You guys are awesome

[Deaths Jester]

As one of the really old hands here I just gotta say, "Get off my damn lawn you dagnabbit whippersnappers!"

LOL. Sorry, DJ, but you don't have a lawn anymore. I turned it into a parking lot while you were sleeping 

Then get off my parking lot!!!

[Reepicheep]

A couple of the games I remember playing at the time were Dungeon Siege and Neverwinter Nights. Freedom Force was practically as competent in every which way.

In fact, there aren't any 3D games that spring to mind with particularly memorable stories or superior gameplay than Freedom Force. Am I forgetting anything?

Edit: Morrowind. I stand wildly corrected.

[kkhohoho]

Edit: Morrowind.

You take that back!

Seriously though, frick Morrowwind. I tried playing it years ago when it first came out, but at least to me, all I got was dashed hopes, false promises, and a lack of direction coupled with faulty gameplay and an uninteresting storyline. This is all my opinion of course, and I've sure there are those who love the heck out of it, but it just wasn't for me.

[Reepicheep]

Edit: Morrowind.

You take that back!

Seriously though, frick Morrowwind. I tried playing it years ago when it first came out, but at least to me, all I got was dashed hopes, false promises, and a lack of direction coupled with faulty gameplay and an uninteresting storyline. This is all my opinion of course, and I've sure there are those who love the heck out of it, but it just wasn't for me.

Aw, no way man. Polar opposite experience.

To be fair, I did play every second of it with my brother. I don't remember much about the story, but we did have a buttload of fun times. Looking back, I had way more straight up fun in Morrowing than I can remember from Freedom Force.

[OrWolvie1]

As one of the really old hands here I just gotta say, "Get off my damn lawn you dagnabbit whippersnappers!"

LOL. Sorry, DJ, but you don't have a lawn anymore. I turned it into a parking lot while you were sleeping 

Then get off my parking lot!!!

Can't Still waiting for them to finish striping the parking spaces

[Outcast]

Well for me, i think the gameplay for Freedom Force is just fine. It plays just like a superhero (pen & paper) rpg. Only with this game, you now get to see your heroes/stories/adventures  in action. It has a lot of varied elements like stats, attributes,powers,keyframe animations, fx,sounds to help bring your very own superhero characters to life.

The community really helped expand on this by providing much needed new meshes,keyframes,sounds, voicepacks,fx,skins,maps, mods such as ffx, and tools such as ezscript,keyframe transfers,hero tools, nifconverters,nifskope. (Not to mention providing helpful tutorials to help people realize the full potential of customizing the game.)

From that help, the game's potential just continued to grow. The fact that you can almost re create most of the actual superheroes from comics and their corresponding powers and abilities is a testament to how versatile the game has become. The only limits would be your imagination, and of course the learning curve of adding/customizing content. Of course i haven't really tried much of the newer games that have come after it. So i may not yet know if there were/are any superhero games that have done better or offer the same experience.

The gameplay may not be as exciting as other games. But i think it provides a good superhero roleplaying experience.

[Silver Shocker]

No, let's be realistic guys, Freedom Force is not good.

I'm sorry, but when I compare the gameplay and story to games like Undertale, Lego Batman 3, or the Arkham series, Freedom Force isn't even in the same league. It's not a bad time, certainly, but you cannot honestly tell me anyone here would still be devoting time to it if it were not for the customization options the game has, and the additional content other fans have provided.

Not as good as, you know, some of your favorite games of the last few years doesn't automatically equal "not good.". I enjoy the campaigns of Call of Duty. Are they as fulfilling as Bioshock (which I actually currently playing through for the first time) or Resident Evil 4 or Mario Galaxy? Not even close. But I still consider them good.

I just like to point out FF was made by the same people as Bioshock, which was one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time (speaking for myself, it's a suburb game). They knew what they were doing.

You know, there's this one Youtube personality I follow, who once said "If I enjoyed it, it's a good game". I like that. The point is to be entertained. But then again, I'm ridiculously easy to please with video games most of the time.

So? For one thing, not all games need a good story to be good. Just look at the Mario games, or Legend of Zelda, or even the best fighting games. Would anyone honestly say that Street Fighter's story is Shakespeare or the stuff of legends? Probably not. But people still play it to this day, because the gameplay's just that good, (or at least most people think so; give me King of Fighters anyday, (and kudos to anyone who knows what KOF is,)) and they don't really give a darn about the plot.

Mai Shiranui, Geese Howard, ect.

Re: story: Absolutely. Some games, like sports and racing titles, and competitive multiplayer, have no story whatsoever. For some people too much story (Metal Gear, for example) is a deterrent.

Edit: Morrowind.

You take that back!

Seriously though, frick Morrowwind. I tried playing it years ago when it first came out, but at least to me, all I got was dashed hopes, false promises, and a lack of direction coupled with faulty gameplay and an uninteresting storyline. This is all my opinion of course, and I've sure there are those who love the heck out of it, but it just wasn't for me.

Well, some people love Skyrim, while others (who liked the older games) hate it and call it a Fallout 3 skin. I haven't played them, so I don't know.

Its cliche,but that was the point.

I don't even think it was cliche, it was an intentional homage to the art of Jack Kirby and style of the Silver Age of comics. If you don't like that style or think it's aged poorly that's one thing, but it's a legitimately artistic choice. Cliche to comic fans? sure. Cliche to gamers? No way. There was NOTHING like that out at the time. City of Heroes wouldn't come out for another 2 years. I think the closest we had before that was Comix Zone for the Genesis/Mega Drive, which was modeled on 90's comic trends and was a completely different genre of game (and IMO was also of dubious quality)

Back on topic....

I think the reason why this forum is a lot more civil and pleasant than you'll find in a lot of other places is because the game it's based around is over a decade old and faded into obscurity, and thus the user base is much smaller. The larger the community, the bigger assemblage of jerks. These days I'm kinda desensitized to jerks on the internet. There definitely are some that ruffle my feathers the wrong way, but I kinda just accept that it's the way things are online.

[HarryTrotter]

I mean dont get me wrong,I liked  and  ,just I dont think it has a place in the gaming Valhalla.Unlike,lets say, Dungeon Keeper,Fallout 1 and 2,HoMM3,Baldurs gate,Diablo 2...

[Tomato]

I mean dont get me wrong,I liked  and  ,just I dont think it has a place in the gaming Valhalla.Unlike,lets say, Dungeon Keeper,Fallout 1 and 2,HoMM3,Baldurs gate,Diablo 2...

Pretty much this. I didn't mean to start this whole discussion, but a point and click game has never really done it for me. As for games that came at a similar time... Spiderman for the N64 and PSX came out in 2000, Spiderman (movie game) came out 2002 and X-men legends came out in 2004 (a year before the sequel). Those games are what I typically think of when I think of superhero games, and those are what I prefer actually *playing*. That's not intended to be a dig at Freedom Force, but more my personal preference.

[Outcast]

Yeah i think it all boils down to personal preference. The biggest draw for me when i looked at the box of  was being given the chance to create my own superhero characters. Just like i love the game WWE Smackdown for the PS1 and succeeding titles after that. They had this robust create a wrestler system there that covered a lot of details and gave you lots of options to choose from.

Still, when i did play the campaign i really came to love it. It just clicked with me somehow. I liked the gameplay experience, and i was thoroughly entertained. Although some of the jerks/experts/hard core gamers i've come across online would say that i'm more of a casual gamer or more of a character/story fan than a real gamer? Since i've played only a few games out there to really be able to compare  with the rest.

I didn't enjoy all the games that were classified more or less like gems or hall of fame games? I found games like counter strike, quake, red alert boring. Although i did enjoy playing Diablo 2 ,Starcraft 1 and 2 and the Sims. Legend of Zelda, i liked it at first but as the game progressed my interest started to wane. X-men legends, the same. Tried it out, but didn't play it for too long. It's really just a matter of taste i guess.

But..i know a few people online who claim they know how to objectively rate a game if it's good or bad. These are the "hard core" gamers who have played an extensive library of games. So they are able to judge the quality of a game more objectively. Compared to casual gamers, i guess like me. Who have little to compare it to.

Some would agree with me, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But these hard core gamers say you can't judge the quality of a game in a vacuum. So they don't believe that if you enjoyed the game, then it's a good game.

[Deaths Jester]

All I know is you blokes are doing a great job of making one of the few early skinners still around, me, feek bloody arse old. SO GET, YOU YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS before I beat ya silly with my walker!

[daglob]

Do what I did: don't get a cane, get a shillelagh.

[Reepicheep]

I like how now, 14 years later, we've only just gotten around to talking about whether or not Freedom Force is a good game.

What have we been doing all this time?!?

[Tomato]

Being awesome, obviously.

[Deaths Jester]

Being awesome, obviously.

I was drinking.....

[Tomato]

Why can't it be both?

[Deaths Jester]

Because the vodka says so?!?!

[daglob]

Man, don't listen to your vodka... next thing you know your liver starts talking to you and then you never get any peace.

[Deaths Jester]

Oh..I'd never listen to my liver! It doesn't know crap...the vodka though...such sweet murmurs in my ear....

[HarryTrotter]

You still have liver?Pffff...

[Panther_Gunn]

DJ still has his liver.  It's pickled, in a jar on his mantel.  Occasionally he gets it down and reminisces about the old days of bathtub gin and anti-freeze aged liquors.

[BentonGrey]

This has taken a delightful turn. 

[HarryTrotter]

[Tomato]

It usually does with DJ.

[doctorchallenger]

DJ still has his liver.  It's pickled, in a jar on his mantel.  Occasionally he gets it down and reminisces about the old days of bathtub gin and anti-freeze aged liquors.

To be fair, DJ's liver was pickled well before it went into the jar...

[daglob]

This has taken a delightful turn. 

It's part of the whole "being awesome" experience.

[Deaths Jester]

DJ still has his liver.  It's pickled, in a jar on his mantel.  Occasionally he gets it down and reminisces about the old days of bathtub gin and anti-freeze aged liquors.

I replaced that original model some time back. It just wasn't doing it for me.  And I don't need to reminisce about bathtub gin and anti-freeze liquors when I still drink them regularly!  Get it right, PG!!!

It usually does with DJ.

What are you trying to say, 'Mato? That I escalate things? That I'm here for your amusement? That I'm some type of entertainment thing?

[Reepicheep]

It usually does with DJ.

What are you trying to say, 'Mato? That I escalate things? That I'm here for your amusement? That I'm some type of entertainment thing?

*Grabs the popcorn as DJ's drunken rage escalates*

[OrWolvie1]

What are you trying to say, 'Mato? That I escalate things? That I'm here for your amusement? That I'm some type of entertainment thing?

Grabs a video camera - YouTube here I come!  I can see an Oscar Nomination coming for this one! 

[Rick Battlemage]

Not to bring things back on topic... But yeah. Freedom Force is a fine game. Not the best. But it'll always be special to me thanks to Freedom Reborn. Just hanging around on the forums, talking to likeminded people, having way more silly fun than should be allowed.

It was a great experience during a very formative time in my life.