had a cool issue where Sinestro makes Warworld his Mogo and the one where he teams up with Black Adam, and the one where he grins smugly.

[HarryTrotter]

Isnt Sinestro smug in every issue? 
Im cool with Monsters Unleashed.Im not so sure about Bunn,like I said.
Another piece of news:after Death of X and Inhumans Vs X-men;we get X-Men/Inhumans Resurrxion.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/01/a-look-inside-death-of-x-ivx-and-the-free-promotional-calendar-from-marvel/
Let me guess,they plan to turn all mutants into inhumans and thus create a legal loophole?Or just show how Inhumans are kewler because Marvel still owns the movie rights to them.Or something.
Anyhow that's 3 X-men events one right after another.Just after still going CW2 and recently finished Apocalypse Wars.Overkill?

Btw,long story short,Marvel motivated the comic-focused part of the internet to discuss direct market and its influence on new readers(the lack of them) in these past few days.Funny how everyone is saying pretty much the same things we said last week in the DC thread.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/136176-doubling-down-comics-is-burning-and-im-playing-the-fiddle.html

[HarryTrotter]

So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?
Thunderbolts do get a new artist.  And Songbird will (re)join the team.
Kaine is back for Clone Conspiracy.Told ya he survived Spider-Verse.Also Cage is co-writing it,so that gives me some hope in the event.

[trebean]

So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?
Thunderbolts do get a new artist.  And Songbird will (re)join the team.
Kaine is back for Clone Conspiracy.Told ya he survived Spider-Verse.Also Cage is co-writing it,so that gives me some hope in the event.

Oh thank god, that Liefeld-Esque Art was just the spinach in the broccoli of bad in that book, literally the only reason I'm even bothering catching up on it online is to finally find out how they got Fixer back to the current timeline. I freaking hope they don't just handwave it as "The Molecule Man did it" just like how Miles is just ok with how literally more than 75% of the people he knows are gone. Aah Songbird, damn then I guess New Avengers is really cancelled and not being written alongside USAvengers. Clone Conspiracy, man how much are they gonna reuse that idea for another event? Then again reusing events seem to be Marvel's forte. I sure hope that teased "Divided We Fall" thing is actually supposed to be about the thing in Falcon's book about how Hydra planted multiple Sleeper Agents in all the super teams AND not just another damn stupid Hero vs Hero event. You can't go a month in Marvel without Heroes beating the crap out of each other.

[daglob]

Sleeper agents in the hero teams... didn't the Skrulls already do that?

[HarryTrotter]

Well,that actually looks interesting.But it will probably turn out to be just a prequel for Guardians of Galaxy VS Mercs for Money or something along those lines.
And a bit of an old news at this point,but Marvel started their own loot crate service.Im sure that will boost their "sales" in no time.

[Silver Shocker]

So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?

Actually, there was a Cap miniseries a few years ago also called "Hail Hydra". So a lot of Captain America Hail Hydra out there. The second trade of Spencer's arc could be called Hail Hydra vol. 2. I've seen that before, and it is an ongoing storyline.

I did see that "Year of Marvels" Infnite Comics storyline before, but I'm pretty sure it's an anthology series with a different character or characters in every issue. The first issue focused on Spider-Man for example.

[HarryTrotter]

I meant that this team up of Rocket and Tippy Toe looks interesting.

[HarryTrotter]

I kinda thought Monsters Unleashed would be a series or an anthology,but its an event.
Monsters invade Marvel Earth,heroes have to fight them on individual basis in their own books,and so on.Yeah,nothing like that Batman event going on.
At least it doesnt count like heroes  fighting heroes,right?

[HarryTrotter]

Once again,Marvel Previews
-Bunch of IvX stuff
-Spiderman/Deadpool #12 is another filler issue
-X-men '92 end with #10.For once,I hope thats just a renumbering
-Deadpool Back in Black
-Zub and Malin will not leave Thunderbolts after all #UpYoursMarvel
-Doctor Stange/Punisher series.Inspired by a SW tie-in,I guess.But its still a weird team up.
Foolkiller looks interesting,I guess?

[Silver Shocker]

-Spiderman/Deadpool #12 is another filler issue

Yeah, this bugs me. They supposedly need to keep doing this to "give Kelly and Mcguinness enough time to do their storyline". But I call bullcrap. No other book that I'm aware of does this. If it's that hard to get Kelly and McGuinness to get the book out on time, get a fill-in artist. I don't take such a statement lightly, because I really like Mcguinness' art, but having the story come on on a regular basis is more important. I think I would say that about any book, by any creative team.

-Zub and Malin will not leave Thunderbolts after all #UpYoursMarvel

Yeah, I was going to comment on that. Little disappointing that Malin's staying on as artist, but oh well. I was never under the impression that Zub was leaving. Anyway, I don't have as much of a problem with Zub, he's not great but I don't think he's terrible.

Speaking of T-Bolts, I just read the latest issue, and I've got a few things to say about it:

-There wasn't a lot of plot to it. Mostly a fight scene and some stuff with Bucky. Not much of a T-Bolts issue.
-I found it noticeable in both this issue and the last (I meant to comment on it last issue) that Malin is, like the 90's artist he emulates, a very poor storyteller.
-The issue features an image of the Death of Captain America, and it looks pretty bad drawn by Malin.
-In the letters page someone asks about Fixer's time travel shenanigans and the editor says issue #6 will have the answers. Good to hear.