Batman v Superman

[stumpy]

LOL. Both of those were pretty good, Benton. I especially agree with the points made by the first one.

BTW, I am more willing to overlook weak plot points when their lameness mostly serves to give the movie a reason to continue but it doesn't actually undermine the character. For instance, the bit where Jor tells Lois how to make a phantom zone device but not Kal was admittedly pretty braindead. It served little purpose except as an excuse to give Lois more poorly justified screen time. But, it didn't really undermine the character basis for who Kal, Lois, or even Jor. In contrast, the scenes with Jonathan Kent in the tornado and Kal and Zod at the end were both dumb and showed that the movie either didn't understand or didn't care about the central character in a pretty fundamental way.

Though I am not betting on it, this Batman versus Superman movie could turn out to be okay. Of course, the trailer doesn't add much hope. It's too vague to be certain, but it seems to be setting us up for a movie where the basic conflict between the two characters is "Batman blames Superman for being in a movie made by and for destruction porn junkies." In other words, it sounds like Batman's motivation is to take Superman to task for the collateral damage from the Zod-Superman fight in MoS. But, it's a bit too meta for my tastes, since that damage was more the result of the movie's director than by anything justified by the plot. Despite what my spoof dialogue said above, the reality is that Zod wasn't actually interested in killing any humans. He was more than willing to, but that wasn't his goal. He wanted Superman's DNA so that he could restart Krypton. If Kal had flown to the desert, there is little reason Zod shouldn't follow him there. So, a new movie taking Superman to task for something that the first movie got wrong is a little too cute, IMO.

More to the mechanics of Batman versus Superman, it will be annoying if the premise of any physical confrontation is that Superman is an idiot who is constantly surprised by kryptonite or who fails to use his speed, vision, or other powers. Those sorts of fights don't really work for me. Not that Batman couldn't surprise Superman once or twice. But, the reality is that Superman isn't a moron and he is going to be cautious around someone who is very clearly not an ally at that point. And, assuming whatever trick Batman uses works the first time, Batman's choice then becomes whether to permanently disable Superman somehow or to resign himself to never beating him again once he recovers.

Even more to the point, any "lesson" that Batman teaches Superman about minimizing harm to innocents will undermine the characterization even further. After all, Superman doesn't avoid collateral damage because Batman kicked his butt and warned him about collateral damage. Superman avoids collateral damage because he's freaking Superman and he finds a way to win without sacrificing innocents. It's something he does because of who he is, not because someone gave him a beatdown over it.

[bat1987]

Not a fan of Luthor here. But i find the premise interesting and it looks pretty epic.  Ww looks great in action, so does Batman.

[Talavar]

Though I am not betting on it, this Batman versus Superman movie could turn out to be okay. Of course, the trailer doesn't add much hope. It's too vague to be certain, but it seems to be setting us up for a movie where the basic conflict between the two characters is "Batman blames Superman for being in a movie made by and for destruction porn junkies." In other words, it sounds like Batman's motivation is to take Superman to task for the collateral damage from the Zod-Superman fight in MoS. But, it's a bit too meta for my tastes, since that damage was more the result of the movie's director than by anything justified by the plot. Despite what my spoof dialogue said above, the reality is that Zod wasn't actually interested in killing any humans. He was more than willing to, but that wasn't his goal. He wanted Superman's DNA so that he could restart Krypton. If Kal had flown to the desert, there is little reason Zod shouldn't follow him there. So, a new movie taking Superman to task for something that the first movie got wrong is a little too cute, IMO.

More to the mechanics of Batman versus Superman, it will be annoying if the premise of any physical confrontation is that Superman is an idiot who is constantly surprised by kryptonite or who fails to use his speed, vision, or other powers. Those sorts of fights don't really work for me. Not that Batman couldn't surprise Superman once or twice. But, the reality is that Superman isn't a moron and he is going to be cautious around someone who is very clearly not an ally at that point. And, assuming whatever trick Batman uses works the first time, Batman's choice then becomes whether to permanently disable Superman somehow or to resign himself to never beating him again once he recovers.

Sure, Zod wanted to restart Krypton, but once Superman destroyed the world engine and the birthing pod ship, that wasn't happening, and I think Zod was pretty interested in killing humans from that point on.

As to kryptonite, this version of Superman has never encountered it yet, right?

[BentonGrey]

Haha, glad you enjoyed them, Stumpy.

You've got a lot of good points there.  My wife asked me the other day, "why doesn't Superman just, you know, rip his head off?"  I laughed and told her that I didn't know.

[Silver Shocker]

Now that we have a longer trailer that gives a good scope of the movie I'm liking it a little more, but honesty, I can't get very excited about this thing other than Affleck (I just watch Gone Girl recently, and he's great in that). Wonder Woman looks great in action but we still haven't seen her talk. The display case thing is intriguing.

But man, Eisenberg as Luthor. What the heck happened here? He just doesn't work as Luthor for me at all, and actually reminds me a bit of Hackman and Spacey in the previous movies.  That "red capes are coming" bit is like something out of a cartoon. And not like the DCAU, like a crappier cartoon.

Just didn't get much of anything out of Man of Steel, and I imagine this will be a lot of the same other than Luthor and Bats, so I can't say I'm excited about it. But it is looking like it'll delivering on some live action Batman/Superman action if that's what you're looking for. I imagine it'll make a killing at the box office just based on that.

[BentonGrey]

I imagine it'll make a killing at the box office just based on that.

And this makes me very sad.   Even if this movie is terrible, it's going to make more money than any three small countries.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Well having seen the long trailer, I'm glad that their addressing the collateral damage issue, which seems to be one of the major things behind the opposition to Superman and what he's trying to overcome.  The setup works okay for Batman vs. Superman as it's understandable that Batman would not like a guy that destroyed half a major city and is now being practically worshipped.  There's also a line that his experience in Gotham has taught him to expect that good guys will turn bad eventually, so it's understandable that with this viewpoint the very existance of Superman would make him very, very worried.

So all in all the new trailer has me feeling a bit better about the movie, although still sceptical.  Really, really hate this version of Lex though.

[thalaw2]

Extended trailer is awesome.  A bit CG heavy, but maybe WB went with a bad overseas post production studio (Hollywood outsources everything) and will fix that up before the release.   I'm excited about seeing this movie.

I knew Zod wasn't dead. 
Anyone else think Wonder Woman looked a tad out of place?

[BentonGrey]

Extended trailer is awesome.  A bit CG heavy, but maybe WB went with a bad overseas post production studio (Hollywood outsources everything) and will fix that up before the release.   I'm excited about seeing this movie.

I knew Zod wasn't dead. 
Anyone else think Wonder Woman looked a tad out of place?

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure Zod is, in fact, dead, and that was his corpse, probably being preserved for research and leading to Doomsday or the like.

[thalaw2]

Extended trailer is awesome.  A bit CG heavy, but maybe WB went with a bad overseas post production studio (Hollywood outsources everything) and will fix that up before the release.   I'm excited about seeing this movie.

I knew Zod wasn't dead. 
Anyone else think Wonder Woman looked a tad out of place?

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure Zod is, in fact, dead, and that was his corpse, probably being preserved for research and leading to Doomsday or the like.

That makes sense. 

Spoiler

I just still can't wrap my mind around him dying from a broken neck.  Would that really kill Supes?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Yes, yes it would.

Spoiler

The problem is doing it in the first place.

[Midnite]

Viral marketing has begun.

https://twitter.com/alexanderluthor

[Shogunn2517]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mw9qZ9THFs

It's like they're trying to make an epic movie and I want to be excited about it.... but...

I dunno.  I mean, they seem to be doing everything right and I will watch it but just... I dunno.  Gotta wonder though...

Spoiler

What in the hell did they do to Doomsday?

[Tomato]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mw9qZ9THFs

It's like they're trying to make an epic movie and I want to be excited about it.... but...

I dunno.  I mean, they seem to be doing everything right and I will watch it but just... I dunno.  Gotta wonder though...

Spoiler

What in the hell did they do to Doomsday?

"Everything right" is a biiit of a stretch. I like elements of this, but I'm not a fan of Frank Miller's Batman work (particularly with regards to the Batman/Superman dynamic), which this movie draws heavy inspiration from. Still, it's a much more promising trailer than the last one, and the opening scene of the trailer is something I can't wait to see in full.

Spoiler

As for Doomsday... ehhhhhhh. Like... let's be honest, Doomsday's design was never exactly the most original thing ever, and I can understand wanting to differentiate it from the Hulk a bit more post-MCU. I could do without the noseless 2014 TMNT face, but the heat vision effect on it looks kinda cool.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

It mostly looks good, but I'm really. really HATING this portrayal of Lex so far. That isn't the Luthor I know and hate.

EDIT:  And I'm not the only one.  After reading the feedback, it seems like that ad has backfired hugely.  There's a fair amount of backlash against the two things already mentioned--the portrayal of Lex and the way Doomsday looks.

[JeyNyce]

Doomsday looks like the Abomination from the Hulk movie, Lex is a bit over the top, but he was always like that in the movies, but what gets me the most is that from the trailer, you pretty much know what the whole movie is about.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to see it when it comes out.

[BWPS]

Doomsday looks like the Abomination from the Hulk movie, Lex is a bit over the top, but he was always like that in the movies, but what gets me the most is that from the trailer, you pretty much know what the whole movie is about.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to see it when it comes out.

Everyone says this and I'm not even going to watch the trailer. Why do movies do this? I hate spoilers and love reveals. In this case it makes even less sense since they're basically guaranteed that everyone is going to see this no matter what so they can hold back some surprises. It's like they want trailers these days to just be a miniature version of the whole movie. Do people really want that?

[HarryTrotter]

Worst incarnation of Lex Luthor Ever.same could be said for Batman.And Superman.And Doomsday.

[JeyNyce]

Worst incarnation of Lex Luthor Ever.same could be said for Batman.And Superman.And Doomsday.

So you like Wonder Woman in this film?

I think it's going to be a good movie with a lot of destruction, just like the first one.  Now I'm hearing rumors that Doomsday will change throughout the movie like he did in the comics so to quote DBZ "This is not even my final form!" or something like that   

[HarryTrotter]

Worst incarnation of Lex Luthor Ever.same could be said for Batman.And Superman.And Doomsday.

So you like Wonder Woman in this film?

I think it's going to be a good movie with a lot of destruction, just like the first one.  Now I'm hearing rumors that Doomsday will change throughout the movie like he did in the comics so to quote DBZ "This is not even my final form!" or something like that 

We see her for only a few seconds,I cant really judge.Thou that costume is still more Xena then WW but who cares,right?Still better then the Suicide Squad costumes.

[Reepicheep]

Does anyone else feel like they know the whole plot already?

[JeyNyce]

Does anyone else feel like they know the whole plot already?

Yep and I think that was done on purpose.  I'm guessing that the end of the movie will be a setup for the Justice League movie.

[BentonGrey]

   This could be such an awesome movie...this trailer is the first time I've really felt that.  Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, standing shoulder to shoulder...why can't they give us that, but with some joy, heroism, and just a little color (and infinitely less Batflack)?  This could really be a great movie.  They've got the technology, they've got plenty of talent, but instead, we're getting something that depresses me each time I hear more about it.

I couldn't agree more with those of y'all saying that Lex Luthor's portrayal here is terrible.  Saying he's always been over the top in the movies is all the more reason we should get an actual decent portrayal of him in their uber-serious film, but no.  Even if I was enthusiastic about other elements of this movie, their version of Luthor would give me pause. 

Ahh...I'm sorry, I didn't set out to be so negative when I started writing this post, but my goodness, this movie just breaks my heart.  I love these characters and this universe so much, and I would leap a tall building in a single bound if we could get an interpretation of them that has HALF as much joy and love as the Marvel movie-verse.  The fact that it's going to make more money than the GDP of Europe just makes it worse, as this is what the DCU will be for the next few decades. 

I guess I'll just go home and watch my JLU DVDs. 

[HarryTrotter]

Recently Mark Millar(that guy) went on a rant how Man of Steel traumatised him and how it was too dark,and his movie Huck will be so much better...Point being-Mark Millar is an idiot,but when HE tells you your movies are too dark,you have a real problem.
I would like to see something more in tone of All Star Superman and less in tone of All Star Batman.

[JeyNyce]

It's funny in a way that they made the movie dark, but yet Lex is still over the top, unless he's the "mad with power laughing type crazy person".  I also think they are going the way of the alternate justice league (Vamp Bats, Zod's my dad Supes, etc).  Those guys were very dark and they are the founders for the JL.  I'm starting to think they took a little bit of everything from the DCU and put it in this movie.

[Shogunn2517]

Hey Tomato,

https://twitter.com/DailySuperHero/status/672451843302293504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[JeyNyce]

This one fits perfectly
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/b/b4/TMNT_Slash_IDW.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130212182946&path-prefix=de

[BentonGrey]

Recently Mark Millar(that guy) went on a rant how Man of Steel traumatised him and how it was too dark,and his movie Huck will be so much better...Point being-Mark Millar is an idiot,but when HE tells you your movies are too dark,you have a real problem.
I would like to see something more in tone of All Star Superman and less in tone of All Star Batman.

This delights me to no end.    Yeah, if even Mark Millar is telling you you've gone too far, it's time to reassess.

Jey, Shogunn, those are hilariously apt!  Slash!

[Tomato]

Hehe. That made my morning

[Midnite]

I suspect this trailer was tailored for the general audience. A drastic change of tone from the last two trailers we seen so far. They were trying to show the light hearted and humour side of the film. For those people who thought DCCU is all dark and serious. But I find it was poorly executed with the edits and choice of soundtrack.

Someone fixed the trailer, so much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMVugzohlwA


From the opening scene, I think Lex knows Bruce and Clark are Bats and Sups. In fact, I bet all three of them know who each other are. Which is why that scene is so great to me. Clark is playing dumb, Bruce is playing hard, and Lex is just trying to stir up s***. Love banter between Bruce and Clark. As for Lex being being goofy/campy, pretty sure its his public face.


"Wow that is a good grip! You should not pick a fight with this person."




As for Fakeday, I believe its Lex tried cloning Zod and created a Bizzaro like character. You see him using a recovered Kryptonian statis pod in one scene. Ben Affleck's Batman voice sounds pretty good, less cancer throat compare to Bale.



Are these Parademons from the nightmare scene?