The Marvel Thread

[JeyNyce]

I don't even think of it as killing and rebirth anymore, it more of a "Let change this whole character around and once we're done, we'll reboot him"

[spydermann93]

So if anyone missed it, Marvel is killing of Wolverine in september. According to Charles Soule, the tittle (Death of Wolverine) is not figurative, Logan is really dying at the end of the arc.
Interesting article here
http://www.newsarama.com/20986-c2e2-2014-yes-wolverine-is-really-dying-soule-promises.html

I like the premise of Wolverine's foes coming after him because he doesn't have his healing factor anymore, and him having to adapt his fighting style since he needs to be more careful now.

My main problem is that the whole death and rebirth thing has been done way too many times before (by both Marvel and DC). You get a sales boost for the issues in which the character dies and for the brand new #1 when he comes back. It's getting really hard to care for things like these, aside from the fact that you won't be reading about your favorite character for a year or two when he inevitably comes back.

Still like I said, its an interesting premise for Wolverine, and I hope it ends up being a fun story, eventhough its only a matter of time before they bring him back.

Yeah, it really does get hard to become involved in these stories as 99% of the time, the hero always comes back (R.I.P., Thunderbird I).

[SickAlice]

Death in the Marvel Universe (conceptually not the character of course) is more a character steps off to another plane of existence/reality/dimension. Just ask Nightcrawler. Or Wolverine, Puck and Sabretooth considering they all recently died and went to Hell for a bit then sort of just got tired of it and walked out. I think it's corny that characters can get sent, or sentenced to afterlife realms that they normally just walked in and out of by their own volition in the first place and pretty much any other character can. " Oh Wolverine's dead? Hey guys, want to go on a field trip and go visit him, maybe bring him a six pack or something? " I remember his first (?) death as well in the Twelve, though revealed to be a Skrull and Wolverine had become a Horseman (still want to make this skin for FFVTTR sometime). Then just stopped being a horseman because he wasn't really feeling it. Yeah death has no meaning in comics, it makes the reading experience a little easier to just accept that as it is. Like I said personally just for where they can go with it I actually think a Wolverine death is long overdue and if played right can make for some interesting stories. Wolverine Goes To Hell wasn't half bad, even if a bit overbaked. Likewise that's another one guaranteed to heat fanrage to the point of atomic explosion. Recall when Frank Castle died (I mean the Dark Reign time, not the one before it), and Wolverine's a bit more popular than that. It'll probably be closer to the lashing out we saw over the Red Hulk, which I think was more due to that they removed the core Green Hulk character than introduced a new one (Spider-man saw the same effect when they removed Peter from the equation. I also think this is part of why the Red She-Hulk series failed, due to Jen not being in the picture). Personally it's a story I'm looking fore ward to reading, but not excited for adding to that overall feeling I'm having. Mainly because it's a cliche concept that's beaten to death. Likewise aside Nightcrawler and that Wolverine himself went through this already just prior to Schism, I haven't been able to feel the whole " lost my healing factor, can die now " thing since the same story ran in Deadpool before NOW! And erm, 100% Thunderbird did in fact come back, more than once I think (speaking for Chaos War that I recall, and I'm pretty sure Necrosha right after it (it was a good read though). Like I said, never really death more the character is just hanging out somewhere else. Jean Grey is a perfect example. She's not dead, nor never was, just in the White Room or whatever.

* I thought about the notion of " rebooting " Wolverine's character a little more and thinking of how convuluted his character and history are, especially off recent events this may actually be a good move if all else to bring the various threads hanging from him to a conclusion and allow him to move foreward as a character.

[Podmark]

It is disappointing how things have gotten with deaths and resurrections but ultimately I try to judge the stories by themselves. Still not that interested in Wolverine's death storyline, but I am more interested in how it might affect the books I am reading like Wolverine and the X-Men and Uncanny Avengers.

I just hope that if it's a legit death, not a magical or ambiguous one, that they find a real good way to bring him back or even better live with him dead for a long time.

[bat1987]

It is disappointing how things have gotten with deaths and resurrections but ultimately I try to judge the stories by themselves. Still not that interested in Wolverine's death storyline, but I am more interested in how it might affect the books I am reading like Wolverine and the X-Men and Uncanny Avengers.

I just hope that if it's a legit death, not a magical or ambiguous one, that they find a real good way to bring him back or even better live with him dead for a long time.

With time I learned to be open minded about things like this. More often than not we got good stories that followed character's "death". Aftermath of Cap's death was really well done and Bucky Cap was a great read while it lasted, Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was great fun while Bruce was gone (was super ticked when they removed Bruce, but came around once i saw the story potential), more recently Doc Ock as Spidey was a blast.

So as long as they do something worthwile with the aftermath, I'm more than OK with this. Whether there's gonna be a new Wolverine or not remains to be seen.

[JeyNyce]

If we go with that theory, then who would replace Logan? X-23? A clone or an Android that thinks he's Logan?

[Podmark]

With time I learned to be open minded about things like this. More often than not we got good stories that followed character's "death". Aftermath of Cap's death was really well done and Bucky Cap was a great read while it lasted, Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was great fun while Bruce was gone (was super ticked when they removed Bruce, but came around once i saw the story potential), more recently Doc Ock as Spidey was a blast.

Agreed. That's the view I try to have as well.

[SickAlice]

Forgive me for putting this in the mix but its just been ticking in my mind. I am as excited as anyone for the new X-Men movie. Seeing the Sentinels in a live action film is a childhood dream come true, no matter how it comes off in real time. Note, I still live in Narnia so this will happen much later for me than it will for most of you. That said I'm watching an advert for the film on Dish and this happens:

" I'm a princess. What are you? "
" I'm the Wolverine. "

Phew! Did someone break wind? It seems like the room just cleared out. I dunno but I think that may be a confirmed shark jump for the Ol' Knucklehead and completely warrant a character death, imo.

Speaking of Dish I was flipping through the pay channels, saw a film titled " Gambit " and was disappointing to find it was not a movie about Remy.

[BentonGrey]

SA, I had the same reaction to seeing that Gambit movie title.

As for Wolverine's death...blah.  This will last all of about five minutes.  He's still a gravy train for Marvel.  I wonder how this will affect the 125 teams he's on.  Of course, it's been a LONG time since I cared about Wolverine, so bah.

[Deaths Jester]

Didn't they already do this once with Wolvie?  As in when he lost his adamantium and hsi healing factor went to crap then?  Geh...repeats....

[SickAlice]

Wolverine has such a messed up sense of grief. He kills all his kids that he never knew he had accidentally in a fit of rage (in retrospect he was probably in shock when he considered how much back child support he owed), goes into grief mode and off the grid. Get's mad at Cyclops for child endangerment as a result, breaks up the X-Men and unified mutant race and goes off to become a teacher where he can provide a safe environment for children. Decides to constantly endanger said children to teach them to be safe (over the whole killed his kids thing at this point, living life to it's fullest by gambling and drinking), kills his last kid (I think) Daken in a fit of rage, goes into guilt mode and off the grid, at least in some books, forgets he even cared, loses his powers and metal, goes in grief mode and off the grid, quits the X-Men and school, at least in some books. Yet doesn't seem to care that he destroyed time itself recently in a fit of rage. Every time it's brought up he doesn't even say anything. " My bad. ". " Hey Wolverine? What are going to do about the space time problem? The multiverse is all screwed up, the universe is mad at us, we can't even send the classic X-Men home." " Huh, sorry I'll get back to you when I'm done being depressed about about wearing this armor. mans gotta have his priorities! " ...lol. I just don't know anymore.

I read Amazing Spider-Man #1
Good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbjhl-c3lw

[SickAlice]

I had a nightmare last night that Skin from Generation X had an ongoing Marvel Now! book. That wasn't the nightmare, more of something that happened in the prologue.

[BlueBard]

As for Wolverine's death...blah.  This will last all of about five minutes.  He's still a gravy train for Marvel.  I wonder how this will affect the 125 teams he's on.  Of course, it's been a LONG time since I cared about Wolverine, so bah.

See, if they really wanted to shock and awe, they wouldn't come out and telegraph the fact that they're "killing him off".  It's a PR stunt, like pretty much every other Marvel death/retcon over the last few years.  This is just about riling up a different set of fans.

I think I have to blame the "Death of Superman" story, in a small way.  That showed how it was possible to shake up the status quo for an iconic character and make him relevant (and profitable!) again.  It wasn't the first (or worst) time a comic book character apparently died, nor the last, but it had a ripple effect.  In 2014, the Death/Rebirth theme in comics has been robbed of its' gravitas because it's been overused and cheapened.

When did they ever stop making Wolverine relevant?  He's in freaking everything.  They'd put him in Avengers if Fox didn't have the rights.  (j/k, but there's a grain of truth there.) 

Everybody with any experience with Marvel already knows they're not about to kill one of their golden geese, at least not permanently.  Worse, when they do bring him back, they're going to continue to make really weird changes to the character before they 'fix' him.

When will Marvel and DC learn that they can't make things "un-happen" and you can't ever really fix continuity problems?

I think Wolverine would be a lot more interesting if they simply decided to lose the nigh-immortal healing factor permanently or semi-permanently, and let him face the world like that.  He'd still need to keep the claws somehow, and maybe his enhanced senses, but he doesn't need the healing factor.  The character was never really about that.  It was always about taming the wild animal within.  And about the claws.

[Tomato]

Except even in that instance, while Superman's death DID boost sales for the death and resurrection period, sales tanked shortly after. Fans who didn't yet know better felt betrayed and lied to by the whole mess, and it took years for the Superman books to recover from the whole ordeal. On the whole, DC might have made money in the short term, but it backfired in the long term.

I'm not saying this will have nearly the same impact (most comic fans know this is a gimmick, so I doubt it will impact sales very much on the positive or negative) but it really doesn't do anything either. A "good" character death is one that you can tell good stories about... Batman's death allowed for you to tell good stories about Dick Grayson under the cowl, and about what the entire bat family does in the wake of his death. For Wolverine? He's apparently died so many times by now that, for the X-men, this is a tuesday.

[SickAlice]

Wolverine/X-Men

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In it's defense I think the current Wolverine volume is a decent read. It's a straight forward Wolverine story as well as an X-Men one and I think I'm pretty picky about both. I like many of the X-titles currently. While not completely original I feel the current status quo is refreshing at least. X-Factor is my favorite right now, X-Force the least.

Amazing Spider-man

Spoiler

I think that the character Panda-mania and Silk are one in the same. I started working on a skin when the first issue came out but halted it since I think it's going to be a variant for another mesh. The hair and body type are a match and it seems like the kind of clue Slott would leave in one of his books. Overall this series delivers and I'm not let down in the least. I think I'm also going to end up being right in seeing Ana attempt to resurrect Octavius in the future.

Original Sin

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Not terrible but not terribly interesting thus far. It reads out the gate like most modern events. Many different select characters are hodgepodged into a team despite some of them having any reason not to be there. Much set-up and regarding an unknown variable in the Marvel Universe though this time it's upfront. I don't think Nick Fury Sr. being in the book is just for kicks either. I wouldn't doubt if both the " mystery boss " has a relation to his character if not the whole plot. Marvel announced at C2E2 that Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D. series would be in print again soon. I think it's probable that this series may be related to past issue events there.

[HarryTrotter]

Just picked up the original Thunderbolts.Best Marvel comic ever IMO.

[Podmark]

Yeah the original Busiek/Nicieza Thunderbolts run is great stuff, highly recommended.

[HarryTrotter]

^Even when I knew it,the reveal still caught me by suprise.
There powers are vaguely defined.
So what is Jolts power anyway?Electricity?

[Silver Shocker]

IIRC originally Jolt had augmented physical traits (vaguely like Captain America, I suppose). After she was shot by the new-at-the-time Scourge (and MAN that makes me feel old. There have been a LOT of Scourges!), she came back in an electrical energy form.

While we're talking T-Bolts, yeah, T-Bolts kicked butt. Fixer was a favorite of mine, though in the later years I became a huge fan of Ghost (who I think totally deserves his own one-shot or miniseries. Make it happen Marvel!). I admit I did grow a fondness for later incarnations such as DiggleBolts and Parker Bolts was not without its moments, but I've really dropped off it since then. I dropped it after it was renamed Dark Avengers and wrote out Songbird and the others (speaking of which, Songbird, and Atlas need to show up again. Make it happen Marvel! Mach is already present in the awesome Superior Foes of Spider-Man, so good for him!) I never tried Way Bolts but to be honest my interest in that one has always been pretty truncated (though Deadpool and Agent Venom were a incentive). Maybe one day.

[HarryTrotter]

Some awessome moments there.Ghost rider reaveals he made a few movies,but they all sucked 

[Silver Shocker]

Heh. Cute.

[HarryTrotter]

Also Zemo watched Animal House,but he was rooting for the dean.

[Silver Shocker]

Oh man, I remember that. That takes me back. So many good lines in that comic.

[HarryTrotter]

Best Marvel comic EVER.

[trebean]

Introducing.......









THE SUPERIOR AVENGERS!!

[BentonGrey]

Nice piece of art, but who are the girl with the sword and the new Cap?

[DrMike2000]

Sam Wilson (the Falcon) has been asked to fill in after Steve Rogers had the super-soldier serum drained from his body.

The woman with the sword is Angela, originally from Spawn, now hanging around with the Guardians of the Galaxy, and I think Thor and Loki's sister?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_(comics)

[spydermann93]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_(comics)

Yep.  Original Sin revealed that there was once a Tenth Realm to Asgardian mythos that was inhabited by Angels.  The Angels fought the Asgardians and took Odin and Frigga's daughter.  Odin sealed off that realm from Asgard in shame, I guess, and he never told Thor and Loki about her.

[bat1987]

Shake ups are OK and all, but didn't Steve just recently return as Cap? I think its way too soon to do it again. Falcon makes sense as a replacement but they did a good Cap replacement story with Bucky. Sam is a different character from Bucky that's for sure, and this could prove to be interesting, but I think they should have waited a few years.

[JeyNyce]

If you've been reading Original Sin, the same thing that's happen with Cap is happening with Nick Fury as well, but Steve is still Cap in the Original Sin comic.......Go figure that one out!