The worst movie you ever saw... Necroposting

[HarryTrotter]

Attack of Killer Tomatoes is intentionally bad,so that kinda disqualifies it.

[Silver Shocker]

Attack of Killer Tomatoes is intentionally bad,so that kinda disqualifies it.

Trying to trying to decide if I agree on that....
Funny enough, the only movie I've ever watched with friends to riff on was Jurassic World, and that movie was at least partially satire about itself, so technically that's disqualified.

Interesting stuff. I was recently thinking about how dedicated I am to watching just about every film and television adaptation DC and Marvel put out, but I never bothered with Catwoman and I'm not exactly planning to.
I didn't hate GL either. I've always agreed with you that if a DC cinematic universe spun out of that movie it could been a lot more fun. I'm looking forward to DC giving the IP another shot in the future (the return of John Stewart Diggle can't come soon enough!)

Will you and your group be like the Red Letter Media guys and give your thoughts on which one was "Best of the Worst"?
So which ones of those have you actually seen already, if any?
Getting back to Jurassic World. My brother was the one was pushing for it but the other two in the group weren't particularly into it and in more recent years one of them outright refused to watch its sequel JW: Fallen Kingdom because he didn't like the first one. Which is a shame because Fallen Kingdom is a far, far dumber movie and could be a lot of fun to riff on in the right group.

Funny thing is, I think Tenet WOULD be a good movie to riff on with my old viewing group, unfortunately I'll probably never have that opportunity because me and the other members of that group have gone our separate ways in the last two years.

Star Wars Christmas Special (the real one, not the lego one)

Ah, that one WAS featured on Best of the Worst, and that made me crystal clear I don't ever want to take the plunge because it's apparently really bad, but apparently dreadfully dull as well. I've heard online that the Lego one is really bad but I have to admit I'm mildly curious what I'd think of it. I probably wouldn't dislike it as much as some others did.

Dragonball Evolution

Oh boy, you enjoy that.  I've never seen that, but I did see a pretty epic Nostalia Critic-esque riff on it (I seem to recall it was specifically inspired by NC) years ago from a Youtuber I watch, that was on Blip and, I think, is gone forever now (and likely couldn't have put on Youtube anyway because it used a LOT of footage). The guy was a huge fan of Dragon Ball (he once said it was his favorite anime) and he wasn't kind to it (few were). Probably my favorite two parts of it that I can recall were him playing the Bulk and Skull music from Power Rangers over the parts with the high school bullies, and his utter disbelief that a minor supporting character (who I always assumed was based on Mr. Popo) was played by Ernie Hudson ("WINSTON?")

Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama himself bashed the film, and the always delightful Sonny Straight (the voice of Krillin in the Funimation dub) bashed it with aplomb at a convention when asked about it. (Starts at 1:28).

Pretty great that someone in the audience called it the "worst movie I've ever seen in my life." And as an added bonus, Sonny's comments about the power of Hollywood CGI circa 2010 and his comments on Iron Man 1 and 2 are even more amusing with the benefit of hindsight than they were 10 or so years ago.

Sonny saying "Funimation had nothing to do with it" is a bit funnier considering Christopher Sabat voiced the titular dragon, Shenron, in the film itself, while Yamcha's voice and performance were quite obviously based on Sabot's surfer-dude esque take on the character.

Misguided as the thing was, the fact that a few of the major actors went on to be in much better stuff is nice. If that movie played any role in Jamie Chung playing Go-Go, Blink or Death or the Endless, than I can thank DBE for that. I can definitely thank DBE for James Marsters' being cast as Zamazu in Dragon Ball Super, because he made what was already what I consider the first legitimately good Super-exclusive arc even more awesome.

Super Mario Bros...an "anti-classic" for sure. I saw that as a kid, during that time in my childhood before Nintendo became absolutely terrified of letting anyone make Western made cartoons or movies based on their work. I've heard he hated working on it, but I always thought Bob Hoskins was perfectly cast as Mario. And I think John Leguizamo is fine if you pretend you've never hear of Luigi (I still call him Luigi to this day).

Ah, Street Fighter  .....I saw it on tv around the time I got out of high school or so and I thought it was stupid, but because of the internet, I've come to accept it because of Raul Julia of course. Even then I thought the casting of Kylie Minogue was terrible (which resulted in Cammy having an Austrailan accent in the 90's Street Fighter cartoon despite being British), there's a whole lot of meta humor springing from the fact that Ming-Na Wen was Chun-Li. For example, in Marvel Versus Capcom 3 Chun-Li was depicted as having a crush on Thor. And of course, the single most beloved scene in the movie is the scene with her character talking to Bison.  Realizing that Dee Jay was played by the same actor as a character on a tv then-current tv show I was watching right around the time I saw the film) was amusing. While Zangief wasn't exactly faithful, he did give us one of the most fondly remembered jokes in the movie. The film also had a pretty solid influence on the 90's U.S. cartoon, which I watched a few years ago and really enjoyed, cheesy as it was. Seeing that show develop the movie version of Dhalsim into the video game version of the character was rather impressive.

I imagine most people can agree it's better for not being The Legend of Chun-Li (I wonder if that would be good for a bad movie night?)
The release of Street Fighter IV and V as well as other, more recent, much better adaptations (the Udon comics are SOOO good!)  has made me a huge Street Fighter fan in recent years, so I'll always appreciate that seemingly every incarnation of Bison is an absolute beast.

For me, the biggest disappointment in that movie, from a hindsight point of view, is that being based on SFII means that a lot of my favorite characters in the franchise aren't in it.

I'd love to see what Hollywood could do with other video properties after having learned to make effort. Because if Hollywood could nail some of the more creative and nutty characters from that franchise that I've grown to love, that'd be something to see. While games based around fighting tournaments (see also: Mortal Kombat) are notoriously tricky to properly adapt into stand alone films, I'd really like to see more tv and movie adaptations of the series lore.

[HarryTrotter]

One of the consequences of Dragon Ball Evolution was James Marsters picking up the anime and getting really into it. So he probably jumped at th chance to be in Super.

[Silver Shocker]

One of the consequences of Dragon Ball Evolution was James Marsters picking up the anime and getting really into it. So he probably jumped at th chance to be in Super.

Sounds about right. I don't know if more intel became available in the few years since, but his casting as Zamazu had to be a thinly-veiled secret. He was credited under a pseudonym, which admittedly happens a LOT with anime due to a lot of the dubbing industry being non-union, and the fact that just about everyone not named Britney Karbowski wants to be at least a little discrete about dubbing some of the more risque titles. But it's also possible it was to preserve the surprise to make it a little more special. I mean, it's OBVIOUSLY him (he sounds almost identical to Marsters' Luthor). My brother opined on who was the best performance/voice role in Dragon Ball Super much earlier in the run, but I'd say  Marsters as Zamazu would be up there for sure.

That wasn't even the first amazing instance of stunt casting in the Super Dub either. That would be the casting of Copy Vegeta, who was voiced by the original voice actor for Vegeta, Brian Drummond. So we had Drummond's Vegeta versus Sabat's Vegeta, which was so cool.

[daglob]

Let's face it; you could can taking about bad, BAD, and BAD movies forever.

[Tomato]

I think your timeline might be off. Marsters was a fan of the series at least by post-production, because he was the one actively fighting to get Piccolo changed to green (he was flesh tone during filming, he was made green in post), and I remember him giving interviews in the lead-up to release and after where he was very enthusiastic about the material and was genuinely happy about getting to play Piccolo. I don't know if getting the role inspired him to read the manga, but by the end he was the one person involved I felt the worst for. So happy to see him get to play a proper role in Super. IIRC I actually pirated that one, since there was a big call to not give that movie any money.

That said, there was a time where I actually really liked Super Mario Brothers (even had some garbage fanart of my takes on Wario/Waluigi in the movie's style with actors from that era... It's been a long time, but I THINK my fan casting for Waluigi was Tim Curry)... but I was like, 12 or something. I've since rewatched it and... woof.

I've never seen Killer Tomatoes, but one of my friends will bring up watching it as a joke on occasion (they know my tag) and realized he could do it for real, which is why I think it made his list.

[Silver Shocker]

I think your timeline might be off. Marsters was a fan of the series at least by post-production, because he was the one actively fighting to get Piccolo changed to green (he was flesh tone during filming, he was made green in post), and I remember him giving interviews in the lead-up to release and after where he was very enthusiastic about the material and was genuinely happy about getting to play Piccolo. I don't know if getting the role inspired him to read the manga, but by the end he was the one person involved I felt the worst for. So happy to see him get to play a proper role in Super. IIRC I actually pirated that one, since there was a big call to not give that movie any money.

To quote Cell (my favorite DBZ villain, for the record) "An interesting story."

I can't say I object to not spending money on DBE. I sure wouldn't. Mind you, you'd have to directly pay me well to review it before I'd ever turn it on.

I do recall a minor controversy over King Piccolo's visual design.

That said, there was a time where I actually really liked Super Mario Brothers (even had some garbage fanart of my takes on Wario/Waluigi in the movie's style with actors from that era... It's been a long time, but I THINK my fan casting for Waluigi was Tim Curry)... but I was like, 12 or something. I've since rewatched it and... woof.

I never had anything about it I disliked as a kid, but as a kid I was pretty easy to please I suppose. Then again, I kinda knew to some degree Ninja Turtles 3 was the worst one, even if I didn't specifically know what or even think of it (one would think it would be the lack of franchise villains in it)
As a kid my entire family knew full Batman & Robin was going to be bad though, and the first time I watched it I understood why. Though I really enjoyed Batman Forever as a kid. And these days you can always say it's not Batman & Robin. (and hey, there you go, more legendarily bad movies). In the words of Linkara "with some saying DC movies have become too dark, is Batman & Robin really THAT bad? OH LORD YES. Just goes to show, there's more than one way something can suck." So true. Robot Chicken's one line dig at Batman Forever could have just as easily been aimed at Batman & Robin.

On the topic of live action Waluigi (see when I saw it he didn't exist), Funny you say that, because I couldn't help but notice that Jim Carrey's Dr. Robotnik/Eggman sure looks a lot like Wario.

I guess we're in thread derailing mode at this point, but I've never really gotten the whole Waluigi thing, but for some reason or another people really want him in Smash, and I am surprised and disappointed Nintendo hasn't done it. Of all the characters, 3 goshdarn season passes for Ultimate, and a gosh darn Piranha Plant, Bayonetta and who knows how many Fire Emblem characters, you still can't play as Geno, Fawful, Meowth, Groose (from Zelda: Skyward Sword, who was basically Flash Thompson with the character development), Girahim, Fii, Demise, Midna, anyone created for Hyrule Warriors, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Chun-Li or Eggman. The Sonic voice actors even recorded a skit for the official twitter mocking the lack of playable Eggman in Smash.

Mind you, I don't have any interest in casting a new live action Mario and Luigi. I wouldn't even know where to start. Plus we're supposed to be getting an animated film. Unfortunately it's being done by the minions people.
I think Lord and Miller (The Lego Movie, 21 Jump Street) would be ideally suite to an animated Mario movie.

[Tomato]

I've developed a certain... softness on Batman and Robin. It's not good, at all, but I watched a review talking about the Joel movies, and while I won't go out of my way to watch it, I don't actively hate it either. Basically the gist is that after Forever sold all the toys, WB told Joel to go all in on the camp... and he did. Compared to Forever, B&R is a film that's at least consistent in tone and direction. It's not a GOOD tone or direction, but it's at least not jumping between bad adult film, campy villainy, and serious introspection on a Batman who's ready to retire.

I have a bit to say on Smash, but I'll move that to another thread so this doesn't get derailed even more.

P.S. Regarding the SMB movie... I'll grant you minions is a fad that needs to die, be buried, and have an atomic bomb go off on top of, but Nintendo's been very on top of this one (they do NOT want another fiasco like the live action movie) and that studio has done good work on other films (the Grinch movie was a decent adaptation and even Despicable Me was pretty good).

[Silver Shocker]

I've developed a certain... softness on Batman and Robin. It's not good, at all, but I watched a review talking about the Joel movies, and while I won't go out of my way to watch it, I don't actively hate it either. Basically the gist is that after Forever sold all the toys, WB told Joel to go all in on the camp... and he did. Compared to Forever, B&R is a film that's at least consistent in tone and direction. It's not a GOOD tone or direction, but it's at least not jumping between bad adult film, campy villainy, and serious introspection on a Batman who's ready to retire.

Fair enough. However, Linkara also pointed out that the defense of B&R is that it's the Adam West Batman, but Linkara pointed out "The Adam West show is actually funny."
And, having finally seen the entire series on Canadian reruns in recent years, I can attest, that is in fact the case. And now I know that a lot of the bat-guano insane nonsensical creativity in Return of the Caped Crusaders (WHY DO YOU HAVE THESE THINGS?) was taken straight from the show (and the movie iteration of it, which I got to see on Netflix). The reason why it's funny is that, as Peter David pointed out, it's a straight up comedy that, due to Adam West's portrayal in particular, is doing a such a good job of elements of it being played straight and underplaying it (not counting the hammy villains of course  - the reason I and other fans online called Gotham "Got Ham") that kids like myself were completely fooled and thought it was a straight forward superhero show (Batman: Brave and the Bold, of course, kinda half does it, either going a bit too silly or plugging in elements from the newer comics - they did that back then too) So yeah, anyway, Batman and Robin wants you to know SO bad that it's a comedy that it's not really funny, it's kinda just annoying and stupid ("It's the hockey team from hell!" "Never leave the cave without it!") Compare to Lego Batman - Lego Batman IS a parody of the official product while also BEING the official product and a functioning and satisfyingly story, but it's actually funny! ("You made all those [villains] up!" "Nope, they're all real! Might be worth a Google!" and yes, I knew all but one of them) Plus they plugged in the Mister Freeze origin story in B&R but that was the only thing they did....it's a mess. It's not an offensive mess that makes you think less of DC and their movies and stop looking forward to them as much like nowadays, but it's still a mess. I've been thinking about DC and their (live action movies) a lot lately, and one of things I land on (in terms of villains) is Poison Ivy is...actually pretty good, all things considered. She's just in a really bad movie. Dialed down just enough, it's Poison Ivy for sure.

Oh NO! So anyway...

P.S. Regarding the SMB movie... I'll grant you minions is a fad that needs to die, be buried, and have an atomic bomb go off on top of, but Nintendo's been very on top of this one (they do NOT want another fiasco like the live action movie) and that studio has done good work on other films (the Grinch movie was a decent adaptation and even Despicable Me was pretty good).

I'm sure you're right, Schumaker's other movies (such as Phone Booth) are nothing like B&R and Martin Campell directed Goldeneye, Casino Royal AND Green Lantern. (and David Fincher "directed" Alien 3, but let's not go there) Grinch isn't too hard to figure out - that version, from what I heard, had the exact same problem it was ALWAYS going to have - it's too damn padded. Sometimes less is more guys. If you're just to make up stuff to add to the original stuff, it needs to feel organic and like it serves the story (those of us who watch long running anime know the difference between "bad filler" and "actually pretty good filler" and "actually pretty good filler that goes on a little too long".

Nintendo....it should be pretty easy to figure out, but I guess the studio system such makes it a bit harder. When it's a cartoon, well, they do that already, just as much as they could in Nintendo's Case (The Star Fox and Kid Icarus animated shorts are not really good, but are, like the Resident Evil CGI movies, functionally new material from the games without the gameplay) If it resembles Mario properly and is a fun movie that kids AND adults can enjoy (Pixar often being the go-to example, but also Lord and Miller's body of work of course and I have been told How to Train Your Dragon is quite good - you see where my blatantly biased priorities lie in terms of what I actually watch) then there you go.

If people could make Sonic Boom into a pretty decent CGI cartoon by just making it into an animated sitcom in the two shorts format and then plug in internet memes and meta humor for S2, an animated Mario movie really shouldn't be hard. There's no particular reason you can't make something at least as functional as the Mario cartoons I watched a kid. When you start out by making it fully animated (and not a live action movie where human characters and some environments are live action and very little else) you've gotten ride of the biggest barrier right of the gate.

For me, personally, my main concern might be them flooding the cast with celebrities with stunt cast actors doing the voices, but that can certainly work (Will Arnett), and filling the soundtrack with licensed songs (but then again the "Super Show" did that too...) But it might not be an issue. The Peanuts movie was just delightful, and people grumbled about the pop songs in that, so there you go.

[HarryTrotter]

Okay,the most unintentionally hilarious movie ever(or at least in the running)- Cyborg 2: Glass Shadow. A Blade Runner ripoff directed by the the dude who did Highlander 2 and Honey,I blew up the kids. So,then 17 y.o. Angelina Jolie(keep that in mind) is a cyborg with a bomb inside. She and her instructor (Elias Koteas) have to escape the corporation because love. While being pursued by cowboy Billy Drago and guided by the disembodied voice of Jack Palance. Btw,Billy Drago is the only one actually trying here,God bless him. At one point the scene keeps switching the main duo having sex and Jack Palance crying over a picture of his dead wife. 😂😂😂 It's the most wtf thing you will see in a while. Really,words don't do justice to this movie.
https://youtu.be/Tq2ZKlnYQzQ

If you were wondering,the first one was a MadMaxian dystopia about JCVD fighting some satanists,and has no connection to this one,whatsover.

[Silver Shocker]

I'd heard of Cyborg 2, but didn't really know much about it. It sounds like something similar to the Highlanders sequels, so no big surprise there. The original live action Casey Jones being in it is kinda cool.

[HarryTrotter]

Again,same director as Highlander 2. But this is at least entertaining.

Tbf,Elias had better roles. He was in basically everything.