Freedom United - the end

[cmdrkoenig67]

Also, adding to what was already a betrayal from IPS, there was a healthy contingent of the 'you should have knowns' from various community members.  These judgments were not necessary and for the most part have been way off base.  I could go on a lot more... but I'm not because it won't serve a point.  Whats been said has been said... if you missed it.. then maybe you're better off in ignorant bliss.

I knew. I would have never thought of asking someone with IPS's attitude to host something that I put a lot of hard work and effort into especially right after he was banned from a forum that had to do with what I was working on. IPS has a history of getting back at those that he thinks have wronged him.

Well see...That's where quite a few folks got it wrong, TMX....Vertex set up the United forum before IPS was banned...He didn't know what was coming.

I knew his banning wasn't going to be any different. When the FF forums came back up and I heard that Vertex was trying to drop IPS from his site, I knew that this still wouldn't be the end of 'ol IPS and I told some people this via PM. So here we are. It's obvious now he isn't going to stop. What's the next step we take?

We forge ahead, full speed.

Dana

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I would guess his aim is now to be the one who single-handedly wiped out the FF community because he has nothing else to lose.

I would think it more likely that he wants to control the main FF forum so his standards are what goes.

However, FUnited has a closed indefinitely notice right now, so maybe that isn't quite true.

EDIT:  Nope, it's gone completely, so I was wrong there.

[GhostMachine]

I still think that FU is a good idea.  As I said before, I'd be more than willing to host such a thing, or a new version, no strings attached.

As for his launching another attack on FR, how?  He has no claim to anything further.

Not quite sure it didn't make much sense to me, but something about how they didn't get rid of material but hid it. Basically he's out to try to remove FR's ability to host FF material altogether. His ultimate goal apparently is to force everyone away from FR to either a new forum or to his.

Definitely wouldn't be to his. If he thinks he's going to poison things here then expect everyone to migrate to someplace where's he's in charge - let alone posting - then he's not just being petty, he's lost his mind.

[harvey danger]

i just can not see this happening, its got to be a bad dream
i think ill go back to bed

[Volsung]

UPDATE:
Also I hear from IPS he's launching another attack to Lunar pages trying to shut FR down.

O_o It's beyond belief...
In and of itself ,that's not very healthy to be driven by resentment like this.
I've been hurt deeply by 'so called' friends twice during different period and I can tell rancour can easely poison your every day life.
Freedom force(s) are rare games ,only known by a few. (FFVTTR is still avalaible in most shops , but the european version was so badly done that it's not compatible with mods and you can't even add some custom meshes without some handling that casual gamers can never guess. It scare away players...)
What I mean is the fact that FF community is rare like endangered species
And, although he obviously love that game he's actually killing his own kind...

I remember of the crisis of infinite posts and its quiet conclusion.
But I missed some posts, since I never knew why and when Ips was banned.

By the way Vertex, your dream is not bound to a specific url. You can 'build again' somewhere esle. You got the proof that no one is charging you for what happened.

[TaskMasterX]

Well see...That's where quite a few folks got it wrong, TMX....Vertex set up the United forum before IPS was banned...He didn't know what was coming.
Dana

Yes, but Vertex told me that the existence of FU gave IPS the incentive to fight the Argument he did against BG's mod, here at FR. It was IPS's plan all along to tear down FR so that people would look at FU as alternate place to hang out. Vertex has been very vocal about the things he dislikes about FR and how those dislikes were the motivation to start his new forum. And even though Vertex set up the forums before IPS was banned, it's common sense to find another host for your forum before you make your new forum known at another forum that your host was banned from two days after he was banned.

[Tomato]

TMX... I hate to be rude here, but having been on FU after IPS got banned, the only two threads I saw him contributing to were his own skin thread and the thread AA started to vent his frustrations about what happened on FR. He was not a moderator, he made no executive decisions at any point as far as I could tell. And aside from making some rediculous anti-FR statements on the latter board(which, to be fair, would support your theory that he did this to undermine FR) he didn't even go into any of his usual politics. Hell, he left the boards shortly after the whole thing blew up, apparently to shut them down, the little... *cough*

As I see it, your entire argument is "Well, he hosted it." Because, as we all know, the host automatically mind controls everyone on the staff. So if Cat does something insanely vindictive, TUE and Podmark must be evil conspirators. After all, cat's the one paying for their servers. Or if Renegade does something horrific, C6 must be in on it.

I'm not saying I think Vertex is comfy cozy with all of FR's admins. Nor do I think IPS didn't have support from the mod staff on FU when he was perma-banned on FR. Hell, I wouldn't even say I didn't have some sympathy (and might have even supported him) for him, even though what I heard from Prem put me on tommy and Benton's side. But all this... Grah, I don't think there's even an ounce of sympathy left for him in me. I even said some things about him to to Prem I didn't think myself even capable of thinking about. But that's just it, this was IPS, not Vertex, and all your little conspiracy does is further damage the community.

Vertex, I know we're not friends or anything, but know that I personally would love to have FU back up. A different layout would be nice maybe, but still, the board was nice.

[Zapow]

TMX, please drop it. There is nothing productive to come from your posts.

[House Quake]

... Vertex told me that the existence of FU gave IPS the incentive to fight the Argument he did against BG's mod, here at FR. It was IPS's plan all along to tear down FR so that people would look at FU as alternate place to hang out. Vertex has been very vocal about the things he dislikes about FR and how those dislikes were the motivation to start his new forum. And even though Vertex set up the forums before IPS was banned, it's common sense to find another host for your forum before you make your new forum known at another forum that your host was banned from two days after he was banned.

You really need to use some 'common sense' and just leave it alone.  All you have succeeded in doing is to continually pour lighter fluid onto the fire with your accusations and speculations.  In your quest to some how prove you were 'right'... you have aided in the spread of mis-information.  You are drawing conclusions based more on your own speculations and and less on facts.  And then spreading this rhetoric and exasperating the problem... as if it needed it.

You keep crossing Vertex's motivations with IPS'... and that simply isn't fair.  MANY people have been banned from FR in the past and not resorted to what IPS did. I can think of at least one situation which involved persons who had been banned or at the very least had become community pariahs, who had their own forums... where you were a regular at yourself.

But I should thank you for proving my point.

[BentonGrey]

TMX, please drop it. There is nothing productive to come from your posts.

I agree.  I think that we should stop letting the forum's life revolve around Mr. Drama.  We're only feeding his ego, after all.  Let's emulate Londoners from the Blitz, and just get on with "business as usual."

[Johnny Patches]

off the subject a bit not really tho
question please be honest as possible
now IF FU was to get back on there feet
with a laid back person to host them
with just the love of the game only in mind
to make it as right as possible with out you know who anywhere near it
funny i cant even remember his name ..see how that works guys
would this be a good move in the direction for freedom?
how would everyone feel ?

[Figure Fan]

I am totally out of the loop regarding the behind the scenes work of FR, but, if something did happen to the site, will someone be able to contact members through e-mail or IM to let them know of a possible new forum? This is obviously a worst case scenario, but still..

Just wondering.

[cripp12]

I am totally out of the loop regarding the behind the scenes work of FR, but, if something did happen to the site, will someone be able to contact members through e-mail or IM to let them know of a possible new forum? This is obviously a worst case scenario, but still..

Just wondering.

good point and cant you just rename it .com if something should happen.

[Tomato]

http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=49697.0

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

good point and cant you just rename it .com if something should happen.

You've got it backwards.  The hosting is the problem, not the domain name.

[Outcast]

Sorry to hear this Vertex. I believe you had the best of intentions when you made the new forum. Personally, it makes me happy to see more and more sites dedicated to Freedom Force. But to tell you the truth, I had my doubts as to why another freedom force forum was actually needed. To me, it seemed like it would be dividing the FF community. With the exception of the Thunderdome, the freedom to say almost anything you want (like foul languages) , and some adult ( ) topics (not really a big fan of those 3), content was pretty much similar to the Freedom Force forums here at FR. Nevertheless i still joined, curious to see how different things would be there. I think things were doing pretty ok up until one of the members (or founding members) there decided to attack FR. FR was then forced to temporarily close the Freedom Force forums while deciding what to do next. This was a large blow to the FF community as a whole and well your forum was part of that community.

It's sad. I don't know why IPS decided to resort to that kind of retaliation. I didn't even know he was banned when he stopped posting here at FR. I mean he was still a member there in your new forum, where he could still post his work and have contact with some of the active Freedom Force modding community, I just don't see why he needed to attack FR. He could have just made another identity here in FR right?

Well I think this whole thing has made some if not a majority of us weary. So i guess i could understand what you guys must be going through. Even though i believe we shouldn't let anyone or anything affect us in pursuing our dreams (in your case, meshing would be my guess ), i do believe there's a time to play and there's a time to rest. Do whatever feels right to you sir. I can only wish you the best of luck.

I kinda agree with the mods here. There is really nothing to gain from further personal attacks against one another. (Even against IPS.) I can only hope that IPS realizes that he will only be hurting himself and his friends if he continues in his quest for revenge. 

[Vertex]

  Honestly as to why IPS chose to attack FR, I don't think anyone can say for sure but my opinion is that it's all about pay back and hurt. The FF community has always been very much like a family to many including IPS and he's hurt and furious that he was kicked out. I think he expected everyone to rise up and challenge his cause and fight for him to stay a member. I also think he hoped FU would give him a second chance at belonging... but then wasn't satisfied by how well it was doing. I think in a very twisted way he thought attacking FR would gain him two things. He hoped it would take the community out of the Titans hands and also drive people to FU where he would belong again.
  IPS just doesn't get you can't force people to accept you, noone likes being pushed in any direction and he's a pusher. I can't claim to understand the type of mentality that feels it's okay to do absolutely anything to do what you think is needed. If he really felt he needed to lash out, (which he didn't) the least he could have done was attack directly those he felt wronged him. However, I think IPS believes we all did in not supporting him and fighting along side him. I disagree with what he did, how he did it, and even why he did it. At this point the guy says he's not a part of this community anymore yet is still launching attack after attack in retaliation for being kicked out, if that doesn't show how blindly he's lashing out.. well I'm not sure anything can convince him to see reason till he gets this out of his system.

[Zapow]

He could have just made another identity here in FR right?

That's a big no no. Trying to sneak back into FR after being suspended/banned just cements for us your suspension/banning.

We rarely perma-ban anyone. There are people who were banned at one time with full forum access now. The difference is attitude and behavior. If someone is banned but during their time away can prove to us they can be a valuable member of the community and are willing to follow our rules, we are willing to reconsider a ban.

ips had a chance to do just that with Freedom United. Instead he decided to use FU (the irony of those initials are not lost on me) as a platform to attack FR and the entire community.

[GhostMachine]

If IPS does try something, can't the hosts just be notified that its a case of someone who was banned -with exactly why they were banned explained to the hosts - trying to get payback rather than accepting his punishment and moving on? In other words, destroy any credibility he may think he has with them?

Also, would it be possible to add an Ignore function to the board, if there isn't already one?

[Jakew]

After reading some of IPS' comments on AA's thread in Freedom United, I can honestly say that IPS appears to be a bit unbalanced/upset/whatever the polite word for "in a weird place, mentally".

I think its a bit much to expect him to act logically, in regards to his intentions towards this forum.

I also read a few comments he'd made about his personal life recently on Freedom United (losing work, getting dumped by his boyfriend), which I personally couldn't really care less about, but may be a contributing factor to his, um, rather obsessive "battle" with the Freedom Reborn forum.

I'm not making excuses for him (never liked the guy) ... but perhaps his harassment of this forum will end once he's sorted himself out IRL.

[Voltimax]

It's a shame that FU is no more, for the short time I was registered, I thought it was a nice alternative. It was nice to be able to "cut loose" and really express myself. I for one don't think it would have caused a divide within the community, that's an absurd suggestion. It would have been no different to when we had the NPI forum.

Thank you for the effort Vertex, it was very much appreciated.