Batman v Superman

[BentonGrey]

I liked their version of the Flash, though they were too ham-handed with his being comic relief in the beginning, just like they were too heavy on the 'Batman is a jerk loner' thing.  It all got better as the series went on. 

[trebean]

That's the key, Lu.  The warrior heritage is part of the character, but she's supposed to be above aggression and the like.  I'm reminded of the portrayal of Storm Shadow from the G.I. JOE comics, "the only rational purpose for mastering violence is to abolish it."  That's the core of the character, and when you must turn her into Hercules in a tiara, you lose that.  As others have said, JLU got her right, like it got most things right.

Everything but the Flash.

Pretty hard to believe since Wally was a fan favorite of the show, I'd agree if this was Barry, cept he isn't, Wally has always been much more energetic and witty than Barry, this show just cemented that fact

[JeyNyce]

A pic of Aquaman's costume:

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/33318/20140815/jason-momoa-aquaman-costume.htm

yea.....I wouldn't want him mad at me.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Keeps the orange and green, gives a plate armored look--if that's what they end up using, it isn't bad.

[BentonGrey]

I found this article rather apt and fairly entertaining.  Be aware, it is a Cracked article, so it may have some language:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-dc-comics-has-no-clue-how-to-make-superhero-movies/

[spydermann93]

I agree with them on all points, especially about handling Superman.

[stumpy]

I should preface with: I have some hope that DC will release an enjoyable movie next year.

That said, thanks for the link, BG. Just about every criticism in that article was valid, at one level or another. Of course, Cracked doesn't spare the hyperbole in making its points, but I think a strong case can be made that 1) DC doesn't really understand what has made the Marvel movies so successful (or isn't willing to take the time to replicate the work behind that success) and 2) doesn't really understand its own flagship character or why people like him.

(Just to annoy any bipolar fallacy adherents out there: I have not said or implied 1) that the Marvel movies are flawless or 2) that DC has never made a good movie.)

[Shogunn2517]

I said it before, and I'll say it again.  Marvel shattered the mold.  What they did, combining franchises, not relying on a single actor or actress to carry an entire film and not to mention make a wildly entertaining film.  They hit it real big and more importantly they hit it big FIRST.  The next time general film audiences see a huge blockbuster summer movie with multiple heroes, across separate franchises, it will be hard to shake the impression the Avengers did.  It will be hard for some to not see Batman vs Superman and Justice League as a knock off of The Avengers.  I'm not saying it is, but I'm saying viewing audiences might see it that way.  It will certainly be made worse if the quality of filmmaking is what it was in Man of Steel.

[trebean]

I think this is less DC and more WB.

[stumpy]

Fair enough. I (and I would assume most people commenting in this movie thread) am using "DC" to mean the people behind the DC superhero movies (Legendary Pictures and Warner Bros.). I haven't read the comics that recently.

[John Jr.]

New Batmobile photos. It looks likes a new take on the "Dark Knight" tumbler.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/10/the-batmobile-seen-on-the-set-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/

[JeyNyce]

I was going to say it looks like the Batmobile from the Arkham series

[Podmark]

I like it, but I think Bruce might want to stop by at the Bat-Car Wash.

[Midnite]

Zack Snyder Tweets Batmobile Photo

Snyder tweeted a photo of the Batmobile. In response to the unofficial photos.

[BWPS]

Batman gets around his no killing code by being all like "I won't shoot you. But my car totally will."

[trebean]

Batman gets around his no killing code by being all like "I won't shoot you. But my car totally will."

The comics often explained by saying he uses rubber bullets, so it's not really lethal, just hurts a lot

[UnkoMan]

A pic of Aquaman's costume:

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/33318/20140815/jason-momoa-aquaman-costume.htm

yea.....I wouldn't want him mad at me.

...ew.
I don't like that one bit. Doesn't read as Aquaman to me at all.

[Shogunn2517]

Zack Snyder Tweets Batmobile Photo

Snyder tweeted a photo of the Batmobile. In response to the unofficial photos.

If it makes you feel any better Unko, this don't read as Batmobile to me.

Zach Snyder is seriously starting to make me wonder if knows who these characters ACTUALLY are or going off what someone told him.

[John Jr.]

Gotham City is becoming too dangerous, even for Batman:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/12/has-the-batman-vs-superman-batmobile-been-stolen-in-detroit/

I hope Bruce had insured it.

[Midnite]

A pic of Aquaman's costume:

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/33318/20140815/jason-momoa-aquaman-costume.htm

yea.....I wouldn't want him mad at me.

...ew.
I don't like that one bit. Doesn't read as Aquaman to me at all.

I'll wait for the official costume design.

[John Jr.]

Bats vs Supes producer Charles Roven said to Newsarama why they chose Affleck for the main role:

"We knew that we wanted a very mature Batman, because we wanted to juxtapose him with this very young Superman," explained Roven. "So we wanted a guy who was tougher, rugged, who had signs of life, who had lived a hard life, and we wanted the guy to have chops, for sure."
"We also wanted a guy with big stature," Roven continued. "Ben is 6' 4". Henry [Cavill] is 6'1". We wanted Batman to tower over Superman. Not hugely, not like a basketball player. Superman needed to 'look up' to Batman. We wanted that dynamic, and Ben could do that, easily."

So, Affleck will be a great Bats because he's 3 inches taller than Cavill?! And why Batman's height is so important? Or it's just a way to show (again) how Batman will be "wiser, tougher and better" than Supes in the movie? Wouldn't be more interesting portray Batman and Superman as equals?
And this is supposed to be a prequel to a Justice League movie?

[JeyNyce]

So they are going for Bats being the old dog who shows the new dog Supes on how to be a hero......  Does this make sense to anybody else?  Why couldn't they just be heroes who have different ways of doing something.  Why can't it be like a buddy cop movie?  They don't like each other at first but then find a way to work together and at the end become best friends?

[trebean]

So they are going for Bats being the old dog who shows the new dog Supes on how to be a hero......  Does this make sense to anybody else?  Why couldn't they just be heroes who have different ways of doing something.  Why can't it be like a buddy cop movie?  They don't like each other at first but then find a way to work together and at the end become best friends?

Bud, I don't know how to tell you this but....... Buddy Cop Movies has been way out of style for a decade now.

[BentonGrey]

Trebean, they are still making them nonetheless.   

Seriously though, there's room for a better version of the Superman/Batman story that we've gotten in recent years, something in-between the 'happy-smiling-always-friends' and the 'barely-contained-contempt' of some modern interpretations.  I think a buddy-cop dynamic is a pretty fair way to describe what they should have.  Like with most things, I look to the Timm-Verse for an example of this done right.  The Superman:TAS Batman crossover, though not perfect by any means, does a pretty decent job with the characters' relationships/personalities.  They don't trust each other at first, but eventually they come to respect and even like each other.  By JLA time they are friends.  It's a good arc.

[spydermann93]

New news:

Spoiler

Wonder Woman is going to be the daughter of Zeus and Batman is going to "tower over Superman... where Superman needed to look up to Batman."

I'm fine with the change in Wonder Woman's origin, but why does Batman need to be taller than Superman!?  Superman and Batman are only one inch apart, with Superman being taller.  This stinks of Batman needing to be the more likable one.

It would be more understandable if this were a Batman movie, but it's a sequel to "Man of Steel", a SUPERMAN movie!

Gah, all of this Batman favoritism is making me want to see this movie less and less.  Why does it always have to be about Batman with DC?  I like Batman, I really do, but sheesh do they really need to readjust their priorities.  I want to see all characters shine, not whimper in the shadow of the Master of Brooding.

Full interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyJvBNTMGLw

[John Jr.]

I don't understand why is so hard to DC/WB give some spotlight to their "minor" stars like Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman... Everything DC is so Bat Centric they are watering down the other characters. Batman is a great character and he's DC/WB's flagship guy now, but wouldn't be better for business if the other heroes were more popular?  If the JLA prequel becomes a "Batman and the JLA" movie it will alienate fans of the other characters and make harder for these characters support their own franchises.

[BentonGrey]

Well JJ, this is what happens when the folks running a company don't understand or care about their characters. 

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Making Wondy a demi-god isn't a big deal and still respects the Greek mythology that she is based on.  That's fine and simpler than the whole clay doll thing.

[BentonGrey]

Making Wondy a demi-god isn't a big deal and still respects the Greek mythology that she is based on.  That's fine and simpler than the whole clay doll thing.

Yeah, this doesn't particularly bother me, though it makes me wonder what else they'll change. 

[Podmark]

Batman being taller than Supes and Clark needing to "look up to Batman" sounds really strange to me. Shouldn't Superman be the more physically imposing one? (Although maybe I should check their official sizes before I make statements like that).