The Marvel Thread

[Silver Shocker]

No X-Men titles *smh* It never should have gotten this bad...

Incidentally, that Death of X cover? ****ing despicable. X-Men bodies piled as far as the eye can see in what had to be an intentional reference to the holocaust. (Once again, Jewish creators) While the Inhumans are frolicking and happy without a care in the world. This IS marvel giving a middle finger to the fans. Pure and simple. I'm glad I haven't been buying a single X title since All New Marvel Now.

Spade, we already talked about U.S. Avengers like a week ago or so. The cover art was shown when they announced the book. Did you forget?

[HarryTrotter]

No,just that the previews reminded me how stupid the retool is.And I think its worth repeating  that Red Hulk has a mustache now.
I not that forgetful.Yet. XD
General development seems to be villains and anti-heroes getting their own books.I guess Bullseye will be in season 3 of Daredevil if hes got an ongoing now.

[Talavar]

Apparently there are X-men titles coming, they're just being mum about them at the moment, presumably waiting for details from/in Death of X.  Several X title writers confirmed as much on twitter, only for the tweets to get deleted later.

[daglob]

No,just that the previews reminded me how stupid the retool is.And I think its worth repeating  that Red Hulk has a mustache now.
I not that forgetful.Yet. XD
General development seems to be villains and anti-heroes getting their own books.I guess Bullseye will be in season 3 of Daredevil if hes got an ongoing now.

Yeah, I was wondering why it seemed like a lot of the bad guys had comics. If asked, the creators would probably say something like "Oh, they aren't the heroes; it's showing how bad they are." They are the protagonists, though. A little (okay, a LOT) of that happens with Fu Manchu; while you don't want him to win, people read the books to see what skullduggery he was up to this time. The series could (and did) get along without Dennis Nayland Smith just fine. And don't get me started on Freddy Kreuger.

Fredrick Wertham would either be appalled or feel vindicated.

[HarryTrotter]

I imagine Wertham would be appalled about a lot of current trends.

We all cheered for the villains at one point or another. They get to have all the fun. 

[Deaths Jester]

This was something I said on G+ to someone who had posted about Cap being all Hail Hydra and I think it pretty much sums up how the comic book industry, esp Marvel, is looking at the moment.  Definitely reminds me of the time for sure:

Either way, the comic scene is looking alot like it did in the Ninties for both companies. Poor due to too many large convaluted, poorly thought out, universe wide events, one right after each other) overseen by a small group of writers (Marvel: Civil War, Secret War, Thanos' Invasion, Inhumanity, ect; DC: Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Flashpoint, New 52, ect).

That's what started this whole thing rolling and it just won't stop until they start to really lose customers, like they did in the 90s. And that is all I'm saying about the comics cause I'm not really reading the current batch of stuff and my money doesn't go to the companies any more (the issues I do buy are back issues that I buy from places like Half-Priced Books and such).

[Talavar]

Another way comics are like the 90s right now: how well they're selling.  June was the biggest sales month in the comic book industry in nearly 20 years http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/june-comics-sales-2016.html#comments

As the article mentions, it's still not the early 90s heyday of comic book speculation, but still interesting to see.

[daglob]

Like DJ, I seldom if ever buy newsstand comics anymore (except for Future Quest). I get old, musty, Silver Age comics, or Showcase Presents, or Marvel Essentials, or download REALLY old comics from defunct publishers from a couple of sites out there. When I do skins of more-or-less contemporary characters, I look them up, and am often dismayed (we'll use that work) at the complicated, silly, sometimes STOOPID, arcane, contradictory, and convoluted histories some characters I used to read have now. At one time DC said that the whole multiverse things kept new readers away from their books, thus we got a Crisis. Then a Zero Hour, then...

What I read here, as well as what I read on other sites, does NOT make me want to read most of what is out there now. The care package Benton sent me was the most contemporary comics I've read in years. And now I read that there is a new Doom Patrol. The way I feel about this reminds me of something one of my friend's mother said about Elvis "I just wish they would let that poor man stay dead." And I realize this statement belong on the DC forum, but the sentiment applies to both Marvel and DC. They make decisions with consequences that can be felt throughout the company, and if (or when) sales don't rise, or peak, or hold steady, it seems they try some other stunt.

[HarryTrotter]

I havent really seen anyone who was excited about Gerard Ways Doom Patrol.Funny how that worked out.
A lot of people pointed out Marvel is doing the same things they did in the 90's.Events,variant covers...same things that led to the crash of 96's.
Due to the sales model itself,its hard to tell how many copies make it to actual readers.We know how many were ordered by retailers,which is a bit of a bloted number.Sales are up,but the readership has probably never been smaller.

[Silver Shocker]

Can't speak for all retailers, but at my local comic book store, the guy who runs it said he gets nailed by these big event books. Buy too few copies, and not all of the customers get it (Axis). Buy too much, and you've got excess comics (Convergence). He's said it's hard to gauge how many people are going to buy the big event books at his store so he doesn't know how many to order. He tries to keep up on them so he knows what the stories in like in case that'll help him get a sense of how many people are going to want to read this. As such, he says he read EVERY Convergence book, which he didn't enjoy, partly because he didn't like the event, partly because it replaced DC's entire line, and partly because reading all of the book meant reading a lot of material that covered the same ground.

[HarryTrotter]

Somebody else probably got stuck with a bunch of Secret Wars tie-ins,or Civil War 2 #1 copies.
Another interesting piece of trivia I saw a while back is that digital comics still sell a lot less then physical copies.Force of habit,belief in paper copies,piracy,IDK,but seems like digital readership isn't really all that big.

[crimsonquill]

Another interesting piece of trivia I saw a while back is that digital comics still sell a lot less then physical copies.Force of habit,belief in paper copies,piracy,IDK,but seems like digital readership isn't really all that big.

Digital Comics are going to be the future. There is no question there. But it's the same debate of folks who read eBooks and those who enjoy the experience of holding and reading that hardback or paperback. There is lots of folks who have iPads, Kindles, and Android devices that read books more then ever before because of the convenience of downloading and using it on a plane or waiting room or whatever when they left their paperback at home. Comic fans and Longboxes are a bit of a tradition among the collectors and it's usually passed from the parents to the kids. Those huge collections are so hard to protect and transport around and something like a fire or weather disaster can wipe them out especially when all you can grab is your portable hardware (laptop, phone, pad, and a grab bag) but no time to pull out those 5 longboxes in the bedroom or storage area. Most of the comic lovers right now are investing in the Marvel Movies and TV shows because it's a whole new world build for fans and new viewers (some movies hit more then others) but you don't have a huge amount of storyline to make sense of. Least not compared to a Marvel Chronology right now that could fill a Wikipedia or a phone book size Encyclopedia. 10 years from now the MCU probably will get that massive but right now it all fits on a medium size bookshelf in Blu-Ray cases (including the collected TV and Netflix shows). I have more friends who pick up the comics that tie into the movies usually because they have characters on the covers pulled from the movie designs.

It's why ALOT of the story arcs coming will be setting storylines of new legacy characters who will take over for the major movie heroes as their contracts end. You will see trade paperbacks in stores that push older characters finally appearing in the movies and new story arcs in series that might seed heroes to come. X-Men and mutants in comics are becoming the punished puppy left in the dog house thanks to FOX and DISNEY not getting along. It's the suits dealing with the rights issues telling the editors who they can't use and then they dump that news on the writers/artists. I really doubt the X-Men Bullpen was thrilled with being told that Inhumans were becoming the "enhanced" folks of the MCU when they were mostly an offworld group of half-human people that didn't even have the same issues that mutants have in that universe. To long term Marvel fans it just doesn't make sense. Fans of the MCU were introduced to these enhanced people caused by fish oil pills and the Royal Family from that "lost civilization" is pushed way way into Phase Four right now. All of the mythology will be simplified down and the classic Inhuman family will get modernized and whole new looks which fit the movies and probably revamped down the line in the comics as well.

I'm still expecting to hear that the X-Men Universe will be forever changed by some huge story arc that separates them into a pocket universe separated from the main comics. Marvel then can have X-Men titles separated into their own merchandising and TV/Movie tie-in stuff while FOX does their own thing. It gets to be incredibly frustrating when you see Marvel Comics promotional stuff including reprints of older retro posters but the Fantastic Four and X-Men have been removed. Then you look for X-Men and Fantastic Four promotional material and it's hard to come by and often using older versions of the characters pre-FOX movies. Because Disney is in control of the promotional department of merchandising and they refuse to promote the competition. FOX needs the merchandising rights so they can form their own FOX/Marvel branch of the bullpen and not be tied down by everything on the Disney/Marvel branch.

- CQ

[HarryTrotter]

I already said everything I could about the movie-to-comic synergy.So just check the previous page for that.In ten years the MCU itself will be so big they will have to reboot it anyway.

I sure there is an actual statistic somewhere,but I think its more likely that your computer will die or your phone will fall in the toilet then your house burning down.Not denying that a phone is easier to carry around.And again its still 3,99 and there is the issue of piracy,just like anywhere else.Which is a different and complicated story.And we touched upon it once or twice IIRC.

[HarryTrotter]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/04/champions-1-to-get-a-1-1000-cover-and-this-window-cling/
1:1000 variant cover.For Champions #1.What retailer is going to order 1000 copies of Champions #1?

[Silver Shocker]

Thank frak, a new artist is taking over Thunderbolts.

He looks kinda like Discount Bagley. He's not amazing or anything, but he's good enough. He's certainly better than Malin. Interestingly, it looks like he'll be joining just as the book gets more interesting.

[HarryTrotter]

Cant say I heard about Izaakse,but I guess taking inspiration from Stuart Immonen or Alan Davis is better then taking inspiration from Rob Liefeld.
Did Marvel listen to the fans this time,or did Malin decided to imitative his mentor in missing deadlines too?

[Silver Shocker]

Almost certainly the latter, but possibly both. Very few artists these days can do a monthly by themselves for an extended period of time. The Ghostbusters comic has a history of delays and occasional guest artists.

Eh, call me jaded, but I don't know about Marvel "listening to fans". Seems most of the time they don't give a rats' arse about what fans think as long as they buy the books. Besides, when it comes to artists, the writers and editors in interviews will always talk them up like they're the best artist around. There was a time years ago on the Gauntlet era of Amazing Spider-Man, when Eric Canete did an issue (the one with Deadpool) and fans hated the art. Editor Steve Wacker told them on CBR he didn't care what they thought, and was considering having Canete do more. He never did, but I almost think Wacker said that just to spite his audience, per usual. So glad that tool isn't working on the Spidey books anymore. Not that they're any better with Slott at the helm.

[HarryTrotter]

Marvel executive being a jerk in a CBR interview?Must have been a day ending in Y. 
They should really hire new PR guys.And ban Dan Slott from twitter.

On the others hand;if fans are willing to buy a rehash of a 10 year old event at 5,99(peak Bendis writing),they deserve all the crud shoveled at them.

[Silver Shocker]

Marvel executive being a jerk in a CBR interview?Must have been a day ending in Y. 
They should really hire new PR guys.And ban Dan Slott from twitter.

On the others hand;if fans are willing to buy a rehash of a 10 year old event at 5,99(peak Bendis writing),they deserve all the crud shoveled at them.

I should stress, it was the CBR forums, not an interview. Though the forums weren't any better (after all, Wacker and Slott literally caused the entire forum to be wiped clean because of the hostilities they caused there)

Eh, as much of a jerk as Slott is to his audience, if he was banned from twitter we'd lose him calling out Rich Johnston, and that's too precious to lose. 

[edit] Ok, I missed two months worth of solicits, so I have a LOT to talk about. So we're going to make this a numbered list!

1. So there was an ad in today's comics for Thunderbolts #5 with a cover I'd never seen before (I just found out I'd missed two months of Marvel solicits, nuts) which treats us to Malin's take on (Miles Morales) Spider-Man:

And apparently his nineties influences also include Todd McFarlane.

1.5 Totally forgot about this one...wanted to talk about my thoughts on TBolts #3. I thought it was actually the best issue yet. The stuff at the end with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Cap and Kobik was great, and has me excited for future stories, but in addition to that......THE INHUMANS GOT THEIR A$$ES KICKED!!! I choose to believe editorial forced Inhuman B.S. on Jim Zub and he decided to rebel like a boss. This is the most cathartic enjoyment I've had since the last time someone in the industry called out Rich Johnston.

2. Speaking of Spider-Man, September's issue promises "The moment you've all been waiting for. DOC OCK IS BACK!"

Umm.....NO, the moment I've been waiting for is for Doc Ock to go the frak away. He can't "come back" because he's been in the book non stop for four bloody years! I was never a big fan of Doc Ock (though the cartoons and movies did good by him), but even if I loved him, I'd understand that like Green Goblin, Ultron, Kang, the Joker, and Darkseid (and according to some people, Call of Duty), you have to take them off the table (which ironically enough, was the mentality behind Brand New Day and The Gauntlet), make people want it, and let the anticipation simmer like fine cuisine. Instead what we've got is warmed over leftovers and Danny Boy Slott's hubris. Bringing back the Human Brain was pretty rad though!

3. Also Spidey related, the cover for the finale issue of Web Warriors is kinda awesome. I really need to read this book. I've gotta get the trade for the miniseries, and then I've got the 3-issue reprint from a few months ago...

4. This Deadpool and the Mercs for Money solicit amused me though:

"The Mercs have spoken -- Deadpool sucks!
• At being their leader, I mean! Deadpool is still awesome.
• Please keep buying his comics."

Somehow I don't think that'll be an issue.

5. I know complaining about spoilers in the solicits is a little bit like complaining about spoilers in a movie trailer, but this bit involving New Avengers simply cannot go unchallenged:

Spoiler

'NEW AVENGERS #16

The A.I.M. vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. vs. W.H.I.S.P.E.R. war screams towards a heart-shredding climax!
• It's a battle to the finish aboard a crashing Air Force One! And no matter who wins, Marvel-Earth will never be the same!
• WE BEG OF YOU, TRUE BELIEVER -- DO NOT REVEAL THE SHOCKING TWISTS WITHIN THESE PAGES TO MAN OR BEAST!

NEW AVENGERS #17

Roberto Da Costa — SHOT THROUGH THE HEAD! A.I.M. — UNDER SIEGE FROM S.H.I.E.L.D.!
• Air Force One — TUMBLING FROM THE SKY LIKE A DYING SWAN!"

WELL THANKS FOR GIVING IT AWAY YOU NIMRODS!

6. So I was reading the solicit for the new Champions book (aka one half of All New Avengers) and I was thinking: with all the interchangeable team/book names for young superhero teams, like Young Allies and the Battleworld Runaways book, which they confirmed was called Runaways in order to keep the trademark on the name -- Wouldn't it make more sense to call this book Young Avengers? I mean, I know it's kinda sacrilege to call it that when it has nothing to do with Heinberg's book and characters, but Gillan's run was like a third Heinberg's YA and 2 thirds completely different characters. This on the other hand, literally stars Young Avengers. As in Young superheros who migrated from an Avengers book. Heck, Amadeus Cho as the Totally Awesome Hulk is in this, and he was a member of Slott's Mighty Avengers roster. Plus having the Avengers name in the title helps brand recognition/sales. I kinda think Marvel dropped the ball on this one. Maybe they needed to renew the Champions name? In any case, It's still Mark Waid and I like the roster so I'll happily pick it up.

[HarryTrotter]

I guess it depends on following creators or the characters.But Im not that optimistic about Champions.Or at least not like Marvel is.
IIRC there is a Spiderman by Todd McFarlane omnibus coming out(or is it out already?) so maybe Malin decided its a good time for a homage.Or something.
IDK if I commented New Avengers,but Warlock is back.And Toni is Rescue.Im surprised Marvel allowed any of that,but it was cool anyway.

[Silver Shocker]

^ Re: New Avengers. Not sure why they wouldn't. Warlock might be from the X-Men books, but he's not a mutant. And yeah, I know that's not even remotely how the tv/movie rights issues work, but the comics don't (and can't, see: Firestar, Deadpool, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch) afford to work on that logic. Every character in the Marvel U is Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon (how sad is I almost wrote "Fifty Shades of Keven Bacon"? Though I maybe I still had that joke from Spider-Man/DP on the brain.) As for Rescue, that actually was pretty cool. I've liked Toni Ho the whole time, but that felt like the testing grounds for her role in U.S. Avengers. Actually that makes her the character I'd most want to read about in that book. Still not picking it up though.

^ Champions baffles me. Not just because of the title, but because splitting the kids and adults into two books seems like a self-defeating ploy for double the money. I'm going to pick them up, because I've liked Mark Waid and All New Avengers is fun, I've always been done for an Avengers ongoing if the creative team/roster/direction is solid (see also: Al Ewing New Avengers biggest disappointment since Secret Invasion: X-Men by Mike Carey) and I like both rosters (though Hercules as a nineties anti-hero with a Dragon Ball Z Scouter is as bizarre a direction as they come. It's like if Thor randomly decided to become a Ghostbuster. Hey, I can write for Marvel!) But think of it in  terms of the fans. The Tumblrites are going to drop Tony Stark and Vish and make a beeline to Kamala Khan and Her Amazing Friends, while the "hardcore", "oldschool" "traditional" "Avengers-y" Avengers fans are going to flock to the former. I'd think that making BOTH groups have to buy the book like in All-New would be the smarter gamble (kinda like the Wolverine Publicity trope) Marvel could have even been more devious and kept All-New and sold all three. Hell, if Danny Boy Slott is expected to write three Spidey comics a month with one of them drawn by Jim freaking Cheung (I'm calling delays), then Waid can probably write them all (though I wouldn't begrudge them a good co-writer or replacement).

On the topic of Civil War II, I'm not reading it. It's a Bendis book, it's going to adhere to expectations as such, rather than subvert them. Bendis is the Micheal Bay of comics writers: you know exactly what you're going to get, for better or worse. Interestingly enough, the guy who runs my local comic book store says he really likes it, saying it had a good story to justify why the characters are at odds. He also still likes the original, and so did I at the time; don't hold that against me though, I was under 20 at the time and knew virtually nothing of politics. Then again, I skimmed Linkara's review and the main thing I took from it was "man, McNiven's art wasn't nearly as good as I remember. He's come a long way." Some dude in the Youtube comments actually, I kid you not, mistook McNiven's art for Greg Land, saying they look "exactly the same".

Anyway, back to Civil War II. My local comics shop guy likes it, but I won't hold that against him. He's not a Bendis-hater like we are are, and I get the feeling he has odd tastes. He was alive during the silver age and thought Spider-Man sucked back then to begin with, isn't a fan of Deadpool, and hated Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men (though, as I've said before, it's an acquired taste). Now mind you, I've only read the FCBD story, so I could be totally wrong, but the buzz I've repeatedly is that it's actually worse than the Mark Miller original, but considering it's Bendis-written ensemble book that hinges on the characterization of the extended Marvel cast (something he's always been terrible at) AND is conceived as Inhuman B.S. from the very start, Failure was pretty much The Only Option.

[HarryTrotter]

I dont hate Bendis(he had a lot of good stuff),only ones deserving hate here are Marvel editors for assigning him to write pretty much everything.I mean,give the man Daredevil,or something.
I did read the FCBD issue,and I said all that I could there.What also bothered me was that characters were not individuals,but a hive-mind speaking thru multiple mouths.Everybody is cracking the same jokes,and others are finishing those same jokes.
Thats kinda the thing about Champions,lets gather all the Tumbler stars into one comic,its gonna sell like ramen on a Naruto convention.Not to go full Brevoort,but Tumbler audience blogs and complains,but doesnt really buy comics.If they actually did,Angela would be supporting 3-4 montly series.

[Silver Shocker]

Actually Bendis' Daredevil run is supposed to be one of the all time greats. I read a few issues on Marvel's site back in high school and I thought it was awesome. Even Bendis' most staunch supporters have always contented he's at his best doing street level crime series (so basically Marvel's Netflix lineup). Why he never wrote a Luke Cage solo outing I'll never know. I'll give him that, he did more for Luke than any other writer. No Bendis, no Mike Coulter Luke Cage.

In related news, the Gendy Tartokovsky Power Man comic is finally coming out after over a decade. I assume Kevin Smith's Daredevil: The Target will come out any minute now. Wait a sec....Target and Tartokofsky starts with a T, just like Three.....HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED U GAIS!

Dude don't get me started on that Angela comic again....I've said it before and I'll say it again....you never go full SJW.

As for reading the books, actually I pointed out about a year or two ago that if you count digital sales Ms. Marvel outsells the X-Men books. Take from that what you will. No idea if it's still the case now if it applies to other books.

Also I may have touched on this before, but is Sam Alexander Nova a fan-favorite? I've haven't heard people talk about him in years, Richie's coming back, which feels like an admission of failure if there ever was one (though apparently the premise will be Rich mentoring Sam, which sounds like just the shot in the arm the book needs. Even though Rich keeps losing his arm. YOHOHOHO!). I might have said this too, but Nova's book feels like it's been going through the paces for a while and kinda lacks direction (right now it's doing a Civil War tie-in, and sometimes tie-ins keep the main story going; in this case it definitely feels like the plot stopped in its tracks) and All-New Avengers kinda did a bit of a pseudo-crossover with Nova (which, like a similar sojourn during McDuffie's JLA, ended up being a big waste of time, now a nod to Quasar was a nice touch)

Speaking of which, still waiting for more Quasar, Marvel. Unless that pops up again, that's gonna be the biggest non-starter since the Fred Van Lente Chinese Twins from the Point One story years ago (anyone remember that? That went nowhere)

[HarryTrotter]

Thats what Im saying.His DD run was great and he should be writing DD again,instead of team titles,which he isnt really suited. 
Its actually pretty amazing how Bendis arranged the pieces there and kinda established Matt as his own worst enemy.A bunch of bad things happen to Matt,but not because a fat guy in the tower is orchestrating things,but just because s*it happens.Thats life.And he doesn't even meet the people responsible for the mess.And they didnt even knew him.Or I would like to see Bendis write Amazing Spiderman.
Angela was just an example I like to use.As in it was all over the internet,but nobody was really buying it.Since you know,it got canceled with issue 6 or 7.
I cant know if Champions will suffer the same fate,but I can tell that nobody is gonna order 2000 copies of #1.
And I mentioned it in a different thread,so Im just throwing it in here,There will be a new Ghost Rider series with Robbie Reyes(third or second in 2 years),because you know,Agents of Shield.That will get its 50 viewers to buy Marvel comics,for sure.

[Silver Shocker]

Yeah, that sounds really good for Daredevil. Maybe I'll have to read that, Frank Miller's Born Again, and Brubaker's run one day. I did pick up the 3-dollar reprint set for Charles' Soule's Daredevil, which I've heard good things about. Haven't read it yet though.

Eh, I'm not sure I want Bendis writing Amazing Spider-Man. Not just because he's always been at home writing Ultimate Spider-Man and Miles Morales, but because his Peter Parker Spidey in his Avengers run was always such a goober (arguably as much or more than Slott's). Mind you, I never did read Spider-Men. I really will have to read that one day. Speaking of which, that sequel hook never did get followed up on, did it?

Yaknow, on the topic of Bendis and Daredevil, I kinda wonder why Bendis doesn't end up writing for television? You'd think his chatty dialogue and constant quips and obsession with having any given comic just be guys standing around talking would lend itself to tv perfectly.

Yaknow, I just remember I still read his Guardians of the Galaxy run. I actually regularly buy and read a Bendis book and totally forgot. That's how not-invested I am. To me, of the stuff I pick up, Guardians and Nova, those are my least favorite at the time.

On the topic of the Ghost Rider, I didn't know anything about that version of the character until the S.H.I.E.L.D. thing, and then I learned he rides a car instead of a motorcycle? Really? Lame. The one thing everyone remembers Ghost Rider for, why would you get rid of that? Heck, his name doesn't even make any sense that way. When someone is in a car, we don't call them a "rider", we call them a "driver". 
It was pointed out to me though that having that version of the character in Agents of Fail means they get to use all that lovely automobile company product placement that tv shows and movies love so much. Yay.

Back to something from the solicits: The October cover for Ant-Man. If this really is the last issue of the series, what a nice image to bow out on. If the book doesn't get another volume, I really hope both of those characters pop up in something else. And I'm very confident they would. Even if Marvel's done with an Ant-Man ongoing, there's no doubt the Paul Rudd version from the movies has given the character enough exposure to keep him around. Plus Marvel's said to this day they're still interested in doing more Young Avengers stuff, and Hulkling and Wiccan are being phased out of Ewing's Avengers book, so maybe them, Cassie and whoever (Kate Bishop?) can do more Young Avengers. Or Champions for that matter.

[HarryTrotter]

Something in a different topic reminded me-and I know its waaaay too late to joke about it-but Robbie Morrison called it? 

Yes,homages to other superheros also show up in the story.And it ran in 2008 IIRC.

Im just gonna skip the "Its not the Ghost Rider I like and remember" and go to the part where-if a character cant hold a series(or two) past issue 10-12,why would the next reboot be any different?I mean it could work if you bring in a superstar creative team,but I doubt thats the case here.

I guess Nick Spencer is too busy tweeting how Hillary is great to actually write comics. 
I have fallen a bit behind in Ant-man btw.I guess it was a bit of a cult book so the sales might not have been that great.And nothing really last long these days.
Which reminds me,looks like Marvel gave up on renumbering,and now they just put a number #1 in the other corner when another story starts.For example Deadpool #21(Not a Tumor #1).Not the happiest solution,but better then outright renumbering.

[Silver Shocker]

??? Sorry, ya lost me.

Eh, I haven't actually heard an explanation on why the current volume of Ant-Man is ending. It could easily just be sales. There's a difference between a Paul Rudd/Evangeline Lilly rom-com that doubles as a Marvel movie attracting an audience and a comic that is unabashedly "Superior Foes 2.0" doing the same. For one thing, as soon as I saw Ant-Man I predicted that Micheal Pena and the other buddies of Scott would migrate into the comics but surprisingly that never happened. And with Hank Pym and the extremly loose approximation of Hope Van Dyne being tied up elsewhere the Ant-Man comic really can't play off any of that synergy other than it being a heist comedy with a down on his luck superhero and his daughter. I'm a little disappointed, but really, I can't complain. That's how it goes. I still like the book, if for no other reason than I'm a big fan of the characters of Scott and Cassie Lang, but I liken the book to the IDW Ghostbusters in that I was really into it for a while, and that enthusiasm died out a bit and it went down a few notches. Neither book has ever been bad, they've just settled into a kind of pleasant familiarity. Like a really good pizza place after you've eaten it enough times.

[HarryTrotter]

Long story short,Nikolai Dante is assigned to the russian occupied America,and the leader of the resistance is basicly black Captain America.As in,it predicted the later development in Marvel comics.Not so funny when I explain it like that,I know.

Well,none of the movie audience really filtered down to comic readership.Its almost unbelivable that superheroes have never been more present in the pop culture,yet comic sales are at an all time lowest.

[Talavar]

Well,none of the movie audience really filtered down to comic readership.Its almost unbelivable that superheroes have never been more present in the pop culture,yet comic sales are at an all time lowest.

We've gone over this before, but that is demonstrably untrue: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/12/the-resurgence-of-comic-books-the-industry-has-its-best-selling-month-in-nearly-two-decades/ http://www.businessinsider.com/the-comic-book-industry-is-on-fire-2014-8 http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html

Comic sales have been generally rising over the last 5 years, with some monthly dips and spikes along the way.  The lowest point since the 90s appears to have been 2010, with sales rebounding since then.  Now, this is the industry as a whole, not just DC & Marvel, but the doomsaying seems unwarranted.

[HarryTrotter]

I would like to point out that we have the numbers for what comic shops ordered,there is no way of finding out how many of those actually got to the readers.
And lets not forget that Marvel sales have been bloated by variant covers and constant number #1.There is just no way in hell that 381 737 actual living people bought Civil War 2 #1.
And going outside the top 10 we see X-men at around 45 000,Avengers and Thunderbolts at around 35-36 000.Which are sad numbers compared to their former glory.But are actually more realistic numbers,seeing it was not a super-mega event with 3000 variant covers.
So yeah,millions of people who saw Marvel movies have not rushed to buy comics.Also,looks like DC and Image are gaining in Market share.